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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: NickEdge779 on March 23, 2016, 04:40:30 PM
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It has been shown in medical studies that there is no difference in side effects between 250mg and 600mg a week of test and it seems above 600mg is when negative side effects become more apparent. So why skimp with cruising on 150-200mg when you can cruise on 600mg and get better gains and no side effect difference. Is it more strain on the heart? I don't see how it can be if you donate blood every 3 months. And I dont see how you can be "more shutdown" on 600mg test vs 250mg. Your testicles are shut down anyways even on 100mg test. It makes no difference.
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it seems that most peeps on the net say that 200 mg test per week is the ideal cruise dose, with a variance ranging from 100 mg to 300 mg (100 to 125 mg is real trt dose, not 2 or 300 like some here try to say :D :D :D)
i've used up to 875 mg per week without issues ie. one amp of sust eod
i did try 1 amp per day which is 1750 mg per week and it was too much
from what i've read deca and primo are "safer" than test so if this is true then maybe it's better to stack one of them with test, both at lower doses, for a lifetime cruise?
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For one thing, you will definitely need an AI at anything over 200-250mg per week. At 600mg without an AI your e2 levels will be out of control, therefore tonnes of water retention and likely some fat gain. Expect poor lipids when using an AI and that's not a good thing when you intend to use for life!
Haemocrit and the prostate would be two other concerns, but perhaps your studies cite there isn't a greater adverse effect on these two at 250 v 600?
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Technically you can cruise on any dosage.
600mg was the dosage used in the study, but that doesn't mean it's a safe long term dose.
Having said this, I know a guy who's been on a 1000mg cruise for over 15 years with no issues, so go figure.
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I love life on test, I'm sure it will take a few years off but the quality of life is so much better.
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It has been shown in medical studies that there is no difference in side effects between 250mg and 600mg a week of test and it seems above 600mg is when negative side effects become more apparent. So why skimp with cruising on 150-200mg when you can cruise on 600mg and get better gains and no side effect difference. Is it more strain on the heart? I don't see how it can be if you donate blood every 3 months. And I dont see how you can be "more shutdown" on 600mg test vs 250mg. Your testicles are shut down anyways even on 100mg test. It makes no difference.
"No sides at 600mg a week" lol...naive.
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I love life on test, I'm sure it will take a few years off but the quality of life is so much better.
I sooooooooooooooooooooooo o agree with this.
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For one thing, you will definitely need an AI at anything over 200-250mg per week. At 600mg without an AI your e2 levels will be out of control, therefore tonnes of water retention and likely some fat gain. Expect poor lipids when using an AI and that's not a good thing when you intend to use for life!
Haemocrit and the prostate would be two other concerns, but perhaps your studies cite there isn't a greater adverse effect on these two at 250 v 600?
Agreed. At 250 mg/w I rarely (but sometimes) need an AI. At 200 mg/w I wouldn't need any ancillary, ever. To me that is a (very crude) marker of safety.
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so much broscience and misinformation in this thread
i dont even know where to start lol
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Also If you take enough test you will get immune from estrogen side effect after 5month
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Also If you take enough test you will get immune from estrogen side effect after 5month
Why? Do your e2 levels drop to within normal ranges?
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Juice till you piss blood
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Why? Do your e2 levels drop to within normal ranges?
I was trolling hard
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Just do a pubmed search on testosterone.. They compared 200 mg vs 400 vs 600... Sides went up as dose went up, mainly alterations on cholesterol among other things...
I was thinking along ur lines though, like cruising on 400 test 300 deca for a few years.
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Just do a pubmed search on testosterone.. They compared 200 mg vs 400 vs 600... Sides went up as dose went up, mainly alterations on cholesterol among other things...
I was thinking along ur lines though, like cruising on 400 test 300 deca for a few years.
I've been on 500mg test & 300mg deca for about 8 months now & it has been amazing. I wouldn't call this a cruise, as it's a low dose cycle imo, but it's been great & I can see myself using this as my base cruise dose now & just having a couple of blast cycles a year to gain more muscle.
The Deca makes everything feel sooooooooooooo good & the test keep sme full, maintains my gains etc.
