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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: equipoise on February 29, 2016, 04:23:01 PM
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How on earth did this guy gain mass so fast? From what I see he was a really good natural so he knows how to train and diet. I'm guessing its a fair amount of AAS (but more so GH and slin) and good drug response + knowing how to use drugs appropriately
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Doesn't take that long if you have proper genetics.
(http://www.ambal.ru/42510561191f.jpg)
What most wishful thinking roid users don't comprehend…. is that they do not have proper genetics.
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Give anyone 7-10 grams of gear per week, 30-40iu of pharm grade GH per day, and 100's of iu of slin per day, and they can achieve pro size. Most people won't even attempt it. He's not a genetic wonder, nor are most of them. When you're taking that much shit, trust me your body will respond to it. There's no magic formula how to use the drugs either, it's simple. The so called 'coaches' are nothing more than drug connections.
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Give anyone 7-10 grams of gear per week, 30-40iu of pharm grade GH per day, and 100's of iu of slin per day, and they can achieve pro size. Most people won't even attempt it. He's not a genetic wonder, nor are most of them. When you're taking that much shit, trust me your body will respond to it. There's no magic formula how to use the drugs either, it's simple. The so called 'coaches' are nothing more than drug connections.
true, however his genetics are good though. He may win the Olympia one day.
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Have to admit that pec-delt tie in gives me a half chub.
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Give anyone 7-10 grams of gear per week, 30-40iu of pharm grade GH per day, and 100's of iu of slin per day, and they can achieve pro size. Most people won't even attempt it. He's not a genetic wonder, nor are most of them. When you're taking that much shit, trust me your body will respond to it. There's no magic formula how to use the drugs either, it's simple. The so called 'coaches' are nothing more than drug connections.
How important are the GH and insulin? Are they "the finishing touch"? Or do they account for 30 Lbs of the mass? Because I might like to try a multi-gram blast in future, but not with GH (too expensive) or insulin (too risky).
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Give anyone 7-10 grams of gear per week, 30-40iu of pharm grade GH per day, and 100's of iu of slin per day, and they can achieve pro size. Most people won't even attempt it. He's not a genetic wonder, nor are most of them. When you're taking that much shit, trust me your body will respond to it. There's no magic formula how to use the drugs either, it's simple. The so called 'coaches' are nothing more than drug connections.
Dealer talk.
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How important are the GH and insulin? Are they "the finishing touch"? Or do they account for 30 Lbs of the mass? Because I might like to try a multi-gram blast in future, but not with GH (too expensive) or insulin (too risky).
all the AAS in the world with no GH or slin = 70s BB look at best.
GH and slin account for at least 30lbs stage weight (even if most is just intramuscular water)
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all the AAS in the world with no GH or slin = 70s BB look at best.
GH and slin account for at least 30lbs stage weight (even if most is just intramuscular water)
Not going for a BB look, but hoping to get close (/closer) to this:
(http://70sbig.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/doug-deadlift-297x400.jpg)
FYI: My chest carpet is already G2G, just need to get bigger and stronger. :D
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all the AAS in the world with no GH or slin = 70s BB look at best.
GH and slin account for at least 30lbs stage weight (even if most is just intramuscular water)
70's, 80's and 90's was the best look for me. Shame i dont have money for GH, because im afraid i will never get to the size i would like. 70's is not big enough for me.
Yes im very insecure person.
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Not going for a BB look, but hoping to get close (/closer) to this:
(http://70sbig.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/doug-deadlift-297x400.jpg)
FYI: My chest carpet is already G2G, just need to get bigger and stronger. :D
just eat like a fat fuck and blast AAS like crazy then :D
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70's, 80's and 90's was the best look for me. Shame i dont have money for GH, because im afraid i will never get to the size i would like. 70's is not big enough for me.
Yes im very insecure person.
yeah, the era when slin and GH where first introduced/abused (but not to the point they do today) was the best balance between insane mass and conditioning imo...
levrone, yates, lee priest, early ronnie etc.
