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Title: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: 1000MGTRENED on February 11, 2016, 07:00:59 AM
 (http://img.youtube.com/vi/wVMbZTGXxW4/0.jpg) (http://nattyornot.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/matt_ogus_bloated_face.jpg)
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For years many have complained about having a puffy face/facial bloat on tren ace but at the same time feeling "lean" and "vascular" everywhere else.

I think the reason could be by the swollen lymph node in the cheeks, Sometimes you might have swelling cheeks due to swollen lymph nodes in front of your ear. You will tend to have swollen cheeks near the ears as well as neck.

"Swollen lymph nodes usually occur as a result of exposure to bacteria or viruses. When swollen lymph nodes are caused by an infection, this is known as lymphadenitis (lim-fad-uh-NIE-tis). Rarely, swollen lymph nodes are caused by cancer."

Tren ace is known for causing lymph nodes and somehow this can be expediting a puffy face for certain people.

Would natural home remedies that are effective like tumeric, apple cider vinegar, garlic,etc take care of these lymph nodes and reduce facial swelling from tren if this was true?

If not what else could fight this "tren face bloat"? Maybe not enough BA in the tren thus bacteria infected tren causing this reaction?

Here are some user's experience with this tren face bloat I found by doing a quick google search:
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How many of you get swollen face when you run certain anabolic steroids? I'm using trenbolone now and My face is swollen worse then it was on NPP - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - . And it's not from water because I am using aromasin and caber. I'm starting to look forward to the end of the cycle cuz it looks ridiculous -___-
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tren gives me that ugly ass bloat as well most the time. My brother just recently got rid of his somehow.. He doesn't even touch an AI.
Seriously man I have researched this so much I have no solid answer same thing with the deca bloat... In my case it hasn't been e2 related...
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I cant figure out why I get bloated on tren? Iv tried prolly 7-8 differnt labs, tried homebrew from pelles, tried homebrew from powder. I prolly wont run it again till next spring due to my polycythemia ( which im getting treated for now ). I cant figure this out! Also people report losing bf and thats something iv never expirenced with tren. I get a moon face and my belly gets bloated when I run tren. I have had polycythemia for a long time ( didnt know abot it till receintly ), so could that have something to do with it? Any advice from you gentlemen would be appreciated!.

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So I ran Tren ace last yr and hadnt any issues like this. I'm thinking the prolactin sides is what is making the bloat. I'm running 50 mg/day and using low dose prami and arimidex. Anyone else get this? I usually get dry and ripped on Tren ace. Its making me lose sleep and the night sweats are there
BTW-When I run tren I run ace.

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Dr.jim, I have heard of that. So heres the deal, my body is lean..almost too lean for my liking to be honest. Might be ditching the tren after this upcoming week due to the sides anyway. However, my face is extremely oily, which is common, but its not "moonface" like I would get if say my e2 was too high or had a carb binge. There are these pockets underneath my eyes, along with eye bags, that give me a babyface appearance. My jawline is strong and my cheeks are always pronounced. With e2 bloat or similar water bloat I get a double chin, my whole face bloats out. When I notice, for the sake of argument, ill call it tren bloat for now..I also feel like complete dirt, fatigue, kind of out of it. Sleep could be better to be honest..but I dont believe thats the issue. These "pockets" are definitely water. If I drop the tren..they disappear within 4 to 7 days.
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: bigmikecox on February 11, 2016, 07:33:04 AM
Stop taking the tren

/closed
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: _aj_ on February 11, 2016, 07:36:39 AM
Stop taking the tren

/closed

But, but, but...what about his capped DELTS!!!!!
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: bigmikecox on February 11, 2016, 07:46:11 AM
But, but, but...what about his capped DELTS!!!!!

LMAO

Site inject prop
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: Man of Steel on February 11, 2016, 07:57:30 AM
I would suggest that you stop using drugs. 
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on February 11, 2016, 08:30:18 AM
I would suggest that you stop using drugs. 

Did you post this before or after you took your daily shot?
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: drkaje on February 11, 2016, 08:44:57 AM
I would suggest that you stop using drugs. 

Too simple.

You have to offer advice that allows someone to keep taking drugs.

