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damn really brings the emotions out from what it must have felt being there.Almost seems like a movie scene with the dialogue.
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Was it a controlled demolition? Missles disguised as airplanes? How come all Jews that worked in the WTC happened to not be there that day?
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Was it a controlled demolition? Missles disguised as airplanes? How come all Jews that worked in the WTC happened to not be there that day?
"Jet fuel can't melt steel beams!!!"
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I was in Brooklyn (Cobble Hill area) on 9/11 morning which is 2 stops on the F train from downtown Manhattan
i know it is cliche to hear this but it really was a beautiful fall morning.....it was ironic that such a tragedy happened on such a beautiful morning
i think it was a tuesday
all that aside, i remember seeing pieces of office memo in the air after the explosion
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And yet the "civilized" world keeps giving the fundamentally evil Islam a pass. With each and every horrific action done in its sky god's name.
Fuck the world and all its weakness.
Fuck the radical liberal who is ruining once-proud and strong nations.
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Timothy McVeigh
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And yet the "civilized" world keeps giving the fundamentally evil Islam a pass. With each and every horrific action done in its sky god's name.
Fuck the world and all its weakness.
Fuck the radical liberal who is ruining once-proud and strong nations.
??? You do realize that right after the USA started a war that's in its 15th year and has cost over $3 Trillion.
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15 years later I still don't understand how the towers collapsed. ???
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Something about this seems scripted? Fake? Feels like a production. Sell phones did not have video cameras like that back in the day so she using some type of video camera? I'm not saying it's not real it seems like a production to me
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15 years later I still don't understand how the towers collapsed. ???
Gravity is to blame.
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Something about this seems scripted? Fake? Feels like a production. Sell phones did not have video cameras like that back in the day so she using some type of video camera? I'm not saying it's not real it seems like a production to me
Apparently it's been private until recently.Video cameras that good were around back then, I had one myself 3 years before, a handicam too so was tiny.possibly some eerie music has been added around the time the 2nd plane hits but hard to tell.
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Timothy McVeigh
Weak.
Isolated incidents of this type perpetrated by non-Muslims are few and far between.
You throw out a single person's name.
I could provide seemingly endless names of groups in every corner of the world that are committed to doing violence in the name of just another fictitious sky god.
You're either a raghead or one of the radical liberals of which I speak. No other explanation for such idiocy.
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Weak.
Isolated incidents of this type perpetrated by non-Muslims are few and far between.
You throw out a single person's name.
I could provide seemingly endless names of groups in every corner of the world that are committed to doing violence in the name of just another fictitious sky god.
You're either a raghead or one of the radical liberals of which I speak. No other explanation for such idiocy.
Not to mention mcveigh was just the fall guy. Had nothing to do with the okc bombing.
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??? You do realize that right after the USA started a war that's in its 15th year and has cost over $3 Trillion.
Do you really think I'm unaware of the cataclysmic corruption in our governments?! Of the vile nature of our so-called "leaders"?
Why do you suppose I say, fuck the world?
It's all a cesspool of human weakness.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3544355/9-11-families-furious-Obama-administration-siding-Saudi-Arabia-country-threatens-pull-750-billion-U-S-assets-government-holds-liable-2001-terrorist-attacks.html
Victims of 9/11 families accuse Obama of 'siding with Saudi Arabia' by refusing to declassify 28 pages of report that 'shows Gulf nation backed atrocity' as they threaten to pull $750 billion in US assets
The administration has tried to stop Congress from passing the legislation
Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Juberi told Washington lawmakers the country would be forced to sell $750 billion in Treasury securities
The revelations come as President Obama decided whether to declassify 28 pages of sealed 9/11 documents
White House will make a decision by June
Bush and Obama administrations have refused to unseal the documents, arguing their release would jeopardize national security
Suggestions the files could expose a Saudi connection to the attacks
15 of the 19 hijackers - and Osama bin Laden - were from Saudi Arabia
President Obama will arrive in Riyadh on Wednesday for meetings with King Salman and other Saudi officials
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Something about this seems scripted? Fake? Feels like a production. Sell phones did not have video cameras like that back in the day so she using some type of video camera? I'm not saying it's not real it seems like a production to me
Thought the same thing. Who knows.
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I just like the fact that with just Two words I got a "pseudo Pavlovian" response
look- I'm not some sort of bleeding left wing queer (despite being a drama student from NYU)
however.....you know what I don't know what I'm going on here
I will say that we are all fooling ourselves if we think that a radical Islam faction isn't hell bent on "Allah Akbar" and "DEATH TO AMERICA"....lets not be naive
however- conversely lets not all paint all muslims as "the boogeyman"....
none of what I just typed is profound as probably been resounded several times over by greater minds than me
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3544355/9-11-families-furious-Obama-administration-siding-Saudi-Arabia-country-threatens-pull-750-billion-U-S-assets-government-holds-liable-2001-terrorist-attacks.html
Lol at blaming Obama when Bush was president and ordered the seal on the documents. This recent push are a bunch of Jew lawyers trying to get some money trying to sue.
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Something about this seems scripted? Fake? Feels like a production. Sell phones did not have video cameras like that back in the day so she using some type of video camera? I'm not saying it's not real it seems like a production to me
moron, it was filmed with a normal camera
"world war two pictures? must be fake, cellphone cameras were bad back then"
stop posting for a week
Thought the same thing. Who knows.
LOL you too, stop posting, right now. not a chance they were using a videocamera like people did back then? yeah, why don't you just top posting for awhile as well
jesus fucking christ, the both of you... just die... seriously
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15 years later and the best security we have is taking off our shoes and not bringing a big bottle of shampoo on the plane. Fuck yeah!
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Lol at blaming Obama when Bush was president and ordered the seal on the documents. This recent push are a bunch of Jew lawyers trying to get some money trying to sue.
I enhanced that too.
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I enhanced that too.
People don't get it that Obama as president is ordering the docs stay closed because Bush ordered it as president. They are just respecting the wishes of the previous president.
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People don't get it that Obama as president is ordering the docs stay closed because Bush ordered it as president. They are just respecting the wishes of the previous president.
Lol
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Footage looks legit camcorder quality which they would have had plenty of time to grab. Can only imagine the gear felt by people that day in the u.s and in that area
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Lol
Name an instance where one president opened docs that were classified and closed by another president?
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Name an instance where one president opened docs that were classified and closed by another president?
Name another instance like 9/11.
Only thing it shows is that they've got the exact same agenda.
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Name another instance like 9/11.
Only thing it shows is that they've got the exact same agenda.
Close enough!!
(http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/RoswellDailyRecordJuly8_1947.jpg)
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Name another instance like 9/11.
Only thing it shows is that they've got the exact same agenda.
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Name an instance where one president opened docs that were classified and closed by another president?
It's not about respecting the wishes of the previous president, it's about protecting that position.
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It's not about respecting the wishes of the previous president, it's about protecting that position.
You get what I meant though.
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Mike Mentzer mentally became a jumper after the 80 Olympia.
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It's not about respecting the wishes of the previous president, it's about protecting that position.
Chaos were you ever in politics? do you really believe that BS? Not talking getbig here but real life ;)
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I think the footage is real but wanted to make a couple comments. How long between the first hit and the second. She filmed from just after the first plane hit to the second which she saw was a jumbo jet but she failed to get it on camera.
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Rare footage? That's been on Youtube for years and years.
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moron, it was filmed with a normal camera
"world war two pictures? must be fake, cellphone cameras were bad back then"
stop posting for a week
LOL you too, stop posting, right now. not a chance they were using a videocamera like people did back then? yeah, why don't you just top posting for awhile as well
jesus fucking christ, the both of you... just die... seriously
Easy, Lucille. Your dainties are showing.
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Chaos were you ever in politics? do you really believe that BS? Not talking getbig here but real life ;)
Believe what bs? That politicians protect each other and their positions of power? Absolutely. Were you ever in politics? Have you ever held a public office, Donny?
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damn really brings the emotions out from what it must have felt being there.Almost seems like a movie scene with the dialogue.
One of those moments you'll never forget and always remember where you were the time it happened.
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Believe what bs? That politicians protect each other and their positions of power? Absolutely. Were you ever in politics? Have you ever held a public office, Donny?
I was an elected politician yes. sorry i misunderstood you. my mistake big fellow. :)
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"Jet fuel can't melt steel beams!!!"
This!!!
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"Jet fuel can't melt steel beams!!!"
Ha-ha. Man you see this quote a lot. You would think they would would just google it first so they wouldn't sound some dumb. I'm mean it's technically true, but these people fail to understand that steel loses most of its strength and buckles when heated.
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Enter 240 is Back stating how Trump is a 9/11 truther in 3.. 2.. 1...
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Kind of decent that 9/11 happened on that date. Would be annoying if it happened on October 17 and people kept saying 10/17.
10/17 Truthers sounds dumb
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I've seen this video before, it was uploaded in 2009 and has 2 million views, so not really rare and unseen.
(https://lifewithlilred.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/disappoint.jpg)
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Close enough!!
(http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/RoswellDailyRecordJuly8_1947.jpg)
I wish
They just cooked up another bogus story to replace the first bogus story
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As a veteran, my #1 question is WHY WHY WHY won't they release all the video around the Pentagon and the supposed "Airplane" which crashed into it??
WHY did they find NO plane parts in the Pentagon??
*** Could it be it was a Hellfire Missile??????? ;)
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As a veteran, my #1 question is WHY WHY WHY won't they release all the video around the Pentagon and the supposed "Airplane" which crashed into it??
WHY did they find NO plane parts in the Pentagon??
*** Could it be it was a Hellfire Missile??????? ;)
There is rumored to be over 20 video tapes that were rolling when something hit the Pentagon. Yet they won't release any of them. Very strange is right. My gut tells me that there is a video tape out there that a civilian has. But knows if he/she releases it their family would most likely be killed.
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moron, it was filmed with a normal camera
"world war two pictures? must be fake, cellphone cameras were bad back then"
stop posting for a week
LOL you too, stop posting, right now. not a chance they were using a videocamera like people did back then? yeah, why don't you just top posting for awhile as well
jesus fucking christ, the both of you... just die... seriously
ok
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There is rumored to be over 20 video tapes that were rolling when something hit the Pentagon. Yet they won't release any of them. Very strange is right. My gut tells me that there is a video tape out there that a civilian has. But knows if he/she releases it their family would most likely be killed.
There's a gas station with a camera pointed at the same spot that within a minute the FBI raided and took the tapes.
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Ok. I googled the lady. Never said 911 was fake etc. I just meant that that video sure looks polished. Well she is a film producer and television writer so that's prolly why. Meaning she was most likely attending film school or something. It says she just got that camcorder a week before. Plus someone added music to it.
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ok
;D
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15 years later I still don't understand how the towers collapsed. ???
I think some Arabs flew planes into them.
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This!!!
but the heat weakens the steelbeams.
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15 years later I still don't understand how the towers collapsed. ???
Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0112/eagar/eagar-0112.html
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As a veteran, my #1 question is WHY WHY WHY won't they release all the video around the Pentagon and the supposed "Airplane" which crashed into it??
WHY did they find NO plane parts in the Pentagon??
*** Could it be it was a Hellfire Missile??????? ;)
Here you go
You can clearly see the "plane" right
pretty impressive flying for someone with virtually zero training to come in so low like that and of course somehow make a hole that looks nothing like a plane
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Here you go
You can clearly see the "plane" right
pretty impressive flying for someone with virtually zero training to come in so low like that and of course somehow make a hole that looks nothing like a plane
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That was NO PLANE, sorry looks exactly like a typical missile spewing white exhaust...
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Witnesses saw an airplane fly into the pentagon.
Also, passengers on the plane that flew into the pentagon died.
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Witnesses saw an airplane fly into the pentagon.
Also, passengers on the plane that flew into the pentagon died.
Where are the bodies? I need a full list of the flight manuscripts and next of kin of each passenger. After I get to the bottom of this I will report my findings.
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Where are the bodies? I need a full list of the flight manuscripts and next of kin of each passenger. After I get to the bottom of this I will report my findings.
ur post has been reported to a third party. u just had to push it didn't u... you just.. had to keep asking questions...
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Terrorist.
Call me navie. But America won't kill Americans just to go to war. No end game.
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Terrorist.
Call me navie. But America won't kill Americans get to go to war. No end game.
lol exactly, why the hell would your own government stage a false flag event to pursue war... it has never happened in history before, sounds like some uneducated hippy crap :D
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Witnesses saw an airplane fly into the pentagon.
Also, passengers on the plane that flew into the pentagon died.
There are also witnesses that said a plane flew right over the Pentagon as the Pentagon got hit... :-\
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That was NO PLANE, sorry looks exactly like a typical missile spewing white exhaust...
It was sarcasm. I thought the comment about the hole would have given it away
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Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0112/eagar/eagar-0112.html
Keep drinking that kool aid. The governement would never lie, they will take care of us. ::)
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The same government that tried to publicly sue Apple to open an iphone, had to pay some hackers eventually, is smart enough to rig explosives, shoot missles across public skies in broad daylight and not a single soul has stepped forward to claim involvement....Interesti ng.
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Keep drinking that kool aid. The governement would never lie, they will take care of us. ::)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8szCGW54NWo/VEqpAQ76rmI/AAAAAAAAfpk/FtfxKdMcwcA/s1600/It's%2Ba%2Bconspiracy!.jpg)
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8szCGW54NWo/VEqpAQ76rmI/AAAAAAAAfpk/FtfxKdMcwcA/s1600/It's%2Ba%2Bconspiracy!.jpg)
;D exactly what I expected.
Enjoy your FEMA camp :-*
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;D exactly what I expected.
Enjoy your FEMA camp :-*
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8szCGW54NWo/VEqpAQ76rmI/AAAAAAAAfpk/FtfxKdMcwcA/s1600/It's%2Ba%2Bconspiracy!.jpg)
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I don't claim to know the deal, but irrefutably something smells funny about the whole thing. Very funny.
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Timothy McVeigh
Never killed in the name of religion. Islam preaches to kill the infidel. That's Christians, Jews and all the rest.
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15 years later I still don't understand how the towers collapsed. ???
A jet moving at the speed of a .38 special filled with jet fuel hit the building. The weight of each collapsing floor added to the weight past the structural strength of the building. What's so hard to understand?
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A jet moving at the speed of a .38 special filled with jet fuel hit the building. The weight of each collapsing floor added to the weight past the structural strength of the building. What's so hard to understand?
What a joke. You're serious?
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A jet moving at the speed of a .38 special filled with jet fuel hit the building. The weight of each collapsing floor added to the weight past the structural strength of the building. What's so hard to understand?
Did you know that the architects designed the towers to withstand a plane hit due to their height?
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A jet moving at the speed of a .38 special filled with jet fuel hit the building. The weight of each collapsing floor added to the weight past the structural strength of the building. What's so hard to understand?
Yes if it would have instantly toppled over and fell on the side, but when it burns for an hour then falls exactly like a controlled demo. Makes me suspicious.
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And that third, much smaller building (part of the World Trade Centre buildings) toppling a few hours later ... when it wasn't even hit.
Yeah, nothing fishy.
Those towers came down like carefully engineered demos, as said. My father is a retired architect and knows a thing or two about these things. He immediately was like, What the fuck is THAT shit?!
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ur post has been reported to a third party. u just had to push it didn't u... you just.. had to keep asking questions...
The same government that tried to publicly sue Apple to open an iphone, had to pay some hackers eventually, is smart enough to rig explosives, shoot missles across public skies in broad daylight and not a single soul has stepped forward to claim involvement....Interesti ng.
LOL's.
All this said it's still very suspicious that the buildings collapsed directly upon their selves, as most building/stadium demolitions are strategic with explosive placement so that the structure collapses accordingly.
Although it wasn't like the buildings had anywhere else to fall other than straight down.
Side note I'm still working on the Pentagon stuff, be patient.
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Let's hear about this third building. I don't know about this
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Let's hear about this third building. I don't know about this
Not hit by anything but fell anyway ???
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“I was down there, and I watch our police and our firemen down on 7-Eleven, down at the World Trade Center, right after it came down and I saw the greatest people I have ever seen in action.”
- Trump, today.
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And that third, much smaller building (part of the World Trade Centre buildings) toppling a few hours later ... when it wasn't even hit.
Yeah, nothing fishy.
Those towers came down like carefully engineered demos, as said. My father is a retired architect and knows a thing or two about these things. He immediately was like, What the fuck is THAT shit?!
So you think that someone in the US gov had those buildings wired with explosives?
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It very surreal to me that people still won't accept what happened. Nor will they accept the bigger picture fight that Islam has with the Western World.
Even Politicians in the USA don't get the gravity of the situation.
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And that third, much smaller building (part of the World Trade Centre buildings) toppling a few hours later ... when it wasn't even hit.
Yeah, nothing fishy.
Those towers came down like carefully engineered demos, as said. My father is a retired architect and knows a thing or two about these things. He immediately was like, What the fuck is THAT shit?!
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The biggest question of 9/11 WAS the building 7 issue, and MYSTERIOUSLY it "had" to fall like the world trade towers!!
Number 2, was the Pentagon...
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Was it a controlled demolition? Missles disguised as airplanes? How come all Jews that worked in the WTC happened to not be there that day?
1. No it was not
2. No, just airplanes
3. Complete bullshit
Do you really want start this all over again? Let me lay down the facts of the matter for you?
You foil hat morons seem to have some insurmountable difficulties to prove any of your claims about the 9/11 attack, so here you have some details what we know to be facts:
1. there is not even single explosion at the 9/11 video material, therefore it cannot be controlled demolition
2. towers fall down by "controlled demolition", but "explosions" which "pulverize concrete", didn't have enough power to break any windows
3. thermite is for welding railroads, not for demolition of the buildings, because it works only to the direction of the gravity
4. WTC 7 collapsed because parts of the WTC 1 hit in it on the way down
5. Pentagon was hit by the airplane because there isn't any missiles which can fly horizontally and carry 15 000 tons of jet fuel.
6. Even if you can't get past by of the amazement why flight 93 wasn't standing nose down in the dirt after the crash, it is a proven fact that around that miraculous dent in the dirt were debris field square mile large
These are so called undeniable facts of the matter, along with the fact that there isn't nobody on this planet who can prove any of them to be false. Do you understand? And if these are the facts, which foil hat can't prove to be false, all discussion about the things around these matters are futile nonsense of the complete idiots. If it isn't a controlled demolition, it was a terrorist attack just as official investigation proved years ago.
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Did you know that the architects designed the towers to withstand a plane hit due to their height?
to withstand the biggest plane that existed qt the time yes, but the planes thqt hit the buildings where much larger
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15 years later I still don't understand how the towers collapsed. ???
And all what this mean is the fact, that you have difficulties to comprehend reality because of your low IQ. Sorry to say, but it is true, and quite ordinary. It doesn't make you bad person at any way, you are just like one of the millions who have similar difficulties. That is called of being the average person ;D
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Rare footage? That's been on Youtube for years and years.
You have to understand that anything what foil hats see first time is called "rare footage" even if it has being around for decades for the normal people. Their biggest problem is that they are fishing their things from the foil hat pool of shit, and that doesn't include any of the facts which has being a common knowledge for years ;D
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This!!!
You have your things in wrong order, sir. First you have to prove there were melted steel, then you have to prove that jet fuel can't melt it. Foil hats can't do either of these, so shut the fuck up. There wasn't melted steel at all, and all the claims which say so, are just lies or misunderstandings.
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As a veteran, my #1 question is WHY WHY WHY won't they release all the video around the Pentagon and the supposed "Airplane" which crashed into it??
WHY did they find NO plane parts in the Pentagon??
*** Could it be it was a Hellfire Missile??????? ;)
As a veteran, did they shot you in to head because you seem to be quite dumb, and that could be a way to explain it? You believe everything you read from the internet? No?? So why in the name of hell you believe when some foil hat moron tells you, that there were thousands of cameras filming Pentagon? This claim is partly true, there is thousands of security cams at the area of the Pentagon, but most of them has nothing to do with the Pentagons security. Why? Because in the outside of the building was just few cameras, filming mainly doorways etc. Those other "thousands of cameras" were in the near by businesses, like gas station, shop, hotel etc. and filming fuel pumps, cashier etc. If you can think, try to think for the reason why near by shop would be filming at the wall of Pentagon rather than it's own business?
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Here you go
You can clearly see the "plane" right
pretty impressive flying for someone with virtually zero training to come in so low like that and of course somehow make a hole that looks nothing like a plane
Yes, according the pilots for 911 truth, it is quite impossible to do so...which makes you wonder how in the name of god these pilots has being able to landing any aeroplane, because that needs quite a lot more accuracy. Instead of hitting 450 meters wide building, you have to hit to the end of runway only 20 meters wide ;D
What you see in that video, is a flash of burning jet fuel, and by that you can calculate how much of it is needed to make fireball as big as that. Quite simple, because you know what fuel/air mixture would flash, you know the height of the building etc. facts. Of course there is no way to get the exact measure, but all that makes possible to do quite accurate approximation: something between 12 000 and 16 000 metric tons. Just ask from yourself what kind of missile would carry that amount of fuel?
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That was NO PLANE, sorry looks exactly like a typical missile spewing white exhaust...
Exactly what missile? Name one, there is a list in Wikipedia which has all of the missiles of the USA with the dimensions. Your typical missile which is able to flight horizontally, would be the "cruise missile", and dear moron, those are just about 5 meters long. I understand that you would be able to mix 5 meters long and 0.5 ton needle to the 48.5 meter long and 100 ton aeroplane, but do you really think that any sane person would do same mistake? Because fact is that you have to be completely insane if you can't tell the difference between those two? And by the way, all the photos of the Pentagon attack proves that there wasn't any kind of explosion, because any of the debris didn't fly to outside from the building. There was only aluminum pieces and typical parts of aeroplane, but not even one brick or window frame? Isn't that weird if the missile has exploded inside of he building?
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(https://kendoc911.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/pentagondebris2.jpg)
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I don't claim to know the deal, but irrefutably something smells funny about the whole thing. Very funny.
If something smells there, it has to be those foil hat morons who crap in their pants from anger, because they have using decades of time and being able to prove 0 of their claims. Can you understand that? From 2001 to present time = billions of insane claims, and zero prove about any of them. All this because these people are the stupidest part of the human kind, who doesn't know even the simplest laws of physics. These people are able to explode tons of high energy explosives in the glass house without breaking the windows, and this single thing proves them to be just an idiots, drooling on their shoes.
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What a joke. You're serious?
Well, that is literally what happened, only thing which is proved, so how it is joke? Because you don't believe it? That puts you in the 15% of the people, and in the average nation of this planet, there is 20-25% of those, who are needing of the mental care in some point in their life. Just do your math..Stupidest of the morons etc..you find yourself in that bunch ;D
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Did you know that the architects designed the towers to withstand a plane hit due to their height?
Did you know that in the 70ties they didn't fly with the planes of the year 2001? They designed towers to withstand a hit by average plane from the 70ties, and just how much things has changed during 30 years? And their calculations was based on the theory that plane hit the tower by accident, not by suicide mission, where you are charging with the full throttle. Can you understand the difference?
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And that third, much smaller building (part of the World Trade Centre buildings) toppling a few hours later ... when it wasn't even hit.
Yeah, nothing fishy.
Those towers came down like carefully engineered demos, as said. My father is a retired architect and knows a thing or two about these things. He immediately was like, What the fuck is THAT shit?!
Wasn't even hit? Well, not by the aeroplane, that is true. But when 400 meters tall skyscraper falls on to facade of the 200 meter tall building, some of us would call that a "hit", and this is what has proved to be a fact. Parts of the WTC 1 hit to WTC 7 and make serious structural damages. Building was on fire straight 8 hours after that, and collapse. What miraculous is in that? And where you would see how these 400 meters tall skyscrapers would fall in real life? Nowhere, so all your thinking about that has to be based on imagination, and that doesn't prove anything.
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This Ropo character is a funny guy. He actually believes the official US government story/explanation of 9/11. Sounds/acts just like a government anti-conspiracy shill.
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big ropo annihilating in this thread
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big ropo annihilating in this thread
Really? He makes a lot of assumptions. There are many, many holes in the official 9/11 story.
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Quite funny see ropo destroy the tinfoilhats in this thread
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This Ropo character is a funny guy. He actually believes the official US government story/explanation of 9/11. Sounds/acts just like a government anti-conspiracy shill.
No, but I believe that morons like you are insanely eager to believe the crap which doesn't include any evidence what so ever..For example, you haven't being able to prove any of your claims. Why don't you start from that instead of that whining?
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Really? He makes a lot of assumptions. There are many, many holes in the official 9/11 story.
What holes are you referring to? ???
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Really? He makes a lot of assumptions. There are many, many holes in the official 9/11 story.
Name one? Ooh, you can't even one of them...so how this so familiar situation? Wait a minute... there is dozens of these threads already: you repeat the foil hat bullshit as you find it from the internet and call it "thinking with your own brains", and I prove you wrong, and you hurt you feelings and cry.. as always. What? I hear some name calling coming on my way? Quite original reaction, instead of presenting the evidence, you are getting ready for that crap throwing which is your only weapon. Why don't you really try to use your so called "brains" an prove even once that I am wrong? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T, END OF STORY. ;D
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This Ropo character is a funny guy. He actually believes the official US government story/explanation of 9/11. Sounds/acts just like a government anti-conspiracy shill.
Quite obvious ain't it.
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As a veteran, my #1 question is WHY WHY WHY won't they release all the video around the Pentagon and the supposed "Airplane" which crashed into it??
WHY did they find NO plane parts in the Pentagon??
*** Could it be it was a Hellfire Missile??????? ;)
Within moments of the attacks the FBI confiscated every single security camera video within sight of the Pentagon. This is well documented. A cruise missed hit the Pentagon.
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Within moments of the attacks the FBI confiscated every single security camera video within sight of the Pentagon. This is well documented. A cruise missed hit the Pentagon.
what is your source of information? where is it documented?
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As a veteran, my #1 question is WHY WHY WHY won't they release all the video around the Pentagon and the supposed "Airplane" which crashed into it??
WHY did they find NO plane parts in the Pentagon??
*** Could it be it was a Hellfire Missile??????? ;)
Why won't they release the video/photos of Osama's bacon wrapped corpse getting dumped into the sea?
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strong denial in this thread...lmao the official 9/11 is the biggest crock of shit in the world and most outside of the US of A know it is....you fools need to wake the fuck up and stop drinking the fluoride!!
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“I was down there, and I watch our police and our firemen down on 7-Eleven, down at the World Trade Center, right after it came down and I saw the greatest people I have ever seen in action.”
- Trump, today.
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This Ropo character is a funny guy. He actually believes the official US government story/explanation of 9/11. Sounds/acts just like a government anti-conspiracy shill.
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You get these 9/11 Apologists posting all over the place, usually personally attacking people who ACTUALLY fought for our country and have experience...
They fly the "false flag", and are the true Bizarro Supermen of America.
I'd LOVE to just ONE DAY find one of these arseholes and slap them, publicly.
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The same people who say that it was a huge, elaborate conspiracy by the US govt. are the same people who complain about the US govt. being completely incompetent.
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Yes, according the pilots for 911 truth, it is quite impossible to do so...which makes you wonder how in the name of god these pilots has being able to landing any aeroplane, because that needs quite a lot more accuracy. Instead of hitting 450 meters wide building, you have to hit to the end of runway only 20 meters wide ;D
What you see in that video, is a flash of burning jet fuel, and by that you can calculate how much of it is needed to make fireball as big as that. Quite simple, because you know what fuel/air mixture would flash, you know the height of the building etc. facts. Of course there is no way to get the exact measure, but all that makes possible to do quite accurate approximation: something between 12 000 and 16 000 metric tons. Just ask from yourself what kind of missile would carry that amount of fuel?
when I see a plane land on a runway I have no problem whatsoever seeing the actual plane
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9/11 helped the Bush Administration do a lot. They formed Dept of Homeland Security within months. You think this useless gov can form a 100K+ people department on a whim or have it planned for years and be ready to execute? they got backing 100% from everyone in the Senate and Congress to go to war. They had "patriots" lined up outside of recruiting centers to join the military. it was a well executed plan. Did the US Gov do 9/11? No, but did they know it was happening and let it happen? Yes.
Anyone asking for proof. Just google the Rumself, Cheney Document on how American needs to protect itself in the new Century. Fuck it, I'll do it for you. Look at all of the names in there and how every single one of them ended up in Bush's cabinet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
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OMG :o
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No, but I believe that morons like you are insanely eager to believe the crap which doesn't include any evidence what so ever..For example, you haven't being able to prove any of your claims. Why don't you start from that instead of that whining?
You believe WTC 7 fell into it's own footprint because???
A blithering idiot you are.
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Mr. Roper devoting hours to setting the record straight in this here thread.
What a goober.
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The Jews did it! Fact!
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Within moments of the attacks the FBI confiscated every single security camera video within sight of the Pentagon. This is well documented. A cruise missed hit the Pentagon.
And this prove a) there was investigation regarding attack and they confiscated security cameras to seek evidence b) you are an idiot c) you are an idiot, drooling on your shoes. Take your pick..
If there will be suicide bomber in your nearest 7- eleven, investigators still confiscate all security videos, because it is basic crime scene protocol. If they don't do that, they would be incompetent morons, just like you.
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You get these 9/11 Apologists posting all over the place, usually personally attacking people who ACTUALLY fought for our country and have experience...
They fly the "false flag", and are the true Bizarro Supermen of America.
I'd LOVE to just ONE DAY find one of these arseholes and slap them, publicly.
I just try to point out the fact, that believing that foil hat crap even without asking for any kind of evidence for their stories prove that you are an idiot. This is a fact, and you are voluntarily presenting yourself as an idiot because of that. I repeat: NO ONE BETWEEN 9.11.2001 AND PRESENT DAY HAS BEEN ABLE TO PROVE ANY KIND ON EXPLOSION IN ANY OF THE VIDEOS ABOUT THE 9/11 ATTAC. ONLY WAY THIS IS POSSIBLE IS THAT THERE ISN'T ANY. Why don't you morons understand that simple truth? And furthermore, why can't you present any evidence about those explosions? Wouldn't that be the best way to slap me? Why don't you guys humiliate me by presenting those evidences? I promise that I go away and never return, IF you are able to show even one real explosion in any original 9/11 video material? I know as a fact that you can't do it, because there isn't any. And I am a stupid here? You have been feed with the foil hat bullshit made by insane idiots, and you don't hesitate even a second to believe it all, without asking how they have prove their claims. Just try to explain how that kind of idiotism make you a better man than me?
9/11 helped the Bush Administration do a lot. They formed Dept of Homeland Security within months. You think this useless gov can form a 100K+ people department on a whim or have it planned for years and be ready to execute? they got backing 100% from everyone in the Senate and Congress to go to war. They had "patriots" lined up outside of recruiting centers to join the military. it was a well executed plan. Did the US Gov do 9/11? No, but did they know it was happening and let it happen? Yes.
Anyone asking for proof. Just google the Rumself, Cheney Document on how American needs to protect itself in the new Century. Fuck it, I'll do it for you. Look at all of the names in there and how every single one of them ended up in Bush's cabinet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
Name all the USA non war situations, where were + 2000 casualties? Oops...I did it again? 9/11 was first this kind of happening, so would it be possible that administration just learn their lesson and formed a department which take care of these kind of amounts of casualties? You see, there isn't any organization which could handle + 2000 dead bodies within days or even weeks, so what they should do? Pile those corpses to backyard to rotten? Make one big hole on the ground and kick them in it? But if there is department which has potential to handle that kind of logistic, would it be a bad thing? What would you say if that homeland security happens to be for your own security? Why that isn't even an option? There is real and increasing risk of the nuclear disaster in USA because terrorist are eager to try with dirty bombs etc. instruments, and suddenly there will be + 200 000 bodies. What kind of logistic you think is needed to dispose that amount of rotting corpses? Shovel and wheelbarrow?
You believe WTC 7 fell into it's own footprint because???
A blithering idiot you are.
As I say, it is a proved fact that parts of collapsing WTC 1 hit the WTC 7, and it was on fire about 8 hours after that, and collapse. Only reason to think that there is something odd in this situation, is stupidity which makes you unable to use your brains. Just like there is zero buildings other than WTC towers which are hit by the aeroplanes, there isn't any other building which has hit by the parts of lot higher, collapsing building, so in reality you cannot have any vision how it should collapse. All what you have is your imagination, and the crap which you have find from the internet. I have linked lots of videos which prove that foil hats knowingly lies about this collapse, but your blind faith make it impossible to you to understand. Unfortunately, people with blind faith are just stupid. You should build your opinion on the proven facts, not on the rumors, lies and blind faith. And did any of these buildings really fell in it's own footprint? That's simply isn't true at all. In fact there is plenty of pictures which proves that they fell all over the place, and over WTC 7. You see, if someone say they fell in their own footprint, you should ask him to prove it. And that you never have done. Instead of that, you embrace even the silliest lies without any hesitation, and then you are blaming me, who is skeptical towards that evident crap? Grow up, little child..
Mr. Roper devoting hours to setting the record straight in this here thread.
What a goober.
What ever. But can you explain why for example you cannot point any real explosion from any of the videos about the 9/11 attack? Doesn't that bother you at all, that even I have been screaming for the evidence all over the place, there is none foil hat who would shut me up by presenting them? Why I am using time for this kind of crap? It is hilarious to see how incompetent you guys are, and how you are literally forcing yourself to believe that crap. It has to be silliest thing in the internet, bunch of drooling idiots crawling in circles around the pile of bullshit ;D
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Steel framed buildings do NOT collapse because of fire. Plenty examples of this.
(http://investigate911.org/Flame-Engulfed-Steel-Frame-High-Rise-Buildings-Do-Not-Collapse.jpg)
You're spending a awful lot of time trying to debunk people here and you're not making any progress at all. Is someone paying you to spew false government propaganda? All you're doing here is stating your own personal opinions, which mean nothing.
Do you not believe your own eyes?...
(http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/6-10-2015/coYxU2.gif)
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And yet the "civilized" world keeps giving the fundamentally evil Islam a pass. With each and every horrific action done in its sky god's name.
Fuck the world and all its weakness.
Fuck the radical liberal who is ruining once-proud and strong nations.
This ^^^
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And this prove a) there was investigation regarding attack and they confiscated security cameras to seek evidence b) you are an idiot c) you are an idiot, drooling on your shoes. Take your pick..
If there will be suicide bomber in your nearest 7- eleven, investigators still confiscate all security videos, because it is basic crime scene protocol. If they don't do that, they would be incompetent morons, just like you.
I just try to point out the fact, that believing that foil hat crap even without asking for any kind of evidence for their stories prove that you are an idiot. This is a fact, and you are voluntarily presenting yourself as an idiot because of that. I repeat: NO ONE BETWEEN 9.11.2001 AND PRESENT DAY HAS BEEN ABLE TO PROVE ANY KIND ON EXPLOSION IN ANY OF THE VIDEOS ABOUT THE 9/11 ATTAC. ONLY WAY THIS IS POSSIBLE IS THAT THERE ISN'T ANY. Why don't you morons understand that simple truth? And furthermore, why can't you present any evidence about those explosions? Wouldn't that be the best way to slap me? Why don't you guys humiliate me by presenting those evidences? I promise that I go away and never return, IF you are able to show even one real explosion in any original 9/11 video material? I know as a fact that you can't do it, because there isn't any. And I am a stupid here? You have been feed with the foil hat bullshit made by insane idiots, and you don't hesitate even a second to believe it all, without asking how they have prove their claims. Just try to explain how that kind of idiotism make you a better man than me?
Name all the USA non war situations, where were + 2000 casualties? Oops...I did it again? 9/11 was first this kind of happening, so would it be possible that administration just learn their lesson and formed a department which take care of these kind of amounts of casualties? You see, there isn't any organization which could handle + 2000 dead bodies within days or even weeks, so what they should do? Pile those corpses to backyard to rotten? Make one big hole on the ground and kick them in it? But if there is department which has potential to handle that kind of logistic, would it be a bad thing? What would you say if that homeland security happens to be for your own security? Why that isn't even an option? There is real and increasing risk of the nuclear disaster in USA because terrorist are eager to try with dirty bombs etc. instruments, and suddenly there will be + 200 000 bodies. What kind of logistic you think is needed to dispose that amount of rotting corpses? Shovel and wheelbarrow?
As I say, it is a proved fact that parts of collapsing WTC 1 hit the WTC 7, and it was on fire about 8 hours after that, and collapse. Only reason to think that there is something odd in this situation, is stupidity which makes you unable to use your brains. Just like there is zero buildings other than WTC towers which are hit by the aeroplanes, there isn't any other building which has hit by the parts of lot higher, collapsing building, so in reality you cannot have any vision how it should collapse. All what you have is your imagination, and the crap which you have find from the internet. I have linked lots of videos which prove that foil hats knowingly lies about this collapse, but your blind faith make it impossible to you to understand. Unfortunately, people with blind faith are just stupid. You should build your opinion on the proven facts, not on the rumors, lies and blind faith. And did any of these buildings really fell in it's own footprint? That's simply isn't true at all. In fact there is plenty of pictures which proves that they fell all over the place, and over WTC 7. You see, if someone say they fell in their own footprint, you should ask him to prove it. And that you never have done. Instead of that, you embrace even the silliest lies without any hesitation, and then you are blaming me, who is skeptical towards that evident crap? Grow up, little child..
What ever. But can you explain why for example you cannot point any real explosion from any of the videos about the 9/11 attack? Doesn't that bother you at all, that even I have been screaming for the evidence all over the place, there is none foil hat who would shut me up by presenting them? Why I am using time for this kind of crap? It is hilarious to see how incompetent you guys are, and how you are literally forcing yourself to believe that crap. It has to be silliest thing in the internet, bunch of drooling idiots crawling in circles around the pile of bullshit ;D
You think out of the blue the Bush gov. Remember I'll put it in bold. THE BUSH GOV on a whim can whip up the Department of Homeland Security? For fuck sakes man. They've had this planned out. The link I showed you is not a conspiracy link but an actual fact of a think tank formed years before Bush became president. Remember what I am saying. The US Gov didn't do it but they LET IT HAPPEN.
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when I see a plane land on a runway I have no problem whatsoever seeing the actual plane
It might have something to do with a slow frame-rate compared to the action. But I can't understand what they thought it would accomplish to release that.
Here's the other one. If you look exactly at 1:26, on the right side of the screen, you'll see what's most likely it. Best way is to set it around 1:20 or so, then pause it right as it gets to 1:26. The frame after is the impact.
That's how I read it. If I'm wrong, maybe someone could say so.
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It might have something to do with a slow frame-rate compared to the action. But I can't understand what they thought it would accomplish to release that.
Here's the other one. If you look exactly at 1:26, on the right side of the screen, you'll see what's most likely it. Best way is to set it around 1:20 or so, then pause it right as it gets to 1:26. The frame after is the impact.
That's how I read it. If I'm wrong, maybe someone could say so.
I looked at it and even froze and still don't see plane
Why is it that I can clearly see the structure of a plane when it is landing or even flying but I can't see one here
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I looked at it and even froze and still don't see plane
Why is it that I can clearly see the structure of a plane when it is landing or even flying but I can't see one here
What do you think it is, seen at 1:26, that goes on to hit the building as it does?
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What do you think it is, seen at 1:26, that goes on to hit the building as it does?
I don't know
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They've talked to numerous pilots, and not even an experienced pilot can fly a plane that low to the ground... It's impossible.. It was a missile. It penetrated into the inner rings of the pentagon, the impact of a plane would not do this.. As far as explosions... Plenty of evidence.. They interviewed numerous firefighters that heard explosions, and said the towers fell just like a controlled demolition. Those interviews conveniently disappeared. That day 3 steel framed buildings collapsed into there own footprints.. First time in history... And all on the same day. Those towers were designed to take multiple impacts from a 747 and stay standing, they also were designed where if impact occurred only a section of the building would collapse... Not the whole building into its own footprint... Pulverized concrete caused and enormous amount of dust... What pulverizes concrete?? Explosives... Jets routinely intercept off course planes.... That day they must have forgotten how to... The official story is pathetic... The rubble was quickly shipped off to China... Why? To destroy evidence... Puddles of molten steel below the rubble that stayed hot for days and days... Why? Thermite. Official story is such a joke... Most everyone outside this country knows our government was directly involved.. More than 50% of Americans now believe our government was as well.
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I don't know
Without more frames to look at, and without enhancement of the shadowed area, and assuming the perspective/proportion checks out, I'm willing to call it a plane.
But I didn't know it was out there so thanks for bringing it up. It's really interesting.
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Something doesn't add up right with the 9-11 'official story' far to many question remain unanswered.
This is a interesting video - so many different TV station appear to capture the same things.
Quilt of video is not great - Though it does look like some thing is added to the underside of that plane.
Maybe someone with knowledge of these planes can explain.
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They've talked to numerous pilots, and not even an experienced pilot can fly a plane that low to the ground... It's impossible.. It was a missile. It penetrated into the inner rings of the pentagon, the impact of a plane would not do this.. As far as explosions... Plenty of evidence.. They interviewed numerous firefighters that heard explosions, and said the towers fell just like a controlled demolition. Those interviews conveniently disappeared. That day 3 steel framed buildings collapsed into there own footprints.. First time in history... And all on the same day. Those towers were designed to take multiple impacts from a 747 and stay standing, they also were designed where if impact occurred only a section of the building would collapse... Not the whole building into its own footprint... Pulverized concrete caused and enormous amount of dust... What pulverizes concrete?? Explosives... Jets routinely intercept off course planes.... That day they must have forgotten how to... The official story is pathetic... The rubble was quickly shipped off to China... Why? To destroy evidence... Puddles of molten steel below the rubble that stayed hot for days and days... Why? Thermite. Official story is such a joke... Most everyone outside this country knows our government was directly involved.. More than 50% of Americans now believe our government was as well.
Some pilots say it's possible to do, and others say it could happen as dumb luck.
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Without more frames to look at, and without enhancement of the shadowed area, and assuming the perspective/proportion checks out, I'm willing to call it a plane.
But I didn't know it was out there so thanks for bringing it up. It's really interesting.
given numerous other things that seem to contradict it being a plane I'm not willing to call it a plane
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They've talked to numerous pilots, and not even an experienced pilot can fly a plane that low to the ground... It's impossible.. It was a missile. It penetrated into the inner rings of the pentagon, the impact of a plane would not do this.. As far as explosions... Plenty of evidence.. They interviewed numerous firefighters that heard explosions, and said the towers fell just like a controlled demolition. Those interviews conveniently disappeared. That day 3 steel framed buildings collapsed into there own footprints.. First time in history... And all on the same day. Those towers were designed to take multiple impacts from a 747 and stay standing, they also were designed where if impact occurred only a section of the building would collapse... Not the whole building into its own footprint... Pulverized concrete caused and enormous amount of dust... What pulverizes concrete?? Explosives... Jets routinely intercept off course planes.... That day they must have forgotten how to... The official story is pathetic... The rubble was quickly shipped off to China... Why? To destroy evidence... Puddles of molten steel below the rubble that stayed hot for days and days... Why? Thermite. Official story is such a joke... Most everyone outside this country knows our government was directly involved.. More than 50% of Americans now believe our government was as well.
This is all the radar communication that day. What happened with the fighter jets alone is vexing to say the least.
Long but fascinating to see it all unfold.
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Something doesn't add up right with the 9-11 'official story' far to many question remain unanswered.
This is a interesting video - so many different TV station appear to capture the same things.
Quilt of video is not great - Though it does look like some thing is added to the underside of that plane.
Maybe someone with knowledge of these planes can explain.
Why do we see flames when the front of the plane hits yet there is nothing explosive up front. All of the fuel is within the wings and turbines.
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given numerous other things that seem to contradict it being a plane I'm not willing to call it a plane
What are some of the things?
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Pentagon is 77'
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Boeing 757-223 is 44'-6" (at tail, though)
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As I say, the whole debacle reeks of seriously shady business.
That fool Ropo must be a salaried employee of some sinister arm of the government or something to spout at length, and continually, what he does.
Doesn't take an exceptional intellect to modestly explore available information and conclude the entire 9-11 tragedy doesn't add up in the way it's told to us, "officially".
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As I say, the whole debacle reeks of seriously shady business.
That fool Ropo must be a salaried employee of some sinister arm of the government or something to spout at length, and continually, what he does.
Doesn't take an exceptional intellect to modestly explore available information and conclude the entire 9-11 tragedy doesn't add up in the way it's told to us, "officially".
I think he's a Lebron James fan. Maybe ex military. A lot of guys who served after 9/11 because of 9/11 don't want to admit it was all a con.
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So are you guys saying the someone in the US gov had those buildings wired with explosives?
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So are you guys saying the someone in the US gov had those buildings wired with explosives?
Nope. Only two branches could pull this off. CIA or military. Look up solider accidental deaths right after to see who they shut up.
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They've talked to numerous pilots, and not even an experienced pilot can fly a plane that low to the ground... It's impossible.. It was a missile. It penetrated into the inner rings of the pentagon, the impact of a plane would not do this.. As far as explosions... Plenty of evidence.. They interviewed numerous firefighters that heard explosions, and said the towers fell just like a controlled demolition. Those interviews conveniently disappeared. That day 3 steel framed buildings collapsed into there own footprints.. First time in history... And all on the same day. Those towers were designed to take multiple impacts from a 747 and stay standing, they also were designed where if impact occurred only a section of the building would collapse... Not the whole building into its own footprint... Pulverized concrete caused and enormous amount of dust... What pulverizes concrete?? Explosives... Jets routinely intercept off course planes.... That day they must have forgotten how to... The official story is pathetic... The rubble was quickly shipped off to China... Why? To destroy evidence... Puddles of molten steel below the rubble that stayed hot for days and days... Why? Thermite. Official story is such a joke... Most everyone outside this country knows our government was directly involved.. More than 50% of Americans now believe our government was as well.
There's still videos of firefighters saying they heard explosions. The one I'm referring to talked about a bomb going off in the lobby of the first tower, as all the windows were blown out of the lobby. They also talk about seeing molten steel flowing on the ground.
I'm willing to concede that in the heat of the moment people may have been confused with what they saw/remember/experienced and what actually happened.
Ropo presented great facts; however one thing that I found interesting was said that rocket fuel burns to a heat of 700 degrees and that could burn at that temp forever and never melt steel.
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2:40 lobby blown up
3:16 explosion in the basement
11:15 pentagon
12:20 1st tower collapse and then firefighters describe it as a detonation
13:40 more firefighter accounts of multiple explosions
15:06 Larry Silverstein claims that he had talked with fire marshall to have 3rd building "pulled" or collapsed. Dan Rather says well placed dynamite was placed to cause this collapse.
16:00 demolition experts are interviewed
16:40 Jet fuel burns at 700 degrees and that heat would never weaken steel....
17:00 fires under ground and the flowing molten steel
Interesting video, and as I said people's memories aren't always accurate in times of crisis/disaster but still a good watch.
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Witnessed Event: U.S. Response to September 11, 2001
On September 11, 2001, David Wherley Jr. was the commander in charge of the 113th Fighter Wing at Andrews Air Force base, in Maryland. After the attack on New York City he took orders from the Secret Service to dispatch a fleet of aircraft to protect the White House and the Capitol. Wherley was an important 9/11 witness. He played a role in ordering the tactics used by the U.S. government in response to the terrorist activity. Wherley was mentioned on multiple occasions in the 9/11 Commission report. He later acted as the commanding general of the District of Columbia National Guard, from 2003 to 2008.
On June 22, 2009, David Wherley and his wife Ann boarded a Red Line Washington Metro train (#214) in Northeast Washington, D.C. While waiting for their train to leave Fort Totten station, it was struck by an oncoming Red Line train. The Wherley’s train was rear-ended at a high speed. Nine people were killed in the accident, including David Wherley and his wife. It was the deadliest crash in the history of the Washington Metro. Several survivors were trapped in the rubble for hours, and approximately 80 people were injured.
A preliminary investigation found that the accident occurred when the replacement of a track circuit component failed, which prevented certain signals from being reported. Survivors described the crash as like “hitting a concrete wall.” According to Daniel Kaniewski, a former Bush administration homeland security official, the overall emergency response to the event was “calm and ordered.” He indicated that the U.S. response “during extraordinary incidents has significantly improved” since September 11, 2001.
Witnessed Event: American Airlines Flight 77
Barbara Olson was a lawyer, author and conservative American television commentator. In 1994, she joined the United States House of Representatives, becoming chief investigative counsel for the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee. In that position, Olson led a number of different investigations into the Clinton administration. She exposed the White House travel office scandal and the FBI files controversy. Olson published a collection of books that examine the history of Hillary Clinton and the actions of Bill Clinton in the final days of his presidency. Some of her accusations include unlawful pardons by Bill Clinton, the looting of the White House and executive orders that were sheer abuses of presidential power. On January 20, 2001, Bill Clinton pardoned 140 people in the final hours of his presidency.
On September 11, 2001, Flight 77 was hijacked at 8:54. Between 9:16 and 9:26, Olson called her husband. According to him, she reported that the flight had been hijacked, and that the hijackers had knives and box-cutters. A minute into the conversation, the call was cut off. Shortly after, Barbara reached her husband again. Ted Olson asked for her location and she replied that the plane was flying over houses. Ted informed Barbara of the two previous hijackings and crashes. She didn’t display signs of panic over the phone. American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the western side of the Pentagon at 09:37 EDT. All 64 people on board were killed, including Barbara Olson. Following her death, Politically Incorrect host, Bill Maher, left a panel seat vacant for a week.
The two phone calls Barbara Olson made from Flight 77 are an important factor to the accepted story of 9/11. They provide evidence that American 77 had been aloft after it had disappeared from FAA radar around 9:00 AM. The calls are also the only source of the widely accepted idea that the hijackers had box cutters. The story has been scrutinized by a collection of researchers, who have accused Ted Olson of changing his account. He originally indicated that Barbara used a cell phone to call him, but later said she called using an airline phone. The technology to enable cell phone calls from high-altitude flights wasn’t developed until 2004.
Witnessed Event: U.S. Naval Intelligence Gathering
After graduating from high school, William Cooper joined the U.S. Air Force and later the U.S. Navy. He served in the Vietnam War and then worked for Naval Security and Intelligence. Cooper gained notoriety after publishing a book titled Behold a Pale Horse. The text documents various UFO and paranormal activities he encountered while serving for Naval Intelligence. It examines government corruption, secret societies, and a collection of conspiracy theories. In the 1990s, William Cooper became a popular speaker on the UFO lecture circuit. He was the host of a worldwide shortwave radio show named Hour of the Time.
In June 2001, three months before 9/11, William Cooper warned publicly about an important terrorist attack on United States, that would be blamed on Osama Bin Laden. During his June 28 broadcast, William Cooper said “I’m telling you be prepared for a major attack. But it won’t be Osama Bin Laden. It will be those behind the New World Order.” On 9/11 Cooper said “what we’re witnessing today is most probably the herald of the, at least, the redefinition of freedom, and probably its death.”
William Cooper was charged with various crimes in his lifetime, including tax evasion from 1992 to 1994, and bank fraud for giving false information on a loan application. In July and September 2001, Cooper was accused of brandishing a handgun near his home in Eagar, Arizona. On November 6, 2001, two months after September 11, William Cooper was fatally shot by a large collection of Arizona deputies who were attempting to serve him an arrest warrant. According to police accounts, Cooper, who was physically disabled, fled officers and pulled out a weapon. A gun fight ensued and William Cooper was killed. A deputy was critically injured in the incident.
Witnessed Event: Collapse of the Twin Towers
Kenny Johannemann worked as a part-time janitor in the World Trade Center when it was attacked and destroyed on September 11, 2001. He was in the North Tower waiting for an elevator when the first explosion occurred. The blast created a fireball that engulfed the elevator shaft. Johannemann responded by saving the life of a man that was badly burned in the event. He was in a similar position as William Rodriguez, who was also a janitor in the WTC North Tower, and who became internationally recognized for his heroic efforts on September 11. Rodriguez was the last person to leave the collapsing North Tower alive.
Following the events of September 11, 2001, Kenneth Johannemann and William Rodriguez provided a detailed account of their experience. One aspect of their stories is similar, but contradicts the official report presented by the 9/11 commission. Both men reported that they heard loud explosions in the basement of the North Tower immediately before and after the plane impacted. Kenneth Johannemann was adamant about the fact that he heard explosions not associated with the crash. William Rodriguez also claimed to have heard a massive rumble in the basement of the North Tower, seconds before the plane hit.
On August 31, 2008, Kenneth Johannemann committed suicide by way of a gunshot wound to the head. Mr Johannemann’s suicide note stated that he was depressed after being evicted from his residence. The testimony given by Kenneth Johannemann and William Rodriguez are identical in the fact that they describe large explosions in the WTC towers. Before his death, Johannemann regularly told his story to public crowds. His death was a surprise to everyone and instantly raised suspicion amongst 9/11 researchers.
Witnessed Event: Collapse of the Twin Towers
On the morning of September 11, 2001, Barry Jennings, who was a housing authority official in New York City, was near the World Trade Center Towers when they were attacked. Following the incident Barry reported to the city’s command center, which was located on the 23rd floor of the 7 World Trade Center structure. After reaching the office, Jennings and a man named Michael Hess realized that the room was completely empty. In an interview taped for the Loose Change film series, Jennings discussed the moment. “There was steaming coffee and sandwiches on the tables. It seemed that the room had recently been vacated.”
After getting word to evacuate, Jennings and Hess started to move down the staircase of 7 WTC. When the pair reached the 6th floor they were hit by a large explosion. The stairs underneath the men gave way and they were forced to climb over rubble to reach the 8th floor. While on the 8th floor Barry Jennings reported the sound of multiple loud explosions from below. Jennings and Hess were eventually saved by a collection of New York City firefighters and taken to an area called the “lobby.” The area was completely obliterated. While traveling through the lobby, Barry Jennings commented on dead bodies.
“And the firefighter who took us down kept saying, “Do not look down.” I kept saying, “Why?” We were stepping over people. And you know when you can feel when you are stepping over people.”
At 5:21 on the evening of September 11, 2001, the 7 World Trade Center building suffered a complete failure. The official cause of the collapse was due to damage sustained when the nearby North Tower of the WTC collapsed. The debris ignited fires, which continued to burn throughout the afternoon. The building’s internal fire suppression system lacked water pressure to fight the fires, and the building collapsed. The destruction of 7 WTC is a controversial subject among conspiracy theorists. Along with the Twin Towers, 7 WTC was the first steel building to experience a complete failure due to fire. The structure didn’t crumble as you might expect from fire damage. Instead it fell in an absolute free-fall (about 8 seconds).
