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Former Auschwitz medic, 95, who now has dementia to stand trial over deaths of 3,600 people in Nazi extermination camp
An elderly man who served as an S.S. medic at the Nazi extermination camp of Auschwitz - and who was on duty when teenage diarist Anne Frank was sent there - will stand trial on charges of complicity in mass murder next month.
Proceedings against Hubert Zafke will begin on February 29 in Neubrandenburg near Berlin. Zafke, 95, was examined by psychiatric doctors last year appointed by a court in Rostock and judged mentally sound enough to answer for his role in the murders of 3,681 people.
Zafke served at the premier Nazi extermination facility in Nazi occupied Poland as a medic and claims he took no part in the estimated 1.2 million murders of Jews and others that took place there.
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Former Auschwitz medic, 95, who now has dementia to stand trial over deaths of 3,600 people in Nazi extermination camp
Hubert Zafke, 95, served as S.S. medic at Nazi extermination camp
He was on duty when diarist Anne Frank was sent there
Indictment says prisoners were gassed while Zafke was on duty
In 1948, Zafke was sentenced to three years in jail because of his S.S. membership
By Allan Hall In Berlin for MailOnline
Published: 14:29 EST, 18 January 2016 | Updated: 16:41 EST, 18 January 2016
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An elderly man who served as an S.S. medic at the Nazi extermination camp of Auschwitz - and who was on duty when teenage diarist Anne Frank was sent there - will stand trial on charges of complicity in mass murder next month.
Proceedings against Hubert Zafke will begin on February 29 in Neubrandenburg near Berlin. Zafke, 95, was examined by psychiatric doctors last year appointed by a court in Rostock and judged mentally sound enough to answer for his role in the murders of 3,681 people.
Zafke served at the premier Nazi extermination facility in Nazi occupied Poland as a medic and claims he took no part in the estimated 1.2 million murders of Jews and others that took place there.
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Hubert Zafke served as S.S. medic at Auschwitz Nazi extermination camp and was on duty when Jewish diarist Anne Frank arrived
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Hubert Zafke served as S.S. medic at Auschwitz Nazi extermination camp and was on duty when Jewish diarist Anne Frank arrived
Zafke was sentenced by a Polish court because of his S.S. membership to three years in jail, returning to Neubrandenburg in Germany after serving his time
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Zafke was sentenced by a Polish court because of his S.S. membership to three years in jail, returning to Neubrandenburg in Germany after serving his time
The indictment says that prisoners in the medical block at Auschwitz-Birkenau - the part of the camp where the gas chambers were located - were murdered while Zafke was on duty.
According to the indictment Zafke is accused of knowing that he worked in an extermination camp and that he was 'supportive of the running of this extermination camp.'
They added; 'Given his awareness, the accused lent support to the organisation of the camp and was thereby both involved in and advanced the extermination with these cruel and insidious killings of at least 3,681 people.'
In 1948 he was sentenced by a Polish court because of his S.S. membership to three years in jail, returning to Neubrandenburg in Germany after serving his time.
Zafka was present when Anne Frank came in on a train from Holland's Westerbork concentration camp on September 5 1944 carrying 498 men, 442 women and 79 children.
In all, say prosecutors, work rosters found bearing his name show he was present when 14 trains bringing prisoners arrived at the complex that was part death camp, part slave labour facility.
Anne, whose memoir of a life in hiding from the Nazis became the single most poignant piece of Holocaust literature, was later transferred to the Belsen concentration camp in Germany where she died early in 1945.
Although classed as a medic, such personnel at Auschwitz were not concerned with the health of inmates, but often poured in the Zyklon-B pesticide crystals into the gas chamber to murder them.
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The indictment shows that Zafke, who now lives in the tiny village of Gnevkow north of Berlin, joined the Hitler Youth when he was a teenager in his hometown of Schoenau, which now lies in Poland.
The son of a farmer, he attended high school and an agricultural college intending to follow in his father's footsteps. In 1933, aged 13, he joined the Hitler Youth and six years later was in the S.S.
