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Pay attention to when he uses the word "we"...
"I think, on one hand, non-Muslims cannot stereotype, but I also think the Muslim community has to think about how we make sure that children are not being affected with this twisted notion that somehow they can kill innocent people."
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He did along time ago.
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He did along time ago.
Should Muslims be allowed to vote or hold office?
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Should Muslims be allowed to vote or hold office?
Depends. Like Christians you have Muslims that claim to be Muslim but don't practice it. I believe Obama is. He backs and supports radical Muslim terrorists. He is 100% absolutely part of the problem.
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Depends. Like Christians you have Muslims that claim to be Muslim but don't practice it. I believe Obama is. He backs and supports radical Muslim terrorists. He is 100% absolutely part of the problem.
so should practicing Muslims be allowed to vote or hold office?
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Depends. Like Christians you have Muslims that claim to be Muslim but don't practice it. I believe Obama is. He backs and supports radical Muslim terrorists. He is 100% absolutely part of the problem.
except for that silly little fact he doesn't even claim to be Muslim, or practice muslim religious ceremonies, or any number of other things muslims do or don't do.. but yeah, other than that, he is 100% Muslim.
Your tenacity in believing Obama Muslim in spite of the mountain of evidence to the contrary, really takes a sledgehammer to your credibility.
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Depends. Like Christians you have Muslims that claim to be Muslim but don't practice it. I believe Obama is. He backs and supports radical Muslim terrorists. He is 100% absolutely part of the problem.
You suffer from strange delusions.
Well not suffer, you apparently take pride in them.
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except for that silly little fact he doesn't even claim to be Muslim, or practice muslim religious ceremonies, or any number of other things muslims do or don't do.. but yeah, other than that, he is 100% Muslim.
Your tenacity in believing Obama Muslim in spite of the mountain of evidence to the contrary, really takes a sledgehammer to your credibility.
I don't know if obama is a Muslim nor do I care, but I am curious about the mountain of evidence to the contrary. What are you aware of that the rest of us have missed?
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I don't think he is(or thinks he is) but I believe he may have the tendencies because his father is. Just like someone who is exposed to Christianity as a child has no choice but to carry some of those beliefs.
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I don't know if obama is a Muslim nor do I care, but I am curious about the mountain of evidence to the contrary. What are you aware of that the rest of us have missed?
bahahaha
I don;t know nor do I care, but show me the evidence as i don't care.
pseudo intellectual alert, stupid people trying to sound smart.
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bahahaha
I don;t know nor do I care, but show me the evidence as i don't care.
pseudo intellectual alert, stupid people trying to sound smart.
So, you are saying you can't show this mountain of evidence either....yet you know it exist. Got it.
I stand by my previous statement. And since you seem to be aware of this mountain of evidence as well, why don't you enlighten me.
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I hope coach waits 3 days and starts a thread about this same topic with a one-line link and zero original commentary.
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I don't know if obama is a Muslim nor do I care, but I am curious about the mountain of evidence to the contrary. What are you aware of that the rest of us have missed?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/aug/26/18-percent-american-public/obama-muslim-no-hes-not-evidence-has-not-changed/
Our fact-checking also showed clear evidence that Obama is a Christian. According to the president's memoirs and independent biographies, Obama was not raised in any particular faith. He became a Christian when he was in his 20s while working as a community organizer in Chicago. Obama said the churches there impressed him with their commitment to social justice and the hope they gave to the poor.
"It was because of these newfound understandings that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ on 95th Street in the Southside of Chicago one day and affirm my Christian faith," Obama said in a 2006 speech. "It came about as a choice, and not an epiphany. I didn't fall out in church. The questions I had didn't magically disappear. But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side, I felt that I heard God's spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth."
"It's not easy to purge these afflictions, to achieve redemption," Obama said. "But as Christians, we believe that redemption can be delivered -- by faith in Jesus Christ. And the possibility of redemption can make straight the crookedness of a character; make whole the incompleteness of a soul. Redemption makes life, however fleeting here on Earth, resound with eternal hope."
He has attend a Christian church for years, he give money to that church and supports its causes. On the other hand, he does not pray to Allah facing Mecca everyday, doesn't belong to a mosque and doesn't support muslim causes
President Obama told Christianity Today in 2008, "I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian."
"Part of what we've been seeing during the course of this campaign is some scurrilous e-mails that have been sent out, denying my faith, talking about me being a Muslim, suggesting that I got sworn in at the U.S. Senate with a Qur'an in my hand or that I don't pledge allegiance to the flag," said Obama. "I think it's really important for your readers to know that I have been a member of the same church for almost 20 years, and I have never practiced Islam. I am respectful of the religion, but it's not my own."
But hey, if you want to believe he is Muslim in spite of what he says, does, etc.. I guess there is no way of convincing anyone otherwise. Personally, I don't care if he is or isn't I'm just a fan of whatever the truth is.
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So, you are saying you can't show this mountain of evidence either....yet you know it exist. Got it.
I stand by my previous statement. And since you seem to be aware of this mountain of evidence as well, why don't you enlighten me.
The burden is on you, there is no evidence at all that he is Muslim, zero.
Everything he says and does would support his assertions. He is sympathetic to Islam for sure, but I think that is coming from his faith. It's absurd to me, how it is different than scientology.
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/aug/26/18-percent-american-public/obama-muslim-no-hes-not-evidence-has-not-changed/
Our fact-checking also showed clear evidence that Obama is a Christian. According to the president's memoirs and independent biographies, Obama was not raised in any particular faith. He became a Christian when he was in his 20s while working as a community organizer in Chicago. Obama said the churches there impressed him with their commitment to social justice and the hope they gave to the poor.
"It was because of these newfound understandings that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ on 95th Street in the Southside of Chicago one day and affirm my Christian faith," Obama said in a 2006 speech. "It came about as a choice, and not an epiphany. I didn't fall out in church. The questions I had didn't magically disappear. But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side, I felt that I heard God's spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth."
"It's not easy to purge these afflictions, to achieve redemption," Obama said. "But as Christians, we believe that redemption can be delivered -- by faith in Jesus Christ. And the possibility of redemption can make straight the crookedness of a character; make whole the incompleteness of a soul. Redemption makes life, however fleeting here on Earth, resound with eternal hope."
He has attend a Christian church for years, he give money to that church and supports its causes. On the other hand, he does not pray to Allah facing Mecca everyday, doesn't belong to a mosque and doesn't support muslim causes
President Obama told Christianity Today in 2008, "I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian."
"Part of what we've been seeing during the course of this campaign is some scurrilous e-mails that have been sent out, denying my faith, talking about me being a Muslim, suggesting that I got sworn in at the U.S. Senate with a Qur'an in my hand or that I don't pledge allegiance to the flag," said Obama. "I think it's really important for your readers to know that I have been a member of the same church for almost 20 years, and I have never practiced Islam. I am respectful of the religion, but it's not my own."
But hey, if you want to believe he is Muslim in spite of what he says, does, etc.. I guess there is no way of convincing anyone otherwise. Personally, I don't care if he is or isn't I'm just a fan of whatever the truth is.
You didn't need to type all that to tell me you had no evidence when you claimed a mountain of evidence existed. You could have simply said "no, I don't have any evidence."
What you cited was opinion from obama's own book and his attendance in trinity united church.
His opinion doesn't represent fact and it certainly doesn't represent a mountain of evidence. Ben carson says a lot of things in his book and we are finding much of it is fiction.
As for trinity united church, you should do your research on reverend wright's history of religion. You might also like to mention his hate filled anti-American racist sermons. Then again, Obama lied about ever attending any of those sermons in his 20 year attendance, all while claiming wright to be a mentor figure. Wright himself said obama was a liar and only cared about political gain.
So your overwhelming evidence includes the biography of a man who sold his own mentor out for political gain and a reverend that identifies in ways with the Muslim culture.
What I really find funny about that is that when one of your police brotherhood commit some atrocity, you damn near require video evidence, a written notarized confession, and 15 witnesses.
So, obama, a known liar, you will take at his word even given his sympathy with Islam and his increasingly distant relationship with israel; but you require the entire scientific method be tested to incriminate a fellow cop.
Gee, your liberal bias doesn't show at all.
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The burden is on you, there is no evidence at all that he is Muslim, zero.
Everything he says and does would support his assertions. He is sympathetic to Islam for sure, but I think that is coming from his faith. It's absurd to me, how it is different than scientology.
See my above post. There is nothing that he says or does that support his assertions. He does whatever it takes for political/personal gain just like every other politician. And he is not just sympathetic to islam, he is negligent to jews.
Now, as for the question do I think he is a muslim. No, I do not but I wouldn't be shocked if news came out that he was. My argument is with the people that are so confident he isn't and insist a pile of evidence exist.
I think he is a shitty president and I don't care if he is a Muslim. Even if he was a muslim, I still think he is qualified to be President. Being bad at one's job or being muslim didn't stop the majority of people for voting for him, and that's good enough for me.
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Such a stupid topic.
It's against all religions to claim to be a religion other than the one you are in because if you are Christian and you deny you are christian, then you are denying your faith and in fact, not a christian at all.
Being Muslim is the same.
If you are a Muslim, yet claim you are not, then you are in fact going against a tenant of the religion and are then, NOT of that religion.
In religion, you are what you claim to be... That's how it works.
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Such a stupid topic.
It's against all religions to claim to be a religion other than the one you are in because if you are Christian and you deny you are christian, then you are denying your faith and in fact, not a christian at all.
Being Muslim is the same.
If you are a Muslim, yet claim you are not, then you are in fact going against a tenant of the religion and are then, NOT of that religion.
In religion, you are what you claim to be... That's how it works.
Wrong, that is how it should work. We have fakes and liars that hide behind religion all the time. A rare few people.in every church legitimately practice their religion in a pure fashion. You are more intelligent than that. Don't type such a naive response
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Wrong, that is how it should work. We have fakes and liars that hide behind religion all the time. A rare few people.in every church legitimately practice their religion in a pure fashion. You are more intelligent than that. Don't type such a naive response
What religion says it's ok to deny it?
Every religion says that if you deny the religion, you are not of the religion because you are denying it.
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What religion says it's ok to deny it?
Every religion says that if you deny the religion, you are not of the religion because you are denying it.
Men often behave differently than their theology dictates. We just had a muslim terrorist identified in gay bars and on porn sites.
Obama attended a church for 20 years and then lied and threw his pastor under the bus. The pastor that he claimed to be his mentor.
In their own perverted way, plenty of people defy their religion all the time while still think they are practicing it in their mind. If you live in a place where this doesn't happen, please let me know. While you are at it, can you draw me a map on how to reach never land?
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Men often behave differently than their theology dictates. We just had a muslim terrorist identified in gay bars and on porn sites.
Obama attended a church for 20 years and then lied and threw his pastor under the bus. The pastor that he claimed to be his mentor.
In their own perverted way, plenty of people defy their religion all the time while still think they are practicing it in their mind. If you live in a place where this doesn't happen, please let me know. While you are at it, can you draw me a map on how to reach never land?
If someone denies their religion, then their own religion dictates that they will not get to whatever afterlife they believe they are getting to.
It is completely self defeatist from a theological standpoint.
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If someone denies their religion, then their own religion dictates that they will not get to whatever afterlife they believe they are getting to.
It is completely self defeatist from a theological standpoint.
Ah got it. So you are saying that Obama isn't a muslim per his theology even if he thinks he is a muslim. That is a rather weak argument, but sure I'll buy it.
It still doesn't determine if he thinks he is a muslim
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Ah got it. So you are saying that Obama isn't a muslim per his theology even if he thinks he is a muslim. That is a rather weak argument, but sure I'll buy it.
It still doesn't determine if he thinks he is a muslim
No, it doesn't determine if one thinks they are whatever, but typically, you are what you say you are, or you are not what you are hiding... at least in religion.
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No, it doesn't determine if one thinks they are whatever, but typically, you are what you say you are, or you are not what you are hiding... at least in religion.
I often meet people that aren't what they say they are. Would you agree that someone that attended a church for 20 years and claimed the preacher to be like a father figure, only to throw him under the bus when his sermons become public is an honest person?
Would you speculate that this is the type person that might not practice his chosen theology in the manner deemed by its scripture?
I certainly have a problem with a person that claims religion to hold such an influence on his life for 20 years, yet will abandon it the moment inflammatory sermons are produced. I also find this is the type of individual that would merit the label wolf-in-sheeps-clothing.
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Depends. Like Christians you have Muslims that claim to be Muslim but don't practice it. I believe Obama is. He backs and supports radical Muslim terrorists. He is 100% absolutely part of the problem.
Oh god, lol
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I often meet people that aren't what they say they are. Would you agree that someone that attended a church for 20 years and claimed the preacher to be like a father figure, only to throw him under the bus when his sermons become public is an honest person?
Would you speculate that this is the type person that might not practice his chosen theology in the manner deemed by its scripture?
I certainly have a problem with a person that claims religion to hold such an influence on his life for 20 years, yet will abandon it the moment inflammatory sermons are produced. I also find this is the type of individual that would merit the label wolf-in-sheeps-clothing.
That's possible. If so, then certainly he has no chance to meet his deity and his afterlife will not be what he thinks it will be.
So I will grant you that there is certainly something to be said for that.
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Depends. Like Christians you have Muslims that claim to be Muslim but don't practice it. I believe Obama is. He backs and supports radical Muslim terrorists. He is 100% absolutely part of the problem.
you do a lot of claiming to know what people "really" want.
you claim obama isn't really a christian. you claim i don't really support cruz.
what if people just made up things about you?
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Wrong, that is how it should work. We have fakes and liars that hide behind religion all the time. A rare few people.in every church legitimately practice their religion in a pure fashion. You are more intelligent than that. Don't type such a naive response
Oh so its a hidden variable you can't really accurately account for and that is more important then every measurable and objective thing we have regarding his faith?
Are you sure you aren't biased as you are making no sense, usually when people don't make sense they are wrong.
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Oh so its a hidden variable you can't really accurately account for and that is more important then every measurable and objective thing we have regarding his faith?
Are you sure you aren't biased as you are making no sense, usually when people don't make sense they are wrong.
Stop using the terms measurable/variable to try and sound like this is a scientific process. Who's the psuedo intellect now? The scientific method doesnt apply here, and other than he himself announcing that he is a christian, we have zero measurable values in regards to his faith.
In fact, the only thing I really know about his religion, unless you have something to contribute, is that he abandoned his preacher of 20 years once his inflammatory sermons became open to the public. I don't expect you to do research because I've already mentioned this and you seemed to ignore it or failed to comprehend it. This is the same preacher that has demonstrated sympathy with muslims and even compared his values to them.
As previously stated, I don't care if he is a muslim...but since you have measurable evidence, can you enlighten me?
And your inability to comprehend what I post in a sequential fashion isn't my problem. People that often claim stuff doesn't make sense lack the means to understand. I'm not going to dumb my posts down just for you, cupcake.
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Logic applies here, there is literally no evidence he is a muslim and mountains of quotes, life circumstances and anecdotal reports all indicate he is a christian.
If you can;t accurately assess something you cannot include it in the calculation, that's absurd. You have no way of telling if he is a hidden nazi, jew hater or otherwise
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Logic applies here, there is literally no evidence he is a muslim and mountains of quotes, life circumstances and anecdotal reports all indicate he is a christian.
If you can;t accurately assess something you cannot include it in the calculation, that's absurd. You have no way of telling if he is a hidden nazi, jew hater or otherwise
He abandoned his church after 20 years once sermons became known to the public. In doing so he abandoned his father figure In jeremiah wright. I am going to say that makes for his faith being questionable, seeing as he gave up on it so easily and denied knowledge of the inflammatory sermons.
I'm sorry that you consider quotes as evidence that can be calculated In quantifiable fashion, let alone quotes from a proven liar that abandoned his church of 20 years when their teachings became known to the public.
I can't speculate as to life circumstances or anecdotal evidence, nor can you. You are mostly just talking out of your ass as it seems to be the orifice you perform your calculations. Oh brother, calculations from mountins of quotes. How did you actually type that?
One could reason that he has been sympathetic to Muslims and less than receptive to Israel. I never said any of this made him a nazi or jew hater. Those are your words intended to derail the conversation.
I said I haven't seen this overwhelming evidence that he is Christian and that it is absurd to wonder if he is muslim.
