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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: rayrod on March 19, 2006, 01:42:29 PM
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does anyone know what these two are up to these days? they looked very good. healthy looking. mike had a set of abs and arms that match anyones. buchanon had those wide shoulders with a small waist and nice back. i know mike claimed he was natural. do you know if that is true or not
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Sick taper! he looks like he's coming out of a magic lamp
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you'll like this one
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Mike "The Natural" Ashley said he was clean so we'll have to take his word for it. Just seems odd that his signed photograph graced BALCO Lab's wall of fame . . .
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you'll like this one
:o how small is that waist it looks about the size of melvin anthony
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Oh yes....He's natural alright! ::)
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Those are pics of Buchanan who was around 5'9-5'10 and 210. Mike Ashley kept claiming natural status back in his day.
Where are pictures of Ashley?
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hes def. in better shape than melvin & sports a smaller waist.
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Of course Ashley was natural because he said so. Like Titus is not guilty. Like Chick makes 300K.
A "natural" Mike Ashley is wishful thinking.
Special "Catch a Falling Star" Ed
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Mike "The Natural" Ashley said he was clean so we'll have to take his word for it. Just seems odd that his signed photograph graced BALCO Lab's wall of fame . . .
His secret is CLEAR to all of us.
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His secret is CLEAR to all of us.
Mike is going to CREAM you when he reads this. ;D
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Mike, I want my Arnold Trophy BACK!
Can a brutha get some Change too!
ARE WE CLEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
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Mike ashley was "natural" but in md there was a pic of him with victor conte.... ;D
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I see and speak with Mike. He is doing great here in South Florida. Sold his gym(s), doing some training and still in great shape. He has gotten more into the academic aspect of training. I believe him too.
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I always believed Ashley's natural claims, but what do I know. He certainly didn't exhibit any of the tell-tale signs of drug use (aside from being pretty big and ripped). He was one of the few pros I actually met in person, when he did a seminar in Dallas in the early 90's.
Rick Wayne made a kind of cryptic comment about Mike at a show back in the day. Rick said "I believe he's clean. He's as clean as Joe Weider." I was never sure quite how Rick meant that.
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here is a picture of mike ashley
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here is a picture of mike ashley
He doesn't look like he juices.
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another
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100% natty
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No one in their right mind would believe Mike was natural. If so, you are saying that Mike Ashley had the greatest genetics of all-time. The guy went head-to-head with a roided out Strydom in his prime and consistently crushed other admitted users. He took second to Shawn Ray at the Arnold when Shawn failed his drug test. Ask yourself: Why in the world would a superior genetically gifted bodybuilder like Shawn have to take drugs to beat a natural guy like Mike Ashley?? If you really believe Mike had more muscle, better density, and was in better condition and came in drier than 99% of his competitors without juice, you truly have no understanding of what drugs do.
Think about it. The Ashley of 1986 was light years ahead of the absolute best natural competitor in 2006 - TWENTY YEARS of knowledge, superior supplementation, more efficient machines, and egg whites in a jar, and no one even remotely resembles this guy's level of muscle, density and condition. Bitch please!
Shawn would set you straight, but he's afraid Mike might skip out on the Colorado Pro.
Special "SeaGullible" Ed
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Of course he was natural. Don't complain just because he discovered Magic Stick before everyone else.
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100% natty
Not a chance....they had GH back then too!! But next to Haidar, some of the deepest abs I've ever seen. Pierre Van Den Steen excluded!!
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His secret is CLEAR to all of us.
I met Mike a few times back in the early 80's and when a bunch of us were skeptical about him being "natural" he passed around his daily diet log, the guy is a real nutriton expert he even kept track of the vitamins and mineral content along with pro, carbs and fat of all food he ate.
The guy was NOT even 200 lbs on stage but ripped with awesome muscle bellys.
He won a natural show where he had to pass a BLOOD analysis for drugs,THAT, he passed.
He passed more drug tests than you can imagine, plus he was real matter of fact about it, not defensive.
If you remember BALCO and Victor Conte got their start doing DIET and supplemnt routines for elite athletes and was 100 % legit, UNTIL they branched out into the vitamin S deal ;)
At the end of his career hard to say if he was 100% natural, no matter, the guy was a phenom and remeber he passed the drug test and was given the title over Shawn Ray at ASC in 91. (was it 91?)
Larry Scott summed up the real deal on 'roids pretty well . I will paraphrase him here; ' drugs can make a really good bodybuilder become a great one but never transform an avg one into a champ.'
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Special ed hit it on the head ,why would these guy's juice their heads off and see natural mike kick butt,shawn ray had great natural gene's and he did what he had to do.it is possible to be ripped natural,and big natural.but both and conditioned is tough ,maybe at lighter bodyweight,but ashley competed at over 190 lbs .his abs had that thick chunky look ,i don't think that's possible clean.