He received his grounding in concentration camp training at Dachau, the first of the Nazi camps where 36,000 people were murdered during its 12 years of operation.
As a junior squad leader - a rank usually given to men singled out as future officer material - Zafke transferred to Auschwitz in the summer of 1944. He is charged with being accomplice to the murders of the 3,681 victims between August 14 and September 14, 1944.
Prosecutors said: 'He is not charged with any single specific murder but as a functionary in the Nazi murder machine which he enabled.'
Auschwitz was liberated by the Red Army on January 27 1945, now World Holocaust Day, but Zafke had already gone west and fell into British hands.
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He was later transferred back to Poland where he was given his jail sentence in 1948 for his membership in the S.S. and service at Auschwitz. He returned to Germany, married and fathered four sons in Gnevekow.
He made a career out of manufacturing and selling agricultural products including pesticides like Zyklon B.
Gnevkow lay in former East Germany. When the wall fell and archives in Poland, East Germany and former Soviet Russia became accessible, he came on to the radar of Nazi hunters.
The verdict against John Demnjanjuk, a former guard at the Sobibor death camp in occupied Poland, in 2011 paved the way for Zafke's prosecution. Demjanjuk was sentenced to five years in jail for his part in the murders of 28,000 Dutch Jews.
It was the first time that there did not have to be specific eyewitness evidence against an individual: the mere fact he was present in the camp was enough for a guilty verdict.
Zafke does not deny his service at Auschwitz but claims: 'I heard nothing, saw nothing, killed no-one.'
Last year Oskar Groening, 94, was sentenced i Germany to four years behind bars for his role in the murders of 300,000 people while he served as a guard at Auschwitz.
Cases against three more former Auschwitz guards, one of them a woman, are pending, a further nine are under investigation.
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Is this newsworthy?
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You know. Eventually there will be no one possibly alive from that era.
Then what are the Nazi Hunter groups going to do?
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Geez...so much killing. :(
This vid helps explain things:
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I'm half Jewish and would love to say that justice will finally be served and all that. But this is a 95 year old man with dementia... Somehow it just doesn't have the same effect. The guy is like a year away from death, what's the point now?
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You know. Eventually there will be no one possibly alive from that era.
Then what are the Nazi Hunter groups going to do?
grandkids of former Nazis...the hunt will continue for generations.....
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I'm half Jewish and would love to say that justice will finally be served and all that. But this is a 95 year old man with dementia... Somehow it just doesn't have the same effect. The guy is like a year away from death, what's the point now?
Yup, it's retarded.
Let him be.
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grandkids of former Nazis...the hunt will continue for generations.....
You truly think so?
At that point, the world at large will be disgusted by trying to find a child guilty for the sins of the father.
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I'm half Jewish and would love to say that justice will finally be served and all that. But this is a 95 year old man with dementia... Somehow it just doesn't have the same effect. The guy is like a year away from death, what's the point now?
Here's the point: that no matter how much TIME passes, if you took part in the evil that was the holocaust, you WILL be found and you WILL be punished. End of story. Dementia or not, this nazi did what he did, knew what he did, and lived for decades while he was either directly or indirectly responsible for the deaths of many people. He lived in fear, even though he was free, fear of being caught. Which he eventually was. This is justice.
Is it pointless now?...what possible reason could you put a demented 95 year old nazi in jail? To let people know that justice exists, that as long as there are people hunting these assholes, there is no rest, nowhere to hide.
I think it's great news. Won't do a damn for the harm he's caused, but justice has been served.
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He's 95 with dementia. You can't stick him in a regular prison. Even if you sent him to a secluded prison, he will most likely not know where he is.
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He's 95 with dementia. You can't stick him in a regular prison. Even if you sent him to a secluded prison, he will most likely not know where he is.
Yeah, justice is not just for the victims, but also the criminal.
There is certainly nothing you can do to a 95 year old with dementia that is going to matter.
Even death is just a sweet release at this point.