Barry Jennings finished his interview for Loose Change by saying “I’m just confused about one thing, why World Trade Center 7 went down in the first place – I’m very confused about that – I know what I heard, I heard explosions.” Barry Jennings challenged the official 9/11 report. He said that while in the building he heard multiple explosions and witnessed damage not caused by fire. For this reason, many people found the testimony of Jennings contradictory to the official story of what happened on 9/11. Barry Jennings died on August 19, 2008, from an unknown cause. He passed away only a couple days before a report was to be released by the National Institute of Standards and Technology’s (NIST) on the collapse of 7 WTC.
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Thousands of gallons of fuel in the presence of elevator shafts will make very large pipe bombs, in a sense. I don't have any problem calling that the likely source of the explosions.
Doesn't make a difference, anyway, especially with the Saudis being in the mix. That's unlimited $$$ So what could it prove (explosions etc)?
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Anyone know how long the WTC was under wraps after the 93 bombing? What was the repair process like etc?
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That third WTC building that collapsed ... LOL.
If that total nonsense isn't enough to make you realize 9/11 wasn't what "they" said it was, I'm afraid you're what is referred to as a retard.
And there is footage clearly showing demolition-style mini explosions running down the towers' length consistent with what experts describe to achieve a sophisticated takedown.
A steel building doesn't get smashed by a plane at any point in its vertical structure and then plummet/implode into its base like those three in NY did. It's beyond ludicrous.
The whole deal stinks to high hell.
Everyone with an ounce of intellect and information knows it, too.
All those lives lost ... Such horrors experienced ...
The corruption and evil is unimaginable.
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It's speculated that WTC 7 was the command center for the whole event that day, that's why it was brought down. Watch some of the videos shown on TV that day. They're bullshit, period. If anyone wants a good read on what happened check out The New Pearl Harbor, by David Ray Griffin, and The New Pearl Harbor Revisited, also by David Ray Griffin. All the facts are laid out, interviews with military pilots, etc. This was absolutely an inside job. Just research with an open mind and read all the facts. I wanted to believe our government would never be so corrupt and evil, but they are. Look up Operation Northwoods as well if you think our government would never try something like this. They tried to pull the same shit in the Kennedy administration, but he wouldn't sign off on it.
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Witnesses saw an airplane fly into the pentagon.
Also, passengers on the plane that flew into the pentagon died.
Correction: Many witnesses saw a decoy plane fly over the Pentagon. They have convinced themselves this plane flew into the Pentagon.
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Terrorist.
Call me navie. But America won't kill Americans just to go to war. No end game.
HAHA! Ok, have you been paying attention to how the global elite is replacing Americans (whites) and Europeans? Nations mean nothing to them.
Globalists will kill Americans to go to war. I hope you wake up one day.
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You have to understand that anything what foil hats see first time is called "rare footage" even if it has being around for decades for the normal people. Their biggest problem is that they are fishing their things from the foil hat pool of shit, and that doesn't include any of the facts which has being a common knowledge for years ;D
Ropo - you're the biggest foil hatter of them all. You believe that 19 cave dwellers were able to pull this off.
LMAO!! Ropo is a CT'er.
(https://illuminutti.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/tin-foil-hat-3_225px.jpg?w=200&h=257)
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The same people who say that it was a huge, elaborate conspiracy by the US govt. are the same people who complain about the US govt. being completely incompetent.
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I think most people believe the US govt. is corrupt. Not sure where this incompetent argument comes from and I hear it often.
Corrupt does not equal incompetent.
And are you really trying to convince us that 19 middle eastern cave dwellers are more competent? After the US bombed the fuck out of them and destroyed a few countries? LMAO! What a fucking joke. That argument should be retired immediately. Yes, they were competent enough to pull it off. Just as Hitler was competent enough to fight a World War for 5 years against USA, Britain, Russia, France etc.
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Pentagon and WTC7 is all that is needed to bust open this 911 myth.
Where's the plane? Video show clearly it was a missile:
(http://montalk.net/four_per_second.gif)
This is what it should have looked like. The plane would have been visible, even in 1 frame.
(http://911truthaustralia.com/images/doctored%20pentagon%20video.gif)
Various Pentagon witnesses saw a plane fly over them in a different location from the claimed flight path. What they saw was a decoy plane. It flew over the Pentagon at the same time that a missile hit the building. This also explains the lack of damage to the lawn and foundations. The plane would have decimated both.
(http://www.sxolsout.org.uk/nov09_files/lawn24.jpg)
(http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/pics/closest-north-path-still-misses-poles.jpg)
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Without more frames to look at, and without enhancement of the shadowed area, and assuming the perspective/proportion checks out, I'm willing to call it a plane.
But I didn't know it was out there so thanks for bringing it up. It's really interesting.
The video does not lie. No plane is visible. Smoke and a fireball is visible. So why is the plane not visible? You are looking at a missile. If you think that is a plane you might as well believe in fairies.
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The video does not lie. No plane is visible. Smoke and a fireball is visible. So why is the plane not visible? You are looking at a missile. If you think that is a plane you might as well believe in fairies.
That's very convincing it was a missile & not a plane hitting the pentagon.
I would think it would be easy for a film expert to slow that right down if it is a plane
So it can be clearly seen.
Not seen that video before.
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A plane absolutely would be visible. Absolutely.
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Strong knowledge of missiles in this thread ::) ::)
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No plane visible in top gif but çlearly visible in gif 2, so which is real?
Pentagon and WTC7 is all that is needed to bust open this 911 myth.
Where's the plane? Video show clearly it was a missile:
(http://montalk.net/four_per_second.gif)
This is what it should have looked like. The plane would have been visible, even in 1 frame.
(http://911truthaustralia.com/images/doctored%20pentagon%20video.gif)
Various Pentagon witnesses saw a plane fly over them in a different location from the claimed flight path. What they saw was a decoy plane. It flew over the Pentagon at the same time that a missile hit the building. This also explains the lack of damage to the lawn and foundations. The plane would have decimated both.
(http://www.sxolsout.org.uk/nov09_files/lawn24.jpg)
(http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/pics/closest-north-path-still-misses-poles.jpg)
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The dad of the main guy they claim to have highjacked the plane called him the day after. The dad swears they had a conversation. How did this happen?
As for footage of the Pentagon. You know damn well they have security cameras up the ass. Probably have all sorts of angles but won't share any footage.
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Good posts, obsidian.
The scale is off on the plane gif, definitely, but still cool. With a tail height of 44.5' it makes for a cockpit roof height of about 20 feet, against a building of 77 feet.
(http://www.al-airliners.be/boeing/757.jpg)
So IMO the object at 1:26 is the approximate height we'd expect to see from the nose of a Boeing 757.
But at the very least, frames were taken out of the video and that's like WTF
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Man, after reading this thread, it feels like people are finally getting it and there is hope in humanity again, lol, after I demolish those two idiots (Ropo and Ozmo) on the 9/11 thread over the conspiracy board, I just got tired of arguing with retards, and stopped posting.
But the main point stands, and anybody with an IQ higher than room temperature can understand that is scientifically impossible to explain how could the top 10-15 floors of the building brought down the rest of the 90-95 floors in a staggering 12 f@#$ing seconds into it's own foot print. They did not collapse slowly like it should had been if it were structural failures. It came down in 12 seconds and not even the base or better said the first 10 to 15 floors of the tower stood.
This video explains it extremely clear for those with an intelligence higher than a 12 grader how the collapse of the twin towers go against the laws of physics.
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Man, after reading this thread, it feels like people are finally getting it and there is hope in humanity again, lol, after I demolish those two idiots (Ropo and Ozmo) on the 9/11 thread over the conspiracy board, I just got tired of arguing with retards, and stopped posting.
But the main point stands, and anybody with an IQ higher than room temperature can understand that is scientifically impossible to explain how could the top 10-15 floors of the building brought down the rest of the 90-95 floors in a staggering 12 f@#$ing seconds into it's own foot print. They did not collapse slowly like it should had been if it were structural failures. It came down in 12 seconds and not even the base or better said the first 10 to 15 floors of the tower stood.
This video explains it extremely clear for those with an intelligence higher than a 12 grader how the collapse of the twin towers go against the laws of physics.
So you're claiming a gov agency loaded the towers with explosives?
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People should understand the videos out there on the subject are about 99% trash. I don't know why, exactly, but that's what it is. Maybe as many reasons for that as there are individual videos.
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So you're claiming a gov agency loaded the towers with explosives?
About a dozen people knew. Again. Google military death accidents for the week of 9/11/2001-9/18/2001
Only living people with all of the details are Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bolton and Chrystal. Even Bush Jr wasn't in on it.
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About a dozen people knew. Again. Google military death accidents for the week of 9/11/2001-9/18/2001
Only living people with all of the details are Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bolton and Chrystal. Even Bush Jr wasn't in on it.
Bolton is one of the loudest voices right now against opening any action on Saudi Arabia.
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About a dozen people knew. Again. Google military death accidents for the week of 9/11/2001-9/18/2001
Only living people with all of the details are Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bolton and Chrystal. Even Bush Jr wasn't in on it.
So a dozen people wired how many buildings with explosives?
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Attacking Afghanistan was legitimate to get rid of the Taliban was legitimate, made sense and was supported by most of the world.
Attacking Iraq was idiotic, illegal, led to the birth of Isis and the mess the Middle East and Europe is now in.
Now for America's idiocy, the entire world must pay.
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So a dozen people wired how many buildings with explosives?
Have you seen controlled demolition videos? usually just 2-3 people handle a full building.
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Have you seen controlled demolition videos? usually just 2-3 people handle a full building.
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In 24 days, CDI's 12 person loading crew placed 4,118 separate charges in 1,100 locations on 9 levels of the structure. Over 36,000 ft. of detonating cord and 4,512 non-electric delay devices were installed in CDI's implosion initiation system. As the implosion required the detonation of a total of 2,728 lb. of explosives, CDI implemented 36 “primary delays" and an additional 216 “micro-delays" in the implosion initiation sequence in an attempt to keep detonation overpressure to a minimum.
http://www.controlled-demolition.com/article/jl-hudson-department-store-detroit-michigan
I believe this one was "only" 33 stories tall.
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In 24 days, CDI's 12 person loading crew placed 4,118 separate charges in 1,100 locations on 9 levels of the structure. Over 36,000 ft. of detonating cord and 4,512 non-electric delay devices were installed in CDI's implosion initiation system. As the implosion required the detonation of a total of 2,728 lb. of explosives, CDI implemented 36 “primary delays" and an additional 216 “micro-delays" in the implosion initiation sequence in an attempt to keep detonation overpressure to a minimum.
http://www.controlled-demolition.com/article/jl-hudson-department-store-detroit-michigan
I believe this one was "only" 33 stories tall.
I'd like to debate you further on this topic but I see an interesting hacker just got onto my wifi and a van circling. Gov knows I'm on to them.
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Anyone know how long the WTC was under wraps after the 93 bombing? What was the repair process like etc?
Was closed from February 26 until March 19.
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I'd like to debate you further on this topic but I see an interesting hacker just got onto my wifi and a van circling. Gov knows I'm on to them.
I sent them your way. IFL!! (Illuminati For Life)
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I just like the fact that with just Two words I got a "pseudo Pavlovian" response
strong logic for a metrosexual waiter
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Interesting pic you don't see too often, from inside the C ring (meaning the middle ring in second pic).
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/88Badmachine88/PentagonCRingHole.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/The_Pentagon_DCA_08_2010_9854.jpg)
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This is all the radar communication that day. What happened with the fighter jets alone is vexing to say the least.
Long but fascinating to see it all unfold.
More on it toward end of this (Censored 2008: The Top 25 Censored Stories of 2006-07)
https://books.google.com/books?id=Hg3DR7blYgAC&pg=PA244&lpg=PA244&dq=putin+warned+9/11&source=bl&ots=qJni1X2WFm&sig=mRSIZDyP-NeGImqikon6fG-KPHs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAjgUahUKEwj4r4XRus3IAhVVL4gKHdUyCB4#v=onepage&q=putin%20warned%209%2F11&f=false
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So you're claiming a gov agency loaded the towers with explosives?
Another video, explaining the idiocy of the infrastructural failure myth. Chaos are you saying and believe that 15 floors in the World Trade Center, our tallest skyscraper, pancaked the rest of the 95 floors, all it's way down into it's own footprint disintegrating concrete into dust and sending steel beens 600 foot to the sides in just 12 seconds due to fuel and office fire?
I do believe somebody did rig those buildings with explosives (building 7 as well); as to who? I don't and most likely will never know, but I bet you Mosad may have a hand into all of this.
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Another video, explaining the idiocy of the infrastructural failure myth. Chaos are you saying and believe that 15 floors in the World Trade Center, our tallest skyscraper, pancaked the rest of the 95 floors, all it's way down into it's own footprint disintegrating concrete into dust and sending steel beens 600 foot to the sides in just 12 seconds due to fuel and office fire?
I do believe somebody did rig those buildings with explosives (building 7 as well); as to who? I don't and most likely will never know, but I bet you Mosad may have a hand into all of this.
That's true. So no sense getting worked up about it, right?
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interesting videos and accounts here. I get that it's believed the US government was behind this or atleast let it happen, my question is why?
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That's true. So no sense getting worked up about it, right?
NO WE NEED THE TRUTH!!
We demand answers that we can prove our conspiracies! The government had 8 presidents before Washington!
I will not rest until this crime is solved and the real criminals are tried before a jury of their peers.
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NO WE NEED THE TRUTH!!
We demand answers that we can prove our conspiracies! The government had 8 presidents before Washington!
I will not rest until this crime is solved and the real criminals are tried before a jury of their peers.
I mean the explosion part at the WTC. What could it show, even if there were a way to "prove" explosions happened from something other than fuel-spray igniting in the elevator shafts?
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The only way to know is to fly a plane into the Sears tower and see what happens. Make it happen Wiggs.
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I mean the explosion part at the WTC. What could it show, even if there were a way to "prove" explosions happened from something other than fuel-spray igniting in the elevator shafts?
I'm just busting balls bro.
There's many great points being brought up, from chaos asking who could have set the explosives without being noticed, to the video evidence that no plane is seen hitting the Pentagon, only an explosion.
All that said my thought is that there was more involved than the simple plane crashes into the building, at one point leaders admitted to bringing down the third building but then claimed to have the wrong info.
All things considered it's a great and interesting discussion.
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I'm just busting balls bro.
There's many great points being brought up, from chaos asking who could have set the explosives without being noticed, to the video evidence that no plane is seen hitting the Pentagon, only an explosion.
All that said my thought is that there was more involved than the simple plane crashes into the building, at one point leaders admitted to bringing down the third building but then claimed to have the wrong info.
All things considered it's a great and interesting discussion.
I didn't know about this one.
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But yeah, you can imagine fuel falling down the elevator shafts into millions of tiny droplets and what even a tiny spark would cause.
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Key words from the girl: "These terrorists"
I never forget my first thoughts also on that morning when watching it live. "We need to close the borders."
Hopefully Trump wins and we start taking action instead of sitting around like idiots.
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interesting videos and accounts here. I get that it's believed the US government was behind this or atleast let it happen, my question is why?
Take a look at what's been done to all the innocent citizens as a result of it, and there's your answer.
How else could it have been done, if not for that?
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It's like this. If you felt you were in competition with someone else -- and your livelihood, comfort, etc. were at stake due to that person working against you: would you like the opportunity to examine all communications involving that person, while simultaneously blacking-out all information he could get on you?
That is exactly what has happened since 9/11 between the government and ourselves, precisely due to 9/11.
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Another video, explaining the idiocy of the infrastructural failure myth. Chaos are you saying and believe that 15 floors in the World Trade Center, our tallest skyscraper, pancaked the rest of the 95 floors, all it's way down into it's own footprint disintegrating concrete into dust and sending steel beens 600 foot to the sides in just 12 seconds due to fuel and office fire?
I do believe somebody did rig those buildings with explosives (building 7 as well); as to who? I don't and most likely will never know, but I bet you Mosad may have a hand into all of this.
I'm questioning the magnitude of what you're claiming. From what little I've read, it was take an entire crew, weeks/months of planning and planting explosives in each tower, undetected by anyone....really?
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The shadiest part of this all is how Cheney wouldn't let Bush testify unless he was present. Then they enacted a presidential order to forever seal the documents. Seems shady for people who didn't know it was supposed to happen. What the fuck are they hiding?
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The sharpest part of this all is how Cheney wouldn't let Bush testify unless he was present. Then they enacted a presidential order to forever seal the documents. Seems shady for people who didn't know it was supposed to happen. What the fuck are they hiding?
They refused to be under oath and they refused to have any official recording made whatsoever.
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Another thing that must have some importance to it, are Donald Rumsfeld's comments describing the crash scene to say it didn't look like a plane hit. He said something very similar to that, but will look later for exactly what it was.
He was careful when he said it, and it didn't look like a slip at all. So he had or felt he had some reason to say it, maybe thinking ahead to something he expected to occur.
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Another thing that must have some importance to it, are Donald Rumsfeld's comments describing the crash scene to say it didn't look like a plane hit. He said something very similar to that, but will look later for exactly what it was.
He was careful when he said it, and it didn't look like a slip at all. So he had or felt he had some reason to say it, maybe thinking ahead to something he expected to occur.
This explains everything about Rumsfeld.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
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2:40 lobby blown up
3:16 explosion in the basement
11:15 pentagon
12:20 1st tower collapse and then firefighters describe it as a detonation
13:40 more firefighter accounts of multiple explosions
15:06 Larry Silverstein claims that he had talked with fire marshall to have 3rd building "pulled" or collapsed. Dan Rather says well placed dynamite was placed to cause this collapse.
16:00 demolition experts are interviewed
16:40 Jet fuel burns at 700 degrees and that heat would never weaken steel....
17:00 fires under ground and the flowing molten steel
Interesting video, and as I said people's memories aren't always accurate in times of crisis/disaster but still a good watch.
I didn't know about this one.
Click the video link and scroll to the 15:06 mark. I'll see if I can find a link where he reversed his stance.
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Here's one of the quotes:
(I) went downstairs and outside and there on the apron outside the Pentagon were the-- were just thousands of pieces of metal. Small pieces. Not big chunks of an airplane.
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Click the video link and scroll to the 15:06 mark. I'll see if I can find a link where he reversed his stance.
Yeah, I knew about Silverstein. He's not a firefighter, so I could see him saying that without it being something necessarily sinister.
Btw, Peter Jennings (like Dan Rather) said something about it on-air, too, before he was cut off by his correspondent from the streets of NY. He said something like "anyone who has seen a building come down on purpose, knows you must get to the under infrastructure..."
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Steel framed buildings do NOT collapse because of fire. Plenty examples of this.
(http://investigate911.org/Flame-Engulfed-Steel-Frame-High-Rise-Buildings-Do-Not-Collapse.jpg)
You're spending a awful lot of time trying to debunk people here and you're not making any progress at all. Is someone paying you to spew false government propaganda? All you're doing here is stating your own personal opinions, which mean nothing.
Which one of those was hit by the 375 000 lb passenger jet? This foil hat way of compare totally different things to each other is quite funny, but do it prove anything else than your desperate need to believe that bullshit? I mean how fucking stupid man has to be to try something like that? If you take some of the variables out from the equation, outcome can't be same. Even the stupidest blithering idiot knows that, but you don't? What that proves you are? Lamb, repeating the foil hat hymn of complete idiotism.
Do you not believe your own eyes?...
(http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/6-10-2015/coYxU2.gif)
And the real thing:
Are you so fucking stupid that you can't see the difference? Just about the whole building has collapsed, leaving those two walls standing, and when they finally collapsed it is some kind of miracle for foil hats? You can even see the sky through the top floor windows, meaning that most of the building has collapsed already, so what this stupid clip of yours would possible prove? Your lack of intelligence?
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You think out of the blue the Bush gov. Remember I'll put it in bold. THE BUSH GOV on a whim can whip up the Department of Homeland Security? For fuck sakes man. They've had this planned out. The link I showed you is not a conspiracy link but an actual fact of a think tank formed years before Bush became president. Remember what I am saying. The US Gov didn't do it but they LET IT HAPPEN.
Just prove it. It is a common knowledge that there were different kind of warnings that this may happen, but please prove that they willingly let it happen? I mean if you have the evidence, why don't you sue the bastards? Ooh, I understand, you have only foil hat truth about this, meaning bullshit, crap and rumors? Better luck next time ;D
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I looked at it and even froze and still don't see plane
Why is it that I can clearly see the structure of a plane when it is landing or even flying but I can't see one here
So if you don't see it, it wasn't there? What that means is simple: You know better that those hundreds of eyewitnesses who saw the plane just watching some crappy video? Better than radars, drivers who nearly get crushed by the plane, and all this about the event which happen before you were born? That is quite something, it put you quite high place in the scale of stupidity ;D
And furthermore, your brain capacity isn't enough to compile the question which ask what the hell it was, if it wasn't Boeing 767. You just take the first claim you find and repeat it like it would change to the truth if you say it many times. As I say, cruising missiles are only missiles which fly horizontally like aero plane, and they are like 16 feet''s long. Are you saying that you are stupid enough to mix that kind on tiny object to the 767 which is 159 feet's long? You see, it doesn't hurt you if you know the facts of the matter you are ranting about..
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They've talked to numerous pilots, and not even an experienced pilot can fly a plane that low to the ground... It's impossible.. It was a missile. It penetrated into the inner rings of the pentagon, the impact of a plane would not do this.. As far as explosions... Plenty of evidence.. They interviewed numerous firefighters that heard explosions, and said the towers fell just like a controlled demolition. Those interviews conveniently disappeared. That day 3 steel framed buildings collapsed into there own footprints.. First time in history... And all on the same day. Those towers were designed to take multiple impacts from a 747 and stay standing, they also were designed where if impact occurred only a section of the building would collapse... Not the whole building into its own footprint... Pulverized concrete caused and enormous amount of dust... What pulverizes concrete?? Explosives... Jets routinely intercept off course planes.... That day they must have forgotten how to... The official story is pathetic... The rubble was quickly shipped off to China... Why? To destroy evidence... Puddles of molten steel below the rubble that stayed hot for days and days... Why? Thermite. Official story is such a joke... Most everyone outside this country knows our government was directly involved.. More than 50% of Americans now believe our government was as well.
What a load of bullshit. First of all, if you cant fly to plane with high accuracy, you can't land it because you miss the runway. This claim is made by idiots who haven't have a slightest clue how to fly the plane. This has been done by simulators thousand of times with no problems, and I don't mean PlayStation simulators. The claim is literally too stupid to be true, and foil hats know it, so they make this phony organization pilots for 911 truth to give statements for idiots. And why do you speak only the moment of hitting the building, while the plane has been in air and visible for hundreds of eyewitnesses long before the hit?
They say it was just like controlled demolition? They say this, and suddenly it is a fact? So if I say that you are an imbecile, it also has to remain a fact? Is this how things are proved in this world ? I say you are the imbecile, and that's it, it is a fact? Or how about some evidences to prove that it isn't just words of the puzzled mind of the firefighters?
Please link me the original document where you can read the statement that those towers were designed to take multiple impacts from a 747 and stay standing? You can't, because there isn't such thing, you are just repeating the foil hat lies. IF not, just present the evidence? When you are looking for that, how about little bit of reality? "Airplane impact tests conducted by WTC structural engineers during the design of the Twin Towers used the Boeing 707, which was one of the largest passenger jets in the world at the time. The results of the test, carried out early in 1964, calculated that the towers would handle the impact of a 707 traveling at 600 mph without collapsing." Difference between 767-200ER and average 707? 767 is heavier and carry more fuel, and it is larger in dimensions. Do you really think that architects can estimate these things with such accuracy, that they know what kind of damage future aero planes will do? For example, how they calculate accurately the wear of 30 years what building has been in use?
And while I am 100% sure that you can't be the only person on this planet who have seen how the concrete has pulverize in other similar collapses because there isn't any, how you can be so fucking sure that it can't pulverize like that just by the collapse? In fact, you can't know it, you just suppose it can't, because you haven't even a slightest clue what kind of forces is involved in collapse like that. Energy in that collapse is enormous, it is far beyond you imagination and even further from your knowledge, so how you know? You read it from the internet, and internet doesn't never tell lies to you? For example, prove me that there were puddles of molten steel? There must be video or photos about them? There is none, not even one in the whole internet, but some fakes which are more than enough for you, if you are retard.
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As I say, the whole debacle reeks of seriously shady business.
That fool Ropo must be a salaried employee of some sinister arm of the government or something to spout at length, and continually, what he does.
Doesn't take an exceptional intellect to modestly explore available information and conclude the entire 9-11 tragedy doesn't add up in the way it's told to us, "officially".
And as foil hat idiots usually, you can't prove even that there really would be some "salaried employees" of some sort of sinister organizations writing in the internet. That is just another lie you have found and what you are repeating like a lamb. Fact is that if you have even a half a brains, you are able to see through these foil hat lies and point out their errors without any problems at all. I am from Finland and it is obvious that I doesn't even speak the fucking language because my grammar is crap, and still I can tell you that you morons doesn't have any evidence at all. People who believe these foil hat lies are morons, they doesn't have any brain functions what so ever, and this is only reason why they believe that crap without asking any evidence at all. When someone point out that there should be some way to prove these foil hat claims, it is quite obvious that he is smarter than foil hats, so he has to be some salaried employee ;D
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I think he's a Lebron James fan. Maybe ex military. A lot of guys who served after 9/11 because of 9/11 don't want to admit it was all a con.
No, I am just ordinary finnish bloke, who want to know truth of the matters. That's why I can't believe that foil hat crap, because you morons has no evidence at all. It make me no difference who present the truth, if he can prove it to be a fact. This is what you morons can't understand: Things become to facts by the evidence, not by saying they are facts.
Only reason for your lack of the ability to see the facts of the matter is your lower than average IQ, which makes you believers. You have blind faith for the things what you have read from the internet, and you never even think that foil hats should prove their claims. Anyone with just an average IQ would immediately see that there is just claims, and ask for the evidence, but you guys don't even try? Everything, even the silliest claims are like a word of God for you, and you don't even understand how stupid thing that is. Let me reveal the secret to you: These foil hat fairytales aren't the word of God, they are the word of anonym imbeciles who are representing the stupidest part of the human kind.
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Man, after reading this thread, it feels like people are finally getting it and there is hope in humanity again, lol, after I demolish those two idiots (Ropo and Ozmo) on the 9/11 thread over the conspiracy board, I just got tired of arguing with retards, and stopped posting.
But the main point stands, and anybody with an IQ higher than room temperature can understand that is scientifically impossible to explain how could the top 10-15 floors of the building brought down the rest of the 90-95 floors in a staggering 12 f@#$ing seconds into it's own foot print. They did not collapse slowly like it should had been if it were structural failures. It came down in 12 seconds and not even the base or better said the first 10 to 15 floors of the tower stood.
This video explains it extremely clear for those with an intelligence higher than a 12 grader how the collapse of the twin towers go against the laws of physics.
When that has happen? Are you meaning that when you go away crying you have demolished something? You silly brat, it is almost too easy to anyone check that out, and anyone can see that it haven happen, so shut the fuck up. And really, do it make any difference, because there is on common thing for all these threads about the foil hat conspiracies, because not even one of them include any evidence about the conspiracy.
Why you morons are so blind about this fact? In which way it presents any kind of intelligence to believe all that crap without asking any evidence? Everything about his conspiracy is based on foil hat lies, and you can't prove none of them to be a fact. You know this and that is the reason why you don't even try, even if I have promised that I will shut up permanently if someone show me even one real evidence about the explosions at the 9/11 videos. So you have demolished me by screaming like an ape, throwing crap all over the place, but not presenting the evidence, which is only way to shut me up? And this proves you to be a) an imbecile b) a moron c) a blithering idiot? You don't need that silly video to prove it, your intelligence is so enormous, that you can't even link the YouTube video properly in your comment? How hard is that? Too much for your brains, evidently?? ;D
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When that has happen? Are you meaning that when you go away crying you have demolished something? You silly brat, it is almost too easy to anyone check that out, and anyone can see that it haven happen, so shut the fuck up. And really, do it make any difference, because there is on common thing for all these threads about the foil hat conspiracies, because not even one of them include any evidence about the conspiracy.
Why you morons are so blind about this fact? In which way it presents any kind of intelligence to believe all that crap without asking any evidence? Everything about his conspiracy is based on foil hat lies, and you can't prove none of them to be a fact. You know this and that is the reason why you don't even try, even if I have promised that I will shut up permanently if someone show me even one real evidence about the explosions at the 9/11 videos. So you have demolished me by screaming like an ape, throwing crap all over the place, but not presenting the evidence, which is only way to shut me up? And this proves you to be a) an imbecile b) a moron c) a blithering idiot? You don't need that silly video to prove it, your intelligence is so enormous, that you can't even link the YouTube video properly in your comment? How hard is that? Too much for your brains, evidently?? ;D
Meltdown.
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Which one of those was hit by the 375 000 lb passenger jet? This foil hat way of compare totally different things to each other is quite funny, but do it prove anything else than your desperate need to believe that bullshit? I mean how fucking stupid man has to be to try something like that? If you take some of the variables out from the equation, outcome can't be same. Even the stupidest blithering idiot knows that, but you don't? What that proves you are? Lamb, repeating the foil hat hymn of complete idiotism.
And the real thing:
Are you so fucking stupid that you can't see the difference? Just about the whole building has collapsed, leaving those two walls standing, and when they finally collapsed it is some kind of miracle for foil hats? You can even see the sky through the top floor windows, meaning that most of the building has collapsed already, so what this stupid clip of yours would possible prove? Your lack of intelligence?
WTC7 was imploded just like the other ones. Jet fuel does not melt steel. You are either delusional or a paid government shill.
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Ropo you are a stupid phaggot.
Stop talking.
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When that has happen? Are you meaning that when you go away crying you have demolished something? You silly brat, it is almost too easy to anyone check that out, and anyone can see that it haven happen, so shut the fuck up. And really, do it make any difference, because there is on common thing for all these threads about the foil hat conspiracies, because not even one of them include any evidence about the conspiracy.
Why you morons are so blind about this fact? In which way it presents any kind of intelligence to believe all that crap without asking any evidence? Everything about his conspiracy is based on foil hat lies, and you can't prove none of them to be a fact. You know this and that is the reason why you don't even try, even if I have promised that I will shut up permanently if someone show me even one real evidence about the explosions at the 9/11 videos. So you have demolished me by screaming like an ape, throwing crap all over the place, but not presenting the evidence, which is only way to shut me up? And this proves you to be a) an imbecile b) a moron c) a blithering idiot? You don't need that silly video to prove it, your intelligence is so enormous, that you can't even link the YouTube video properly in your comment? How hard is that? Too much for your brains, evidently?? ;D
What part does ropo the retarded inbreed does not understand that the official report is a conspiracy theory in it self, dummy. It is becoming clear this person is working with an agenda most likely paid by somebody, and sooner or later he will be buried here, hopefully ban.
Another fact which is not a conspiracy is that congress spent more money investigating Bill Clinton having his dindong suck by a whore than they spent investigating the biggest terrorist attack on our homeland and the biggest failure of government, AND spent much less time investigating the dead of 3000 people than what they have spent investigating the dead of 3 people with Benghazi.. Let that sink in for a minute.
But hey, government conspiracy reports must be true, like back in the 60's with the Gulf of Tonkin Incident.
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What part does ropo the retarded inbreed does not understand that the official report is a conspiracy theory in it self, dummy. It is becoming clear this person is working with an agenda most likely paid by somebody, and sooner or later he will be buried here, hopefully ban.
Another fact which is not a conspiracy is that congress spent more money investigating Bill Clinton having his dindong suck by a whore than they spent investigating the biggest terrorist attack on our homeland and the biggest failure of government, AND spent much less time investigating the dead of 3000 people than what they have spent investigating the dead of 3 people with Benghazi.. Let that sink in for a minute.
But hey, government conspiracy reports must be true, like back in the 60's with the Gulf of Tonkin Incident.
Why would you have to spend a lot of money investigating something that was blatantly obvious what had happened
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Why would you have to spend a lot of money investigating something that was blatantly obvious what had happened
The official investigation claims an airplane flew into the Pentagon. Yet the only video available clearly indicates it was a missile. You don't think this is cause for concern? Just a little detail that's wrong??
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Why you morons are so blind about this fact? In which way it presents any kind of intelligence to believe all that crap without asking any evidence? Everything about his conspiracy is based on foil hat
The only moron that is blind is you Ropo. First of all, your grammar sucks. Learn to speak English.
Where is the plane? Why is the lawn so nice after a plane plowed into the building at ground level? Hint: It was not a plane
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Which one of those was hit by the 375 000 lb passenger jet? This foil hat way of compare totally different things to each other is quite funny, but do it prove anything else than your desperate need to believe that bullshit?
Classic case of the pot calling the kettle black. Ropo, please take off the tin foil hat you fucking moron.
WTC7 was not hit by a passenger jet. Neither was the Pentagon. You believe in bullshit. Go do some research and educate yourself.
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The official investigation claims an airplane flew into the Pentagon. Yet the only video available clearly indicates it was a missile. You don't think this is cause for concern? Just a little detail that's wrong??
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no it doesn't, its inconclusive, are you seriously saying you can see a missile?
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I remember when this occurred. I was down by Washington Square Park walking my dog, just having finished eating lunch at Eva's (This mini, bodybuilding diner/eatery spot on 8th street off of 5th Avenue, that served meals catered to health aficionados/bodybuilders and had a supplement shop at the back of their store - EVERY IFBB pro in NYC would eat there, sometimes daily).
Anyhow, once the first plane hit, everyone at Eva's heard a loud boom. We figured a power generator might have blown somewhere on the NYU campus. I then proceeded to try and pay for my meal and the Greek owner at the counter realized my credit card was not getting processed properly. I wasn't sure what was going on, but thankfully he told me the meal was on him due to his machine being down.
I walked out of Eva's and then made my way to Washington Square Park and saw the largest cloud of smoke originating from one of the towers. I stood there and stared for a good 30 minutes and in between that time, the second plane hit.
That's when I decided to get the fuck out of the area and make my way uptown (by foot). That day I walked all the way from the East Village to 96th street and Broadway (4-5 miles away) and spent the night with other NY'ers hearing news updates at a local computer cafe.
Crazy times...
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I remember when this occurred. I was down by Washington Square Park walking my dog, just having finished eating lunch at Eva's (This mini, bodybuilding diner/eatery spot on 8th street off of 5th Avenue, that served meals catered to health aficionados/bodybuilders and had a supplement shop at the back of their store - EVERY IFBB pro in NYC would eat there, sometimes daily).
Anyhow, once the first plane hit, everyone at Eva's heard a loud boom. We figured a power generator might have blown somewhere on the NYU campus. I then proceeded to try and pay for my meal and the Greek owner at the counter realized my credit card was not getting processed properly. I wasn't sure what was going on, but thankfully he told me the meal was on him due to his machine being down.
I walked out of Eva's and then made my way to Washington Square Park and saw the largest cloud of smoke originating from one of the towers. I stood there and stared for a good 30 minutes and in between that time, the second plane hit.
That's when I decided to get the fuck out of the area and make my way uptown (by foot). That day I walked all the way from the East Village to 96th street and Broadway (4-5 miles away) and spent the night with other NY'ers hearing news updates at a local computer cafe.
Crazy times...
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Did you see the 2nd plane hit?
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“I was down there, and I watch our police and our firemen down on 7-Eleven, down at the World Trade Center, right after it came down and I saw the greatest people I have ever seen in action.”
- Trump, today.
He was sucking down a Slurpee, I saw him.
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no it doesn't, its inconclusive, are you seriously saying you can see a missile?
No it isn't conclusive footage played at that speed.
Though I would hazard a guess that...
1, The footage could be slowed down - possibly to frame by frame.
2, That there would be other Cameras with better images of what it was.
3, It appears very low to the ground - Possibly if it is a plane - There could of been tyre marks.
The Whole 9/11 Catastrophe just doesn't seem to add up to the Official Story.
A bit like the Diana / Dodi Accident & The Death of Dr David Kelly, etc etc.
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No it isn't conclusive footage played at that speed.
Though I would hazard a guess that...
1, The footage could be slowed down - possibly to frame by frame.
2, That there would be other Cameras with better images of what it was.
3, It appears very low to the ground - Possibly if it is a plane - There could of been tyre marks.
The Whole 9/11 Catastrophe just doesn't seem to add up to the Official Story.
A bit like the Diana / Dodi Accident & The Death of Dr David Kelly, etc etc.
fucking lol, they werent planning on landing properly FFS
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fucking lol, they werent planning on landing properly FFS
Really is that the best you can answer.
If so don't bother - your showing yourself up.
Try being slightly more constructive.
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Really is that the best you can answer.
If so don't bother - your showing yourself up.
Try being slightly more constructive.
and saying "it doesnt seem to add up" whilst producing absolutely fuck all in the means of evidence is typical of tin foil hatters.
Arguing with people like you is like trying to convince this guy the world really isnt going to end.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-crrhNTC6dfA/TdXSLNS_R9I/AAAAAAAAB6I/h4J27xT7d3c/s1600/End-is-near-785574.jpg)
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Here's a little better visual info on it. If you look carefully, you'll see the impact on the outer wall has already taken place by frame two: the hole has come into existence and the fire has begun to rise above the building.
(http://s31.postimg.org/sqkh27sy3/911_12x_Impact500.jpg)
Another thing to consider, is that the frame-rate on this camera may have been as little as 1 frame per second. That wouldn't be unusual for a security camera. Meaning that a plane might have spanned the visible distance and completely entered the building in less than a second. IF it was a plane, and IF there are no removed frames, then that's exactly what it must mean.
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^You can tab that image or 'view image' to see it larger.
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The overhead scene with the hit is really something to see, but pretty sure it isn't authentic.
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^Anyone know of any claims made about that overhead video? How's it said to have been taken?
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Ropo typing like a fiend, melting, with each and every keystroke painting himself a severe 'tard.
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No it isn't conclusive footage played at that speed.
Though I would hazard a guess that...
1, The footage could be slowed down - possibly to frame by frame.
2, That there would be other Cameras with better images of what it was.
3, It appears very low to the ground - Possibly if it is a plane - There could of been tyre marks.
The Whole 9/11 Catastrophe just doesn't seem to add up to the Official Story.
A bit like the Diana / Dodi Accident & The Death of Dr David Kelly, etc etc.
"Could have/could've"
HTH
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no it doesn't, its inconclusive, are you seriously saying you can see a missile?
I know that's not a plane. The plane would have been visible in even 1 frame. The grass lawn was undisturbed even though the plane supposedly entered on the first level. Witnesses saw an aircraft fly over them and they were not near the light poles that were downed. The taxi driver talked about a cover up. The list goes on and on.
Major General Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine III, head of all intelligence says:
Pentagon NOT hit by a plane
WTC 7 brought down by explosives
Media in America is controlled
Albert "Bert" Newton Stubblebine III (born 1930) is a retired United States Army major general whose active duty career spanned 32 years. Beginning as an armor officer, he later transferred to intelligence. He is credited with redesigning the U.S. Army intelligence architecture during his time as commanding general of the U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM) from 1981 to 1984, after which he retired from active service.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Stubblebine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Stubblebine)
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and saying "it doesnt seem to add up" whilst producing absolutely fuck all in the means of evidence is typical of tin foil hatters.
Arguing with people like you is like trying to convince this guy the world really isnt going to end.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-crrhNTC6dfA/TdXSLNS_R9I/AAAAAAAAB6I/h4J27xT7d3c/s1600/End-is-near-785574.jpg)
As I said before, believing the official 911 "Story" makes you a tin foil hatter. That is where we stand today. So please take off your tin foil hat.
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Meltdown.
It is a lot easier to say that, than try to answer any questions I have asked. Why it is always like this? I ask you to prove the explosions, your answer is just utter bullshit not even close to subject. Do you think that people can't see that you are avoiding to give any answers, because you don't have any? Don't you realize that it is just fucking obvious that you guys can't prove any of your claims at all, and you prove it your self by doing what you do? Do you understand how fucking fool you look because you do that, because it is just so fucking clear that you are just a moron who has blind faith for the foil hat bullshit, but not enough brains to find an answer even the simplest questions.
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WTC7 was imploded just like the other ones. Jet fuel does not melt steel. You are either delusional or a paid government shill.
So you are just so fucking stupid that you don't see the difference? Well, that explains a lot of your behavior. You are full of shit and you prove it by yourself, because you don't have any evidence to prove any of those claims you present above.
1. WTC7 was imploded just like the other ones = no it didn't. Just prove that there were even one explosion, I dare you, you fucking moron.
2. Jet fuel does not melt steel. = no it doesn't and no one but foil hats has ever claimed it does. But what it does, it start to fire which heat up the steel, and when steel is hot, it loses it's structural strength. This is just a handbook physics, you can look it up anywhere. This reaction starts at the 200°C and at the 800°C 70% of the strength has gone. There was no melted steel, there is no evidence what so ever about the melted steel, it is all some foil hat nonsense.
3. What government would pay money to the finnish blockhead for calling foil hats to morons what they are? How fucking stupid you have to be just to invent something so stupid to claim? You are 1" away from the permanent placement in some mental institute, because your stupidity is impossible without serious mental handicap.
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Ropo you are a stupid phaggot.
Stop talking.
Thank you, great argument, sir. What I still wonder is why arguments like this, while it would be lot better to present the evidences about the explosions which you guys so eagerly talk. Why that isn't even an option in this kind of conversation? When you start to make arguments like that you prove only your own stupidity, and I have prove it already plenty of times, so why don't you even try to prove something else for a change? Like those fairytales which you blindly believe, how about that? Why don't you prove that it is possible to detonate hundred of kilos of explosives inside the building without breaking the windows? Those core columns were massive, weight 1.2 tons per meter in that height, so how exactly you blow them to pieces without breaking the windows only 20 meter away from the columns? Why don't you explain that rather than calling me names? Is there any other reason than this: YOU CAN'T. So if I am stupid phaggot, I am still more clever than you, because I can make the questions you cannot answer ;D
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What part does ropo the retarded inbreed does not understand that the official report is a conspiracy theory in it self, dummy. It is becoming clear this person is working with an agenda most likely paid by somebody, and sooner or later he will be buried here, hopefully ban.
Another fact which is not a conspiracy is that congress spent more money investigating Bill Clinton having his dindong suck by a whore than they spent investigating the biggest terrorist attack on our homeland and the biggest failure of government, AND spent much less time investigating the dead of 3000 people than what they have spent investigating the dead of 3 people with Benghazi.. Let that sink in for a minute.
But hey, government conspiracy reports must be true, like back in the 60's with the Gulf of Tonkin Incident.
As long you guys can't prove any of your claims about the matter, all that is just bullshit from the mind of the imbecile. Start proving that there were even one real explosion at the 9/11 attack. Just one, do you understand? 1 ? Pretty pretty please, be so kind and prove it? It has been 15 years an no one has presented the evidence about the explosions, and that proves that you are just full of shit.
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The official investigation claims an airplane flew into the Pentagon. Yet the only video available clearly indicates it was a missile. You don't think this is cause for concern? Just a little detail that's wrong??
(http://montalk.net/four_per_second.gif)
That statement itself is the best evidence of your stupidity, because only drooling moron could say something as idiotic like that. That sec cam takes one shot per second, so if you don't see the plane, which is travelling 900kmh /560 mph = 250 meters per second aka 820 feet per second, how can you say it has to be missile? And what missile? 12 feet long cruise missile, which carry all of the kerosene to make that fireball, meaning tons of it? How this kind of speed would look like in the camera like that? A flash, just like you see. You, like any of us can't see shit in that video, because it's quality is crap, and this is a fact. Still there is tons of evidences which prove that there were an aeroplane which hit the building. Tons of evidence, and thousands of eyewitnesses who saw the plane, some of them saw even the faces in the windows of the plane. This is the fact, until you have some kind of evidence which proves it isn't.
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The only moron that is blind is you Ropo. First of all, your grammar sucks. Learn to speak English.
Where is the plane? Why is the lawn so nice after a plane plowed into the building at ground level? Hint: It was not a plane
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(http://911truthaustralia.com/images/doctored%20pentagon%20video.gif)
(http://www.sxolsout.org.uk/nov09_files/lawn24.jpg)
And when there is no doubt that you are a moron, you show even more idiotic claims? How these idiotic clips and the picture overrule all of those tons of real evidence, ever eyewitness and piece of evidence? Plowing the lawn is just another foil hat claim without any evidence at all, because it didn't happen.
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I know that's not a plane. The plane would have been visible in even 1 frame. The grass lawn was undisturbed even though the plane supposedly entered on the first level. Witnesses saw an aircraft fly over them and they were not near the light poles that were downed. The taxi driver talked about a cover up. The list goes on and on.
Major General Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine III, head of all intelligence says:
Pentagon NOT hit by a plane
WTC 7 brought down by explosives
Media in America is controlled
Albert "Bert" Newton Stubblebine III (born 1930) is a retired United States Army major general whose active duty career spanned 32 years. Beginning as an armor officer, he later transferred to intelligence. He is credited with redesigning the U.S. Army intelligence architecture during his time as commanding general of the U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM) from 1981 to 1984, after which he retired from active service.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Stubblebine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Stubblebine)
And how do you know it? try to explain that, while it is a fact that camera is filming 1 frame per second, and the plane moves 250 meters(4 times it's lenght) in that time?
Do you have a smartphone with the camera? Next time when your daddy takes you to ride with his car, tell him to drive as fast as his car goes, and press your phone against the side window, and try take a picture of the mailboxes at the side of the road. You will see that you have no success, because even the speed of the car is too much to modern camera, if you don't use the flash to stop the movement. So how about this security camera from the 2001? As you see, those post's what it is filming are clear, like it is meant to be, because camera is there for incoming cars, not for the incoming planes.
And yet again, there is this "Albert the insane geek" giving statements which doesn't mean anything. He is presenting his opinion, he doesn't have any more evidence to show than average foil hat idiot have. What we know about the Albert? Let see..."Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine III is a retired Major General in the United States Army with an interest in parapsychology. In fact, he is a proponent of psychic warfare, and was himself involved in MKULTRA and U.S. military projects to create “a breed of 'super soldier'” who would “have the ability to become invisible at will and to walk through walls”. Stubblebine was apparently among the people who tried to walk through walls without noticeable success. In fact, Stubblebine was responsible for getting loads of money poured into what he claimed to be reasonable projects. He is currently heartily insane, but seems to have been batshit crazy even before he tried to walk through walls. For instance, he gave a “Lecture on Remote Viewing as a Research Tool” at the International Symposium on UFO Research in 1982 (you can find it here: “Technical Remote Viewing is the trained ability to acquire accurate direct knowledge of things and events – targets – distant in time or space, in the past, present, or future, while conscious awareness remains totally ‘blind’ to details about the target itself”). He is known to have arranged numerous “spoon-bending parties” (think Uri Geller). After an incident involving an officer who had a “psychotic episode” at the Monroe Institute, however, Stubblebine resigned as head of Army intelligence.At least it got him a prominent place in the book (later movie) “Men Who Stare at Goats”. The title of the book comes from one of the talents Stubblebine hoped to inculcate in his “Warrior Monks”: the ability to kill goats by staring at them." - Encyclopedia of American Loons
So your author seem to be quite an ordinary lunatic, just as all other foil hat idiots are? What a surprise ;D
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And when there is no doubt that you are a moron, you show even more idiotic claims? How these idiotic clips and the picture overrule all of those tons of real evidence, ever eyewitness and piece of evidence? Plowing the lawn is just another foil hat claim without any evidence at all, because it didn't happen.
Ropoo, please lay off the drugs. You need to get that tin foil hat off - you are a complete moron. In fact, it would be nice if someone impaled you for your stupidity (no homo)
Stop with your foil hat claims about a plane flying into the Pentagon. Are you crazy? That never happened. A video came out and a plane is clearly not visible. A Major General said a plane did not hit. Yet you still believe in that tin foil hat theory of yours! Get the fuck out of here with your conspiracy theories.
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Ropo typing like a fiend, melting, with each and every keystroke painting himself a severe 'tard.
And this severe 'tard make questions too difficult to you to answer, so what that tell about your intelligence? You are dumber than severe 'tard? Instead calling me names, why don't you try to prove something else than your stupidity? Those explosions for example?? Why that is out of the question? Why it isn't even an option, why it doesn't ever happen? Are you really so stupid that you don't realize that your lack of evidence and arguments proves what moron you are?
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As I said before, believing the official 911 "Story" makes you a tin foil hatter. That is where we stand today. So please take off your tin foil hat.
As long you morons can't prove shit, it make no fucking difference what you said, because you are just another moron with blind faith. You are child, not able to use your so called "brains" to figure out even simplest things, like impossibility to explode tons of explosive without even smashing the windows ;D
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That statement itself is the best evidence of your stupidity, because only drooling moron could say something as idiotic like that. That sec cam takes one shot per second, so if you don't see the plane, which is travelling 900kmh /560 mph = 250 meters per second aka 820 feet per second, how can you say it has to be missile? And what missile? 12 feet long cruise missile, which carry all of the kerosene to make that fireball, meaning tons of it? How this kind of speed would look like in the camera like that? A flash, just like you see. You, like any of us can't see shit in that video, because it's quality is crap, and this is a fact. Still there is tons of evidences which prove that there were an aeroplane which hit the building. Tons of evidence, and thousands of eyewitnesses who saw the plane, some of them saw even the faces in the windows of the plane. This is the fact, until you have some kind of evidence which proves it isn't.
They saw a decoy plane which flew over the Pentagon. The plane would have been visible in these frames even at the speed it was traveling and it is debatable how fast that was. Many witnesses have been interviewed and their positioning of the plane's location contradicts the BS official story.
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What a crap. Here is on real explosion for you:
Can you see the difference? These road side bombs are usually a pile of artillery grenades, so what detonates there is something like 30-50 kilos of the explosives. The pressure wave moves kilometers per second, and blast cloud expand with that same speed covering hundreds of meters in one flash. Even the camera start to wobble at the same time, and it is half a mile from the explosion. WTC towers have the footprint of 62 x 62 meters, and blasting those massive core columns you need to use hundred of kilos of explosives: No pressure wave, no blast clowd and the windows which are 20 meters away from the blast, doesn't break at all? How anyone on this earth could be so stupid that he believe that crap?
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What a crap. Here is on real explosion for you:
Can you see the difference? These road side bombs are usually a pile of artillery grenades, so what detonates there is something like 30-50 kilos of the explosives. The pressure wave moves kilometers per second, and blast cloud expand with that same speed covering hundreds of meters in one flash. Even the camera start to wobble at the same time, and it is half a mile from the explosion. WTC towers have the footprint of 62 x 62 meters, and blasting those massive core columns you need to use hundred of kilos of explosives: No pressure wave, no blast clowd and the windows which are 20 meters away from the blast, doesn't break at all? How anyone on this earth could be so stupid that he believe that crap?
I would hang it up mate, these guys cant see reason , they just want to pretend they are "in the know" even though they have no idea what it is they "know"
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They saw a decoy plane which flew over the Pentagon. The plane would have been visible in these frames even at the speed it was traveling and it is debatable how fast that was. Many witnesses have been interviewed and their positioning of the plane's location contradicts the BS official story.
I have to ask even I know already your answer: Why no one have seen this ""decoy plane" after it fly over the pentagon at the height of few hundred feet's? It fly over the fucking town, and no one has seen it? When passenger jet fly just over the rooftops it is impossible to miss, because it makes sound louder than 150 decibel. So it fly over the pentagon and vanish in the thin air? Typical foil hat claim with no sense at all.. ;D
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I would hang it up mate, these guys cant see reason , they just want to pretend they are "in the know" even though they have no idea what it is they "know"
Well, that is the whole point of this: to make clear to these idiots that they pretend, while they know I am right. In some point they have to admit it to themselves, and hopefully they slice their wrist because of the shame ;D
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They saw a decoy plane which flew over the Pentagon. The plane would have been visible in these frames even at the speed it was traveling and it is debatable how fast that was. Many witnesses have been interviewed and their positioning of the plane's location contradicts the BS official story.
so the townsfolk can recognise a decoy plane?
Tell me, what does a decoy plane look like?
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so the townsfolk can recognise a decoy plane?
Tell me, what does a decoy plane look like?
It is just like the real one, but it is a fake ;D
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(https://iaincarstairs.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/pentagon911attack-with-words.jpg)
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Ropo devastating minds in this thread.
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So there is this guy, standing an watching the lawn...
Large picture, so I use the links: https://publicintelligence.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/DM-SD-02-03885.jpeg (https://publicintelligence.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/DM-SD-02-03885.jpeg)
At the right you see the fence which has hole in it, and at the left you see a car behind the fire truck. Lets look closer:
Right side https://publicintelligence.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/DM-SD-02-03890.jpeg (https://publicintelligence.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/DM-SD-02-03890.jpeg)
You see that it is evident that the hole has been punched by something large going towards the building.
Left side https://publicintelligence.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/DM-SD-02-03896.jpeg (https://publicintelligence.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/DM-SD-02-03896.jpeg)
When you look at the burning car, you see part of the fence above it, pointing towards the building. There is 30-40 meters between these two parts of fence, and these foil hats are saying that missile made all that?
Well, ok. Lets look closer: https://publicintelligence.net/911-pentagon-damage-immediate-aftermath-high-resolution-photos/ (https://publicintelligence.net/911-pentagon-damage-immediate-aftermath-high-resolution-photos/)
There is one common factor in all photos on that page, because if you look carefully, you can't see any bricks, any furniture etc. anything which has been inside the building, and fly out from it by the force of explosion. Instead of that, in every photo you look, it is easy to see that there has been massive movement inward and toward the building. Please explain to me how this could be exploded missile, while it doesn't make any kind of damage by exploding? It is evident that what you see is damages made by penetration and fire, not by the explosion. In fact it is lot easier to find parts of aero plane from them, because there is lot of tiny aluminum particles all over the yard and also bigger parts are visible.
https://publicintelligence.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/DM-SD-02-03896.jpeg (https://publicintelligence.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/DM-SD-02-03896.jpeg) What is under the spray of water? Part of the aileron? Wall of the fuselage?
https://publicintelligence.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/DM-SD-02-03905.jpeg (https://publicintelligence.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/DM-SD-02-03905.jpeg) What is in the forefront? Part of the inner structure of the wings?
https://publicintelligence.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/DM-SD-02-03900.jpeg (https://publicintelligence.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/DM-SD-02-03900.jpeg) What would be that thing at the down left, which has three holes in it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_missiles_by_country (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_missiles_by_country) Please show me the missile which would do damages like that?