But I stand corrected, as you provided no evidence other than to suggest a mountain of quotes from a known liar. If quotes are good enough for you to extrapolate your data to the 99th percentile, than I guess it should he good enough for all of us
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Logic applies here, there is literally no evidence he is a muslim and mountains of quotes, life circumstances and anecdotal reports all indicate he is a christian.
If you can;t accurately assess something you cannot include it in the calculation, that's absurd. You have no way of telling if he is a hidden nazi, jew hater or otherwise
lol. You are a master of the overstatement. He is asking you for proof. You have provided none. Have you watched clips of him sounding like an Islamic sympathizer? Have you seen the clip of him mistakenly referring to his "Muslim faith"? Those instances are as credible as his own self-serving quotes and the "anecdotal reports" of him being a Christian.
I'm not saying he is Muslim, just that you are doing your typical trolling. You clearly haven't read up on this issue.
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If he says he is a Christian, then he is a Christian. Who are you to judge? That seems very un-Christian-y. What did Jesus say about judging others?
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If he says he is a Christian, then he is a Christian. Who are you to judge? That seems very un-Christian-y. What did Jesus say about judging others?
How do you define judging?
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If he says he is a Christian, then he is a Christian. Who are you to judge? That seems very un-Christian-y. What did Jesus say about judging others?
Wrong. He is a proven liar. More so, he is a proven liar about his own church. Your contribution was weak and the argument of a 6 year old as usual.
You lie all the time, so you know better than many that people say things they don't mean all the time. How many televangelist do we have exploiting religion on TV every Sunday?
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lol. You are a master of the overstatement. He is asking you for proof. You have provided none. Have you watched clips of him sounding like an Islamic sympathizer? Have you seen the clip of him mistakenly referring to his "Muslim faith"? Those instances are as credible as his own self-serving quotes and the "anecdotal reports" of him being a Christian.
I'm not saying he is Muslim, just that you are doing your typical trolling. You clearly haven't read up on this issue.
I have read up on the issue, it's just more birther nonsense, he does none of the practices one would do as a muslim,are you out to lunch? never mind. You are not that bright, face it. He does not pray five times daily, to allah, as muslims must, no zakat, no fasting for ramadan, eats pork, no pilgrimage, should I keep going or are you done?
So he does nothing related to Islam, which would be quite fucking evidence during you know the fasts etc. He and those around him call him a christian, he attends christian churches. So you want to use fucking syntactical errors as evidence he is a muslim, despite evidence suggesting he isn't, mountains of it.
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I have read up on the issue, it's just more birther nonsense, he does none of the practices one would do as a muslim,are you out to lunch? never mind. You are not that bright, face it. He does not pray five times daily, to allah, as muslims must, no zakat, no fasting for ramadan, eats pork, no pilgrimage, should I keep going or are you done?
So he does nothing related to Islam, which would be quite fucking evidence during you know the fasts etc. He and those around him call him a christian, he attends christian churches. So you want to use fucking syntactical errors as evidence he is a muslim, despite evidence suggesting he isn't, mountains of it.
I'm glad you take what he and his friends say as the truth etched in stone. I can't imagine one reason he or one of his companions would lie......again.
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I have read up on the issue, it's just more birther nonsense, he does none of the practices one would do as a muslim,are you out to lunch? never mind. You are not that bright, face it. He does not pray five times daily, to allah, as muslims must, no zakat, no fasting for ramadan, eats pork, no pilgrimage, should I keep going or are you done?
So he does nothing related to Islam, which would be quite fucking evidence during you know the fasts etc. He and those around him call him a christian, he attends christian churches. So you want to use fucking syntactical errors as evidence he is a muslim, despite evidence suggesting he isn't, mountains of it.
Listen you pseudo-intellectual, you have provided nothing. Zero. You apparently aren't sharp enough to see how often you make gross overstatements.
Take the same comments you just made about Muslim practices and apply them to Obama's Christianity: he doesn't go to church, he likely doesn't read the Bible, he takes positions that are contrary to Christian teachings, he makes many anti-Christian statements, etc. Should I continue? ::)
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He abandoned his church after 20 years once sermons became known to the public. In doing so he abandoned his father figure In jeremiah wright. I am going to say that makes for his faith being questionable, seeing as he gave up on it so easily and denied knowledge of the inflammatory sermons.
I'm sorry that you consider quotes as evidence that can be calculated In quantifiable fashion, let alone quotes from a proven liar that abandoned his church of 20 years when their teachings became known to the public.
I can't speculate as to life circumstances or anecdotal evidence, nor can you. You are mostly just talking out of your ass as it seems to be the orifice you perform your calculations. Oh brother, calculations from mountins of quotes. How did you actually type that?
One could reason that he has been sympathetic to Muslims and less than receptive to Israel. I never said any of this made him a nazi or jew hater. Those are your words intended to derail the conversation.
I said I haven't seen this overwhelming evidence that he is Christian and that it is absurd to wonder if he is muslim.
But I stand corrected, as you provided no evidence other than to suggest a mountain of quotes from a known liar. If quotes are good enough for you to extrapolate your data to the 99th percentile, than I guess it should he good enough for all of us
You sure you weren't on the OJ Simpson Jury? You disregard everything that points to him being Christian.. at the minimum, not muslim, yet you are still on the fence about whether he is muslim or not because he might just be pretending..... sad.. just sad
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Listen you pseudo-intellectual,
Cut out the name calling. Just stick with the issues and debate.
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Cut out the name calling. Just stick with the issues and debate.
Shut the heck up you dishonest troll.
I have read up on the issue, it's just more birther nonsense, he does none of the practices one would do as a muslim,are you out to lunch? never mind. You are not that bright, face it.
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I'm glad you take what he and his friends say as the truth etched in stone. I can't imagine one reason he or one of his companions would lie......again.
I am aware they could lie but you are not making sense. Who do we believe then? how do we determine the truth, apparently no evidence is good enough.
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Listen you pseudo-intellectual, you have provided nothing. Zero. You apparently aren't sharp enough to see how often you make gross overstatements.
Take the same comments you just made about Muslim practices and apply them to Obama's Christianity: he doesn't go to church, he likely doesn't read the Bible, he takes positions that are contrary to Christian teachings, he makes many anti-Christian statements, etc. Should I continue? ::)
You are being owned again, why do you insist on doing this with me? how's that deadly ebola going? what about your doctored planned parenthood videos?
shut the BORDERS DOWN!!!!
Wait:
I will slow down for you.
Everyone who knows him says he is a christian, he says he is a christian, he said it long before he was president.
He performs zero of the muslim rituals, you don't find this odd? no one around him claims he is a muslim, so no you cannot just reverse statements. Who is
claiming he is a muslim, idiots on the internet? you would think someone would have leaked the info from his inner circle (as if it fucking matters you hillbilly), or someone who KNOWS him would corroborate your story. I know logic is difficult for you. He has never claimed to be a muslim, he HAS claimed to be a christian, yet you want to assume the former? seriously go read a book or take a online class in critical thinking.
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Although nearly three in 10 say they think Obama is a Muslim, a plurality of Americans say he is a Christian. Among all adults, 39% say they believe Obama is a Protestant or other Christian, 4% think he's Catholic, 2% Mormon, 1% Jewish and 1% something else. Another 11% say he's not religious, and 14% that they just don't know. There's a wide education gap here, with most college grads believing Obama is a Protestant (63%) compared with just 28% of those who do not have college degrees.
The partisan divide is nearly as large, with 61% of Democrats saying Obama is a Protestant, vs. 32% of independents and 28% of Republicans. But the 43% of Republicans and 54% of Trump supporters who say they believe Obama is a Muslim is a smaller share than in other recent polling which asked only whether Obama is a Christian or a Muslim.
Yep, time to start shopping another country... this one is getting way too stupid
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You are being owned again, why do you insist on doing this with me? how's that deadly ebola going? what about your doctored planned parenthood videos?
shut the BORDERS DOWN!!!!
Wait:
I will slow down for you.
Everyone who knows him says he is a christian, he says he is a christian, he said it long before he was president.
He performs zero of the muslim rituals, you don't find this odd? no one around him claims he is a muslim, so no you cannot just reverse statements. Who is
claiming he is a muslim, idiots on the internet? you would think someone would have leaked the info from his inner circle (as if it fucking matters you hillbilly), or someone who KNOWS him would corroborate your story. I know logic is difficult for you. He has never claimed to be a muslim, he HAS claimed to be a christian, yet you want to assume the former? seriously go read a book or take a online class in critical thinking.
LOL! One of the getbig legends in his own mind. Some of you people are really funny. :)
You are the same person who said people with a high IQ don't ever lie. Just we know how sophisticated you are.
I'm not arguing that Obama is Muslim. I'm saying your categorical statement that there is a mountain of evidence to the contrary is stupid.
But you have to be able to understand subtleties, nuances, logic, etc. Might be a challenge for you. But you hang in there champ. :)
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LOL! One of the getbig legends in his own mind. Some of you people are really funny. :)
You are the same person who said people with a high IQ don't ever lie. Just we know how sophisticated you are.
I'm not arguing that Obama is Muslim. I'm saying your categorical statement that there is a mountain of evidence to the contrary is stupid.
But you have to be able to understand subtleties, nuances, logic, etc. Might be a challenge for you. But you hang in there champ. :)
I suppose the fact he
Attended a Christian church for 20 years
Says over and over he is a Christian
Refers to Jesus as necessary for Redemption
Doesn't pray to mecca 5 times a day
eats and drinks during Rhamadan
Gave the green light for killing Bin Laden
Could mean he is Muslim I suppose...... Holy friggin crap people... use some common sense
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I suppose the fact he
Attended a Christian church for 20 years
Says over and over he is a Christian
Refers to Jesus as necessary for Redemption
Doesn't pray to mecca 5 times a day
eats and drinks during Rhamadan
Gave the green light for killing Bin Laden
Could mean he is Muslim I suppose...... Holy friggin crap people... use some common sense
Or the fact he:
Doesn't attend church at all
Doesn't talk like a Christian
Doesn't act like a Christian
Takes positions that directly contradict the Christian faith
Could mean he's a Christian.
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Or the fact he:
Doesn't attend church at all
Doesn't talk like a Christian
Doesn't act like a Christian
Takes positions that directly contradict the Christian faith
Could mean he's a Christian.
absolutely.. perfect American christian
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absolutely.. perfect American christian
lol. Well played. ;D
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LOL! One of the getbig legends in his own mind. Some of you people are really funny. :)
You are the same person who said people with a high IQ don't ever lie. Just we know how sophisticated you are.
I'm not arguing that Obama is Muslim. I'm saying your categorical statement that there is a mountain of evidence to the contrary is stupid.
But you have to be able to understand subtleties, nuances, logic, etc. Might be a challenge for you. But you hang in there champ. :)
There is no evidence he is a muslim and all the points I have made and others regarding his faith, you can ignore them if you like, it's common sense. He might be a hindu, why a muslim? why would he need to hide it? why are you so racist?
You can misconstrue my points and troll if you want, there are zero subtleties, he has been quite vocal about the exact opposite, why do you insist on seeing something that there is no evidence for? why do you not accept his consistent position?
He could be a nazi, you have to notice subtleties, nuances and logic etc, ignore that he says he is a christian, those around he profess as much, he attends a church and has stated this position for 20 years, he is a nazi. Now, he doesn't heil hitler, nor wear a swastika or seem overly concerned with the principles laid out in mein kampf, but is clearly a nazi you just have to want it bad enough.
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I suppose the fact he
Attended a Christian church for 20 years
Says over and over he is a Christian
Refers to Jesus as necessary for Redemption
Doesn't pray to mecca 5 times a day
eats and drinks during Rhamadan
Gave the green light for killing Bin Laden
Could mean he is Muslim I suppose...... Holy friggin crap people... use some common sense
You need to read the comments I directed at you on the fist page and stop mentioning the fact that he attended that church for 20 years. I can't imagine myself attending a church for 20 years and then bailing on the church as soon as the preacher's radical sermons hit the media. He then lied and said he never witnessed any of the sermons of that nature.
In his entire 20 years, that you like to keep bringinger up, he never attended 1 of those radical sermons. It seems far fetched. It seems even more far fetched when the preacher says obama knew damn well what he was preaching the entire time. That very preacher looks to.warm up to the likes of farrakahan and has toyed with being a Muslim in the past.
I understand you aren't very smart and you don't like to do research, but in the future when you cite something as evidence, like attending trinity church for 20 years validates him as a christian; you might want to actually look into what you are citing.
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There is no evidence he is a muslim and all the points I have made and others regarding his faith, you can ignore them if you like, it's common sense. He might be a hindu, why a muslim? why would he need to hide it? why are you so racist?
You can misconstrue my points and troll if you want, there are zero subtleties, he has been quite vocal about the exact opposite, why do you insist on seeing something that there is no evidence for? why do you not accept his consistent position?
He could be a nazi, you have to notice subtleties, nuances and logic etc, ignore that he says he is a christian, those around he profess as much, he attends a church and has stated this position for 20 years, he is a nazi. Now, he doesn't heil hitler, nor wear a swastika or seem overly concerned with the principles laid out in mein kampf, but is clearly a nazi you just have to want it bad enough.
You have made zero points regarding his faith. You just keep saying you have quotes and a mountain of evidence.
In typical liberal fashion, you play the race card.
There may be no evidence that he is a muslim but there sure as hell is reasonable suspicion that he isn't a christian. He hasn't done anything to behave like one.
Couple that suspicion with his sympathy for muslims and negligence towards israel; and some of us like to cite that as a reason to be curious.
If you want to be liberal, that is fine. You calling someone a racist when they make you look stupid certainly demonstrates that you are. But some of us aren't gonna agree with you and ask for proof when you keep carrying on about mountains of evidence.
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You have made zero points regarding his faith. You just keep saying you have quotes and a mountain of evidence.
In typical liberal fashion, you play the race card.
There may be no evidence that he is a muslim but there sure as hell is reasonable suspicion that he isn't a christian. He hasn't done anything to behave like one.
Couple that suspicion with his sympathy for muslims and negligence towards israel; and some of us like to cite that as a reason to be curious.
If you want to be liberal, that is fine. You calling someone a racist when they make you look stupid certainly demonstrates that you are. But some of us aren't gonna agree with you and ask for proof when you keep carrying on about mountains of evidence.
What race card, it;s a religion dum dum :D, my whole point is everything you can find regarding Obama and his faith, EVERY SINGLE THING, shows he is a
christian, add to that the clear lack of islamic ritual and only a true moron would believe otherwise.
There is as much evidence pointing to bush being a muslim as obama, you can apply your same faulty logic based on hidden esoteric non-observable facts.
So, his sympathy for Muslims is evidenced by negligence towards israel, in your mind there is no other good or possible reason(s) for this? If what you were saying was true you could simply look at his interaction with other Islamic factions/states to verify this. If you are claiming this is an overt sign of his faith, then surely him bombing ISIS, killing bin laden and many other acts rebut this? if not, you are no longer using logic but your emotions, which I will continue to point out. This is actually where science could be helpful, you have a hypothesis, obama is a muslim, your evidence is his treatment of israel, which you think is shitty. That is a fact (disputable), a theory needs to explain it and other facts to confirm your suspicions, your theory is he is a muslim, thus his treatment is a direct reflection of this.
If your theory fails to explain things, predict things, it's likely wrong. If he was a muslim, he would most likely perform some ritual (ramadan is highly adhered to), 5 times praying on his knees etc, he does none of this. His legislation is in direct contradiction to Islam, ie he pushed for same sex marriage, posed on the cover of a homosexual magazine etc. blow number one, as if you really needed to dissect your stupidity.
He bombs and kills other muslims, which indicates you are again wrong and that your highly detailed investigation into US/israel relations is incorrect (most likely). It's a highly complex situation, only stupid people would attempt to boil it down into one highly spurious variable, such as Obama's faith.
Why would he hide as a muslim? I have never met a muslim who was sheepish on their faith, you are of the ilk that thinks islam is violent and conquest oriented, yet this man is a sleeper muslim born in Kenya, he is the president, why hide it now? lol, wasn't this the goal? everyone is decimating ISIS right now, main leaders killed, tankers blown up, massive increases in drone strikes, it's the exact fucking opposite of what your theory would predict.
Science is really just measurement and critical thinking.