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Give anyone 7-10 grams of gear per week, 30-40iu of pharm grade GH per day, and 100's of iu of slin per day, and they can achieve pro size. Most people won't even attempt it. He's not a genetic wonder, nor are most of them. When you're taking that much shit, trust me your body will respond to it. There's no magic formula how to use the drugs either, it's simple. The so called 'coaches' are nothing more than drug connections.
I'm not sure about that. I look at a lot of pros that have been abusing everything they can get their hands on and not many have put on the pure lean muscle that Justin has in such a short time.
Just like response to training, response to hormones vary widely depending on your genetics. Ronnie wasn't Ronnies because he took more hormones than everybody else.
I think it's apparent that Justin has well above average genetics for bbing.
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just eat like a fat fuck and blast AAS like crazy then :D
So you're saying add in the AAS then. Eating like a fat fuck is something I have down to an art. ;D
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Not going for a BB look, but hoping to get close (/closer) to this:
(http://70sbig.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/doug-deadlift-297x400.jpg)
FYI: My chest carpet is already G2G, just need to get bigger and stronger. :D
big bad Doug Young... FUCK YEAH 8) 8) 8)
and he was pretty damn lean as well
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"pretty damn lean" for a powerlifter maybe :D
hes fat as fuck from a bodybuilder standpoint
and lacking that pop and volume (but well hes a powerlifter so he obviously didnt care).. a dense and strong mofo nonetheless
probably abused mostly heavy androgens like crazy (as all powerlifters)
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all the AAS in the world with no GH or slin = 70s BB look at best.
GH and slin account for at least 30lbs stage weight (even if most is just intramuscular water)
No not the 70's, the 80's was when the bodybuilders still looked slender. The 70's will not even win a regional today. I won an overall in a regional with just test, primo, tren var etc.
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"pretty damn lean" for a powerlifter maybe :D
hes fat as fuck from a bodybuilder standpoint
and lacking that pop and volume (but well hes a powerlifter so he obviously didnt care).. a dense and strong mofo nonetheless
probably abused mostly heavy androgens like crazy (as all powerlifters)
2nd that, also does not look like a dude i would want to fuck with
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I'm not sure about that. I look at a lot of pros that have been abusing everything they can get their hands on and not many have put on the pure lean muscle that Justin has in such a short time.
Just like response to training, response to hormones vary widely depending on your genetics. Ronnie wasn't Ronnies because he took more hormones than everybody else.
I think it's apparent that Justin has well above average genetics for bbing.
I hate to agree with this guy, but gotta here.
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"pretty damn lean" for a powerlifter maybe :D
hes fat as fuck from a bodybuilder standpoint
and lacking that pop and volume (but well hes a powerlifter so he obviously didnt care).. a dense and strong mofo nonetheless
probably abused mostly heavy androgens like crazy (as all powerlifters)
that's true about being "fat" from a bb point of view, but i'm wondering how much of it is fat and how much of it is "wet"
he's bodyfat is 8% i'd say, or is it closer to 10% in your opinion?
and as far as the androgens go it's most likely drol and/or halo, i'm guessing, but if he's on more halo then he would he be drier, yes?
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that's true about being "fat" from a bb point of view, but i'm wondering how much of it is fat and how much of it is "wet"
he's bodyfat is 8% i'd say, or is it closer to 10% in your opinion?
and as far as the androgens go it's most likely drol and/or halo, i'm guessing, but if he's on more halo then he would he be drier, yes?
No where near 10%.... You have visible abbs at 1o
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No where near 10%.... You have visible abbs at 1o
he looks pretty lean here ie. 8-10%
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Give anyone 7-10 grams of gear per week, 30-40iu of pharm grade GH per day, and 100's of iu of slin per day, and they can achieve pro size. Most people won't even attempt it. He's not a genetic wonder, nor are most of them. When you're taking that much shit, trust me your body will respond to it. There's no magic formula how to use the drugs either, it's simple. The so called 'coaches' are nothing more than drug connections.
