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whats the point of running them together? Isn't Deca...Test in essence? Why not just double Test....is there a benefit with DECA?
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Wat....
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Deca has many good properties. Androgenic/anabolic ratio of 37/125, converts to dhn instead of dht...so easier on hair, skin and prostate.
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whats the point of running them together? Isn't Deca...Test in essence? Why not just double Test....is there a benefit with DECA?
I use it with test, better gains and almost no sides
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bump...
still the same question "If deca is very similar to test why run them together?"
I am thinking running test 200 cyp and 200 deca weekly for 12 weeks....currently I run only 200 cyp weekly.
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Why run them together? Because Arnold fucking did it look at him no further questions bitch
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Why run them together? Because Arnold fucking did it look at him no further questions bitch
lol says who ?
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Deca is not the same as test for me.
In my experience:
I've only use NPP but nandrolone is nandrolone
(1) Rounder, fuller looking muscles
(2) No muscle soreness even after intense workouts. I only took rest days for nervous system to recover
(3) Faster heart rate
(4) Night sweats if I don't take prami, caber
(5) studies have shown it causes heart enlargement, cardiac remodelling, and 11x more damage to blood vessels than test (which is why i stopped using it)
(6) Some effect on lipids but not as much as tren
(7) Much better mass builder for me than test
(8) Potential deca dick (never got it, but big big thing depending on your relationship status/type of job)
Test:
(1) Thickness like nothing else. 500 mg of test gives me more thickness than 2g of npp (yes I tried this npp dose for a while just to see what it was like). It's really an unmistakeable thickness that makes you look powerful. I can't really describe it. I think Jizmo has the same experience
(2) Shit load more strength than equivalent amount of deca or more
(3) No joint lubrication properties
(4) Worse skin quality. DOn't know why test just makes me look a little older/rugged. Also more acne
(5) No muscle shape influencing qualities. With test you basically become a bigger version of yourself. Whereas with something like NPP I can see delts growing more in proportion to growth of other body parts. 19-nors really seem to blow up my delts, don't know why
(6) more aggressive mental state and drive
(7) Increased DHT increases raises my BP a lot. NPP doesn't really raise my BP that much
(8) test is a good mass retainer for me but not so much a mass builder. I found that I have to use higher anabolics to build, then use test to maintain
these observations are for each compound individually. I think the best for mass and some nice shape would be test and deca together
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This isn't a goddamn college exam I don't need to post a fucking link to a credited source to prove Arnold took test and deca lol
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I've been using deca/npp with a decent test base for the last 5 years on and off. My blood pressure is fine my resting heart rate gets a little high at times. I do a lot of cardio to keep my heart in shape so far no damage I'm still fairly young though. I plan on using this stack for a few more years. When I'm 35 I'll switch to a more conservative test primo stack. Nandro gives roundness like nothing else. You want to have huge arms and fill out your t-shirts deca/npp with a good test base is where it's at. Very little sides. If I used as much tren or equipose as I have nandro and test I would probably have serious health complications. They both give me scary sides. Super high bp anxiety paranoia anger outbursts. As far as im concerned test and deca is the safest stack out there. I used test mast stack for a long time but i was missing that added roundness. When I added npp for the first time I didn't want to stop.
My doses are fairly conservative I only need 300-500 npp to get the look or 600 deca. Test does rarely goes over 750. Want to look sharp for summer lower carbs add masteron.
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Deca is not the same as test for me.
In my experience:
I've only use NPP but nandrolone is nandrolone
(1) Rounder, fuller looking muscles
(2) No muscle soreness even after intense workouts. I only took rest days for nervous system to recover
(3) Faster heart rate
(4) Night sweats if I don't take prami, caber
(5) studies have shown it causes heart enlargement, cardiac remodelling, and 11x more damage to blood vessels than test (which is why i stopped using it)
(6) Some effect on lipids but not as much as tren
(7) Much better mass builder for me than test
(8) Potential deca dick (never got it, but big big thing depending on your relationship status/type of job)
Test:
(1) Thickness like nothing else. 500 mg of test gives me more thickness than 2g of npp (yes I tried this npp dose for a while just to see what it was like). It's really an unmistakeable thickness that makes you look powerful. I can't really describe it. I think Jizmo has the same experience
(2) Shit load more strength than equivalent amount of deca or more
(3) No joint lubrication properties
(4) Worse skin quality. DOn't know why test just makes me look a little older/rugged. Also more acne
(5) No muscle shape influencing qualities. With test you basically become a bigger version of yourself. Whereas with something like NPP I can see delts growing more in proportion to growth of other body parts. 19-nors really seem to blow up my delts, don't know why
(6) more aggressive mental state and drive
(7) Increased DHT increases raises my BP a lot. NPP doesn't really raise my BP that much
(8) test is a good mass retainer for me but not so much a mass builder. I found that I have to use higher anabolics to build, then use test to maintain
these observations are for each compound individually. I think the best for mass and some nice shape would be test and deca together
Well done! Spot on
Why the hell does deca cause drenching night sweats?!?