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Ropo devastating minds in this thread.
Reality is far more interesting, than these fucking fairy tales of the foil hat morons. They really are like a flock of lambs, they walk this same circle round after round, year after year never doing anything else than repeating words they have heard, but never bother to think them through. And this is what they call "thinking with their own brains"? It seem to me that they don't even have any brains, because they are believing things which simply cannot happen in reality ;D
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and saying "it doesnt seem to add up" whilst producing absolutely fuck all in the means of evidence is typical of tin foil hatters.
Arguing with people like you is like trying to convince this guy the world really isnt going to end.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-crrhNTC6dfA/TdXSLNS_R9I/AAAAAAAAB6I/h4J27xT7d3c/s1600/End-is-near-785574.jpg)
Really - Please try harder. You are showing yourself up.
Clearly you are unable to offer clear answers.
Just moronic non definitive posts, trying to insult people.
Very Clever.. ::) Not.
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Really - Please try harder. You are showing yourself up.
Clearly you are unable to offer clear answers.
Just moronic non definitive posts, trying to insult people.
Very Clever.. ::) Not.
answers to what?
Your unfounded allegations and ludicrous opinions of what you think happened.
Post some evidence of what you believe happened and we can discuss it.
The absence of evidence isn't actually evidence you know?
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This Ropo character is a mindless vassal. He cannot believe his own eyes. His total ignorance of science and physics is astounding. It's a complete waste of time replying to him. All he does here make lame attempts to debunk conspiracy factualists.
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This Ropo character is a mindless vassal. He cannot believe his own eyes. His total ignorance of science and physics is astounding. It's a complete waste of time replying to him. All he does here make lame attempts to debunk conspiracy factualists.
Would you care explain what happened on 9/11 and provide evidence to back up those claims?
Saying "it doesn't look right" wont be accepted as an explanation or evidence.
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Would you care explain what happened on 9/11 and provide evidence to back up those claims?
Saying "it doesn't look right" wont be accepted as an explanation or evidence.
There is plenty of evidence, do your own research. People like you will never consider the evidence anyway because your mind is already made up.
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answers to what?
Your unfounded allegations and ludicrous opinions of what you think happened.
Post some evidence of what you believe happened and we can discuss it.
The absence of evidence isn't actually evidence you know?
Some answers to who was behind the attacks & why.?
Yes we have the 'official' version.
Why then are so many pieces of information about the attacks No allowed to be in the public domain
- government orders -
The plane hitting the pentagon footage could easily be slowed to show it is a plane & not a rocket as some
are saying.
No weird & wonderful conspiracy theory from me,
Though I do like to question when I'm unsure - Perhaps Becuase of the many untruths/ fraud videos
Purporting to show the government were in on the act.
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“Moreover, as America becomes an increasingly multi-cultural society, it may find it more difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues, except in the circumstance of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat.”[1]
Said by someone who's originally from Poland but currently living in Amerigibmedats and thus relevant to this discussion.
[1] "The Grand Mahjong Board" (p. 211)
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There is plenty of evidence, do your own research. People like you will never consider the evidence anyway because your mind is already made up.
No, thats a typical truther response, you tell me what happened and I will view your evidence.
Now, try again.
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Some answers to who was behind the attacks & why.?
Yes we have the 'official' version.
Why then are so many pieces of information about the attacks No allowed to be in the public domain
- government orders -
The plane hitting the pentagon footage could easily be slowed to show it is a plane & not a rocket as some
are saying.
No weird & wonderful conspiracy theory from me,
Though I do like to question when I'm unsure - Perhaps Becuase of the many untruths/ fraud videos
Purporting to show the government were in on the act.
so why dont you slow it down and show me then?
I cant understand why, when you have absolutely nothing to go on still dont believe the official story.
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so the townsfolk can recognise a decoy plane?
Tell me, what does a decoy plane look like?
It could look like any plane moron - depending on the scenario. In the case of the Pentagon, it could have resembled the airliner that supposedly flew into the Pentagon.
"A decoy is usually a person, device, or event meant as a distraction, to conceal what an individual or a group might be looking for. Decoys have been used for centuries most notably in game hunting, but also in wartime and in the committing or resolving of crimes."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decoy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decoy)
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As long you morons can't prove shit, it make no fucking difference what you said, because you are just another moron with blind faith. You are child, not able to use your so called "brains" to figure out even simplest things, like impossibility to explode tons of explosive without even smashing the windows ;D
Again the pot calling the kettle black. You see, it is you who have blind faith for some reason in the official story. You can't even trust your own eyes after you clearly see a video of the Pentagon and no plane is visible prior to impact.
I think it is becoming clear that you don't even have brains to help you think or figure things out. You are a moron of epic proportions. Or perhaps you are getting paid but I figure any money spent on you is a waste since you cannot really form coherent sentences or arguments. Your sponsors would be better off impaling you and investing in someone else less moronic.
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I have to ask even I know already your answer: Why no one have seen this ""decoy plane" after it fly over the pentagon at the height of few hundred feet's? It fly over the fucking town, and no one has seen it? When passenger jet fly just over the rooftops it is impossible to miss, because it makes sound louder than 150 decibel. So it fly over the pentagon and vanish in the thin air? Typical foil hat claim with no sense at all.. ;D
There was a mystery (decoy) plane in the sky over the White House / Pentagon after the explosion.
(http://www.reformation.org/en-white-house-pentagon.jpg)
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No, thats a typical truther response, you tell me what happened and I will view your evidence.
No, it's a response from someone that doesn't have time to waste on a anti-conspiracy troll like you.
"Truther" is a derogatory term. That proves you are a troll.
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So you are just so fucking stupid that you don't see the difference? Well, that explains a lot of your behavior. You are full of shit and you prove it by yourself, because you don't have any evidence to prove any of those claims you present above.
1. WTC7 was imploded just like the other ones = no it didn't. Just prove that there were even one explosion, I dare you, you fucking moron.
2. Jet fuel does not melt steel. = no it doesn't and no one but foil hats has ever claimed it does. But what it does, it start to fire which heat up the steel, and when steel is hot, it loses it's structural strength. This is just a handbook physics, you can look it up anywhere. This reaction starts at the 200°C and at the 800°C 70% of the strength has gone. There was no melted steel, there is no evidence what so ever about the melted steel, it is all some foil hat nonsense.
3. What government would pay money to the Finnish blockhead for calling foil hats to morons what they are? How fucking stupid you have to be just to invent something so stupid to claim? You are 1" away from the permanent placement in some mental institute, because your stupidity is impossible without serious mental handicap.
And this is why I gave up arguing with this retarded inbreed in the 9/11 thread, who now claims to be from Finnland, lol. So now we got a retarded moron from Europe arguing with us about the fallacies of our conspiracies, people who live in the USA and know the capabilities and distances that our government will go in order to sink the country in war . Ropo the retard read about the Gulf of Tonkin incident and the Vietnam war, and how many Americans died in that war base on a lie, same thing with the war in the middle east against Islamic terrorist. Back in the 60's, the USA was in war against the communist, today the country is at war against the radical Islamic terrorist, and Americans keep dying in foreign lands, and that's a fact.
One thing stands and it's what people need to understand and come to accept the reality and gravity of 9/11, if you have an IQ higher than a 12th grader, is that is impossible to explain with the laws of physics how in the world could 15 floors of the top building of our highest skyscraper brought down in straight line to it's base the rest of the 95 floors in a stagering 12 f@#$ing seconds, pulverizing concrete and lunching steel been 600 yard to the sides, in which once the building started exploding, it did not stop until the very end, and all this started because of fuel and office fire.
Watch the video posted below and look where the plane hit, all the way up in the 90-95 floor, and the the tiny part part that the top 15 floors represented compare to the rest of the building, and realize that you(ropo the retarded inbreed and anybody who agrees with him, for that matter) and the rest of the retarded people in the government who only care about their career and paycheck, who told us, millions of Americans, somehow due to the plane hitting the building that high and the fuel and office fire, it debilitated the top part of the building to the point that it started imploding straight down on it's own footprint, and some how grew in kinetic strength as it went down, that the official conspiracy theory report in it's self makes no f@#$ing sense what so ever. It has been literally impossible to replicate by anybody, including government agencies, universities, engineers or architects for that matter, and that the American people has stop drinking the cool-aid of America Fuck yeah!!! propaganda bullshit.
Another thing about the explosions, we see in the videos live testimony of people hearing explosion, from civilian and firefighters all the way through out the building. How the fuck could people hear explosions all way down in the main lobby if the fire was all the way in the top in the 95 floors. Have people not stop to think about it for a second? Can't you see the large distance from the bottom floors all the way up to the 95 floor? But hey this live testimony on the videos shown below is not proof enough, ropo the retard inbreed needs an official report from the goverment confirming this. What a looser.
The proof below, please ban this government shill(ropo):
&feature=youtu.be
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It could look like any plane moron - depending on the scenario. In the case of the Pentagon, it could have resembled the airliner that supposedly flew into the Pentagon.
"A decoy is usually a person, device, or event meant as a distraction, to conceal what an individual or a group might be looking for. Decoys have been used for centuries most notably in game hunting, but also in wartime and in the committing or resolving of crimes."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decoy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decoy)
That's exactly my point numbnuts, its claimed it was a decoy plane based on zero evidence again.
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No, it's a response from someone that doesn't have time to waste on a anti-conspiracy troll like you.
"Truther" is a derogatory term. That proves you are a troll.
Time to waste?
Just tell me what you think happened, it will take you 30 seconds at best, Im sure you have it written down somewhere, just post it here.
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That's exactly my point numbnuts, its claimed it was a decoy plane based on zero evidence again.
Zero evidence? There is plenty of evidence that there was a plane that flew over the Pentagon. There is zero evidence that a plane hit the Pentagon. Their own video surveillance proves this.
1. Witnesses saw a plane fly over them North of the Citgo gas station.
2. Poles were downed South of the Citgo gas station. How is this possible? Can this plane be in two locations at the same time?
3. A Pentagon impact video was released and an airliner is not visible in the video.
4. The lawn was not disturbed in the surrounding area of the impact location. Plane Debris was not seen in a video directly after the impact. Eventually photos were released showing smaller pieces that look like parts of a plane. These were most likely staged / planted because they were not visible in some of the videos directly after the impact.
5. A mystery plane was seen in the skies over the White House / Pentagon after the impact.
6. A US Major General studied impact photos and determined that it could not have been made by an airliner.
7. The Taxi driver who's car was supposedly struck by a light pole downed by the airliner said on video that it was a staged event.
(http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/pics/closest-north-path-still-misses-poles.jpg)
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Zero evidence? There is plenty of evidence that there was a plane that flew over the Pentagon. There is zero evidence that a plane hit the Pentagon. Their own video surveillance proves this.
1. Witnesses saw a plane fly over them North of the Citgo gas station.
2. Poles were downed South of the Citgo gas station. How is this possible? Can this plane be in two locations at the same time?
3. A Pentagon impact video was released and an airliner is not visible in the video.
4. The lawn was not disturbed in the surrounding area of the impact location. Plane Debris was not seen in a video directly after the impact. Eventually photos were released showing smaller pieces that look like parts of a plane. These were most likely staged / planted because they were not visible in some of the videos directly after the impact.
5. A mystery plane was seen in the skies over the White House / Pentagon after the impact.
6. A US Major General studied impact photos and determined that it could not have been made by an airliner.
7. The Taxi driver who's car was supposedly struck by a light pole downed by the airliner said on video that it was a staged event.
(http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/pics/closest-north-path-still-misses-poles.jpg)
and thats your evidence?????
where are your witness statements?
Poles where down because they were hit by something
so the film didnt pick up a plane, did it pick up a missile?
the lawn wasnt disturbed because the plane didnt hit the lawn, maybe?
"Most likely" staged????
who saw the mystery plane?
who is the major general?
a taxi driver said????
whats the name of the taxi driver and what are his credentials and experience in setting up staged plane crashes?
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and thats your evidence?????
Seek help.
where are your witness statements?
Watch the video and see the interviews with various witnesses:
Poles where down because they were hit by something
Poles can be brought down in many different ways, with explosions, cutting them, pulling them down etc.
so the film didnt pick up a plane, did it pick up a missile?
So you agree the video does not indicate a plane? Wow. That is all that is needed. Determining what the visible object was should then be up to a new investigation. A missile, a drone? Obviously there is an object visible in the video.
the lawn wasnt disturbed because the plane didnt hit the lawn, maybe?
A large airliner would have caused damage to the lawn if it was flying that low above the ground - based on the height of the impact:
(http://cdn.phillymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/AP-lewis-katz-plane-crash-AP-Boston-Globe-David-L-Ryan-940x540.jpg)
"Most likely" staged????
Staged.
who saw the mystery plane?
It was reported on CNN, multiple people. There is even a video of it flying in the sky. Look at the video below - Anderson Cooper reported on it. You fucking moron!
who is the major general?
Albert Stubblebine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Stubblebine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Stubblebine)
a taxi driver said????
whats the name of the taxi driver and what are his credentials and experience in setting up staged plane crashes?
Lloyde England - his wife worked for the FBI.
His experience in setting up plane crashes is irrelevant. You're playing dumb or are just plain moronic if you think anyone is claiming he was the mastermind in this whole scam. LMAO! What a fucking idiot you are!
(https://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/lloyd-england-and-cab1.jpg)
(https://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/lloyde-england-and-long-pole1.jpg)
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Mystery plane was a doomsday plane, pretty obvious.
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so why dont you slow it down and show me then?
I cant understand why, when you have absolutely nothing to go on still dont believe the official story.
Why don't I slow it down.. Simply Becuase I don't know how to.
Perhaps an expert like yourself could do it & show it is a plane.
I can't understand why you like to be so awkward & argumentative.
If you chose to believe the official government account 100%
Good for you, why do you have so much angst against those that either
Choose not too or question it.
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Seek help.
Watch the video and see the interviews with various witnesses:
Poles can be brought down in many different ways, with explosions, cutting them, pulling them down etc.
So you agree the video does not indicate a plane? Wow. That is all that is needed. Determining what the visible object was should then be up to a new investigation. A missile, a drone? Obviously there is an object visible in the video.
A large airliner would have caused damage to the lawn if it was flying that low above the ground - based on the height of the impact:
(http://cdn.phillymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/AP-lewis-katz-plane-crash-AP-Boston-Globe-David-L-Ryan-940x540.jpg)
Staged.
It was reported on CNN, multiple people. There is even a video of it flying in the sky. Look at the video below - Anderson Cooper reported on it. You fucking moron!
Albert Stubblebine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Stubblebine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Stubblebine)
Lloyde England - his wife worked for the FBI.
His experience in setting up plane crashes is irrelevant. You're playing dumb or are just plain moronic if you think anyone is claiming he was the mastermind in this whole scam. LMAO! What a fucking idiot you are!
(https://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/lloyd-england-and-cab1.jpg)
(https://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/lloyde-england-and-long-pole1.jpg)
Sadly I think you are wasting your time with him,
He clearly has his mind set ( Good For Him) & cannot handle
Anyone who doesn't believe or even questions the official government account.
Governments want everyone to believe 100% without questioning every thing
They say & do, as we all so clearly know they would never lie, harm or mislead People.
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Why don't I slow it down.. Simply Becuase I don't know how to.
Perhaps an expert like yourself could do it & show it is a plane.
I can't understand why you like to be so awkward & argumentative.
If you chose to believe the official government account 100%
Good for you, why do you have so much angst against those that either
Choose not too or question it.
I couldnt give a single fuck either way mate, it doesnt matter to me if Trump set it all up.
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I couldnt give a single fuck either way mate, it doesnt matter to me if Trump set it all up.
Surpringly - That is exactly who I feel about it.
Though it doesn't stop me asking questions or for explanations.
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The proof below, please ban this government shill(ropo):
&feature=youtu.be
excellent clips. thanks for sharing mate.
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Okay, if a plane did hit the Pentagon, which it didn't...Did the wings, engines, and tail magically fold up and follow the plane into that nice round hole in the building? They would have sheered off on impact. The Pentagon was hit by a missile that was capable of penetrating the rings of the Pentagon. It's obvious to anyone with a brain. The fuselage of the planes would not be capable of penetrating to the inner rings of the Pentagon. Let's see... 3 steel framed buildings all fell at free fall speed into their own footprints, which not one steel framed building has ever done so in the history of history, and a 747 had its wings, engines, and tail all fold up and follow it into a nice round hole in the Pentagon. Hell of a day.... The Pentagon likely has the most surveillance of any building on earth, and we get one shitty little camera tape from that day. How convenient..anybody that believes the official story of that day is just simply blind.
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Okay, if a plane did hit the Pentagon, which it didn't...Did the wings, engines, and tail magically fold up and follow the plane into that nice round hole in the building? They would have sheered off on impact. The Pentagon was hit by a missile that was capable of penetrating the rings of the Pentagon. It's obvious to anyone with a brain. The fuselage of the planes would not be capable of penetrating to the inner rings of the Pentagon. Let's see... 3 steel framed buildings all fell at free fall speed into their own footprints, which not one steel framed building has ever done so in the history of history, and a 747 had its wings, engines, and tail all fold up and follow it into a nice round hole in the Pentagon. Hell of a day.... The Pentagon likely has the most surveillance of any building on earth, and we get one shitty little camera tape from that day. How convenient..anybody that believes the official story of that day is just simply blind.
Yep, good post. This is exactly what the Major General said. No way did the plane footprint match the initial small hole in the Pentagon. Of course later part of the wall collapsed and I am sure many people think that was the size of the impact.
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Okay, if a plane did hit the Pentagon, which it didn't...Did the wings, engines, and tail magically fold up and follow the plane into that nice round hole in the building? They would have sheered off on impact. The Pentagon was hit by a missile that was capable of penetrating the rings of the Pentagon. It's obvious to anyone with a brain. The fuselage of the planes would not be capable of penetrating to the inner rings of the Pentagon. Let's see... 3 steel framed buildings all fell at free fall speed into their own footprints, which not one steel framed building has ever done so in the history of history, and a 747 had its wings, engines, and tail all fold up and follow it into a nice round hole in the Pentagon. Hell of a day.... The Pentagon likely has the most surveillance of any building on earth, and we get one shitty little camera tape from that day. How convenient..anybody that believes the official story of that day is just simply blind.
Post links to the witnesses that saw a missle flying overhead before it hit the pentagon.
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I'm pretty sure by now that anyone that might the plot is probably dead or in gitmo. Unless someone can hookup a car battery to the balls of Rumsfeld or Cheney you'll never know the truth.
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excellent clips. thanks for sharing mate.
Make sure you share them.
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9/11 truth poses ‘existential threat’ to Israel: Analyst
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/04/24/462359/911-Glenn-Israel-Saudi-Sanders-Trump/ (http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/04/24/462359/911-Glenn-Israel-Saudi-Sanders-Trump/)
The recent media frenzy over Saudi Arabia’s possible role in the September 11, 2001 attacks is aimed at distracting people from much deeper involvement of Israel as the truth would endanger the Tel Aviv regime’s existence, an analyst in Idaho says...
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9/11 truth poses ‘existential threat’ to Israel: Analyst
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/04/24/462359/911-Glenn-Israel-Saudi-Sanders-Trump/ (http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/04/24/462359/911-Glenn-Israel-Saudi-Sanders-Trump/)
The recent media frenzy over Saudi Arabia’s possible role in the September 11, 2001 attacks is aimed at distracting people from much deeper involvement of Israel as the truth would endanger the Tel Aviv regime’s existence, an analyst in Idaho says...
No doubt.
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Post links to the witnesses that saw a missle flying overhead before it hit the pentagon.
???
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Seek help.
Watch the video and see the interviews with various witnesses:
Poles can be brought down in many different ways, with explosions, cutting them, pulling them down etc.
So you agree the video does not indicate a plane? Wow. That is all that is needed. Determining what the visible object was should then be up to a new investigation. A missile, a drone? Obviously there is an object visible in the video.
Video proof that what crash in the pentagon was not a commercial airline full of passengers.
A large airliner would have caused damage to the lawn if it was flying that low above the ground - based on the height of the impact:
(http://cdn.phillymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/AP-lewis-katz-plane-crash-AP-Boston-Globe-David-L-Ryan-940x540.jpg)
Staged.
It was reported on CNN, multiple people. There is even a video of it flying in the sky. Look at the video below - Anderson Cooper reported on it. You fucking moron!
Albert Stubblebine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Stubblebine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Stubblebine)
Lloyde England - his wife worked for the FBI.
His experience in setting up plane crashes is irrelevant. You're playing dumb or are just plain moronic if you think anyone is claiming he was the mastermind in this whole scam. LMAO! What a fucking idiot you are!
(https://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/lloyd-england-and-cab1.jpg)
(https://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/lloyde-england-and-long-pole1.jpg)
Proof below that what crash in the pentagon was not a comercial airplane, go foward until 47:00 minute and check the crash:
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There's a video of Rumsfeld where he fucked up on live TV and said "the missile that hit the Pentagon, I mean plane". Many others as well. Search for them yourself, and educate yourself. I've already done so.. Answer me this...How did the wings, engines, and tail magically fold up and disappear inside that nice round hole? Look at the hole, what could penetrate like that? A cruise missile, or something similar.. Why did the FBI immediately confiscate footage from the Citgo station and all other surveillance cameras within sight of the Pentagon? I suppose you think that one video is the only video camera at the Pentagon as well.. The most protected building on US soil.. Give me a break... It's blatantly obvious the government is covering up what happened... Research it yourself, I did, and anyone with a logical mind can see what happened that day..
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There's a video of Rumsfeld where he fucked up on live TV and said "the missile that hit the Pentagon, I mean plane". Many others as well. Search for them yourself, and educate yourself. I've already done so.. Answer me this...How did the wings, engines, and tail magically fold up and disappear inside that nice round hole? Look at the hole, what could penetrate like that? A cruise missile, or something similar.. Why did the FBI immediately confiscate footage from the Citgo station and all other surveillance cameras within sight of the Pentagon? I suppose you think that one video is the only video camera at the Pentagon as well.. The most protected building on US soil.. Give me a break... It's blatantly obvious the government is covering up what happened... Research it yourself, I did, and anyone with a logical mind can see what happened that day..
did you research it for yourself?
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So the evidence is the following:
1) Rumsfeld's slip of the tongue on TV
2) A cab driver confessed on YouTube
3) No trail on the grass.
4) A slowed down video with 1 second delay between frames shows no airplane
leading us to the conclusion that a missile could have hit the Pentagon therefore it hit the Pentagon.
Solid stuff.
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did you research it for yourself?
No I didn't research it, rather I just blindly pulled this shit out of a hat... Yes I researched it.. I've read several books among other things, and listed the books in this thread for anyone that wants to read them.. If not, I really don't care... There is overwhelming evidence that our own government had a role in the attacks as a pretense for war.. To the brainiac that listed off 4 things and said "that's it?" You don't even deserve a response.. Grow up.. One look at the nice hole in the pentagon clearly shows it was a penetrating missile that hit it.. I've asked where are the wings, engines, and tail? Did they fold up and follow the plane right into that nice neat hole? Where's the damage on the lawn from the engines that surely would have hit the ground first before the plane struck? Where's all the other camera footage, or do you believe there was only one camera on that day at the most secure building in the US? Why was this plane not shot down by the defense system at the pentagon? Or do you believe the most secure building on US soil does not have a weapons system? Why does nearly every single pilot interviewed say that the maneuvers the plane made and to fly that low was physically impossible? Even for a veteran pilot.. Yet a very inexperienced pilot who couldn't pass flight school was able to maneuver a very large jet with absolute precision that day.
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No I didn't research it, rather I just blindly pulled this shit out of a hat... Yes I researched it.. I've read several books among other things, and listed the books in this thread for anyone that wants to read them.. If not, I really don't care... There is overwhelming evidence that our own government had a role in the attacks as a pretense for war.. To the brainiac that listed off 4 things and said "that's it?" You don't even deserve a response.. Grow up.. One look at the nice hole in the pentagon clearly shows it was a penetrating missile that hit it.. I've asked where are the wings, engines, and tail? Did they fold up and follow the plane right into that nice neat hole? Where's the damage on the lawn from the engines that surely would have hit the ground first before the plane struck? Where's all the other camera footage, or do you believe there was only one camera on that day at the most secure building in the US? Why was this plane not shot down by the defense system at the pentagon? Or do you believe the most secure building on US soil does not have a weapons system? Why does nearly every single pilot interviewed say that the maneuvers the plane made and to fly that low was physically impossible? Even for a veteran pilot.. Yet a very inexperienced pilot who couldn't pass flight school was able to maneuver a very large jet with absolute precision that day.
;D
(http://pop.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/06/54cfc894a4b55_-_911-flight77-debris.jpg)
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;D
(http://pop.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/06/54cfc894a4b55_-_911-flight77-debris.jpg)
looks like North Korean missile fuselage.
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looks like North Korean missile fuselage.
heeeyyyy!!!! 😠
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Yeah, can't post proof so I should research it for myself.
Interesting ::)
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Pretty sure FBI has stated that no frame exists of any video to show a/the plane, meaning no image period (with a possible exception of the object seen at the turn of the 1:25-1:26 mark on the video earlier in thread).
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(http://pop.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/06/54cfc894a4b55_-_911-flight77-debris.jpg)
It was planted there. The Pentagon was hit by a missile, damnit!
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Yeah, can't post proof so I should research it for myself.
Interesting ::)
"Do your research" is the classic response when they have no idea.
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Was it a controlled demolition? Missles disguised as airplanes? How come all Jews that worked in the WTC happened to not be there that day?
Lots of questions and lots of coincidences indeed.
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lol exactly, why the hell would your own government stage a false flag event to pursue war... it has never happened in history before, sounds like some uneducated hippy crap :D
Yes it has.
I'll research it but I believe there was a passenger ship that sailed into very hostile german territory during ww2 and got blown up people claiming it was false flag to invade germany or something like that
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Thing with a missile, is where would it be launched from?
And if a missile takes the place of a plane, then it raises questions about Flight 77. Only other way is to say the flight never existed. But that would make a massive weak spot for anyone to plan something that way, for a long list of reasons, so it doesn't make sense.
Another claim is that explosives had been rigged to release upon the ring walling material being broken. From what I've seen, that's stayed consistent with the evidence.
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Yes it has.
I'll research it but I believe there was a passenger ship that sailed into very hostile german territory during ww2 and got blown up people claiming it was false flag to invade germany or something like that
Don't forget Gulf of Tonkin incident and the Vietnam war and ...
The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) was a neoconservative think tank based in Washington, D.C. that focused on United States foreign policy. It was established as a non-profit educational organization in 1997, and founded by William Kristol and Robert Kagan. The PNAC's stated goal was "to promote American global leadership." The organization stated that "American leadership is good both for America and for the world," and sought to build support for "a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity."
Of the twenty-five people who signed the PNAC's founding statement of principles, ten went on to serve in the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush, including Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz. Observers such as Irwin Stelzer and Dave Grondin have suggested that the PNAC played a key role in shaping the foreign policy of the Bush Administration, particularly in building support for the Iraq War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
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“Moreover, as America becomes an increasingly multi-cultural society, it may find it more difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues, except in the circumstance of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat.”[1]
Said by someone who's originally from Poland but currently living in Amerigibmedats and thus relevant to this discussion.
[1] "The Grand Mahjong Board" (p. 211)
Good quote.
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Ropo, over time, you've repeatedly said that "no explosions" occurred.
Does that mean you believe that the escaped fuel (all of it) survived the trip down the elevator shafts without being ignited?
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There's a video of Rumsfeld where he fucked up on live TV and said "the missile that hit the Pentagon, I mean plane". Many others as well. Search for them yourself, and educate yourself. I've already done so.. Answer me this...How did the wings, engines, and tail magically fold up and disappear inside that nice round hole? Look at the hole, what could penetrate like that? A cruise missile, or something similar.. Why did the FBI immediately confiscate footage from the Citgo station and all other surveillance cameras within sight of the Pentagon? I suppose you think that one video is the only video camera at the Pentagon as well.. The most protected building on US soil.. Give me a break... It's blatantly obvious the government is covering up what happened... Research it yourself, I did, and anyone with a logical mind can see what happened that day..
I hadn't heard that one. I know he gave an interview with Parade Magazine in which he appeared to refer to a missile, and that Parade then claimed it was a "transcript error", but if you look at his words (if accurate), it makes more sense that he meant to say the planes that morning were used as missiles.
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Ropo, over time, you've repeatedly said that "no explosions" occurred.
Does that mean you believe that the escaped fuel (all of it) survived the trip down the elevator shafts without being ignited?
Remember he's not an American, so what the fuck would he know about our country.
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9/11 Experiments The Force Behind
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Always surprising how many lawyers we have.
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Remember he's not an American, so what the fuck would he know about our country.
;D I don't mind Ropo. He's intelligent and he'll take the time to at least attempt to research, so that sets him apart from many people who won't even bother. Nothing's worse than someone who wants to have it all: a strong opinion despite being blissfully clueless.
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Don't forget Gulf of Tonkin incident and the Vietnam war and ...
The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) was a neoconservative think tank based in Washington, D.C. that focused on United States foreign policy. It was established as a non-profit educational organization in 1997, and founded by William Kristol and Robert Kagan. The PNAC's stated goal was "to promote American global leadership." The organization stated that "American leadership is good both for America and for the world," and sought to build support for "a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity."
Of the twenty-five people who signed the PNAC's founding statement of principles, ten went on to serve in the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush, including Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz. Observers such as Irwin Stelzer and Dave Grondin have suggested that the PNAC played a key role in shaping the foreign policy of the Bush Administration, particularly in building support for the Iraq War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
We in the UK just made up a story about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
Much easier than flying planes into buildings and killing thousands of people.
Shame the Americans didnt think of something that simple.
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We in the UK just made up a story about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
Much easier than flying planes into buildings and killing thousands of people.
Shame the Americans didnt think of something that simple.
Uk population: 65 million; USA population: 350 million.
You just can't compare the level of activity and involvement of your military to ours. The United States destroyed Afghanistan and took over Iraq, help destroy Libya, Syria, and soon Iran. Thanks to a great awakening and the internet did the population stop the intervention with troops in Libya and Syria.
All this was plan since day one the Bush administration took over in 2001, General Clark of the United States Army worn us of the despicable plans of our goverment of perpetual war in the middle east.
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Uk population: 65 million; USA population: 350 million.
You just can't compare the level of activity and involvement of your military to ours. The United States destroyed Afghanistan and took over Iraq, help destroy Libya, Syria, and soon Iran. Thanks to a great awakening and the internet did the population stop the intervention with troops in Libya and Syria.
All this was plan since day one the Bush administration took over in 2001, General Clark of the United States Army worn us of the despicable plans of our goverment of perpetual war in the middle east.
Your patriotism and pride shines through your every word.
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We in the UK just made up a story about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
Much easier than flying planes into buildings and killing thousands of people.
Shame the Americans didnt think of something that simple.
They needed the support. After the failed attempt by Bush Sr, congress would have voted it down. After 9/11 they had a near perfect vote to go to war, they had people lining up down the street at all recruitment centers to join the military. It was the perfect storm. They were able to ask congress for a blank check to stop those there terrorists and got it. Wouldn't have happened otherwise.
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They needed the support. After the failed attempt by Bush Sr, congress would have voted it down. After 9/11 they had a near perfect vote to go to war, they had people lining up down the street at all recruitment centers to join the military. It was the perfect storm. They were able to ask congress for a blank check to stop those there terrorists and got it. Wouldn't have happened otherwise.
the UK doesnt care about public support, most people didnt want to go, we went anyway.
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IMO, it can't be separated from the fact that we'd made the biggest swich in communication, ever, probably since the development of language itself.
We went from land-lines and snail-mail, to pure digital, all within just a couple of years leading up to it. For the first time, all random communication became connected and centralized in a way that can be continuously searched and analyzed without any physical effort or risk of bad warrants. Try that with snail-mail and tapping wires.
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IMO, it can't be separated from the fact that we'd made the biggest swich in communication, ever, probably since the development of language itself.
We went from land-lines and snail-mail to pure digital, all within just a couple of years leading up to it. For the first time, all random communication became connected and centralized in a way that can be continuously searched and analyzed without any physical effort or risk of bad warrants. Try that with snail-mail and tapping wires.
Literally with a flick of a switch they (hackers, gov etc...) can take away all your income, communication etc... People think their guns will protect them. Ha, good luck.
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Literally with a flick of a switch they (hackers, gov etc...) can take away all your income, communication etc... People think their guns will protect them. Ha, good luck.
Guns can hold things off, though. Anything to buy time in hopes people will come to their senses, can't be bad.
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Guns can hold things off, though. Anything to buy time in hopes people will come to their senses, can't be bad.
False sense of security. If the government were truly afraid of people and their guns they would have banned them a long time ago. They want people to feel they have a fighting chance. Most gun owners think the gov can never overrun this country as long as they have their pistol and that's what they want to them to believe.
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Your patriotism and pride shines through your every word.
You must be confused. I love my country, I did serve and ready to serve and protect this great country of ours and it's constitution. What I will not do is to continue to support our corrupted goverment, and those psychopaths in Washington D.C. for having us paying taxes so they can enrich themselves through the military industrial complex while destroying countries and having our people die in foreign lands.
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Link to missle witnesses?
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Really - Please try harder. You are showing yourself up.
Clearly you are unable to offer clear answers.
Just moronic non definitive posts, trying to insult people.
Very Clever.. ::) Not.
Instead of that, why don't you present the evidence about the explosion which start the collapse of the WTC towers? There is hours of video material, just take your pick..
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This Ropo character is a mindless vassal. He cannot believe his own eyes. His total ignorance of science and physics is astounding. It's a complete waste of time replying to him. All he does here make lame attempts to debunk conspiracy factualists.
And by that ignorance I can ask only questions which you can't answer, so you have to try to throw some crap on me? Why don't you even try to point out faults of the facts I have present? Another thing what never happen, because the ultimate fact is that you can't. Only fucking thing you can do is repeat the foil hat nonsense, because you don't have any brains at all. For example, you haven't have at any point even try to correct my "mistakes" or faulty claims...can you explain why? Wouldn't that be best possible way to prove me wrong, but instead of that, you start throwing crap? Do you understand how evident it is that you aren't able to challenge my facts, because your mentors, the foil hat idiots haven't prepare you for this? You can't challenge my facts or claims because you don't have the brains to do so, and this you have proved by yourself, over and over again. And all what I have done is pointing out how the foil hats has lie to you, and this is the gratitude I get? ;D
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There is plenty of evidence, do your own research. People like you will never consider the evidence anyway because your mind is already made up.
Yes, like those explosions which you talk, but never have able to prove. If there is plenty of evidence, why can't you name even one? Because you are just a parrot, repeating words you hear with no brain functions at all.
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Some answers to who was behind the attacks & why.?
Yes we have the 'official' version.
Why then are so many pieces of information about the attacks No allowed to be in the public domain
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The plane hitting the pentagon footage could easily be slowed to show it is a plane & not a rocket as some
are saying.
No weird & wonderful conspiracy theory from me,
Though I do like to question when I'm unsure - Perhaps Becuase of the many untruths/ fraud videos
Purporting to show the government were in on the act.
Please stop with that nonsense: To claiming there was conspiracy, you first have to prove it, and only way you can do it is by presenting the evidence about the explosions, which start whole happening, because without proving those, there is no conspiracy. No other that the original plot including Osama & The Ragheads.
And why aren't you able to point out what kind of missile it was? I have given you the link at the page where you can find all of the missiles what mankind has made, but there isn't really any with the dimensions of Boeing 757. Or are you saying that as an eyewitness you aren't able to see the difference between Boeing 757 and 12 feet long cruise missile? And while we know that the fireball which was filmed at the Pentagon means more than 10 tons of kerosene, what kind of missile would be able to carry that load? 10 tons of kerosene means 10 cubic meter of space, so the kerosene tank would be twice as big than missile itself..I mean pointing holes from your foil hat theory isn't very hard thing to do..Missing explosion from the pentagon crash, fallen light poles, eyewitnesses, every bit of proven facts, if we leave all that out of the story, will it be the truth? Or just denying truth??
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It could look like any plane moron - depending on the scenario. In the case of the Pentagon, it could have resembled the airliner that supposedly flew into the Pentagon.
"A decoy is usually a person, device, or event meant as a distraction, to conceal what an individual or a group might be looking for. Decoys have been used for centuries most notably in game hunting, but also in wartime and in the committing or resolving of crimes."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decoy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decoy)
You are still hanging with that moronic claim about the decoy plane, which was flying so low that it was smashing down a bunch of lamp post, and turn invisible at the moment it fly over pentagon, because there is not even one soul who has seen it AFTERWARDS?
DEAR MORONS, IF YOU NEED TO LLOK UP THINGS WHAT ARE IMPOSSIBLE OR FUCKING HARD TO HIDE, THE LIST START 1. EXPLOSIONS 2. AEROPLANES, FLYING AT THE LOW ALTITUDE...
Why, oh why these claims have to be as stupid as they are? Would it have something to do with the fact, that people who make these foil hat fairytales, are the bunch of lambs without no brains at all? No go stand at the front of the mirror, look yourself in the eyes and repeate: "Why do you see explosions where evidently isn't any". Repeat until your realize your stupidity ;D
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Again the pot calling the kettle black. You see, it is you who have blind faith for some reason in the official story. You can't even trust your own eyes after you clearly see a video of the Pentagon and no plane is visible prior to impact.
I think it is becoming clear that you don't even have brains to help you think or figure things out. You are a moron of epic proportions. Or perhaps you are getting paid but I figure any money spent on you is a waste since you cannot really form coherent sentences or arguments. Your sponsors would be better off impaling you and investing in someone else less moronic.
Only blind faith I have is for the proved facts, and I have never have said otherwise. Your problem is that official investigation has plenty of proved facts, and your foil hat theories are proved to be just crap. You have been proving that yourself, because what would be better way to shut up the infidels, than presenting undeniably facts to them? That you haven't even try, all what you link or say is rumors. lies and pure crap without anything to do with the reality.
I repeat:
Footprint of the WTC 1 or 2 was 62 x 62 yards, and middle of that space were massive core columns, which means that outer columns has to be as near as 25 yards from the windows. These columns were as we all know, quite massive, dimensions 35" x 12" with the wall thickness of 3.3/8". At the density of the typical steel, this kind of column has the mass of 1.2 metric tons per yard, so you can't blow it to smithereens by firecracker. Instead of that, you need loads of explosives per each column, so explain why there is no explosion what so ever to visible at any of the 9/11 videos? You see, if you can't find an answer to that, it is obvious that foil hats has lie to you. It is simple as that. I link the video which shows you what the real explosion would look like, and you have to admit that there is nothing even near that at any of the 9/11videos you have ever seen, so how this is possible? Can you explain that? You should be able to do it, because you are believing it happen, so what is the explanation, or why don't you haven't one? In this reality happen only things which are possible to happen, and there is no such thing that the invisible explosion with no pressure blast at all. Not with these laws of physics which are ruling this reality, and there isn't any other reality. And furthermore, every one of my facts are easy to confirm, because they all are based on things you can find from handbooks and such. There is no secrets, no any kind of mystique, just facts from the reality you are living in. Mostly things which anyone should learn in the first years in school. So what is the explanation? There wasn't any explosions. It really is as simple as that, and just as obvious, because in the reality no one has seen even one. At the best, bunch of people has told that they may heard something which was like an explosion, but in the reality, when there isn't any other evidence, it is clear that they have heard some loud noise, and misunderstood it.
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And this is why I gave up arguing with this retarded inbreed in the 9/11 thread, who now claims to be from Finnland, lol. So now we got a retarded moron from Europe arguing with us about the fallacies of our conspiracies, people who live in the USA and know the capabilities and distances that our government will go in order to sink the country in war . Ropo the retard read about the Gulf of Tonkin incident and the Vietnam war, and how many Americans died in that war base on a lie, same thing with the war in the middle east against Islamic terrorist. Back in the 60's, the USA was in war against the communist, today the country is at war against the radical Islamic terrorist, and Americans keep dying in foreign lands, and that's a fact.
One thing stands and it's what people need to understand and come to accept the reality and gravity of 9/11, if you have an IQ higher than a 12th grader, is that is impossible to explain with the laws of physics how in the world could 15 floors of the top building of our highest skyscraper brought down in straight line to it's base the rest of the 95 floors in a stagering 12 f@#$ing seconds, pulverizing concrete and lunching steel been 600 yard to the sides, in which once the building started exploding, it did not stop until the very end, and all this started because of fuel and office fire.
Watch the video posted below and look where the plane hit, all the way up in the 90-95 floor, and the the tiny part part that the top 15 floors represented compare to the rest of the building, and realize that you(ropo the retarded inbreed and anybody who agrees with him, for that matter) and the rest of the retarded people in the government who only care about their career and paycheck, who told us, millions of Americans, somehow due to the plane hitting the building that high and the fuel and office fire, it debilitated the top part of the building to the point that it started imploding straight down on it's own footprint, and some how grew in kinetic strength as it went down, that the official conspiracy theory report in it's self makes no f@#$ing sense what so ever. It has been literally impossible to replicate by anybody, including government agencies, universities, engineers or architects for that matter, and that the American people has stop drinking the cool-aid of America Fuck yeah!!! propaganda bullshit.
Another thing about the explosions, we see in the videos live testimony of people hearing explosion, from civilian and firefighters all the way through out the building. How the fuck could people hear explosions all way down in the main lobby if the fire was all the way in the top in the 95 floors. Have people not stop to think about it for a second? Can't you see the large distance from the bottom floors all the way up to the 95 floor? But hey this live testimony on the videos shown below is not proof enough, ropo the retard inbreed needs an official report from the goverment confirming this. What a looser.
The proof below, please ban this government shill(ropo):
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So instead of proving that there were any explosions, you flood thread with that crap, which everyone has seen millions of times? In your own words, please explain loud an clear what is the difficulty to point out those explosion? Instead of that, you link a bunch of videos which proves, that there wasn't any kind of visible mark of any kind of explosion? Let see..
Just claims and opinions
&feature=youtu.be and these are the blast waves of the tons of explosives? Blinds are faintly moving? No flames, no blast wave, nothing comes out from the open windows? Tons of explosions going of, and there is not even a little puf of smoke coming out from the open windows? *
utter bullshit, but funny, because it has same explosion which I use as an sample, but they are just ignoring the blast wave which is evident in real explosion, and invisible in the imaginary one.
just utter bullshit
yet more utter bullshit.
Quite lame, because from the beginning of time to this day, no one has been able to show any of those explosions what you are so eager to talk about. It make no difference what you say, do you understand? You have to show the evidence, and those rumors and opinions aren't enough.
* Let see something which include the proved facts..
I use this as an example, because I know the case and the place. The PDF is in English, here is the main details: There was this construction work at the Espoo, Finland at the late summer of 2012. There was this excavation crew making third blasting of the day with the blasting field with 16 holes, all 24 feet deep. In the bottom of each hole was 2 kilos of explosives, then 23 feet of sand for filling the holes. To cover the blast they used first a layer of blast stones from the earlier blasts, and the pile of the rubber mats, made from the tires of the tractor. When this was detonated, this 32 kilos of explosive berried in to 23 feet of granite, under the layer of blast stones and mats, it sprayed rocks as far as 250 yards away from the blast. Tiny little excavation blast, and there were rocks flying, some of them size of the bowling ball. And when they are blasting hundred of kilos of explosives inside the WTC towers, there isn't even the puff of smoke, no smashed windows, absolutely no visible evidence which are connected to explosions by the laws of physics. What kind of moron you have to be to think it would be possible?
http://turvallisuustutkinta.fi/en/index/tutkintaselostukset/muutonnettomuudet/tutkintaselostuksetvuosittain/muutonnettomuudet2012/y2012-01onnettomuuslouhintatyomaallaespoossa3.7.2012.html (http://turvallisuustutkinta.fi/en/index/tutkintaselostukset/muutonnettomuudet/tutkintaselostuksetvuosittain/muutonnettomuudet2012/y2012-01onnettomuuslouhintatyomaallaespoossa3.7.2012.html)
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A lot of solid Getbig, "internet detective" work going into this thread. :)
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Yes, like those explosions which you talk, but never have able to prove. If there is plenty of evidence, why can't you name even one? Because you are just a parrot, repeating words you hear with no brain functions at all.
The firemen on the scene all heard explosions. ALL WTC buildings collapsed at free-fall speed. Your histrionics and semantics are absolutely ridiculous.
(http://loveforlife.com.au/files/911%208.jpg)
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this is a fantastic clip :o
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this is a fantastic clip :o
This clip did indeed, "Shock me to the core!" The music was very relaxing as well. :D
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this is a fantastic clip :o
Huh? WTC-7 didn't fall at 5:20 PM. It was early in the morning.
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So nobody saw any missles but a bunch of witnesses saw planes?
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So instead of proving that there were any explosions, you flood thread with that crap, which everyone has seen millions of times? In your own words, please explain loud an clear what is the difficulty to point out those explosion? Instead of that, you link a bunch of videos which proves, that there wasn't any kind of visible mark of any kind of explosion? Let see..
Just claims and opinions.
&feature=youtu.be and these are the blast waves of the tons of explosives? Blinds are faintly moving? No flames, no blast wave, nothing comes out from the open windows? Tons of explosions going of, and there is not even a little puf of smoke coming out from the open windows? *
utter bullshit, but funny, because it has same explosion which I use as an sample, but they are just ignoring the blast wave which is evident in real explosion, and invisible in the imaginary one.
just utter bullshit
yet more utter bullshit.
Quite lame, because from the beginning of time to this day, no one has been able to show any of those explosions what you are so eager to talk about. It make no difference what you say, do you understand? You have to show the evidence, and those rumors and opinions aren't enough.
* Let see something which include the proved facts..
I use this as an example, because I know the case and the place. The PDF is in English, here is the main details: There was this construction work at the Espoo, Finland at the late summer of 2012. There was this excavation crew making third blasting of the day with the blasting field with 16 holes, all 24 feet deep. In the bottom of each hole was 2 kilos of explosives, then 23 feet of sand for filling the holes. To cover the blast they used first a layer of blast stones from the earlier blasts, and the pile of the rubber mats, made from the tires of the tractor. When this was detonated, this 32 kilos of explosive berried in to 23 feet of granite, under the layer of blast stones and mats, it sprayed rocks as far as 250 yards away from the blast. Tiny little excavation blast, and there were rocks flying, some of them size of the bowling ball. And when they are blasting hundred of kilos of explosives inside the WTC towers, there isn't even the puff of smoke, no smashed windows, absolutely no visible evidence which are connected to explosions by the laws of physics. What kind of moron you have to be to think it would be possible?
http://turvallisuustutkinta.fi/en/index/tutkintaselostukset/muutonnettomuudet/tutkintaselostuksetvuosittain/muutonnettomuudet2012/y2012-01onnettomuuslouhintatyomaallaespoossa3.7.2012.html (http://turvallisuustutkinta.fi/en/index/tutkintaselostukset/muutonnettomuudet/tutkintaselostuksetvuosittain/muutonnettomuudet2012/y2012-01onnettomuuslouhintatyomaallaespoossa3.7.2012.html)
Just claims and opinions. HOW CAN THIS VIDEO BE CLAIMS AND OPINIONS, YOU RETARDED PIECE OF SHIT, DID YOU NOT WATCH THE ENTIRE VIDEO? IT SHOWS CLEARLY AS DAY WHERE THE PLANE HIT THE BUILDING AND THE TINY PART THAT THE TOP 15 FLOORS REPRESENTED VS THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
HOW THAT FUCK CAN 15 FLOORS CRUSH 90-95 FLOORS IN STRAIGHT LINE DOWN TO IT'S BASE, PULVERIZING CONCRETE AND LUNCHING STEEL BEENS 600 YARD TO THE SIDE IN A STAGGERING 12 FUCKING SECONDS? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE BASIC LAWS OF PHYSICS YOU FUCKING INBREED!!!!
HOW CAN 15000 POUNDS CRUSH 90000 POUNDS WITH NO ACCELARATION IN BETWEEN BECAUSE OF DEBILITATED STEEL ALL THE WAY UP IN THE 90-95 FLOOR? PROVIDE US WITH ANY VIDEO WITH A SITUATION SIMILAR IN WHICH A SKYSCRAPER ON FIRE OBLITERATE ITS SELF TO IT'S BASE? !!!!
In the videos of demolitions of huge buildings, do we see any huge explosion before the buildings collapse on it's self? If not sure what I'm talking about, go to youtube and watch demolitions of hotels in Vegas and come back and post them where it show us those huge explosions that you speak of before the building are brought down.
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So nobody saw any missles but a bunch of witnesses saw planes?
Actually, many witnesses on the bridge witnessed a 757 yawing back and forth, knocking down light poles, and then crashing into the side of the Pentagon. :-\
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All 3 buildings fell at near free fall speed. That defies physics, unless there was no resistance from the floors beneath.....why was there no resistance? Controlled demolition...period. Larry Silverstein said it himself.. He said they decided to "pull" WTC 7. That means controlled demo, which means the building was rigged for controlled demolition. Now stop and think, why would a building be rigged for controlled demo? That's not something that's just done when the building is built. All the dust seen is called pyroclastic flow from pulverized concrete due to a controlled demolition.. There are some incredibly naive and uneducated individuals in this thread. Do some reading... Architects, engineers, pilots, military generals all believe the official story is total shit. Our government did this.
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All 3 buildings fell at near free fall speed. That defies physics, unless there was no resistance from the floors beneath.....why was there no resistance? Controlled demolition...period. Larry Silverstein said it himself.. He said they decided to "pull" WTC 7. That means controlled demo, which means the building was rigged for controlled demolition. Now stop and think, why would a building be rigged for controlled demo? That's not something that's just done when the building is built. All the dust seen is called pyroclastic flow from pulverized concrete due to a controlled demolition.. There are some incredibly naive and uneducated individuals in this thread. Do some reading... Architects, engineers, pilots, military generals all believe the official story is total shit. Our government did this.
Since the Federal Reserve had vaults below ground under the towers maybe the buildings were always rigged as a fail safe in case of some elaborate attempt to break-in, loot or steak. Sort of a doomsday scenario. The Feds would rather collapse the buildings ensuring the billions in gold stored there would be safe from looters. Could be once the planes hit they knew the gold and money in the vaults were at risk so they "pulled it" and brought them down to protect it. Remember the Hierarchy in America is Federal Reserve --> military --> Government.
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Actually, many witnesses on the bridge witnessed a 757 yawing back and forth, knocking down light poles, and then crashing into the side of the Pentagon. :-\
But some people claim it was a missle. Where'd the missle come from? Where are the people that saw it? Was it invisible?
As for the buildings falling at free fall speed, that's just not true.
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But some people claim it was a missle. Where'd the missle come from? Where are the people that saw it? Was it invisible?
As for the buildings falling at free fall speed, that's just not true.
What part of the 12 seconds is not true?
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Since the Federal Reserve had vaults below ground under the towers maybe the buildings were always rigged as a fail safe in case of some elaborate attempt to break-in, loot or steak. Sort of a doomsday scenario. The Feds would rather collapse the buildings ensuring the billions in gold stored there would be safe from looters. Could be once the planes hit they knew the gold and money in the vaults were at risk so they "pulled it" and brought them down to protect it. Remember the Hierarchy in America is Federal Reserve --> military --> Government.
So they just have the building rigged with controlled demo explosives when it's built?
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Just claims and opinions. HOW CAN THIS VIDEO BE CLAIMS AND OPINIONS, YOU RETARDED PIECE OF SHIT, DID YOU NOT WATCH THE ENTIRE VIDEO? IT SHOWS CLEARLY AS DAY WHERE THE PLANE HIT THE BUILDING AND THE TINY PART THAT THE TOP 15 FLOORS REPRESENTED VS THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
HOW THAT FUCK CAN 15 FLOORS CRUSH 90-95 FLOORS IN STRAIGHT LINE DOWN TO IT'S BASE, PULVERIZING CONCRETE AND LUNCHING STEEL BEENS 600 YARD TO THE SIDE IN A STAGGERING 12 FUCKING SECONDS? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE BASIC LAWS OF PHYSICS YOU FUCKING INBREED!!!!
HOW CAN 15000 POUNDS CRUSH 90000 POUNDS WITH NO ACCELARATION IN BETWEEN BECAUSE OF DEBILITATED STEEL ALL THE WAY UP IN THE 90-95 FLOOR? PROVIDE US WITH ANY VIDEO WITH A SITUATION SIMILAR IN WHICH A SKYSCRAPER ON FIRE OBLITERATE ITS SELF TO IT'S BASE? !!!!
In the videos of demolitions of huge buildings, do we see any huge explosion before the buildings collapse on it's self? If not sure what I'm talking about, go to youtube and watch demolitions of hotels in Vegas and come back and post them where it show us those huge explosions that you speak of before the building are brought down.
I like this poster's style. Carry on!
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But some people claim it was a missle. Where'd the missle come from? Where are the people that saw it? Was it invisible?
As for the buildings falling at free fall speed, that's just not true.
They did fall at near free fall speed. That's a fact... All 3 buildings. So you think 3 steel framed buildings all collapsed on the same day when never before in history has even one collapsed? These buildings were designed to take multiple impacts from a 747 and stay standing. If a catastrophe occurred, they were built in sections, so only one section would fall, not the entire structure. Part of the structure would fall off or possibly crumble... The entire structure fell at free fall speed. The lower floors would have resisted and there would have been a lot of the standing yet. You see all the dust? That dust was from pulverized concrete. The concrete would not have turned to dust if it was just a building collapse without explosives used. You can see the demolition squibs from the floors below as the buildings collapse....and no it's not pressure from the floors above. Firefighters, building architects, engineers, all say demolitions brought the buildings down. All except the ones involved in the bullshit 9/11 commission report that everyone standing upright knows is a complete joke.