30-40iu of pharm GH? bit of an exaggeration there id say
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Dealer talk.
Bullshit, this is standard, you're clueless.
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30-40iu of pharm GH? bit of an exaggeration there id say
Wanna bet? That's a standard dose. Those that can afford more, use more. Believe what you want, you're wrong though.
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How important are the GH and insulin? Are they "the finishing touch"? Or do they account for 30 Lbs of the mass? Because I might like to try a multi-gram blast in future, but not with GH (too expensive) or insulin (too risky).
GH and slin are everything in bodybuilding today. Those are the two main compounds that account for the size and thickness you see today in bodybuilding.
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So what do they use to actually stay awake?
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Adderall, Provigil, meth, Coke. You name it. A lot of these guys abuse rec drugs as well. We're not dealing with normal people. Some sleep all day when not eating, or training.
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Wanna bet? That's a standard dose. Those that can afford more, use more. Believe what you want, you're wrong though.
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10iu 3x a day is standard dose people take to be competitive in today's BB contests unless they can't afford it.
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that's true about being "fat" from a bb point of view, but i'm wondering how much of it is fat and how much of it is "wet"
he's bodyfat is 8% i'd say, or is it closer to 10% in your opinion?
and as far as the androgens go it's most likely drol and/or halo, i'm guessing, but if he's on more halo then he would he be drier, yes?
in the first 2 pics posted he is 15% bodyfat at best... lol @ 8%
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in the first 2 pics posted he is 15% bodyfat at best... lol @ 8%
wonder what 15 would put him at :D
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Doesn't take that long if you have proper genetics.
(http://www.ambal.ru/42510561191f.jpg)
What most wishful thinking roid users don't comprehend…. is that they do not have proper genetics.
Don't understand why he gets so much of the "dead by 5 o'clock" rhetoric, he's not doing anything different to those before him.
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Lol I wonder how he doesn't have a panic attack about taking all the drugs to get to that level. I just wonder to myself how these guys can take so much stuff and still be alive. I mean at his size wouldn't he pretty much have to be on all sorts of medication to keep the side effects under control? Wouldn't his blood pressure and cholesterol levels be through the roof?
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:D
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I want that fucking machine^^anybody know what that bitch is called?
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I want that fucking machine^^anybody know what that bitch is called?
"the Power Nazi".
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"the Power Nazi".
(http://rs990.pbsrc.com/albums/af26/Mamma4ever/Gifs%20for%20Blogging/funny/4r9a54.gif~c200)
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(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/p640x640/12383128_173280026384997_1656740531_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTE5NTk3NzkzNTI5NzE0NTI3Ng%3D%3D.2)
:D
I know that machine looks great to me. I am not a huge machine guy but that def would be a nice addition to my gym
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Give anyone 7-10 grams of gear per week, 30-40iu of pharm grade GH per day, and 100's of iu of slin per day, and they can achieve pro size. Most people won't even attempt it. He's not a genetic wonder, nor are most of them. When you're taking that much shit, trust me your body will respond to it. There's no magic formula how to use the drugs either, it's simple. The so called 'coaches' are nothing more than drug connections.
boom this guy nailed it on the COACHES
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I'm not sure about that. I look at a lot of pros that have been abusing everything they can get their hands on and not many have put on the pure lean muscle that Justin has in such a short time.
Just like response to training, response to hormones vary widely depending on your genetics. Ronnie wasn't Ronnies because he took more hormones than everybody else.
I think it's apparent that Justin has well above average genetics for bbing.
You say Ronnie wasn't Ronnie because of drugs.that reminds me of something I'll never forget. In 95 i was getting ready for a show and I went over to Joe McNeil's house and we were just talking and I don't remember how it got brought up but he said matter of factly ,Ronnie Coleman gonna be Mr.olympa no one is gonna be able to beat him.I wasn't going to argue with Joe ,he knew a lot more than me,but I was thinking Coleman ain't nothing certainly no Mr. Olympia.Well you know the rest.point is Joe knew something, it wasn't like Ronnie just came on the scene he had been grinding away for many years and showed no signs of being the super freak he became.that's been haunting me all these years did Joe know something about Ronnie's drug regimine or was it genetics.