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I met Mike a few times back in the early 80's and when a bunch of us were skeptical about him being "natural" he passed around his daily diet log, the guy is a real nutriton expert he even kept track of the vitamins and mineral content along with pro, carbs and fat of all food he ate.
The guy was NOT even 200 lbs on stage but ripped with awesome muscle bellys.
He won a natural show where he had to pass a BLOOD analysis for drugs,THAT, he passed.
He passed more drug tests than you can imagine, plus he was real matter of fact about it, not defensive.
If you remember BALCO and Victor Conte got their start doing DIET and supplemnt routines for elite athletes and was 100 % legit, UNTIL they branched out into the vitamin S deal ;)
At the end of his career hard to say if he was 100% natural, no matter, the guy was a phenom and remeber he passed the drug test and was given the title over Shawn Ray at ASC in 91. (was it 91?)
Larry Scott summed up the real deal on 'roids pretty well . I will paraphrase him here; ' drugs can make a really good bodybuilder become a great one but never transform an avg one into a champ.'
Thank you, I was also going to point out that Mike was a real whiz with nutrition and training. Not that his competition wasn't, but he really knew what he was doing and had it down to a pretty exact formula.
Mike also offered $10,000.00 to anyone if they administered a drug test that he could not pass. No one ever collected on the deal, so draw your own conclusions.
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No one in their right mind would believe Mike was natural. If so, you are saying that Mike Ashley had the greatest genetics of all-time. The guy went head-to-head with a roided out Strydom in his prime and consistently crushed other admitted users. He took second to Shawn Ray at the Arnold when Shawn failed his drug test. Ask yourself: Why in the world would a superior genetically gifted bodybuilder like Shawn have to take drugs to beat a natural guy like Mike Ashley?? If you really believe Mike had more muscle, better density, and was in better condition and came in drier than 99% of his competitors without juice, you truly have no understanding of what drugs do.
Think about it. The Ashley of 1986 was light years ahead of the absolute best natural competitor in 2006 - TWENTY YEARS of knowledge, superior supplementation, more efficient machines, and egg whites in a jar, and no one even remotely resembles this guy's level of muscle, density and condition. Bitch please!
Shawn would set you straight, but he's afraid Mike might skip out on the Colorado Pro.
Special "SeaGullible" Ed
No question about it , drugs do add size and a freaky look that is needed to win today.
If shawn failed the test at that ASC, how come at least Mike passed it, if he was on. Hmmm, no matter, Shawn stayed in the game and ended his involvement sport with one of the most impressive careers or any top pro, even better than a a couple Mr O's like Dickerson or Sammir.
GENETICS is the real "secret" to being a top bodybuilder, singer or pro athlete. Drugs can't turn a horse jockey into Mr O , can they? hehe
On a serious note, unlike most sports , the drug myth keeps the insane dream alive for a lot of wannabe pros out there with lousy genetics. The truth and reality is a tough pill to swallow for some, kinda like W and his belief on how great Iraq is going ;)
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MIKE ASHLEY IS NATURAL.... NATURALY ON IT THAT IS anyone in BB knows u cant get that kinda freaky size without the gear i dont care what anyone thinks all BIG FREAK looking BB are on it
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MIKE ASHLEY IS NATURAL.... NATURALY ON IT THAT IS anyone in BB knows u cant get that kinda freaky size without the gear i dont care what anyone thinks all BIG FREAK looking BB are on it
....and if man were meant to fly he would have wings, plus, you know that the earth is flat and nobody can sail to far without falling off the edge that is fact (ok it was a fact)
This logic amazes me, he has to be on drugs becuae he looked good, hmmm, and nobody can develop decent mass without them. I think it is the 99% that can't obtain his kind of physique 'with drugs' and need to blame it on drugs that is odd.
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good point :)
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....and if man were meant to fly he would have wings, plus, you know that the earth is flat and nobody can sail to far without falling off the edge that is fact (ok it was a fact)
This logic amazes me, he has to be on drugs becuae he looked good, hmmm, and nobody can develop decent mass without them. I think it is the 99% that can't obtain his kind of physique 'with drugs' and need to blame it on drugs that is odd.
KID wake up how old are you ???? prob a lil to old to believe in fantasies nobody gets huge without gear keep dreaming and maybe one day the tooth fairy will leave you a dollar when u wake up
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No question about it , drugs do add size and a freaky look that is needed to win today.
If shawn failed the test at that ASC, how come at least Mike passed it, if he was on.
Come on, you should know that when pple got caught at that time, it was for a question of bad timing.