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The couple in this thread who champion the official story are plainly idiots or just trolling.
No rational, thinking, intelligent human cannot see the very obvious horseshit in what is told as "the story".
Three steel buildings collapsing perfectly onto themselves, one that wasn't even hit by a plane, just "falling debris, bro!" ... LOL
Nonsense.
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and saying "it doesnt seem to add up" whilst producing absolutely fuck all in the means of evidence is typical of tin foil hatters.
Arguing with people like you is like trying to convince this guy the world really isnt going to end.
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Your In England.
Have you heard about The Hillsborough Football Disaster ??
It's all over the News / Social Media & Has Been For Yrs.
Finally After 27yrs It has been Proven The Police / Establishment Lied
Consistently To Cover For Thenselves.
Lied & Vilified 96 Innocent People who Died & Their Families.
All Manner of accusations were made by The Police / Establishment / Press.
Judging By your Position / Post's YOU No Doubt Wholeheartedly Believed 'The Oficial Story'
Well You Know What The Family's & Supporters Didn't Believe it.
And They Fought Against People Like YOU To Get The Verdict & Justice
They so Rightly deserved.
Were They Also Tin Foil Hat Brigade.
No They Had The Backbone / Balls to Challenge What Was Officialy Said.
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So they just have the building rigged with controlled demo explosives when it's built?
No but after the first attempt to drive a truck with fertilizer through was enough for them to put in a fail safe.
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What part of the 12 seconds is not true?
I'd actually have to put effort into finding the link now, but when it was calculated freefall speed would have collapsed the buildings in just under 8 seconds if memory serves.
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I'd actually have to put effort into finding the link now, but when it was calculated freefall speed would have collapsed the buildings in just under 8 seconds if memory serves.
Not to be rude, not trying to pick a fight here with you, but we are talking about a skyscraper, our tallest buildings and you are talking about a difference between 4-6 seconds. The collapse of an entire skyscraper to it's base, 115 floors tall, which could have been possible according to the official report due to fire because of the difference of 4-6 seconds, not minutes, not hours, we're arguing about seconds, really? Let that sink in for a moment.
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I'd actually have to put effort into finding the link now, but when it was calculated freefall speed would have collapsed the buildings in just under 8 seconds if memory serves.
Really?! You're arguing several seconds in the complete collapse of buildings of that gargantuan size/height?
You're of inferior intelligence if this actually impacts your ability to be reasonable.
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Not to be rude, not trying to pick a fight here with you, but we are talking about a skyscraper, our tallest buildings and you are talking about a difference between 4-6 seconds. The collapse of an entire skyscraper to it's base, 115 floors tall, which could have been possible according to the official report due to fire because of the difference of 4-6 seconds, not minutes, not hours, we're arguing about seconds, really? Let that sink in for a moment.
Really?! You're arguing several seconds in the complete collapse of buildings of that gargantuan size/height?
You're of inferior intelligence if this actually impacts your ability to be reasonable.
You two should do your research better, neither tower fell to its base in 8-12 seconds. One tower was standing at 40 stories, the other at 60 after the collapse.
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False sense of security. If the government were truly afraid of people and their guns they would have banned them a long time ago. They want people to feel they have a fighting chance. Most gun owners think the gov can never overrun this country as long as they have their pistol and that's what they want to them to believe.
I don't think the bad guys in government are afraid of guns. I'd say they are deeply annoyed by them.
We can't forget that all the slimey shit they do is done under cover of being a "good guy", and guns in the hands of citizens means many of those citizens could die if force is placed on them -- which sort of blows the cover.
So if any future plan exists to further rearrange our political system, then fewer guns means better cover and higher probability to carry it out.
It's based on the undeniable fact that nearly everyone wants a proper society and will act accordingly to achieve it, even if they're being fooled.
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The Saudi thing is very interesting, because it makes you wonder how it could unfold. Right now, I'm sure there are people scrambling to try to protect certain information from becoming vulnerable to exposure through lawsuits. Because at the very least, the Bush Administration could get pulled through the mud, bad, and maybe much worse.
And if Isreal has responsibility in it, they could have a Plan B to help pin everything on the Saudis in order to serve them a death card.
But saying we can't sue someone for creating the terror plot because we need them to help us stop terror plots, is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.
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The couple in this thread who champion the official story are plainly idiots or just trolling.
No rational, thinking, intelligent human cannot see the very obvious horseshit in what is told as "the story".
Three steel buildings collapsing perfectly onto themselves, one that wasn't even hit by a plane, just "falling debris, bro!" ... LOL
Nonsense.
Any site with significant traffic that openly talks about Conspiracy Theories is put on a rotation of COINTELPRO posters who's job it is is to call out people and use all the types of language ROPO uses in every single one of his posts about the subject. The woman below lost her job for explaining what is going on in internet forums etc. She did a great 10 min TED talk about it...
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Nice looking MILF, would hit.
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They did fall at near free fall speed. That's a fact... All 3 buildings. So you think 3 steel framed buildings all collapsed on the same day when never before in history has even one collapsed? These buildings were designed to take multiple impacts from a 747 and stay standing. If a catastrophe occurred, they were built in sections, so only one section would fall, not the entire structure. Part of the structure would fall off or possibly crumble... The entire structure fell at free fall speed. The lower floors would have resisted and there would have been a lot of the standing yet. You see all the dust? That dust was from pulverized concrete. The concrete would not have turned to dust if it was just a building collapse without explosives used. You can see the demolition squibs from the floors below as the buildings collapse....and no it's not pressure from the floors above. Firefighters, building architects, engineers, all say demolitions brought the buildings down. All except the ones involved in the bullshit 9/11 commission report that everyone standing upright knows is a complete joke.
How many had been hit by a 747?
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never questioned it before but now thinking about it and re-watching, those buildings fell like any controlled demolition i've seen before, like the bottoms being pulled out from them. I think if the buildings were going to collapse in any way it would be very uneven and only as parts from the damaged section weaken further and fall downwards.
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never questioned it before but now thinking about it and re-watching, those buildings fell like any controlled demolition i've seen before, like the bottoms being pulled out from them. I think if the buildings were going to collapse in any way it would be very uneven and only as parts from the damaged section weaken further and fall downwards.
You're on your way. Keep going.
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never questioned it before but now thinking about it and re-watching, those buildings fell like any controlled demolition i've seen before, like the bottoms being pulled out from them. I think if the buildings were going to collapse in any way it would be very uneven and only as parts from the damaged section weaken further and fall downwards.
how many controlled demolitions have you seen that left multiple floors still standing?
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The power of flawed logic, crack pot science and rhetoric never ceases to amaze me.
Just because something looks like an "X" event doesn't mean its an "X" event. Just because it may look like a controlled demolition (on grainy youtube vids) to trained or in this case untrained eyes doesn't mean its a controlled demolition.
What hard evidence is there that point to the buildings being wired with explosives and set off? VERSUS The widely accepted explanation by 99% or structural engineers and scientists?
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The power of flawed logic, crack pot science and rhetoric never ceases to amaze me.
Just because something looks like an "X" event doesn't mean its an "X" event. Just because it may look like a controlled demolition (on grainy youtube vids) to trained or in this case untrained eyes doesn't mean its a controlled demolition.
What hard evidence is there that point to the buildings being wired with explosives and set off? VERSUS The widely accepted explanation by 99% or structural engineers and scientists?
Didn't the majority of structural engineers debunk what the media showed?
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Didn't the majority of structural engineers debunk what the media showed?
No.
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Didn't the majority of structural engineers debunk what the media showed?
In the aftermath there have been studies done on the WTC's and what happened that day. Its also a very common discussion engineering schools at one point or another.
Other than a few thousand mostly crack pot engineers which represent far less than 1% of the of educated people in the world who know BS pseudoscience, and legitimate engineering science, no one has pointed out with peer reviewed assertions based on hard evidence, not flawed logic, or BS rhetoric, that its was a demolition.
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maybe if it was explosives they weren't at base level, i dunno but it just doesn't look right and for them all to collapse the same way it just doesn't look legit
how many controlled demolitions have you seen that left multiple floors still standing?
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Didn't the majority of structural engineers debunk what the media showed?
No...
The Twin Towers were not engineered like most highrises. The developers wanted all the floor space to be free of support columns. All the support was concentrated in the skin and the core of the building.
Let us compare the Empire State Building with the Twin Towers
The Empire State Building:
The Empire State Building's steel structure is made up of an array of cubes, like a three dimensional checkerboard. Each cube shares the load with an adjoining cube (like a large crystal). This results in the load bearing strength being distributed throughout the structure. This makes the building much more resistant to localized trauma. Also the beams are protected by fire brick.
The World Trade Center Twin Towers:
The developers wanted the interior spaces on each floor to be uninterrupted and clear of walls or vertical beams. (The "Open Plan"...) This was achieved by moving the load bearing members...some to the central core, but mostly to the exterior skin...creating what is called a "Framed Tube"
This arrangement is far more susceptible to local trauma inflicting a greater percentage of damage to structural integrity than in the style of structure that is the Empire State Building.
(Think of a beverage can that has a dimple in it's side opposed to one that is perfectly smooth.)
Also the beams were protected with spray on insulation rather than fire brick.
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In the aftermath there have been studies done on the WTC's and what happened that day. Its also a very common discussion engineering schools at one point or another.
Other than a few thousand mostly crack pot engineers which represent far less than 1% of the of educated people in the world who know BS pseudoscience, and legitimate engineering science, no one has pointed out with peer reviewed assertions based on hard evidence, not flawed logic, or BS rhetoric, that its was a demolition.
Another Ropo, albeit less histrionic.
Many explosions were heard/experienced in the lower floors of the towers before the plane hit that could not be explained.
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No...
The Twin Towers were not engineered like most highrises. The developers wanted all the floor space to be free of support columns. All the support was concentrated in the skin and the core of the building.
Let us compare the Empire State Building with the Twin Towers
The Empire State Building:
The Empire State Building's steel structure is made up of an array of cubes, like a three dimensional checkerboard. Each cube shares the load with an adjoining cube (like a large crystal). This results in the load bearing strength being distributed throughout the structure. This makes the building much more resistant to localized trauma. Also the beams are protected by fire brick.
The World Trade Center Twin Towers:
The developers wanted the interior spaces on each floor to be uninterrupted and clear of walls or vertical beams. (The "Open Plan"...) This was achieved by moving the load bearing members...some to the central core, but mostly to the exterior skin...creating what is called a "Framed Tube"
This arrangement is far more susceptible to local trauma inflicting a greater percentage of damage to structural integrity than in the style of structure that is the Empire State Building.
(Think of a beverage can that has a dimple in it's side opposed to one that is perfectly smooth.)
Also the beams were protected with spray on insulation rather than fire brick.
WTC 7 fell at practically free fall speed and was not "framed tube" construction. Please explain how that happened.
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Also the beams were protected with spray on insulation rather than fire brick.
Interesting.
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Another Ropo, albeit less histrionic.
Many explosions were heard/experienced in the lower floors of the towers before the plane hit that could not be explained.
That's your evidence?
I have been in and out of researching and debunking 9/11 CT's for about 10 years. Never heard or read that explosions were heard in building before impact. wouldn't surprised if there was some people who thought they heard or did hear what they thought were explosions.
Keep in mind, even with direct line of sight of an event, witness testimony in large numbers are almost always varied, inconsistent, and unreliable to a degree. And if they were in the building they were very involved in the tragic event which even more compromises their testimony.
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In the aftermath there have been studies done on the WTC's and what happened that day. Its also a very common discussion engineering schools at one point or another.
Other than a few thousand mostly crack pot engineers which represent far less than 1% of the of educated people in the world who know BS pseudoscience, and legitimate engineering science, no one has pointed out with peer reviewed assertions based on hard evidence, not flawed logic, or BS rhetoric, that its was a demolition.
Where? Please give some links to such claims. I kick both of your ases(Ropo the retarded inbreed and you) and now after 14 pages you jump here with a plethora of bullshit backup by your fucking imagination. I already debunked your 1% of the total population argument. But just in case, my main point stands and that is:
Just claims and opinions. HOW CAN THIS VIDEO BE CLAIMS AND OPINIONS, YOU RETARDED PIECE OF SHIT, DID YOU NOT WATCH THE ENTIRE VIDEO? IT SHOWS CLEARLY AS DAY WHERE THE PLANE HIT THE BUILDING AND THE TINY PART THAT THE TOP 15 FLOORS REPRESENTED VS THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
HOW THAT FUCK CAN 15 FLOORS CRUSH 90-95 FLOORS IN STRAIGHT LINE DOWN TO IT'S BASE, TROUGH THE PATH OF MOST RESISTANT, PULVERIZING CONCRETE AND LUNCHING STEEL BEENS 600 YARD TO THE SIDE IN A STAGGERING 12 FUCKING SECONDS? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE BASIC LAWS OF PHYSICS YOU FUCKING INBREED!!!!
HOW CAN 15000 POUNDS CRUSH 90000 POUNDS WITH NO ACCELARATION IN BETWEEN BECAUSE OF DEBILITATED STEEL ALL THE WAY UP IN THE 90-95 FLOOR? PROVIDE US WITH ANY VIDEO WITH A SITUATION SIMILAR IN WHICH A SKYSCRAPER ON FIRE OBLITERATE ITS SELF TO IT'S BASE? !!!!
And here is where you two bozos(Ropo the retarded inbreed and you) will always be remember as the two retards of Getbig for the rest of this site's history. No matter how many videos and information we put up debunking the bullshit official conspiracy report of 9/11, you two keep hammering the stupidity by what has been proven to date to be one of the most corrupt, incompetent, tyrannical and criminal government of our times.
You even wrote that you didn't trust our government and believes to be corrupted. But somehow the government told you the truth about that day, where 19 goat shepherds defeated a multi-billion dollar defense system, masterminded by a terrorist hidden in cave of third world country. And three steel skyscrapers came down due to fuel and office fire. Let that story sink in for a moment and go back and watch the video on the link above, please.
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Where? Please give some links to such claims. I kick both of your ases(Ropo the retarded inbreed and you) and now after 14 pages you jump here with a plethora of bullshit backup by your fucking imagination. I already debunked your 1% of the total population argument. But just in case, my main point stands and that is:
Just claims and opinions. HOW CAN THIS VIDEO BE CLAIMS AND OPINIONS, YOU RETARDED PIECE OF SHIT, DID YOU NOT WATCH THE ENTIRE VIDEO? IT SHOWS CLEARLY AS DAY WHERE THE PLANE HIT THE BUILDING AND THE TINY PART THAT THE TOP 15 FLOORS REPRESENTED VS THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
HOW THAT FUCK CAN 15 FLOORS CRUSH 90-95 FLOORS IN STRAIGHT LINE DOWN TO IT'S BASE, PULVERIZING CONCRETE AND LUNCHING STEEL BEENS 600 YARD TO THE SIDE IN A STAGGERING 12 FUCKING SECONDS? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE BASIC LAWS OF PHYSICS YOU FUCKING INBREED!!!!
HOW CAN 15000 POUNDS CRUSH 90000 POUNDS WITH NO ACCELARATION IN BETWEEN BECAUSE OF DEBILITATED STEEL ALL THE WAY UP IN THE 90-95 FLOOR? PROVIDE US WITH ANY VIDEO WITH A SITUATION SIMILAR IN WHICH A SKYSCRAPER ON FIRE OBLITERATE ITS SELF TO IT'S BASE? !!!!
In the videos of demolitions of huge buildings, do we see any huge explosion before the buildings collapse on it's self? If not sure what I'm talking about, go to youtube and watch demolitions of hotels in Vegas and come back and post them where it show us those huge explosions that you speak of before the building are brought down.
Just claims and opinions. HOW CAN THIS VIDEO BE CLAIMS AND OPINIONS, YOU RETARDED PIECE OF SHIT, DID YOU NOT WATCH THE ENTIRE VIDEO? IT SHOWS CLEARLY AS DAY WHERE THE PLANE HIT THE BUILDING AND THE TINY PART THAT THE TOP 15 FLOORS REPRESENTED VS THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
HOW THAT FUCK CAN 15 FLOORS CRUSH 90-95 FLOORS IN STRAIGHT LINE DOWN TO IT'S BASE, TAKING THE PATH OF MOST RESISTANCE, PULVERIZING CONCRETE AND LUNCHING STEEL BEENS 600 YARD TO THE SIDE IN A STAGGERING 12 FUCKING SECONDS? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE BASIC LAWS OF PHYSICS YOU FUCKING INBREED!!!!
HOW CAN 15000 POUNDS CRUSH 90000 POUNDS WITH NO ACCELERATION IN BETWEEN BECAUSE OF DEBILITATED STEEL ALL THE WAY UP IN THE 90-95 FLOOR? PROVIDE US WITH ANY VIDEO WITH A SITUATION SIMILAR IN WHICH A SKYSCRAPER ON FIRE OBLITERATE ITS SELF TO IT'S BASE? !!!!
And here is where you two bozos(Ropo the retarded inbreed and you) will always be remember as the two retards of Getbig for the rest of this site's history. No matter how many videos and information we put up debunking the bullshit official conspiracy report of 9/11, you two keep hammering the stupidity by what has been proven to date to be one of the most corrupt, incompetent, tyrannical and criminal government of our times.
You even wrote that you didn't trust our government and believes to be corrupted. But somehow the government told you the truth about that day, where 19 goat shepherds defeated a dollar defense system, masterminded by a terrorist hidden in cave of third world country. And three steel skyscrapers came down on that day due to fuel and office fire. Let that story sink in for a moment and go back and watch the video on the link above, please.
Hey youtube boy,
We have been over this before on the thread where you were owned and debunked and then you ran away.
If you want me to read your retort. Don't use all caps.
Now to the one part i did read:
Where? Please give some links to such claims.
I don't need to give you links, or better yet, a youtube video of it. just use you head. Why wouldn't that be a question someone would ask in a structural engineering class? I know it common because i have read discussions on FB that people were having about it.
Are you telling me students wouldn't ask a question like that for fear of "the evil government" sneaking into their dorms at night a killing them or the professor?
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WTC 7 fell at practically free fall speed and was not "framed tube" construction. Please explain how that happened.
Care to address what he posted or are you just going to run away to another part of 9/11?
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Hey youtube boy,
We have been over this before on the thread where you were owned and debunked and then you ran away.
If you want me to read your retort. Don't use all caps.
Now to the one part i did read:
I don't need to give you links, or better yet, a youtube video of it. just use you head. Why wouldn't that be a question someone would ask in a structural engineering class? I know it common because i have read discussions on FB that people were having about it.
Are you telling me students wouldn't ask a question like that for fear of "the evil government" sneaking into their dorms at night a killing them or the professor?
Owned!!!
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Owned!!!
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that's what you call owned?
No wonder why you are truffer.
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that's what you call owned?
No wonder why you are truffer.
19 goat shepherds defeated a multi-billion dollar defense system, masterminded by a terrorist hidden in cave of a 3rd world country, and 3 steel skyscrapers came down due to fuel and office fire. The offical truffer story, and you are still owned!!!
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HAHAHAHAHAHA M4tad0r
http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-engineers-study-911-lessons-how-help-buildings-withstand-threats (http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-engineers-study-911-lessons-how-help-buildings-withstand-threats)
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19 goat shepherds defeated a multi-billion dollar defense system, masterminded by a terrorist hidden in cave of a 3rd world country, and 3 steel skyscrapers came down due to fuel and office fire. The offical truffer story, and you are still owned!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHA M4tad0r
http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-engineers-study-911-lessons-how-help-buildings-withstand-threats (http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-engineers-study-911-lessons-how-help-buildings-withstand-threats)
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19 goat shepherds defeated a multi-billion dollar defense system, masterminded by a terrorist hidden in cave of a 3rd world country, and 3 steel skyscrapers came down due to fuel and office fire. The offical truffer story, and you are still owned!!!
completely untrue. that didn't happen. Its obvious you don't know what happened on 9/11
mean while
HAHAHAHAHAHA M4tad0r
http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-engineers-study-911-lessons-how-help-buildings-withstand-threats (http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-engineers-study-911-lessons-how-help-buildings-withstand-threats)
The great M4tad0r knows more than Stanford Engineering students and professors.
You must have had a 1600 SAT huh youtube boy?
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completely untrue. that didn't happen. Its obvious you don't know what happened on 9/11
mean while
HAHAHAHAHAHA M4tad0r
http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-engineers-study-911-lessons-how-help-buildings-withstand-threats (http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-engineers-study-911-lessons-how-help-buildings-withstand-threats)
The great M4tad0r knows more than Stanford Engineering students
You must have had a 1600 SAT huh youtube boy?
So where is the study and discussion explaining the collapse of the twin towers?
Can't understand he's own links.
HAHAHAHAHAHA Ozmo
Still OWNED!!!!
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Yeah, i gave you a link that's even proves it more and you can't grasp it.
Dude you are stupid and insane.
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You must be confused. I love my country, I did serve and ready to serve and protect this great country of ours and it's constitution. What I will not do is to continue to support our corrupted goverment, and those psychopaths in Washington D.C. for having us paying taxes so they can enrich themselves through the military industrial complex while destroying countries and having our people die in foreign lands.
Qft!
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So where is the study and discussion explaining the the collapse of the twin towers?
Can't understand it's own links.
HAHAHAHAHAHA Ozmo
Still OWNED!!!!
So let me get this right...
you think that when Stanford engineers study 9/11 to figure out how to build better buildings to withstand terrorist threats involving airplanes they didn't research and discuss how the WTCs failed that day?
What brand of stupid are you?
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So let me get this right...
you think that when Stanford engineers study 9/11 to figure out how to build better buildings to withstand terrorist threats involving airplanes they didn't research and discuss how the WTCs failed that day?
What brand of stupid are you?
Just applying the same logic as you. Let's see if you get it this time.
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Qft!
Oh look its the Brink, another coward that can't address his ignorance.
So I guess this guy should go see a shrink too lol. As well as many other prolific politicians worldwide who believe the same thing..
you mean like how "any engineer" would say? PS: If you are trusting the word of a anti-Semitic politician, i have a bridge to sell to you, oh wait, you are a CT'er who is afraid of the truth just like you have demonstrated below so you probabaly are already making payments on your bridge.
Engineers don't design structures that size to be 'just strong enough'. That's ridiculous. And it's not the steel that protects the building from gravity, it's the concrete columns which have tremendous compressive strength. Steel is merely meant to keep the concrete from twisting apart and to protect its integrity from vector type forces. Any engineer will tell you that.
Physics!!!!! ;)
Again you are wrong. You are drawing conclusions from incorrect assumptions and inaccurate information. If you don't like the wiki proof there is more i can post from actual engineers to show how wrong you are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center)
The World Trade Center towers included many structural engineering innovations in skyscraper design and construction, which allowed the buildings to reach new heights and become the tallest in the world. Traditionally, skyscrapers used a skeleton of columns distributed throughout the interior to support building loads, with interior columns disrupting the floor space. The tube-frame concept, earlier introduced by Fazlur Khan, was a major innovation, allowing open floor plans and more space to rent. The buildings used high-strength, load-bearing perimeter steel columns called Vierendeel trusses that were spaced closely together to form a strong, rigid wall structure. There were 60 perimeter columns, narrowly spaced, on each side of the buildings. In all, the perimeter walls of the towers were 210 feet (64 m) on each side, and the corners were beveled. The perimeter columns were designed to provide support for virtually all lateral loads (such as wind loads) and to share the gravity loads with the core columns.[48] Structural analysis of major portions of the World Trade Center were computed on an IBM 1620.[49]
The perimeter structure was constructed with extensive use of prefabricated modular pieces, which consisted of three columns, three stories tall, connected by spandrel plates. The perimeter columns had a square cross section, 14 inches (36 cm) on a side, and were constructed of welded steel plate.[50] The thickness of the plates and grade of structural steel varied over the height of the tower, ranging from 36,000 to 100,000 pounds per square inch[51] (260 to 670 MPa). The strength of the steel and thickness of the steel plates decreased with height because they were required to support lesser amounts of building mass on higher floors.[50] The tube-frame design required 40 percent less structural steel than conventional building designs.[52] From the 7th floor to the ground level, and down to the foundation, the columns were spaced 10 feet (3 m) apart.[53] All columns were placed on bedrock, which, unlike that in Midtown Manhattan, where the bedrock is shallow, is at 65–85 feet (20–26 m) below the surface.[54]
The spandrel plates were welded to the columns to create the modular pieces off-site at the fabrication shop.[55] The modular pieces were typically 52 inches (1.3 m) deep, and extended for two full floors and half of two more floors.[50] Adjacent modules were bolted together, with the splices occurring at mid-span of the columns and spandrels. The spandrel plates were located at each floor, transmitting shear stress between columns, allowing them to work together in resisting lateral loads. The joints between modules were staggered vertically, so the column splices between adjacent modules were not at the same floor.[50]
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The tube frame design using steel core and perimeter columns protected with sprayed-on fire resistant material created a relatively lightweight structure that would sway more in response to the wind, compared to traditional structures such as the Empire State Building that have thick, heavy masonry for fireproofing of steel structural elements
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Oh look its the Brink, another coward you can't address his ignorance.
you mean like how "any engineer" would say? PS: If you are trusting the word of a anti-Semitic politician, i have a bridge to sell to you, oh wait, you are a CT'er who is afraid of the truth just like you have demonstrated below so you probabaly are already making payments on your bridge.
Physics!!!!! ;)
Again you are wrong. You are drawing conclusions from incorrect assumptions and inaccurate information. If you don't like the wiki proof there is more i can post from actual engineers to show how wrong you are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center)
The World Trade Center towers included many structural engineering innovations in skyscraper design and construction, which allowed the buildings to reach new heights and become the tallest in the world. Traditionally, skyscrapers used a skeleton of columns distributed throughout the interior to support building loads, with interior columns disrupting the floor space. The tube-frame concept, earlier introduced by Fazlur Khan, was a major innovation, allowing open floor plans and more space to rent.The buildings used high-strength, load-bearing perimeter steel columns called Vierendeel trusses that were spaced closely together to form a strong, rigid wall structure. There were 60 perimeter columns, narrowly spaced, on each side of the buildings. In all, the perimeter walls of the towers were 210 feet (64 m) on each side, and the corners were beveled. The perimeter columns were designed to provide support for virtually all lateral loads (such as wind loads) and to share the gravity loads with the core columns.[48] Structural analysis of major portions of the World Trade Center were computed on an IBM 1620.[49]
The perimeter structure was constructed with extensive use of prefabricated modular pieces, which consisted of three columns, three stories tall, connected by spandrel plates. The perimeter columns had a square cross section, 14 inches (36 cm) on a side, and were constructed of welded steel plate.[50] The thickness of the plates and grade of structural steel varied over the height of the tower, ranging from 36,000 to 100,000 pounds per square inch[51] (260 to 670 MPa). The strength of the steel and thickness of the steel plates decreased with height because they were required to support lesser amounts of building mass on higher floors.[50] The tube-frame design required 40 percent less structural steel than conventional building designs.[52] From the 7th floor to the ground level, and down to the foundation, the columns were spaced 10 feet (3 m) apart.[53] All columns were placed on bedrock, which, unlike that in Midtown Manhattan, where the bedrock is shallow, is at 65–85 feet (20–26 m) below the surface.[54]
The spandrel plates were welded to the columns to create the modular pieces off-site at the fabrication shop.[55] The modular pieces were typically 52 inches (1.3 m) deep, and extended for two full floors and half of two more floors.[50] Adjacent modules were bolted together, with the splices occurring at mid-span of the columns and spandrels. The spandrel plates were located at each floor, transmitting shear stress between columns, allowing them to work together in resisting lateral loads. The joints between modules were staggered vertically, so the column splices between adjacent modules were not at the same floor.[50]
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The tube frame design using steel core and perimeter columns protected with sprayed-on fire resistant material created a relatively lightweight structure that would sway more in response to the wind, compared to traditional structures such as the Empire State Building that have thick, heavy masonry for fireproofing of steel structural elements
Just claims and opinions. HOW CAN THIS VIDEO BE CLAIMS AND OPINIONS, YOU RETARDED PIECE OF SHIT, DID YOU NOT WATCH THE ENTIRE VIDEO? IT SHOWS CLEARLY AS DAY WHERE THE PLANE HIT THE BUILDING AND THE TINY PART THAT THE TOP 15 FLOORS REPRESENTED VS THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
HOW THAT FUCK CAN 15 FLOORS CRUSH 90-95 FLOORS IN STRAIGHT LINE DOWN TO IT'S BASE, TROUGH THE PATH OF MOST RESISTANT, PULVERIZING CONCRETE AND LUNCHING STEEL BEENS 600 YARD TO THE SIDE IN A STAGGERING 12 FUCKING SECONDS? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE BASIC LAWS OF PHYSICS YOU FUCKING INBREED!!!!
HOW CAN 15000 POUNDS CRUSH 90000 POUNDS WITH NO ACCELARATION IN BETWEEN BECAUSE OF DEBILITATED STEEL ALL THE WAY UP IN THE 90-95 FLOOR? PROVIDE US WITH ANY VIDEO WITH A SITUATION SIMILAR IN WHICH A SKYSCRAPER ON FIRE OBLITERATE ITS SELF TO IT'S BASE? !!!!
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Just applying the same logic as you. Let's see if you get it this time.
no logic involved here. you asked for a link, i said none needed but then gave you one anyway.
you were owned like the little bitch you are. ;D
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Just claims and opinions. HOW CAN THIS VIDEO BE CLAIMS AND OPINIONS, YOU RETARDED PIECE OF SHIT, DID YOU NOT WATCH THE ENTIRE VIDEO? IT SHOWS CLEARLY AS DAY WHERE THE PLANE HIT THE BUILDING AND THE TINY PART THAT THE TOP 15 FLOORS REPRESENTED VS THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
HOW THAT FUCK CAN 15 FLOORS CRUSH 90-95 FLOORS IN STRAIGHT LINE DOWN TO IT'S BASE, TROUGH THE PATH OF MOST RESISTANT, PULVERIZING CONCRETE AND LUNCHING STEEL BEENS 600 YARD TO THE SIDE IN A STAGGERING 12 FUCKING SECONDS? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE BASIC LAWS OF PHYSICS YOU FUCKING INBREED!!!!
HOW CAN 15000 POUNDS CRUSH 90000 POUNDS WITH NO ACCELARATION IN BETWEEN BECAUSE OF DEBILITATED STEEL ALL THE WAY UP IN THE 90-95 FLOOR? PROVIDE US WITH ANY VIDEO WITH A SITUATION SIMILAR IN WHICH A SKYSCRAPER ON FIRE OBLITERATE ITS SELF TO IT'S BASE? !!!!
blah blah blah blah.
the little bitch squeals "I am smarter than Stanford!"
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NEWS: Stanford University is part of the conspiracy and 9/11 cover up!
See if you mark the "Sheeple" box on the entry application they immediately accept you!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH AHAH
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blah blah blah blah.
the little bitch squeals "I am smarter than Stanford!"
The strength of the steel and thickness of the steel plates decreased with height because they were required to support lesser amounts of building mass on higher floors.[50] The tube-frame design required 40 percent less structural steel than conventional building designs.[52] From the 7th floor to the ground level, and down to the foundation, the columns were spaced 10 feet (3 m) apart.[53] All columns were placed on bedrock, which, unlike that in Midtown Manhattan, where the bedrock is shallow, is at 65–85 feet (20–26 m) below the surface.[54]
Can't understand what he posts, or how that correlates with mine, in a word, OWNED!!!
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The strength of the steel and thickness of the steel plates decreased with height because they were required to support lesser amounts of building mass on higher floors.[50] The tube-frame design required 40 percent less structural steel than conventional building designs.[52] From the 7th floor to the ground level, and down to the foundation, the columns were spaced 10 feet (3 m) apart.[53] All columns were placed on bedrock, which, unlike that in Midtown Manhattan, where the bedrock is shallow, is at 65–85 feet (20–26 m) below the surface.[54]
Can't understand what he posts, or how that correlates with mine, in a word, OWNED!!!
I told you turn your caps off. then i will read it. But i am pretty certain that's its uneducated, flawed logic laced dribble.
Meanwhile at Stanford.......another little youtube internet bitch gets owned.
And its still yet very very obvious you didn't read any of the reports about how and why the WTCs collapsed.
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19 goat shepherds defeated a multi-billion dollar defense system, masterminded by a terrorist hidden in cave of a 3rd world country, and 3 steel skyscrapers came down due to fuel and office fire. The offical truffer story, and you are still owned!!!
We're supposed to believe this ??
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We're supposed to believe this ??
Coward.
So I guess this guy should go see a shrink too lol. As well as many other prolific politicians worldwide who believe the same thing..
you mean like how "any engineer" would say? PS: If you are trusting the word of a anti-Semitic politician, i have a bridge to sell to you, oh wait, you are a CT'er who is afraid of the truth just like you have demonstrated below so you probabaly are already making payments on your bridge.
Engineers don't design structures that size to be 'just strong enough'. That's ridiculous. And it's not the steel that protects the building from gravity, it's the concrete columns which have tremendous compressive strength. Steel is merely meant to keep the concrete from twisting apart and to protect its integrity from vector type forces. Any engineer will tell you that.
Physics!!!!! ;)
Again you are wrong. You are drawing conclusions from incorrect assumptions and inaccurate information. If you don't like the wiki proof there is more i can post from actual engineers to show how wrong you are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center)
The World Trade Center towers included many structural engineering innovations in skyscraper design and construction, which allowed the buildings to reach new heights and become the tallest in the world. Traditionally, skyscrapers used a skeleton of columns distributed throughout the interior to support building loads, with interior columns disrupting the floor space. The tube-frame concept, earlier introduced by Fazlur Khan, was a major innovation, allowing open floor plans and more space to rent. The buildings used high-strength, load-bearing perimeter steel columns called Vierendeel trusses that were spaced closely together to form a strong, rigid wall structure. There were 60 perimeter columns, narrowly spaced, on each side of the buildings. In all, the perimeter walls of the towers were 210 feet (64 m) on each side, and the corners were beveled. The perimeter columns were designed to provide support for virtually all lateral loads (such as wind loads) and to share the gravity loads with the core columns.[48] Structural analysis of major portions of the World Trade Center were computed on an IBM 1620.[49]
The perimeter structure was constructed with extensive use of prefabricated modular pieces, which consisted of three columns, three stories tall, connected by spandrel plates. The perimeter columns had a square cross section, 14 inches (36 cm) on a side, and were constructed of welded steel plate.[50] The thickness of the plates and grade of structural steel varied over the height of the tower, ranging from 36,000 to 100,000 pounds per square inch[51] (260 to 670 MPa). The strength of the steel and thickness of the steel plates decreased with height because they were required to support lesser amounts of building mass on higher floors.[50] The tube-frame design required 40 percent less structural steel than conventional building designs.[52] From the 7th floor to the ground level, and down to the foundation, the columns were spaced 10 feet (3 m) apart.[53] All columns were placed on bedrock, which, unlike that in Midtown Manhattan, where the bedrock is shallow, is at 65–85 feet (20–26 m) below the surface.[54]
The spandrel plates were welded to the columns to create the modular pieces off-site at the fabrication shop.[55] The modular pieces were typically 52 inches (1.3 m) deep, and extended for two full floors and half of two more floors.[50] Adjacent modules were bolted together, with the splices occurring at mid-span of the columns and spandrels. The spandrel plates were located at each floor, transmitting shear stress between columns, allowing them to work together in resisting lateral loads. The joints between modules were staggered vertically, so the column splices between adjacent modules were not at the same floor.[50]
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The tube frame design using steel core and perimeter columns protected with sprayed-on fire resistant material created a relatively lightweight structure that would sway more in response to the wind, compared to traditional structures such as the Empire State Building that have thick, heavy masonry for fireproofing of steel structural elements
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You mad bro??? By the way, you are still OWNED!!!
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Here is a link to a bunch of real engineers and architects as well, that after examining the evidence came to the conclusion that the official conspiracy report of 9/11 does not hold water anyway possible. How you like them apples, OWNED!!!
http://www.ae911truth.org/about.html
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blah blah blah blah.
the little bitch squeals "I am smarter than Stanford!"
Where is the discussion of the collapse of the twin towers in that article? Are you pulling a "coach" on us? Seriously?
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At the end of the day, my main point stands and the article which you posted and it's obvious that you do not understand the information you post, in which it supports mine as well is the fact that on 9/11 of 2001 was a day that defied the laws of physics.
One of our tallest skyscraper disintegrated in an unbelievable 12 seconds because of debilitated steel due to jet fuel and office fire and it's construction on a prefabricated modular pieces.
Some how that day 15 floors crushed 95 floors straight to it's base, taking the path of most resistance straight down almost at the speed of gravity, disintegrating concrete and lunching steel been 600 yards to the side.
The parts that supports my point from your article:
The strength of the steel and thickness of the steel plates decreased with height because they were required to support lesser amounts of building mass on higher floors.[50] The tube-frame design required 40 percent less structural steel than conventional building designs.
Let this last sentences sink in for a moment.
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Still no witnesses that saw this mysterious missle that struck the pentagon?
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Still no witnesses that saw this mysterious missle that struck the pentagon?
How about all the video surveillance from a dozen businesses in the surrounding area.
All their video footage was confiscated within the minutes following the explosion.
Not to mention highway traffic cameras which would have shown perfectly.
Yet they only choose to show 1 angle of the "hit".
They have no problem showing the towers being hit from all angles, yet this famous footage which would
show the TRUTH is supressed. Why ? because there's no plane.
Exactly like how there was NO PLANE in shanksville PA.
but wait! the government wouldn't hide anything like that!
Wrong. Just his week they're back in the news talking about "secret pages" from the 9/11 reports. lol
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/white-house-set-to-release-secret-pages-from-inquiry/article_d1949a21-d105-5961-bf40-9318e6b4d3d6.html (http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/white-house-set-to-release-secret-pages-from-inquiry/article_d1949a21-d105-5961-bf40-9318e6b4d3d6.html)
Yes that's what your country does. Selectively chooses what pages it want to publish, and hides the others when it comes to the greatest "attack" (self attack) on US soil.
I swear the majority of the US population is in denial, and being taken for a ride (just like this guy)
(http://wadiyan.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/rsz_miracle-baby.jpg)
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How about all the video surveillance from a dozen businesses in the surrounding area.
All their video footage was confiscated within the minutes following the explosion.
Not to mention highway traffic cameras which would have shown perfectly.
Yet they only choose to show 1 angle of the "hit".
They have no problem showing the towers being hit from all angles, yet this famous footage which would
show the TRUTH is supressed. Why ? because there's no plane.
Exactly like how there was NO PLANE in shanksville PA.
but wait! the government wouldn't hide anything like that!
Wrong. Just his week they're back in the news talking about "secret pages" from the 9/11 reports. lol
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/white-house-set-to-release-secret-pages-from-inquiry/article_d1949a21-d105-5961-bf40-9318e6b4d3d6.html (http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/white-house-set-to-release-secret-pages-from-inquiry/article_d1949a21-d105-5961-bf40-9318e6b4d3d6.html)
Yes that's what your country does. Selectively chooses what pages it want to publish, and hides the others when it comes to the greatest "attack" (self attack) on US soil.
I swear the majority of the US population is in denial, and being taken for a ride (just like this guy)
(http://wadiyan.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/rsz_miracle-baby.jpg)
If there was no plane, what was seen hitting the buildings?
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Where is the discussion of the collapse of the twin towers in that article? Are you pulling a "coach" on us? Seriously?
You don't think they had a discussion of the collapse of the WTCs prior to this?
Again what kind of stupid are you?
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How about all the video surveillance from a dozen businesses in the surrounding area.
All their video footage was confiscated within the minutes following the explosion.
Not to mention highway traffic cameras which would have shown perfectly.
Yet they only choose to show 1 angle of the "hit".
They have no problem showing the towers being hit from all angles, yet this famous footage which would
show the TRUTH is supressed. Why ? because there's no plane.
Exactly like how there was NO PLANE in shanksville PA.
but wait! the government wouldn't hide anything like that!
Wrong. Just his week they're back in the news talking about "secret pages" from the 9/11 reports. lol
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/white-house-set-to-release-secret-pages-from-inquiry/article_d1949a21-d105-5961-bf40-9318e6b4d3d6.html (http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/white-house-set-to-release-secret-pages-from-inquiry/article_d1949a21-d105-5961-bf40-9318e6b4d3d6.html)
Yes that's what your country does. Selectively chooses what pages it want to publish, and hides the others when it comes to the greatest "attack" (self attack) on US soil.
I swear the majority of the US population is in denial, and being taken for a ride (just like this guy)
(http://wadiyan.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/rsz_miracle-baby.jpg)
The video footage if there was any would have been 320 resolution at 23fps at best. Basic security cams. That's why the only usable clip is the one we have seen. All the other ones were aimed another direction and even if they were aimed indirectly they wouldn't have likely been in focus.
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At the end of the day, my main point stands and the article which you posted and it's obvious that you do not understand the information you post, in which it supports mine as well is the fact that on 9/11 of 2001 was a day that defied the laws of physics.
One of our tallest skyscraper disintegrated in an unbelievable 12 seconds because of debilitated steel due to jet fuel and office fire and it's construction on a prefabricated modular pieces.
Some how that day 15 floors crushed 95 floors straight to it's base, taking the path of most resistance straight down almost at the speed of gravity, disintegrating concrete and lunching steel been 600 yards to the side.
The parts that supports my point from your article:
The strength of the steel and thickness of the steel plates decreased with height because they were required to support lesser amounts of building mass on higher floors.[50] The tube-frame design required 40 percent less structural steel than conventional building designs.
Let this last sentences sink in for a moment.
Again you are completely wrong and again you have demonstrated that you havent even read any of the reports.
Good thing there is youtube for the uniquely stupid.
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How about all the video surveillance from a dozen businesses in the surrounding area.
All their video footage was confiscated within the minutes following the explosion.
Not to mention highway traffic cameras which would have shown perfectly.
Yet they only choose to show 1 angle of the "hit".
They have no problem showing the towers being hit from all angles, yet this famous footage which would
show the TRUTH is supressed. Why ? because there's no plane.
Exactly like how there was NO PLANE in shanksville PA.
but wait! the government wouldn't hide anything like that!
Wrong. Just his week they're back in the news talking about "secret pages" from the 9/11 reports. lol
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/white-house-set-to-release-secret-pages-from-inquiry/article_d1949a21-d105-5961-bf40-9318e6b4d3d6.html (http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/white-house-set-to-release-secret-pages-from-inquiry/article_d1949a21-d105-5961-bf40-9318e6b4d3d6.html)
Yes that's what your country does. Selectively chooses what pages it want to publish, and hides the others when it comes to the greatest "attack" (self attack) on US soil.
I swear the majority of the US population is in denial, and being taken for a ride (just like this guy)
(http://wadiyan.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/rsz_miracle-baby.jpg)
OK, let's pretend "they" stole all the video footage. What about all the people? Weird how so many people witnessed a plane flying towards the Pentagon but there are no witnesses claiming to have seen a missle. And where was that missle fired from?
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You don't think they had a discussion of the collapse of the WTCs prior to this?
Again what kind of stupid are you?
Show us the proof, can't you see this is classic case of the pot calling the kettle black? You retard!!!
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Show us the proof, can't you see this is classic case of the pot calling the kettle black? You retard!!!
You don't think that a discussion of how the WTC's failed preceded a study of 9/11 of how to help buildings withstand threats?
What kind of stupid are you?
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You don't think that a discussion of how the WTC's failed preceded a study of 9/11 of how to help buildings withstand threats?
What kind of stupid are you?
Show us the proof, can't you see this is classic case of the pot calling the kettle black? You retard with an IQ of room temperature!!!
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this is a fantastic clip :o
Great clip! Never seen this before. Thanks for posting.
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Show us the proof, can't you see this is classic case of the pot calling the kettle black? You retard with an IQ of room temperature!!!
You don't think that a discussion of how the WTC's failed preceded a study of 9/11 of how to help buildings withstand threats?
What kind of stupid are you?
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here, ffs get yourselves on here and stop this shite
http://www.debunking911.com
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In the aftermath there have been studies done on the WTC's and what happened that day. Its also a very common discussion engineering schools at one point or another.
Other than a few thousand mostly crack pot engineers which represent far less than 1% of the of educated people in the world who know BS pseudoscience, and legitimate engineering science, no one has pointed out with peer reviewed assertions based on hard evidence, not flawed logic, or BS rhetoric, that its was a demolition.
Yes engineers grow on trees in abundance. A few thousand engineers and architects questioning the official 911 story is a big deal. And no they are not crackpots - you're reaching here Ozmo. Maybe you're the crackpot for believing 19 cave dwellers pulled off this 911 stunt?? I've said this before to Ropo and now you Ozmo. You're a tinfoil hat CT'er for believing the official fairy tail. And I would venture that you're probably also either very naive or not very bright if you insist on repeating the official crackpot narrative.
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NEWS: Stanford University is part of the conspiracy and 9/11 cover up!
See if you mark the "Sheeple" box on the entry application they immediately accept you!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH AHAH
Why would they be part of the coverup?
If two people conspire to kill 10 people and the killing is pinned on someone else, is everyone including the kitchen sink now in on the coverup?
This is such a lame, overused and tired argument coming from you 911 Official Story CT'ers!
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If there was no plane, what was seen hitting the buildings?
Do you see a plane? I don't. There's enough frames to capture a streaking white object, and it is certainly not an airliner.
(http://montalk.net/four_per_second.gif)
(http://911truthaustralia.com/images/doctored%20pentagon%20video.gif)
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here, ffs get yourselves on here and stop this shite
http://www.debunking911.com
Forget all the talking points. Please explain how an invisible airliner crashed into the Pentagon. Just this one item alone debunks the official 911 "Fairy Tale".
(http://montalk.net/four_per_second.gif)
(http://911truthaustralia.com/images/doctored%20pentagon%20video.gif)
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Supposedly the fourth plane, United Airlines Flight 93, initially was steered toward Washington, D.C., but crashed into a field near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, after its passengers tried to overcome the hijackers. Yet in this interview below a witness claimed there was zero plane wreckage! Zero. This is amazing (and impossible)!! And on land mind you, not the ocean.
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The suggestion that someone would need to fly airplanes into two buildings and blow them up is in itself absurd. Could you imagine the meeting?...
Government: We want to cause a tragedy so great the American people will blindly follow us into war... What do you think gentlemen...
Accomplice #1: Well, the Towers are a perfect choice.. It's been bombed before. We can just blame Osama again. We've been priming the American people by having him blow up our warships and our buildings in other countries.
Government: Yeah, good idea! How will we do that?
Accomplice #1: We can hire Osama to get some of his friends to fly planes into it!
Accomplice #2: Wait... I have a better idea, We can BOMB the buildings!
Accomplice #1: Well, that means placing enough bombs into two 110 story buildings. That's going to take a lot of man power and risk us being uncovered...
Accomplice #2: Yeah, but that way, you’re sure to knock them down. Besides, maybe the hijackers won’t make it to the target. Maybe they'll be uncovered!
Accomplice #1: But you don't need to knock them down, all you need is the horrific sight of the planes hitting the buildings. People will get the message. It's an attack on American soil. We'll also have people like the blind sheik to cover for us. We'll even put a guy on a train with evidence.
Your plan isn't perfect either, you know. Do I have to remind you of Operation Towel Pop? We already tried to embarrass Clinton by knocking it down and failed.
Accomplice #2: Yeah, our Bay of Pigs, but I say the only way they can get the message is if we knock them down.
Accomplice #1: Do not
Accomplice #2: Do too
Accomplice #1: Do not
Accomplice #2: Do too
Accomplice #1: Do not
Accomplice #2: Do too
Government: Gentlemen, gentlemen... Please... What the hell, we'll just do both! :blink: How do we do that? I mean, how do you keep explosions from showing up on TV? We're going to have to investigate this at some point. How do we cover up the scene?
Accomplice #2: But why not just knock it dow...
Government: I've made my decision. Continue...
Accomplice #2: OK.. We install charges on every floor so that after the planes hit, we blow each floor under the crash floor one by one, very fast to simulate pancaking. We'll let the building burn a while just for effect. This will also give time for the trusses to sag making it LOOK like a fire caused the building to fall.
Accomplice #1: Nice touch...
Accomplice #2: Why, thank you. :) ...We'll set a charge off in the middle of the building AFTER the top is on its way down so everyone thinks the puffs of debris coming from the windows are from the tremendous hypodermic needle like pressure blowing debris from the weakest point in the building.
Government: What about the sound of explosions? Isn't that a dead giveaway?
Accomplice #2: No problem, We'll just let them think it's normal electrical explosions like transformers blowing up or the initial concrete and steel and floors hitting the floors below.
Accomplice #1: Yeah, it could also be the steel columns snapping like twigs from the tremendous weight of the floors above... Don't worry, we have disinformation specialists in key internet forums.
Government: WOW, You guys think of everything.. What about Building 7? Can we take that out at the same time?
Accomplice #1: We won’t be able to fly planes into it, that's for sure...
Accomplice #2: Leave it to me. If we set off the explosions just right, we can have one of the towers hit Building 7, missing the two next to it. After that, we can set fires on the bottom floors and let it burn for a while, you know, to make it look possible for a normal collapse. I'll call my agent in the fire department to get everyone out before we blow it. I'll figure a way to make the floors look buckled for effect as well.
Government: Amazing ... I also want to take out the Pentagon. Any suggestions?
Accomplice #1: What we'll do is hijack a plane just for effect, then fire a missile at the Pentagon. A bunker buster.
Government: But what about the people on the plane?
Accomplice #1: We'll land the plane in area 51, then shoot them all.
Government: Why not use the plane instead of the missile? That way, you take care of all the evidence at the same time... People on the highway can also see the planes hit. If you use a missile, there's going to be a lot of witnesses who saw a missile and not a plane.
Accomplice #1: Err... ah, don't worry about these small details. I have an undercover op in the DC police department who will take the names down and shot them all.
Government: How are you going to get all the people involved in this? Bush isn't exactly loved you know..
Accomplice #1: Don't worry, psych-ops will take care of the brainwashing of the American people. As for the media, we control the left and the right!
Government: GREAT! Nice work all! Let’s make the target date Sept 11, 2001.
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The suggestion that someone would need to fly airplanes into two buildings and blow them up is in itself absurd. Could you imagine the meeting?...
Government: We want to cause a tragedy so great the American people will blindly follow us into war... What do you think gentlemen...
Accomplice #1: Well, the Towers are a perfect choice.. It's been bombed before. We can just blame Osama again. We've been priming the American people by having him blow up our warships and our buildings in other countries.
Government: Yeah, good idea! How will we do that?
Accomplice #1: We can hire Osama to get some of his friends to fly planes into it!
Accomplice #2: Wait... I have a better idea, We can BOMB the buildings!
Accomplice #1: Well, that means placing enough bombs into two 110 story buildings. That's going to take a lot of man power and risk us being uncovered...
Accomplice #2: Yeah, but that way, you’re sure to knock them down. Besides, maybe the hijackers won’t make it to the target. Maybe they'll be uncovered!
Accomplice #1: But you don't need to knock them down, all you need is the horrific sight of the planes hitting the buildings. People will get the message. It's an attack on American soil. We'll also have people like the blind sheik to cover for us. We'll even put a guy on a train with evidence.
Your plan isn't perfect either, you know. Do I have to remind you of Operation Towel Pop? We already tried to embarrass Clinton by knocking it down and failed.
Accomplice #2: Yeah, our Bay of Pigs, but I say the only way they can get the message is if we knock them down.
Accomplice #1: Do not
Accomplice #2: Do too
Accomplice #1: Do not
Accomplice #2: Do too
Accomplice #1: Do not
Accomplice #2: Do too
Government: Gentlemen, gentlemen... Please... What the hell, we'll just do both! :blink: How do we do that? I mean, how do you keep explosions from showing up on TV? We're going to have to investigate this at some point. How do we cover up the scene?
Accomplice #2: But why not just knock it dow...
Government: I've made my decision. Continue...
Accomplice #2: OK.. We install charges on every floor so that after the planes hit, we blow each floor under the crash floor one by one, very fast to simulate pancaking. We'll let the building burn a while just for effect. This will also give time for the trusses to sag making it LOOK like a fire caused the building to fall.
Accomplice #1: Nice touch...
Accomplice #2: Why, thank you. :) ...We'll set a charge off in the middle of the building AFTER the top is on its way down so everyone thinks the puffs of debris coming from the windows are from the tremendous hypodermic needle like pressure blowing debris from the weakest point in the building.
Government: What about the sound of explosions? Isn't that a dead giveaway?
Accomplice #2: No problem, We'll just let them think it's normal electrical explosions like transformers blowing up or the initial concrete and steel and floors hitting the floors below.
Accomplice #1: Yeah, it could also be the steel columns snapping like twigs from the tremendous weight of the floors above... Don't worry, we have disinformation specialists in key internet forums.
Government: WOW, You guys think of everything.. What about Building 7? Can we take that out at the same time?
Accomplice #1: We won’t be able to fly planes into it, that's for sure...
Accomplice #2: Leave it to me. If we set off the explosions just right, we can have one of the towers hit Building 7, missing the two next to it. After that, we can set fires on the bottom floors and let it burn for a while, you know, to make it look possible for a normal collapse. I'll call my agent in the fire department to get everyone out before we blow it. I'll figure a way to make the floors look buckled for effect as well.
Government: Amazing ... I also want to take out the Pentagon. Any suggestions?
Accomplice #1: What we'll do is hijack a plane just for effect, then fire a missile at the Pentagon. A bunker buster.
Government: But what about the people on the plane?
Accomplice #1: We'll land the plane in area 51, then shoot them all.
Government: Why not use the plane instead of the missile? That way, you take care of all the evidence at the same time... People on the highway can also see the planes hit. If you use a missile, there's going to be a lot of witnesses who saw a missile and not a plane.
Accomplice #1: Err... ah, don't worry about these small details. I have an undercover op in the DC police department who will take the names down and shot them all.
Government: How are you going to get all the people involved in this? Bush isn't exactly loved you know..
Accomplice #1: Don't worry, psych-ops will take care of the brainwashing of the American people. As for the media, we control the left and the right!
Government: GREAT! Nice work all! Let’s make the target date Sept 11, 2001.
Yes, this is totally how it went down - not!
Epic guessing and brutal projection / reaching here and not relevant to the invisible plane in the Pentagon explosion footage. Or are you blind?? Forget about imagining how criminals get together and conspire, get your head out of the sand and look with your own eyes.