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You know. Eventually there will be no one possibly alive from that era.
Then what are the Nazi Hunter groups going to do?
Start looking for living German supporters of the Nazis.
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Yeah, justice is not just for the victims, but also the criminal.
There is certainly nothing you can do to a 95 year old with dementia that is going to matter.
Even death is just a sweet release at this point.
I mean, the victims or their families may still have some peace knowing that he was at least recognized in his role of killing 3,600 people.
But to hold a trial and possibly send him to prison seems a little out of hand at his age, especially with dementia. Dudes going to sit in the court room and be staring into "space."
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Start looking for living German supporters of the Nazis.
Sounds problematic doesn't it?
I mean, the victims or their families may still have some peace knowing that he was at least recognized in his role of killing 3,600 people.
But to hold a trial and possibly send him to prison seems a little out of hand at his age, especially with dementia. Dudes going to sit in the court room and be staring into "space."
It just seems like a lot of money spent on something with no reasonable outcome now.
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You know. Eventually there will be no one possibly alive from that era.
Then what are the Nazi Hunter groups going to do?
Look for Bigfoots.
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Sounds problematic doesn't it?
It just seems like a lot of money spent on something with no reasonable outcome now.
Not if the goal is to make sure people never forget.
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Not if the goal is to make sure people never forget.
You can't just convict people of crimes they didn't commit though.
Do you think the world will allow something like this?
I ask honestly because I just can't imagine.
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Not if the goal is to make sure people never forget.
That's a razors edge there.
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That's a razors edge there.
Exactly.
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You can't just convict people of crimes they didn't commit though.
Do you think the world will allow something like this?
I ask honestly because I just can't imagine.
Yes. I can 100% see someone being tried for supplying gas, pipes, cement, food, tools, etc... to camps and hearing references to Anne Frank forever.
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That's a razors edge there.
It only cuts in one direction.
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It only cuts in one direction.
The wrong direction.
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Yes. I can 100% see someone being tried for supplying gas, pipes, cement, food, tools, etc... to camps and hearing references to Anne Frank forever.
At some point though, all of those people are dead too.
I'm really shocked all of the people aren't dead to be honest.
I mean, how many Nazi's or people who supplied Nazi's during the 30s and 40s are still alive?
My dad was born in 1941 and passed a couple of years ago. There just aren't many left.
You think tens? Hundreds?
I'm sure not thousands.
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You know. Eventually there will be no one possibly alive from that era.
Then what are the Nazi Hunter groups going to do?
stolen art, valuables, books, treasures whatever.
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At some point though, all of those people are dead too.
I'm really shocked all of the people aren't dead to be honest.
I mean, how many Nazi's or people who supplied Nazi's during the 30s and 40s are still alive?
My dad was born in 1941 and passed a couple of years ago. There just aren't many left.
You think tens? Hundreds?
I'm sure not thousands.
It'll never end.
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It'll never end.
Seems quite sad really.
How many of the types that think it's good want black people to "get over" slavery?
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Seems quite sad really.
How many of the types that think it's good want black people to "get over" slavery?
You can't compare it to slavery and say "Get over the Holocaust" because it's more political. Blacks being more affected by slavery doesn't matter.
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You can't compare it to slavery and say "Get over the Holocaust" because it's more political. Blacks being more affected by slavery doesn't matter.
I think it does... At least to me.
Slavery had a huge impact not only on the ones it happened to, but obviously for numerous generations since.
At least in regards to institutional racism and what has happened since slavery was abolished.
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You can't just convict people of crimes they didn't commit though.
Do you think the world will allow something like this?
I ask honestly because I just can't imagine.
You're kind of a blithering idiot.
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You're kind of a blithering idiot.
And you are someone no one cares about.
Now that we got that out of the way.
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Slavery had a huge impact not only on the ones it happened to, but obviously for numerous generations since.
At least in regards to institutional racism and what has happened since slavery was abolished.
In fact, you really should kill yourself. The world would be better off if you were not in it.
Dickhead.