I have an educated guess but wouldn't want to throw shit out there without too much thought. :)
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: bigmikecox on February 11, 2016, 08:52:28 AM
Too simple.

You have to offer advice that allows someone to keep taking drugs.

I have an educated guess but wouldn't want to throw shit out there without too much thought. :)

Switch to Primo
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: drkaje on February 11, 2016, 09:01:13 AM
Switch to Primo

I'm swamped with work but here's my guess: It's a matter of lymph glands being plugged, not swollen. The same thing is happening other places (to some extent) but it's just more visible in the face.

Everyone knows that shit decreases immune function.

Shit is what shit is.
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on February 11, 2016, 09:08:20 AM
Switch to Primo

Primo is a drug like Anavar in that it's expensive raws and the majority of labs sells other shit under the guise of primo.
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: Man of Steel on February 11, 2016, 09:20:02 AM
Did you post this before or after you took your daily shot?

LOL, daily shot of what?
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: Man of Steel on February 11, 2016, 09:22:00 AM
Too simple.

You have to offer advice that allows someone to keep taking drugs.

I have an educated guess but wouldn't want to throw shit out there without too much thought. :)

Got it.

Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: Man of Steel on February 11, 2016, 09:22:52 AM
For years many have complained about having a puffy face/facial bloat on tren ace but at the same time feeling "lean" and "vascular" everywhere else.

I think the reason could be by the swollen lymph node in the cheeks, Sometimes you might have swelling cheeks due to swollen lymph nodes in front of your ear. You will tend to have swollen cheeks near the ears as well as neck.

"Swollen lymph nodes usually occur as a result of exposure to bacteria or viruses. When swollen lymph nodes are caused by an infection, this is known as lymphadenitis (lim-fad-uh-NIE-tis). Rarely, swollen lymph nodes are caused by cancer."

Tren ace is known for causing lymph nodes and somehow this can be expediting a puffy face for certain people.

Would natural home remedies that are effective like tumeric, apple cider vinegar, garlic,etc take care of these lymph nodes and reduce facial swelling from tren if this was true?

If not what else could fight this "tren face bloat"? Maybe not enough BA in the tren thus bacteria infected tren causing this reaction?

Here are some user's experience with this tren face bloat I found by doing a quick google search:

I would suggest taking less drugs to start and then stop taking all drugs.
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: 1000MGTRENED on February 11, 2016, 09:44:08 AM
Stop taking the tren

/closed
Yeah so if someone what bought hundreds of dollars of tren suppose to use than? I know there's a reason  for this face bloat and it's I would like to pinpoint the problem
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: 1000MGTRENED on February 11, 2016, 09:47:59 AM
I'm swamped with work but here's my guess: It's a matter of lymph glands being plugged, not swollen. The same thing is happening other places (to some extent) but it's just more visible in the face.

Everyone knows that shit decreases immune function.

Shit is what shit is.

Wow awesome I wish you would expand on this more because this has been a mystery for YEARS! No one care figure it out but this does make total sense would their be anyways to fight this by obviously getting off?

I tried taking a bunch of apple cider vinegar to help cleanse my body of the bacteria but I don't think its working.

People have though it was prolactin or estrogen but that wouldn't make sense other people and I myself are getting lean and vascular all over but in the face it's just bloated especially in the cheeks.

Thanks for giving some of that knolwedge
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: 1000MGTRENED on February 11, 2016, 10:03:45 AM
I'm swamped with work but here's my guess: It's a matter of lymph glands being plugged, not swollen. The same thing is happening other places (to some extent) but it's just more visible in the face.

Everyone knows that shit decreases immune function.

Shit is what shit is.
So how should I go about fighting this? Strengthening my immune function?
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: drkaje on February 11, 2016, 10:18:16 AM
Wow awesome I wish you would expand on this more because this has been a mystery for YEARS! No one care figure it out but this does make total sense would their be anyways to fight this by obviously getting off?

I tried taking a bunch of apple cider vinegar to help cleanse my body of the bacteria but I don't think its working.

People have though it was prolactin or estrogen but that wouldn't make sense other people and I myself are getting lean and vascular all over but in the face it's just bloated especially in the cheeks.

Thanks for giving some of that knolwedge

Those would affect migration and surface area. People not getting the answer they want to hear doesn't make something a "mystery", LOL!