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Have you seen the airplanes or met any of these passengers in person?
There was an Indian guy that flew to Dubai today. I promise he was on the plane. Just trust me ok. Can you confirm if I am telling the truth?
I knew Lee Harvey Oswald. He told me he shot Kennedy. I promise this is the truth. You are just going to have to trust me on this one. ;D
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Yes engineers grow on trees in abundance. A few thousand engineers and architects questioning the official 911 story is a big deal. And no they are not crackpots - you're reaching here Ozmo. Maybe you're the crackpot for believing 19 cave dwellers pulled off this 911 stunt?? I've said this before to Ropo and now you Ozmo. You're a tinfoil hat CT'er for believing the official fairy tail. And I would venture that you're probably also either very naive or not very bright if you insist on repeating the official crackpot narrative.
A few thousand engineers versus easily 2 million probably in the area of 10 million egineers worldwide makes the few thousand insignificant. Which means that IF there was something wrong with the 9/11 assessment far more than less than 1% would be questioning it. Which means your few thousand are straight up crack pots.
And 19 cave dwellers didn't pull off this stunt. So stop the hyperbole, if you had anything legitimate to argue you wouldn't to resport to lame ass labels like "19 cave dwellers"
You turthers are a joke.
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Yes, this is totally how it went down - not!
Epic guessing and brutal projection / reaching here and not relevant to the invisible plane in the Pentagon explosion footage. Or are you blind?? Forget about imagining how criminals get together and conspire, get your head out of the sand and look with your own eyes.
The two planes hitting the towers would have done the job as far as creating a reason to go to war, why go to all the trouble of controlled explosions?
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Forget all the talking points. Please explain how an invisible airliner crashed into the Pentagon. Just this one item alone debunks the official 911 "Fairy Tale".
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If you have to make a "doctored" video to compare to the actual video then it shaows how weak your argument is yet again.
The plane was traveling at 500+ MPH, with that low resolution you are not going to get any clear pic.
Of course for you truffers to believe that it was a missile then you must believe the hideous Evil syndicate that controls the world flew the plane to some deserted island where executed all the passengers and sunk the plane in the pacific ocean where they later put flight 370 right?
And the hundreds, if not thousands needed to pull off the conspiracy of the century have all keep quiet!
You truffers are a joke.
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Sheeple = Truffers
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Nice find
This shows the absurdity, insanity and just plain ignorance of Truffers.
Basically youtube addicted wanna be expert something or other crack pots in tin foil hats.
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If you have to make a "doctored" video to compare to the actual video then it shaows how weak your argument is yet again.
The plane was traveling at 500+ MPH, with that low resolution you are not going to get any clear pic.
Of course for you truffers to believe that it was a missile then you must believe the hideous Evil syndicate that controls the world flew the plane to some deserted island where executed all the passengers and sunk the plane in the pacific ocean where they later put flight 370 right?
And the hundreds, if not thousands needed to pull off the conspiracy of the century have all keep quiet!
You truffers are a joke.
Not to mention the man hours and men required to rig the buildings with explosives and not one person saw them.
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A few thousand engineers versus easily 2 million probably in the area of 10 million egineers worldwide makes the few thousand insignificant. Which means that IF there was something wrong with the 9/11 assessment far more than less than 1% would be questioning it. Which means your few thousand are straight up crack pots.
And 19 cave dwellers didn't pull off this stunt. So stop the hyperbole, if you had anything legitimate to argue you wouldn't to resport to lame ass labels like "19 cave dwellers"
You turthers are a joke.
How do you know 2 million or even 10 million engineers world wide agree with the official "Fairy Tale"? Many engineers probably disagree but are not coming forward for fear of losing contracts, clients or whatever. Not everyone is going to get involved in opposing this. But you cannot make this claim which you pulled out of your ass.
Keep being a crack pot - you're good at it! You tin foil hat nut!
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The two planes hitting the towers would have done the job as far as creating a reason to go to war, why go to all the trouble of controlled explosions?
How do you know that? Could be they wanted more assurance. Who knows? Trying to guess why they did this or that is irrelevant. That's like trying to figure out why a serial killer decided on killing 8 vs 10 or 20 people. All that matters is looking at the facts and the fact is a plane did not hit the Pentagon. End of story.
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If you have to make a "doctored" video to compare to the actual video then it shaows how weak your argument is yet again.
The plane was traveling at 500+ MPH, with that low resolution you are not going to get any clear pic.
Of course for you truffers to believe that it was a missile then you must believe the hideous Evil syndicate that controls the world flew the plane to some deserted island where executed all the passengers and sunk the plane in the pacific ocean where they later put flight 370 right?
And the hundreds, if not thousands needed to pull off the conspiracy of the century have all keep quiet!
You truffers are a joke.
Forget about clear pic. There are enough frames to show a small object streaking in and hitting the Pentagon and the explosion that follows. This small object is clearly visible. It is not large enough to be an airliner and does not have discerning features like wings and a tail. The doctored image is to illustrate what should have been visible in the video frames if an airliner flew into the Pentagon.
You don't know how many people would be required for such a conspiracy. Many could have been involved without knowing. Many could have been silenced or killed. The Taxi driver all but admitted his involvement. How would you Ozmoron know if someone that was involved was killed?? You would not have a fucking clue.
You're a crackpot conspiracy theorist. Take off your tin foil hat and start thinking for yourself.
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Not to mention the man hours and men required to rig the buildings with explosives and not one person saw them.
Susan Lindauer, former CIA asset, spoke out in 2001 about Israeli involvement in 9/11, the controlled demolition of the World Trade Center which involved trucks visiting the towers every night between 3am and 5am for around two weeks, and the specific, detailed foreknowledge of the time, target, and means of the 9/11 attacks held by the CIA throughout the months prior to 9/11.
https://thingseverybodyshouldknow.wordpress.com/tag/world-trade-center/ (https://thingseverybodyshouldknow.wordpress.com/tag/world-trade-center/)
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And the hundreds, if not thousands needed to pull off the conspiracy of the century have all keep quiet!
https://thingseverybodyshouldknow.wordpress.com/tag/world-trade-center/ (https://thingseverybodyshouldknow.wordpress.com/tag/world-trade-center/)
Numerous whistleblowers have claimed they have inside information about the cover-up.
Sibel Edmonds, the ex-FBI translator who told us Osama bin Laden worked for the US up until 9/11, has tried repeatedly to divulge information about foreknowledge of 9/11 and other issues, but repeatedly been gagged and censored.
Behrooz Sarshar, a former FBI language specialist, has told how he met Iranian sources who told him specifically that the attacks were going to happen and that the US government already knew.
Steven Pieczenik, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and current consultant to the Department of Defence, says that he’s prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag ‘inside job’.
J. Michael Springmann, official at the US consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, says that he repeatedly refused visas to suspicious and unskilled arabs who hadn’t even filled out their visa forms properly, only to have his rulings overturned by CIA case officers working in the consulate. Eleven of the hijackers got their visas through the Jeddah consulate. Springmann complained about this situation over and over again, but was ignored and eventually fired.
Kurt Sonnenfeld, a photographer for FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency), was the only photographer allowed at ‘ground zero’ during the clean up operation, and saw many things that made him question what really happened – for example relatively undamaged plane parts where the black boxes were apparently destroyed, and underground CIA vaults emptied of documents and evidence before the attacks. He never turned over his footage, and is currently in exile in Argentina while the US tries to extradite him on charges of a murder of which he was previously acquitted.
Robert Wright, an (ex) FBI agent, accuses his bosses and the US Justice Department of deliberately obstructing investigations that would have stopped the 9/11 plot. His colleague Kenneth Williams has a similar story.
Susan Lindauer, former CIA asset, spoke out in 2001 about Israeli involvement in 9/11, the controlled demolition of the World Trade Center which involved trucks visiting the towers every night between 3am and 5am for around two weeks, and the specific, detailed foreknowledge of the time, target, and means of the 9/11 attacks held by the CIA throughout the months prior to 9/11.
Timothy McNiven (also here), a United States Defense Department Intelligence Operative, was part of a military study in 1976 asked to identify security lapses which might enable terrorists to crash airliners into the twin towers. Some of the specifics of the ‘perfect terrorist attack’ they devised were that the terrorists could use boxcutters (plastic-handled craft-type knives), hijack transcontinental Boeings, and slash flight attendants’ throats in order to gain control. The study, which also involved members of the CIA, was performed ostensibly to identify corrective actions which would prevent such a disaster, yet 25 years later none of the proposed actions had been taken, and McNiven describes the attack they devised as “so similar to what happened Sept 11th that if it were song lyrics there would be copyright infringement”.
Dimitri A. Khalezov, a former officer the Soviet nuclear intelligence, officially known as the Special Control Service of the 12th Chief Directorate of the Defense Ministry, says that a certain infamous MOSSAD agent told him that he, personally, had organized the attacks, in which nukes beneath the buildings brought the towers down (this is consistent with the extremely high temperatures and molten metal under the buildings, as well as pits of molten rock which we were told were previously undiscovered glacial formations) and a Granit ‘Shipwrecker’ naval cruise missile, designed to strike aircraft carriers right at the waterline, had been used to strike the Pentagon (consistent with the extremely low entry point, lack of damage to the lawn and foundation, incredible punch out hole, and suspected presence of radioactive material).
Ted Gunderson (also here), former chief of the FBI, insists there’s no way US intelligence can have been in the dark about what was about to happen, and confirms US involvement in various other ‘terrorist’ attacks.
Further information and sources:
https://www.corbettreport.com/articles/20100305_911_whistleblowers.htm (https://www.corbettreport.com/articles/20100305_911_whistleblowers.htm)
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Granit ‘Shipwrecker’ naval cruise missile, designed to strike aircraft carriers right at the waterline, had been used to strike the Pentagon (consistent with the extremely low entry point, lack of damage to the lawn and foundation, incredible punch out hole, and suspected presence of radioactive material).
Videos to witnesses that saw this missle? I assume this missle would be fired from some kind of ship and travel over land to the Pentagon?
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Was 23fps a basic security camera for 2001?
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Obsidian:
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Videos to witnesses that saw this missle? I assume a this missle would be fired from some kind of ship and travel over land to the Pentagon?
I wondered this, too. Looks like the/a claim is that it was launched from a closed road.
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19 goat shepherds defeated a multi-billion dollar defense system, masterminded by a terrorist hidden in cave of a 3rd world country, and 3 steel skyscrapers came down due to fuel and office fire. The offical truffer story, and you are still owned!!!
completely untrue. that didn't happen. Its obvious you don't know what happened on 9/11
mean while
HAHAHAHAHAHA M4tad0r
http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-engineers-study-911-lessons-how-help-buildings-withstand-threats (http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-engineers-study-911-lessons-how-help-buildings-withstand-threats)
The great M4tad0r knows more than Stanford Engineering students and professors.
Hey Bozo the room temperature IQ guy, why don't you spell the beens on what happened that day according to the official conspiracy report of 9/11 then? It's obvious I'm pretty lost, and you have the inside scoop and could clarify for us who did 9/11 and how it went down.
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It's all fishy, just like Flight 800 being shot down.
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How do you know that? Could be they wanted more assurance. Who knows? Trying to guess why they did this or that is irrelevant. That's like trying to figure out why a serial killer decided on killing 8 vs 10 or 20 people. All that matters is looking at the facts and the fact is a plane did not hit the Pentagon. End of story.
now you just need to establish and prove what did hit the Pentagon.
The floors yours.
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Responding to El Diablo asshats comment: "How come all Jews that worked in the WTC happened to not be there that day"?
Now when I wonder how thinking Americans could re-elect Obama and believe the jews plotted against the US, I don't have to wonder. El Diablo and his buddies from Saudi who have never been seen again and the intelligence under a patriotic president made sure who our enemy was. Period. Believe it was the Jews Diablo and Ted Kennedy didn't drive that night either. It was a Jew named Barry Goldwater. Really. Pass it on...... Toolbox.
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The two planes hitting the towers would have done the job as far as creating a reason to go to war, why go to all the trouble of controlled explosions?
Watch the video below for a full explanation:
But the short story is, the twin towers were full of asbestos and would have cost billions of dollars to get rid of it. But because of it's size they could not be demolish them(legally) and because of the asbestos they couldn't be upgraded.
The port authority of NY took it to court to have the insurers paid for it, in which it dragged until may of 2001 believe it or not. By that time George Bush Junior had become our president, and Lary Silverstone and Frank Lowly had purchased the lease on this 2 worthless building and double the insurance policy against terrorist attacks.
And this is the reality that is beyond fiction, and people refuse to believe. They say is easier to keep the population dupe than to try make them understand they have be taken for a ride. Professional "wrasling" a la WWE been the perfect example of the perpetual stupidity a lot of people choose to live in our country.
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Watch the video below for a full explanation:
But the short story is, the twin towers were full of asbestos and would have cost billions of dollars to get rid of it. But because of it's size they could not be demolish them(legally) and because of the asbestos they couldn't be upgraded.
The port authority of NY took it to court to have the insurers paid for it, in which it dragged until may of 2001 believe it or not. By that time George Bush Junior had become our president, and Lary Silverstone and Frank Lowly had purchased the lease on this 2 worthless building and double the insurance policy against terrorist attacks.
And this is the reality that is beyond fiction, and people refuse to believe. They say is easier to keep the population dupe than to try make them understand they have be taken for a ride. Professional "wrasling" a la WWE been the perfect example of the perpetual stupidity a lot of people choose to live in our country.
Amazing that you had to create a gimmick to spew such hot garbage.
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Watch the video below for a full explanation:
But the short story is, the twin towers were full of asbestos and would have cost billions of dollars to get rid of it. But because of it's size they could not be demolish them(legally) and because of the asbestos they couldn't be upgraded.
The port authority of NY took it to court to have the insurers paid for it, in which it dragged until may of 2001 believe it or not. By that time George Bush Junior had become our president, and Lary Silverstone and Frank Lowly had purchased the lease on this 2 worthless building and double the insurance policy against terrorist attacks.
And this is the reality that is beyond fiction, and people refuse to believe. They say is easier to keep the population dupe than to try make them understand they have be taken for a ride. Professional "wrasling" a la WWE been the perfect example of the perpetual stupidity a lot of people choose to live in our country.
top tip, Youtube videos made by conspiracy theorists do not constitute evidence.
just think about this statement
But the short story is, the twin towers were full of asbestos and would have cost billions of dollars to get rid of it. But because of it's size they could not be demolish them(legally) and because of the asbestos they couldn't be upgraded.
It would have cost billions to demolish them but they couldnt have done it legally????
Could they demolish them or not you daft twat?
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I don't even know where this 'going to war' stuff comes from. There was a much bigger fish to fry, which was the ability for surveillance which hadn't previously existed.
War couldn't have been more than a minor side dish by comparison.
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Amazing that you had to create a gimmick to spew such hot garbage.
Facts:
The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey had been losing money on the towers for years because of low tenancy. The financial loss was the real issue. There was also another vital issue – asbestos! The towers had become an albatross sitting on the most valuable piece of real estate in the world. The Port Authority had three choices: sell or lease them, pay for expensive asbestos removal or demolish them. The Authority had tried for years but were unable to sell the buildings – after all, what fool would take on the liability of asbestos? They couldn’t demolish it. The health hazard of asbestos powder blanketing New York was legally unthinkable and totally out of the question. Expensive asbestos removal seemed to be the only option.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Spingola/deanna39.htm
“U.S. District Judge John W. Bissell in early February threw out the Port Authority of New York & New Jersey's final claims in a longstanding suit against dozens of insurers over coverage of more than $600 million in asbestos abatement costs at the World Trade Center, New York's three major airports and other Port Authority properties.”
“Granting summary judgment for the insurers in his May 1 ruling, Judge Bissell found among other things that the costs of removing asbestos do not constitute ‘physical loss or damage’ triggering coverage under the Port Authority's all-risk policies.”
“A Port Authority spokesman said the agency is reviewing the ruling and has not decided whether to appeal.”
“The ruling ends the trial phase of a decade-long court battle that began when the Port Authority sued its property insurers in 1991 in a New Jersey state court.
“The suit sought recovery of the Port Authority's huge expenses of removing asbestos from hundreds of properties ranging from the enormous World Trade Center complex-which represented more than $200 million of the abatement costs-to bridge and tunnel toll booths.”
http://www.newswithviews.com/Spingola/deanna39.htm
March 20, 2001 “Silverstein Properties, Inc., and Westfield America, Inc. will lease the Twin Towers, completed in 1972 at a cost of $370 million, and other portions of the complex in a deal worth approximately $3.2 billion – the city's richest real estate deal ever and one of the largest privatization initiatives in history.” The cost of this lease was for a fraction of their real value.
(referencing http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/silverstein.html)
http://www.newswithviews.com/Spingola/deanna39.htm
A federal jury on Monday ruled that the assault on the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center was in fact two occurrences for insurance purposes. The finding in U.S. District Court in Manhattan means leaseholder Larry Silverstein may collect up to $4.6 billion, according to reports. [Forbes.com 12/06/04]
Keep being a crack pot - you're good at it! You tin foil hat nut!!! Another goverment nutjob shill on display!!!
in a word:
OWNED!!!
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Facts:
The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey had been losing money on the towers for years because of low tenancy. The financial loss was the real issue. There was also another vital issue – asbestos! The towers had become an albatross sitting on the most valuable piece of real estate in the world. The Port Authority had three choices: sell or lease them, pay for expensive asbestos removal or demolish them. The Authority had tried for years but were unable to sell the buildings – after all, what fool would take on the liability of asbestos? They couldn’t demolish it. The health hazard of asbestos powder blanketing New York was legally unthinkable and totally out of the question. Expensive asbestos removal seemed to be the only option.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Spingola/deanna39.htm
“U.S. District Judge John W. Bissell in early February threw out the Port Authority of New York & New Jersey's final claims in a longstanding suit against dozens of insurers over coverage of more than $600 million in asbestos abatement costs at the World Trade Center, New York's three major airports and other Port Authority properties.”
“Granting summary judgment for the insurers in his May 1 ruling, Judge Bissell found among other things that the costs of removing asbestos do not constitute ‘physical loss or damage’ triggering coverage under the Port Authority's all-risk policies.”
“A Port Authority spokesman said the agency is reviewing the ruling and has not decided whether to appeal.”
“The ruling ends the trial phase of a decade-long court battle that began when the Port Authority sued its property insurers in 1991 in a New Jersey state court.
“The suit sought recovery of the Port Authority's huge expenses of removing asbestos from hundreds of properties ranging from the enormous World Trade Center complex-which represented more than $200 million of the abatement costs-to bridge and tunnel toll booths.”
http://www.newswithviews.com/Spingola/deanna39.htm
March 20, 2001 “Silverstein Properties, Inc., and Westfield America, Inc. will lease the Twin Towers, completed in 1972 at a cost of $370 million, and other portions of the complex in a deal worth approximately $3.2 billion – the city's richest real estate deal ever and one of the largest privatization initiatives in history.” The cost of this lease was for a fraction of their real value.
(referencing http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/silverstein.html)
http://www.newswithviews.com/Spingola/deanna39.htm
A federal jury on Monday ruled that the assault on the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center was in fact two occurrences for insurance purposes. The finding in U.S. District Court in Manhattan means leaseholder Larry Silverstein may collect up to $4.6 billion, according to reports. [Forbes.com 12/06/04]
Keep being a crack pot - you're good at it! You tin foil hat nut!!! Another goverment nutjob shill on display!!!
in a word:
OWNED!!!
Feel free to post your parent's address so we'll know what basement you are posting from
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Feel free to post your parent's address so we'll know what basement you are posting from
And this is the reality that is beyond fiction, and people refuse to believe. They say is easier to keep the population dupe than to try make them understand they have be taken for a ride. Professional "wrasling" a la WWE been the perfect example of the perpetual stupidity a lot of people choose to live in our country.
We can keep this all day until somebody is ban here, but you are still OWNED!!!
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And this is the reality that is beyond fiction, and people refuse to believe. They say is easier to keep the population dupe than to try make them understand they have be taken for a ride. Professional "wrasling" a la WWE been the perfect example of the perpetual stupidity a lot of people choose to live in our country.
We can keep this all day until somebody is ban here, but you are still OWNED!!!
Proof!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7l8dx-h8M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7l8dx-h8M)
OWNED!!!!
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Proof!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7l8dx-h8M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7l8dx-h8M)
OWNED!!!!
This Silverstone individual tried to double dip on the tragedy of that day:
Facts again:
World Trade Center owner Larry Silverstein – who confessed on national television to “pulling” World Trade Center Building 7 – will appear in the courtroom of Judge Alvin Hellerstein at 500 Pearl St. in New York City. The non-jury trial, which is expected to last three days, will decide whether Silverstein is entitled to recover $3.5 billion from airlines and airport-related companies, in addition to the $4.9 billion he has already received for his “losses” on September 11th.
https://www.darkmoon.me/2013/will-larry-silverstein-ever-be-brought-to-justice-for-911-insurance-fraud-by-dr-kevin-barrett/
Fictional hot garbage, eh?
Forever OWNED!!!
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This Silverstone individual tried to double dip on the tragedy of that day:
Facts again:
World Trade Center owner Larry Silverstein – who confessed on national television to “pulling” World Trade Center Building 7 – will appear in the courtroom of Judge Alvin Hellerstein at 500 Pearl St. in New York City. The non-jury trial, which is expected to last three days, will decide whether Silverstein is entitled to recover $3.5 billion from airlines and airport-related companies, in addition to the $4.9 billion he has already received for his “losses” on September 11th.
https://www.darkmoon.me/2013/will-larry-silverstein-ever-be-brought-to-justice-for-911-insurance-fraud-by-dr-kevin-barrett/
Fictional hot garbage, eh?
Forever OWNED!!!
Darkmoon.me ???
Seems legit to me... ::) ::) ::)
EDIT:
Dr Lasha Darkmoon (b.1978) is an anglo-American ex-academic with higher degrees in Classics whose political articles have been translated into several languages. Most of these can be found at The Occidental Observer and The TruthSeeker, but others on a variety of different topics—such as philosophy, religion, art and poetry—will be found here. This website, darkmoon.me, which is named after Lasha Darkmoon but is owned and edited entirely by her cousin John Scott Montecristo, is now within the top 1 percent of websites in the world according to the Alexa ranking system.
Because of her radical political ideas in regard to 9-11 and the role played by organized Jewry in international affairs—ideas that would alienate her friends and family and make them ostracize her—Lasha Darkmoon is forced to conceal her true identity at the present time under a pen name.
Indian mysticism remains Lasha Darkmoon’s chief influence. Though echoes of her favorite poets—Blake, Keats, Baudelaire, Yeats, and TS Eliot—may sometimes be heard in her verse, Darkmoon’s work is marked above all by a lush exoticism and otherworldliness.
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Typical goverment shill tactic, when one can't refute the facts, attack the messenger:
Facts:
Insurance dispute
The insurance policies for World Trade Center buildings 1 WTC, 2 WTC, 4 WTC and 5 WTC had a collective face amount of $3.55 billion. Following the September 11, 2001, attacks, Silverstein sought to collect double the face amount (~$7.1 billion) on the basis that the two separate airplane strikes into two separate buildings constituted two occurrences within the meaning of the policies. The insurance companies took the opposite view, and the matter went to court. Based on differences in the definition of "occurrence" (the insurance policy term governing the amount of insurance) and uncertainties over which definition of "occurrence" applied, the court split the insurers into two groups for jury trials on the question of which definition of "occurrence" applied and whether the insurance contracts were subject to the "one occurrence" interpretation or the "two occurrence" interpretation.
The first trial resulted in a verdict on April 29, 2004, that 10 of the insurers in this group were subject to the "one occurrence" interpretation, so their liability was limited to the face value of those policies, and 3 insurers were added to the second trial group.[23][24] The jury was unable to reach a verdict on one insurer, Swiss Reinsurance, at that time, but did so several days later on May 3, 2004, finding that this company was also subject to the "one occurrence" interpretation.[25] Silverstein appealed the Swiss Re decision, but lost that appeal on October 19, 2006.[26] The second trial resulted in a verdict on December 6, 2004, that 9 insurers were subject to the "two occurrences" interpretation and, therefore, liable for a maximum of double the face value of those particular policies ($2.2 billion).[27] The total potential payout, therefore, was capped at $4.577 billion for buildings 1, 2, 4, and 5.[28] An appraisal followed to determine the value of the insured loss.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Silverstein
Who has the gimmick accounts here? Ropo, Ozmo, Yamcha, and the list just keeps getting bigger. Would anybody else would like to tag in with this looser?
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At the end of the day, my main point stands and is the fact that on 9/11 of 2001 was a day that defied the laws of physics.
One of our tallest skyscraper disintegrated in an unbelievable 12 seconds because of debilitated steel due to jet fuel and office fire and it's construction on a prefabricated modular pieces.
Some how that day 15 floors crushed 95 floors straight to it's base, taking the path of most resistance straight down almost at the speed of gravity, disintegrating concrete and lunching steel been 600 yards to the side.
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At the end of the day, my main point stands and is the fact that on 9/11 of 2001 was a day that defied the laws of physics.
One of our tallest skyscraper disintegrated in an unbelievable 12 seconds because of debilitated steel due to jet fuel and office fire and it's construction on a prefabricated modular pieces.
Some how that day 15 floors crushed 95 floors straight to it's base, taking the path of most resistance straight down almost at the speed of gravity, disintegrating concrete and lunching steel been 600 yards to the side.
I don't think you understand how a progressive collapse works. :-\
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Typical goverment shill tactic, when one can't refute the facts, attack the messenger:
Who has the gimmick accounts here? Ropo, Ozmo, Yamcha, and the list just keeps getting bigger. Would anybody else would like to tag in with this looser?
Can't really "Refute the facts" from the opinion piece from a woman named Darkmoon.
(http://nebula.wsimg.com/daa7e08c582dc8b4ed3e2655c7e75f67?AccessKeyId=2D2B4FC01541AA43CD8A&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)
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I don't even know where this 'going to war' stuff comes from. There was a much bigger fish to fry, which was the ability for surveillance which hadn't previously existed.
War couldn't have been more than a minor side dish by comparison.
Survey who?
You to see what you are looking for on the internet or where you do your shopping, why the fuck do you think people are interested in surveying and spying on people FFS.
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At the end of the day, my main point stands and is the fact that on 9/11 of 2001 was a day that defied the laws of physics.
One of our tallest skyscraper disintegrated in an unbelievable 12 seconds because of debilitated steel due to jet fuel and office fire and it's construction on a prefabricated modular pieces.
Some how that day 15 floors crushed 95 floors straight to it's base, taking the path of most resistance straight down almost at the speed of gravity, disintegrating concrete and lunching steel been 600 yards to the side.
look dickhead, I posted this before, read it.
http://www.debunking911.com/firsttime.htm
and seeing as you like videos as proof
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Survey who?
You to see what you are looking for on the internet or where you do your shopping, why the fuck do you think people are interested in surveying and spying on people FFS.
Anyone desiring to work in the political realm, and most certainly to do that for the worse, has every conceivable reason to want every bit of information in existence.
Please tell me you are kidding.
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Anyone desiring to work in the political realm, and most certainly to do that for the worse, has every conceivable reason to want every bit of information in existence.
Please tell me you are kidding.
to do what with , and why would you need to blow up two buildings in order to do it.
Fuck me, everyone with a computer has an IP address and enough cookies loaded up for anyone to spy on you if they wanted to.
Google has all your internet history and every page you have ever visited from now until the end of time.
Fucking lol....
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to do what with , and why would you need to blow up two buildings in order to do it.
Fuck me, everyone with a computer has an IP address and enough cookies loaded up for anyone to spy on you if they wanted to.
Google has all your internet history and every page you have ever visited from now until the end of time.
Fucking lol....
To make it legal. That's why.
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To make it legal. That's why.
They make the laws you daft twat, they can make anything legal with the stroke of a pen, why do they need to fly planes into buildings.
Fuck me do you ever think things through?
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They make the laws you daft twat, they can make anything legal with the stroke of a pen, why do they need to fly planes into buildings.
Fuck me do you ever think things through?
Through what rationale could that be done, other than for our safety?
Name one thing.
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Through what rationale could that be done, other than for our safety?
Name one thing.
They could pass a bill tomorrow saying all computers will be monitored and all your activity logged to eliminate the risk to children from pedophiles.
Would anyone argue against that?
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They could pass a bill tomorrow saying all computers will be monitored and all your activity logged to eliminate the risk to children from pedophiles.
Would anyone argue against that?
So another angle "for our safety", isn't that correct?
Why now (then)?
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They make the laws you daft twat, they can make anything legal with the stroke of a pen, why do they need to fly planes into buildings.
Fuck me do you ever think things through?
Laws aren't created that way. Learn how the system works.
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Patiently awaits videos of witnesses that saw the missle flying towards the Pentagon....
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Responding to El Diablo asshats comment: "How come all Jews that worked in the WTC happened to not be there that day"?
Now when I wonder how thinking Americans could re-elect Obama and believe the jews plotted against the US, I don't have to wonder. El Diablo and his buddies from Saudi who have never been seen again and the intelligence under a patriotic president made sure who our enemy was. Period. Believe it was the Jews Diablo and Ted Kennedy didn't drive that night either. It was a Jew named Barry Goldwater. Really. Pass it on...... Toolbox.
Obviously they didn't teach English in your chabat school. At least most Americans are seeing through the bullshit veil of Jews portraying the victim when they are the biggest shit disturbers on the planet. Just so you know. I'm not friends with Saudis. Can't stand those rich fucking pigs who push religion on their people to oppress them yet drink, take drugs , fuck whores and live opposite the rules they try to push on their nation.
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Laws aren't created that way. Learn how the system works.
http://www.out-law.com/page-7767
and to simplify
If a bill has passed in both the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate and has been approved by the President, or if a presidential veto has been overridden, the bill becomes a law and is enforced by the government.
so yes, thats exactly how laws are passed, now bearing in mind all the people making decisions on laws are simply puppets and are only in the jobs there are in because they get appointed they will pretty much do as they are told by the man at the top.
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Obviously they didn't teach English in your chabat school. At least most Americans are seeing through the bullshit veil of Jews portraying the victim when they are the biggest shit disturbers on the planet. Just so you know. I'm not friends with Saudis. Can't stand those rich fucking pigs who push religion on their people to oppress them yet drink, take drugs , fuck whores and live opposite the rules they try to push on their nation.
and apart from moaning on the internet what are they actually doing about it?
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Where are the fucking witnesses ??????
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look dickhead, I posted this before, read it.
http://www.debunking911.com/firsttime.htm
and seeing as you like videos as proof
Proof that retards that defend the goverment version do not understand what they post, and are blind sheep following their master.
In the video above we see a tall building partially collapse after been extensively on fire. Get with the program retards, after extensive hours, aka more than 4-6 hours that is what it took 2 skyscrapers and building 7 to implode on it's own footprint. I know reading and comprehension is extremely hard with people now a days, but understand the material in the videos that you put up and how it compares with my main point.
The building in Madrid was on fire for over 24 hours. Do you understand? And it did not implode in 12 seconds and did not turned concrete into dust and lunched steel beens 600 yard to the side, please put more videos up so I can keep debunking your stupidity.
Owning frail minds is just to easy now a days with the internet.
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Proof that retards that defend the goverment version do not understand what they post, and are blind sheep following their master.
In the video above we see a tall building partially collapse after been extensively on fire. Get with the program retards, after extensive hours, aka more than 4-6 hours that is what it took 2 skyscrapers and building 7 to implode on it's won footprint. I know reading and comprehension is extremely hard with people now a days, but understand the material in the videos that you put up and how it compares with my main point.
The building in Madrid was on fire for over 24 hours. Do you understand? And it did not implode in 12 seconds and did not turned concrete into dust and lunched steel beens 600 yard to the side, please put more videos up so I can keep debunking your stupidity.
Owning frail minds is just to easy now a days with the internet.
so your vids of no missile hitting the pentagon prove that a missile hit the pentagon but my videos are not to be believed.
Gotcha.
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so your vids of no missile hitting the pentagon prove that a missile hit the pentagon but my videos are not to be believed.
Gotcha.
I know reading and comprehension is extremely hard with people now a days, but understand what you put up and how it compares with my main point.
At the end of the day, my main point stands and is the fact that on 9/11 of 2001 was a day that defied the laws of physics.
One of our tallest skyscraper disintegrated in an unbelievable 12 seconds because of debilitated steel due to jet fuel and office fire and it's construction on a prefabricated modular pieces.
Some how that day 15 floors crushed 95 floors straight to it's base, taking the path of most resistance straight down almost at the speed of gravity, disintegrating concrete and lunching steel been 600 yards to the side.
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I know reading and comprehension is extremely hard with people now a days, but understand what you put up and how it compares with my main point.
At the end of the day, my main point stands and is the fact that on 9/11 of 2001 was a day that defied the laws of physics.
One of our tallest skyscraper disintegrated in an unbelievable 12 seconds because of debilitated steel due to jet fuel and office fire and it's construction on a prefabricated modular pieces.
Some how that day 15 floors crushed 95 floors straight to it's base, taking the path of most resistance straight down almost at the speed of gravity, disintegrating concrete and lunching steel been 600 yards to the side.
But you're wrong, plain and simple. You absolutely refuse to see facts, that makes you a fucking idiot. Talking about missles and controlled demolitions.....moron.
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can´t see a missile hitting the Pentagon. Even in my days in the Field we had Rapier and something else i can´t remember now launched from the shoulder.. 10 Battery RA gave us Air Defence. No way the Pentagon was hit by a Missile. They get a warning signal. In these modern times it is very accurate.
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"Javelin" was the shoulder launched system. Rapier is still in use. No way the Pentagon was hit with a missile. These Field weapons used by us in the 80s and 90s were good in the Field but can you imagine what watches the Pentagon now?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapier_(missile)
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Rapier
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http://www.out-law.com/page-7767
and to simplify
so yes, thats exactly how laws are passed, now bearing in mind all the people making decisions on laws are simply puppets and are only in the jobs there are in because they get appointed they will pretty much do as they are told by the man at the top.
That's not a stroke of a pen as you explained.
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Where are the fucking witnesses ??????
Dead,gitmo, detention centers and Dubai.
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Something about this seems scripted? Fake? Feels like a production. Sell phones did not have video cameras like that back in the day so she using some type of video camera? I'm not saying it's not real it seems like a production to me
I have been busy so haven't been here for a while. Fuck me but did people lose brain cells in my absence? Sell phone? Sell phone? Are you a fucking retard using voice to text or just that stupid? I am guessing just that stupid if you think "oh my god....oh my god... it's a terrorist...oh my god" seems like production value material to you.
You think in a city with 10 million inhabitants, and a higher amount of daily tourists and workers, that even before camera phones were common a few people, in one of the richest cities on earth, might not record on a camcorder (google it if you don't know the invention) one of the most outstanding moments in a generation?
Must be a conspiracy.
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Dead,gitmo, detention centers and Dubai.
Lol along with the crews that planted the explosives in the towers?
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Patiently awaits videos of witnesses that saw the missle flying towards the Pentagon....
There are millions. Here you see the missile flying into the Pentagon yourself lol! It's obviously not a plane, yet still you are in denial.
(http://montalk.net/four_per_second.gif)
The used a decoy plane to fly over the Pentagon just as the Pentagon was hit by a missile / drone or whatever could have been used. So most people near the Pentagon saw and heard a plane. A plane was seen in the skies over the Pentagon after the impact and was even captured on video and reported on by Anderson Cooper.
The decoy plane was a perfect distraction and helped convince witnesses that this was the object that crashed into the Pentagon.
(http://www.whale.to/c/pentagonpic7x6x51mm.jpg)
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what ever you think happened on that day(terrorists, US gov, Israel, blind eye, etc.) NO ONE can say a plane hit the Pentagon.
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"Javelin" was the shoulder launched system. Rapier is still in use. No way the Pentagon was hit with a missile. These Field weapons used by us in the 80s and 90s were good in the Field but can you imagine what watches the Pentagon now?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapier_(missile)
Yes, of all the videos watching the Pentagon we have one low frame, low resolution angle showing an object that is not a plane hitting the Pentagon.
I am not an expert on rocket launchers but I am sure there are some badass shoulder launchers that the government has access to. Check out this Atomic cannon!
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Lol along with the crews that planted the explosives in the towers?
Did you not watch the video in this thread about the Israeli "art students" in New York?
(https://kendoc911.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/artstudentspic4.jpg)
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??? Bb8
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There are millions.
Patiently waiting for those witnesses to step forward. :)
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Might be mistaken but I believe there were witnesses to say the plane continued north and even picked up over highway sign. Will look later, but I believe it included a Citgo employee who had the best view, and possibly more than one member of PD.
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Did you not watch the video in this thread about the Israeli "art students" in New York?
(https://kendoc911.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/artstudentspic4.jpg)
Don't forget those nancies in Liberty Park. And their "boss" was allowed to run away overseas after tearing out the phones and abandoning his customers' belongings in storage. He dropped everything, literally. That shit is crazy.
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Patiently waiting for those witnesses to step forward. :)
Good luck with that ;D
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I know reading and comprehension is extremely hard with people now a days, but understand what you put up and how it compares with my main point.
At the end of the day, my main point stands and is the fact that on 9/11 of 2001 was a day that defied the laws of physics.
One of our tallest skyscraper disintegrated in an unbelievable 12 seconds because of debilitated steel due to jet fuel and office fire and it's construction on a prefabricated modular pieces.
Some how that day 15 floors crushed 95 floors straight to it's base, taking the path of most resistance straight down almost at the speed of gravity, disintegrating concrete and lunching steel been 600 yards to the side.
err, no, because it took 15 seconds for the building to fall, gravity dictates that something free-falling that distance would take 9 seconds..
I bet you have only ever read whats written on conspiracy sites, thats how conspiracy theorists work, their Google searches are only ever going to end up one way and thats finding all the quack sites with disinformation.
Try Googling 9/11 debunked or 9/11 conspiracy bullshit.
There are lots of sites disproving all the nonsense written about 9/11, but i suppose you being "in the know" about what really happened makes you feel special and superior, which is exactly what people who believe in conspiracy theories believe.
https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/911nutphysics.htm
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Ropo, over time, you've repeatedly said that "no explosions" occurred.
Does that mean you believe that the escaped fuel (all of it) survived the trip down the elevator shafts without being ignited?
When I say no explosions occurred, I mean that there isn't any reason to believe that any kind of explosion was taken place at any of the video material filmed at 9/11/2001 terrorist act. I have asked plenty of times some evidence which would prove there was, but since 2001 I haven't seen any. Only reason how this could be possible is that there wasn't any, because you simply can't hide the explosions which has enough energy to cut massive steel columns. Instead of proving these explosions, foil hat morons put all their effort to flood this thread with the nonsense and pure crap, calling me names etc. but you never see the evidence about the explosions. Do you need a better prove that there wasn't any explosions at all? Really?
And where did you get such a moronic idea? Is there really somebody as stupid as he have to be to think something like that? Only thing which even faintly look something like a movie explosion, is the moment you see how the kerosene ignite. Lot of the kerosene burn in that flash because the crash sprayed it in the air, but some of it went down the shaft burning already and spreading the fire. Role of kerosene was to ignite the fire in the building, and fire load of the building kept the fire going until collapse. That's why only idiots talk about kerosene melting steel, which never happen. Building was full of offices, filled with burning material, paper, wood, plastic, fabrics etc. and by that it accumulates great fire load per square meter of the space. The reason why foil hats never talk about this fact is simple: These fuckers doesn't understand it. They have never heard about it, they doesn't know the meaning of the expression, so it is just another real life fact what these morons ignore. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_loading (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_loading)
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Remember he's not an American, so what the fuck would he know about our country.
What a fucking imbecile argument. I ask you to prove that there were explosions, and all you can do is prove yourself to be a complete idiot. Is that all you can? I mean it seem to be, if you have to use arguments like that ;D
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9/11 Experiments The Force Behind
What a bullshit. Try this instead:
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You must be confused. I love my country, I did serve and ready to serve and protect this great country of ours and it's constitution. What I will not do is to continue to support our corrupted goverment, and those psychopaths in Washington D.C. for having us paying taxes so they can enrich themselves through the military industrial complex while destroying countries and having our people die in foreign lands.
What a load of crap in one short statement. Since when they have taken children to serve USA? And by your statements you seem to be pro muslim, pro Nazi, pro foil hat moron and one of the mentally ill fuckers who hate their country because they are believing all the internet crap without even asking any evidence to prove it. All foil hat morons should be shot as traitors of the country because you are just that.
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Link to missle witnesses?
You will never see such thing..
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The firemen on the scene all heard explosions. ALL WTC buildings collapsed at free-fall speed. Your histrionics and semantics are absolutely ridiculous.
(http://loveforlife.com.au/files/911%208.jpg)
But dear child, it isn't what you say you have heard, it's what you can prove. You can't hide the explosions by reasons which are so fucking obvious to all sane people, so where we can see them? Skip all this nonsense, show me the explosions in any fucking video which has been filmed at the 9/11 attack? It seem to me that you use any fucking way to not to do it, but unfortunately it will be your only way to prove there were explosions. So where we can see them? Simple question, which you haven't being able to answer. Why? BECAUSE THERE WASN'T ANY..You see, I have proved the absence of the explosions plenty of times, and it is clear fact that there isn't any. Now would be good time to prove me wrong, so why don't you do it? Just humiliate crap out from me by proving those explosions? I have asked so many times, and you haven't done it. Why? I have driven you to moronic rage, but the yelling, crying and spitting is all what you are able to do?
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this is a fantastic clip :o
Maybe, if you are an imbecile, drooling on your shoes. For everyone else it is just another foil hat bullshit video, with nothing to do with the reality. instead of that crap, why don't you focus to find those missing explosions? Before you have proved them, it is futile to continue that crap.
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Huh? WTC-7 didn't fall at 5:20 PM. It was early in the morning.
Well, bullshit is bullshit, so what? These morons are literally too stupid to even lie correctly, so what you can expect from them? If you remove all impossible things, ridiculous errors and misconceptions, there isn't anything left in their theories. ;D
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Just claims and opinions. HOW CAN THIS VIDEO BE CLAIMS AND OPINIONS, YOU RETARDED PIECE OF SHIT, DID YOU NOT WATCH THE ENTIRE VIDEO? IT SHOWS CLEARLY AS DAY WHERE THE PLANE HIT THE BUILDING AND THE TINY PART THAT THE TOP 15 FLOORS REPRESENTED VS THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
Simple. It isn't at it's original form, but edited to present an opinion of the editors.
HOW THAT FUCK CAN 15 FLOORS CRUSH 90-95 FLOORS IN STRAIGHT LINE DOWN TO IT'S BASE, PULVERIZING CONCRETE AND LUNCHING STEEL BEENS 600 YARD TO THE SIDE IN A STAGGERING 12 FUCKING SECONDS? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE BASIC LAWS OF PHYSICS YOU FUCKING INBREED!!!!
So you mean that if you are too fucking stupid to understand how, it has to be conspiracy? No, you are just too stupid, because you are believing massive explosions without seeing even faintest evidence of anything like one. Don't speak me about the laws of physic's while you can't even name them at the correct order without looking it up from the Wikipedia. I bet that you don't even know the definition of the words they use to explain them.
HOW CAN 15000 POUNDS CRUSH 90000 POUNDS WITH NO ACCELARATION IN BETWEEN BECAUSE OF DEBILITATED STEEL ALL THE WAY UP IN THE 90-95 FLOOR? PROVIDE US WITH ANY VIDEO WITH A SITUATION SIMILAR IN WHICH A SKYSCRAPER ON FIRE OBLITERATE ITS SELF TO IT'S BASE? !!!![/b]
15000 pounds? Weight of the shadow of your fat ass maybe? 15000 lb = 33040 kilos, aka 33 tons, and the falling piece of WTC 1 has weight of 100 000 metric tons at least? Empty weight of the building was estimated to be 500 000 metric tons + furniture, the archives, the people etc. etc. adding hundred of tons of weight. And no acceleration? Well, if we doesn't count the fall through the at least two floors which were crushed by aeroplane, and if we are fucking idiots, we can say so. In the reality, it has height of at least two floors to acceleration, meaning 10 meters which it travels in two seconds. All this is proved by the videos, so what you are talking about? Use your knowledge of the laws of physics to calculate the kinetic energy what the top of the tower have after that acceleration, and prove it isn't enough?
In the videos of demolitions of huge buildings, do we see any huge explosion before the buildings collapse on it's self? If not sure what I'm talking about, go to youtube and watch demolitions of hotels in Vegas and come back and post them where it show us those huge explosions that you speak of before the building are brought down.
Where is the line between the stupid and the mentally handicapped person? I believe you have past it already. In exactly where we can see controlled demolition made by the morons, who doesn't use any blasting protection to prevent the debris to kill bystanders? You see, when real explosive detonates, everything around it start to move with the speed of 7000 - 14 000 meter per second. The air, walls, bricks and plaster will fly at this speed in every direction possible, so to prevent any accidents they use protective mats and such. So what? SO WHY THERE WASN'T ANY AT THE RUINS OF WTC TOWERS? These mats are made to be explosion proof, so there would be tons of them in the ruins, because they doesn't pulverize. There wasn't any, period. I know you fools love to watch the videos, so here is one for you. Just concentrate to two first things you see or hear and which prove there were an explosion:
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Actually, many witnesses on the bridge witnessed a 757 yawing back and forth, knocking down light poles, and then crashing into the side of the Pentagon. :-\
But what the reality has ever meant to these morons? ;D
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What a load of crap in one short statement. Since when they have taken children to serve USA? And by your statements you seem to be pro muslim, pro Nazi, pro foil hat moron and one of the mentally ill fuckers who hate their country because they are believing all the internet crap without even asking any evidence to prove it. All foil hat morons should be shot as traitors of the country because you are just that.
The US launched an illegal war of aggression on a sovereign state which killed and maimed many innocent people and destroyed many lives and a functioning country.
But many Americans do not care and conveniently forget about the hundreds of thousands of innocent people their government have killed and all the tragedies and misery they have caused.
Their illegal war led to the formation of ISIL and the entire destabilization of the region and the illegal immigrant influx into Europe.
In Iraq, all the destroyed infrastructure was rebuilt by American contractors.
If only Al Queda had been targeted, then the secular regimes in the region could have kept order, now there is only chaos, war and death.
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All 3 buildings fell at near free fall speed. That defies physics, unless there was no resistance from the floors beneath.....why was there no resistance? Controlled demolition...period. Larry Silverstein said it himself.. He said they decided to "pull" WTC 7. That means controlled demo, which means the building was rigged for controlled demolition. Now stop and think, why would a building be rigged for controlled demo? That's not something that's just done when the building is built. All the dust seen is called pyroclastic flow from pulverized concrete due to a controlled demolition.. There are some incredibly naive and uneducated individuals in this thread. Do some reading... Architects, engineers, pilots, military generals all believe the official story is total shit. Our government did this.
No. Foil hats say they fell like that, but as always, there isn't any real prove about that, only claims. And no, it doesn't prove anything, because it is a lie. Controlled demolition means tons of explosives, and while years go by, no one has been able to prove even one explosion in any 9/11 video, so it is all just lies. Now stop and think: there were columns with the mass of 1.2 tons per meter to be blast to smithereens INSIDE the building, and not even a puff of smoke comes to outside, windows doesn't break and so on. If someone would come and tell you that it is possible to explode tons of explosives inside the glass house without breaking the windows, you would told him to shut the fuck up and call him stupid. When you see that same lie in this frame of reference, you believe it with no hesitation at all? What is the matter with you? No brains at all? ;D
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Since the Federal Reserve had vaults below ground under the towers maybe the buildings were always rigged as a fail safe in case of some elaborate attempt to break-in, loot or steak. Sort of a doomsday scenario. The Feds would rather collapse the buildings ensuring the billions in gold stored there would be safe from looters. Could be once the planes hit they knew the gold and money in the vaults were at risk so they "pulled it" and brought them down to protect it. Remember the Hierarchy in America is Federal Reserve --> military --> Government.
But as you know, this kind of bullshit has no meaning at all before you have proved that there were explosions at the WTC towers, and there isn't any evidence about that. Why it is so hard to you guys to prove that controlled demolition which is by far the most important detail in your theory? Can you explain that? Along with all other morons, you can't prove even one explosion at any 9/11 video material, so why don't you shut the fuck up? ;D
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But some people claim it was a missle. Where'd the missle come from? Where are the people that saw it? Was it invisible?
As for the buildings falling at free fall speed, that's just not true.
Missile which can fly like an aeroplane, carry a 10 tons of kerosene while it is 12 feet long tiny little thing? Good luck for believing that crap. There is people who are believing the unicorns, leprechauns and such, and I think they are smarter than these idiots, who are able to mix 12 feet long missile and 148 feet long Boeing 757 ;D
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The couple in this thread who champion the official story are plainly idiots or just trolling.
No rational, thinking, intelligent human cannot see the very obvious horseshit in what is told as "the story".
Three steel buildings collapsing perfectly onto themselves, one that wasn't even hit by a plane, just "falling debris, bro!" ... LOL
Nonsense.
So your blind faith proves more than fact's? You can prove it all by proving that there were explosions at the WTC towers, so why don't you? Why this, which is by far the easiest way to prove the conspiracy, isn't even an option in these conversations? Can you explain that? NO? LOL, what an imbecile.. ;D
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I'd actually have to put effort into finding the link now, but when it was calculated freefall speed would have collapsed the buildings in just under 8 seconds if memory serves.
In other words, you can't find it because there is so much of the bullshit about the matter. To calculate the falling speed from the video you need a fixed camera which doesn't move, doesn't zoom at all, a fixed object to comparison and you have to know the exact frame speed and such to even think you would get nothing but estimates.. What foil hats usually use were seismic charts about the happening, which brings one little problem. You see, seismic chart doesn't know when the fall starts, because there isn't anything which would move the needle on the chart. In the chart you see only the vibrations of the ground, but when the towers start to fall, what would vibrate so much that there would be something to mark in the chart 30 miles away? In first seconds, nothing, so all the claims of the speeds of falling objects in this frame of reference are just estimates, made by idiots who try to lie to you.
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The US launched an illegal war of aggression on a sovereign state which killed and maimed many innocent people and destroyed many lives and a functioning country.
But many Americans do not care and conveniently forget about the hundreds of thousands of innocent people their government have killed and all the tragedies and misery they have caused.
Their illegal war led to the formation of ISIL and the entire destabilization of the region and the illegal immigrant influx into Europe.
In Iraq, all the destroyed infrastructure was rebuilt by American contractors.
If only Al Queda had been targeted, then the secular regimes in the region could have kept order, now there is only chaos, war and death.
wait, an illegal war, I thought the government had to bring down the trade centre to make snooping on the web legal.
Now they just go to war on a whim even though its illegal ???
Wheres the consistency?
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How does one legally enter a war?
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When I say no explosions occurred, I mean that there isn't any reason to believe that any kind of explosion was taken place at any of the video material filmed at 9/11/2001 terrorist act. I have asked plenty of times some evidence which would prove there was, but since 2001 I haven't seen any. Only reason how this could be possible is that there wasn't any, because you simply can't hide the explosions which has enough energy to cut massive steel columns. Instead of proving these explosions, foil hat morons put all their effort to flood this thread with the nonsense and pure crap, calling me names etc. but you never see the evidence about the explosions. Do you need a better prove that there wasn't any explosions at all? Really?
And where did you get such a moronic idea? Is there really somebody as stupid as he have to be to think something like that? Only thing which even faintly look something like a movie explosion, is the moment you see how the kerosene ignite. Lot of the kerosene burn in that flash because the crash sprayed it in the air, but some of it went down the shaft burning already and spreading the fire. Role of kerosene was to ignite the fire in the building, and fire load of the building kept the fire going until collapse. That's why only idiots talk about kerosene melting steel, which never happen. Building was full of offices, filled with burning material, paper, wood, plastic, fabrics etc. and by that it accumulates great fire load per square meter of the space. The reason why foil hats never talk about this fact is simple: These fuckers doesn't understand it. They have never heard about it, they doesn't know the meaning of the expression, so it is just another real life fact what these morons ignore. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_loading (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_loading)
IMO, the falling fuel (lots of it, combined with a long space to travel and as much as a static charge in that confined area) would create explosions like a mothrfuckr. And it would blast through all sorts of shit very neatly just as the floors are arranged, thanks to elevator doors being on every floor.
There were firefighters in a panic and questioning whether explosives had been placed, due to what they were seeing.
For me, that's a satisfactory explanation when it comes to the explosions.
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wait, an illegal war, I thought the government had to bring down the trade centre to make snooping on the web legal.
Now they just go to war on a whim even though its illegal ???
Wheres the consistency?
Iraq had nothing to do with the world trade center.
A fake story of 'weapons of mass destruction' was concocted to invade them.
In terms of Iraq, the US were the terrorists.
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Here's the info I mentioned last night. Sgt. William Lagasse, Edward Paik, Robert Turcio, Sgt. Chadwick Brooks, possibly among others. The cops are with the Pentagon Police.
Just shows it isn't as simple as some would say.
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I'd say it's possible the Doomsday Plane was in the vicinity of 77 for a minute or two.
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IMO we started destabilizing nations in order to keep the show going. It wasn't "incompetence" or a case of "unintended consequences" time and again, no. Not at all.
That's one of the main reasons we need to make adjustments to allow the families of 9/11 to get their justice. It will force these corrupt administrations (Obama included, big fucking time) to watch their shit, and it will allow for more judicial oversight on our policy decisions -- rather than having a criminal executive branch doing what they will with our foreign policy.
Absolutely NO valid argument against allowing those families to recover from the people who helped cause this. None.
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Here's the info I mentioned last night. Sgt. William Lagasse, Edward Paik, Robert Turcio, Sgt. Chadwick Brooks, possibly among others. The cops are with the Pentagon Police.
Just shows it isn't as simple as some would say.
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He forgot to copy/paste and link the rest
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Iraq had nothing to do with the world trade center.
A fake story of 'weapons of mass destruction' was concocted to invade them.
In terms of Iraq, the US were the terrorists.
You need to read the other posts in the thread to work out what I was getting at.
Someone wrote that they brought down the towers so they could make snooping on the internet legal and yet completely ignore legalities and go to war.