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What race card, it;s a religion dum dum :D, my whole point is everything you can find regarding Obama and his faith, EVERY SINGLE THING, shows he is a
christian, add to that the clear lack of islamic ritual and only a true moron would believe otherwise.
There is as much evidence pointing to bush being a muslim as obama, you can apply your same faulty logic based on hidden esoteric non-observable facts.
So, his sympathy for Muslims is evidenced by negligence towards israel, in your mind there is no other good or possible reason(s) for this? If what you were saying was true you could simply look at his interaction with other Islamic factions/states to verify this. If you are claiming this is an overt sign of his faith, then surely him bombing ISIS, killing bin laden and many other acts rebut this? if not, you are no longer using logic but your emotions, which I will continue to point out. This is actually where science could be helpful, you have a hypothesis, obama is a muslim, your evidence is his treatment of israel, which you think is shitty. That is a fact (disputable), a theory needs to explain it and other facts to confirm your suspicions, your theory is he is a muslim, thus his treatment is a direct reflection of this.
If your theory fails to explain things, predict things, it's likely wrong. If he was a muslim, he would most likely perform some ritual (ramadan is highly adhered to), 5 times praying on his knees etc, he does none of this. His legislation is in direct contradiction to Islam, ie he pushed for same sex marriage, posed on the cover of a homosexual magazine etc. blow number one, as if you really needed to dissect your stupidity.
He bombs and kills other muslims, which indicates you are again wrong and that your highly detailed investigation into US/israel relations is incorrect (most likely). It's a highly complex situation, only stupid people would attempt to boil it down into one highly spurious variable, such as Obama's faith.
Why would he hide as a muslim? I have never met a muslim who was sheepish on their faith, you are of the ilk that thinks islam is violent and conquest oriented, yet this man is a sleeper muslim born in Kenya, he is the president, why hide it now? lol, wasn't this the goal? everyone is decimating ISIS right now, main leaders killed, tankers blown up, massive increases in drone strikes, it's the exact fucking opposite of what your theory would predict.
Science is really just measurement and critical thinking.
You asked Dos Equis if he is a racist. It was just yesterday, so I don't know how you can forget. Then again, you keep ignoring the fact that he dropped out of his church which directly challenges your assertion that he is devout to his faith as a christian, so you may have forgotten it.
Your supporting evidence of his christianity, if we are to call it that, is him/other saying he is a christian. Your supporting evidence of him not being a muslim is he and others saying he isnt, and basically the idea that no one has claimed to seeing him on a prayer rug.
Other people's opinions are not evidence, dumbass. I think you just are a world class idiot. That isn't a fact, that is my opinion. It is a fact that he abandoned his preacher and church of 20 years as soon as the sermons were made public. I will take that as evidence of his weak faith versus opinions of others.
If you need me to piece together for you why he would have muslims bombed (assuming he is a muslim), you need to stop worrying with your science reasoning and focus on normal common sense. He has certain minimal obligations as a president, and as such he couldn't just completely ignore muslim misconduct if he was one. He still would have to act presidential.
Nothing you have done falls in the category of critical thinking and that is hardly all science is. Stop trying to play a scientist and commence being the village idiot. You are biased and omit facts such as him leaving the church. You try to quantify opinions as measurable. That makes you look stupid and is a disservice to scientists everywhere.
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You asked Dos Equis if he is a racist. It was just yesterday, so I don't know how you can forget. Then again, you keep ignoring the fact that he dropped out of his church which directly challenges your assertion that he is devout to his faith as a christian, so you may have forgotten it.
Your supporting evidence of his christianity, if we are to call it that, is him/other saying he is a christian. Your supporting evidence of him not being a muslim is he and others saying he isnt, and basically the idea that no one has claimed to seeing him on a prayer rug.
Other people's opinions are not evidence, dumbass. I think you just are a world class idiot. That isn't a fact, that is my opinion. It is a fact that he abandoned his preacher and church of 20 years as soon as the sermons were made public. I will take that as evidence of his weak faith versus opinions of others.
If you need me to piece together for you why he would have muslims bombed (assuming he is a muslim), you need to stop worrying with your science reasoning and focus on normal common sense. He has certain minimal obligations as a president, and as such he couldn't just completely ignore muslim misconduct if he was one. He still would have to act presidential.
Nothing you have done falls in the category of critical thinking and that is hardly all science is. Stop trying to play a scientist and commence being the village idiot. You are biased and omit facts such as him leaving the church. You try to quantify opinions as measurable. That makes you look stupid and is a disservice to scientists everywhere.
Completely agree. Well said.
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You asked Dos Equis if he is a racist. It was just yesterday, so I don't know how you can forget. Then again, you keep ignoring the fact that he dropped out of his church which directly challenges your assertion that he is devout to his faith as a christian, so you may have forgotten it.
I assumed by tard emoticon would hint at my troll, i was joking, it would be ironic as I was the one who initially made the claim, calm down nancy.
Your supporting evidence of his christianity, if we are to call it that, is him/other saying he is a christian. Your supporting evidence of him not being a muslim is he and others saying he isnt, and basically the idea that no one has claimed to seeing him on a prayer rug.
Completely mis representing the evidence, he attnends a christian church for 20 years, he does not attend a mosque, synagogue etc you might as well claim he is a scientologist. He has never mentioned being a muslim, doesn't fast for weeks on end at sundown, no five prayers a day, refers to GOD as god, not ALLAH, little things like this make all the difference.
Other people's opinions are not evidence, dumbass. I think you just are a world class idiot. That isn't a fact, that is my opinion. It is a fact that he abandoned his preacher and church of 20 years as soon as the sermons were made public. I will take that as evidence of his weak faith versus opinions of others.
Of course they are, have you not heard of expert testimony, if you would like to stop being ass raped you can PM to save face. It can also be an opinion and fact, once verified. It is also not someone's opinion if Obama attends a christian church, he is there or not, it's not a fucking opinion, it;s a fact.
If you need me to piece together for you why he would have muslims bombed (assuming he is a muslim), you need to stop worrying with your science reasoning and focus on normal common sense. He has certain minimal obligations as a president, and as such he couldn't just completely ignore muslim
misconduct if he was one. He still would have to act presidential.
I do need you to piece together seemingly contrary facts. You can't say he is a vegetarian while he eats meat. My science reasoning is simply, reasoning, science hopes to objectify as much as possible, you know, in order to determine validity. You on one hand claim he has certain presidential obligations, as excuse for his poor treatment of ISIS (a islamic sect), meanwhlie his poor treatment of israel is because he is a muslim, forget presidential obligations, that doesn't suit you here.Do you understand the term self-contradictory? do you need me to slow down?
Nothing you have done falls in the category of critical thinking and that is hardly all science is. Stop trying to play a scientist and commence being the village idiot. You are biased and omit facts such as him leaving the church. You try to quantify opinions as measurable. That makes you look stupid and is a disservice to scientists everywhere.
Are we done here? I omit no facts and could care less, I just find it funny destroying morons who can't even form a cogent thought without contradicting themselves. I am not a scientist, but I apologize to "scientists" everywhere for trying to calm a raging tart with facts.
Alright, we are done now. Carry on.
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Completely agree. Well said.
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Alright, we are done now. Carry on.
You didn't provide an emoticon when you initially accused Dos Equis of being a racist. You only provided an emoticon in response to me calling you out on it. Some of us call that back peddling. It is a sad day when your meltdown and denial don't evend allow you to read your original post. Chronological order is a hard beast to master....
You keep digging your ditch of stupidity deeper and deeper.
I don't care if he attended a christian church. He lost all credibility there when he abandoned the same church in the manner he did. This is what, the 3rd time you've tried dodging that? Secondly, I never insisted he was muslim. You on the otherhand insisted he was a christian. I think the proof supports the case for him not being a christian.
I don't even know where to start with your take on expert testimony. It is an expert witness's precision, history, education, and formal training that makes his opinion worthwhile. I was unaware that you had an expert christian on hand that was vouching for obama's devout faith. Can you link the testimony of this expert Christian?
Is your lack of comprehension of what constitutes an expert witness what you consider an ass raping? I think you got the roles reversed.
Once again, you've relied on no science reasoning. At this point, im thinking you have no clue what the scientific method is. You suggested you couldn't fathom why he would bomb muslims if he was one. In response, I provided you an example because you are too absent minded to consider one. You once again didn't comprehend that and seemed to think I stated it was fact
I don't need it to be fact. I need enough evidence for doubt and he provides that.
Yeah, I think we are done. I keep.making you look like an illiterate dumbass everytime I correct you. And in turn, you've gone full andre mode. Rather than make sense, you babble about destruction and ass rape.
You have not provided one single fact, nor have you refuted the fact that obama.sold out his 20 year christian roots to appeal to his voter base. That is a fact
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You need to read the comments I directed at you on the fist page and stop mentioning the fact that he attended that church for 20 years. I can't imagine myself attending a church for 20 years and then bailing on the church as soon as the preacher's radical sermons hit the media. He then lied and said he never witnessed any of the sermons of that nature.
In his entire 20 years, that you like to keep bringinger up, he never attended 1 of those radical sermons. It seems far fetched. It seems even more far fetched when the preacher says obama knew damn well what he was preaching the entire time. That very preacher looks to.warm up to the likes of farrakahan and has toyed with being a Muslim in the past.
I understand you aren't very smart and you don't like to do research, but in the future when you cite something as evidence, like attending trinity church for 20 years validates him as a christian; you might want to actually look into what you are citing.
Just two questions..1. are you a troll 2. are you really this stupid?
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Just two questions..1. are you a troll 2. are you really this stupid?
Nice rebuttle. I'll answer them in order.
1. No I'm not a troll.
2. I'm not certain how stupid I am. I am certain that im smart enough not to keep citing a church that Obama sold put as proof of his christianity. The way I see it, that gives me a leg up on you.
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Nice rebuttle. I'll answer them in order.
1. No I'm not a troll.
2. I'm not certain how stupid I am. I am certain that im smart enough not to keep citing a church that Obama sold put as proof of his christianity. The way I see it, that gives me a leg up on you.
Does the nurse spoon feed you or do you just drink your meals through a straw?
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Look, I know when you post stuff you look at it and go "Holy shit that was good!" The teachers spend a lot of time building up your confidence and I am not about to destroy what they worked so hard to build. You are doing a great job.. keep it up!
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Look, I know when you post stuff you look at it and go "Holy shit that was good!" The teachers spend a lot of time building up your confidence and I am not about to destroy what they worked so hard to build. You are doing a great job.. keep it up!
Wow. I think this is where I post a meltdown pic
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You didn't provide an emoticon when you initially accused Dos Equis of being a racist. You only provided an emoticon in response to me calling you out on it. Some of us call that back peddling. It is a sad day when your meltdown and denial don't evend allow you to read your original post. Chronological order is a hard beast to master....
He has a good handle on me I think, why would i put the emoticon there? you weren't not pointing how the incorrectness of it, until I did moron, so there was no need to emoticon Dos equis, try and keep up
You keep digging your ditch of stupidity deeper and deeper.
No, you are too stupid to keep up and are looking for anything, but let's keep going I enjoy this shit.
I don't care if he attended a christian church. He lost all credibility there when he abandoned the same church in the manner he did. This is what, the 3rd time you've tried dodging that? Secondly, I never insisted he was muslim. You on the otherhand insisted he was a christian. I think the proof supports the case for him not being a christian.
So attending a church for 20 years, is all lost as he left, this is because he is actually a muslim? lol. fucking genius detective work. I am not dodging shit, the 20 years requires MORE of an explanation then him leaving (could be for political reasons). Say it was for a reason other then he is a secret muslim (LMAO), like political, personal, familial etc that has no bearing on anything other then he left his church. You are attaching all these retarded variables which have zero evidence and make no sense. Maybe he is a nazi and that is the reason he left? him leaving a christian church after 20 years ipso facto he is a fucking muslim. MORON ALERT. would you like to switch positions in this debate? I could make a far better case for your position, you are struggling to remain consistent, unfortunately I believe it is do to a average to slightly above average IQ.
I don't even know where to start with your take on expert testimony. It is an expert witness's precision, history, education, and formal training that makes
his opinion worthwhile. I was unaware that you had an expert christian on hand that was vouching for obama's devout faith. Can you link the testimony of this expert Christian?
You are now moving the goal posts. Let's first look at where this argument came from. You argued that and I quote "Other people's opinions are not evidence, dumbass. I think you just are a world class idiot." so you claimed that opinions are not evidence, they are. You avoid conceding this point (as you have with every position) by now asking me where this expert christian is coming from, my point, lost on you, is that opinion can be fact, it can be evidence.If one person says he goes to church, it's pretty weak, if 5000 say it, I would accept the opinion as fact. If someone says I saw iwantmass at the glory hole, I might be taken aback, he sucks no dick!!, if everyone you know is saying you are a taste tester there, I would be an idiot to believe otherwise. /color]
Is your lack of comprehension of what constitutes an expert witness what you consider an ass raping? I think you got the roles reversed.
I know it's hard to keep up and sometimes without thinking my argument might seem like the one you already have made up in your head but if you look closely... it's not.
Once again, you've relied on no science reasoning. At this point, im thinking you have no clue what the scientific method is. You suggested you couldn't fathom why he would bomb muslims if he was one. In response, I provided you an example because you are too absent minded to consider one. You once again didn't comprehend that and seemed to think I stated it was fact
Let's not mention science anymore, it did nothing to deserve this. I can't see how on one hand you can claim his muslim identity dictates his foreign policy (in your words his poor treatment of israel is coming from his islamic base), yet the people he is treating the very fucking worst, are the MUSLIMS! how stupid are you, your argument doesn't make sense, look at what i just wrote, your point is non-sensical, it make no sense, you're wrong. So sometimes it's for presidential reasons, sometimes it's due to being a muslim, you are able to tease these apart based on what... oh ya fantasy.
I don't need it to be fact. I need enough evidence for doubt and he provides that.
Even if you had enough evidence to say he ISN'T a christian (you don't even have that), that does not default mean he is a muslim, what evidence again is there that he is a muslim? you provided the poor treatment of israel, which is beyond stupid on every level I can fathom
Yeah, I think we are done. I keep.making you look like an illiterate dumbass everytime I correct you. And in turn, you've gone full andre mode. Rather than make sense, you babble about destruction and ass rape.
Keep telling yourself that.
You have not provided one single fact, nor have you refuted the fact that obama.sold out his 20 year christian roots to appeal to his voter base. That is a fact
I still haven't heard one reason why he is a muslim, you are now attempting to conflate him not being a christian with being a muslim, proving he is not a christian (which you have not done, leaving church for political reasons is exactly in line with what a religious hypocrite would do) does not mean he is muslim. There is no evidence at all that he is a muslim, zero, no personal testimony, no rituals, no mosque, children clearly not islamic.. if you are not actually this stupid and purely trolling, great job.
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I still haven't heard one reason why he is a muslim, you are now attempting to conflate him not being a christian with being a muslim, proving he is not a christian (which you have not done, leaving church for political reasons is exactly in line with what a religious hypocrite would do) does not mean he is muslim. There is no evidence at all that he is a muslim, zero, no personal testimony, no rituals, no mosque, children clearly not islamic.. if you are not actually this stupid and purely trolling, great job.
I'm glad you think he has a good handle on you. He thinks you are a lying troll idiot. I agree, and from your statement, so do you.
Do you remember the thing I said about you not understanding chronological order? I never said he was a muslim, I just insisted there was no mountain of evidence that he was a christian as you and others portrayed. In fact i said I don't think he was a muslim but i wouldn't be shocked if he was. Your original argument against me was that you possess a mountain of evidence that he is a christian. I don't need your guess to ascertain that he left for political reasons. I've indicated we all know he did that multiple times in this very thread. That has been kinda my point this whole thread. His strong christian faith backed by a mountain of evidence was weak enough to break for political reasons. Hopefully you understand that this time, as you haven't the multiple previous times i've mentioned it.
You said people's opinions are evidence. And...they still aren't, and you are still a dumbass. Let's try this again. An expert testimony is only relevant to a court hearing because of their proficiency in their field. It isn't some random opinion that makes it expert, its the proficiency part, dumbass. And i'm still waiting for your expert christian testimony to support your mountain of evidence.
I never claimed his muslim identity dictates his foreign policy. I never even claimed he was a muslim (Chronological order once again). You indicated that you simply could not fathom how he could both A) be a muslim and B) order attacks on muslim targets. I provided you with a HYPOTHETICAL scenario.