After the skin, the mouth is kind of the first line of defense because we're always fighting off some level of bacteria, cooties, virus, etc.. Ignoring that most people have their tonsils removed.

MOS gave the only safe, useful, advice you'll get regarding this side-effect. I don't know jack about apple cider and pretty much believe people accept facial bloating as a consequence of their choice.
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: 1000MGTRENED on February 11, 2016, 10:25:03 AM
AH Ok thank you very much...but I spent hundreds of dollars on tren after crusing for months and now I cant use it???

but I also think this could be case of gear not being sterile enough and their being lots of bacteria in it and tren expediting it, I think if I add more BA to get rid of as much bacteria as I can it should help and maybe other supplements to help strengthen the immune system and fight bacteria in the system but I don't know which supplements to choose?
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: drkaje on February 11, 2016, 10:36:29 AM
AH Ok thank you very much...but I spent hundreds of dollars on tren after crusing for months and now I cant use it???

but I also think this could be case of gear not being sterile enough and their being lots of bacteria in it and tren expediting it, I think if I add more BA to get rid of as much bacteria as I can it should help and maybe other supplements to help strengthen the immune system and fight bacteria in the system but I don't know which supplements to choose?

You're taking something that decreases the body's ability to clear bacteria, is my point.
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: 1000MGTRENED on February 11, 2016, 10:46:23 AM
But why do some people bloat in the face and others don't on tren?

Mainly due to facial structure and genetics? Like someone with naturally chubby cheeks with high cheek bones will bloat their prominently versus someone with smaller cheeks and less broad face will bloat elsewhere?
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: 1000MGTRENED on February 11, 2016, 10:48:36 AM
But why do some people bloat in the face and others don't on tren?

Mainly due to facial structure and genetics? Like someone with naturally chubby cheeks with high cheek bones will bloat their in their cheeks prominently versus someone with smaller cheeks and less broad face will bloat elsewhere?
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: 1000MGTRENED on February 11, 2016, 10:56:04 AM
I'm sure there's a way to prevent this but I don't know if I'll find anyone medically informed enough to find a solution
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: drkaje on February 11, 2016, 11:05:36 AM
I'm sure there's a way to prevent this but I don't know if I'll find anyone medically informed enough to find a solution

You already know the solution.
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: 1000MGTRENED on February 11, 2016, 11:10:04 AM
Thanks bro I appreciate you taking the time shedding light on this subject I still have hope there may be some way to prevent considering I just blew hundreds of dollars on tren but I know I'll have to stop.
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: 1000MGTRENED on February 11, 2016, 12:58:37 PM
 :(
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: triggerhappy on February 11, 2016, 01:37:41 PM
Double the dose
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: 1000MGTRENED on February 11, 2016, 02:13:45 PM
I did 4ccs thinking it might help considering everywhere else except my cheeks are swollen and it's just gotten worse
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zD1wjv0jAr4/T4csHSjXXGI/AAAAAAAAFDo/itEVyor5n_w/s640/page+lindsey.jpg)

like this
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: equipoise on February 11, 2016, 05:08:22 PM
Actually my face does get leaner but I know what you mean. 19 nors seem to give me a peculiar bloat, it's different to estro related bloat caused by test. Estro related bloat actually looks somewhat ok but 19 nor bloat looks horrible. This is still after using AI and prami.
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: 1000MGTRENED on February 11, 2016, 05:20:31 PM
Agreed it's a different bloat than other compounds where your whole face is round,Do you notice you bloat under jaw go away but than your cheeks puff out? like this?
(http://nattyornot.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/matt_ogus_bloated_face.jpg)

It fucking sucks but I think found the reason due to lymph glands getting plugged and than swelling up your cheeks, I hope someone has a solution
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: equipoise on February 11, 2016, 05:22:36 PM
Agreed it's a different bloat than other compounds where your whole face is round,Do you notice you bloat under jaw go away but than your cheeks puff out? like this?
(http://nattyornot.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/matt_ogus_bloated_face.jpg)

It fucking sucks but I think found the reason due to lymph glands getting plugged and than swelling up your cheeks, I hope someone has a solution

YES EXACTLY i was planning on an Npp run but then I saw my bloated disgusting face and stopped.
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: 1000MGTRENED on February 11, 2016, 05:24:08 PM
Yeah I get the same thing on winstrol too? Do you have high cheekbones/naturally puffy cheeks/baby face? maybe that would explain why people like you and me are predisposed to this bloating in the cheeks than elsewhere.
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: equipoise on February 11, 2016, 05:40:29 PM
Yeah I get the same thing on winstrol too? Do you have high cheekbones/naturally puffy cheeks/baby face? maybe that would explain why people like you and me are predisposed to this bloating in the cheeks than elsewhere.