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In fact, you really should kill yourself. The world would be better off if you were not in it.
Dickhead.
Yeah, but that's not going to happen.
So I expect you to now follow me around getbig and reply to anything you don't like.
I'll be waiting.
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Is this newsworthy?
Only if we find out what his getbig posting name was?
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Ah those silly nazis again.
3600 murders,people were more comfortable with murdering back then,not just the nazis but on all sides.
It was not such a big deal back then.
BTW when is the international justice hunt going to include let's say....the Hiroshima bomb droppers and such ;D ;D
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There's a perception that anyone belonging to the Nazi party in any capacity should be held accountable for everything that is alleged to have taken place. They're charging him based on affiliation, not necessarily any acts on his part. What role would a medic have had that they should charge him? By that same edict, anyone belonging to the U.S military in any capacity should be put on trial for crimes against humanity for the illegal war in Iraq and the use of white phosphorous on civilians there.
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Ah those silly nazis again.
3600 murders,people were more comfortable with murdering back then,not just the nazis but on all sides.
It was not such a big deal back then.
BTW when is the international justice hunt going to include let's say....the Hiroshima bomb droppers and such ;D ;D
They won. That's the difference...
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another 99 year old nazi found and tried for war crimes lol
get over the holocaust seriously your not the only people in the world to be massacred
jews "won" at the end u got your promise land :-X
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Yeah, justice is not just for the victims, but also the criminal.
There is certainly nothing you can do to a 95 year old with dementia that is going to matter.
Even death is just a sweet release at this point.
At least he can die with shame. :)
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free huby!
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They won. That's the difference...
The only true answer, put very succinctly. That is why reasonable people don't take these Jewish pity parties seriously. The minute I see them going after the janitors at Baghram or the food truck drivers at My Lai, only then will I take them seriously.
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Here's the point: that no matter how much TIME passes, if you took part in the evil that was the holocaust, you WILL be found and you WILL be punished. End of story. Dementia or not, this nazi did what he did, knew what he did, and lived for decades while he was either directly or indirectly responsible for the deaths of many people. He lived in fear, even though he was free, fear of being caught. Which he eventually was. This is justice.
Is it pointless now?...what possible reason could you put a demented 95 year old nazi in jail? To let people know that justice exists, that as long as there are people hunting these assholes, there is no rest, nowhere to hide.
I think it's great news. Won't do a damn for the harm he's caused, but justice has been served.
There's the rub: They cannot actually prove this. Show me the document where it says that no jew would have died there and then if this guy had refused to follow orders and had gotten executed instead, and I will gladly change my mind. Or any documents at all that he made any decision whatsoever that would have affected the outcome. This case is grasping at straws. By the same logic the US should be convicting all the Homer Simpsons who work at powerplants that have generated the energy for the electric chairs.
So yes, I'm against this case because legally it represents a very slippery slope. Guilt by association is the end of freedom.
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Only if we find out what his getbig posting name was?
Silly rabbit. It's STARK.
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grandkids of former Nazis...the hunt will continue for generations.....
What about the hunt for "jews" that had a hand in the ongoing white genocide? This genocide is a lot worse than the "holocaust". We are talking much bigger numbers, more cultures and the total abdication of the white race.
These fake jews have declared war on the white race. They are out to destroy Europe. The ones involved in this deserve impalement. It is a just sentence for the crime of Genocide.
I think it would be just to go after these jews, for generations. They want to wipe out the white race blood line? Ok, then repay them in full. Fuck em!
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What about the hunt for "jews" that had a hand in the ongoing white genocide? This genocide is a lot worse than the "holocaust". We are talking much bigger numbers, more cultures and the total abdication of the white race.
These fake jews have declared war on the white race. They are out to destroy Europe. The ones involved in this deserve impalement. It is a just sentence for the crime of Genocide.
I think it would be just to go after these jews, for generations. They want to wipe out the white race blood line? Ok, then repay them in full. Fuck em!
You spelled muslims wrong
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You spelled muslims wrong
You're abdicating the throne of whiteness, chaos.