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This isn't a goddamn college exam I don't need to post a fucking link to a credited source to prove Arnold took test and deca lol
LOL!
Test and deca go together like peanut butter and jam.
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LOL!
Test and deca go together like peanut butter and jam.
Been that away for decades. Lol.
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Been that away for decades. Lol.
Best mass builders with minimal sides
I add deca to test for more mass but less androgenic sides (hair loss, acne etc)
I can run 400 mg each (800 mg weekly) and have little to no sides and great gains
If I do 500 test I get acne, shedding etc.
Like someone says above, I can eat a peanut butter sandwich, but peanut butter and jelly is just much better
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What do you guys think of 100mgs of test e stacked with 500mgs of deca a week? Testosterone over 150mgs tends to give me acne and I don't really get acne from deca.
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What do you guys think of 100mgs of test e stacked with 500mgs of deca a week? Testosterone over 150mgs tends to give me acne and I don't really get acne from deca.
I did that and didn't gain much. Got drenching night sweats and severe depression and anxiety (never a history of it)... Sounded good to me, but I would never do it again.. Took forever to recover from
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Did you take prami or caber along with it? Those are some odd side effects for deca it seems like.
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Did you take prami or caber along with it? Those are some odd side effects for deca it seems like.
No, I took arimidex which William levylln told me to do...
Sides not crazy, most complain of night sweats... Depression and most other sides are common cause you drop your natural test to 0... I also was off all test for a month during the deca cycle cause I was paranoid about hair loss...
Like I said, sounds good but I'll advices
Much recommend if adrogenic sides are an issue: test 500 plus finasteride plus an AI
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Interesting I will keep all that in mind and look into finasteride. I found a decent ammount of people on forums that ran about 100mgs-200mgs of test with around 500mgs of deca and they had no problems. If I do try the cycle I'll stop it if I start to get the symptoms you described. They all claim that if estrogen and prolactin is kept under control that there should be no bad side effects. I am just experiencing some joint pain after crashing my estrogen so I figured some deca could possibly help to lubricate my joints back to normal and maybe help with some healing in my joints if I messed them up. It's been 2 weeks since I quit arimidex and my joints still hurt so deca might help I figured.
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Interesting I will keep all that in mind and look into finasteride. I found a decent ammount of people on forums that ran about 100mgs-200mgs of test with around 500mgs of deca and they had no problems. If I do try the cycle I'll stop it if I start to get the symptoms you described. They all claim that if estrogen and prolactin is kept under control that there should be no bad side effects. I am just experiencing some joint pain after crashing my estrogen so I figured some deca could possibly help to lubricate my joints back to normal and maybe help with some healing in my joints if I messed them up. It's been 2 weeks since I quit arimidex and my joints still hurt so deca might help I figured.
I've done what u said but honestly, much better gains with 400 test a week
Joint pains, just add 200 deca for joint relief
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Lol by the way your signature at the bottom of your posts has made me laugh for a while.
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Lee priest only uses 200mg deca and he made great gains over the year... and on off season he is completely natty (y)
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Lee priest only uses 200mg deca and he made great gains over the year... and on off season he is completely natty (y)
you forgot about the 1-2 winny tabs a day
THATS what gives the gains :D
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Lol by the way your signature at the bottom of your posts has made me laugh for a while.
I will say this though...
My first cycle via HRt was 200 test weekly and 300 deca... Worked great, no sides... But that was about 8 years ago, much younger then
My issues really came up when I dropped the test altogether for a few months... Didn't have any sides, just got depressed etc... But I really didn't gain much
Now days, 400 test a week does wonders, gain about 20 lbm with basically no sides... The arimidex keeps water gains low
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you forgot about the 1-2 winny tabs a day
THATS what gives the gains :D
2 ! :o , what a drug addict that priest guy is
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more potent if you booty bump them. increased toxcity though
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Lol stickem up your ass?^^
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these 2 compounds plus drol or dbol were Doz's and Kev's bread and butter cycles, at rather moderate doses i might add
DY: Let me stress this is not a recommendation to anyone, only what I used. This would be the course I followed circa 1993 in the final 12 weeks before the Mr. O contest:
WEEKLY
test propionate 300 milligrams
Parabolan (French trenbolone, came in 76 mg/ml ampoules) 152 milligrams
Primobolan 500 milligrams
DAILY
anavar 50 milligrams
growth hormone 8 IU
I typically also did three eight-week cycles in the off-season, and those would be made up of basics like Deca and D-bol. I would do four weeks at peak dosage, then taper down over the next four weeks before taking four weeks off and repeating. Here is the typical four-week peak off-season cycle:
WEEKLY
testosterone 750 milligrams
Deca 500 milligrams
DAILY
Dianabol 50 milligrams
As I stated a couple of years back when I put those in my column, Im sorry if these doses disappoint those of you who were expecting something more extreme.