The evolution of your argument has went the way of desperation.
My original argument, that has never changed through this entire argument because, well let's see...i'm making you look dumber than a box of rocks, has been I DON'T KNOW IF HE IS MUSLIM OR NOT, BUT CAN YOU PLEASE PROVIDE THE MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE THAT HE IS A CHRISTIAN SO THERE IS NO REASON TO DOUBT HE IS A MUSLIM.
You on the other hand originally stated THERE IS A MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT OBAMA IS A CHRISTIAN AND ONLY IDIOTS THINK OBAMA IS A MUSLIM
In summary,
I have stuck to my point that no mountain of evidence exists that indicates obama is a christian, thus allowing the POSSIBILITY that he is a muslim.
You have initially indicated that a MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE EXISTS vouching for his strong christian faith, thus eliminating any chance of him being a muslim.
And now, your argument has evolved to SO WHAT IF HE ISN'T A CHRISTIAN, THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE IS A MUSLIM
I can beat the virtual shit outta you all day. It isn't hard. I've already made you change your stance well away from your original argument. Can we please get back to the original argument and have you provide the mountain of evidence? 3 days later, and now you are saying you aren't even sure he is a christian.
I think that means i win...
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I'm glad you think he has a good handle on you. He thinks you are a lying troll idiot. I agree, and from your statement, so do you.
Do you remember the thing I said about you not understanding chronological order? I never said he was a muslim, I just insisted there was no mountain of evidence that he was a christian as you and others portrayed. In fact i said I don't think he was a muslim but i wouldn't be shocked if he was. Your original argument against me was that you possess a mountain of evidence that he is a christian. I don't need your guess to ascertain that he left for political reasons. I've indicated we all know he did that multiple times in this very thread. That has been kinda my point this whole thread. His strong christian faith backed by a mountain of evidence was weak enough to break for political reasons. Hopefully you understand that this time, as you haven't the multiple previous times i've mentioned it.
Yes there is, we keep giving it to you and the fact that there is no good reason to believe he is a muslim any more then a nazi, you are simply ignoring our points and saying that same shit in a different way. Christians are hypocrites, you are shocked he is one? sorry the fact he went to a christian church for 20 years lends credence to his personal statements, which are corroborated by everyone who knows him, you are an idiot. Why the fuck did he go to a church for so fucking long, so long before being in the public eye, if he was a muslim, your propositions are insane.
You said people's opinions are evidence. And...they still aren't, and you are still a dumbass. Let's try this again. An expert testimony is only relevant to a court hearing because of their proficiency in their field. It isn't some random opinion that makes it expert, its the proficiency part, dumbass. And i'm still waiting for your expert christian testimony to support your mountain of evidence.
No you said peoples opinions aren't evidence, which you then back peddled on once I brought up expert testimony as evidence, ie opinion as evidence, if you agree expert testimony is evidence then you are agreeing with me, are you unwell?
I never claimed his muslim identity dictates his foreign policy. I never even claimed he was a muslim (Chronological order once again). You indicated that you simply could not fathom how he could both A) be a muslim and B) order attacks on muslim targets. I provided you with a HYPOTHETICAL scenario.
The evolution of your argument has went the way of desperation.
Your memory is poor, you claimed that his treatment of israel was evidence of his possible pernicious islamism, I pointed out that if this were true why then would he treat muslims so poorly? you are not logically consistent, you are all over the place. It's getting painful and boring now, it's like talking to a monkey.
My original argument, that has never changed through this entire argument because, well let's see...i'm making you look dumber than a box of rocks, has been I DON'T KNOW IF HE IS MUSLIM OR NOT, BUT CAN YOU PLEASE PROVIDE THE MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE THAT HE IS A CHRISTIAN SO THERE IS NO REASON TO DOUBT HE IS A MUSLIM.
You on the other hand originally stated THERE IS A MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT OBAMA IS A CHRISTIAN AND ONLY IDIOTS THINK OBAMA IS A MUSLIM
In summary,
I have stuck to my point that no mountain of evidence exists that indicates obama is a christian, thus allowing the POSSIBILITY that he is a muslim.
You have initially indicated that a MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE EXISTS vouching for his strong christian faith, thus eliminating any chance of him being a muslim.
And now, your argument has evolved to SO WHAT IF HE ISN'T A CHRISTIAN, THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE IS A MUSLIM
I can beat the virtual shit outta you all day. It isn't hard. I've already made you change your stance well away from your original argument. Can we please get back to the original argument and have you provide the mountain of evidence? 3 days later, and now you are saying you aren't even sure he is a christian.
I think that means i win...
Jesus, you can't even mis represent me in a consistent manner lololol.
So there has been no evidence provided, since I am sure you are not trolling, you appear to be all caps melting lol.
Since simple logic escapes you, let's just bury your ass in simple facts, eventually enough will weigh on your small brain, :-X
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/aug/26/18-percent-american-public/obama-muslim-no-hes-not-evidence-has-not-changed/
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Several independent reports have documented Obama's church membership and faith life. "Along his Senate campaign trail (in 2004), Obama would never fail to carry his Christian Bible. He would place it right beside him, in the small compartment in the passenger side door of the SUV, so he could refer to it often," reported journalist David Mendell in his 2007 biography Obama: From Promise to Power."- he is completely lying, he is a secret muslim, it had muzzie inscribings and allah all over it bro
"In office, though, Obama has not attended one church regularly. Instead, he has worshipped at various churches in the Washington, D.C., area, including the Allen Chapel African Methodist Episcopal Church, the Nineteenth Street Baptist Church, and St. John's Episcopal Church. He also has attended services at Camp David, the presidential retreat."
Look at all the fucking MOSQUES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahaha, how stupid are you?
"Obama regularly seeks spiritual guidance from a group of pastors and called them recently from Air Force One for a prayer session, according to an account in the Washington Post. Last week, when the Pew poll was released, presidential aides said Obama remains a practicing Christian and prays daily."
To ALLAH I BET!!!
I bet his kids go to a mosque.... nope, to church also.......
But all those muslim practices like ramadan he does.... or doesn't do..... he prays and carries a bible, but it's all a lie, look at the colour of his skin!!! he has to be a muslim right?
you are a moronic bigot, even if he wasn't a christian, there is no reason to believe otherwise, who gives a fuck if he is a muslim? why would he hide it so intensely? he is nearing the end of his term, when is the jihad coming? are you a fucking complete idiot?
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Jesus, you can't even mis represent me in a consistent manner lololol.
So there has been no evidence provided, since I am sure you are not trolling, you appear to be all caps melting lol.
Since simple logic escapes you, let's just bury your ass in simple facts, eventually enough will weigh on your small brain, :-X
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/aug/26/18-percent-american-public/obama-muslim-no-hes-not-evidence-has-not-changed/
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Several independent reports have documented Obama's church membership and faith life. "Along his Senate campaign trail (in 2004), Obama would never fail to carry his Christian Bible. He would place it right beside him, in the small compartment in the passenger side door of the SUV, so he could refer to it often," reported journalist David Mendell in his 2007 biography Obama: From Promise to Power."- he is completely lying, he is a secret muslim, it had muzzie inscribings and allah all over it bro
"In office, though, Obama has not attended one church regularly. Instead, he has worshipped at various churches in the Washington, D.C., area, including the Allen Chapel African Methodist Episcopal Church, the Nineteenth Street Baptist Church, and St. John's Episcopal Church. He also has attended services at Camp David, the presidential retreat."
Look at all the fucking MOSQUES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahaha, how stupid are you?
"Obama regularly seeks spiritual guidance from a group of pastors and called them recently from Air Force One for a prayer session, according to an account in the Washington Post. Last week, when the Pew poll was released, presidential aides said Obama remains a practicing Christian and prays daily."
To ALLAH I BET!!!
I bet his kids go to a mosque.... nope, to church also.......
But all those muslim practices like ramadan he does.... or doesn't do..... he prays and carries a bible, but it's all a lie, look at the colour of his skin!!! he has to be a muslim right?
you are a moronic bigot, even if he wasn't a christian, there is no reason to believe otherwise, who gives a fuck if he is a muslim? why would he hide it so intensely? he is nearing the end of his term, when is the jihad coming? are you a fucking complete idiot?
So can you point out which of those represent the professional christian? Was it the journalist that he told about his bible practices....for his own biography. ...for political gain?
While I commend your resiliency on your "grasping at straws" debate strategy, you still have not provided a mountain of evidence or even a pebble vouching for his christianity. Your attempt to cite the hypocrisy of Christians to attest to him being a real christian is pathetic even by your standards. Plenty of self-proclaimed Christians are hypocrites. Those aren't real christians, kinda like obama.
Did you mean to post an emoticon after you called me a bigot? I can't tell as I don't have a handle on you as well as Dos equis. I can identify your stupidity but I'm still getting a feel for your sarcasm, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were joking and not using the standard liberal argument.
So...still no mountain of evidence that he is a chrisitan. I got it. That's all you had to say.
How about this, I will stand by my original argument that I have no idea if obama is a muslim but I would like to see his mountain of evidence vouching for his christianity. I won't alter my original stance one bit.
In turn, I'll extend you the courtesy of telling me exactly what your new stance is, since your old one has folded numerous times.
Since you tend to lie, not comprehend, and all together get easily confused; can you post your current stance in bold text so I can know what I'm debating. I've already made you look like shit on your original stance and I really can't tell what your argument is now, so if you would make your stance official as I have, I will know exactly what to make you look like an idiot on again
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So can you point out which of those represent the professional christian? Was it the journalist that he told about his bible practices....for his own biography. ...for political gain?
While I commend your resiliency on your "grasping at straws" debate strategy, you still have not provided a mountain of evidence or even a pebble vouching for his christianity. Your attempt to cite the hypocrisy of Christians to attest to him being a real christian is pathetic even by your standards. Plenty of self-proclaimed Christians are hypocrites. Those aren't real christians, kinda like obama.
Did you mean to post an emoticon after you called me a bigot? I can't tell as I don't have a handle on you as well as Dos equis. I can identify your stupidity but I'm still getting a feel for your sarcasm, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were joking and not using the standard liberal argument.
So...still no mountain of evidence that he is a chrisitan. I got it. That's all you had to say.
How about this, I will stand by my original argument that I have no idea if obama is a muslim but I would like to see his mountain of evidence vouching for his christianity. I won't alter my original stance one bit.
In turn, I'll extend you the courtesy of telling me exactly what your new stance is, since your old one has folded numerous times.
Since you tend to lie, not comprehend, and all together get easily confused; can you post your current stance in bold text so I can know what I'm debating. I've already made you look like shit on your original stance and I really can't tell what your argument is now, so if you would make your stance official as I have, I will know exactly what to make you look like an idiot on again
Lol, thanks for playing kid. tell me exactly what type of evidence you are looking for?
Since you are unclear what evidence is, again you think opinion is not evidence LMAO YOU STUPID FUCK, yet expert testimony exists and exists in things called courts lol. I know you can't tell what my argument is, you're an idiot. I now realize why you keep stating that we have not shown you evidence, you don;t even understand the concept lol. Do you want us to open him up in hopes that he has a crucifix seared into his heart? what more can a person do to prove he is a christian, then say he is, show he is (by going to church, having kids go to church, secret muslim alert) and have been consistent over 20 plus years? what could he do to prove he is a christian? what more could a person even do you fucking imbecile? he is as christian as coach, he fucking goes to church more I would wager.
Meanwhile, another logical rebuttal to your bullshit is that on one hand you are claiming he is a muslim, yet he does none of the practices, you then on the other hand cite poor adherence to christianity as evidence he is not a christian. Do I need to spell it out further for you? can you take that to it's logical conclusion? Would his lack of adherance to muslim practices not prove he is not a muslim, by your own stupid dumbshit logic it does.
You suck at trolling and you suck at thinking.
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you are a moronic bigot also, explain why one would need to hide the fact that he is a muslim, and to this extent? what is inherently wrong with being muslim to the degree that he would lie about being a christian to hide this truth?
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you are a moronic bigot also, explain why one would need to hide the fact that he is a muslim, and to this extent? what is inherently wrong with being muslim to the degree that he would lie about being a christian to hide this truth?
Good point.
Especially when he has 1 year to go and it serves no purpose doing so any longer.
By the time someone would impeach him for whatever, at this point, he would be out of office anyway. Definitely serves no purpose at THIS point. Maybe during his election runs, but now?
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Reminds me of one of those cartoon tracks that were passed out back in the 70's.. if you were on trial for being a christian.. would there be enough evidence to convict you. In this case.. if Obama was on trial for being Muslim, I think the case would be dismissed for lack of evidence. As a Christian.. certainly he would be convicted of being a typical American christian.
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I can't speculate why a person would hide their religion, nor was that what my original question to the 2 of you i addressed. Necrosis and agnostic seem to imply people are moronic if they question obama's faith or insist he is a muslim. I don't see it that way. He has proven to be a phoney christian and his handling of both Jewish and islamic situations seem to be more favorable towards islamic.
That alone doesn't mean he is a muslim at all, but it certainly opens the door to questions.
I haven't ever made one criticism of Islam on this board or anywhere else for that matter. Nor have I implied a muslim doesn't qualify to be President. I have even said obama earned the right to be President because he was voted in and that is good enough for me.
But I understand why Necrosis has resorted to calling me a bigot and agnostic has resorted to calling me a troll. Neither of them can come up with a single piece of proof supporting their mountain of evidence that obama is a christian.
Let's be clear, I have said in this very thread I don't think obama is a muslim, I've never criticized muslims, nor have i said a muslim isn't qualified to be President
That all being said, I can understand why you guys would try to change the subject from the original point I made that plenty of evidence exists questioning his christianity and it isn't outlandish to question if he is another religion
Agnostic defends his police brotherhood unless video, signed confession, and 15 witnesses were there. Yet, he takes obama's word and the word of his close acquantiences. No wonder the general population has lost faith in law enfromcent if this is the biased mentality they have.
Necrosis cites evidence of prayer ritual and obama's personal habits yet fails to provide proof other than a biography.
Both of you need to work on reading comprehension and following the chronological order of events. I haven't wavered from my original position not one bit while you 2 have shuffled all over the place and failed to provide any.
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Good point.
Especially when he has 1 year to go and it serves no purpose doing so any longer.
By the time someone would impeach him for whatever, at this point, he would be out of office anyway. Definitely serves no purpose at THIS point. Maybe during his election runs, but now?
No it isn't a good point. It is a stupid point based on me being a bigot or having a problem with a muslim president. Me big called a bigot is the result of necrosis being made to look like an idiot over 3 pages of forum thread content.
As stated above, I've never criticized a muslim nor do I have any clue why someone would hide their religion. I do tend to have trust issues with someone that abandons their father figure and faith of 20 years. That demonstration of betrayal to his faith does lead me to distrust anything that might come out of a person's mouth in regards to their practiced theology. I spite of what necrosis indicates, he has no first hand knowledge of anything to do with obama's religious practices, nor do i. The only thing I know about his faith is that he is willing to abandon it for political gain.
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No it isn't a good point. It is a stupid point based on me being a bigot or having a problem with a muslim president. Me big called a bigot is the result of necrosis being made to look like an idiot over 3 pages of forum thread content.
As stated above, I've never criticized a muslim nor do I have any clue why someone would hide their religion. I do tend to have trust issues with someone that abandons their father figure and faith of 20 years. That demonstration of betrayal to his faith does lead me to distrust anything that might come out of a person's mouth in regards to their practiced theology. I spite of what necrosis indicates, he has no first hand knowledge of anything to do with obama's religious practices, nor do i. The only thing I know about his faith is that he is willing to abandon it for political gain.
You are absurd, lololol. So now first hand knowledge is credible? why didn't you say, see the above quotes, those in the military, pastors, service members etc all have first hand knowledge and attest to the notion he is a christian. Bullshit you never criticized islam asshat, you claimed Obama's poor treatment of Israel is because he is a muslim , lol, you are basically saying he is being prejudice on a global level due to being a muslim, you have contempt for them, that is obvious.
Can you even keep your bullshit straight?
Answer a question for once, put your thoughts out there, you want me to make your argument for you, TOMY? is that you? you drunk bastard.
what would Obama have to do to prove he is a christian, you won't take his word, nor first hand knowledge you so crave (everyone who knows him states he is a christian), you won't take his words and actions, you won't accept logic, reason, common sense, what evidence are you looking for?