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At least he can die with shame. :)
Hopefully so.
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These fake jews have declared war on the white race.
'Whites' are done….. let go.
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'Whites' are done….. let go.
You are right. A shame to know that humanity will therefore slide back into the slime from whence it came, now that the master race is being outbred and betrayed.
Back to Africa it is. A few centuries from now the mulatto remnants will yearn for the days when the white man ruled and life wasn't total shit.
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Zafke was sentenced by a Polish court because of his S.S. membership to three years in jail, returning to Neubrandenburg in Germany after serving his time
So he was already sentenced once before...
So why in the hell are they trying to sentence him again? and wtf took so long? ???
poor Nazi man
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Focus on hunting down the assholes from today, not the ones from 70 yrs ago... ::)
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I wonder if there's a porn guy called The Bare Jew.
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What about the hunt for "jews" that had a hand in the ongoing white genocide? This genocide is a lot worse than the "holocaust". We are talking much bigger numbers, more cultures and the total abdication of the white race.
These fake jews have declared war on the white race. They are out to destroy Europe. The ones involved in this deserve impalement. It is a just sentence for the crime of Genocide.
I think it would be just to go after these jews, for generations. They want to wipe out the white race blood line? Ok, then repay them in full. Fuck em!
obviously the sarcasm of my post went over a few heads here...I don't believe the HoloHoax story at all.....
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A shame to know that humanity will therefore slide back into the slime from whence it came
Humanity isn't fit for nice things.
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Focus on hunting down the assholes from today, not the ones from 70 yrs ago... ::)
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Precisely, we have a lot of real murderers today to focus on. People that are equally brainwashed as the german soldiers were during ww2.
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obviously the sarcasm of my post went over a few heads here...I don't believe the HoloHoax story at all.....
Perhaps this former Nazi medic had a hand in the Auschwitz gas chamber installed by Polish communists in 1948. ;)
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Precisely, we have a lot of real murderers today to focus on. People that are equally brainwashed as the german soldiers were during ww2.
The wood-chipper kept them in check.
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Where is getbig's resident hook-nosed Ashkenazi Jew-Boy from North Carolina on this matter? ???
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At some point though, all of those people are dead too.
I'm really shocked all of the people aren't dead to be honest.
I mean, how many Nazi's or people who supplied Nazi's during the 30s and 40s are still alive?
My dad was born in 1941 and passed a couple of years ago. There just aren't many left.
You think tens? Hundreds?
I'm sure not thousands.
Your dad died young. Both my parents were born in 1946 (69 and 70) and are still alive and healthy.
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Your dad died young. Both my parents were born in 1946 (69 and 70) and are still alive and healthy.
He did comparatively to some... Others, he outlived by a lot.
He didn't live right in a lot of ways, but that's the life he lived.
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Fucking bullshit. 70 years have passed. Who keeps digging this shit out repeatedly? Jews?
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Ah those silly nazis again.
3600 murders,people were more comfortable with murdering back then,not just the nazis but on all sides.
Yeah, kind of like the 50 million white people murdered by Jewish communists.
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10-1 the guy says he did it all and fuck you I drank all my whiskey and fucked all my sluts what are you gonna do to me now I'm 95.
It's not proof of justice. It's proof that justice is a bad joke.
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10-1 the guy says he did it all and fuck you I drank all my whiskey and fucked all my sluts what are you gonna do to me now I'm 95.
It's not proof of justice. It's proof that justice is a bad joke.
Doubt it.
Why would age absolve someone of a crime? ???
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Here's the point: that no matter how much TIME passes, if you took part in the evil that was the holocaust, you WILL be found and you WILL be punished. End of story. Dementia or not, this nazi did what he did, knew what he did, and lived for decades while he was either directly or indirectly responsible for the deaths of many people. He lived in fear, even though he was free, fear of being caught. Which he eventually was. This is justice.