It's true that my face is the first to put on weight/lose weight when I gain and lose weight. But the bloat from 19 nors is something else, really disgusting. Never tried winstrol so I dunno. I think it's probably best to just use low dose test and stay lean, I think my face looks best that way.
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: 1000MGTRENED on February 11, 2016, 07:03:18 PM
It's true that my face is the first to put on weight/lose weight when I gain and lose weight. But the bloat from 19 nors is something else, really disgusting. Never tried winstrol so I dunno. I think it's probably best to just use low dose test and stay lean, I think my face looks best that way.

Very interesting stuff.....It seems like people who are predisposed to having fat on their will also be the first place to swell up as well and I'm guessing your bodies lymph glands clog and swell up when it notices the rest your body starts to dry up and thus it's more notable in the face as a reaction from like tren, npp, winstrol, etc....

Just a theory.

The bloat from dbol, test, anadrol is different as it can be swelled down and taken care of with ai, cardio, water, and diet while with "dry compounds" it seems like no matter how guys are dry everywhere else those who are predisposed by whatever means swell up and notice it in the face and cheeks specifically. Like so:
 (http://img.youtube.com/vi/wVMbZTGXxW4/0.jpg) (http://nattyornot.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/matt_ogus_bloated_face.jpg)
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: lilhawk1 on February 11, 2016, 09:21:08 PM
Stop using tren, plain and simple.  It's not the end all be all drug people make it out to be.  I actually think it sucks.  Won't ever touch it again.  Unless you're competing, it's not needed for a fantastic physique.  I will say however, I did have the opportunity to use the real Negma Parabolan years ago, and that shit was the best steroid I've ever used, along with the original Syntex Masteron that came in 2 ml amps.  Tren that is out there today is like piss compared to the Negma 76mg amps. Three amps a week was better than 1000mg of the dogshit tren out there today.
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: 1000MGTRENED on February 12, 2016, 10:19:24 AM
Stop using tren, plain and simple.  It's not the end all be all drug people make it out to be.  I actually think it sucks.  Won't ever touch it again.  Unless you're competing, it's not needed for a fantastic physique.  I will say however, I did have the opportunity to use the real Negma Parabolan years ago, and that shit was the best steroid I've ever used, along with the original Syntex Masteron that came in 2 ml amps.  Tren that is out there today is like piss compared to the Negma 76mg amps. Three amps a week was better than 1000mg of the dogshit tren out there today.
My cheeks are so puffed up I hate it.
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: 1000MGTRENED on February 12, 2016, 01:31:52 PM
It's been 2 days since my last injection and I feel like I don't belong anywhere my cheeks are so bloated! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Hopefully in another few days it will go away since I was only on tren for like 8 days.
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: spiro on February 12, 2016, 02:03:26 PM
I like a little bit of bloat in my face. Face was always too thin. As long as I don't get the double chin and swelling around the eyes too bad.

Trend and test bloated me so bad. I usually weigh around 205 on tren and test I blew up to 225! I've never been that heavy again. My blood pressure was so high lol. I didn't know what I was doing I was eating like shit. I dint learn the power of masteron yet. I had a huge double chin. It was horrific. My double chin was actually hanging it was so bad. I thought I was fucked forever. I could t figure out to run gear without getting it. And then I was introduced to masteron and actually getting lean before blasting. I was a stupid kid.
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: 1000MGTRENED on February 12, 2016, 02:17:21 PM
I like a little bit of bloat in my face. Face was always too thin. As long as I don't get the double chin and swelling around the eyes too bad.