Answer a question, you can stop playing the victim nancy, you keep claiming others are misrepresenting you. I honestly don't know what other piece of evidence a person could want? a personal transcript from jesus outlining the pledge?
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That alone doesn't mean he is a muslim at all, but it certainly opens the door to questions.
No it doesn't you lunatic, it opens the doors to questions that he is a muslim because he left his longtime christian church of 20 years? are you the biggest moron on the board?
I haven't ever made one criticism of Islam on this board or anywhere else for that matter. Nor have I implied a muslim doesn't qualify to be President. I have even said obama earned the right to be President because he was voted in and that is good enough for me.
You claimed his treatment of the jews was due to him being a muslim asshole, you are the worst type of person, a liar and bigot.
But I understand why Necrosis has resorted to calling me a bigot and agnostic has resorted to calling me a troll. Neither of them can come up with a single piece of proof supporting their mountain of evidence that obama is a christian.
Ya not a single piece, wait found one piece here, he attended a christian church his whole life. Are you blind, is there a reason you can't seem to register this? this is a single piece of proof, you wouldn't consider that proof? lol
Let's be clear, I have said in this very thread I don't think obama is a muslim, I've never criticized muslims, nor have i said a muslim isn't qualified to be President
No one said you did, you have been asked to defend your position and you meltdown and play the victim like a child
That all being said, I can understand why you guys would try to change the subject from the original point I made that plenty of evidence exists questioning his christianity and it isn't outlandish to question if he is another religion
What evidence, that he left a christian church after twenty years and continues to go to various christian churches, that is evidence he isn't a christian? you have a very loose understanding of proof, you accept the weakest piece of bullshit and call it evidence and sit back and accuse us of providing none? When it exceeds the quality of shit you are using to question his christianity, lolololol.
Agnostic defends his police brotherhood unless video, signed confession, and 15 witnesses were there. Yet, he takes obama's word and the word of his close acquantiences. No wonder the general population has lost faith in law enfromcent if this is the biased mentality they have.
You just said neither me nor you have first hand knowledge, you implied this means we couldn't actually know if obama is a christian. You now claim accounts form his personal acquaintances are faulty, meanwhile it is the very knowledge you covet so much. The IQ gap between us is bigger then the grand canyon
Necrosis cites evidence of prayer ritual and obama's personal habits yet fails to provide proof other than a biography.
Thanks for perfectly summarizing my position, you didn't misrepresent me at all, lol. A mod is fucking using a gimmick to avoid being destroyed, lololololol. I cited his 20 fucking years of attendence, the accounts of everyone who knows him, his personal accounts, the facts his words have remained consistent, his kids are christian, he recently vacationed at fort david, he claims jesus is his saviour, his biography written by someone else (fuck you are an idiot) could find nothing but evidence of his christian belief. Do you want a signed letter from jesus? are you a complete idiot?
Both of you need to work on reading comprehension and following the chronological order of events. I haven't wavered from my original position not one bit while you 2 have shuffled all over the place and failed to provide any.
Ah no I haven't, he is a christian, there is a mountain of evidence , a lifelong fucking mountain, you are an idiot who keeps misrepresenting everyone and have been owned so badly you may have to close this gimmick account. You claimed opinion isn't evidence, then backpeddled, you claim still there is not one single piece of evidence, not one? lololol. you were owned on the emoticon argument, owned on the muslim argument with your clearly bigotry fuelled suggestion that obama is purposely treating jews bad. You are an idiot that has no credibility, this is the reason you are using a gimmick, your actual account is wrought with fails.
Had enough yet idiot?
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No it isn't a good point. It is a stupid point based on me being a bigot or having a problem with a muslim president. Me big called a bigot is the result of necrosis being made to look like an idiot over 3 pages of forum thread content.
As stated above, I've never criticized a muslim nor do I have any clue why someone would hide their religion. I do tend to have trust issues with someone that abandons their father figure and faith of 20 years. That demonstration of betrayal to his faith does lead me to distrust anything that might come out of a person's mouth in regards to their practiced theology. I spite of what necrosis indicates, he has no first hand knowledge of anything to do with obama's religious practices, nor do i. The only thing I know about his faith is that he is willing to abandon it for political gain.
Be a fucking man and get on your real account fruit. Also, leaving a church isn't abandoning ones faith, how are you able to breath and sit upright all at once?
Maybe it was a personal issue between him and a pastor, or maybe once he became president it became a huge distraction, the church was flooded.
So we have two hypothesis here
Moron's hypothesis
he left the church because he is not christian, evidence for?... zero, he still goes to churches, christian churches, his kids attend church, looks like he left a church, you are acting like he swore a blood oath.
Normal person's hypothesis
Obama left the church because he became president, people would go to see the president, it was no longer church. Evidence for this? he still attends church but multiple ones, other pieces of evidence? he fucking STATED THIS YOU FUCKING IDIOT.
Sorry, you're right he abandoned his faith only to find it in the church he attends every sunday.
So I have to ask, why are you continuing with this insistence he is not a christian? why do you want this to be so? you are willing to ignore reality in order to continue with the belief. Are you that much of a bigot? or do you just plain hate obama? what is driving you to be so suspicious of him? why the fuck WOULD HE LIE?
answer the question? why is he lying? why is he hiding it? he is purposely claiming to be a christian, attending churches to keep the farce going? Why would someone do this? there is no logical reason unless you are a racist bigot moron.
You should be banned from this board from reducing the quality of content.
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No it isn't a good point. It is a stupid point based on me being a bigot or having a problem with a muslim president. Me big called a bigot is the result of necrosis being made to look like an idiot over 3 pages of forum thread content.
As stated above, I've never criticized a muslim nor do I have any clue why someone would hide their religion. I do tend to have trust issues with someone that abandons their father figure and faith of 20 years. That demonstration of betrayal to his faith does lead me to distrust anything that might come out of a person's mouth in regards to their practiced theology. I spite of what necrosis indicates, he has no first hand knowledge of anything to do with obama's religious practices, nor do i. The only thing I know about his faith is that he is willing to abandon it for political gain.
I don't care about your bigotry or lack there of.
I'm just saying that it seems pointless.
To me, it is a valid point to mention that it is pointless to continue this charade.
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Had enough yet idiot?
Stop asking if I've had enough. You've been on the receiving end of an internet ass kicking for 3 pages now, and you are starting to get all bent outta shape and worked up. Calm down, you are only losing an internet argument. It's not that big of a deal. I'll take your points in order as I have previously, although I doubt it will matter as you don't seem to read too well.
1)It isn't his sudden denouncement of his church (that was ministered by his father figure/mentor) after 20 years that opens the door to his religion. He didn't leave because he disagreed with Rev. Wright's interpretation on theology. You do know what Rev. Wright preached, don't you? I don't think you do, so maybe you should go look up the tenets of his church, the company he keeps, etc. He is pro-black/pro-african radical, and keeps company with the likes of Farrakhan. Isn't that guy a muslim? I don't have a problem with any of that, but lets be clear, Obama didn't choose that church based on his strong christian faith.
Secondly, why don't you go back and look as to why Obama joined that church? It's in one of his books you like to quote as fact so much.
Anyhow, it's not his denouncment of Wright's teachings. It's the timing. He left when a few sermons became public, as he knew they were inflammatory rhetoric and he didn't want them to ruin his political career. He didn't randomly leave for other reasons, as you would like to indicate. In fact, he lied and said he didn't attend a single anti-american or racially charged sermon in his entire 20 years, all for political gain.
2) Link me the post where I claimed his treatment to Jews was due to him being a Muslim. This thread is only 4 pages long, so it shouldn't take you that long to confirm you are a liar.
3)He attended Trinity Church for other reasons than it being Christian. As stated above, go actually read his book and don't rely on tidbits that you gather from whatever liberal site you frequent. Obama and Rev. Wright have both commented on why Obama joined his all black congregation. And stop saying he attended church his whole life. He didn't, you idiot. Once again, you are just talking out of your ass. I dare say, you know nothing of his current church participation frequency. You just like to continue to cite nonsense as evidence.
4)You've accused me of saying he is a muslim multiple times.
5) I never said I had proof that he was a muslim. You, on the other hand, did say you have proof that he was a christian, a mountain of it in fact. You haven't produced any still, btw. I said there is enough doubt as to his christian faith, that I don't find it absurd for people to question if he is another faith, in this case muslim. Scroll all the way back 3 whole pages, and you can see where Agnostic said anyone that believes Obama to be Muslim takes a sledgehammer to their credibility. That is where I first responded. I just asked him to show why, and that's when you jumped in and I made you start looking like the village idiot.
6)I haven't claimed knowledge from his personal acquaintances is faulty. I've claimed I'm not going to take you randomly quoting a biography of a politician or the word of people close to him as evidence. Their word may be 100% accurate, or 100% fiction. Who knows? As far as the biography that you quote as pure fact, Ben Carson has a biography out too. How is that going for him?
7)I don't think i misrepresented you at all. You liken hearsay to evidence. I just provided 2 examples of that. And on a personal note, I'm sorry about this mod that has wronged you in the past. I'm not him/her, but apparently they've done things to you to make you feel small and inconsequential. That isn't my intent here. I've just made you look stupid.
8)You still haven't provided a mountain of evidence. I did claim opinion doesn't qualify as evidence. You tried to use expert testimony. Apparently you don't understand what qualifies someone for expert testimony. It isn't their mere desire to express their opinion. I wasn't owned on the emoticon argument. You didn't use one originally and indicated he knew you were joking. Were you also joking when you called me a bigot twice? \
I never claimed obama targeted jews. Link please. And finally sorry to tell you, I'm not a gimmick, but even if i was, it still has no relevance on how idiotic i've made you look.
Well, i think that about covers all your points in red. Have a nice day
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Be a fucking man and get on your real account fruit. Also, leaving a church isn't abandoning ones faith, how are you able to breath and sit upright all at once?
Maybe it was a personal issue between him and a pastor, or maybe once he became president it became a huge distraction, the church was flooded.
So we have two hypothesis here
Moron's hypothesis
he left the church because he is not christian, evidence for?... zero, he still goes to churches, christian churches, his kids attend church, looks like he left a church, you are acting like he swore a blood oath.
Normal person's hypothesis
Obama left the church because he became president, people would go to see the president, it was no longer church. Evidence for this? he still attends church but multiple ones, other pieces of evidence? he fucking STATED THIS YOU FUCKING IDIOT.
Sorry, you're right he abandoned his faith only to find it in the church he attends every sunday.
So I have to ask, why are you continuing with this insistence he is not a christian? why do you want this to be so? you are willing to ignore reality in order to continue with the belief. Are you that much of a bigot? or do you just plain hate obama? what is driving you to be so suspicious of him? why the fuck WOULD HE LIE?
answer the question? why is he lying? why is he hiding it? he is purposely claiming to be a christian, attending churches to keep the farce going? Why would someone do this? there is no logical reason unless you are a racist bigot moron.
You should be banned from this board from reducing the quality of content.
This is the only account i own.
Your moron's hypothesis doesn't take into account that he claimed rev. wright to be a father figure, nor does it take into account that he left when the sermons came under public scrutiny.
Your normal person's hypothesis doesn't account for the same as the moron's hypothesis. Can you tell me what churchs he still attends and how regularly, since you seem to be in the know on his personal routine all the way down to his hand washing ritual? Please cite evidence, as i don't really consider your word alone very reliable at this point.
I've never insisted he wasn't a christian. I said evidence exists that makes it suspect. The 2 are completely different, but people like you only think in absolutes.
I can't tell you why/if he is lying or hiding anything. Nor can I tell you why a person would do this. Neither of those statements eliminates logical reason for a person doing this. There are still plenty of logical reasons a person, a politician no less, would keep up a farce.
And now, I'm a racist bigot moron, but you were only joking when you called Dos Equis a racist, got it.
You only want me banned because I've made you look like an idiot all week.
Btw, thanks for not attempting to seem smart and apply the scientific method to this scenario anymore. It just made you look really stupid and as if you were a down syndrome kid that just found his dad's doctor lab coat and glasses, and wanted to play surgery man.
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This is the only account i own.
Your moron's hypothesis doesn't take into account that he claimed rev. wright to be a father figure, nor does it take into account that he left when the sermons came under public scrutiny.
Yes it does, there could all kinds of reasons, a falling out etc. it has no bearing on his faith, if it was indicative of him not being a christian, why would he continue to attend churches. Why is he lying, answer the question? what evidence do you want? give me an example of a christian?
Your normal person's hypothesis doesn't account for the same as the moron's hypothesis. Can you tell me what churchs he still attends and how regularly, since you seem to be in the know on his personal routine all the way down to his hand washing ritual? Please cite evidence, as i don't really consider your word alone very reliable at this point.
Ya I gave you a fucking list of them, not my fault you can't read.
I've never insisted he wasn't a christian. I said evidence exists that makes it suspect. The 2 are completely different, but people like you only think in absolutes.
No it doesn't.
I can't tell you why/if he is lying or hiding anything. Nor can I tell you why a person would do this. Neither of those statements eliminates logical reason for a person doing this. There are still plenty of logical reasons a person, a politician no less, would keep up a farce.
Yes it does you fucking moron, if there is no logical reason why someone would do something of this magnitude on a world stage, it eliminates logical reasons, it doesn't make sense you asshat, aka it's wrong. lololol.
And now, I'm a racist bigot moron, but you were only joking when you called Dos Equis a racist, got it.
Yes, you are. You claimed Obama's poor treatment of israel was evidence he was a muslim, how can you continue to lie and keep changing your positions and have the courage to continue to debate is impressive.
You only want me banned because I've made you look like an idiot all week.
Ya, you have done that ::), you took that seriously? it was an insult, aka you are a bad poster.
Btw, thanks for not attempting to seem smart and apply the scientific method to this scenario anymore. It just made you look really stupid and as if you were a down syndrome kid that just found his dad's doctor lab coat and glasses, and wanted to play surgery man.
Ok, sure it did. Opinion isn't evidence, him going to church for 20 years is evidence he isn't a christian, you cannot conceive of a rational reason why someone would go through this effort yet you claim there still could be logical explanations? like what? he is a muslim? that illogical, it has no evidence at all, the only evidence that exists that hints at obamas religion, is christian, that's it, every bit of evidence you can find is supportive of this.
Just log off and start a new account, no one will take your seriously on here anymore.
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Stop asking if I've had enough. You've been on the receiving end of an internet ass kicking for 3 pages now, and you are starting to get all bent outta shape and worked up. Calm down, you are only losing an internet argument. It's not that big of a deal. I'll take your points in order as I have previously, although I doubt it will matter as you don't seem to read too well.
The only people who have supported you are idiots, who have also been owned in this very thread, lol. You are going to need to start another account after this round.
1)It isn't his sudden denouncement of his church (that was ministered by his father figure/mentor) after 20 years that opens the door to his religion. He didn't leave because he disagreed with Rev. Wright's interpretation on theology. You do know what Rev. Wright preached, don't you? I don't think you do, so maybe you should go look up the tenets of his church, the company he keeps, etc. He is pro-black/pro-african radical, and keeps company with the likes of Farrakhan. Isn't that guy a muslim? I don't have a problem with any of that, but lets be clear, Obama didn't choose that church based on his strong christian faith.
I am glad you ignore evidence as you know why obama choose a particular church. Go away stupid. He goes to other churches, your point is moot, my point trumps your point, he left because of the attention idiots like you were bringing to the church, HE HAS SAID THIS, THIS IS WHY HE GOES TO MULTIPLE CHURCHES, THIS LINE OF REASONING IS NOW DEAD, try not to bring it up again mmmkay...
Secondly, why don't you go back and look as to why Obama joined that church? It's in one of his books you like to quote as fact so much.
So now his own words are credible? you need to make up your mind, so his claim to be a christian is somehow a lie, yet his reasons for joining this church are correct? you have claimed he is a proven liar, you are a right wing moron. It's why things aren't making sense to you, you are like " but he is brown in colour"?
Anyhow, it's not his denouncment of Wright's teachings. It's the timing. He left when a few sermons became public, as he knew they were inflammatory rhetoric and he didn't want them to ruin his political career. He didn't randomly leave for other reasons, as you would like to indicate. In fact, he lied and said he didn't attend a single anti-american or racially charged sermon in his entire 20 years, all for political gain.