Is it pointless now?...what possible reason could you put a demented 95 year old nazi in jail? To let people know that justice exists, that as long as there are people hunting these assholes, there is no rest, nowhere to hide.
I think it's great news. Won't do a damn for the harm he's caused, but justice has been served.
Bingo! I agree 100%
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Bingo! I agree 100%
I know right. I wonder why there was never a manhunt for Jews like Genrick Yagoda, Solomon Morel, and Lazar Kaganovic, people with the blood of tens of millions on their hands.
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Doubt it.
Why would age absolve someone of a crime? ???
He's not absolved. He just got away with it. His arrest at 95 isn't proof of the inevitability of justice. It's proof that there is no justice. The guy lived a long, consequence-free life. Most wicked people do. It happens all the time.
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Doubt it.
Why would age absolve someone of a crime? ???
Deeper question than that. Need to go into why we punish people. And compare to other crimes.
Not all in black in white.
The law is not waterproof et c
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He's not absolved. He just got away with it. His arrest at 95 isn't proof of the inevitability of justice. It's proof that there is no justice. The guy lived a long, consequence-free life. Most wicked people do. It happens all the time.
We don't even know that he is personally guilty of anything. Seemingly he's guilty purely from having been a Nazi. Is the trial then just a token formality? Odd how Nazis are viewed differently than other nations militaries in so far as war crimes are concerned. Why were the allies not charged in connection with the fire bombings of Dresden, or countless other war crimes they committed? Because the victors get to write history as they want it remembered, not as it actually was. Otherwise, the millions killed in Iraq should likewise be labeled a holocaust.
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3600 murders??
Pffft....barely a day's work for Planned Parenthood.
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We don't even know that he is personally guilty of anything. Seemingly he's guilty purely from having been a Nazi. Is the trial then just a token formality? Odd how Nazis are viewed differently than other nations militaries in so far as war crimes are concerned. Why were the allies not charged in connection with the fire bombings of Dresden, or countless other war crimes they committed? Because the victors get to write history as they want it remembered, not as it actually was. Otherwise, the millions killed in Iraq should likewise be labeled a holocaust.
Yeah, where was the accountability of the allies with their sport rape of European women?
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Yeah, where was the accountability of the allies with their sport rape of European women?
Those women were all dressing provocatively and they loved the shaggings they got. Fact.
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Those women were all dressing provocatively and they loved the shaggings they got. Fact.
I know, right. They deserved to be raped by subhumans from Northern Asia--Tajiks, Uzbeks, Kyrgyz, Armenians, and god knows who else- the scum of the earth that Stalin brought in to his troops to rape every white woman they saw.
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He's not absolved. He just got away with it. His arrest at 95 isn't proof of the inevitability of justice. It's proof that there is no justice. The guy lived a long, consequence-free life. Most wicked people do. It happens all the time.
Ha! I'm so sending an CSI team to your place. You're a Buffalo Bill if ever there was one. 'Course, they need to take into account the Coriolis with the splatter...
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Fucking bullshit. 70 years have passed. Who keeps digging this shit out repeatedly? Jews?
Yeah, 70 years have passed... and blacks... are still enslaved... by OTHER BLACKS in Africa, just as they were enslaved first by their own brothers when the stupid and short-sighted white man bought slaves from them a long time ago, with the help of some Sephardic Jew slave ship owners.
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That's stupid. Guess Jews just can't let it go and have no compassion themselves.
Germany and all of Europe are about to be taken over by sand negroes so they should be thankful they once had soldiers.
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Ha! I'm so sending an CSI team to your place. You're a Buffalo Bill if ever there was one. 'Course, they need to take into account the Coriolis with the splatter...
Tanning the skins and sewing, feeding the moths, maintaining the pit, all that soundproofing. Then there's the victim selection. Protein. Gotta keep the abduction strength up. Then you have to keep torturing them all the time. And these assholes never put anything in the basket on schedule. I'm like - you only have one fucking thing to do today! Can you please? That'd be great. Thank you.
Fuck that. I just wanna have some nachos, you know?