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Anyone who is interested in a missile-instead-of-plane line should look at what those witnesses said. Searching any or all of those names with a related keyword or two (like pentagon plane) will bring up info.
Fwiw, imo a plane hit but something else added in causing damage. And as for the people listed above, I think it could be another plane was in the area at the same time, flying very suspiciously low. Maybe it was the Doomsday Plane and maybe it was a matter of procedure for it (Doomsday Plane) to fly low at that time. I don't know.
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Anyone who is interested in a missile-instead-of-plane line should look at what those witnesses said. Searching any or all of those names with a related keyword or two (like pentagon plane) will bring up info.
Fwiw, imo a plane hit but something else added in causing damage. And as for the people listed above, I think it could be another plane was in the area at the same time, flying very suspiciously low. Maybe it was the Doomsday Plane and maybe it was a matter of procedure for it (Doomsday Plane) to fly low at that time. I don't know.
So another guy with all the answers that won't share them and instead tells other to find the info themselves. ::)
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So another guy with all the answers that won't share them and instead tells other to find the info themselves. ::)
If I start linking sites, then there's an opportunity to complain about the site I link. So rather than do that, I figure a person either gives a shit and will find it on a site they like, or they don't g.a.f. about it to begin with (which I don't blame them for, as we're all just wasting time, anyway).
Just like the Politics Board.
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so many new ideas in this thread, i mean how have we never thought about these things before :D
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Does the black fruit claim there's no conspiracy, or what?
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and btw, I do believe a plane hit, so I'm not the best person to try to argue otherwise. IMO this is on someone like obsidian or Matador etc
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If I start linking sites, then there's an opportunity to complain about the site I link. So rather than do that, I figure a person either gives a shit and will find it on a site they like, or they don't g.a.f. about it to begin with (which I don't blame them for, as we're all just wasting time, anyway).
Just like the Politics Board.
I've searched endlessly, and can't find any of the information you speak of. Can you kindly provide a link with irrefutable evidence? ???
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I've searched endlessly, and can't find any of the information you speak of. Can you kindly provide a link with irrefutable evidence? ???
I don't believe you.
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If I start linking sites, then there's an opportunity to complain about the site I link. So rather than do that, I figure a person either gives a shit and will find it on a site they like, or they don't g.a.f. about it to begin with (which I don't blame them for, as we're all just wasting time, anyway).
Just like the Politics Board.
Well, um, yeah, why should we take what you post as irrefutable evidence? I bet in your world, you would absolutely love it if everyone just agreed with your ideas, huh? But just because you post a "evidence," it doesn't mean it's good evidence. Not all evidence is created equal. There is good and bad evidence. Just like there are informed opinions and uninformed opinions.
If you are so confident that this site is credible evidence, THEN IT SHOULD SPEAK FOR ITSELF!! Solid evidence can withstand scrutiny. You know, kind of like Germ Theory and the Theory of Gravity can withstand scrutiny because the evidence is demonstrable. If your site (evidence) is that strong, and the evidence is also that strong, it will speak for itself.
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Well, um, yeah, why should we take what you post as irrefutable evidence? I bet in your world, you would absolutely love it if everyone just agreed with your ideas, huh? But just because you post a "evidence," it doesn't mean it's good evidence. Not all evidence is created equal. There is good and bad evidence. Just like there are informed opinions and uninformed opinions.
If you are so confident that this site is credible evidence, THEN IT SHOULD SPEAK FOR ITSELF!! Solid evidence can withstand scrutiny. You know, kind of like Germ Theory and the Theory of Gravity can withstand scrutiny because the evidence is demonstrable. If your site (evidence) is that strong, and the evidence is also that strong, it will speak for itself.
You can take it and shove it up your ass, dummy.
Once again, for the very stupid:
I believe a plane hit the Pentagon. I am not the person to argue that a plane did not hit the Pentagon.
Damn, I tried to give obsidian an assist, since he really wants to push the missile thing, but it was regrettable to do that. ;D
This was a good thread, though.
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You can take it and shove it up your ass, dummy.
Once again, for the very stupid:
I believe a plane hit the Pentagon. I am not the person to argue that a plane did not hit the Pentagon.
Damn, I tried to give obsidian an assist, since he really wants to push the missile thing, but it was regrettable to do that. ;D
This was a good thread, though.
I am not talking about that claim. You said, "If I start linking sites, then there's an opportunity to complain about the site I link." Obviously, you have a link that supports an idea of yours (I never said it was an idea that a plane did not hit the pentagon). That link that you wanted to post can support any idea. I don't care what the idea is, I only care what sort of evidence this link provides. I didn't read the whole thread, so what does think link provide evidence for? Does this link provide evidence that 9-11 was some sort of conspiracy? Or does the link show that it was not a conspiracy? Again, I didn't read the backthreads, so I don't know what context this site was discussed in.
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I am not talking about that claim. You said, "If I start linking sites, then there's an opportunity to complain about the site I link." Obviously, you have a link that supports an idea of yours (I never said it was an idea that a plane did not hit the pentagon). That link that you wanted to post can support any idea. I don't care what the idea is, I only care what sort of evidence this link provides. I didn't read the whole thread, so what does think link provide evidence for? Does this link provide evidence that 9-11 was some sort of conspiracy? Or does the link show that it was not a conspiracy? Again, I didn't read the backthreads, so I don't know what context this site was discussed in.
This is about witness statements. You will find it over hundreds of sites if you're that bored.
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This is about witness statements. You will find it over hundreds of sites if you're that bored.
So, my initial statement still stands, dummy. :D :D I don't care what the specific claims are. That is secondary. All I care about is how strong the evidence is, and that goes for the witnesses statements, as well as any other claim that is being made.
If your link has indisputable evidence that this is what witnesses have said, and there is verifiable proof that this is what they experienced, then the site/evidence will speak for itself. Yet, you still do not want to post this site. Why not? As I previously stated, the witnesses and the evidence on the site will speak for itself and stand up to scrutiny. So, go ahead and post it so we can see if the evidence is credible.
Thus, I restate: Well, um, yeah, why should we take what you post as irrefutable evidence? I bet in your world, you would absolutely love it if everyone just agreed with your ideas, huh? But just because you post a "evidence," it doesn't mean it's good evidence. Not all evidence is created equal. There is good and bad evidence. Just like there are informed opinions and uninformed opinions.
If you are so confident that this site is credible evidence, THEN IT SHOULD SPEAK FOR ITSELF!! Solid evidence can withstand scrutiny. You know, kind of like Germ Theory and the Theory of Gravity can withstand scrutiny because the evidence is demonstrable. If your site (evidence) is that strong, and the evidence is also that strong, it will speak for itself.
Geez, you're dense. :-\ :-\
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So, my initial statement still stands, dummy. :D :D I don't care what the specific claims are. That is secondary. All I care about is how strong the evidence is, and that goes for the witnesses statements, as well as any other claim that is being made.
If your link has indisputable evidence that this is what witnesses have said, and there is verifiable proof that this is what they experienced, then the site/evidence will speak for itself. Yet, you still do not want to post this site. Why not? As I previously stated, the witnesses and the evidence on the site will speak for itself and stand up to scrutiny. So, go ahead and post it so we can see if the evidence is credible.
Thus, I restate: Well, um, yeah, why should we take what you post as irrefutable evidence? I bet in your world, you would absolutely love it if everyone just agreed with your ideas, huh? But just because you post a "evidence," it doesn't mean it's good evidence. Not all evidence is created equal. There is good and bad evidence. Just like there are informed opinions and uninformed opinions.
If you are so confident that this site is credible evidence, THEN IT SHOULD SPEAK FOR ITSELF!! Solid evidence can withstand scrutiny. You know, kind of like Germ Theory and the Theory of Gravity can withstand scrutiny because the evidence is demonstrable. If your site (evidence) is that strong, and the evidence is also that strong, it will speak for itself.
There is no "this site".
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There is no "this site".
You said, "If I start linking sites." So, obviously you must have some sites in mind (even if you are not referring to a specific site at the moment). No? I am sure you have researched this before and found sites that you believe are credible (otherwise you would not have said, "If I start linking sites"). I mean, you are making a claim, so don't you have to provide evidence? ??? ??? ??? That is like me saying, "Hey, I can start linking sites that they found a cure for cancer, but you have to find it yourself?" Does this make sense? No. So, if youre making the claim about witness statements in relation to 9-11, I assume you would be able to provide evidence regarding these witness statements (at least a website).
Boy, youre a certain kind of stupid. :D :D
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You said, "If I start linking sites." So, obviously you must have some sites in mind (even if you are not referring to a specific site at the moment). No? I am sure you have researched this before and found sites that you believe are credible (otherwise you would not have said, "If I start linking sites"). I mean, you are making a claim, so don't you have to provide evidence? ??? ??? ??? That is like me saying, "Hey, I can start linking sites that they found a cure for cancer, but you have to find it yourself?" Does this make sense? No. So, if youre making the claim about witness statements in relation to 9-11, I assume you would be able to provide evidence regarding these witness statements (at least a website).
Boy, youre a certain kind of stupid. :D :D
Maybe you don't understand this isn't some unique "theory" linked with someone's site. It is witness testimony.
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Maybe you don't understand this isn't some unique "theory" linked with someone's site. It is witness testimony.
I don't care what the claim is--it could be the smallest or biggest claim. You're still making a claim, thus the burden of proof lies on you to provide the evidence, even if its a website with a bunch of quotes from eyewitnesses. You did state, "If I start linking sites..." So, apparently there must be sites with these eyewitness testimonies are people interviewing them. Can you provide any links? ??? ??? I mean, how dumb is it to say, "yeah, there are sites out there with X evidence, but you go find it." Okay. :D :D :D That is not how we evaluate evidence when someone else is making the claim, no matter what the claim is.
This is not so difficult to understand.
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I don't care what the claim is--it could be the smallest or biggest claim. You're still making a claim, thus the burden of proof lies on you to provide the evidence, even if its a website with a bunch of quotes from eyewitnesses. You did state, "If I start linking sites..." So, apparently there must be sites with these eyewitness testimonies are people interviewing them. Can you provide any links? ??? ??? I mean, how dumb is it to say, "yeah, there are sites out there with X evidence, but you go find it." Okay. :D :D :D
This is not so difficult to understand.
Okay, let me try to explain this to you so you can go back to being a cock-loving troll.
The statements stand by themselves. When you go to a website to examine them, however, that's when the "theories" become added. So if YOU want to develop a "theory", then have at it. There are scores of sites that refer to the statements.
As for myself, though, in case I haven't mentioned it: I believe a plane hit the Pentagon. I'm not the person to argue that a plane did not hit the Pentagon.
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;D ;D
Like I said, good thread.
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Okay, let me try to explain this to you so you can go back to being a cock-loving troll.
The statements stand by themselves. When you go to a website to examine them, however, that's when the "theories" become added. So if YOU want to develop a "theory", then have at it. There are scores of sites that refer to the statements.
As for myself, though, in case I haven't mentioned it: I believe a plane hit the Pentagon. I'm not the person to argue that a plane did not hit the Pentagon.
lol. Wow, you really are dense. A theory only becomes a theory when the ideas are presented, verified, repeatable and demonstrable. Whether that is scientific data or quotes or observations. Either way, you still have to provide that proof.
As such, the ideas still need to be provided to back up the claim. You're making a claim that there were eyewitness testimonies, thus the burden is on you provide evidence, whether the evidence comes from website, interviews, or whatever. It doesn't matter what the idea is. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. Thus, you are making the claim, therefore, you are required to at least provide evidence of these quotes or interviews. The person usually making the claim is the expert. That's how it works.
As for the quotes "standing for themselves," well, that is not necessarily the case. How do we know that these are not "junk" or "fake" websites that are making up quotes? Perhaps these websites are elaborating or changing quotes or eyewitness testimonies, in order to fit their agenda. Thus, the burden of proof is on you to provide evidence of quotes or eyewitness testimonies that you know are from credible websites and have not been tampered with. It is not my job to do that, since I am not making the claim that there are credible websites for this.
Geez, I don't know how else to explain it. I mean, are you really this dense? ??? ??? ???
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Do you claim the people are made-up, SF?
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Do you claim the people are made-up, SF?
If a Historian wants to prove that person X said a particular quote, do you think they tell their colleagues, "Oh, yeah, check this site. X person said it." Um, no. They use the historical method to affirm historical data, whether its quotes, interviews, or events. So, no, the quotes do not automatically stand for themselves. What stands for itself is GOOD evidence, and telling us to just "find sites with quotes" is not good evidence and not the way it works. And since you're making the claim, you have to prove to us via demonstrable evidence, that all these quotes and eyewitness testimonies are real, i.e., verbatim, an accurate depiction oef events, etc, etc, etc. This is what historians do when attempting to verify any historical event, quote, etc.
So, was Abraham Lincoln "made up?" No. But that does not mean we are not going to need verifiable proof that he said X quote or engaged in X historical event. As such, believing or not believing if these people are made up has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Even people we know existed, still requires evidence that they said X quote or engaged in X historical event. Hell, religious people even provide some evidence that Jesus said X quote or engaged in X historical event. Yet, you cannot even provide some solid evidence from credible sources that these quotes exist. Cross-references would help to support the quote. Now, is there a good chance that these quotes are real from eyewitness testimonies? Yes, there is a very good chance, however, I cannot determine this until you provide the evidence. I await your evidence.
I know, I know, it sucks when you have to provide ACTUAL evidence to support a claim. That damn evidence!!!
But I will no longer go back and forth with you. I have used logic and reason to state my case. You have done nothing of the sort. I will check back to see if you provided any evidence.
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Do you claim the people are made-up, SF?
I googled those people, while conspiracy sites use their testimony, other sites reveal that the testimony used is taken out of context, partial statements, one was even exposed as repeating what he watched on tv as his own eyewitness testimony.
Not sure how that was supposed to prove a missle hit the Pentagon ???
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I googled those people, while conspiracy sites use their testimony, other sites reveal that the testimony used is taken out of context, partial statements, one was even exposed as repeating what he watched on tv as his own eyewitness testimony.
Not sure how that was supposed to prove a missle hit the Pentagon ???
Bingo, which is why I said that the quotes DO NOT STAND for themselves. What stands for itself is GOOD EVIDENCE. When examining a historical quote or event for accuracy, there are many steps that must be taken into account. Thus, pointing to a site with a list of quotes is stupid. Quotes may have been altered, modified, partially deleted, or taken out of context, to prove the sites agenda. If LV has so much "faith" in these sites, then he needs to provide evidence that these quotes are historically accurate, which is an extremely daunting task.
So, it seems like Las Vegas wants us to take these quotes at face value and just trust what the sites say. :D :D
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I googled those people, while conspiracy sites use their testimony, other sites reveal that the testimony used is taken out of context, partial statements, one was even exposed as repeating what he watched on tv as his own eyewitness testimony.
Not sure how that was supposed to prove a missle hit the Pentagon ???
The idea is that their statements support the idea of a decoy plane, which ties in with the missile claim (basically what obsidian has been claiming).
I'd be interested to hear your take on it.
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Bingo, which is why I said that the quotes DO NOT STAND for themselves. What stands for itself is GOOD EVIDENCE. When examining a historical quote or event for accuracy, there are many steps that must be taken into account. Thus, pointing to a site with a list of quotes is stupid. Quotes may have been altered, modified, partially deleted, or taken out of context, to prove the sites agenda. If LV has so much "faith" in these sites, then he needs to provide evidence that these quotes are historically accurate, which is an extremely daunting task.
So, it seems like Las Vegas wants us to take these quotes at face value and just trust what the sites say. :D :D
In case I haven't mentioned it, I do believe a plane hit the Pentagon. Have I mentioned that?
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The idea is that their statements support the idea of a decoy plane, which ties in with the missile claim (basically what obsidian has been claiming).
I'd be interested to hear your take on it.
Hear his take on what? He just proved you wrong that the quotes are historically inaccurate lol. If their quotes are partially deleted, taken out of context, and misrepresented, they DO NOT support the idea of a decoy plane. They do not support anything, since they are inaccurate.
Holy crap, I do not even know what to say to you lol. :D :D :D :-\ :-\ :D :D :D
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In case I haven't mentioned it, I do believe a plane hit the Pentagon. Have I mentioned that?
okay, but youre still saying these quotes support ANOTHER claim. And that claim needs to be verified with solid evidence, which is proving that these quotes and eyewitness testimonies are historically accurate. You have not done this.
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Chaos, would you post a few links to whatever you find most interesting?
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The idea is that their statements support the idea of a decoy plane, which ties in with the missile claim (basically what obsidian has been claiming).
I'd be interested to hear your take on it.
Some witnesses claim a c130 followed the plane that hit the pentagon, hardly a decoy. Even those witnesses vary, the cops whos names you listed categorically deny a second plane, another one swears the second plane was there.
Lol
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Some witnesses claim a c130 followed the plane that hit the pentagon, hardly a decoy. Even those witnesses vary, the cops whos names you listed categorically deny a second plane, another one swears the second plane was there.
Lol
What about the cops, as far as which side of the station the plane was on?
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Oh, may I also add that eyewitness testimonies are often not reliable. They already showed via research, that multiple people will report a different set of facts after viewing the SAME EXACT scenario. Everyone has their own take on what happened.
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Some witnesses claim a c130 followed the plane that hit the pentagon, hardly a decoy. Even those witnesses vary, the cops whos names you listed categorically deny a second plane, another one swears the second plane was there.
Lol
Is the C130 the DD Plane?
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Here's an interesting thread on Legasse. It looks like he changed his initial statement.
http://z15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=10565
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What about the cops, as far as which side of the station the plane was on?
What about it?
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I'm not backing or claiming any of this stuff, but since I got myself into it, here's something on the Pentagon cops.
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You need to read the other posts in the thread to work out what I was getting at.
Someone wrote that they brought down the towers so they could make snooping on the internet legal and yet completely ignore legalities and go to war.
Ok, I see what you're saying.
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IMO, the falling fuel (lots of it, combined with a long space to travel and as much as a static charge in that confined area) would create explosions like a mothrfuckr. And it would blast through all sorts of shit very neatly just as the floors are arranged, thanks to elevator doors being on every floor.
There were firefighters in a panic and questioning whether explosives had been placed, due to what they were seeing.
For me, that's a satisfactory explanation when it comes to the explosions.
No, that is childish explanation to the thing which didn't happen. Why? You need just right air/fuel mixture to make an exploding gas, but if there isn't any compression, it just burns like a flash. That's why it can't be called explosion, even if it create loud noise. What do you need for explosion? It's depending how you are going to register it. In reality, some substance which has burning speed more than 7000 meters per second, and if you see something like that, you have no doubt if it was an explosion. But if you only hear it? Any loud and sharp noise can do, your brain cannot make the difference, if you aren't expert who work with explosions. If you hear it first time inside the building which ison fire and you are stressed to the max, it's impossible to hear the difference, because your ears just can't do it. It can be anything, water bottle, fire extinguisher, back up battery of the UPS, what ever but not explosive, because explosives has much more than just noise in them. They have that energy, which is impossible to hide, and which moves material up to 14 000 meters per second. .
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No, that is childish explanation to the thing which didn't happen. Why? You need just right air/fuel mixture to make an exploding gas, but if there isn't any compression, it just burns like a flash. That's why it can't be called explosion, even if it create loud noise. What do you need for explosion? It's depending how you are going to register it. In reality, some substance which has burning speed more than 7000 meters per second, and if you see something like that, you have no doubt if it was an explosion. But if you only hear it? Any loud and sharp noise can do, your brain cannot make the difference, if you aren't expert who work with explosions. If you hear it first time inside the building which ison fire and you are stressed to the max, it's impossible to hear the difference, because your ears just can't do it. It can be anything, water bottle, fire extinguisher, back up battery of the UPS, what ever but not explosive, because explosives has much more than just noise in them. They have that energy, which is impossible to hide, and which moves material up to 14 000 meters per second. .
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Any site with significant traffic that openly talks about Conspiracy Theories is put on a rotation of COINTELPRO posters who's job it is is to call out people and use all the types of language ROPO uses in every single one of his posts about the subject. The woman below lost her job for explaining what is going on in internet forums etc. She did a great 10 min TED talk about it...
In those so many other things which you haven't been able to prove, this cointelpro- nonsense has to be most stupid. Lets look your logic little closer? You say that there is organizations who willingly kills children's, citizens of their own country, their own military and such, but their only way to fight against truhters is hire people to thousands of different forums in different languages and countries just to call them idiots? Really?
These organizations has endless budgets and army of killers, so what I would do is check out your IP address, come to your house and burn it down with you in it. In reality, net is full of intelligence agencies who already know everything about you, and only reason you are still living is the fact, that you are just a harmless moron. I bet my ass in any fucking second of the day, if these agencies doesn't have files about you, because I know that you use frequently words which they have in their watchlists. So if they know your face, your address, your social security number, your fingerprints, your parents and your family history from year 1600 to present day, why in the name of hell they need me? They need to kill only few of you apes, and all others would disappear for good, scared shitless ;D
"What happen that abnominal asshole, that truther which was always here talking that foil hat crap? " "They find his corpse from the ruins of his parents trailer, blackened keyboard hanging from his charred fingers..." ;D
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never questioned it before but now thinking about it and re-watching, those buildings fell like any controlled demolition i've seen before, like the bottoms being pulled out from them. I think if the buildings were going to collapse in any way it would be very uneven and only as parts from the damaged section weaken further and fall downwards.
Well, look again. Here is some controlled demolitions for you:
What are the first two indicators which tell you that something is happening? Horizontal burst of dust, and the rhythmic sound of explosives. At the 9/11? No such thing, even it has many times stronger structure made from massive steel.
Explanation? Here you go..
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You're on your way. Keep going and stick your head even deeper in your ass..
Fixed..
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Another Ropo, albeit less histrionic.
Many explosions were heard/experienced in the lower floors of the towers before the plane hit that could not be explained.
And as it has been said plenty of times before, it isn't what you hear, it is what you can prove. Do you think that you hear real explosions in the movies? No, they are just sound effects, made digitally in the studio. Have you ever heard a real explosion? What, where? There in plenty of examples how your hearing could fool you if you don't see what is source of the noise, so please don't post that crap anymore. Here is something just for you:
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WTC 7 fell at practically free fall speed and was not "framed tube" construction. Please explain how that happened.
Just chance to video to that, which shows you complete collapse, not last few seconds of it. Or are you saying that you don't see the difference?
(http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/6-10-2015/coYxU2.gif)
Youtube video runs in real time, and shows whole collapse, while foil hat gif is made to present you just last three seconds of the 12-15 second collapse. Most of normal people see that as lying, but insane brats like yourself think that this manipulated crap is truth? Do you understand how stupid you look just now?
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Interesting.
True. And it is also a fact that parts of that insulation was missing by various reasons, mostly by vibrations from the earlier car bomb.
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Where? Please give some links to such claims. I kick both of your ases(Ropo the retarded inbreed and you) and now after 14 pages you jump here with a plethora of bullshit backup by your fucking imagination. I already debunked your 1% of the total population argument. But just in case, my main point stands and that is:
Just claims and opinions. HOW CAN THIS VIDEO BE CLAIMS AND OPINIONS, YOU RETARDED PIECE OF SHIT, DID YOU NOT WATCH THE ENTIRE VIDEO? IT SHOWS CLEARLY AS DAY WHERE THE PLANE HIT THE BUILDING AND THE TINY PART THAT THE TOP 15 FLOORS REPRESENTED VS THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
HOW THAT FUCK CAN 15 FLOORS CRUSH 90-95 FLOORS IN STRAIGHT LINE DOWN TO IT'S BASE, TROUGH THE PATH OF MOST RESISTANT, PULVERIZING CONCRETE AND LUNCHING STEEL BEENS 600 YARD TO THE SIDE IN A STAGGERING 12 FUCKING SECONDS? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE BASIC LAWS OF PHYSICS YOU FUCKING INBREED!!!!
HOW CAN 15000 POUNDS CRUSH 90000 POUNDS WITH NO ACCELARATION IN BETWEEN BECAUSE OF DEBILITATED STEEL ALL THE WAY UP IN THE 90-95 FLOOR? PROVIDE US WITH ANY VIDEO WITH A SITUATION SIMILAR IN WHICH A SKYSCRAPER ON FIRE OBLITERATE ITS SELF TO IT'S BASE? !!!!
And here is where you two bozos(Ropo the retarded inbreed and you) will always be remember as the two retards of Getbig for the rest of this site's history. No matter how many videos and information we put up debunking the bullshit official conspiracy report of 9/11, you two keep hammering the stupidity by what has been proven to date to be one of the most corrupt, incompetent, tyrannical and criminal government of our times.
You even wrote that you didn't trust our government and believes to be corrupted. But somehow the government told you the truth about that day, where 19 goat shepherds defeated a multi-billion dollar defense system, masterminded by a terrorist hidden in cave of third world country. And three steel skyscrapers came down due to fuel and office fire. Let that story sink in for a moment and go back and watch the video on the link above, please.
Hey, you bleeding hemorrhoid infected asshole, how exactly you are kicking anybody's ass while you don't have anything to prove your claims? If you want to prove that there was a conspiracy, prove that there were controlled demolition. You silly fucker can't do even that, because your best and only argument is that "it look like one". How anyone can be so fucking stupid that he thinks that arguments like that has any value? Let me explain this like I would explain it to the stupid child:
1. you have to have 400 meters tall buildings
2. you have to have passenger jets, size of the Boeing 767
3. you have to have similar tonnage of kerosene
4. you have to have similar fire load inside the building
5. you have to have similar weather, wind etc.
and after everything is just like it was 9/11/2001, you have to crash that plane to the building to start the fire, and then you can compare this to the things which happen in 9/11.
How about that? What you have? Nothing but idiotic claims, no evidence what so ever...and you are kicking butt's here? You are just another moron, who blindly believe that foil hat crap which has never proved by any kind of facts. And this, dear child, this is a fact. ;D
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Yeah, i gave you a link that's even proves it more and you can't grasp it.
Dude you are stupid and insane.
No, just insanely stupid. It is quite impossible to think that stupidity like that could be possible without serious mental handicap..but in the other hand, could mentally handicapped person be so fucking stupid, and still alive?
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We're supposed to believe this ??
You seem to believe any bullshit, why not that, because it is just bullshit?
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Just chance to video to that, which shows you complete collapse, not last few seconds of it. Or are you saying that you don't see the difference?
(http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/6-10-2015/coYxU2.gif)
Youtube video runs in real time, and shows whole collapse, while foil hat gif is made to present you just last three seconds of the 12-15 second collapse. Most of normal people see that as lying, but insane brats like yourself think that this manipulated crap is truth? Do you understand how stupid you look just now?
How or what caused that building to collapse...? ???
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How or what caused that building to collapse...? ???
Ask your self, why it is even in fire? What start the fire? WTC 1, when it fall over and against WTC 7, as you can see from the videos an photos. When 400 meters tall building fall over the 250 meters tall building, there would be some energy moving to building to another one, so WTC 7 get serious structural damages(proved fact) and fire starts. After burning bit shy from 8 hours, it collapse. As you see in the video, "penthouse" and roof beneath it goes first, and you can see the sky through the top floor windows. Then falling roof pulls rest of the building down, and this is the miraculous moment for the foil hats, because their shepherds has told them that this little piece of the 14 seconds long collapse is all there is.
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Here is a link to a bunch of real engineers and architects as well, that after examining the evidence came to the conclusion that the official conspiracy report of 9/11 does not hold water anyway possible. How you like them apples, OWNED!!!
http://www.ae911truth.org/about.html
Real architects? Here is more about this organization: http://ae911truth.info/wordpress/ (http://ae911truth.info/wordpress/)
It seem to me that your architects has been owned by reality..How about this: "he AIA itself, however, is firm about its relationship with Gage. “We don’t have any relationship with his organization whatsoever,” Scott Frank, head of media relations for the AIA" - American Institute of Architects about the Richard Gage, the founder and CEO of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth.. Why don't you ask your mentors how it is possible to cut columns with thermite, while thermite is liquid and working it's way towards the gravity? And why those tons of ignited thermite doesn't glow at all, while it has temperature of the halogen lamp? Light source which has brightness of +3000 kelvins and mass of tons wouldn't be invisible.
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How about all the video surveillance from a dozen businesses in the surrounding area.
All their video footage was confiscated within the minutes following the explosion.
Not to mention highway traffic cameras which would have shown perfectly.
Yet they only choose to show 1 angle of the "hit".
They have no problem showing the towers being hit from all angles, yet this famous footage which would
show the TRUTH is supressed. Why ? because there's no plane.
Exactly like how there was NO PLANE in shanksville PA.
but wait! the government wouldn't hide anything like that!
Wrong. Just his week they're back in the news talking about "secret pages" from the 9/11 reports. lol
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/white-house-set-to-release-secret-pages-from-inquiry/article_d1949a21-d105-5961-bf40-9318e6b4d3d6.html (http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/white-house-set-to-release-secret-pages-from-inquiry/article_d1949a21-d105-5961-bf40-9318e6b4d3d6.html)
Yes that's what your country does. Selectively chooses what pages it want to publish, and hides the others when it comes to the greatest "attack" (self attack) on US soil.
I swear the majority of the US population is in denial, and being taken for a ride (just like this guy)
(http://wadiyan.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/rsz_miracle-baby.jpg)
As I have told here dozens of times, there is obvious problems with that "video surveillance from a dozen businesses in the surrounding area" because those cameras are there for the security of the business, not for the Pentagon. Please show me even one security cam which has been installed for the security of some neighbor? "We have this security camera, but instead of security of our business, we use it to film people going in an out from Pentagon"? What a genius..
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Show us the proof, can't you see this is classic case of the pot calling the kettle black? You retard!!!
No, it is a classic case of missing counterevidence, because official investigation is all about the proved facts, and that crap of yours doesn't include anything to prove the official investigation faulty. Your screaming and crying doesn't mean anything else than pointing out the fact, that you are an idiot. All you have to do, is prove there were explosion in the WTC towers, so please show even one from any video filmed that day? If some of the foil hats would have been able to do it, there wouldn't be this thread at all, so why don't you prove it? Why don't you even try? What kind of moron you are, because it would be by far the easiest way to prove the conspiracy? So why it doesn't happen? BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ANY EXPLOSIONS. That is the only reason, and you can't prove otherwise, no matter how much you cry and scream. So, now, when no one have no doubt that you are an idiot, what next?
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No, that is childish explanation to the thing which didn't happen. Why? You need just right air/fuel mixture to make an exploding gas, but if there isn't any compression, it just burns like a flash. That's why it can't be called explosion, even if it create loud noise. What do you need for explosion? It's depending how you are going to register it. In reality, some substance which has burning speed more than 7000 meters per second, and if you see something like that, you have no doubt if it was an explosion. But if you only hear it? Any loud and sharp noise can do, your brain cannot make the difference, if you aren't expert who work with explosions. If you hear it first time inside the building which ison fire and you are stressed to the max, it's impossible to hear the difference, because your ears just can't do it. It can be anything, water bottle, fire extinguisher, back up battery of the UPS, what ever but not explosive, because explosives has much more than just noise in them. They have that energy, which is impossible to hide, and which moves material up to 14 000 meters per second. .
So IYO thousands of gallons of fuel spilling out with nowhere else to go but the shafts, and being ignited in the form of millions of droplets, will do everything else but meet the definition of explosion. Got it.
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Group 1 thinks things happened just as showed by the media and Group 2 believes it was a gov cover up to get us 2 war.
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Group 1 thinks things happened just as showed by the media and Group 2 believes it was a gov cover up to get us 2 war.
Then there's me, who believes the irresistibility of digital information is at the center of it.
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Then there's me, who believes the irresistibility of digital information is at the center of it.
Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?
George Carlin
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No, it is a classic case of missing counterevidence, because official investigation is all about the proved facts, and that crap of yours doesn't include anything to prove the official investigation faulty. Your screaming and crying doesn't mean anything else than pointing out the fact, that you are an idiot. All you have to do, is prove there were explosion in the WTC towers, so please show even one from any video filmed that day? If some of the foil hats would have been able to do it, there wouldn't be this thread at all, so why don't you prove it? Why don't you even try? What kind of moron you are, because it would be by far the easiest way to prove the conspiracy? So why it doesn't happen? BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ANY EXPLOSIONS. That is the only reason, and you can't prove otherwise, no matter how much you cry and scream. So, now, when no one have no doubt that you are an idiot, what next?
Ask your self, why it is even in fire? What start the fire? WTC 1, when it fall over and against WTC 7, as you can see from the videos an photos. When 400 meters tall building fall over the 250 meters tall building, there would be some energy moving to building to another one, so WTC 7 get serious structural damages(proved fact) and fire starts. After burning bit shy from 8 hours, it collapse. As you see in the video, "penthouse" and roof beneath it goes first, and you can see the sky through the top floor windows. Then falling roof pulls rest of the building down, and this is the miraculous moment for the foil hats, because their shepherds has told them that this little piece of the 14 seconds long collapse is all there is.
This individual proves again what type of goverment shill he is, the types of lies that he posts here, and just the amount of respons that no normal person would bother on a simple website like Getbig. But some how we(americans) are to believe a retarded inbreed from Finland is going the distance to proves us wrong.
Good, obvious all his answers will take some time to dismantle but we will start with building 7.
Facts:
Building 7 was a 47-story skyscraper and was part of the World Trade Center complex. Built in 1984, it would have been the tallest high-rise in 33 states in the United States. It collapsed at 5:20 pm on September 11, 2001. It was not hit by an airplane and suffered minimal damage compared to other buildings much closer to the Twin Towers. Neither did the building to it's right or the building to it's left suffer any major damage and suffer any fires, still been next to bulding7 and acroos the street from the Twin Towers.
The total collapse of WTC 7 in 6.5 seconds at free fall acceleration (NIST admits 2.25 seconds). Larry Silverstein used the term “Pull it”. Steel framed high rise buildings have NEVER totally collapsed from fire or structural damage. Builidng 7 was not hit by a plane. ‘Building 7’, ‘WTC 7’.
If fire caused Building 7 to collapse, it would be the first ever fire-induced collapse of a steel-frame high-rise.
Building 7’s collapse was not mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report.
In May 2002, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) issued a report on the collapse based on a preliminary investigation conducted jointly with the Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers under leadership of Dr. W. Gene Corley, P.E. FEMA made preliminary findings that the collapse was not primarily caused by actual impact damage from the collapse of 1 WTC and 2 WTC but by fires on multiple stories ignited by debris from the other two towers that continued burning unabated due to lack of water for sprinklers or manual firefighting. The report did not reach conclusions about the cause of the collapse and called for further investigation.[26]
It took the federal government seven years to conduct an investigation and issue a report for Building 7. 7 years to cook up the official story, which took less than 1 year for the official conspiracy report on 9/11.
In November 2008, NIST released its final report on the causes of the collapse of 7 World Trade Center.[7] This followed NIST's August 21, 2008, draft report which included a period for public comments.[8] In its investigation, NIST utilized ANSYS to model events leading up to collapse initiation and LS-DYNA models to simulate the global response to the initiating events.[52] NIST determined that diesel fuel did not play an important role, nor did the structural damage from the collapse of the Twin Towers or the transfer elements (trusses, girders, and cantilever overhangs). The lack of water to fight the fire was an important factor. The fires burned out of control during the afternoon, causing floor beams near column 79 to expand and push a key girder off its seat, triggering the floors to fail around column 79 on Floors 8 to 14. With a loss of lateral support across nine floors, column 79 buckled – pulling the east penthouse and nearby columns down with it. With the buckling of these critical columns, the collapse then progressed east-to-west across the core, ultimately overloading the perimeter support, which buckled between Floors 7 and 17, causing the remaining portion of the building above to fall downward as a single unit. The fires, fueled by office contents, along with the lack of water, were the key reasons for the collapse. First time in history, by the way.
In addition to the Twin Towers and Building 7, the World Trade Center complex included buildings 3, 4, 5, and 6. Compared to Building 7, all of these buildings were severely damaged, first by falling rubble from the tower collapses, then by fires that burned for hours. Although these buildings were in critical condition, none of them collapsed.
Facts with pictures below, you imbecile piece of shit, which I will own like the other retards who have blindly believed the official conspiracy report on 9/11 from our beloved crooked goverment.
http://www.wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5_files/fig-5-26.jpg
http://rememberbuilding7.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/wtc-building-7-map_22.jpg
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fi.stack.imgur.com%2FfR5NN.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fskeptics.stackexchange.com%2Fquestions%2F1368%2Fon-9-11-was-building-7-destroyed-in-a-controlled-explosion&docid=33Rar28hzi4l1M&tbnid=bcz_bhErd8f1TM%3A&w=2070&h=1656&bih=993&biw=1920&ved=0ahUKEwjXoqTlibzMAhUGJx4KHejuBf0QMwhNKCYwJg&iact=mrc&uact=8
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We need Judy Wood to clear this up.
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Don't you worry Ropo the retard inbreed form Finland, I'm coming for you!!!
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Well, look again. Here is some controlled demolitions for you:
What are the first two indicators which tell you that something is happening? Horizontal burst of dust, and the rhythmic sound of explosives. At the 9/11? No such thing, even it has many times stronger structure made from massive steel.
Explanation? Here you go..
In the next video posted below, go to the minute 6:12 if you want to hear the explosions while the twin tower was blowing up in it's way down, you retarded lying piece of shit.
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Simple. It isn't at it's original form, but edited to present an opinion of the editors.
So you mean that if you are too fucking stupid to understand how, it has to be conspiracy? No, you are just too stupid, because you are believing massive explosions without seeing even faintest evidence of anything like one. Don't speak me about the laws of physic's while you can't even name them at the correct order without looking it up from the Wikipedia. I bet that you don't even know the definition of the words they use to explain them.
15000 pounds? Weight of the shadow of your fat ass maybe? 15000 lb = 33040 kilos, aka 33 tons, and the falling piece of WTC 1 has weight of 100 000 metric tons at least? Empty weight of the building was estimated to be 500 000 metric tons + furniture, the archives, the people etc. etc. adding hundred of tons of weight. And no acceleration? Well, if we doesn't count the fall through the at least two floors which were crushed by aeroplane, and if we are fucking idiots, we can say so. In the reality, it has height of at least two floors to acceleration, meaning 10 meters which it travels in two seconds. All this is proved by the videos, so what you are talking about? Use your knowledge of the laws of physics to calculate the kinetic energy what the top of the tower have after that acceleration, and prove it isn't enough?
Where is the line between the stupid and the mentally handicapped person? I believe you have past it already. In exactly where we can see controlled demolition made by the morons, who doesn't use any blasting protection to prevent the debris to kill bystanders? You see, when real explosive detonates, everything around it start to move with the speed of 7000 - 14 000 meter per second. The air, walls, bricks and plaster will fly at this speed in every direction possible, so to prevent any accidents they use protective mats and such. So what? SO WHY THERE WASN'T ANY AT THE RUINS OF WTC TOWERS? These mats are made to be explosion proof, so there would be tons of them in the ruins, because they doesn't pulverize. There wasn't any, period. I know you fools love to watch the videos, so here is one for you. Just concentrate to two first things you see or hear and which prove there were an explosion:
Every time you post proves us your room temperature IQ
Those 15 floors only have the strength of the equivalent 15 floors below it, which means if it really started to collapse because of the loss of strength in it's support columns, by floor 80th it would have lost it's strength or kinetic energy, do you understand the laws of physic now, you imbecile, for every action there is a reaction, if the 15 floors above where the plane hit, started pushing down, the rest of the 95 floors would push back, and by it would offer the most resistance to stop the implosion. Hard to argue with scientific facts.
The implosion did not stop at the 80th, 70th, or 60th floor, it continue all the way down to the fucking base at almost the speed of gravity without showing any resistance. Two of the tallest building in the World collapsed in seconds due to office and fuel fire. Let that sink in you moronic piece of shill.
The planes where like aluminium tin cans thrown against a wall. . The towers where engineered to withstand such occurrence. Aluminium does not cut through steel. Video proof below:
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Maybe too many bad things happened in building 7.
Like bodybuildings room 7, maybe it was where homo sexuals met in secret and no one wanted the secret to get out so they blew it up.
If there is an ice machine close by I think we have just cracked the case.
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19 goat shepherds defeated a multi-billion dollar defense system, masterminded by a terrorist hidden in cave of a 3rd world country, and 3 steel skyscrapers came down due to fuel and office fire. The offical truffer report on 9/11!!!
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If You Seek TRUTH, WATCH THIS
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Ask your self, why it is even in fire? What start the fire? WTC 1, when it fall over and against WTC 7, as you can see from the videos an photos. When 400 meters tall building fall over the 250 meters tall building, there would be some energy moving to building to another one, so WTC 7 get serious structural damages(proved fact) and fire starts. After burning bit shy from 8 hours, it collapse. As you see in the video, "penthouse" and roof beneath it goes first, and you can see the sky through the top floor windows. Then falling roof pulls rest of the building down, and this is the miraculous moment for the foil hats, because their shepherds has told them that this little piece of the 14 seconds long collapse is all there is.
The whole building wouldn't collapse evenly like it did.... Part of the building would crumble.. Anybody with a shred of intelligence knows this.. Also Larry Silverstein said they 'pulled' the building, which means it was demolished... Where is it standard practice to rig buildings for controlled demolition when they're built? It's not.. They didn't dig it that day either...planned event, period...
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The whole building wouldn't collapse evenly like it did.... Part of the building would crumble.. Anybody with a shred of intelligence knows this.. Also Larry Silverstein said they 'pulled' the building, which means it was demolished... Where is it standard practice to rig buildings for controlled demolition when they're built? It's not.. They didn't dig it that day either...planned event, period...
On the video below you can check what a partial collapse look like due to fire:
Facts:
Around midnight, on Saturday, February 12, 2005, a fire was detected on the 21st floor. The fire spread quickly throughout the entire building, leading to the collapse of the outermost, steel parts of the upper floors; firefighters needed almost 24 hours to extinguish it. While seven firefighters were injured, nobody was killed in the fire, which was arguably the worst in Madrid's history. The fire was blamed on an electrical.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsor_Tower
And this building was only 31 floors tall, the twin towers were 115 floors tall, two of the biggest buildings in the world, and they collapse in seconds due to fire.
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19 goat shepherds defeated a multi-billion dollar defense system, masterminded by a terrorist hidden in cave of a 3rd world country, and 3 steel skyscrapers came down due to fuel and office fire. The offical truffer report on 9/11!!!
once again completely wrong.
At least you are "consistently" wrong.
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19 goat shepherds defeated a multi-billion dollar defense system, masterminded by a terrorist hidden in cave of a 3rd world country, and 3 steel skyscrapers came down due to fuel and office fire. The offical truffer report on 9/11!!!
Would you care to lay out what you believe happened and the evidence to substantiate that claim?
Take your time
("Something doesn't look right" isn't an acceptable answer.)
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once again completely wrong.
At least you are "consistently" wrong.
Still waiting for the full explanation according to the official 9/11 conspiracy commission report.
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Would you care to lay out what you believe happened and the evidence to substantiate that claim?
Take your time
("Something doesn't look right" isn't an acceptable answer.)
19 goat shepherds defeated a multi-billion dollar defense system, masterminded by a terrorist hidden in cave of a 3rd world country, and 3 steel skyscrapers came down due to fuel and office fire. The offical truffer report on 9/11!!!
What part of the sentence above is not clear to you? Is it not the official story? Case close I guess.
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Took 20 minutes to go through this thread and this is what I came up with
As of May 2, ROPO has 75 posts in this thread
Here's a list of a few key words he's used and how many times he's used them in this thread. You can't make this shit up. He's a fucking robot...
Foil Hat---47 times
Moron ---41 times
Stupid ---28 times
Idiot ---27 times
Imbecile---12 times
Lies --- 8 times
Insane --- 8 times
Dumb --- 6 times
Mental --- 7 times
Drooling--- 6 times
Retard --- 6 times
Crazy --- 6 times
Lunatic --- 5 times
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Still waiting for the full explanation according to the official 9/11 conspiracy commission report.
Its been available to you for a long time in addition to others
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19 goat shepherds defeated a multi-billion dollar defense system, masterminded by a terrorist hidden in cave of a 3rd world country, and 3 steel skyscrapers came down due to fuel and office fire. The offical truffer report on 9/11!!!
What part of the sentence above is not clear to you? Is it not the official story? Case close I guess.
once again wrong, and shows you didn't read the report.
It would be nice if you could get something right.
I'd bet some of not most of those hijackers are more educated than you are.
Judging from your extreme lack of critical thinking I am probably right.
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Took 20 minutes to go through this thread and this is what I came up with
As of May 2, ROPO has 75 posts in this thread
Here's a list of a few key words he's used and how many times he's used them in this thread. You can't make this shit up. He's a fucking robot...
Foil Hat---47 times
Moron ---41 times
Stupid ---28 times
Idiot ---27 times
Imbecile---12 times
Lies --- 8 times
Insane --- 8 times
Dumb --- 6 times
Mental --- 7 times
Drooling--- 6 times
Retard --- 6 times
Crazy --- 6 times
Lunatic --- 5 times
Nah, he ad-homs in response to the lunacy, flawed logic, baseless conjecture and ignorance of CT'ers.
Also there is name calling and attacks from both parties.
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Took 20 minutes to go through this thread and this is what I came up with
As of May 2, ROPO has 75 posts in this thread
Here's a list of a few key words he's used and how many times he's used them in this thread. You can't make this shit up. He's a fucking robot...
Foil Hat---47 times
Moron ---41 times
Stupid ---28 times
Idiot ---27 times
Imbecile---12 times
Lies --- 8 times
Insane --- 8 times
Dumb --- 6 times
Mental --- 7 times
Drooling--- 6 times
Retard --- 6 times
Crazy --- 6 times
Lunatic --- 5 times
Fuckin waste of 20 minutes right there.
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Yes engineers grow on trees in abundance. A few thousand engineers and architects questioning the official 911 story is a big deal. And no they are not crackpots - you're reaching here Ozmo. Maybe you're the crackpot for believing 19 cave dwellers pulled off this 911 stunt?? I've said this before to Ropo and now you Ozmo. You're a tinfoil hat CT'er for believing the official fairy tail. And I would venture that you're probably also either very naive or not very bright if you insist on repeating the official crackpot narrative.
They are more like coincidence theorists it's unreal how far they'll go to defend goverment stop at nothing.
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As I have told here dozens of times, there is obvious problems with that "video surveillance from a dozen businesses in the surrounding area" because those cameras are there for the security of the business, not for the Pentagon. Please show me even one security cam which has been installed for the security of some neighbor? "We have this security camera, but instead of security of our business, we use it to film people going in an out from Pentagon"? What a genius..
What about parts of the sky, though?
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So people really believe that the most secure building on US soil only had one surveillance camera that showed that side of the building that day? Really? You'd have to be simply retarded to think there is only one single camera with a shitty view that captured the missile hit the pentagon. If it was a jet, it would have been shot down. There is a defense system that protects the Pentagon against that very thing happening. My God people are naive... That video footage was released from that camera because it sucked, and doesn't give a clear view of what actually hit the Pentagon. It sure appeased all the idiots that can't see beyond the spoon fed shit they're given to eat by the government though.
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So IYO thousands of gallons of fuel spilling out with nowhere else to go but the shafts, and being ignited in the form of millions of droplets, will do everything else but meet the definition of explosion. Got it.
Ask yourself, where are the visual indicators of the explosions, because there is a clear difference between the firecracker and the explosion. I have posted examples, and if you still don't know how the explosions look like, I can't force you to learn it. You see, truth can be found also in the details what are missing. When you see the video about the car bomb, you have no doubt that the blast cloud which appears in nanoseconds wouldn't be the outcome of the explosion. Why you don't see anything appearing in nanoseconds at the WTC? Because there isn't any explosions, that's why. There isn't any way to hide explosions, there is always visual indicators you can't miss. And you have to always remember, that this is only a tiny bit of the foil hat stupidity, because all of the videos prove that collapse start from the area which was hit by the aeroplane. So What? So these foil hat guys are stupid enough to claim, that you could prepare massive charge of explosives weeks before, hide it, crash an aeroplane in it, let it burn 56 minutes, and then detonate it and make the towers collapse. All explosives are based on chemical reaction, and all chemicals react to fire, so there isn't really no way that would or could be possible.
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This individual proves again what type of goverment shill he is, the types of lies that he posts here, and just the amount of respons that no normal people would bother on a simple website like Getbig. But some how we(americans) are to believe a retarded inbreed from Finland is going the distance to proves us wrong.
Good, obvious all his answers will take some time to dismantle but we will start with building 7.
Facts:
Building 7 was a 47-story skyscraper and was part of the World Trade Center complex. Built in 1984, it would have been the tallest high-rise in 33 states in the United States. It collapsed at 5:20 pm on September 11, 2001. It was not hit by an airplane and suffered minimal damage compared to other buildings much closer to the Twin Towers. Neither did the building to it's right or the building to it's left suffer any major damage and suffer any fires, still been next to bulding7 and acroos the street from the Twin Towers.
The total collapse of WTC 7 in 6.5 seconds at free fall acceleration (NIST admits 2.25 seconds). Larry Silverstein used the term “Pull it”. Steel framed high rise buildings have NEVER totally collapsed from fire or structural damage. Builidng 7 was not hit by a plane. ‘Building 7’, ‘WTC 7’.
If fire caused Building 7 to collapse, it would be the first ever fire-induced collapse of a steel-frame high-rise.
Building 7’s collapse was not mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report.
In May 2002, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) issued a report on the collapse based on a preliminary investigation conducted jointly with the Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers under leadership of Dr. W. Gene Corley, P.E. FEMA made preliminary findings that the collapse was not primarily caused by actual impact damage from the collapse of 1 WTC and 2 WTC but by fires on multiple stories ignited by debris from the other two towers that continued burning unabated due to lack of water for sprinklers or manual firefighting. The report did not reach conclusions about the cause of the collapse and called for further investigation.[26]
It took the federal government seven years to conduct an investigation and issue a report for Building 7. 7 years to cook up the official story, which took less than 1 year for the official conspiracy report on 9/11.
In November 2008, NIST released its final report on the causes of the collapse of 7 World Trade Center.[7] This followed NIST's August 21, 2008, draft report which included a period for public comments.[8] In its investigation, NIST utilized ANSYS to model events leading up to collapse initiation and LS-DYNA models to simulate the global response to the initiating events.[52] NIST determined that diesel fuel did not play an important role, nor did the structural damage from the collapse of the Twin Towers or the transfer elements (trusses, girders, and cantilever overhangs). The lack of water to fight the fire was an important factor. The fires burned out of control during the afternoon, causing floor beams near column 79 to expand and push a key girder off its seat, triggering the floors to fail around column 79 on Floors 8 to 14. With a loss of lateral support across nine floors, column 79 buckled – pulling the east penthouse and nearby columns down with it. With the buckling of these critical columns, the collapse then progressed east-to-west across the core, ultimately overloading the perimeter support, which buckled between Floors 7 and 17, causing the remaining portion of the building above to fall downward as a single unit. The fires, fueled by office contents, along with the lack of water, were the key reasons for the collapse. First time in history, by the way.
In addition to the Twin Towers and Building 7, the World Trade Center complex included buildings 3, 4, 5, and 6. Compared to Building 7, all of these buildings were severely damaged, first by falling rubble from the tower collapses, then by fires that burned for hours. Although these buildings were in critical condition, none of them collapsed.
Facts with pictures below, you imbecile piece of shit, which I will own like the other retards who have blindly believed the official conspiracy report on 9/11 from our beloved crooked goverment.
http://www.wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5_files/fig-5-26.jpg
http://rememberbuilding7.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/wtc-building-7-map_22.jpg
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fi.stack.imgur.com%2FfR5NN.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fskeptics.stackexchange.com%2Fquestions%2F1368%2Fon-9-11-was-building-7-destroyed-in-a-controlled-explosion&docid=33Rar28hzi4l1M&tbnid=bcz_bhErd8f1TM%3A&w=2070&h=1656&bih=993&biw=1920&ved=0ahUKEwjXoqTlibzMAhUGJx4KHejuBf0QMwhNKCYwJg&iact=mrc&uact=8
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.indymedia.org.uk%2Fimages%2F2010%2F09%2F457945.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fb%2Fthread%2F2057150936&docid=zacXhQFWv7xlyM&tbnid=3XaVoU5CpYmiHM%3A&w=594&h=390&bih=993&biw=1920&ved=0ahUKEwjXoqTlibzMAhUGJx4KHejuBf0QMwhTKCwwLA&iact=mrc&uact=8#h=390&w=594
Why all this irrelevant nonsense? All you have to do, is prove there were explosion in the WTC towers, so please show even one from any video filmed that day? If some of the foil hats would have been able to do it, there wouldn't be this thread at all, so why don't you prove it? Why don't you even try? What kind of moron you are, because it would be by far the easiest way to prove the conspiracy? So why it doesn't happen? BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ANY EXPLOSIONS. That is the only reason, and you can't prove otherwise, no matter how much you cry and scream. So, now, when no one have no doubt that you are an idiot, what next?
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Don't you worry Ropo the retard inbreed form Finland, I'm cumming for you!!!
Fixed..
And why all this irrelevant nonsense? All you have to do, is prove there were explosion in the WTC towers, so please show even one from any video filmed that day? If some of the foil hats would have been able to do it, there wouldn't be this thread at all, so why don't you prove it? Why don't you even try? What kind of moron you are, because it would be by far the easiest way to prove the conspiracy? So why it doesn't happen? BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ANY EXPLOSIONS. That is the only reason, and you can't prove otherwise, no matter how much you cry and scream. So, now, when no one have no doubt that you are an idiot, what next?
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In the next video posted below, go to the minute 6:12 if you want to hear the explosions while the twin tower was blowing up in it's way down, you retarded lying piece of shit.
So you are saying that the sound of floors hitting each other during the collapse is a sound of explosions, and you try to prove it by showing dust cloud which is hanging downwards, flowing without any kind of bursts, nothing flashing and even the windows shattering only by the floors pressing them in the pieces? Please, go and kill yourself, you are too stupid to be alive. Where is the dust clouds and debris flashing out from the building horizontally, which you can clearly see in any controlled demolition, even when they are covered with blasting mats to protect bystanders? You can't answer, because you can't copy paste that answer anywhere, and you don't have the brains to answer yourself ;D
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19 goat shepherds defeated a multi-billion dollar defense system, masterminded by a terrorist hidden in cave of a 3rd world country, and 3 steel skyscrapers came down due to fuel and office fire. The offical truffer report on 9/11!!!