No you idiot, he left due to the attention, HE HAS SAID THIS. why are you spectulating? the answer is known, your spin isn't needed asshole.
2) Link me the post where I claimed his treatment to Jews was due to him being a Muslim. This thread is only 4 pages long, so it shouldn't take you that long to confirm you are a liar.
Sure moron, page 1, this thread you said
"So, obama, a known liar (you showed your biased ass here, you aren't interested in truth, OBAMAS A LIAR, EXCEPT WHEN HE SAYS THINGS THAT AGREE WITH ME", you will take at his word even given his sympathy with Islam and his his increasingly distant relationship with israel; but you require the entire scientific method be tested to incriminate a fellow cop.
"One could reason that he has been sympathetic to Muslims and less than receptive to Israel. I never said any of this made him a nazi or jew hater. Those are your words intended to derail the conversation. "
"And he is not just sympathetic to islam, he is negligent to jews"- SYMPATHETIC MEANS BOMBING THEM TO DEATH.
This is the strength of your evidence
"That very preacher looks to.warm up to the likes of farrakahan and has toyed with being a Muslim in the past." oh my GOD!!!1
Asking me to go through your posts is like suicide, it's rife with stupid
"Other people's opinions are not evidence, dumbass. I think you just are a world class idiot. That isn't a fact, that is my opinion."
Watch as instead of admitting he is wrong, he moves the goal posts, he now wants this expert testimony, he wants opinion, but only the very very best as you know other's opinions aren't evidence
"I don't even know where to start with your take on expert testimony. It is an expert witness's precision, history, education, and formal training that makes his opinion worthwhile. I was unaware that you had an expert christian on hand that was vouching for obama's devout faith. Can you link the testimony of this expert Christian?"
Then he decides, that expert opinion is the only form of evidence, normal opinions are no longer any good, idiot can't keep his bullshit straight
"You said people's opinions are evidence (THEY ARE MORON, YOU ADMITTED JUST ABOVE LOLOLOLOL). And...they still aren't(huh LOLOLOLOL), and you are still a dumbass. Let's try this again. An expert testimony is only relevant to a court hearing because of their proficiency in their field. It isn't some random opinion that makes it expert, its the proficiency part, dumbass. And i'm still waiting for your expert christian testimony to support your mountain of evidence."
The death blow of a tart
"In fact i said I don't think he was a muslim but i wouldn't be shocked if he was. " - I wouldn't be shocked if he was white either, super sneaky dude.
"I can't speculate why a person would hide their religion, nor was that what my original question to the 2 of you i addressed. Necrosis and agnostic seem to imply people are moronic if they question obama's faith or insist he is a muslim (Yes we do, that;s the point, you are a moron, thus you fit into this category. I don't see it that way. He has proven to be a phoney christian and his handling of both Jewish and islamic situations seem to be more favorable towards islamic.
Just fucking say it you bigot, you think it and are dying to say it. Seems more favorable to islam? he is actively killing thousands of muslims per month, what degree of moron are you?
3)He attended Trinity Church for other reasons than it being Christian. As stated above, go actually read his book and don't rely on tidbits that you gather from whatever liberal site you frequent. Obama and Rev. Wright have both commented on why Obama joined his all black congregation. And stop saying he attended church his whole life. He didn't, you idiot. Once again, you are just talking out of your ass. I dare say, you know nothing of his current church participation frequency. You just like to continue to cite nonsense as evidence.
Listen tomy, i won't go read for myself to provide your answer for you, you can provide the evidence if you make an assertion, otherwise STFU
4)You've accused me of saying he is a muslim multiple times.
You implied it many times, see above. You cited international geopolitics as evidence,see above, you said you wouldn't be suprised, meaning you are suspicious, are you unaware of what inference is?
5) I never said I had proof that he was a muslim. You, on the other hand, did say you have proof that he was a christian, a mountain of it in fact. You haven't produced any still, btw. I said there is enough doubt as to his christian faith, that I don't find it absurd for people to question if he is another faith, in this case muslim. Scroll all the way back 3 whole pages, and you can see where Agnostic said anyone that believes Obama to be Muslim takes a sledgehammer to their credibility. That is where I first responded. I just asked him to show why, and that's when you jumped in and I made you start looking like the village idiot.
Scroll back, it's on every page, in the same words. WHY WOULD HE BE MUSLIM YOU FUCKING IDIOT? what about his treatment of russians?is that because he hates anglicans? Tomy, get on your real account, I know you are upset about the ass raping in the other thread, to the point you had to use a gimmick.
6)I haven't claimed knowledge from his personal acquaintances is faulty. I've claimed I'm not going to take you randomly quoting a biography of a politician or the word of people close to him as evidence. Their word may be 100% accurate, or 100% fiction. Who knows? As far as the biography that you quote as pure fact, Ben Carson has a biography out too. How is that going for him?
Yes you did, do you want the quotes? well dum dum, there is a thing called professionalism (don't worry you won;t have to bother with it) but some people actually take pride in their work, if he lied he would never write another biography, he would never work, you are a fucking idiot.
7)I don't think i misrepresented you at all. You liken hearsay to evidence. I just provided 2 examples of that. And on a personal note, I'm sorry about this mod that has wronged you in the past. I'm not him/her, but apparently they've done things to you to make you feel small and inconsequential. That isn't my intent here. I've just made you look stupid.
You don't even know what heresay is moron, it's not heresay if it's coming from a direct witness (like those in church with him), you must feel terrible about yourself, so stupid.
8)You still haven't provided a mountain of evidence. I did claim opinion doesn't qualify as evidence. You tried to use expert testimony. Apparently you don't understand what qualifies someone for expert testimony. It isn't their mere desire to express their opinion. I wasn't owned on the emoticon argument. You didn't use one originally and indicated he knew you were joking. Were you also joking when you called me a bigot twice? \
No you are a bigot, you cannot provide one rational reason why obama is a muslim if he is not a christian, nor why he would go to these lengths to hide it, you are not being rational, it's due to hate, your a bigot.
I never claimed obama targeted jews. Link please. And finally sorry to tell you, I'm not a gimmick, but even if i was, it still has no relevance on how idiotic i've made you look.
Ok bro, you didn't
Well, i think that about covers all your points in red. Have a nice day
Time to trash this account, who are you tomy or beach bum? pretty sad when a mod takes to a gimmick to avoid being destroyed, hey beach bum hows' that mountain of evidence doing? still think your friend here is making excellent points? You are a sad man. I am use to being targeted and ganged up on, it's the only fair way to do these things, you and your bottom bitch couldn't think your way out of a wet paper bag.
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I'm glad you pat yourself on the back for making no sense and going on a rant. You should have a snickers. You get angry when you get your ass kicked on the internet.
Now back to the point. You haven't provided a single shred of evidence that obama is a christian, and i've provided good enough reason to doubt his christianity, which means.....he may lie about his faith, which means....his faith could be something else.
No one has you ahead on points here. You can call me a moron all you want, but no one would read this conversation and assume that you produced your original mountain of evidence. You haven't produced one piece of evidence. You keep citing his biography, that you haven't read, or you would stop citing it. And you keep citing his 20 year participation in a radical black church that he abandoned. You claim he left because he didn't want emphasis placed on the church. That's not true, nor does anyone believe that is the reason he left, given the events that led to him leaving.
I understand that you are stupid and you think typing YOU FUCKING MORON in all caps makes you a winner. It doesn't. On this board, what you are doing is what we call a meltdown.
On a final note, since you are in the know on his church participation rate and locations, could you provide the churches he attended this past year and the Sundays he has missed. I wouldn't normally ask this, but you seem pretty adamant in the fact that he participates in church week in and week out, so I assume you base your assumption on actual evidence and you aren't just making stuff up. (i really don't assume that and i know you are making it up. You have no idea of which churches he attends or how regularly. You didn't even know the reason he left Rev. Wright's church. Only a complete idiot would cite that church as validation to someone's christian faith. It is led by a preacher that identifies with and defends lewis farrakhan, but you didn't know that either even though i tried to point it out to you.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/president-barack-obama-religion-113791
i found an answer for you that disputes your claim that he attends church every sunday. That is one of your key points, isn't it? Don't you liberals often cite politico? Would that be a reputable enough cite for you? I don't particularly care for it, but i'm sure you cherry pick your facts from it....
As of an article dated 12/24/14, it cites obama as attending church 19 times since taking office. Let's do the math. You say he attends every sunday. He became president in 2009, and that article is dated December of 14. There are 52 weeks in a year, meaning 52 Sundays. You keep telling me i'm a moron and one of your "facts" is his continued consistent church attendance.
19 times in that time span just doesn't seem all that regular to me, but you told me he attends every week.
So....after leaving his pro-black/african radical church, with a preacher sympathetic to Islam, he basically quit going to church. That greatly contrast your assurance that he attends regularly, every week even you said.
I'm even willing to bet if we analyze the 19 times that he attended over that span, we will find that it directly correlates with special events that will be televised.....but that can't be right, because you said he doesn't want to put the spotlight on the church and cause unwanted attention.
Now, if you were so horribly erroneous on his church attendance, I'm betting you made up all those christian things he does on a daily basis, as well as the lack of muslim things he does.
Let's be honest. I wouldn't call you stupid, but you aren't really smart. You haven't even done research on this, yet you continue to cite stuff that i can easily refute as i just did. I don't know what you are good at in real life, but internet debating isn't your thing. If i were you, I would stick to fiction. You seem to have a good handle on that.
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Now back to the point. You haven't provided a single shred of evidence that obama is a christian, and i've provided good enough reason to doubt his christianity, which means.....he may lie about his faith, which means....his faith could be something else.
ya sure buddy, not a single piece, you are done on getbig, go back to modding.
He may lie about his faith so that's reason to doubt? well no shit, people may lie, hence his actions, and others words to strengthen his words. You are just not bright, you have acted like an arrogant ass all while having to eat your own words because you can't keep our conversation in your head.
It's pointless to try, you are playing with half a deck, you can't even form a paragraph without contradicting yourself or missing the beautiful irony of your whole argument.
You said, he is not a christian, it's right there, are you blind, I can smell the inner racist wanting to come out, you started to lose control a few times, made some really ridiculous assertions, meanwhile you can think of no logical reason why a human would go to these lengths to lie? but you just have that feeling huh? he must be, I MEAN HE IS BROWN? You have no reason to suspect he is a muslim yet you assert it, you even suggest his treatment of other countries stems from his deep seeded hatred, of course, due to islamic (nice spelling dummy).
You don't even have a probable cause let alone a fucking reasonable doubt, suggesting he may be lying is not reasonable doubt, THAT'S heresay dum dum.
how do my nuts taste? how does it feel to know you had to use a gimmick account, only to be obliterated all over again? your life must suck lol. I can't imagine going through the effort of logging into another account to attack me, get real this is your only account. You went out of your way to argue with me, you even congragulated yourself in this thread, on your other account, lol.
I own your mind, you are just repeating "NOT ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE, NOT ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE", who is the autistic, you keep repeating yourself and it's unclear if you understand what you are even asking for.
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ya sure buddy, not a single piece, you are done on getbig, go back to modding.
He may lie about his faith so that's reason to doubt? well no shit, people may lie, hence his actions, and others words to strengthen his words. You are just not bright, you have acted like an arrogant ass all while having to eat your own words because you can't keep our conversation in your head.
It's pointless to try, you are playing with half a deck, you can't even form a paragraph without contradicting yourself or missing the beautiful irony of your whole argument.
You said, he is not a christian, it's right there, are you blind, I can smell the inner racist wanting to come out, you started to lose control a few times, made some really ridiculous assertions, meanwhile you can think of no logical reason why a human would go to these lengths to lie? but you just have that feeling huh? he must be, I MEAN HE IS BROWN? You have no reason to suspect he is a muslim yet you assert it, you even suggest his treatment of other countries stems from his deep seeded hatred, of course, due to islamic (nice spelling dummy).
You don't even have a probable cause let alone a fucking reasonable doubt, suggesting he may be lying is not reasonable doubt, THAT'S heresay dum dum.
how do my nuts taste? how does it feel to know you had to use a gimmick account, only to be obliterated all over again? your life must suck lol. I can't imagine going through the effort of logging into another account to attack me, get real this is your only account. You went out of your way to argue with me, you even congragulated yourself in this thread, on your other account, lol.
I own your mind, you are just repeating "NOT ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE, NOT ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE", who is the autistic, you keep repeating yourself and it's unclear if you understand what you are even asking for.
All this coming from the guy that continues to cite his weekly commitment to church, that was refuted in about 5 seconds of google. Get back to me when you actually research your claims
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slippery slope judging another man on his religious or political claims.
there are people breaking the law who lecture others on religion.
there are people who were libs for 4 or 5 decades, living that lifestyle, accusing others of being libs, because they magically decided to change up their act. drugs, sex, crime, and 5 minutes later, you want to tell others how to live?
IMO, if you want to throw stones, you need to STFU for the exact amount of time you were of that ilk. If a person lived as a morally bankrupt lib until they were 50, then decided to convert at 50, they should STFU lecturing others on how to live when they're 51. You were shit as a person and a voter for 5 decades, but since you woke up one day, you have the balls to be negative to others. The fck outta here, hypocrite.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/president-barack-obama-religion-113791
i found an answer for you that disputes your claim that he attends church every sunday. That is one of your key points, isn't it? Don't you liberals often cite politico? Would that be a reputable enough cite for you? I don't particularly care for it, but i'm sure you cherry pick your facts from it....
As of an article dated 12/24/14, it cites obama as attending church 19 times since taking office. Let's do the math. You say he attends every sunday. He became president in 2009, and that article is dated December of 14. There are 52 weeks in a year, meaning 52 Sundays. You keep telling me i'm a moron and one of your "facts" is his continued consistent church attendance.
19 times in that time span just doesn't seem all that regular to me, but you told me he attends every week.
So....after leaving his pro-black/african radical church, with a preacher sympathetic to Islam, he basically quit going to church. That greatly contrast your assurance that he attends regularly, every week even you said.
I'm even willing to bet if we analyze the 19 times that he attended over that span, we will find that it directly correlates with special events that will be televised.....but that can't be right, because you said he doesn't want to put the spotlight on the church and cause unwanted attention.
Now, if you were so horribly erroneous on his church attendance, I'm betting you made up all those christian things he does on a daily basis, as well as the lack of muslim things he does.
Let's be honest. I wouldn't call you stupid, but you aren't really smart. You haven't even done research on this, yet you continue to cite stuff that i can easily refute as i just did. I don't know what you are good at in real life, but internet debating isn't your thing. If i were you, I would stick to fiction. You seem to have a good handle on that.
Oh so now you will accept evidence? so your now disputing how often he goes to church, but you admit he does? sounds like a muslim to me brah.
I would honestly say that is more then most christians and somewhat impressive considering the pressures of his job. He has also stated (from politico) that church attendence has become a bit of a side show, it's not something he likes to do, hence moving from church to church, calling pastors for advice etc. He said this, do you believe he is lying again?
What is your fucking argument? he is clearly a fucking christian, beyond a shadow of a doubt, where is the doubt? his poor attendence to CHRISTIAN CHURCHES? why would he hide it, why? he wouldn't it would be insane, he is clearly a christian, what more do you want?
You using the same source I used to assert he is a christian is the irony you seem to miss. The same people who you believe to be so accurate regarding his attendence also stated he is a christian, you can't have it both ways, I agree with your link, thanks for proving my point. There is a mountain of evidence, you have his fucking reported attendence, his lifelong commitement, his words, others words who know him, has been for over 20 years, what is your argument?
YOUR LINK PROVES MY POINT. In an effort to find a flaw in my logic, you inadvertently proved my point, and you are to stupid to realize it, it's out there now.
You said on Page 1
"Listen you pseudo-intellectual, you have provided nothing. Zero. You apparently aren't sharp enough to see how often you make gross overstatements.
No dummy, I am patently a genius (the very best troll), you can't stand it. You have provided nothing, could you even bother to use a different statement? the exact fucking phrasing, you are a disgrace as a mod and person.
Take the same comments you just made about Muslim practices and apply them to Obama's Christianity: he doesn't go to church, he likely doesn't read the Bible, he takes positions that are contrary to Christian teachings, he makes many anti-Christian statements, etc. Should I continue?
Please do moron. You even used the same "I am not saying he is a muslim". Do you think I haven't known this from the start? I could have a lobotomy and still outsmart your ass.