I'm not saying that Mike ashley was not natural, I don't know.
There was a pic of him that I found fantastic. He had "old school" red shorts and was one arm up. Any one has it?
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If shawn failed the test at that ASC, how come at least Mike passed it, if he was on.
GENETICS is the real "secret" to being a top bodybuilder.
Uhh Howie, take a look at Shawn's pics from the Junior Nationals at age 19 or 20. When you speak of genetics, Shawn was a true freak. Don't try to tell me that a natural Mike Ashley had half of Shawn's ability to build muscle mass. Try to pull Mike's AAU Teen pics and see who the natural is. And then try to tell me that Mike added more muscle and made more improvements NATURAL than Shawn did WITH DRUGS? That sounds like one of those 70's articles..."Steroids do not promote muscle growth...egg protein does!"
And when you look at pics of Ashley's face, try to ignore the tell-tale lantern jaw, the face-within-a-face and of course, the GH elbow. How'd he pass the drug test? The same way our Summer Olympic track team does every four years. Steroids +GH all off-season long. GH + steroids - oil-based steroids beginning 12 weeks out.
Special "Rebel Without a Clue" Ed
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That just shows you how good he ( WASN'T !!!! ) He was juiced to the gills. I will end this bullshit about him being natural. I have no respect for a guy on that level at the time who went out of his way to proclaim how natural he was. What a douche ! I'm not going to name names because that's not fair to the second party here. Anyway, He hung out with, traveled with, trained with, and stayed with another pro throughout the 80's who I've talked with on several occasions. He told me It drove him crazy ( this pro Is and has been Natural all his life. ) That Mike Ashley was doing all kinds of shit while the were traveling together and making appearances. This pro I'm talking about placed very low in the 1988 Mr O . which Is amazing considering he Is 100 percent natural and no one has ever doubted or protested it. He competed at about 185 lbs. Thats a far as ill go with that. So there is your answer for a Fact !!!! Mike Ashley was a lier.
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Thank you, I was also going to point out that Mike was a real whiz with nutrition and training. Not that his competition wasn't, but he really knew what he was doing and had it down to a pretty exact formula.
Mike also offered $10,000.00 to anyone if they administered a drug test that he could not pass. No one ever collected on the deal, so draw your own conclusions.
Mike supposedly used methyltest or another sort of test that you could not trace very long back then if at all, he might have also used some of the masking agents that were popular back in the day (Mike Christian anyone ?).
There is also a photo out there where it can be seen that Mike has a bitch tit - strange for a guy that is a lifelong natural.
I think Shawn Ray beating Mike Ashley and Mike taking the title from the "cheater" is very ironic. It is like in the 88 Olympics where Carl Lewis who has been proven to have used all kind of stuff took the gold medal from Ben Johnson who might have been taking less than Carl.
bailey,
I heard that stuff, too. I think it was Jean Paul Guillaume who was appalled at what Mike Ashley was doing on the side while claiming to be natural.
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BINGO !!!
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BINGO !!!
So much about another one of our natural heroes ;D
Maybe Mike was natural at some point in his BB career and he might have been on less stuff than others but I tend to doubt very strongly his proclaimed lifelong drug free status.
And regarding the food log: Andy Muenzer kept one too, he was very meticulous about it and did I mention he passed a drug test, too ?
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Brian Buchanan has a stall in islington market London selling west Indian food,he still looks massive but has not trained for years and has no intention of doing so .and looks very Heathy
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Also, many "naturals" will take clen, cytomel, etc. I guess that means they're natural, but it certainly helps them maintain nuch more muscle.'
I'm not saying that was done here - but we all know that the term natural means different things to different people (ask Gustavo about his arms).
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Mike said he was All Natural, what;'s not to believe?
Who am "I" to question whether he was lying or not?
Why would he Lie?
He looked Natural to me. :-\
Peace,
S. Ray
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Mike said he was All Natural, what;'s not to believe?
Who am "I" to question whether he was lying or not?
Why would he Lie?
He looked Natural to me. :-\
Peace,
S. Ray
Why would he lie??? I think the dust in your empty pocket can think of 60,000 reasons, Shawn.
Special "99% Drug Free" Ed
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Mike didn't have a say in the Results of the Drug test?
Mike Christian passed the Test too and he NEVER claimed to be natural and had inside info regarding passing the test I later learned after he stopped competing.
Now when you associate Balco, Victor Conte and Ashley together prior to the Arnold, you have to ask yourself............Why would Mike lie about being Natural?
Why would he Not pass a Drug test?
Things that make you go.............Hhhhhhhhh hhmmmmmmmmmm
The light shines in Dark places eentually the truth comes out. :-\
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You also have to remember that 80% of the pub Ashley got was due to his "natural" status.