What part of the sentence above is not clear to you? Is it not the official story? Case close I guess.
So you have no idea.
Yep, thought so.
The people who dont believe the official story never seem to have an opinion on what they believe happened and there is a very good reason for that.
They dont give an opinion because they have nothing to back it up when questioned.
Thanks for playing.
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Took 20 minutes to go through this thread and this is what I came up with
As of May 2, ROPO has 75 posts in this thread
Here's a list of a few key words he's used and how many times he's used them in this thread. You can't make this shit up. He's a fucking robot...
Foil Hat---47 times
Moron ---41 times
Stupid ---28 times
Idiot ---27 times
Imbecile---12 times
Lies --- 8 times
Insane --- 8 times
Dumb --- 6 times
Mental --- 7 times
Drooling--- 6 times
Retard --- 6 times
Crazy --- 6 times
Lunatic --- 5 times
and robots dont make mistakes.
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Every time you post proves us your room temperature IQ
Those 15 floors only have the strength of the equivalent 15 floors below it, which means if it really started to collapse because of the loss of strength in it's support columns, by floor 80th it would have lost it's strength or kinetic energy, do you understand the laws of physic now, you imbecile, for every action there is a reaction, if the 15 floors above where the plane hit, started pushing down, the rest of the 95 floors would push back, and by it would offer the most resistance to stop the implosion. Hard to argue with scientific facts.
The implosion did not stop at the 80th, 70th, or 60th floor, it continue all the way down to the fucking base at almost the speed of gravity without showing any resistance. Two of the tallest building in the World collapsed in seconds due to office and fuel fire. Let that sink in you moronic piece of shill.
The planes where like aluminium tin cans thrown against a wall. . The towers where engineered to withstand such occurrence. Aluminium does not cut through steel. Video proof below:
And as we all know, that has nothing to do with the fact, that you can't prove even one explosion at the WTC towers. Why you waste your time with that crap, while the most important evidence is still missing? If there isn't explosions, there isn't conspiracy. Just repeat that until you understand the meaning of those words..
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19 goat shepherds defeated a multi-billion dollar defense system, masterminded by a terrorist hidden in cave of a 3rd world country, and 3 steel skyscrapers came down due to fuel and office fire. The offical truffer report on 9/11!!!
Same goat shepherds who kick Russians out from the Afganistan, and their leader Osama, net worth +300 000 000$. And exactly what multi billion dollar defense system you are talking about? Did you have at the 2001 some kind of defense system against passenger jets?
In the Finnish language we have a term "myötähäpeä", which doesn't have equivalent in English language. Definition of the term is quite simple, it means a sense of shame you feel on someone else’s behalf, like you feel shame when your drunken mother sucks your uncle's cock in the middle of the family barbeque. These "thoughts" of yours make me shame that we live on the same planet, I have a quite strong myötähäpeä towards you just now ;D
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If You Seek TRUTH, WATCH THIS insane crap and realize, that this isn't it..
ps.
While I am genius and able to see the truth about any matter, my IQ isn't high enough to link these YouTube- videos, so fuck you all..
Fixed..
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The whole building wouldn't collapse evenly like it did.... Part of the building would crumble.. Anybody with a shred of intelligence knows this.. Also Larry Silverstein said they 'pulled' the building, which means it was demolished... Where is it standard practice to rig buildings for controlled demolition when they're built? It's not.. They didn't dig it that day either...planned event, period...
How exactly you know that? WTC towers were first two buildings which collapsed because of the attack by the passenger jets, so how do you know? First two 400 meters high skyscrapers which has collapsed on this planet, so how can you know? For real? If someone say that knowing this is possible, he is lying, because on this planet isn't even one person who could know it. Best what you or anybody else can do, is IMAGINE how it should go, and that is only way there is. So if all these people imagine how these buildings should collapse, will it prove anything?
Let see:
1. there is crash of the aeroplane
2. crash start a fire
3. fire heated steel and it's strength fails
4. Tower collapses
So if we skip 1 and 2, what would be outcome? No fire, no collapse. If we skip 2 and 3? Crash, no fire, no heated steel, no collapse. etc. Only if you include all the variables, you could know that outcome would be same. Quite simple. So why people claims that they know buildings couldn't collapse like that? They don't think about facts, they use their feelings as a fact. Would you trust the specialist who tell you that he imagine that those towers can't collapse like that? No one would trust him, no matter that he is telling the truth, so they have to say they know, knowing that it is a lie. Truth is that no one could know it before it has happen, because no one has seen anything like it in the history of this planet.
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On the video below you can check what a partial collapse look like due to fire:
Facts:
Around midnight, on Saturday, February 12, 2005, a fire was detected on the 21st floor. The fire spread quickly throughout the entire building, leading to the collapse of the outermost, steel parts of the upper floors; firefighters needed almost 24 hours to extinguish it. While seven firefighters were injured, nobody was killed in the fire, which was arguably the worst in Madrid's history. The fire was blamed on an electrical.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsor_Tower
And this building was only 31 floors tall, the twin towers were 115 floors tall, two of the biggest buildings in the world, and they collapse in seconds due to fire.
How many airplanes size of 767 has crashed in these buildings? How many tons of kerosene there was burning, is the structure identic with the WTC towers, what was the fire load of the building? Just a random crap with nothing to do with the matter, as you always have linked here? Cut the crap, show me the explosions or name even one reason why you don't do it? Your whole conspiracy theory starts from those explosions which start collapse of twin towers, so why in the name of hell you do any fucking thing possible BUT not even try to prove there was explosions? Will there be any need for better evidence for the absence of the explosions, than your incompetence to prove there was any? Do anybody need a prove better than that? Would it be even possible to present prove better than your incompetence to show any evidence at all?
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Still waiting for the full explanation according to the official 9/11 conspiracy commission report.
Why? It has been in the internet for years now, and during these years foil hat morons like yourself, haven't been able to show any counterevidence to prove the report faulty at any way. You see, world is full with morons and claims, but reality is unfortunately based on the evidence, and while you and the foil hat morons haven't any, you have loose this battle already. You just are too fucking morons to realize that, and whose fault is that? Blame your parents, because the mental handicap like you have is hereditary ;D
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Took 20 minutes to go through this thread and this is what I came up with
As of May 2, ROPO has 75 posts in this thread
Here's a list of a few key words he's used and how many times he's used them in this thread. You can't make this shit up. He's a fucking robot...
Foil Hat---47 times
Moron ---41 times
Stupid ---28 times
Idiot ---27 times
Imbecile---12 times
Lies --- 8 times
Insane --- 8 times
Dumb --- 6 times
Mental --- 7 times
Drooling--- 6 times
Retard --- 6 times
Crazy --- 6 times
Lunatic --- 5 times
Why do you waste your energy to that, while all you need to do is prove that there were even one explosion at the WTC towers, from any video material filmed at 9.11.2001? And why all that hate while all what I have done is prove that your foil hat mentors are lying to you? I just call you guys what you have proved you are, so don't take it personally..I mean if you see the video where Rich Piana is slapping Jason Genova, what you will say? Piana slapped moron? Piana slapped this quite fine young gentleman Jason? Why would I do differently? If you doesn't want to be called a moron, why do you act like one? Why do you prove you are one, every single time you write something in here? It is up to you what people think about you, it is a reaction to things which you use to prove you are a moron ;D
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Ask yourself, where are the visual indicators of the explosions, because there is a clear difference between the firecracker and the explosion. I have posted examples, and if you still don't know how the explosions look like, I can't force you to learn it. You see, truth can be found also in the details what are missing. When you see the video about the car bomb, you have no doubt that the blast cloud which appears in nanoseconds wouldn't be the outcome of the explosion. Why you don't see anything appearing in nanoseconds at the WTC? Because there isn't any explosions, that's why. There isn't any way to hide explosions, there is always visual indicators you can't miss. And you have to always remember, that this is only a tiny bit of the foil hat stupidity, because all of the videos prove that collapse start from the area which was hit by the aeroplane. So What? So these foil hat guys are stupid enough to claim, that you could prepare massive charge of explosives weeks before, hide it, crash an aeroplane in it, let it burn 56 minutes, and then detonate it and make the towers collapse. All explosives are based on chemical reaction, and all chemicals react to fire, so there isn't really no way that would or could be possible.
Ignited droplets of fuel will continue to release their energy outward into the restricted space of the elevator shaft, and it will be every bit of a series of explosions.
You're just trying to protect your statement that there "were no explosions".
Making distinctions is about the best someone could hope for, because there is no denying that explosions happened and that it came with the territory.
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Btw, "bombs in the lobby" and the related stories are all due to that, IMO.
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Ask yourself, where are the visual indicators of the explosions, because there is a clear difference between the firecracker and the explosion. I have posted examples, and if you still don't know how the explosions look like, I can't force you to learn it. You see, truth can be found also in the details what are missing. When you see the video about the car bomb, you have no doubt that the blast cloud which appears in nanoseconds wouldn't be the outcome of the explosion. Why you don't see anything appearing in nanoseconds at the WTC? Because there isn't any explosions, that's why. There isn't any way to hide explosions, there is always visual indicators you can't miss. And you have to always remember, that this is only a tiny bit of the foil hat stupidity, because all of the videos prove that collapse start from the area which was hit by the aeroplane. So What? So these foil hat guys are stupid enough to claim, that you could prepare massive charge of explosives weeks before, hide it, crash an aeroplane in it, let it burn 56 minutes, and then detonate it and make the towers collapse. All explosives are based on chemical reaction, and all chemicals react to fire, so there isn't really no way that would or could be possible.
In the next video posted below, go to the minute 6:12 if you want to hear the explosions while the twin tower was blowing up in it's way down, you retarded lying piece of shit.
There is a video, you fucking imbecile. Live testimony while you hear the exlosion in the back. Keep going.
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9/11 Documentary -The Birth of Treason.
Professionals who did the testing, and are telling the why's and how's the official story did not only add up, but how the goverment fully knowingly lie to the American public so they could keep their sorry as job.
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Why all this irrelevant nonsense? All you have to do, is prove there were explosion in the WTC towers, so please show even one from any video filmed that day? If some of the foil hats would have been able to do it, there wouldn't be this thread at all, so why don't you prove it? Why don't you even try? What kind of moron you are, because it would be by far the easiest way to prove the conspiracy? So why it doesn't happen? BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ANY EXPLOSIONS. That is the only reason, and you can't prove otherwise, no matter how much you cry and scream. So, now, when no one have no doubt that you are an idiot, what next?
It's only nonsense to you retarded inbreed from Europe, when confronted with facts that just don't add up, and show a clear signs of corruption in our goverment, you proceed to tell us Americans that all this information is irrelevant. What's not adding up here? The official story or you?
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Same goat shepherds who kick Russians out from the Afganistan, and their leader Osama, net worth +300 000 000$. And exactly what multi billion dollar defense system you are talking about? Did you have at the 2001 some kind of defense system against passenger jets?
In the Finnish language we have a term "myötähäpeä", which doesn't have equivalent in English language. Definition of the term is quite simple, it means a sense of shame you feel on someone else’s behalf, like you feel shame when your drunken mother sucks your uncle's cock in the middle of the family barbeque. These "thoughts" of yours make me shame that we live on the same planet, I have a quite strong myötähäpeä towards you just now ;D
Those 19 goat shepherds were Saudis you infinite retarded inbreed, not from Afghanistan, the afghans drove Russia back thanks to us. This tell us how much you really know what happen that day in our country, but keep going, the more you post the more it clearly show us your retardation.
Osama, net worth +300 000 000$? You are talking the one who lived in caves? Who's spreading bullshit propaganda and lies now?
North American Aerospace Defense Command, have you read about it? that's our multibillion defense system, morron, and here's the description.
NORAD Missions
In close collaboration with homeland defense, security, and law enforcement partners, prevent air attacks against North America, safeguard the sovereign airspaces of the United States and Canada by responding to unknown, unwanted, and unauthorized air activity approaching and operating within these airspaces, and provide aerospace and maritime warning for North America.
http://www.norad.mil/AboutNORAD.aspx
In a word, OWNED!!!
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So you have no idea.
Yep, thought so.
The people who dont believe the official story never seem to have an opinion on what they believe happened and there is a very good reason for that.
They dont give an opinion because they have nothing to back it up when questioned.
Thanks for playing.
Why don't YOU, Ozmo, and Ropo the retarded inbreed from Finland proceed below to wright nice and neatly a resume explanation out of the Official conspiracy 9/11 commission report so we, Getbiggers can finally understand what really happened that day, since it looks we are so lost in the details? We will be waiting. Thank you in advance.
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Why don't YOU, Ozmo, and Ropo the retarded inbreed from Finland proceed below to wright nice and neatly a resume explanation out of the Official conspiracy 9/11 commission report so we, Getbiggers can finally understand what really happened that day, since it looks we are so lost in the details? We will be waiting. Thank you in advance.
Its still pretty obvious you haven't read the report or other independent credible peer reviewed research. And still most of what you post is incorrect.
You Truffers are a joke.
Still wondering what kind of stupid you are.
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So you are saying that the sound of floors hitting each other during the collapse is a sound of explosions, and you try to prove it by showing dust cloud which is hanging downwards, flowing without any kind of bursts, nothing flashing and even the windows shattering only by the floors pressing them in the pieces? Please, go and kill yourself, you are too stupid to be alive. Where is the dust clouds and debris flashing out from the building horizontally, which you can clearly see in any controlled demolition, even when they are covered with blasting mats to protect bystanders? You can't answer, because you can't copy paste that answer anywhere, and you don't have the brains to answer yourself ;D
Let's play this game but another way. So you are telling us that the floors collapsing were so loud they sounded like explosion in it's way down?
You can tell the individual in the video is way more far than it looks like, since we are talking about one of the tallest building in the world, not some tall building in New York, do you understand the relativity of distance? Are you one of those flat earthlings?
So floors collapsing sound like explosions now? Were are your video evidence of such occurrence, retard?
Minute 6:12 in the video.
But keep posting, at the end you will be always OWNED!!!
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Let's play this game but another way. So you are telling us that the floors collapsing were so loud they sounded like explosion in it's way down?
You can tell the individual in the video is way more far than it looks like, since we are talking about one of the tallest building in the world, not some tall building in New York, do you understand the relativity of distance? Are you one of those flat earthlings?
So floors collapsing sound like explosions now? Were are your video evidence of such occurrence, retard?
But keep posting, at the end you will be always OWNED!!!
He is not telling you that dumb ass. refer to the exchange on the CT board you had with him.
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Its still pretty obvious you haven't read the report or other independent credible peer reviewed research. And still most of what you post is incorrect.
You Truffers are a joke.
Still wondering what kind of stupid you are.
Enlighten us here, and stop filling up this thread with nonsense then.
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Its still pretty obvious you haven't read the report or other independent credible peer reviewed research. And still most of what you post is incorrect.
You Truffers are a joke.
Still wondering what kind of stupid you are.
But what did you mean by this:
I do however, suspect that some in the government may have known about it before hand
You go on to say that "it will never be proven", but isn't that due to lack of investigation -- like them trying to stop the Saudis from being held accountable? Wouldn't you suspect that as being a reason?
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Ozmo, I owned you way back, and now I'm done with you. Not worth my posts anymore.
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Ozmo, I owned you way back, and now I'm done with you. Not worth my posts anymore.
Still in CT lala land i see.
You owned your self when suggested that research on how to make buildings safer from what happened to them on 9/11 wasn't preceded on why they failed on 9/11.
You claiming that you owned me as a reult of this demonstrates how stupid of a person you are.
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Enlighten us here, and stop filling up this thread with nonsense then.
The basis of the accusation i have read you make are incorrect.
I would be happy to enlighten you.... When you read the report(s) and make a correct accusation.
Still you haven't yet done that.
Maybe because you are stupid.
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9/11: Bush Admits “Explosives” Used At World Trade Center (Video)
Start watching at 0:37 seconds for a in your face revelation from non other than our own president. How you like them apples now?
All of you goverment shill defenders are OWNED!!!
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9/11: Bush Admits “Explosives” Used At World Trade Center (Video)
Start watching at 0:37 seconds for a in your face revelation from non other than our own president. How you like them apples now?
All of you goverment shill defenders are OWNED!!!
Sheist, man. This one IS weird.
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Ask yourself, where are the visual indicators of the explosions, because there is a clear difference between the firecracker and the explosion. I have posted examples, and if you still don't know how the explosions look like, I can't force you to learn it. You see, truth can be found also in the details what are missing. When you see the video about the car bomb, you have no doubt that the blast cloud which appears in nanoseconds wouldn't be the outcome of the explosion. Why you don't see anything appearing in nanoseconds at the WTC? Because there isn't any explosions, that's why. There isn't any way to hide explosions, there is always visual indicators you can't miss. And you have to always remember, that this is only a tiny bit of the foil hat stupidity, because all of the videos prove that collapse start from the area which was hit by the aeroplane. So What? So these foil hat guys are stupid enough to claim, that you could prepare massive charge of explosives weeks before, hide it, crash an aeroplane in it, let it burn 56 minutes, and then detonate it and make the towers collapse. All explosives are based on chemical reaction, and all chemicals react to fire, so there isn't really no way that would or could be possible.
Nano-thermite explosives shown above were gathered from the WTC debris shortly after the towers fell on 9/11. Brigham Young University Physics Professor, Dr. Steven Jones, discovered the explosives and joined an international team of nine scientists for further analysis. Through extensive laboratory testing, the scientists concluded that the samples were Nano-thermitic explosives. After a rigorous peer-review process, their paper was published in the Bentham Chemical Physics Journal, which has been endorsed by Nobel Laureates and is respected within the scientific community.
The paper's first author is Dr. Niels Harrit, a 37-year Professor of Chemistry at Copenhagen University in Denmark and an expert in Nano-chemistry, who says, "The official account put forth by NIST violates the fundamental laws of physics."
Government and independent evidence corroborates Thermitic explosives used to bring down all three WTC Towers on 9/11. (sources 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8)
http://investigate911.org/
What you don't see to get a grasp on is that on 9, 11 of 2001, 2 of the tallest buildings in the World, full of asbestos came down in seconds, you imbecile.
Let that sink in for a moment.
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So people really believe that the most secure building on US soil only had one surveillance camera that showed that side of the building that day? Really? You'd have to be simply retarded to think there is only one single camera with a shitty view that captured the missile hit the pentagon. If it was a jet, it would have been shot down. There is a defense system that protects the Pentagon against that very thing happening. My God people are naive... That video footage was released from that camera because it sucked, and doesn't give a clear view of what actually hit the Pentagon. It sure appeased all the idiots that can't see beyond the spoon fed shit they're given to eat by the government though.
Ok littlecawk, link us to the witnesses that saw a missle.
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But what did you mean by this:
You go on to say that "it will never be proven", but isn't that due to lack of investigation -- like them trying to stop the Saudis from being held accountable? Wouldn't you suspect that as being a reason?
I call truffers a joke because they use flawed logic, rhetoric, crack pot science, etc. as the basis for their arguments combined with an arrogant condescending tone when in reality they constantly demonstrate themselves to be fucking idiots. they use false assertions as the a base for their arguments. For example "19 goat herders" or "Office fire". They are laughed at by the world, by professionals, and anyone with common sense. Especially those who take the time objectively research 9/11.
They are more interested in "winning" an argument than finding out the truth. They look through tainted glasses, only seeing information that supports their preconceived beliefs rather than compiling and researching information and then formulating a conclusion.
I initially was intrigued when i saw my first CT youtube vid about 10 years ago. I was for a time believing there was merit to it. But i kept researching, i personally talked to people who had first hand expertise in the some of the aspects of 9/11, read books, spent hours on the net.
There is no credible evidence that says WTC 1,2,7 where brought down by planted explosives, or the pentagon was hit by a missile. However there are stacks of credible evidence that supports the official and independent reports that backed by science and peer reviewed. Otherwise, if this wasn't the case, scientific community would be in a uproar. There would be for more than a few thousand crack pot scientist claiming there was a cover up, it would be millions of them.
As for the possibility of CT concerning for knowledge. i freely admit there isn't evidence to back it up and the time for an investigation into that is long past.
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I call truffers a joke because they use flawed logic, rhetoric, crack pot science, etc. as the basis for their arguments combined with an arrogant condescending tone when in reality they constantly demonstrate themselves to be fucking idiots. they use false assertions as the a base for their arguments. For example "19 goat herders" or "Office fire". They are laughed at by the world, by professionals, and anyone with common sense. Especially those who take the time objectively research 9/11.
They are more interested in "winning" an argument than finding out the truth. They look through tainted glasses, only seeing information that supports their preconceived beliefs rather than compiling and researching information and then formulating a conclusion.
I initially was intrigued when i saw my first CT youtube vid about 10 years ago. I was for a time believing there was merit to it. But i kept researching, i personally talked to people who had first hand expertise in the some of the aspects of 9/11, read books, spent hours on the net.
There is no credible evidence that says WTC 1,2,7 where brought down by planted explosives, or the pentagon was hit by a missile. However there are stacks of credible evidence that supports the official and independent reports that backed by science and peer reviewed. Otherwise, if this wasn't the case, scientific community would be in a uproar. There would be for more than a few thousand crack pot scientist claiming there was a cover up, it would be millions of them.
As for the possibility of CT concerning for knowledge. i freely admit there isn't evidence to back it up and the time for an investigation into that is long past.
Yes I agree there is so much wacko bullshit out there. I'd say well over 90%. But that's a winning way for anyone who wants good reason to dismiss everything: they can rightly say they've "investigated" it by watching hundreds of hours of video on the subject, and it's "all" insanity, and in a sense they'd be right.
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Nano-thermite explosives shown above were gathered from the WTC debris shortly after the towers fell on 9/11. Brigham Young University Physics Professor, Dr. Steven Jones, discovered the explosives and joined an international team of nine scientists for further analysis. Through extensive laboratory testing, the scientists concluded that the samples were Nano-thermitic explosives. After a rigorous peer-review process, their paper was published in the Bentham Chemical Physics Journal, which has been endorsed by Nobel Laureates and is respected within the scientific community.
The paper's first author is Dr. Niels Harrit, a 37-year Professor of Chemistry at Copenhagen University in Denmark and an expert in Nano-chemistry, who says, "The official account put forth by NIST violates the fundamental laws of physics."
Government and independent evidence corroborates Thermitic explosives used to bring down all three WTC Towers on 9/11. (sources 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8)
http://investigate911.org/
What you don't see to get a grasp on is that on 9, 11 of 2001, 2 of the tallest buildings in the World, full of asbestos came down in seconds, you imbecile.
Let that sink in for a moment.
https://digwithin.net/2013/12/08/thermite/
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Sheist, man. This one IS weird.
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This is a good example of what i am talking about. In this video Bush speech is taken out of context by CTers as they calim he was talking about explosives planted in the WTCs. that shold be a smoking gun right?
that's not the case at all. Here is a transcript to that speech:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/washington/15bush_transcript.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/washington/15bush_transcript.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0)
The first bill will allow us to use military commissions to try suspected terrorists for war crimes. We need the legislation because the Supreme Court recently ruled that military commissions must be explicitly authorized by Congress.
So we're working with Congress. The Supreme Court said, You must work with Congress, we are working with Congress to get a good piece of legislation out.
The bill I have proposed will ensure that suspected terrorists will receive full and fair trials without revealing to them our nation's sensitive intelligence secrets.
As soon as Congress acts on this bill, the men our intelligence believed helped orchestrate the 9/11 attacks can face justice.
The bill would also provide clear rules for our personnel involved in detaining and questioning captured terrorists.
The information that the Central Intelligence Agency has obtained by questioning men like Khalid Sheik Mohammed has provided valuable information and has helped disrupt terrorist plots, including strikes within the United States.
For example, Khalid Sheik Mohammed described the design of plane attacks on building inside the U.S. and how operatives were directed to carry them out. That is valuable information for those of us who have the responsibility to protect the American people.
He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping.
He gave us information that helped uncover Al Qaida cells' efforts to obtain biological weapons.
We've also learned information from the CIA program that has helped stop other plots, including attacks on the U.S. Marine base in East Africa, our American consulate in Pakistan, or Britain's Heathrow Airport.
This program has been one of the most vital tools in our efforts to protect this country. It's been invaluable to our country, and it's invaluable to our allies.
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Yes I agree there is so much wacko bullshit out there. I'd say well over 90%. But that's a winning way for anyone who wants good reason to dismiss everything: they can rightly say they've "investigated" it by watching hundreds of hours of video on the subject, and it's "all" insanity, and in a sense they'd be right.
You can't just watch videos. Too easy to manipulate the viewer.
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You can't just watch videos. Too easy to manipulate the viewer.
I agree. Who knows what was done to the video. Will look at what you posted above.
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I see only one mention of the word. I'm trying to figure out what he could have meant by "to ensure that the explosives went off at a point that was high enough"
Meaning to wreck the planes "high enough" or what?
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I'll admit that's a strange one.
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I see only one mention of the word. I'm trying to figure out what he could have meant by "to ensure that the explosives went off at a point that was high enough"
Meaning to wreck the planes "high enough" or what?
He was referring to proposed attacks the Khalid was telling them about from his interrogation.
Also there is a grammar mistake in the transcript that suggests Bush may have misread it.
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I call truffers a joke because they use flawed logic, rhetoric, crack pot science, etc. as the basis for their arguments combined with an arrogant condescending tone when in reality they constantly demonstrate themselves to be fucking idiots. they use false assertions as the a base for their arguments. For example "19 goat herders" or "Office fire". They are laughed at by the world, by professionals, and anyone with common sense. Especially those who take the time objectively research 9/11.
They are more interested in "winning" an argument than finding out the truth. They look through tainted glasses, only seeing information that supports their preconceived beliefs rather than compiling and researching information and then formulating a conclusion.
I initially was intrigued when i saw my first CT youtube vid about 10 years ago. I was for a time believing there was merit to it. But i kept researching, i personally talked to people who had first hand expertise in the some of the aspects of 9/11, read books, spent hours on the net.
There is no credible evidence that says WTC 1,2,7 where brought down by planted explosives, or the pentagon was hit by a missile. However there are stacks of credible evidence that supports the official and independent reports that backed by science and peer reviewed. Otherwise, if this wasn't the case, scientific community would be in a uproar. There would be for more than a few thousand crack pot scientist claiming there was a cover up, it would be millions of them.
As for the possibility of CT concerning for knowledge. i freely admit there isn't evidence to back it up and the time for an investigation into that is long past.
good post
There was a studie that showed that tinfoilvhats lke suckssomdolme believes in false info mjch more then us normal people cause they only look at sites that has a agenda
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He was referring to proposed attacks the Khalid was telling them about from his interrogation.
Also there is a grammar mistake in the transcript that suggests Bush may have misread it.
So despite the similarities, there's nothing to say it refers to WTC? Good catch, OzmO.
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What about that, Matador?
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I wonder how that plot fits in time-wise with 9/11? It couldn't have been after, I wouldn't think. It must refer to a plot which existed pre-9/11 and was uncovered through post-9/11 tactics.
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I wonder how that plot fits in time-wise with 9/11? It couldn't have been after, I wouldn't think. It must refer to a plot which existed pre-9/11 and was uncovered through post-9/11 tactics.
I don't think he's smart enough to understand what you are doing here. Honest to God you got me dying in laughter, tears are coming out my eyes.
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I don't think he's smart enough to understand what you are doing here. Honest to God you got me dying in laughter, tears are coming out my eyes.
It's possible to say it referred to the planned use of private planes with explosives in them, post-9/11. Because I'm not sure what else it could mean.
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I don't think he's smart enough to understand what you are doing here. Honest to God you got me dying in laughter, tears are coming out my eyes.
Do you believe all those guys intended to die, that day? Or just some of them, or what? I think some did, but others probably didn't know what they were getting into.
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I don't think he's smart enough to understand what you are doing here. Honest to God you got me dying in laughter, tears are coming out my eyes.
Is it because your vid post is a fail or you are just hoping LV is playing games?
Either way it doesn't matter, your vid post is a fail not on the just on the context level, also on the common sense level.
Still waiting for your response to your allege smoking gun.
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Is it because your vid post is a fail or you are just hoping LV is playing games?
Either way it doesn't matter, your vid post is a fail not on the just on the context level, also on the common sense level.
Still waiting for your response to your allege smoking gun.
No, not playing games. It just got me thinking about what it might have meant. I'd say post-9/11 private planes with explosives on them is the only thing which makes sense, but it's just kind of weird how he jumped right into mentioning "the explosives" when he'd been talking about plane attacks on high buildings.
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When he says "the explosives", it sounds as though he expects us to refer back to something he'd just said, even though it's the first time he mentions explosives.
But I know we're talking about GWB, here.
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Is it because your vid post is a fail or you are just hoping LV is playing games?
Either way it doesn't matter, your vid post is a fail not on the just on the context level, also on the common sense level.
Still waiting for your response to your allege smoking gun.
What about you, OzmO? Do you think all those guys intended to die, or do you think some weren't fully aware of what was happening until it was too late?
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Those 19 goat shepherds were Saudis you infinite retarded inbreed, not from Afghanistan, the afghans drove Russia back thanks to us. This tell us how much you really know what happen that day in our country, but keep going, the more you post the more it clearly show us your retardation.
Osama, net worth +300 000 000$? You are talking the one who lived in caves? Who's spreading bullshit propaganda and lies now?
North American Aerospace Defense Command, have you read about it? that's our multibillion defense system, morron, and here's the description.
NORAD Missions
In close collaboration with homeland defense, security, and law enforcement partners, prevent air attacks against North America, safeguard the sovereign airspaces of the United States and Canada by responding to unknown, unwanted, and unauthorized air activity approaching and operating within these airspaces, and provide aerospace and maritime warning for North America.
http://www.norad.mil/AboutNORAD.aspx
In a word, OWNED!!!
Here's the thing about the 19 sheep herders. People like to think they were religious suicide bombers but these guys were nothing close to devout muslims. They went to strip clubs regularly in Florida, drank, fucked prostitutes etc... Any muslim thinking they were going on a mission to serve God and kill themselves wouldn't be doing that shit. These guys were suicide bombers. They are pawns used to point the finger to.
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Here's the thing about the 19 sheep herders. People like to think they were religious suicide bombers but these guys were nothing close to devout muslims. They went to strip clubs regularly in Florida, drank, fucked prostitutes etc... Any muslim thinking they were going on a mission to serve God and kill themselves wouldn't be doing that shit. These guys were suicide bombers. They are pawns used to point the finger to.
I've seen it explained to say it was part of a process to become mentally prepared for death.
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No, not playing games. It just got me thinking about what it might have meant. I'd say post-9/11 private planes with explosives on them is the only thing which makes sense, but it's just kind of weird how he jumped right into mentioning "the explosives" when he'd been talking about plane attacks on high buildings.
We are talking about GWB here as you said. And i think he might have miss read it.
He could have been talking about the explosion that is created when a plane hits a building thus trapping the people on the floors above the place of impact.
What's not likely is 5 years later a speech writer who knew about the greatest cover up in history accidentally wrote the truth, no one caught it who proof read the speech and then Bush read it.
What about you, OzmO? Do you think all those guys intended to die, or do you think some weren't fully aware of what was happening until it was too late?
Both are possible. But i think its likely they all knew that it was a suicide mission.
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9/11: Missing Black Boxes in World Trade Center Attacks Found by Firefighters, Analyzed by NTSB, Concealed by FBI
One of the more puzzling mysteries of 9-11 is what ever happened to the flight recorders of the two planes that hit the World Trade Center towers. Now it appears that they may not be missing at all.
Counterpunch has learned that the FBI has them.
Flight recorders (commonly known as black boxes, though these days they are generally bright orange) are required on all passenger planes. There are always two-a flight data recorder that keeps track of a plane’s speed, altitude, course and maneuvers, and a cockpit voice recorder which keeps a continuous record of the last 30 minutes of conversation inside a plane’s cockpit. These devices are constructed to be extremely durable, and are installed in a plane’s tail section, where they are least likely suffer damaged on impact. They are designed to withstand up to 30 minutes of 1800-degree heat (more than they would have faced in the twin towers crashes), and to survive a crash at full speed into the ground.
All four of the devices were recovered from the two planes that hit the Pentagon and that crashed in rural Pennsylvania. In the case of American Airlines Flight 77, which hit the Pentagon, the FBI reports that the flight data recorder survived and had recoverable information, but the voice recorder was allegedly too damaged to provide any record. In the case of United Airlines Flight 93, which hit the ground at 500 mph in Pennsylvania, the situation was reversed: the voice recorder survived but the flight data box was allegedly damaged beyond recovery.
But the FBI states, and also reported to the 9-11 Commission, that none of the recording devices from the two planes that hit the World Trade Center were ever recovered.
There has always been some skepticism about this assertion, particularly as two N.Y. City firefighters, Mike Bellone and Nicholas De Masi, claimed in 2004 that they had found three of the four boxes, and that Federal agents took them and told the two men not to mention having found them. (The FBI denies the whole story.) Moreover, these devices are almost always located after crashes, even if not in useable condition (and the cleanup of the World Trade Center was meticulous, with even tiny bone fragments and bits of human tissue being discovered so that almost all the victims were ultimately identified). As Ted Lopatkiewicz, director of public affairs at the National Transportation Safety Agency which has the job of analyzing the boxes’ data, says, “It’s very unusual not to find a recorder after a crash, although it’s also very unusual to have jets flying into buildings.”
Now there is stronger evidence that something is amiss than simply the alleged non-recovery of all four of those boxes. A source at the National Transportation Safety Board, the agency that has the task of deciphering the date from the black boxes retrieved from crash sites-including those that are being handled as crimes and fall under the jurisdiction of the FBI-says the boxes were in fact recovered and were analyzed by the NTSB.
“Off the record, we had the boxes,” the source says. “You’d have to get the official word from the FBI as to where they are, but we worked on them here.”
The official word from the NTSB is that the WTC crash site black boxes never turned up. “No recorders were recovered from the World Trade Center,” says the NTSB’s Lopatkiewicz. “At least none were delivered to us by the FBI.” He adds that the agency has “always had a good relationship’ with the FBI and that in all prior crime-related crashes or flight incidents, they have brought the boxes to the NTSB for analysis.
For its part, the FBI is still denying everything, though with curious bit of linguistic wiggle room. “To the best of my knowledge, the flight recording devices from the World Trade Center crashes were never recovered. At least we never had them,” says FBI spokesman Stephen Kodak.
What the apparent existence of the black boxes in government hands means is unclear.
If the information in those boxes is recoverable, or if, as is likely, it has been recovered already, it could give crucial evidence regarding the skill of the hijacker/pilots, perhaps of their strategy, of whether they were getting outside help in guiding them to their targets, of how fast they were flying and a host of other things.
Why would the main intelligence and law enforcement arm of the U.S. government want to hide from the public not just the available information about the two hijacked flights that provided the motivation and justification for the nation’s “War on Terror” and for its two wars against Afghanistan and Iraq, but even the fact that it has the devices which could contain that information? Conspiracy theories abound, with some claiming the planes were actually pilotless military aircraft, or that they had little or nothing to do with the building collapses. The easiest way to quash such rumors and such fevered thinking would be openness.
Instead we have the opposite: a dark secrecy that invites many questions regarding the potentially embarrassing or perhaps even sinister information that might be on those tapes.
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I've seen it explained to say it was part of a process to become mentally prepared for death.
They'd only commit suicide thinking it was a direct ticket to heaven but then wouldn't partake in the drinking and whores. These devout muslims are real picky about this shit and no way they would have done both extremes.
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Here's the thing about the 19 sheep herders. People like to think they were religious suicide bombers but these guys were nothing close to devout muslims. They went to strip clubs regularly in Florida, drank, fucked prostitutes etc... Any muslim thinking they were going on a mission to serve God and kill themselves wouldn't be doing that shit. These guys were suicide bombers. They are pawns used to point the finger to.
religious hypocracy is nothing new lol
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We are talking about GWB here as you said. And i think he might have miss read it.
He could have been talking about the explosion that is created when a plane hits a building thus trapping the people on the floors above the place of impact.
What's not likely is 5 years later a speech writer who knew about the greatest cover up in history accidentally wrote the truth, no one caught it who proof read the speech and then Bush read it.
Both are possible. But i think its likely they all knew that it was a suicide mission.
I agree. If this was written, and likely it was since he said "building" instead of plural, then yeah.
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religious hypocracy is nothing new lol
Not for people about to commit suicide to get into heaven.
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They'd only commit suicide thinking it was a direct ticket to heaven but then wouldn't partake in the drinking and whores. These devout muslims are real picky about this shit and no way they would have done both extremes.
Good point. Any Muslims reading the thread in the future: please clarify. We won't hold it against you.
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Lmao, pork chops were one of Atta's favorite foods? IDK for sure but that's a standing claim.
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Not for people about to commit suicide to get into heaven.
Makes sense. Next questions would be: who did, what did they do, when and to what degree?
I should also say, my personal experience with Muslims is that they don't look at their actions and their salvation the same way as Christians do.
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Interesting little thing, right here:
One of the first and most frequently told stories about the 9/11 hijackers is the visit of two hijackers to Shuckums, a sports bar in Hollywood, Florida, on September 7, 2001. What is particularly interesting about this story is how it changes over time. In the original story, first reported on September 12, 2001 [Associated Press, 9/12/2001] , hijackers Mohamed Atta and Marwan Alshehhi, and an unidentified man, came into the restaurant already drunk. “They were wasted,” says bartender Patricia Idrissi, who directed them to a nearby Chinese restaurant. [St. Petersburg Times, 9/13/2001] Later they returned and drank—Atta ordered five vodka and orange juices, while Alshehhi ordered five rum and Cokes. [Time, 9/24/2001] According to manager Tony Amos, “The guy Mohamed was drunk, his voice was slurred, and he had a thick accent.” Idrissi says they argued about the bill, and when she asked if there was a problem, “Mohamed said he worked for American Airlines and he could pay his bill.” [Associated Press, 9/12/2001] This story is widely reported through much of September. [New York Times, 9/13/2001; South Florida Sun-Sentinel, 9/15/2001; Sunday Herald (Glasgow), 9/16/2001; Miami Herald, 9/22/2001; Newsweek, 9/24/2001; Time, 9/24/2001] However, beginning on September 15, a second story appears. [Toronto Star, 9/15/2001] This story is similar to the first, except that here, Atta was playing video games and drinking cranberry juice instead of vodka, and Alshehhi was the one who argued over the bill and paid. After some coexistence, the second story becomes predominant in late September 2001. This new version makes no reference to the fact that alcohol had been mentioned in previous accounts of the incident. [Washington Post, 9/16/2001; Washington Post, 9/22/2001; Los Angeles Times, 9/27/2001; St. Petersburg Times, 9/27/2001; Australian Broadcasting Corporation, 11/12/2001; Sunday Times (London), 2/3/2002]
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How do buildings accelerate as they collapse? Controlled demolition... The buildings accelerated, which means there could have been zero resistance from lower floors... Why?? Explosives... Yes there were traces of thermite and nanothermite at the site...used by the military for demolition...the fires were not hot enough to melt steel, but yet there were pools of molten steel at the base of the rubble that stayed hot for weeks. Why? Thermite.
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From the Boston Herald:
Terrorists partied with hooker at Hub-area hotel
While preparing to unleash their twisted "holy war'' on America, some of the suicide hijackers set aside strict religious beliefs to whet their lusty appetites, partying with a high-priced hooker in Hub hotel rooms.
A driver for a pair of local escort services told the Herald yesterday that he drove a call girl to the Park Inn in Chestnut Hill on Sept. 9 around 10:30 p.m. where she bedded down with one of the mass murderers. It was her second trip to the terrorist's room that day.
Two of the hijackers aboard Flight 11 that crashed into the World Trade Center - Waleed M. Alshehri and Wail Alshehri - spent Sept. 9 in the Route 9 hotel, sources said.
"She went there earlier in the day and then again later in the night,'' the driver said of the escort. "She saw just one guy when I drove her over there.''
The escort, a white blond woman in her early 20s, had a 20 minute tryst in the hotel room with one of the hijackers. She was paid $180 in cash, the driver said.
"She freaked out when she saw his picture on TV,'' he said. "She recognized one of the faces.'' Managers for the Park Inn did not return phone calls seeking comment.
In the days before the attack, the driver brought the same woman to the Days Hotel on Soldiers Field Road in Brighton where some of the hijackers are known to have stayed. The woman, who worked for Broadway International and Day and Night Encounters escort services, told the driver she partied with one of the hijackers at the hotel. Day and Night Encounters advertises escorts ``for the most discriminating of gentlemen and their most important occasion.''
Representatives for both companies did not return phone calls last night.
According to Days Hotel manager Adam Sperling, one of the hijackers was a registered guest at the hotel from Sept. 8 through Sept. 11. Sources told the Herald that more than one of the terrorists stayed there those nights.
The FBI confiscated guest records, but there were no traceable phone calls on the hotel bill because they apparently used a calling card to make their calls. Sperling said he had ``no knowledge'' that the hijackers were visited by call girls in their room.
The driver, who was unsure of the names of the hijackers seen by the woman, said he also routinely brought women to a male relative of alleged terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden.
"I drove some of the girls to him,'' the driver said, adding that the relative often had friends with him. "They were using them right up until the day (the attacks) happened. He used to see the girls once a week. Now, since the bombings, no calls.''
Bin Laden has several relatives in the Boston area, many of whom returned to Saudi Arabia in the days after the Sept. 11 attacks.
The FBI has interviewed the driver and the call girl and has seized records from the two escort services, the driver said. The woman, shaken by her sudden involvement in the international probe, has hired a lawyer, he added.
Workers at several escort services called by the Herald yesterday reported that they have been questioned by the FBI as to whether any of their women may have been with the hijackers.
FBI spokeswoman Gail Marcinkiewicz would not confirm or deny whether any of the hijackers rented hookers in the days before the attacks. She also would not comment on whether agents have questioned workers at the city's many escort services.
The dirty Hub dalliances of the terrorists is just the latest link between the Koran-toting killers and America's seedy sex scene. In Florida, several of the hijackers - including reputed ringleader Mohamed Atta - spent $200 to $300 each on lap dances in the Pink Pony strip club.
The group ran up drink tabs, spewed anti-American sentiments and talked of impending bloodshed a few days before the attacks, according to published reports. The group left behind a copy of the Koran - the Muslim holy book - at the Florida bar.
And in Las Vegas, at least six of the hijackers spent time living it up on the Strip on various occasions between May and August. Marwan Al-Shehhi, who was aboard the second plane that slammed into the World Trade Center, frequently got lap dances at the Olympic Garden Topless Cabaret where he had a reputation as a lousy tipper, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.
FBI agents have also reportedly questioned the owners of Nardone's Go-Go Bar in Elizabeth, N.J. Several of the terrorists spent time in nearby Paterson and Newark and reportedly patronized the club.
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How did America link this to Iraq?
And why did they attack Iraq, instead of focusing on Al Qaeda and Bin Laden?
Iraq had nothing to do with this and caused the most global repercussions in terms of increased terrorism and destabilization.
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How did America link this to Iraq?
And why did they attack Iraq, instead of focusing on Al Qaeda and Bin Laden?
Iraq had nothing to do with this and caused the most global repercussions in terms of increased terrorism and destabilization.
IMO that was a fully intended consequence, and Obama's actions since will back that up. Yes, I view him as the GWB Admin II. Hillary will be the GWB Admin III.
They're working on behalf of those who benefit from a surveillance-state.
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IMO that was a fully intended consequence, and Obama's actions since will back that up. Yes, I view him as the GWB Admin II. Hillary will be the GWB Admin III.
They're working on behalf of those who benefit from a surveillance-state.
I keep hearing this shit all the time, whos checking up on who?
I dont care if the government tap into my PC or telephone and follow me around, FFS they must be fucking bored.
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Lmao, pork chops were one of Atta's favorite foods? IDK for sure but that's a standing claim.
Atta's dad claimed he called him on Sept 12th.
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(http://images.nymag.com/news/9-11/10th-anniversary/hijackers110905_560.jpg)
The Twentieth Hijacker
NYmag
The asymmetry was disturbing. There were five hijackers on the plane that crashed into the North Tower, five on the flight that brought down the South Tower, and five on the one that plowed into the Pentagon. But there were only four on United 93, which crashed in an empty field in western Pennsylvania. Was there supposed to be a fifth man on that flight too? Was he still at large? So when the news broke in the days after 9/11 that, nearly a month before the attacks, U.S. immigration officials in Minnesota had arrested and continued to hold Zacarias Moussaoui—a French-Moroccan man with jihadist ties who’d come to the States to attend flight-training school—it seemed as if at least one mystery had been solved. In Moussaoui, we had found the twentieth hijacker.
But Moussaoui’s incompetence soon proved to be so great that it became difficult to believe Al Qaeda would have ever entrusted him to mail a postcard, much less pilot a plane. He dropped out of one flight school. He aroused suspicions at another by reportedly saying he wanted to learn how to fly a 747 but had no interest in taking off or landing. Representing himself for part of his trial (his court-appointed attorneys were “bloodsuckers” and “the death team”), he denied he was part of the 9/11 plot before later pleading guilty to the charges. By the time he was sentenced to life in prison, in 2006, the captured 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed had told American interrogators that Moussaoui wasn’t part of that terrorist plot but another one. And not long after Moussaoui arrived at the federal supermax prison in Colorado, an audiotape believed to be from bin Laden surfaced, stating, “I am the one in charge of the nineteen brothers, and I never assigned brother Zacarias to be with them in that mission … [H]e wasn’t No. 20 in the group.”
So was there a No. 20, after all? If so, who was he? According to the 9/11 Commission, there were at least nine and possibly ten men, in addition to the nineteen on the planes, whom bin Laden recruited to participate in the attacks, but only one of those men appears to have come close to joining the nineteen (the others either weren’t able to enter the U.S. or backed out) [T4 ].
In August 2001, a little more than a month before the attacks, a Saudi man in his early twenties named Mohammed Mani Ahmed al-Qahtani flew from Dubai via London to Orlando. According to Mustafa al-Hawsawi, one of the 9/11 financiers, Qahtani was “the last one” to “complete the group,” and Mohamed Atta himself had driven to the Orlando airport to meet him. But when Qahtani—who traveled on a one-way ticket and carried only $2,800—tried to go through Customs, a border official suspected he might try to immigrate illegally and sent him back to Dubai.
The following December, Qahtani was captured by Pakistani forces as he was retreating from the battle of Tora Bora. He was later turned over to American officials and sent to Guantánamo, where FBI agents reportedly ascertained that he was indeed supposed to be the twentieth hijacker. In 2008, military prosecutors announced that Qahtani was being charged with war crimes and murder. But in January 2009, six days before George W. Bush left office, a top administration official announced the charges against Qahtani would be dropped on the grounds that the evidence was tainted because he’d been tortured. Military interrogators subjected him to, among other things, sleep deprivation and isolation. He remains in detention at Gitmo. In 2005, lawyers from the Center for Constitutional Rights filed a habeas petition on Qahtani’s behalf. The case, which was originally called Qahtani v. Bush, is still pending. (It’s now called Qahtani v. Obama.) According to an October 2008 “Detainee Assessment” released by WikiLeaks earlier this year, Qahtani is “in good health” and remains a “high risk, as he is likely to pose a threat to the U.S., its interests, and allies.”
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I keep hearing this shit all the time, whos checking up on who?
I dont care if the government tap into my PC or telephone and follow me around, FFS they must be fucking bored.
Would you consider running for office? And would it concern you if you could not contain the information needed for you to win?
Have you ever run a large business, and would it concern you if you could not contain your proprietary information?
Have you ever been to court, and would it concern you if you could not contain the information required for you to succeed?
And most importantly, no matter who you are, if you've wondered how the political body has become so disconnected as to produce "superstars" like Marco Rubio and all the other crumbs who happen to have the EXACT same agenda whether R or D -- one that works against our common benefit, then I say that's your answer. We're now faced with the resulting product from political-shaping allowed by surveillance.
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It has neo-con all over it, judging by the results.
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It has neo-con all over it, judging by the results.
And we have a winner!!!!
American foreign policy in the Middle East makes perfect sense once you understand the true purpose (destroy Shia, control Sunni) and whom it serves (Israeli Zionists and their NeoCon allies). You need look no further than Hillary Clinton's bribes from the big banksters for a blatant example of how US foreign policy gets subverted by treasonous usurpers and foreigners. It's right out there in the open. She's a war pig because it pays, as are most of the establishment candidates.
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CIA And Pentagon Arming Opposite Sides In Syria
http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-cia-pentagon-isis-20160327-story.html
One could not make this shit up, worst than fiction.
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Ken OKeefe Exposes 9-11-01 in 2016
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How do buildings accelerate as they collapse? Controlled demolition... The buildings accelerated, which means there could have been zero resistance from lower floors... Why?? Explosives... Yes there were traces of thermite and nanothermite at the site...used by the military for demolition...the fires were not hot enough to melt steel, but yet there were pools of molten steel at the base of the rubble that stayed hot for weeks. Why? Thermite.
How 2 of the tallest buildings in the world collapsed in mere seconds, better said. Let that sink in for a moment.
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Atta's dad claimed he called him on Sept 12th.
Hadn't heard this one before. Weird how he says (when his son called, according to him) "neither of us knew anything" about the attacks at that time. Really, I'd say the guy was in shock and he was trying to go back to a time when there was still a chance.
Father insists alleged leader is still alive
1 September 2002
The father of Mohammed Atta, the alleged ringleader of the September 11 attacks, said in an interview published yesterday that his son was still alive.
"He is hiding in a secret place so as not to be murdered by the US secret services," Mohammed el-Amir Atta, 66, told the German newspaper Bild am Sonntag. He also vehemently denied that his son - believed to have flown the first plane into the World Trade Centre - had taken part in the atrocities, blaming them instead on "American Christians".
The interview painted a picture of a tortured man who has not come to terms with his 33-year-old son's death or with the huge crime laid at his door. He said he feared the US would try to poison him.
Speaking from his Cairo home, Mr Atta described hearing about the attacks after returning from a holiday on the Red Sea on the evening of September 12. "My daughter called and said she was going to drop in. She stood at the door and said 'turn on the TV'," he said. Amid images of the jets crashing into the Twin Towers, he saw his son's passport photograph.
"As I saw the picture of my son," he said, "I knew that he hadn't done it. My son called me the day after the attacks on September 12 at around midday. We spoke for two minutes about this and that.
"He didn't tell me where he was calling from. At that time neither of us knew anything about the attacks."
Mr Atta said he did not condone the attacks, but could understand the hijackers' motivation. "Every day our Palestinian brothers are being murdered, their houses destroyed. If their relatives were to fly a plane into the Empire State Building I couldn't hold it against them," he added.
Mr Atta called his son a "gentle and tender boy", who enjoyed reading history and geography books and was nicknamed "Bolbol", or nightingale, by his parents.
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How do buildings accelerate as they collapse? Controlled demolition... The buildings accelerated, which means there could have been zero resistance from lower floors... Why?? Explosives... Yes there were traces of thermite and nanothermite at the site...used by the military for demolition...the fires were not hot enough to melt steel, but yet there were pools of molten steel at the base of the rubble that stayed hot for weeks. Why? Thermite.
Bullshit
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Let's play this game but another way. So you are telling us that the floors collapsing were so loud they sounded like explosion in it's way down?
You can tell the individual in the video is way more far than it looks like, since we are talking about one of the tallest building in the world, not some tall building in New York, do you understand the relativity of distance? Are you one of those flat earthlings?
So floors collapsing sound like explosions now? Were are your video evidence of such occurrence, retard?
Minute 6:12 in the video.
But keep posting, at the end you will be always OWNED!!!
Another fail from the youtube monkey
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What purpose did 9/11 served??? ???
People should refresh their memory with the movie in the link below, or download it. Although a movie from a liberal, if only 50% is true, is mind blowing, how Bush Jr stole the elections, the whole time that he spent on vacation before 9/11, pressuring goverment officials to find the connection between Al-Qaeda and Iraq, how we turned that country into a bigger shit hole that it already was, and the sheer amount of money the goverment and corporations like Halliburton stole through the Iraq war from taxpayers.
Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11
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What purpose did 9/11 served??? ???
People should refresh their memory with the movie in the link below, or download it. Although a movie from a liberal, if only 50% is true, is mind blowing, how Bush Jr stole the elections, the whole time that he spent on vacation before 9/11, pressuring goverment officials to find the connection between Al-Qaeda and Iraq, how we turned that country into a bigger shit hole that it already was, and the sheer amount of money the goverment and corporations like Halliburton stole through the Iraq war from taxpayers.
Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11
Fucking lol, you posts a video that you yourself indicate may only be 50% true and expect people to watch it?????
If you know 1% of it is untrue then it instantly casts doubt on the other 99%
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The youtube monkey lives on in failure!
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Hadn't heard this one before. Weird how he says (when his son called, according to him) "neither of us knew anything" about the attacks at that time. Really, I'd say the guy was in shock and he was trying to go back to a time when there was still a chance.
Father insists alleged leader is still alive
1 September 2002
The father of Mohammed Atta, the alleged ringleader of the September 11 attacks, said in an interview published yesterday that his son was still alive.
"He is hiding in a secret place so as not to be murdered by the US secret services," Mohammed el-Amir Atta, 66, told the German newspaper Bild am Sonntag. He also vehemently denied that his son - believed to have flown the first plane into the World Trade Centre - had taken part in the atrocities, blaming them instead on "American Christians".
The interview painted a picture of a tortured man who has not come to terms with his 33-year-old son's death or with the huge crime laid at his door. He said he feared the US would try to poison him.
Speaking from his Cairo home, Mr Atta described hearing about the attacks after returning from a holiday on the Red Sea on the evening of September 12. "My daughter called and said she was going to drop in. She stood at the door and said 'turn on the TV'," he said. Amid images of the jets crashing into the Twin Towers, he saw his son's passport photograph.
"As I saw the picture of my son," he said, "I knew that he hadn't done it. My son called me the day after the attacks on September 12 at around midday. We spoke for two minutes about this and that.
"He didn't tell me where he was calling from. At that time neither of us knew anything about the attacks."
Mr Atta said he did not condone the attacks, but could understand the hijackers' motivation. "Every day our Palestinian brothers are being murdered, their houses destroyed. If their relatives were to fly a plane into the Empire State Building I couldn't hold it against them," he added.