KL: It was a simple progression. My very first cycle was just test cyp, one shot a week. I am guessing I was doing 400 milligrams per week. After I won my state show and decided I wanted to turn pro, which I did the following year, I bumped things up a bit. I took the test up to 600 milligrams a week, and added in 400 milligrams of Deca and two Anadrols a day, which is 100 milligrams per day or 700 milligrams per week. That was my off-season cycle where I put on 30 pounds between the 1990 and 1991 amateur shows. For my prep, I would add in two amps of Winstrol V, which came in 50-milligram amps, twice a week, so thats 200 milligrams a week of Winny. At four weeks out from the show, I dropped the test, the Deca and the Anadrol. The test and Deca were long-acting, so they kept working for another couple of weeks Im sure. At two weeks out from the show, I started taking 20 milligrams per day of Halotestin tabs. So I would go into the shows on Winstrol and Halo. The longest my cycles ever were was 12 weeks, and that was later on. They were usually eight weeks in the early years.
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yeah no ;)
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What do you guys think of 100mgs of test e stacked with 500mgs of deca a week? Testosterone over 150mgs tends to give me acne and I don't really get acne from deca.
What do others think of this?
I'm having some hair shedding on test 400...
Was thinking 200 test a week and 400 deca with either tbol or anavar added... I think that would be a good hair friendly cycle... Follow that cycle by test only for 4-5 weeks
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What do others think of this?
I'm having some hair shedding on test 400...
Was thinking 200 test a week and 400 deca with either tbol or anavar added... I think that would be a good hair friendly cycle... Follow that cycle by test only for 4-5 weeks
Awesome, do it!
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Awesome, do it!
Lol! Love your sarcasm!
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Lol! Love your sarcasm!
;D
I think that will be my "go to" reply now instead of flaming up!
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What do others think of this?
I'm having some hair shedding on test 400...
Was thinking 200 test a week and 400 deca with either tbol or anavar added... I think that would be a good hair friendly cycle... Follow that cycle by test only for 4-5 weeks
Seems like it should cut down on the hair shedding problem. I would give it a try with NPP in case you get bad sides like you did last time from high deca low testosterone.
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Seems like it should cut down on the hair shedding problem. I would give it a try with NPP in case you get bad sides like you did last time from high deca low testosterone.
But when my first cycle was deca 300 and test 200, I had no sides and looked great. No acne, no shedding, no deca dick at all.
I think I'm going for deca 400, test 300 and add in var or tbol
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That seems like a decent plan I would personally add in the orals towards the end of the cycle so you can see how you respond to the deca and test at those dosages before adding in anything else.
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I wonder If you build your stack on mainly Deca/NPP and very low dose Test maybe <100mg can one get really dry aswell or is the "DHN" less potent in hardening one up.
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I'm running test e/npp/eq 150/700/600 right now. Just switched from my bulk stack deca test eq to this. I am also running 10iu gh a day with it. I am amazed how full, and pumped this compound makes me. Even on DNP/T3, I should be flat.. I am using clen with it too (helps with blood flow/pump i find).
I use to be the biggest tren advocate, use to be addicted to that compound and praise it. I wish i never touched it and used npp or deca instead from the start with some eq. The compound makes me look amazing, bigger, rounder and fuller. I just love it. Nearly no more acne. I use to pop 10-20 zits a day on tren. Npp gives me 1-3 a week, and for me it means alot. Hair is growing back from what i lost from my tren abuse. My mood is simply amazing, my libido is great with caber, and i use 12.5mg asin to combat the little estrogen eq and npp release. On off season i would not mind higher estrogen, but on my cut I rather keep it lower because fat loss becomes faster and better.
I cannot wait to start eating carbs again on NPP!!!! I will blow up! I already look so much bigger and ALOT better than before, even better than the fkn 1g+ tren abuse i was doing... Heck! I am not even using orals and i am vascular as hell from 450-600 eq, health is at a much better position than it use to be.
Only reason i keep my test on the low end on my cut is because it gives me oily skin, a bit more acne and I am using more npp instead to reap enough fullness. If i could, i would definitly run 500-1g test with my stack. Test is a must if you don't have skin issues or don't mind the hairloss. I would grow so much on high test and moderate deca eq.
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Second injection of test 200/ deca 200 x7 days don't feel a lick of difference
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Second injection of test 200/ deca 200 x7 days don't feel a lick of difference
You should be huge and ripped by now. Your stuff must be fake!
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You should be huge and ripped by now. Your stuff must be fake!
I know....WTF