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Tanning the skins and sewing, feeding the moths, maintaining the pit, all that soundproofing. Then there's the victim selection. Protein. Gotta keep the abduction strength up. Then you have to keep torturing them all the time. And these assholes never put anything in the basket on schedule. I'm like - you only have one fucking thing to do today! Can you please? That'd be great. Thank you.
Fuck that. I just wanna have some nachos, you know?
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I can't wait for the trials for the systematic murder of Palestinian civilians in the 90s & 00s.
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Update
http://in.reuters.com/article/germany-nazi-trial-victims-idINKCN0VK10K (http://in.reuters.com/article/germany-nazi-trial-victims-idINKCN0VK10K)
Auschwitz guard, 94, goes on trial in Germany
A 94-year-old former guard at Auschwitz lowered his eyes as he arrived at a German court on Thursday to be tried as an accessory to the murder of at least 170,000 people in what is likely to be one of the last few Nazi war crimes trials.
Reinhold Hanning was 20 years old in 1942 when he started serving as a Waffen SS guard at the death camp in occupied Poland, where more than 1.1 million Jews were killed by the Nazis.
There was a heavy police presence around the court in the western town of Detmold as Hanning walked in, wearing glasses and a dark brown tweed jacket and looking at the ground, for a session limited to just two hours due to his age.
Prosecutors said Hanning had joined the Waffen SS, the armed wing of the Nazi party, voluntarily at the age of 18 and fought in eastern Europe during the early stages of World War Two before being transferred to Auschwitz in January 1942.
Accused by the prosecutor's office in Dortmund as well as by 38 joint plaintiffs from Hungary, Israel, Canada, Britain, the United States and Germany, Hanning will hear the testimony of former camp inmates in court.
One of them is Erna de Vries, who was deported to Auschwitz along with her mother in 1943, at the age of 23. Considered a "Jewish crossbreed" as her father was Protestant, she was saved from the gas chamber and transferred to a labour camp.
"I survived, but to this day I don't know exactly how my mother was killed," she told Reuters ahead of the trial. "The last thing she said to me was: 'You will survive and explain what happened to us.'
"I am not hateful but it somehow feels like justice to see this man, who was working there when my mother died, on trial."
Germany's Nazi war crimes office in Ludwigsburg has found that Hanning served as a guard at Auschwitz until at least June 1944.
He has admitted to having been a guard, in a statement to the prosecution, but has denied involvement in the mass killings, part of the Nazis' "Final Solution" for the extermination of Europe's Jews.
Investigators say he also served at Auschwitz's Birkenau sub-division, where about 90 percent of more than 1.2 million killings in the camp were carried out in four gas chambers
Prosecutors maintain that the Nazis' machinery of murder hinged on people like Hanning guarding the prisoners, and they accuse him of expediting, or at least facilitating, the slaughter.
A precedent for such an approach was set in 2011 when death camp guard Ivan Demjanjuk was convicted of being an accessory to mass murder.
Last year, 94-year-old Oskar Groening, known as the "bookkeeper of Auschwitz", was sentenced to four years in prison for being an accessory to the murder of 300,000 people in Auschwitz.
There other former death camp workers in their 90s - two men and one woman - are due to go on trial in the next few months.
Because of their age, their hearings, like Hanning's, will be restricted to two hours per day, assuming they are fit to face trial.
But Nazi hunter Efraim Zuroff, responsible for war crime investigations at the Simon Wiesenthal Center, said from his office in Jerusalem that age should not be an obstacle to prosecution.
"When you think of these cases, don't think of frail, old, sick men and women," he said, "but of young people who devoted their energies to a system that implemented the Final Solution and aimed to obliterate the Jewish people."
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How long before we see their grandchildren on trial?
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Update
http://in.reuters.com/article/germany-nazi-trial-victims-idINKCN0VK10K (http://in.reuters.com/article/germany-nazi-trial-victims-idINKCN0VK10K)
Auschwitz guard, 94, goes on trial in Germany
A 94-year-old former guard at Auschwitz lowered his eyes as he arrived at a German court on Thursday to be tried as an accessory to the murder of at least 170,000 people in what is likely to be one of the last few Nazi war crimes trials.