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You say Ronnie wasn't Ronnie because of drugs.that reminds me of something I'll never forget. In 95 i was getting ready for a show and I went over to Joe McNeil's house and we were just talking and I don't remember how it got brought up but he said matter of factly ,Ronnie Coleman gonna be Mr.olympa no one is gonna be able to beat him.I wasn't going to argue with Joe ,he knew a lot more than me,but I was thinking Coleman ain't nothing certainly no Mr. Olympia.Well you know the rest.point is Joe knew something, it wasn't like Ronnie just came on the scene he had been grinding away for many years and showed no signs of being the super freak he became.that's been haunting me all these years did Joe know something about Ronnie's drug regimine or was it genetics.
Well, just to be clear, I never said that Ronnie wasn't Ronnie because of drugs. There would be no 8X Mr. O Ronnie if it wasn't for drugs. I said that Ronnie didn't destroy all his competition because he took more drugs than everybody else. At the O level everyone of stage abuse hormones like few can imagine. There's not a huge difference in their hormone abuse and the way they train and the way they eat. So why does one win and the other lose? It's genetics. How one respond to hormones, training and nutrition.
Ronnie's response to hormones, training and nutrition was just better than everybody else. I mean, there was no doubt the Levrone was a super responder and when you see him standing alone you wonder how this guys was not a Mr. O. But when he stands next to Ronnie this super freak looked small.
One can do and take everything that Ronnie and Kevin does but only a fraction of one percent will get similar results.
Hormones are an absolute necessary but insufficient condition to be a champion.
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/fceeb38911e85ae5b4814ccc5839c909/tumblr_niteqvtUzE1rs4ej4o1_500.jpg)
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+1
10iu 3x a day is standard dose people take to be competitive in today's BB contests unless they can't afford it.
How do they avoid the crippling carpal tunnel pain and joints swelling etc from such high doses?
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How do they avoid the crippling carpal tunnel pain and joints swelling etc from such high doses?
It's mostly pain killers that get them through the day on that much GH.
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It's mostly pain killers that get them through the day on that much GH.
So what they're just full blown opiate addicts?
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How do they avoid the crippling carpal tunnel pain and joints swelling etc from such high doses?
you get used to gh dose. currently doing 9 IU ED and feel normal after a while on that dose. dunno how 30 IU ED feels like, lol.
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you get used to gh dose. currently doing 9 IU ED and feel normal after a while on that dose. dunno how 30 IU ED feels like, lol.
Exactly! No one starts out using 10ius/day let alone 30. Just like no one starts out at a gram/wk of Test let alone 5-8grams. As you advance you slowing increase dosage while at the same time building a tolerance over the years and decades.
And, remember, one of the many things that separates a top tier IFBB pro and the rest of us is not only their response to hormones but their tolerance as well. Not many can handle 2gr/wk Tren no matter how long they've used the compound.
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There is a site that has a guy that competes in the Olympia and the Arnold. This Pro talkes about gear and SEO usage in the Pros and holds nothing back. He has told his usage and other Pro friends usage to a certain extent. Everything is annoymous but he has been confirmed to be a top ten at the Olympia by the site. He has said that he couldn't have a regular job because he injects so many times a day it takes up a lot of time. This guy has talked some crazy shit and it seems to be very legit. He is close to Ronnie and claims Ronnie said that his morphism from contender Pro to legit Mr Olympia was HGH dosage. Ronnie used a ton for his first win and funneled his winnings each year into Pharmacy HGH to keep the title. At his peak he was running a kit a day. This guy has repeated it often....at Ronnies peak he worked up to 100 units of growth daily. Not to mention a truck load of gear and other doctor scrips for organ health. He doesn't worry about talking about the dosages as long as everything stays annonymous. For the most part nobody believes what is being used and in even guessing they are way off. The average Joe believes that 1000mg test, 500mg Deca and 2 Anadrol a day will kill you in 6 weeks. LMAO
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Exactly! No one starts out using 10ius/day let alone 30. Just like no one starts out at a gram/wk of Test let alone 5-8grams. As you advance you slowing increase dosage while at the same time building a tolerance over the years and decades.