Trend and test bloated me so bad. I usually weigh around 205 on tren and test I blew up to 225! I've never been that heavy again. My blood pressure was so high lol. I didn't know what I was doing I was eating like shit. I dint learn the power of masteron yet. I had a huge double chin. It was horrific. My double chin was actually hanging it was so bad. I thought I was fucked forever. I could t figure out to run gear without getting it. And then I was introduced to masteron and actually getting lean before blasting. I was a stupid kid.
Haha awesome story!
Do you have a pic of what you looked like? I bet you still looked handsome :P
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: spiro on February 12, 2016, 02:41:56 PM
Haha awesome story!
Do you have a pic of what you looked like? I bet you still looked handsome :P

Lol I wish i did man. I'm a pretty handsome guy naturally so I don't know how but I still got laid. But it was miserable for me the double or chin fat face was so uncomfortable I could feel it swelling up. Now I can run high doses as long as I'm lean and use masteron. Even a small dose 50 mg eod.
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: Disco187 on February 16, 2016, 12:07:05 PM
I feel your pain man. I have been pretty freaky quiet a few times mid 250s, blowing out of 3xl shirts but when i have pictures taken of me and i see my face i get extremely depressed.


Its like yeah i just busted my ass for months to get my physique where i want it to be , chuck on some fresh clothing thats taylored to your physique and you walk around feeling like a million bucks till you notice that the face looks fat.  50 percent of my confidence goes down the drain when i feel like that.

my face looks like i did a 48 hour bender of  coke some days when im on a big cycle, and my body fat is always on the lower side.
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: ritch on February 16, 2016, 12:08:52 PM
God bless my ever so chisled and lean face!!!
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: Jizmo on February 16, 2016, 12:43:36 PM
my girlfriends whole family and all her friends call me hamster now because of my hamster cheeks when im bulking :D i actually find that kind of funny and i dont mind the face bloat, i can drop every bit of it within a week, but i love being big and full ... when i carry water weight i carry water weight in my face too. and thats still being pretty lean too. doesnt matter if i blast my estrogen either, with the water comes the face bloat.

i guess i could just get fat as fuck now and my face wouldnt change at all lol
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: 1000MGTRENED on February 16, 2016, 12:44:05 PM
I feel your pain man. I have been pretty freaky quiet a few times mid 250s, blowing out of 3xl shirts but when i have pictures taken of me and i see my face i get extremely depressed.


Its like yeah i just busted my ass for months to get my physique where i want it to be , chuck on some fresh clothing thats taylored to your physique and you walk around feeling like a million bucks till you notice that the face looks fat.  50 percent of my confidence goes down the drain when i feel like that.

my face looks like i did a 48 hour bender of  coke some days when im on a big cycle, and my body fat is always on the lower side.

Yeah fuck that shit, What compounds make your face bloat your the worst?

Because I think certain androgen compounds like tren,winstrol, etc will bloat your face differently than compounds that are more water retention related like dbol, test, etc that can be handled by an ai.

Here I was thinking I was gonna be a shredded using tren and winstrol, my body does feel leaner, but face instantly bloats every time and I know that shit is real too.
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: Jenetics on February 16, 2016, 12:53:20 PM
Are you taking any other compounds? HGH? Testosterone?
Title: Re: BLOATED FACE on Tren ace??..caused by swollen lymph nodes? Help?
Post by: Disco187 on February 17, 2016, 07:53:37 AM
Yeah fuck that shit, What compounds make your face bloat your the worst?

Because I think certain androgen compounds like tren,winstrol, etc will bloat your face differently than compounds that are more water retention related like dbol, test, etc that can be handled by an ai.

Here I was thinking I was gonna be a shredded using tren and winstrol, my body does feel leaner, but face instantly bloats every time and I know that shit is real too.

for me it seams like i need to run low test 500  to 750 mg a wk \ 50mg winstrol a day\50 mg trenn a day\ adex about three pills a wk \t3 25-50 micros\clenn 40 micros\ this seams to give me my best all around look. grant it my diet is in check 5 days a wk. wknds i cheat a tad/ gym is 5 times a wk aswell\ cardio is simply 4 to 5 long walks around my neighborhood at a quick pace.
Drugs that simply just make me look like a fat slob are dbol anadrol deca high test like 2 grams a wk and unfortunately when i run trenn at 100mg a day.  I recently started using growth so im not sure what look it will bring me , way to early to tell.  I also have been thinking about masteron or eq