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It has been shown in medical studies that there is no difference in side effects between 250mg and 600mg a week of test and it seems above 600mg is when negative side effects become more apparent. So why skimp with cruising on 150-200mg when you can cruise on 600mg and get better gains and no side effect difference. Is it more strain on the heart? I don't see how it can be if you donate blood every 3 months. And I dont see how you can be "more shutdown" on 600mg test vs 250mg. Your testicles are shut down anyways even on 100mg test. It makes no difference.
Youth.... ::)
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I've been on 500mg test & 300mg deca for about 8 months now & it has been amazing. I wouldn't call this a cruise, as it's a low dose cycle imo, but it's been great & I can see myself using this as my base cruise dose now & just having a couple of blast cycles a year to gain more muscle.
The Deca makes everything feel sooooooooooooo good & the test keep sme full, maintains my gains etc.
Lol, 8 months is a cycle. Any bad effects? Blood work done? That makes me feel better others are doing the same... Do use caber with that low dose of deca? I was thinking B6 may be all u need on those levels for the prolactin etc...
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Lol, 8 months is a cycle. Any bad effects? Blood work done? That makes me feel better others are doing the same... Do use caber with that low dose of deca? I was thinking B6 may be all u need on those levels for the prolactin etc...
No sides or bad effects.
I take 1/4 femera 2x a week & that's all I need to keep estrogen at bay.
I had blood tests all was well. Mind you, I don't drink, do drugs or eat much crap & keep my bf around 10-12% tops, which really makes a difference imo.
I used 400mg B6 a day & that did the trick.
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Honestly I feel best mentally on about 100mg a week. But muscle is better with a higher dose than that of course. I'm still striving to keep my doses low
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I look better off low test and high nandro and other compounds.
I feel better on more test lower nandro.
Only exception is tren, I feel amazing on whatever dose, except when i get the mindfk at night.
Eq nukes my libido as well.
Imho best cruising dose, is the highest dose of test that you can use without needing ANY ancillery or getting any side effect because this is the dose your body can tolerate.
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Only way to know for sure is to get bloodwork done. I can use 750mg of test per week for months on end and I don't need an AI at all. I don't get gyno at all no matter what or how much I take. I have a friend that needs an AI at 250mg per week. Everyone is different, and you really should be getting labs done at least twice a year if you're always on.
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Here goes nothing but I actually feel my best in 125mg of test a week and 500 hcg Monday Wednesday Friday. With the hcg I have to use have an arimidex tablet Monday and Thursday. But honestly can say I never feel better than on cruise
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At 600mgs a week a lot of extra side effects will most likely happen. Some people could probably cruise on 600mgs a week and not have side effects but most people would see negative effects eventually. Me personally I would experience hair loss, high estrogen, high hematocrit levels, high blood pressure, and worse lipids. A lot of the guys on here are vets and seem to not get many negative side effects so I expect most of you just tolerate steroids very well.
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At 600mgs a week a lot of extra side effects will most likely happen. Some people could probably cruise on 600mgs a week and not have side effects but most people would see negative effects eventually. Me personally I would experience hair loss, high estrogen, high hematocrit levels, high blood pressure, and worse lipids. A lot of the guys on here are vets and seem to not get many negative side effects so I expect most of you just tolerate steroids very well.
test didn't kick my ass side effect wise til i took it up to 1750 mg per week
currently i'm running 875 mg per week and all is well
i plan to get some deca in about 3 weeks and then i'll drop the test to 700 mg per week and add in 560 mg of deca
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test didn't kick my ass side effect wise til i took it up to 1750 mg per week
currently i'm running 875 mg per week and all is well
i plan to get some deca in about 3 weeks and then i'll drop the test to 700 mg per week and add in 560 mg of deca
Lol at those numbers. 875 test, 560 deca...
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test didn't kick my ass side effect wise til i took it up to 1750 mg per week
currently i'm running 875 mg per week and all is well
i plan to get some deca in about 3 weeks and then i'll drop the test to 700 mg per week and add in 560 mg of deca
Just out of curiosity do you live a pretty healthy lifestyle in order to take that much stuff and have in range blood tests?