Another gem
"You are the same person who said people with a high IQ don't ever lie. Just we know how sophisticated you are. "
If you read any actual research, I am positive you don't, you would know that honesty correlates very strongly with IQ, truth seeking also. Several other traits, are you autistic?
More genius from IWANTBEACHBUM
"Or the fact he:
Doesn't attend church at all- WRONG
Doesn't talk like a Christian- WRONG, Who the fuck do you think you are to decide that? are you jesus you piece of shit?
Doesn't act like a Christian- Fuck you, you arrogant bigot
Takes positions that directly contradict the Christian faith- SO DO YOU, you judgemental, moral-high ground all around shitty human. You are a liar to your core.
Could mean he's a Christian. "
I made up that he doesn't practice ramadan(most practicing christians don't), I made up that he carries a bible and prays daily according to others, himself
and his biography written by another human. You caught me bro, my comment was he lost his faith and found it the next sunday or every sunday, good job bro. You are left to arguing clearly hyperbolic statements, i was mocking you.Like I am now, there is no point in arguing with you, there is no argument to begin with, it's been over since page one, I am now just whipping you as you try to find some safe ground, something, anything to save face.
I like how you skimmed over your quotes where I pointed out your bigotry. we notice dummy.
Here we have a grown man, congratulating himself on another account, a mod no less.
"Completely agree. Well said."
This is in reference to his gimmick accounts statements.
Should we start a poll to remove Beach Bum as mod. As a mod myself I think it's quite obvious he isn't fit to be impartial, nor contribute to the content in a meaningful way. He uses gimmick accounts on the board he mods.
Want more evidence? he disappeared in this thread once using his gimmick.
WANT EVEN MORE EVIDENCE OUR RESIDENT MOD IS USING A GIMMICK?
BOTH BEACH BUM AND IWANTMASS HAVE THE SAME LOCAL TIME, ANOTHER ODD COINCIDENCE NO? you really shouldn't provoke me moron. WELL TIME ZONES ARE PRETTY LARGE YOU SAY?
WELL NOT IN HAWAII, IN FACT IT'S A VERY FUCKING SPECIFIC TIME ZONE, THEY BOTH LIVE IN HAWAII? use the same terminology, same phrases?
Also, they are never online the same time, right now mass is on, beach bum is not. another odd coincidence?
OZMO, can you look into this? This dude is a real piece of shit. Look at IWANTMASSBEACH BUMS post history, he goes around calling everyone stupid, ON THE BOARD HE MODS?
I have more info as well.
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slippery slope judging another man on his religious or political claims.
there are people breaking the law who lecture others on religion.
there are people who were libs for 4 or 5 decades, living that lifestyle, accusing others of being libs, because they magically decided to change up their act. drugs, sex, crime, and 5 minutes later, you want to tell others how to live?
IMO, if you want to throw stones, you need to STFU for the exact amount of time you were of that ilk. If a person lived as a morally bankrupt lib until they were 50, then decided to convert at 50, they should STFU lecturing others on how to live when they're 51. You were shit as a person and a voter for 5 decades, but since you woke up one day, you have the balls to be negative to others. The fck outta here, hypocrite.
I'm actually glad you joined in, as this guy needs help and while I fuck with you, you could have defended yourself way better than he has and you would never meltdown like he has.
That being said, scroll back to the very first page. You will find that I never judged obama. Scroll to the 2nd, and you will find that I think he isn't muslim. My argument is with those that find it moronic to question his christianit/islamic faith. All I've stated is that I find it reasonable to have doubts given the facts as they are
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Oh so now you will accept evidence? so your now disputing how often he goes to church, but you admit he does? sounds like a muslim to me brah.
I would honestly say that is more then most christians and somewhat impressive considering the pressures of his job. He has also stated (from politico) that church attendence has become a bit of a side show, it's not something he likes to do, hence moving from church to church, calling pastors for advice etc. He said this, do you believe he is lying again?
What is your fucking argument? he is clearly a fucking christian, beyond a shadow of a doubt, where is the doubt? his poor attendence to CHRISTIAN CHURCHES? why would he hide it, why? he wouldn't it would be insane, he is clearly a christian, what more do you want?
You using the same source I used to assert he is a christian is the irony you seem to miss. The same people who you believe to be so accurate regarding his attendence also stated he is a christian, you can't have it both ways, I agree with your link, thanks for proving my point. There is a mountain of evidence, you have his fucking reported attendence, his lifelong commitement, his words, others words who know him, has been for over 20 years, what is your argument?
YOUR LINK PROVES MY POINT. In an effort to find a flaw in my logic, you inadvertently proved my point, and you are to stupid to realize it, it's out there now.
You said on Page 1
"Listen you pseudo-intellectual, you have provided nothing. Zero. You apparently aren't sharp enough to see how often you make gross overstatements.
No dummy, I am patently a genius (the very best troll), you can't stand it. You have provided nothing, could you even bother to use a different statement? the exact fucking phrasing, you are a disgrace as a mod and person.
Take the same comments you just made about Muslim practices and apply them to Obama's Christianity: he doesn't go to church, he likely doesn't read the Bible, he takes positions that are contrary to Christian teachings, he makes many anti-Christian statements, etc. Should I continue?
Please do moron. You even used the same "I am not saying he is a muslim". Do you think I haven't known this from the start? I could have a lobotomy and still outsmart your ass.
Another gem
"You are the same person who said people with a high IQ don't ever lie. Just we know how sophisticated you are. "
If you read any actual research, I am positive you don't, you would know that honesty correlates very strongly with IQ, truth seeking also. Several other traits, are you autistic?
More genius from IWANTBEACHBUM
"Or the fact he:
Doesn't attend church at all- WRONG
Doesn't talk like a Christian- WRONG, Who the fuck do you think you are to decide that? are you jesus you piece of shit?
Doesn't act like a Christian- Fuck you, you arrogant bigot
Takes positions that directly contradict the Christian faith- SO DO YOU, you judgemental, moral-high ground all around shitty human. You are a liar to your core.
Could mean he's a Christian. "
I made up that he doesn't practice ramadan(most practicing christians don't), I made up that he carries a bible and prays daily according to others, himself
and his biography written by another human. You caught me bro, my comment was he lost his faith and found it the next sunday or every sunday, good job bro. You are left to arguing clearly hyperbolic statements, i was mocking you.Like I am now, there is no point in arguing with you, there is no argument to begin with, it's been over since page one, I am now just whipping you as you try to find some safe ground, something, anything to save face.
I like how you skimmed over your quotes where I pointed out your bigotry. we notice dummy.
Here we have a grown man, congratulating himself on another account, a mod no less.
"Completely agree. Well said."
This is in reference to his gimmick accounts statements.
Should we start a poll to remove Beach Bum as mod. As a mod myself I think it's quite obvious he isn't fit to be impartial, nor contribute to the content in a meaningful way. He uses gimmick accounts on the board he mods.
Want more evidence? he disappeared in this thread once using his gimmick.
WANT EVEN MORE EVIDENCE OUR RESIDENT MOD IS USING A GIMMICK?
BOTH BEACH BUM AND IWANTMASS HAVE THE SAME LOCAL TIME, ANOTHER ODD COINCIDENCE NO? you really shouldn't provoke me moron. WELL TIME ZONES ARE PRETTY LARGE YOU SAY?
WELL NOT IN HAWAII, IN FACT IT'S A VERY FUCKING SPECIFIC TIME ZONE, THEY BOTH LIVE IN HAWAII? use the same terminology, same phrases?
Also, they are never online the same time, right now mass is on, beach bum is not. another odd coincidence?
OZMO, can you look into this? This dude is a real piece of shit. Look at IWANTMASSBEACH BUMS post history, he goes around calling everyone stupid, ON THE BOARD HE MODS?
I have more info as well.
I don't know who you are quoting, but it isn't me. I'm not gonna take the time to dissect your post this time, as none of it applies to me. I give ozmo full permission to verify that is my only account, if that can be done.
As far as your longwinded post directed at someone else, I think somewhere in there you are backing off from the fact that he attends church regularly, even weekly. So, are you willing to admit you are lying on that point, being as it was one of your key pieces of the mountain of evidence.
While we are at it, can you tell me which of your "facts" and "evidence you will stand behind. You lose me when you flip flop on your points. That way I can focus on refuting the ones you have actually researched and not the ones you just pulled outta your ass
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I'm actually glad you joined in, as this guy needs help and while I fuck with you, you could have defended yourself way better than he has and you would never meltdown like he has.
That being said, scroll back to the very first page. You will find that I never judged obama. Scroll to the 2nd, and you will find that I think he isn't muslim. My argument is with those that find it moronic to question his christianit/islamic faith. All I've stated is that I find it reasonable to have doubts given the facts as they are
you are done here.
You never judged him? are you aware your post history is viewable?
Or you can simply go back a page of two to see how full of shit you are. Never wrong, you are an arrogant piece of shit, everyone hates you
YOUR FUCKING WORDS IDIOT. I bolded the judgemental parts in case you are to stupid to read.
"So, obama, a known liar (y you will take at his word even given his sympathy with Islam and his his increasingly distant relationship with israel; but you require the entire scientific method be tested to incriminate a fellow cop.
"One could reason that he has been sympathetic to Muslims and less than receptive to Israel. I never said any of this made him a nazi or jew hater. Those are your words intended to derail the conversation. "
"And he is not just sympathetic to islam, he is negligent to jews"-
NO JUDGEMENT HERE GUYS, THIS GUY IS NEVER WRONG EVEN WHEN HE CONTRADICTS HIMSELF. Watch as beach bum is able to simultaneously two opposing views in perfect harmony with NO, that's right, NO dissonance.
"That very preacher looks to.warm up to the likes of farrakahan and has toyed with being a Muslim in the past." oh my GOD!!!1
I am fucking OWNING you LMAO... i FEEL BAD.
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I have said all along - IMHO, obama is an athiest. He coddled up to rev wright to get community vote in Chicago. He coddled up as a christian to get national vote. He's coddling up to muslims now so he can be king of europe or whatever he has next.
religion is only a tool that he uses to get people behind him. It works, too. If ben carson is an athiest, he has 0% of the vote. He still gets 12% because a fraction of the GOP would nominate a cucumber if it was holding a bible - they care for religious beliefs, and nothing else.
so I don't think he's a muslim, I think he's just sucking up to the next groups of voters, donors, supporters he needs, for when he leaves office and maybe does speeches/books, maybe enters global politics, who knows.
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I don't know who you are quoting, but it isn't me. I'm not gonna take the time to dissect your post this time, as none of it applies to me. I give ozmo full permission to verify that is my only account, if that can be done.
As far as your longwinded post directed at someone else, I think somewhere in there you are backing off from the fact that he attends church regularly, even weekly. So, are you willing to admit you are lying on that point, being as it was one of your key pieces of the mountain of evidence.
While we are at it, can you tell me which of your "facts" and "evidence you will stand behind. You lose me when you flip flop on your points. That way I can focus on refuting the ones you have actually researched and not the ones you just pulled outta your ass
You dont know who I quoted, lol, oh my how your tune has changed?
You are done. I have far more then the clearly obvious fucking coincidences dummy. How do you explain you both are on Hawaii aleutian time? quite the fucking coincidence isn't it? using the same phrases, word for word, the same arguments, you post history even shows the topics you choose, hello Travon, hey beach how much did you love trayvon?
No verification is needed, it's you idiot. I am whipping you into a frenzy, playing you like a violin, you are my bitch, my puppet. Start scrambling!!
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Beach you even insult using IQ just like IWANTMASS
"Perfect example of why you do not have a 137 IQ. I do not debate you. I mock you. Anyone with a 137 IQ would know that"
this is beach bum referring to 240
Now I want mass
"An identical 137 on an iq test, 2 times in a row, huh? No deviation? An identical 137 2 times in a row...I don't know, i Just find that odd. Especially as you present yourself on here. You lie about everything else, so I can't imagine you lying about your iq"
Odd a new poster with only one account would know so much about 240? with only 150 posts at the time?
ANOTHER ODD COINCIDENCE, IT'S NOT HIM GUYS, IT'S HIS ONLY ACCOUNT, TRUST HIM.
Look at your posts, all political, all attacking those known to dislike or argue with BEACH BUM.
Let it sink in, your iq is really low compared to me. I can connect these dots all day. You go about your day never knowing, ahh what it must be like to be really stupid, pure bliss I would imagine.
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Beach you even insult using IQ just like IWANTMASS
"Perfect example of why you do not have a 137 IQ. I do not debate you. I mock you. Anyone with a 137 IQ would know that"
this is beach bum referring to 240
Now I want mass
"An identical 137 on an iq test, 2 times in a row, huh? No deviation? An identical 137 2 times in a row...I don't know, i Just find that odd. Especially as you present yourself on here. You lie about everything else, so I can't imagine you lying about your iq"
Odd a new poster with only one account would know so much about 240? with only 150 posts at the time?
ANOTHER ODD COINCIDENCE, IT'S NOT HIM GUYS, IT'S HIS ONLY ACCOUNT, TRUST HIM.
Look at your posts, all political, all attacking those known to dislike or argue with BEACH BUM.
Let it sink in, your iq is really low compared to me. I can connect these dots all day. You go about your day never knowing, ahh what it must be like to be really stupid, pure bliss I would imagine.
i don't know if it is beach bum. it is odd that Beach bum/dos equis isn't here, and iwantmass shows up to pick up the exact attacks. And bringing up 240 getting hit at a mall 15 years ago, that's a story an elder getbigger would know from getbig gun debates.
to be fair, a lot of people here already know who BB/DE is in real life, so he may prefer to post a little reckless and wild with another account. Doesn't bother me, I'm cool with people posting however they like. Blow off steam, it's what getbig is for. I dont know or care if any getbigger uses gimmicks, it's all just discussion and fun.
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i don't know if it is beach bum. it is odd that Beach bum/dos equis isn't here, and iwantmass shows up to pick up the exact attacks. And bringing up 240 getting hit at a mall 15 years ago, that's a story an elder getbigger would know from getbig gun debates.
to be fair, a lot of people here already know who BB/DE is in real life, so he may prefer to post a little reckless and wild with another account. Doesn't bother me, I'm cool with people posting however they like. Blow off steam, it's what getbig is for. I dont know or care if any getbigger uses gimmicks, it's all just discussion and fun.
Nah, it's beyond that, a mod shouldn't be doing it. I wouldn't, I am a mod.
It's in direct fucking contradiction to being a mod, to use gimmicks to attack posters personally on the very board you mod?
I know you are being factitious and want me to let up.
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Hey idiot? why so quiet? you are online?
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Guest 04:12:24 PM Registering for an account on the forum.
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HAHA, what a real life loser he must be.
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Nah, it's beyond that, a mod shouldn't be doing it. I wouldn't, I am a mod.
It's in direct fucking contradiction to being a mod, to use gimmicks to attack posters personally on the very board you mod?
I know you are being factitious and want me to let up.
you do have some valid points. Hugo hasn't been here in years. Ozmo shows up a few times a year for 5 minutes. BB/DE is the only moderator that shows up here.
A few weeks ago, we started calling him out for attacking people to redirect threads. Then this new account arrives with IQ attacks and posts about an old fight story I posted about a while back, from minute #1. religion & 240 attacks. huh.
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Well, I think the meltdown is official.
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Well, I think the meltdown is official.
what do you think about my obama post?
I have said all along - IMHO, obama is an athiest. He coddled up to rev wright to get community vote in Chicago. He coddled up as a christian to get national vote. He's coddling up to muslims now so he can be king of europe or whatever he has next.
religion is only a tool that he uses to get people behind him. It works, too. If ben carson is an athiest, he has 0% of the vote. He still gets 12% because a fraction of the GOP would nominate a cucumber if it was holding a bible - they care for religious beliefs, and nothing else.
so I don't think he's a muslim, I think he's just sucking up to the next groups of voters, donors, supporters he needs, for when he leaves office and maybe does speeches/books, maybe enters global politics, who knows.
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you do have some valid points. Hugo hasn't been here in years. Ozmo shows up a few times a year for 5 minutes. BB/DE is the only moderator that shows up here.
A few weeks ago, we started calling him out for attacking people to redirect threads. Then this new account arrives with IQ attacks and posts about an old fight story I posted about a white back, from minute #1. religion & 240 attacks. huh.