And, remember, one of the many things that separates a top tier IFBB pro and the rest of us is not only their response to hormones but their tolerance as well. Not many can handle 2gr/wk Tren no matter how long they've used the compound.
One of the things he said was dosage needs to be increased or compounds changed every few weeks. It goes on for a long time building up dosages and constantly growing. Everything is gradually upped for months and months.
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There is a site that has a guy that competes in the Olympia and the Arnold. This Pro talkes about gear and SEO usage in the Pros and holds nothing back. He has told his usage and other Pro friends usage to a certain extent. Everything is annoymous but he has been confirmed to be a top ten at the Olympia by the site. He has said that he couldn't have a regular job because he injects so many times a day it takes up a lot of time. This guy has talked some crazy shit and it seems to be very legit. He is close to Ronnie and claims Ronnie said that his morphism from contender Pro to legit Mr Olympia was HGH dosage. Ronnie used a ton for his first win and funneled his winnings each year into Pharmacy HGH to keep the title. At his peak he was running a kit a day. This guy has repeated it often....at Ronnies peak he worked up to 100 units of growth daily. Not to mention a truck load of gear and other doctor scrips for organ health. He doesn't worry about talking about the dosages as long as everything stays annonymous. For the most part nobody believes what is being used and in even guessing they are way off. The average Joe believes that 1000mg test, 500mg Deca and 2 Anadrol a day will kill you in 6 weeks. LMAO
Which site is this? I find Ronnie's 100u daily hgh hard to believe, but who knows?!
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Which site is this? I find Ronnie's 100u daily hgh hard to believe, but who knows?!
100 units a day...shit i thought above 30 it got counter productive.
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Lol at 100iu a day... Why not 1000ius ? ::)
Those guys are genetic freaks, add a good amount of drugs and you got a pro.
Ever heard of diminishing returns ? 4g of test will work marginaly better than 1,5g-2g, same with all the other compounds.
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there was some interview with jay on youtube not to long ago, he literally made one quick comment about drugs because the distension of stomach was brought up. Cutler did say "everyones is using the same shit" just thought that was interesting how true that is i dunno , obviously one can afford more then some
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I call bullshit on 100iu GH/day. Ronnie couldn't afford food, let alone drugs, when he first finished college, yet had a very respectable physique. The guy is not your average gym rat. I personally know natties who could compete at the state level and not get blown off the stage. Am I saying guys like Ronnie didn't megadose (especially 03 Ronnie), no, absolutely not. Chad probably had Ronnie pumping shit like no tomorrow for that Mr. O. But 100iu growth? C'mon.
Ronnie, Jay, Cormier, Wheeler, Levrone, etc... have amazing response to gear and training. These guys can take half the shit an average gym rat takes and step on the O stage. There's a reason there is only 1 Ronnie out there and not 1000 of them running around every gym. If it was "just take more drugs" then nothing would stop anyone from becoming Mr. O, or at least LOOK like Mr. O.
Have you seen Levrone lately? You really think he's running 10g of gear and even close to 100iu of gh? The guy is a lean 250 right now, and if I had to guess is running nothing close to what he ran when he was competing at the O (ie, under 2g gear, and maybe 10iu gh IF THAT, and that's on the high side I would think).
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Lol at 100iu a day... Why not 1000ius ? ::)
Those guys are genetic freaks, add a good amount of drugs and you got a pro.