I am sure he is ashamed of what he did. Or... he's a doddering 94-y.o. man who can't see shit and has to watch where he walks. ::)
Nazi hunter Efraim Zuroff, responsible for war crime investigations at the Simon Wiesenthal Center
How are the investigations going on Stalin's henchmen, and those of Pol Pot and Idi Amin? Oh wait, killing goyim is never a problem.
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I am sure he is ashamed of what he did. Or... he's a doddering 94-y.o. man who can't see shit and has to watch where he walks. ::)
How are the investigations going on Stalin's henchmen, and those of Pol Pot and Idi Amin? Oh wait, killing goyim is never a problem.
Stalin killed more people.
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Perhaps this former Nazi medic had a hand in the Auschwitz gas chamber installed by Polish communists in 1948. ;)
It must be hard to be on trial for facts that were established after the closing of the camp. And people are surprised at all these Germans who didn't see anything...
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Stalin killed more people.
Thing is, Stalin killed everyone, he didn't discriminate. I think this is the reason Hitler is viewed as a worse person, because he specifically targeted one group of people, the Jews.
I lost both my great grandfathers in WW2 because of that fuckface Stalin. He didn't give a shit about his own army, everyone was expendable. He sent his troops on suicide missions knowing full well they'd die. He was also very insecure about his own intelligence, so he killed off people he thought were smarter than him in case they turned on him.
Plus, him and Hitler were going to take over the world together, Hitler just attacked first. Those two are like two peas in a pod.
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It must be hard to be on trial for facts that were established after the closing of the camp. And people are surprised at all these Germans who didn't see anything...
Odd, considering Germans are notorious for their attention to detail.
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Here's the point: that no matter how much TIME passes, if you took part in the evil that was the holocaust, you WILL be found and you WILL be punished. End of story. Dementia or not, this nazi did what he did, knew what he did, and lived for decades while he was either directly or indirectly responsible for the deaths of many people. He lived in fear, even though he was free, fear of being caught. Which he eventually was. This is justice.
Is it pointless now?...what possible reason could you put a demented 95 year old nazi in jail? To let people know that justice exists, that as long as there are people hunting these assholes, there is no rest, nowhere to hide.
I think it's great news. Won't do a damn for the harm he's caused, but justice has been served.
QFT
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Odd, considering Germans are notorious for their attention to detail.
Indeed odd that these people are 'found' 70 years later. Can't tell me the Germans didn't have perfect records about who worked where, so I still find it highly suspect that every year one or two are still being 'discovered'.
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Tanning the skins and sewing, feeding the moths, maintaining the pit, all that soundproofing. Then there's the victim selection. Protein. Gotta keep the abduction strength up. Then you have to keep torturing them all the time. And these assholes never put anything in the basket on schedule. I'm like - you only have one fucking thing to do today! Can you please? That'd be great. Thank you.
Fuck that. I just wanna have some nachos, you know?
It puts the Tapeworm in the hole!!
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QFT
Quit Fucking Trying?
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Thing is, Stalin killed everyone, he didn't discriminate. I think this is the reason Hitler is viewed as a worse person, because he specifically targeted one group of people, the Jews.
I lost both my great grandfathers in WW2 because of that fuckface Stalin. He didn't give a shit about his own army, everyone was expendable. He sent his troops on suicide missions knowing full well they'd die. He was also very insecure about his own intelligence, so he killed off people he thought were smarter than him in case they turned on him.
Plus, him and Hitler were going to take over the world together, Hitler just attacked first. Those two are like two peas in a pod.
Sorry to hear.
And I agree.
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Geez...so much killing. :(
This vid helps explain things:
I still dont understand... if white people are so bad why are they coming with rubber boats from Africa to Europe? They could eat bananas and live in houses made from elephant shit and live in peace.
Or why doesnt american negro go to Africa?