Both live in a very specific region, a island in the middle of the pacific, all these are very strange coincidences. These guys would be best friends, they live right next to each other, they are virtually identical in their beliefs, members they attack etc.
Hey beach/mass where are you? awfully silent for being online all of a sudden? you were writing page long dissertations just minutes ago?
Are you guys just really good friends? how often does he come over?
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Well, I think the meltdown is official.
That's all you can muster?
are you at his house right now? he lives right next door.
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you are done here.
You never judged him? are you aware your post history is viewable?
Or you can simply go back a page of two to see how full of shit you are. Never wrong, you are an arrogant piece of shit, everyone hates you
YOUR FUCKING WORDS IDIOT. I bolded the judgemental parts in case you are to stupid to read.
"So, obama, a known liar (y you will take at his word even given his sympathy with Islam and his his increasingly distant relationship with israel; but you require the entire scientific method be tested to incriminate a fellow cop.
"One could reason that he has been sympathetic to Muslims and less than receptive to Israel. I never said any of this made him a nazi or jew hater. Those are your words intended to derail the conversation. "
"And he is not just sympathetic to islam, he is negligent to jews"-
NO JUDGEMENT HERE GUYS, THIS GUY IS NEVER WRONG EVEN WHEN HE CONTRADICTS HIMSELF. Watch as beach bum is able to simultaneously two opposing views in perfect harmony with NO, that's right, NO dissonance.
"That very preacher looks to.warm up to the likes of farrakahan and has toyed with being a Muslim in the past." oh my GOD!!!1
I am fucking OWNING you LMAO... i FEEL BAD.
I don't think this judgment word means what you think it does. Learn to differentiate between observation and judgment. I can certainly judge him if you would like me to, as I don't really care for him and I do have a negative opinion of him. I try to leave my opinion out of it and stick to the facts. I know that seems foreign to you, but some of us can do it.
And the last quote is an observation of rev. Wright, not obama. He hangs with farrakhan. I didn't imply that was a negative thing. If you think it is, that is your own opinion. Although, to help you out since you are getting your ass kicked so badly, I don't care for farrakhan and I think he and all he represents is racism. That is a judgment. Nothing else.you cited was. Webster and several other sites provide online dictionaries. You should use any one of them when you are unsure what a word means
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How many people live in Hawaii?
How many people would one say post on getbig, the overall percentage of the population? .001%.
You have soul mates who share some very specific interests and they don't even know that love is right around the corner?
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what do you think about my obama post?
I'm not sure, to be honest. I wouldn't be shocked if he was an atheist, the same as if he was a muslim. I know that's a chicken shit answer, but it's all I have.
I can only speculate as to what his religion is, but I'm confident attending rev. Wright's church is certainly no strong evidence of his christianity.
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How many people live in Hawaii?
How many people would one say post on getbig, the overall percentage of the population? .001%.
You have soul mates who share some very specific interests and they don't even know that love is right around the corner?
I can absolutely assure you I don't live I hawaii. I lived in the central time zone up until 8 weeks ago. Now, I live in moutan time zone. I'm sorry I've mind fucked you so much to make you start a separate thread on this. It all.good clean fun for me. I didn't know you were so.passionate about it
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I don't think this judgment word means what you think it does. Learn to differentiate between observation and judgment. I can certainly judge him if you would like me to, as I don't really care for him and I do have a negative opinion of him. I try to leave my opinion out of it and stick to the facts. I know that seems foreign to you, but some of us can do it.
And the last quote is an observation of rev. Wright, not obama. He hangs with farrakhan. I didn't imply that was a negative thing. If you think it is, that is your own opinion. Although, to help you out since you are getting your ass kicked so badly, I don't care for farrakhan and I think he and all he represents is racism. That is a judgment. Nothing else.you cited was. Webster and several other sites provide online dictionaries. You should use any one of them when you are unsure what a word means
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You are really going to try and argue now? lololol. This is actually really fun, lol. I have never seen someone get owned into oblivion this quickly.
You formed an opinion on the observation, that's a judgement. Listen little fella, you can just stop now, you have nothing left, no one cares what you have to say, you have been exposed and beaten like a whore in public. I have made you eat, EAT your OWN words. You then can't admit fault (as you are an arrogant girl) and claim I simply do not understand judgement vs observation, more evidence of you superiority.
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You are just not good enough, you aren't built with the shit I am built with, you think getbig is your ally, you merely started posting on getbig. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the another forum until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but blinding homo.
I won, we are keeping points, it's getbig fruit, that's the point.
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You are really going to try and argue now? lololol. This is actually really fun, lol. I have never seen someone get owned into oblivion this quickly.
You formed an opinion on the observation, that's a judgement. Listen little fella, you can just stop now, you have nothing left, no one cares what you have to say, you have been exposed and beaten like a whore in public. I have made you eat, EAT your OWN words. You then can't admit fault (as you are an arrogant girl) and claim I simply do not understand judgement vs observation, more evidence of you superiority.
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You are just not good enough, you aren't built with the shit I am built with, you think getbig is your ally, you merely started posting on getbig. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the another forum until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but blinding homo.
I won, we are keeping points, it's getbig fruit, that's the point.
Should I follow you to your meltdown thread? It looks like this one is done.
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I can absolutely assure you I don't live I hawaii. I lived in the central time zone up until 8 weeks ago. Now, I live in moutan time zone. I'm sorry I've mind fucked you so much to make you start a separate thread on this. It all.good clean fun for me. I didn't know you were so.passionate about it
Maybe you moved from Hawaii, it still says Hawaii, you are both on the same time?
It's fun for me also, that's the point, it would be a lot of fun to out a shitbag like you, I would enjoy it. Nothing passionate, I just smoked a huge bowl and am watching a game right now.
PROTIP, how to spot a liar.
They will often give you extra detail often useless to add validity, "I was on central time up until 8 weeks ago". lol. that must mean you're telling the truth!!
I know it's you, you know it, just be a man.I am giving you a taste of the education you choose to never pursue, your claims are scrutinized, picked apart, you can't lie to me sweety.
I am more interested and think it will be FUN when you respond to the other thread as your actual account. I enjoy, I have fun wrecking liars, assholes and sub 150 IQ people. Intellectual shit, piecing shit together, thinking is what I do, sorry you had to feel the power bro, you can ask me to turn down for what if you like.
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Should I follow you to your meltdown thread? It looks like this one is done.
You fucking moron
"don't think this judgment word means what you think it does. Learn to differentiate between observation and judgment. I can certainly judge him if you would like me to, as I don't really care for him and I do have a negative opinion of him. I try to leave my opinion out of it and stick to the facts. I know that seems foreign to you, but some of us can do it."
Are you that fucking stupid, you just contradicted yourself, you have judged him you do have an opinion aka a judgement. An observation would be he bombs isis, your judgement might be he doesn't like them, that's an opinion.
If you have A NEGATIVE opinion, you are judging him, negatively.
Like what is left to say? you can;t really believe you are winning here? surely you must want to save face? just stop.
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You fucking moron
"don't think this judgment word means what you think it does. Learn to differentiate between observation and judgment. I can certainly judge him if you would like me to, as I don't really care for him and I do have a negative opinion of him. I try to leave my opinion out of it and stick to the facts. I know that seems foreign to you, but some of us can do it."
Are you that fucking stupid, you just contradicted yourself, you have judged him you do have an opinion aka a judgement. An observation would be he bombs isis, your judgement might be he doesn't like them, that's an opinion.
If you have A NEGATIVE opinion, you are judging him, negatively.
Like what is left to say? you can;t really believe you are winning here? surely you must want to save face? just stop.
Wipe the tears out of your eyes and reread what I posted. I told you I will gladly judge him if you would like, but I certain't haven't as it pertains to this thread or even this board. Unlike you, I leave my opinion out of things and look at both sides of the arguments.
Thats the way a successful debate works. That's why I provide facts and you provide shit jaded by your point of view. If you followed this model, you wouldn't have gotten your ass kicked on the Internet board.
I'm glad you're fond of thumping yourself on the chest and declaring yourself as the winner, but it just isn't reality.
Let's see, you've tried Andre's approach of declaring you owned and destroyed me
You've tried calling me a racist and a bigot.
You've tried calling me a gimmick
You've tried calling me the gimmick of a mod and having me banned
I'm none of those things. I'm just some.random guy that you happened to challenge, and I made you look like shit.
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Maybe you moved from Hawaii, it still says Hawaii, you are both on the same time?
It's fun for me also, that's the point, it would be a lot of fun to out a shitbag like you, I would enjoy it. Nothing passionate, I just smoked a huge bowl and am watching a game right now.
PROTIP, how to spot a liar.
They will often give you extra detail often useless to add validity, "I was on central time up until 8 weeks ago". lol. that must mean you're telling the truth!!
I know it's you, you know it, just be a man.I am giving you a taste of the education you choose to never pursue, your claims are scrutinized, picked apart, you can't lie to me sweety.
I am more interested and think it will be FUN when you respond to the other thread as your actual account. I enjoy, I have fun wrecking liars, assholes and sub 150 IQ people. Intellectual shit, piecing shit together, thinking is what I do, sorry you had to feel the power bro, you can ask me to turn down for what if you like.
Thinking may be what you like to do, but that doesn't mean you are good at it. I like to Playa game of basketball here and there but I am awful at it.
You would have more success if you lowered your below 150 iq standard to below 100.
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Wipe the tears out of your eyes and reread what I posted. I told you I will gladly judge him if you would like, but I certain't haven't as it pertains to this thread or even this board. Unlike you, I leave my opinion out of things and look at both sides of the arguments.
Yes you have, you called him a liar, are you not well in the head?
Thats the way a successful debate works. That's why I provide facts and you provide shit jaded by your point of view. If you followed this model, you wouldn't have gotten your ass kicked on the Internet board.
Ok champ, go over to your friends house. You provide facts like I didn't make a judgement but have a negative opinion of him. I am smarter then you, you won;t win, ever, I will start to help you from this point on.
I'm glad you're fond of thumping yourself on the chest and declaring yourself as the winner, but it just isn't reality.
Yes, it's objective reality, go through the thread, I shit on everything you said, used your own words to make you look like a fool
Let's see, you've tried Andre's approach of declaring you owned and destroyed me
No i owned you and destroyed you page after page with your own words, you look like a fool, you will no longer be taken seriously, this account is done, the fun you claim to have is over
You've tried calling me a racist and a bigot.
I didn't try, I did.
You've tried calling me a gimmick
You are
You've tried calling me the gimmick of a mod and having me banned
I don't want you banned i jsut want you demodded, you suck at it. This board has high traffic, you are a blight.
I'm none of those things. I'm just some.random guy that you happened to challenge, and I made you look like shit.
Ya a random Hawaiian, who brings up the same exact arguments to insult the same exact posters on the same board and you just came to getbig? You are no random dude, that is another obvious lie that just piles the evidence on you. So random you know arguments from years ago? Reality check, 240 is far smarter then you, anyone posting here would agree. UR DUN
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Thinking may be what you like to do, but that doesn't mean you are good at it. I like to Playa game of basketball here and there but I am awful at it.
You would have more success if you lowered your below 150 iq standard to below 100.
Well son, if I am no good at thinking you must be nearing potato level based on the beating you are getting. You didn't address the point? another concession?
Anything else I can help you with? any school work or problems you need solved?
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At this rate, I will soon meet andre's 2000 post requirement. I agree with you, 240 seems intelligent. You on the otherhand do not. You need to pop a Valium and calm down. I just beat you on the internet, I didn't screw your wife/significant other in real life
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Well son, if I am no good at thinking you must be nearing potato level based on the beating you are getting. You didn't address the point? another concession?
Anything else I can help you with? any school work or problems you need solved?
You haven't made a point. I've proven you wrong multpile times now. The most recent being your lie that obama attended church every week for the last twenty years. If he even had an 80% attendance rste, we could even give you credit, but it is nowhere close..
Then we get to dealing with your small vocabulary. You don't understand the difference between small things like observation and judgment.
Then when I decipher what judgment is for you, you still don't comprehend that a person may be judgmental of soemthing without applying said jdgment to a given argument.
I don't know who told you that you were intelligent, your mother maybe? You have problems with basic comprehension and chronological order. Oh boy, and then when you tried throwing in the scientific method, that just made for pure comedy
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At this rate, I will soon meet andre's 2000 post requirement. I agree with you, 240 seems intelligent. You on the otherhand do not. You need to pop a Valium and calm down. I just beat you on the internet, I didn't screw your wife/significant other in real life
lol, I am high as all hell on my back I couldn't be more calm. you want mercy, now you are cool with 240? what about when you said you mock him and he was stupid? you literally have called him stupid at least 20 times.
You can;t save face, you are an asshole. Look at your post history, it's pure fucking hate. You literally only attack a handful of posters, no agenda there. I mean you can spot obama's hidden islamism from international geopolitics but you can't piece together your gimmick hasn't worked?
the only thing you beat is my dick as it exploded on your tits.
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At this rate, I will soon meet andre's 2000 post requirement. I agree with you, 240 seems intelligent. You on the otherhand do not. You need to pop a Valium and calm down. I just beat you on the internet, I didn't screw your wife/significant other in real life
You have mocked 240 many times ridiculing his intellect, iq etc..
If you are gonna be an asshole at least be an honest one.
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You haven't made a point. I've proven you wrong multpile times now. The most recent being your lie that obama attended church every week for the last twenty years. If he even had an 80% attendance rste, we could even give you credit, but it is nowhere close..
You are attacking a very peripheral aspect of my whole argument, my comment was in a mocking manner, do you want the quote?
Then we get to dealing with your small vocabulary. You don't understand the difference between small things like observation and judgment.
an opinion is a judgement, you said you have a negative opinion of him, what am I missing? an observation is not an opinion, saying it's negative or positive is a judgement
Then when I decipher what judgment is for you, you still don't comprehend that a person may be judgmental of soemthing without applying said jdgment to a
given argument.
Didn't say they couldn't, quote me , or keep lying, no one cares at this point. You said you haven't judged obama once, you called him a proven liar, you said you had a negative opinion. You are now creating a strawman, saying that I claimed that one cannot withhold judgement to be objective, bullshit, i claimed no such thing, another fantasy like obama being a muslim you bigot.
I don't know who told you that you were intelligent, your mother maybe? You have problems with basic comprehension and chronological order. Oh boy, and then when you tried throwing in the scientific method, that just made for pure comedy
lol, ok bro, you done eating your own words? want me to put some in the fridge for tomorrow?
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You have mocked 240 many times ridiculing his intellect, iq etc..
If you are gonna be an asshole at least be an honest one.
He is trying to save face, this is a Beach bum classic.
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You have mocked 240 many times ridiculing his intellect, iq etc..
If you are gonna be an asshole at least be an honest one.
Look over my entire limited post history. I don't recall my exact words to 240, but I'll give you a rundown of the people I've posted against
240: I think he is a liar but I do think he is intelligent
Andreisdaman: average intelligent and biased to all things black
Strawman:not sure on his intelligence, but I have called him stupid. Highly biased to the left. Blindly so
Necrosis: I'm gonna leave this guy alone. He is average intelligence at best but as emotionally fragile as any woman I've ever met. You know he's having a meltdown here.
I may have exchanged a few words with you. Not sure nor do I care to look
I'm sorry you mistake my Internet banter as literal. I just provided you my honest assessment of a few posters so that cn be taken literally.
I also fuck with 240 about getting slapped in the face 15 years ago....because he doesn't care
Follow my post history and you will find I'm one of the few people that will actually agree with some liberal points. I'm actually one of the more honest people on this political board
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Look over my entire limited post history. I don't recall my exact words to 240, but I'll give you a rundown of the people I've posted against
240: I think he is a liar but I do think he is intelligent
Andreisdaman: average intelligent and biased to all things black
Strawman:not sure on his intelligence, but I have called him stupid. Highly biased to the left. Blindly so
Necrosis: I'm gonna leave this guy alone. He is average intelligence at best but as emotionally fragile as any woman I've ever met. You know he's having a meltdown here.
I may have exchanged a few words with you. Not sure nor do I care to look
I'm sorry you mistake my Internet banter as literal. I just provided you my honest assessment of a few posters so that cn be taken literally.
I also fuck with 240 about getting slapped in the face 15 years ago....because he doesn't care
Follow my post history and you will find I'm one of the few people that will actually agree with some liberal points. I'm actually one of the more honest people on this political board
Just shut up now..