Barry Bonds and Mike Ashley are the two greatest self-proclaimed naturals of all time!
Special "74 Homers or Bust" Ed
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I think Bonds' "natural" statement was meant to be like Gustavos'. Nothing additional to roids were used...
:D
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The other Natural, Skip LaCour, has a twin brother who is as genetically gifted as Skip. He looks like he's on and trains is ass off, but he doesn't. Now if Skip can look like he does and he's religious about dieting, even how much salt he puts on food, that he travels with a George Forman Grill and a rice steamer. Mike could be the genetic freak that Skip is. I never believed it till I saw him with his bro at a show where he was guest posing and his brother was selling Skips pics and AST sups at a booth. When Skip came and took over it looked like the same guy in baggies. Genetics are a 1 in 1000 shot, but some people just have to look at a weight and they grow. I hate the pricks.
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I personally asked a few IFBB pro's about Mike's claim & they all had the same answer, " Well, I guess he could be considered natural, Cause growth hormone is not considered a steroid." Words to that effect. Looking at him, that jaw-line & forehead look suspect. You can't see it in these photo's, but the man had the pointiest elbow's I ever saw which is supposedly another sign.
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Mike, I want my Arnold Trophy BACK!
Can a brutha get some Change too!
ARE WE CLEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
Natural or not, he passed the test, you messed up.
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Shawn is being very diplomatic. Mike was not natural, everyone knew it.As far as Skip La Cour being natural, hes as natural as Mike Ashley.
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Think about it. The Ashley of 1986 was light years ahead of the absolute best natural competitor in 2006 - TWENTY YEARS of knowledge, superior supplementation, more efficient machines, and egg whites in a jar, and no one even remotely resembles this guy's level of muscle, density and condition. Bitch please!
Very dumb post. Training knowledge hasn't increased, machines have gotten worse, and supplements make very little difference.
Also, I don't see how he's "light years" ahead of today's natural competitors. He can't weigh much over 200 in those photos.
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I thought Ashley admitted to using in a Muscle Mag article around 2001-2? He said he was natural, but then would use for only like 10 weeks prior to a contest. He said people would see him 'off' and be like "man, I can beat this guy." Then he would use for 2 and a half months and win. Anyone else ever read this? Maybe being on for only 2 months, he called himself natural?
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I have known Mike for years and he has always looked the same - even now that he has not competed in about 10 years.
Shawn, stop crying and get providing for your family (2nd on the way, right?). With the questionable supplements you promote for Vyotech with NO scientific basis or substaniation, you should not be calling out anyone.
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Yeah, Shawn needs more recent pics for the ad campaign of Vyotec. Think about it, a NEW supplement with pics of a BB that are 5-6 years OLD. Do you think the average consumer thinks about that? Like "man, I can look like that if I take vyotec," when the picture is of someone who has not used it (b/c the pic is from before the stuff was invented)??? Shawn needs to train with the stuff and put up new pics,,,,would sell more...maybe.
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Yeah, Shawn needs more recent pics for the ad campaign of Vyotec. Think about it, a NEW supplement with pics of a BB that are 5-6 years OLD. Do you think the average consumer thinks about that? Like "man, I can look like that if I take vyotec," when the picture is of someone who has not used it (b/c the pic is from before the stuff was invented)??? Shawn needs to train with the stuff and put up new pics,,,,would sell more...maybe.
I think the advertisers are banking on people not know that the pics of Shawn are old. Newbies spend the most on these exotic hyped up supps anyway.
I saved this. ;D
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/s-ray.JPG
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This pro I'm talking about placed very low in the 1988 Mr O . which Is amazing considering he Is 100 percent natural and no one has ever doubted or protested it. He competed at about 185 lbs. Thats a far as ill go with that. So there is your answer for a Fact !!!! Mike Ashley was a lier.
Are you talking about paul-jean guillaume?
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Mike didn't have a say in the Results of the Drug test?
Mike Christian passed the Test too and he NEVER claimed to be natural and had inside info regarding passing the test I later learned after he stopped competing.
Now when you associate Balco, Victor Conte and Ashley together prior to the Arnold, you have to ask yourself............Why would Mike lie about being Natural?
Why would he Not pass a Drug test?
Things that make you go.............Hhhhhhhhh hhmmmmmmmmmm
The light shines in Dark places eentually the truth comes out. :-\
I feel that Mike was pretty much drug free , at least for most of his career, hard to be sure when he was a pro, bottom line is this (again). The IFBB drug testing program was hit or miss when they tried it and met with lukewarm , inconsistent results. Mike left the sport and never climbed the o ladder, as did YOU Mr Ray, what else really matters anyway.
Howard