Ever heard of diminishing returns ? 4g of test will work marginaly better than 1,5g-2g, same with all the other compounds.
so what is test's sweet spot? according to da net drols sweet spot is 100 mg ed and deca's is 600 mg
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there was some interview with jay on youtube not to long ago, he literally made one quick comment about drugs because the distension of stomach was brought up. Cutler did say "everyones is using the same shit" just thought that was interesting how true that is i dunno , obviously one can afford more then some
Same shit different amounts, protocol's
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Which site is this? I find Ronnie's 100u daily hgh hard to believe, but who knows?!
Cagedfreak over on AB.
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Take it however you want:
his exact convo with me was long and drawn out as we discussed gear useage extensively, the bullet point was that after his first Olympia win he used the prize winnings exclusively on hgh in order to solidify his role as mr. Olympia....this is the reason he continued working until he won several Olympias because until his finaces were able to be supporeted by bodybuilding he needed to work as a cop to pay his day to day bills and his bodybuilding salary went to his gear..... he would exceed 100iu a day year round, basically hed rotate from 30iu 3x a day to 30iu 4x day....averaging out to be roughly 100iu a day or a "kit" a day, and it was always humatrope or seros as he simply couldn't afford to have bunk hgh at his level.[/QUOTE]
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so what is test's sweet spot? according to da net drols sweet spot is 100 mg ed and deca's is 600 mg
Depends on the person and how you handle the sides. But from anecdotal evidences i gathered 99% of people dont get anything more above around 1,5g.
I mean look at bostin loyd... he has been using 10-12g of gear. If gains were proportional to the amount of gear used he would be almost the biggest person on the planet, but there are many people using 10 times less being as big as him or even bigger.
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Depends on the person and how you handle the sides. But from anecdotal evidences i gathered 99% of people dont get anything more above around 1,5g.
I mean look at bostin loyd... he has been using 10-12g of gear. If gains were proportional to the amount of gear used he would be almost the biggest person on the planet, but there are many people using 10 times less being as big as him or even bigger.
people dont go from left to right in a year on a gram of test though.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Z_jfhSA1rLI/hqdefault.jpg)
time is still the biggest factor, on matter how much shit you run... most people dont realize this
gear should be run according to where you WANT TO BE, not where you are (obviously dont start with a 5g stack if youre a skinny girl lol)
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He went from not training/completly off gear to training and eating right and taking massive amount of shit.
I dont find him overly impressive, plenty of competitors look like this on a fraction of what hes taking... Also most of his gains are in his arms and delts which he site inject like a mofo.
Still an elite physique dont get me wrong, but could be achieved with way less gear imo.
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He went from not training/completly off gear to training and eating right and taking massive amount of shit.
I dont find him overly impressive, plenty of competitors look like this on a fraction of what hes taking... Also most of his gains are in his arms and delts which he site inject like a mofo.
Still an elite physique dont get me wrong, but could be achieved with way less gear imo.
True, although his latest and current stack is not that ridiculous, his doses are way down on before, and he's looking better than ever, so perhaps he's realised that for himself.
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people dont go from left to right in a year on a gram of test though.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Z_jfhSA1rLI/hqdefault.jpg)
time is still the biggest factor, on matter how much shit you run... most people dont realize this
gear should be run according to where you WANT TO BE, not where you are (obviously dont start with a 5g stack if youre a skinny girl lol)
Speaking of girls i remember a thread on reddit where this skinny chick took like 100mg of npp a week or some insanely low dose and blew up, rounded delts and lats and all. I think females respond a lot better to anabolics than men
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Speaking of girls i remember a thread on reddit where this skinny chick took like 100mg of npp a week or some insanely low dose and blew up, rounded delts and lats and all. I think females respond a lot better to anabolics than men
i actually wrote cnut but getbig censoring kicked in lol
but yeah i guess females respond better cuz they simply have a lot less
going from 100mg test a week to 1000mg is probably similar to going from 1mg to 100mg...
are you talking about the chick who posted her enlarged roid clit btw? :D some weird fuckers on there but also some good info