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Lol at those numbers. 875 test, 560 deca...
my shit ain't pharma grade though :D :D :D
Just out of curiosity do you live a pretty healthy lifestyle in order to take that much stuff and have in range blood tests?
not really, i eat shit most the time, ie. pizza, french fries, cheeseburgers, etc
a few years ago i abused alcohol for a good 5-6 years and during that time i had blood work liver check with sonagram or whatever the fuck that machine is that does x-rays of the internal organs and the doc said your liver is doing ok, do you really abuse alcohol like that? :D
the thing is, it all comes down to genetics, some folks can handle abusing drugs, alcohol, etc and some can't
my grandad is 96 and he smokes and drinks every damn day along with a shit diet and he is going strong, living on his own no assistance
my great grandmother lived to be 98 and she had a good awful diet of bacon, ice cream etc her whole life
imo genetics determine your health and healthy diet may help just a little bit, but the thing is i was always fit and sporty as a kid so maybe that made me healthier later in life, who knows?
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my shit ain't pharma grade though :D :D :D
not really, i eat shit most the time, ie. pizza, french fries, cheeseburgers, etc
a few years ago i abused alcohol for a good 5-6 years and during that time i had blood work liver check with sonagram or whatever the fuck that machine is that does x-rays of the internal organs and the doc said your liver is doing ok, do you really abuse alcohol like that? :D
the thing is, it all comes down to genetics, some folks can handle abusing drugs, alcohol, etc and some can't
my grandad is 96 and he smokes and drinks every damn day along with a shit diet and he is going strong, living on his own no assistance
my great grandmother lived to be 98 and she had a good awful diet of bacon, ice cream etc her whole life
imo genetics determine your health and healthy diet may help just a little bit, but the thing is i was always fit and sporty as a kid so maybe that made me healthier later in life, who knows?
Then u better triple those doses son
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my shit ain't pharma grade though :D :D :D
not really, i eat shit most the time, ie. pizza, french fries, cheeseburgers, etc
a few years ago i abused alcohol for a good 5-6 years and during that time i had blood work liver check with sonagram or whatever the fuck that machine is that does x-rays of the internal organs and the doc said your liver is doing ok, do you really abuse alcohol like that? :D
the thing is, it all comes down to genetics, some folks can handle abusing drugs, alcohol, etc and some can't
my grandad is 96 and he smokes and drinks every damn day along with a shit diet and he is going strong, living on his own no assistance
my great grandmother lived to be 98 and she had a good awful diet of bacon, ice cream etc her whole life
imo genetics determine your health and healthy diet may help just a little bit, but the thing is i was always fit and sporty as a kid so maybe that made me healthier later in life, who knows?
Did drinking like that ever effect your testosterone levels?
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Then u better triple those doses son
;D ;D ;D
Did drinking like that ever effect your testosterone levels?
good question, but i haven't a clue, as the doc was only concerned about my liver, so we didn't do any test level checks
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My best mate can run 1500 test and 600 deca with no Ai or anything and test is off the chart and e2 is well with in range. He gets bloods every 4 months no issues what so ever. Dr said he is a freak. Conceived all three kids 2 boys and one girl on over a gram of test as well. Big guy 115kg not sure what that is in pounds but about 8% body fat. Has no interest in competing but everyone says he would dominate.
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lol ok so one study shows some blokes doing 600mg for a long cycle and health markers looked ok....so one study. lets not all run out and start doing yr round 600mg cycles. you guys are funny, one or two studies show deca is 11 times worse on arteries and tren has links to dementia in lab animals...and you find every excuse to deligetimize them. then one study shows 600mg blasts are inert and you all swear by the study. ive seen that study posted about 50 times on various boards over the last 5 years. i can count on one hand how many boards those tren and deca studies show up, and the pro-juice fiends make sure to provide ample judgement against them.
600mg PHARMA test....will...
-increase rbc and hematocrit
-drop hdl
-likely increase bp
-drive estrogen high without an AI
....in most people
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600mg PHARMA test....will...
-increase rbc and hematocrit
-drop hdl
-likely increase bp
-drive estrogen high without an AI
....in most people
most important part
and yes, youre right on