Mr Atta called his son a "gentle and tender boy", who enjoyed reading history and geography books and was nicknamed "Bolbol", or nightingale, by his parents.
If Atta is still alive he simply has to show his face and the US government will be exposed, the Terrorists will win.
But we all know that's the same fantasy as Tupac and Elvis still living.
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If Atta is still alive he simply has to show his face and the US government will be exposed, the Terrorists will win.
But we all know that's the same fantasy as Tupac and Elvis still living.
I'm pretty sure if he was living that was a loose end that was cleaned up pretty quickly after 9/11. What must suck is that any muslim who just happened to be on those planes for legit reasons are probably on that list as a terrorist because of their name and nothing else.
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I'm pretty sure if he was living that was a loose end that was cleaned up pretty quickly after 9/11. What must suck is that any muslim who just happened to be on those planes for legit reasons are probably on that list as a terrorist because of their name and nothing else.
I doubt it. They had reports and files on these guys prior to 9/11. They researched their movements prior to 9/11 giving them a good idea of who they were and what they were on the plane for. Also, its stupid to think that "IF" this was the CT of the century that they would pin this on someone who was till alive that they didn't already have in custody so they could kill immediately. Its dumb to think they could have covered this whole thing up so well, a CT involving hundreds if not thousands of people that they have been able to keep quite for 15 years with out 1 coming forward, and yet be so irresponsible to pin it on someone who was still alive. Common sense.
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Has anyone brought up the idea that the towers were originally designed to be collapsed, that this was the plan from the beginning?
That 9/11/2001 was a pre planned date from the beginning even before the the construction of the buildings began?
The NWO began working with the illuminati to wipe out the memory of true hebrews?
Ropo once again has made some valid points about no visual proof of explosions, thus it wasn't a controlled demolition. But I still waver because there are numerous experts who seem to believe (based on the visual evidence ) that it was a controlled demolition.
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I doubt it. They had reports and files on these guys prior to 9/11. They researched their movements prior to 9/11 giving them a good idea of who they were and what they were on the plane for. Also, its stupid to think that "IF" this was the CT of the century that they would pin this on someone who was till alive that they didn't already have in custody so they could kill immediately. Its dumb to think they could have covered this whole thing up so well, a CT involving hundreds if not thousands of people that they have been able to keep quite for 15 years with out 1 coming forward, and yet be so irresponsible to pin it on someone who was still alive. Common sense.
not hundreds or thousands. It would take just a small team of people.
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Fucking lol, you posts a video that you yourself indicate may only be 50% true and expect people to watch it?????
If you know 1% of it is untrue then it instantly casts doubt on the other 99%
Reading and comprehension at it's finest. If only half of it is true, as you typical goverment shill types would have to prove other wise the information in this video was not true, you moron. I did not indicate that 50% was no true, imbecile, learn to READ.
By the way did you ever watched it back in the day or now? Don't bother, we already know the answer. But keep trying.
You goverment sheeple are just too easy to make fun of.
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not hundreds or thousands. It would take just a small team of people.
No, not at all. But of course it depends on the scope of what you think was an "inside job" If you think the WTC's were demolished and the pentagon was hit by a missile you are talking hundreds maybe over a thousand.
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No, not at all. But of course it depends on the scope of what you think was an "inside job" If you think the WTC's were demolished and the pentagon was hit by a missile you are talking hundreds maybe over a thousand.
My theory has always been that it wasn't an inside job but the gov knew it was going to happen and let it happen as a precursor to starting a war with Iraq.
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Reading and comprehension at it's finest. If only half of it is true, as you typical goverment shill types would have to prove other wise the information in this video was not true, you moron. I did not indicate that 50% was no true, imbecile, learn to READ.
By the way did you ever watched it back in the day or now? Don't bother, we already know the answer. But keep trying.
You goverment sheeple are just too easy to make fun of.
Didnt you ever think that its the Conspiracy theorists that are the "sheeple" after all the government has got you running around pointing and shouting about a conspiracy by leaving just enough doubt to keep you interested.
If you were a free thinker you would think for yourself.
Me, i couldn't give a fuck if George Bush singlehandedly masterminded the entire thing.
Who fucking cares, you cant do anything about it.
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My theory has always been that it wasn't an inside job but the gov knew it was going to happen and let it happen as a precursor to starting a war with Iraq.
That's been my suspicion too and i think it wouldn't require that many people to be in on something like that. Prior to 9/11 government intelligence agencies including the ones in the military didn't communicate with each other very well with each other. They were rivals for influence and funding. I would think the National Security Adviser and his team would assemble intel from different sources and woulds have a good idea something like this was in the works. There are instances that have been uncovered that there was some intel of this happening. The problem was knowing which is bogus or real in the pool of thousands of bits of intel daily. If there was a CT here it will never been proved.
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Didnt you ever think that its the Conspiracy theorists that are the "sheeple" after all the government has got you running around pointing and shouting about a conspiracy by leaving just enough doubt to keep you interested.
If you were a free thinker you would think for yourself.
Me, i couldn't give a fuck if George Bush singlehandedly masterminded the entire thing.
Who fucking cares, you cant do anything about it.
Youtube tells him what to think.
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Still waiting for the tin foil hatters believing in the 911 official fairy tale to tell me more about the invisible plane that hit the Pentagon.
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Didnt you ever think that its the Conspiracy theorists that are the "sheeple" after all the government has got you running around pointing and shouting about a conspiracy by leaving just enough doubt to keep you interested.
If you were a free thinker you would think for yourself.
Me, i couldn't give a fuck if George Bush singlehandedly masterminded the entire thing.
Who fucking cares, you cant do anything about it.
There you have it. The reason tin foll crackpots like yourself refuse to believe anything other than the official BS fairy tale. Because you think you can't do anything about it, it scares you and you don't want to think for yourself. How pathetic. You just admitted that you won't give a fuck even if you knew it was an inside job. People are wasting time trying to reason with you they may as well be talking to a piece of dried out feces.
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Still waiting for the tin foil hatters believing in the 911 official fairy tale to tell me more about the invisible plane that hit the Pentagon.
That looks CGI'd to me.
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If Atta is still alive he simply has to show his face and the US government will be exposed, the Terrorists will win.
But we all know that's the same fantasy as Tupac and Elvis still living.
The dad probably fell into a state of denial.
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Didnt you ever think that its the Conspiracy theorists that are the "sheeple" after all the government has got you running around pointing and shouting about a conspiracy by leaving just enough doubt to keep you interested.
If you were a free thinker you would think for yourself.
Me, i couldn't give a fuck if George Bush singlehandedly masterminded the entire thing.
Who fucking cares, you cant do anything about it.
The fact is we'll never really know. It's fun indeed to speculate sure, but to claim you know what happened like people here are doing is just asinine.
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Still waiting for the tin foil hatters believing in the 911 official fairy tale to tell me more about the invisible plane that hit the Pentagon.
Still waiting for witness videos and testimony that say they saw a missle hit the pentagon.
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There you have it. The reason tin foll crackpots like yourself refuse to believe anything other than the official BS fairy tale. Because you think you can't do anything about it, it scares you and you don't want to think for yourself. How pathetic. You just admitted that you won't give a fuck even if you knew it was an inside job. People are wasting time trying to reason with you they may as well be talking to a piece of dried out feces.
I dont care what happened, dont you get it, people are twats, they will act and do bad things, its what people have down since the dawn of time, Im not scared, what have i got to be scared about?
I just said, I do think for myself, I have weighed up the evidence and on the balance of probabilities the Twin Towers were not brought down with controlled explosions, its not hard to come to that conclusion because there is zero evidence of it being a possibility.
What the fuck is wrong with your free thinking mind?
Could the Bush administration have been involved in the plot to crash planes into the towers, of course, it suited the agenda.
There is evidence that Churchill and the American governments knew exactly what was happening during the Holocaust but let it continue because to do something would have hampered the war effort.
There is evidence the Americans had prior warning about Pearl Harbour.
So, no, I dont have my head in the sand, its time you started evaluating the evidence as opposed to watching Youtube vids for your information.
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Ignited droplets of fuel will continue to release their energy outward into the restricted space of the elevator shaft, and it will be every bit of a series of explosions.
You're just trying to protect your statement that there "were no explosions".
Making distinctions is about the best someone could hope for, because there is no denying that explosions happened and that it came with the territory.
Dear child, is isn't what you say, it is what you can prove, and why don't you try to prove this using what is possible to see in the 9/11 videos? For children like you, every fucking fart is explosion, but in the real world there is quite simple definition for it, and flashing petrol really doesn't fill that definition. If you don't believe, just try: Put a fire in the fireplace, and then climb on the roof and pour some petrol down the chimney. I bet you will learn something new by doing that ;D
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Btw, "bombs in the lobby" and the related stories are all due to that, IMO.
But in this case IMO doesn't mean shit. It is obvious that there were lots of heavy objects falling down the elevator shaft, and this would be logical source of the imaginary explosions and such, because there is real evidence which prove that this is what happen. Objects like parts of the airplane, elevators, furniture's, etc. etc.
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In the next video posted below, go to the minute 6:12 if you want to hear the explosions while the twin tower was blowing up in it's way down, you retarded lying piece of shit.
There is a video, you fucking imbecile. Live testimony while you hear the exlosion in the back. Keep going.
I am retarded piece of shit, and you think that your word miraculously change that noise to explosions? Well, it doesn't, and there isn't any explosions because of the obvious reasons, which you just simply deny. Denialism is stupidity, your stupidity is obvious, so you are even more retarded than I ever be, because you really are believer of that crap. I have pointed out dozens of details where your foil hat mentors have lied to you, and you are angry to me? Your mentors knowingly make you look like an idiot, and somehow it is my fault? And still you haven't been able to explain any questions I have made about the missing explosions, why windows didn't break etc. while details like these proves that foil hat theory is just crap. You see, there isn't any explanation for these details, just because these idiots haven't understand what they see, because they are just fucking morons like you. You and the foil hats doesn't have enough brains to understand these vital details, and that's why you can't explain them, no matter how fucking obvious the answer would be.
Lets look some reality for a change, why don't we? You have to blow to pieces + 40 steel columns, which are 15 to 20 yards from the glass wall. Largest columns have 1.2 ton of mass per meter, and there is bunch of them, and you are saying that it is possible to explode them without breaking the glass wall? Exactly how? Explain this with your own words, if you can? . This single detail proves that there wasn't any explosions, no thermite, nothing but fire. Your problem is that you are looking 3D physics from the 2D world, a video screen, and you doesn't have enough experience nor knowledge to understand what you see. You think that you can point the explosion to some direction, but how about +40 of them per floor? No matter how you do it, there will be burst of energy which would be clear and visible to see.
You shouldn't write another word before you have clarified how in the name of hell this could be possible. And what next? I can say here and now that it never happen, just because you are too coward to take my challenge. You aren't a man at all, you are just a fucking child, who is copying foil hat lies like a fucking parrot, without any brains at all. You see, if you have a some kind of balls, you would be brave enough to find some answers, and that never happens.
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It's only nonsense to you retarded inbreed from Europe, when confronted with facts that just don't add up, and show a clear signs of corruption in our goverment, you proceed to tell us Americans that all this information is irrelevant. What's not adding up here? The official story or you?
You and the facts doesn't really belong in same sentence, because all what you do is try to fill this thread with complete insane foil hat crap instead of any kind of facts. I bet that you don't even know the definition of the word "fact", so please stop abusing it.
What you should understand is the fact that official investigation is complete chain of things which happen, proved by the concrete and complete chain of evidence. If you can read, you understand what happen, when and why without using any imagination. There is logic in every fucking detail, and not anything questionable. This is a fact. What idiots do is to question it anyway because they can't believe that things could happen like they did, and this disbelieve is based only on ignorance. They try to explain things which happen by imagination, but when you do that, there will be no evidence at all. This is the reason why you can't prove there was explosions, or thermite etc. But if you know the facts, you never even think that there would be explosives, because you can't see anything what you should see when something explodes. You can't prove anything by denying facts, you need to have some evidence for every claim you make. From year 2001 to present time, foil hats have none. 0 evidence. Doesn't that mean anything to you? No, but instead of thinking about it, you fill this thread with futile crap, like always. Not even a second of thinking, no hesitation at all, you adopt even the stupidest claims in nanoseconds. This is what the scientific study has confirmed to be characterize behavior of the foil hat moron, the most idiotic herd animal on the planet.
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Those 19 goat shepherds were Saudis you infinite retarded inbreed, not from Afghanistan, the afghans drove Russia back thanks to us. This tell us how much you really know what happen that day in our country, but keep going, the more you post the more it clearly show us your retardation.
Osama, net worth +300 000 000$? You are talking the one who lived in caves? Who's spreading bullshit propaganda and lies now?
North American Aerospace Defense Command, have you read about it? that's our multibillion defense system, morron, and here's the description.
NORAD Missions
In close collaboration with homeland defense, security, and law enforcement partners, prevent air attacks against North America, safeguard the sovereign airspaces of the United States and Canada by responding to unknown, unwanted, and unauthorized air activity approaching and operating within these airspaces, and provide aerospace and maritime warning for North America.
http://www.norad.mil/AboutNORAD.aspx
In a word, OWNED!!!
So, you cannot Google, can't you? There isn't any mystery about the heritage of Osama, he is a part of the family which owns oilfields, and has long history of weapon business with the USA. All this you would find for example in the magazines and books printed years before 9/11, so it is a fact that Osama was multimillionaire. Everybody seem to know it, but you?
What would be the main function of Norad? Find and destroy passenger jets? Really? Why in the name of hell they would use military technology to seek civil aero planes BEFORE there is any threat at all? That has to be one of the most idiotic arguments in history of mankind, and only fucking imbecile could use crappy argument like that. In exactly where they shoot down civil aircrafts which are lost from their course? Do you silly guy even understand how high is the threshold to do it? Only Russians have shot down some passenger jets knowing they are doing just that, USA has drop one in the mistake at the war zone. Beside of these, it has never happen, so what is the use of Norad against the civil aircrafts? And you own me by that crap? Grow up, you fucking child. You have no means to own anybody, you are just throwing some crap from your diapers.
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Why don't YOU, Ozmo, and Ropo the retarded inbreed from Finland proceed below to wright nice and neatly a resume explanation out of the Official conspiracy 9/11 commission report so we, Getbiggers can finally understand what really happened that day, since it looks we are so lost in the details? We will be waiting. Thank you in advance.
Because we don't have to prove anything, because it has proved already IN the official investigation. Your problem is that you doesn't have even a shred of counterevidence, you just bellow like an handicapped moron with no sense at all. If you have some reason to claim that official investigation is faulty, you need some counterevidence to prove that your claim is based on facts. Now, until you have some real counterevidence, please shut the fuck up ;D
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Let's play this game but another way. So you are telling us that the floors collapsing were so loud they sounded like explosion in it's way down?
You can tell the individual in the video is way more far than it looks like, since we are talking about one of the tallest building in the world, not some tall building in New York, do you understand the relativity of distance? Are you one of those flat earthlings?
So floors collapsing sound like explosions now? Were are your video evidence of such occurrence, retard?
Minute 6:12 in the video.
But keep posting, at the end you will be always OWNED!!!
Why don't we, but blame yourself if you hurt your feelings even more: There is no matter what you claim you hear there or not, because you can't prove fuck with it. It is simple as that. You see, there is laws of physics which are ruling how things happen on this universe, and these laws prove that there can't be any kind of explosions, because there isn't any visual indicator which proves explosions happen. Instead of that, there is plenty of evidence that there wasn't any explosions, and evidence why those explosions would be completely impossible. All these evidences you, in your overwhelming stupidity, will deny, so I don't list them here with details. Let say that they have lot to do with explosions and glass, explosives and fire, exploding arrangements and plane crash etc. undeniably facts, which are too difficult to child to understand. This isn't a fight between truth and lie, but between moronic ignorance and facts of reality, meaning something which you don't even know under you fucking foil hat.
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Ozmo, I owned you way back, and now I'm done with you. Not worth my posts anymore.
You have owned only yourself, because only prove you have presented, is prove that you are an imbecile. Your foil hat lies doesn't be enough, we have heard all of them and all of them has been shot down. I have given you plenty of hints about the details you should explain, but you ignore all that because you don't find the answers from the foil hat crap. In other words I have presented you some questions which anyone would have answers if they have even a child's intelligence, and you haven't been able to answer any of them? What that would prove? a) you are full of foil hat shit b) you are fucking moron, full of foil hat shit and c) your IQ is less than average 5 year old have?
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Sheist, man. This one IS weird.
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Now you are proving the conspiracy by the speech of the moron, who have a career long history of misspelling and errors in his speech? Way to go, if you are here to prove how fucking moronic foil hats can be ;D
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Nano-thermite explosives shown above were gathered from the WTC debris shortly after the towers fell on 9/11. Brigham Young University Physics Professor, Dr. Steven Jones, discovered the explosives and joined an international team of nine scientists for further analysis. Through extensive laboratory testing, the scientists concluded that the samples were Nano-thermitic explosives. After a rigorous peer-review process, their paper was published in the Bentham Chemical Physics Journal, which has been endorsed by Nobel Laureates and is respected within the scientific community.
The paper's first author is Dr. Niels Harrit, a 37-year Professor of Chemistry at Copenhagen University in Denmark and an expert in Nano-chemistry, who says, "The official account put forth by NIST violates the fundamental laws of physics."
Government and independent evidence corroborates Thermitic explosives used to bring down all three WTC Towers on 9/11. (sources 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8)
http://investigate911.org/
What you don't see to get a grasp on is that on 9, 11 of 2001, 2 of the tallest buildings in the World, full of asbestos came down in seconds, you imbecile.
Let that sink in for a moment.
Ooh how nice...but then, there isn't such thing as nano- thermite explosives. Niels Harrit is a moron, period. What Harrit did is more like a comedy act, because he proved by himself that he is just a moron, by his own evidence. Let me explain:
1. objects which he study wasn't straight from the ground zero, but things what people have taken around the GZ at some point of time, and kept in their homes = fact which Harrit admit himself.
2. In his report he was using microscope- photos, which includes scale, and the scale unit was µm. Problem is that the particles in the picture were 250µm wide, while nm is 250 000 times smaller. In other words those particles which he found were 250 000 times too large to have anything to do with nano- particles. There is no room for professors who make mistakes like that, not in herd of foil hats, not in university, not anywhere, because these basic units you learn in the first grade.
3. Like all that isn't enough, the particles he found could be anything, because he mainly found aluminum and iron oxide = oxygenated aluminum and rust. There were plenty of both in the building, and more coming with the workers who were clearing the ruins. They were using thermal lances to cut the massive steel, and what that leave in the scene? Aluminum and iron oxide, What a surprise ;D
As you see, there is explanation for everything you ask, but not any kind of answers to anything I ask? You just bellow what ever crap is in your sick mind, and that is all you have. Now stop and think what is the reason of that? Why don't you have all the answers instead of that crap? Do I have to spell out why?
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Yes I agree there is so much wacko bullshit out there. I'd say well over 90%. But that's a winning way for anyone who wants good reason to dismiss everything: they can rightly say they've "investigated" it by watching hundreds of hours of video on the subject, and it's "all" insanity, and in a sense they'd be right.
It really isn't as complicated as that. There is the proved official investigation, and people who have blind faith but not even a single evidence to prove even a tiny little part of official investigation to be faulty. Most of the people on this planet knows that official investigation is legit, but fact is that in the modern civilizations there is 20-25% of people, who need mental health care at some point of their life. It is also a fact that only 10 - 17% of people believe these foil hat lies, so do I need say more? Foil hat morons = stupidest part of the mentally ill people = fact ;D
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I don't think he's smart enough to understand what you are doing here. Honest to God you got me dying in laughter, tears are coming out my eyes.
Yes, that is exactly what morons do, they laugh to things which they doesn't understand. Of course there is the timelines including the relevant happenings, so at the end, foil hat lies are crap as always.
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When he says "the explosives", it sounds as though he expects us to refer back to something he'd just said, even though it's the first time he mentions explosives.
But I know we're talking about GWB, here.
When he says explosives, he can't even know if there were any, because analyzing the data was unfinished. It is ridiculous to think that he would have all the facts at that point of time, so he reads from the paper what some assistant has wrote down. That tool didn't know fuck about anything, and now you are building some completely irrelevant theory around this moron? Nothing better to do? Concentrate to prove there were explosions, or try to explain why those enormous amounts of explosives didn't break the windows of the same fucking room they were detonated?
Why you start to play this by the foil hat rules? Focus on details, what is possible and what's not. For example: Is it possible that there is an error in the speech of the moron? Is it possible that you can explode massive steel in to smithereens in the glass house without breaking windows? Is it possible to install tons of explosives, then crash an airplane in that space, let it burn 56 minutes and everything works like nothing? The first claim obvious, because that moron did speak what ever nonsense through his career, and next two claims are completely impossible by just as obvious reasons as first one was possible. There is no need to complicate this more, this is quite simple thing to solve.
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9/11: Missing Black Boxes in World Trade Center Attacks Found by Firefighters, Analyzed by NTSB, Concealed by FBI
One of the more puzzling mysteries of 9-11 is what ever happened to the flight recorders of the two planes that hit the World Trade Center towers. Now it appears that they may not be missing at all.
Counterpunch has learned that the FBI has them.
Flight recorders (commonly known as black boxes, though these days they are generally bright orange) are required on all passenger planes. There are always two-a flight data recorder that keeps track of a plane’s speed, altitude, course and maneuvers, and a cockpit voice recorder which keeps a continuous record of the last 30 minutes of conversation inside a plane’s cockpit. These devices are constructed to be extremely durable, and are installed in a plane’s tail section, where they are least likely suffer damaged on impact. They are designed to withstand up to 30 minutes of 1800-degree heat (more than they would have faced in the twin towers crashes), and to survive a crash at full speed into the ground.
All four of the devices were recovered from the two planes that hit the Pentagon and that crashed in rural Pennsylvania. In the case of American Airlines Flight 77, which hit the Pentagon, the FBI reports that the flight data recorder survived and had recoverable information, but the voice recorder was allegedly too damaged to provide any record. In the case of United Airlines Flight 93, which hit the ground at 500 mph in Pennsylvania, the situation was reversed: the voice recorder survived but the flight data box was allegedly damaged beyond recovery.
But the FBI states, and also reported to the 9-11 Commission, that none of the recording devices from the two planes that hit the World Trade Center were ever recovered.
There has always been some skepticism about this assertion, particularly as two N.Y. City firefighters, Mike Bellone and Nicholas De Masi, claimed in 2004 that they had found three of the four boxes, and that Federal agents took them and told the two men not to mention having found them. (The FBI denies the whole story.) Moreover, these devices are almost always located after crashes, even if not in useable condition (and the cleanup of the World Trade Center was meticulous, with even tiny bone fragments and bits of human tissue being discovered so that almost all the victims were ultimately identified). As Ted Lopatkiewicz, director of public affairs at the National Transportation Safety Agency which has the job of analyzing the boxes’ data, says, “It’s very unusual not to find a recorder after a crash, although it’s also very unusual to have jets flying into buildings.”
Now there is stronger evidence that something is amiss than simply the alleged non-recovery of all four of those boxes. A source at the National Transportation Safety Board, the agency that has the task of deciphering the date from the black boxes retrieved from crash sites-including those that are being handled as crimes and fall under the jurisdiction of the FBI-says the boxes were in fact recovered and were analyzed by the NTSB.
“Off the record, we had the boxes,” the source says. “You’d have to get the official word from the FBI as to where they are, but we worked on them here.”
The official word from the NTSB is that the WTC crash site black boxes never turned up. “No recorders were recovered from the World Trade Center,” says the NTSB’s Lopatkiewicz. “At least none were delivered to us by the FBI.” He adds that the agency has “always had a good relationship’ with the FBI and that in all prior crime-related crashes or flight incidents, they have brought the boxes to the NTSB for analysis.
For its part, the FBI is still denying everything, though with curious bit of linguistic wiggle room. “To the best of my knowledge, the flight recording devices from the World Trade Center crashes were never recovered. At least we never had them,” says FBI spokesman Stephen Kodak.
What the apparent existence of the black boxes in government hands means is unclear.
If the information in those boxes is recoverable, or if, as is likely, it has been recovered already, it could give crucial evidence regarding the skill of the hijacker/pilots, perhaps of their strategy, of whether they were getting outside help in guiding them to their targets, of how fast they were flying and a host of other things.
Why would the main intelligence and law enforcement arm of the U.S. government want to hide from the public not just the available information about the two hijacked flights that provided the motivation and justification for the nation’s “War on Terror” and for its two wars against Afghanistan and Iraq, but even the fact that it has the devices which could contain that information? Conspiracy theories abound, with some claiming the planes were actually pilotless military aircraft, or that they had little or nothing to do with the building collapses. The easiest way to quash such rumors and such fevered thinking would be openness.
Instead we have the opposite: a dark secrecy that invites many questions regarding the potentially embarrassing or perhaps even sinister information that might be on those tapes.
99.999% of foil hat claims are lies, and the rest are based on lies, so what else is new? Why it is so hard to understand that these foil hats are by far the dumbest people on this planet? They even prove this fact by themselves, by presenting things which are known to be lies for ages as an "evidence"..
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The fact is we'll never really know. It's fun indeed to speculate sure, but to claim you know what happened like people here are doing is just asinine.
Oh look Brink the coward is back to give us his knowledge about facts like he did here:
Engineers don't design structures that size to be 'just strong enough'. That's ridiculous. And it's not the steel that protects the building from gravity, it's the concrete columns which have tremendous compressive strength. Steel is merely meant to keep the concrete from twisting apart and to protect its integrity from vector type forces. Any engineer will tell you that.
Physics!!!!! ;)
Again you are wrong. You are drawing conclusions from incorrect assumptions and inaccurate information. If you don't like the wiki proof there is more i can post from actual engineers to show how wrong you are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center)
The World Trade Center towers included many structural engineering innovations in skyscraper design and construction, which allowed the buildings to reach new heights and become the tallest in the world. Traditionally, skyscrapers used a skeleton of columns distributed throughout the interior to support building loads, with interior columns disrupting the floor space. The tube-frame concept, earlier introduced by Fazlur Khan, was a major innovation, allowing open floor plans and more space to rent. The buildings used high-strength, load-bearing perimeter steel columns called Vierendeel trusses that were spaced closely together to form a strong, rigid wall structure. There were 60 perimeter columns, narrowly spaced, on each side of the buildings. In all, the perimeter walls of the towers were 210 feet (64 m) on each side, and the corners were beveled. The perimeter columns were designed to provide support for virtually all lateral loads (such as wind loads) and to share the gravity loads with the core columns.[48] Structural analysis of major portions of the World Trade Center were computed on an IBM 1620.[49]
The perimeter structure was constructed with extensive use of prefabricated modular pieces, which consisted of three columns, three stories tall, connected by spandrel plates. The perimeter columns had a square cross section, 14 inches (36 cm) on a side, and were constructed of welded steel plate.[50] The thickness of the plates and grade of structural steel varied over the height of the tower, ranging from 36,000 to 100,000 pounds per square inch[51] (260 to 670 MPa). The strength of the steel and thickness of the steel plates decreased with height because they were required to support lesser amounts of building mass on higher floors.[50] The tube-frame design required 40 percent less structural steel than conventional building designs.[52] From the 7th floor to the ground level, and down to the foundation, the columns were spaced 10 feet (3 m) apart.[53] All columns were placed on bedrock, which, unlike that in Midtown Manhattan, where the bedrock is shallow, is at 65–85 feet (20–26 m) below the surface.[54]
The spandrel plates were welded to the columns to create the modular pieces off-site at the fabrication shop.[55] The modular pieces were typically 52 inches (1.3 m) deep, and extended for two full floors and half of two more floors.[50] Adjacent modules were bolted together, with the splices occurring at mid-span of the columns and spandrels. The spandrel plates were located at each floor, transmitting shear stress between columns, allowing them to work together in resisting lateral loads. The joints between modules were staggered vertically, so the column splices between adjacent modules were not at the same floor.[50]
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The tube frame design using steel core and perimeter columns protected with sprayed-on fire resistant material created a relatively lightweight structure that would sway more in response to the wind, compared to traditional structures such as the Empire State Building that have thick, heavy masonry for fireproofing of steel structural elements
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What really blows my mind is that we have all these retards from Europe, telling us, Americans how we are a bunch of tin foil hats, and how the goverment told us the truth on what happend on 9/11 of 2001, which was lead according to Ropo the retarded inbreed by one of the stupidest persons we have ever had as President. So president stupid, but every body else within the goverment smart and good at their job, talking about contradictions.
Let that sink in for a moment.
But keep posting, if you think having the last post means you guys are winning and writing the stupidest answers with nothing to back it up other than the official 9/11 commission, after all the evidence we have posted here, then it really show you room temperature IQ.
We Americans do believe that we were never told the truth on what happened that day, that the official 9/11 conspiracy commission report is nothing but bullshit, and a lot of people, traitor to our nation got away with murder, and we are still paying for the consequences of that day. And we will never let up.
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Oh look Brink the coward is back to give us his knowledge about facts like he did here:
Physics!!!!! ;)
Again you are wrong. You are drawing conclusions from incorrect assumptions and inaccurate information. If you don't like the wiki proof there is more i can post from actual engineers to show how wrong you are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center)
The World Trade Center towers included many structural engineering innovations in skyscraper design and construction, which allowed the buildings to reach new heights and become the tallest in the world. Traditionally, skyscrapers used a skeleton of columns distributed throughout the interior to support building loads, with interior columns disrupting the floor space. The tube-frame concept, earlier introduced by Fazlur Khan, was a major innovation, allowing open floor plans and more space to rent. The buildings used high-strength, load-bearing perimeter steel columns called Vierendeel trusses that were spaced closely together to form a strong, rigid wall structure. There were 60 perimeter columns, narrowly spaced, on each side of the buildings. In all, the perimeter walls of the towers were 210 feet (64 m) on each side, and the corners were beveled. The perimeter columns were designed to provide support for virtually all lateral loads (such as wind loads) and to share the gravity loads with the core columns.[48] Structural analysis of major portions of the World Trade Center were computed on an IBM 1620.[49]
The perimeter structure was constructed with extensive use of prefabricated modular pieces, which consisted of three columns, three stories tall, connected by spandrel plates. The perimeter columns had a square cross section, 14 inches (36 cm) on a side, and were constructed of welded steel plate.[50] The thickness of the plates and grade of structural steel varied over the height of the tower, ranging from 36,000 to 100,000 pounds per square inch[51] (260 to 670 MPa). The strength of the steel and thickness of the steel plates decreased with height because they were required to support lesser amounts of building mass on higher floors.[50] The tube-frame design required 40 percent less structural steel than conventional building designs.[52] From the 7th floor to the ground level, and down to the foundation, the columns were spaced 10 feet (3 m) apart.[53] All columns were placed on bedrock, which, unlike that in Midtown Manhattan, where the bedrock is shallow, is at 65–85 feet (20–26 m) below the surface.[54]
The spandrel plates were welded to the columns to create the modular pieces off-site at the fabrication shop.[55] The modular pieces were typically 52 inches (1.3 m) deep, and extended for two full floors and half of two more floors.[50] Adjacent modules were bolted together, with the splices occurring at mid-span of the columns and spandrels. The spandrel plates were located at each floor, transmitting shear stress between columns, allowing them to work together in resisting lateral loads. The joints between modules were staggered vertically, so the column splices between adjacent modules were not at the same floor.[50]
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The strength of the steel and thickness of the steel plates decreased with height because they were required to support lesser amounts of building mass on higher floors.[50] The tube-frame design required 40 percent less structural steel than conventional building designs.
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No wonder your countries in Europe are getting rape by the Muslims. Too stupid to understand reality. But keep posting.
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911 Truth that Can Not Be Debunked
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Ken OKeefe Exposes 9-11-01 in 2016
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Blacksmith Spoof Video
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUkyS-Q4hQI
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99.999% of foil hat claims are lies, and the rest are based on lies, so what else is new? Why it is so hard to understand that these foil hats are by far the dumbest people on this planet? They even prove this fact by themselves, by presenting things which are known to be lies for ages as an "evidence"..
So where are they then? All 4 black boxes disintegrated that day then? But keep at it, Bozo the retarded inbreed from Finland.
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Still no video or witness testimonies of the missle that hit the pentagon?
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Still no video or witness testimonies of the missle that hit the pentagon?
Of course not.
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The Failures of the youtube monkey known as M4tad0r who is floating down the river of denial, fantasy, tinfoil hattery.
I am sure chaos and Ropo can cite many more. But here are 3 from the last few pages of this thread:
9/11: Bush Admits “Explosives” Used At World Trade Center (Video)
Start watching at 0:37 seconds for a in your face revelation from non other than our own president. How you like them apples now?
All of you goverment shill defenders are OWNED!!!
Bush in a press conference talking about intel gathered from Khalid and doesn't mention WTC at all, and obviously misreads his speech. But this is hailed by the youtube monkey as "Bush Admits “Explosives” Used At World Trade Center"
He wants the CT to be real so bad, he ignore his intelligence, reading comprehension, and common sense.
He doesn't even bother to read the transcript.
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19 goat shepherds defeated a multi-billion dollar defense system, masterminded by a terrorist hidden in cave of a 3rd world country, and 3 steel skyscrapers came down due to fuel and office fire. The offical truffer report on 9/11!!!
Here he builds on his fantasy starting with "19 goat shepherds" when many of these Terrorists when 10 of the 19 either graduated from College or attended college. Not too many goat shepherds typically have college education in things like civil law and avionics.
Its really sad to see a person having to outright lie to make a point about a tinfoil hat fantasy.
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This one shows his level of desperation to make his fantasy real:
In the aftermath there have been studies done on the WTC's and what happened that day. Its also a very common discussion engineering schools at one point or another.
Other than a few thousand mostly crack pot engineers which represent far less than 1% of the of educated people in the world who know BS pseudoscience, and legitimate engineering science, no one has pointed out with peer reviewed assertions based on hard evidence, not flawed logic, or BS rhetoric, that its was a demolition.
Where? Please give some links to such claims.
Here is a link:
http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-engineers-study-911-lessons-how-help-buildings-withstand-threats (http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-engineers-study-911-lessons-how-help-buildings-withstand-threats)
So where is the study and discussion explaining the the collapse of the twin towers?
Can't understand he's own links.
HAHAHAHAHAHA Ozmo
Still OWNED!!!!
M4tad0r doesn't think a discussion about how the WTC's failed preceded a study and discussion about how to make buildings safer from terrorist attacks from 9/11?
What kind of stupid is this man?
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I dont care what happened, dont you get it, people are twats, they will act and do bad things, its what people have down since the dawn of time, Im not scared, what have i got to be scared about?
I just said, I do think for myself, I have weighed up the evidence and on the balance of probabilities the Twin Towers were not brought down with controlled explosions, its not hard to come to that conclusion because there is zero evidence of it being a possibility.
What the fuck is wrong with your free thinking mind?
Could the Bush administration have been involved in the plot to crash planes into the towers, of course, it suited the agenda.
There is evidence that Churchill and the American governments knew exactly what was happening during the Holocaust but let it continue because to do something would have hampered the war effort.
There is evidence the Americans had prior warning about Pearl Harbour.
So, no, I dont have my head in the sand, its time you started evaluating the evidence as opposed to watching Youtube vids for your information.
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You and the facts doesn't really belong in same sentence, because all what you do is try to fill this thread with complete insane foil hat crap instead of any kind of facts. I bet that you don't even know the definition of the word "fact", so please stop abusing it.
What you should understand is the fact that official investigation is complete chain of things which happen, proved by the concrete and complete chain of evidence. If you can read, you understand what happen, when and why without using any imagination. There is logic in every fucking detail, and not anything questionable. This is a fact. What idiots do is to question it anyway because they can't believe that things could happen like they did, and this disbelieve is based only on ignorance. They try to explain things which happen by imagination, but when you do that, there will be no evidence at all. This is the reason why you can't prove there was explosions, or thermite etc. But if you know the facts, you never even think that there would be explosives, because you can't see anything what you should see when something explodes. You can't prove anything by denying facts, you need to have some evidence for every claim you make. From year 2001 to present time, foil hats have none. 0 evidence. Doesn't that mean anything to you? No, but instead of thinking about it, you fill this thread with futile crap, like always. Not even a second of thinking, no hesitation at all, you adopt even the stupidest claims in nanoseconds. This is what the scientific study has confirmed to be characterize behavior of the foil hat moron, the most idiotic herd animal on the planet.
Who believes in fairly tales? That's right, no other than Bozo the retarded inbreed from Finland, that after all the evidence presented in this thread keeps telling us, who live here, that the official 9/11 conspiracy commission report was true. Keep at it. In your mind you still think you are a winner.
OWNED!!!
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So, you cannot Google, can't you? There isn't any mystery about the heritage of Osama, he is a part of the family which owns oilfields, and has long history of weapon business with the USA. All this you would find for example in the magazines and books printed years before 9/11, so it is a fact that Osama was multimillionaire. Everybody seem to know it, but you?
What would be the main function of Norad? Find and destroy passenger jets? Really? Why in the name of hell they would use military technology to seek civil aero planes BEFORE there is any threat at all? That has to be one of the most idiotic arguments in history of mankind, and only fucking imbecile could use crappy argument like that. In exactly where they shoot down civil aircrafts which are lost from their course? Do you silly guy even understand how high is the threshold to do it? Only Russians have shot down some passenger jets knowing they are doing just that, USA has drop one in the mistake at the war zone. Beside of these, it has never happen, so what is the use of Norad against the civil aircrafts? And you own me by that crap? Grow up, you fucking child. You have no means to own anybody, you are just throwing some crap from your diapers.
Iran Air Flight 655
Iran Air Flight 655 was Iran Air passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai. On 3 July 1988, the aircraft operating on this route was shot down by the United States Navy guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes under the command of William C. Rogers III. The incident took place in Iranian airspace, over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf, and on the flight's usual flight path. The aircraft, an Airbus A300 B2-203, was destroyed by SM-2MR surface-to-air missiles fired from Vincennes. All 290 on board died.[1] The cruiser Vincennes had entered Iranian territorial waters after one of its helicopters drew warning fire from Iranian speedboats operating within Iranian territorial limits.[2][3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
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Extraordinary 911Truth Update! Ken O'Keefe exposing David Cameron UN Speech
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Of course not.
But there's tons of eyewitnesses that saw an airplane. :-\
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But there's tons of eyewitnesses that saw an airplane. :-\
They are government planted witnesses.
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Haha M4tad0r
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The Failures of the youtube monkey known as M4tad0r who is floating down the river of denial, fantasy, tinfoil hattery.
I am sure chaos and Ropo can cite many more. But here are 3 from the last few pages of this thread:
9/11: Bush Admits “Explosives” Used At World Trade Center (Video)
Start watching at 0:37 seconds for a in your face revelation from non other than our own president. How you like them apples now?
All of you goverment shill defenders are OWNED!!!
Bush in a press conference talking about intel gathered from Khalid and doesn't mention WTC at all, and obviously misreads his speech. But this is hailed by the youtube monkey as "Bush Admits “Explosives” Used At World Trade Center"
He wants the CT to be real so bad, he ignore his intelligence, reading comprehension, and common sense.
He doesn't even bother to read the transcript.
________________________ ________________________ ___________________
19 goat shepherds defeated a multi-billion dollar defense system, masterminded by a terrorist hidden in cave of a 3rd world country, and 3 steel skyscrapers came down due to fuel and office fire. The offical truffer report on 9/11!!!
Here he builds on his fantasy starting with "19 goat shepherds" when many of these Terrorists when 10 of the 19 either graduated from College or attended college. Not too many goat shepherds typically have college education in things like civil law and avionics.
Its really sad to see a person having to outright lie to make a point about a tinfoil hat fantasy.
________________________ ________________________ ___________________
This one shows his level of desperation to make his fantasy real:
In the aftermath there have been studies done on the WTC's and what happened that day. Its also a very common discussion engineering schools at one point or another.
Other than a few thousand mostly crack pot engineers which represent far less than 1% of the of educated people in the world who know BS pseudoscience, and legitimate engineering science, no one has pointed out with peer reviewed assertions based on hard evidence, not flawed logic, or BS rhetoric, that its was a demolition.
Where? Please give some links to such claims.
Here is a link:
http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-engineers-study-911-lessons-how-help-buildings-withstand-threats (http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-engineers-study-911-lessons-how-help-buildings-withstand-threats)
So where is the study and discussion explaining the the collapse of the twin towers?
Can't understand he's own links.
HAHAHAHAHAHA Ozmo
Still OWNED!!!!
M4tad0r doesn't think a discussion about how the WTC's failed preceded a study and discussion about how to make buildings safer from terrorist attacks from 9/11?
What kind of stupid is this man?
(http://www.vote29.com/newmyblog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/bitch-slap-the-article-large.jpg)
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It's getting very obvious what a bunch of goverment shills we got here, filling the thread with pages with their propaganda, and trying to degrade people with insults and posts so they stop following it, and it's showing.
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It's getting very obvious what you bunch of goverment shills we got here, filling the thread with pages with their propaganda, and trying to degrade people with insults and posts so they stop following it, and it's showing.
Insults?
Man up and address your Failures youtube monkey.
Or hide behind you tinfoil hat.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHA
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The couple in this thread who champion the official story are plainly idiots or just trolling.
No rational, thinking, intelligent human cannot see the very obvious horseshit in what is told as "the story".
Three steel buildings collapsing perfectly onto themselves, one that wasn't even hit by a plane, just "falling debris, bro!" ... LOL
Nonsense.
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Hey youtube boy,
We have been over this before on the thread where you were owned and debunked and then you ran away.
If you want me to read your retort. Don't use all caps.
Now to the one part i did read:
I don't need to give you links, or better yet, a youtube video of it. just use you head. Why wouldn't that be a question someone would ask in a structural engineering class? I know it common because i have read discussions on FB that people were having about it.
Are you telling me students wouldn't ask a question like that for fear of "the evil government" sneaking into their dorms at night a killing them or the professor?
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Owned!!! ;)
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They are more like coincidence theorists it's unreal how far they'll go to defend goverment stop at nothing.
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So people really believe that the most secure building on US soil only had one surveillance camera that showed that side of the building that day? Really? You'd have to be simply retarded to think there is only one single camera with a shitty view that captured the missile hit the pentagon. If it was a jet, it would have been shot down. There is a defense system that protects the Pentagon against that very thing happening. My God people are naive... That video footage was released from that camera because it sucked, and doesn't give a clear view of what actually hit the Pentagon. It sure appeased all the idiots that can't see beyond the spoon fed shit they're given to eat by the government though.
Remember these are Europeans which we are arguing against.
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Remember these are Europeans which we are arguing against.
I am an American youtube monkey.... another FAIL lol
Haha M4tad0r
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The Failures of the youtube monkey known as M4tad0r who is floating down the river of denial, fantasy, tinfoil hattery.
I am sure chaos and Ropo can cite many more. But here are 3 from the last few pages of this thread:
9/11: Bush Admits “Explosives” Used At World Trade Center (Video)
Start watching at 0:37 seconds for a in your face revelation from non other than our own president. How you like them apples now?
All of you goverment shill defenders are OWNED!!!
Bush in a press conference talking about intel gathered from Khalid and doesn't mention WTC at all, and obviously misreads his speech. But this is hailed by the youtube monkey as "Bush Admits “Explosives” Used At World Trade Center"
He wants the CT to be real so bad, he ignore his intelligence, reading comprehension, and common sense.
He doesn't even bother to read the transcript.
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19 goat shepherds defeated a multi-billion dollar defense system, masterminded by a terrorist hidden in cave of a 3rd world country, and 3 steel skyscrapers came down due to fuel and office fire. The offical truffer report on 9/11!!!
Here he builds on his fantasy starting with "19 goat shepherds" when many of these Terrorists when 10 of the 19 either graduated from College or attended college. Not too many goat shepherds typically have college education in things like civil law and avionics.
Its really sad to see a person having to outright lie to make a point about a tinfoil hat fantasy.
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This one shows his level of desperation to make his fantasy real:
In the aftermath there have been studies done on the WTC's and what happened that day. Its also a very common discussion engineering schools at one point or another.
Other than a few thousand mostly crack pot engineers which represent far less than 1% of the of educated people in the world who know BS pseudoscience, and legitimate engineering science, no one has pointed out with peer reviewed assertions based on hard evidence, not flawed logic, or BS rhetoric, that its was a demolition.
Where? Please give some links to such claims.
Here is a link:
http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-engineers-study-911-lessons-how-help-buildings-withstand-threats (http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-engineers-study-911-lessons-how-help-buildings-withstand-threats)
So where is the study and discussion explaining the the collapse of the twin towers?
Can't understand he's own links.
HAHAHAHAHAHA Ozmo
Still OWNED!!!!
M4tad0r doesn't think a discussion about how the WTC's failed preceded a study and discussion about how to make buildings safer from terrorist attacks from 9/11?
What kind of stupid is this man?
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Mods, please rename the thread to Ozmo and Ropo vs. M4tad0r and Las Vegas.
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The couple in this thread who champion the official story are plainly idiots or just trolling.
No rational, thinking, intelligent human cannot see the very obvious horseshit in what is told as "the story".
Three steel buildings collapsing perfectly onto themselves, one that wasn't even hit by a plane, just "falling debris, bro!" ... LOL
Nonsense.
X2
i'm convinced anyone who's making the "tin foil" comments, are just trolling.
only A 7 year old retarded kid could take the official story for what it is, and believe it.
There's a committee (Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth) with over 1500 professionals who
refute the claims of the official narrative, but I guess they got their Tin Foil hats as well when they graduated
in their respective fields. ::) ::)
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X2
i'm convinced anyone who's making the "tin foil" comments, are just trolling.
only A 7 year old retarded kid could take the official story for what it is, and believe it.
There's a committee (Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth) with over 1500 professionals who
refute the claims of the official narrative, but I guess they got their Tin Foil hats as well when they graduated
in their respective fields. ::) ::)
what do you think happened?
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i'm convinced anyone who's making the "tin foil" comments, are just trolling.
only A 7 year old retarded kid could take the official story for what it is, and believe it.
There's a committee (Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth) with over 1500 professionals who
refute the claims of the official narrative, but I guess they got their Tin Foil hats as well when they graduated
in their respective fields. ::) ::)
Completely wrong.
Put it into perspective.
1500 "professionals" compared to millions of "professionals" in the various fields of science that relate to what happens to the WTCs.
If these "1500 professionals" had any credibility in their charges they would produce peer reviewed research showing the fallacies of the official report and other reports from scientists.
What these 1500 professionals are are crack pots.
If there was any legitimate claim much more than less than 1% of these professionals would be voicing their concerns.
That's why the term "tin foil hats" comes up when dealer with truffers.
You can show them black and white solid facts and they instantly develop cognitive dissonance.
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what do you think happened?
What do you think Happened at Hillsborough -- When 96 Died.
Did you & Do You Still Believe The Official Report / Story of What Happened.
Lots of People didn't - And Have Fought A Long Hard uphill Battle To Prove
That The Official Story Was All Lies.
It's Taken Them 27yrs To Finally Get The Truth Out.
They Dared To Stand up & Challenge What They Didn't Believe & Knew To Be Lies.
Were they or are they Tin Foil Hat Brigade.
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What do you think Happened at Hillsborough -- When 96 Died.
Did you & Do You Still Believe The Official Report / Story of What Happened.
Lots of People didn't - And Have Fought A Long Hard uphill Battle To Prove
That The Official Story Was All Lies.
It's Taken Them 27yrs To Finally Get The Truth Out.
They Dared To Stand up & Challenge What They Didn't Believe & Knew To Be Lies.
Were they or are they Tin Foil Hat Brigade.
Questioning something doesn't legitimize an accusation. The facts do. The report in Hillsborough was questioned and found to be a lie. That doesn't mean that because 9/11 is questioned by some that it is also a lie. What makes 9/11 truffers Tin Foil Hattery is that in the presence of stacks of evidence and facts, agreed upon by the main stream science, they still believe the WTC were demolished and the pentagon was hit by a missile based on rhetoric and flawed logic.
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Questioning something doesn't legitimize an accusation. The facts do. The report in Hillsborough was questioned and found to be a lie. That doesn't mean that because 9/11 is questioned by some that it is also a lie. What makes 9/11 truffers Tin Foil Hattery is that in the presence of stacks of evidence and facts, agreed upon by the main stream science, they still believe the WTC were demolished and the pentagon was hit by a missile based on rhetoric and flawed logic.
::) ::) ;) ;)
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3 steel framed buildings collapsed into their own footprints on the same day, when never before in history has even one done so. All three fell at near free fall speed, and accelerated on the way down. One of which was never hit by a plane, only small fires from debris. Our Air Force couldn't intercept a single plane that day, except flight 93, which they did shoot down. Bullshit story of 'heroes' taking over the plane, makes for a good movie though...when they had done so dozens of times before that day. Mysterious power downs for several weeks leading up to 9/11 in WTC towers. Explosive detection dogs no longer allowed in the buildings either. Molten steel at base of buildings and traces of thermite and nano-thermite found. No wreckage at Pentagon, FBI confiscated all security cameras from any buildings in sight of the Pentagon within minutes. One shitty little video, that's the only one released from the most protected building on planet earth.....really? Wake up. There's so much more evidence this was done by our government. 19 Arabs with fucking box cutters defeated the most protected place on earth, masterminded from a cave by a guy on dialysis.... Fuck... Only a complete retard would believe that bullshit.
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3 steel framed buildings collapsed into their own footprints on the same day, when never before in history has even one done so. All three fell at near free fall speed, and accelerated on the way down. One of which was never hit by a plane, only small fires from debris. Our Air Force couldn't intercept a single plane that day, except flight 93, which they did shoot down. Bullshit story of 'heroes' taking over the plane, makes for a good movie though...when they had done so dozens of times before that day. Mysterious power downs for several weeks leading up to 9/11 in WTC towers. Explosive detection dogs no longer allowed in the buildings either. Molten steel at base of buildings and traces of thermite and nano-thermite found. No wreckage at Pentagon, FBI confiscated all security cameras from any buildings in sight of the Pentagon within minutes. One shitty little video, that's the only one released from the most protected building on planet earth.....really? Wake up. There's so much more evidence this was done by our government. 19 Arabs with fucking box cutters defeated the most protected place on earth, masterminded from a cave by a guy on dialysis.... Fuck... Only a complete retard would believe that bullshit.
According to the European Getbiggers, they need goverment approved reports, or it didn't happen, regardless of the massive amount of videos posted here with live testimony proven other wise, and links to studies done by professionals in their fields.
I'm starting to understand their mentality and how it is possible that Europe is being run down by Muslims. It all makes sense. It looks like all the free thinking man left that continent long time ago.
Corruption in Government does not exist in Europe. Just ask the German people how they are doing with the influx of immigrants, betrayed by Angela Merkel.
And you Brits? You are lucky that you guys live in an Island, otherwise you would be worse off than France.
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3 steel framed buildings collapsed into their own footprints on the same day, when never before in history has even one done so. All three fell at near free fall speed, and accelerated on the way down. One of which was never hit by a plane, only small fires from debris. Our Air Force couldn't intercept a single plane that day, except flight 93, which they did shoot down. Bullshit story of 'heroes' taking over the plane, makes for a good movie though...when they had done so dozens of times before that day. Mysterious power downs for several weeks leading up to 9/11 in WTC towers. Explosive detection dogs no longer allowed in the buildings either. Molten steel at base of buildings and traces of thermite and nano-thermite found. No wreckage at Pentagon, FBI confiscated all security cameras from any buildings in sight of the Pentagon within minutes. One shitty little video, that's the only one released from the most protected building on planet earth.....really? Wake up. There's so much more evidence this was done by our government. 19 Arabs with fucking box cutters defeated the most protected place on earth, masterminded from a cave by a guy on dialysis.... Fuck... Only a complete retard would believe that bullshit.
1st sentence not true. Why read the rest?
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::) ::) ;) ;)
When you can man up and refute your failures then you might have a shred of credibility.
The Failures of the youtube monkey known as M4tad0r who is floating down the river of denial, fantasy, tinfoil hattery.
I am sure chaos and Ropo can cite many more. But here are 3 from the last few pages of this thread:
9/11: Bush Admits “Explosives” Used At World Trade Center (Video)
Start watching at 0:37 seconds for a in your face revelation from non other than our own president. How you like them apples now?
All of you goverment shill defenders are OWNED!!!
Bush in a press conference talking about intel gathered from Khalid and doesn't mention WTC at all, and obviously misreads his speech. But this is hailed by the youtube monkey as "Bush Admits “Explosives” Used At World Trade Center"
He wants the CT to be real so bad, he ignore his intelligence, reading comprehension, and common sense.
He doesn't even bother to read the transcript.
________________________ ________________________ ___________________
19 goat shepherds defeated a multi-billion dollar defense system, masterminded by a terrorist hidden in cave of a 3rd world country, and 3 steel skyscrapers came down due to fuel and office fire. The offical truffer report on 9/11!!!
Here he builds on his fantasy starting with "19 goat shepherds" when many of these Terrorists when 10 of the 19 either graduated from College or attended college. Not too many goat shepherds typically have college education in things like civil law and avionics.
Its really sad to see a person having to outright lie to make a point about a tinfoil hat fantasy.
________________________ ________________________ ___________________
This one shows his level of desperation to make his fantasy real:
In the aftermath there have been studies done on the WTC's and what happened that day. Its also a very common discussion engineering schools at one point or another.
Other than a few thousand mostly crack pot engineers which represent far less than 1% of the of educated people in the world who know BS pseudoscience, and legitimate engineering science, no one has pointed out with peer reviewed assertions based on hard evidence, not flawed logic, or BS rhetoric, that its was a demolition.
Where? Please give some links to such claims.
Here is a link:
http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-engineers-study-911-lessons-how-help-buildings-withstand-threats (http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-engineers-study-911-lessons-how-help-buildings-withstand-threats)
So where is the study and discussion explaining the the collapse of the twin towers?
Can't understand he's own links.
HAHAHAHAHAHA Ozmo
Still OWNED!!!!
M4tad0r doesn't think a discussion about how the WTC's failed preceded a study and discussion about how to make buildings safer from terrorist attacks from 9/11?
What kind of stupid is this man?
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All you need to know the gov was involved is that Bush enacted a presidential order to forever seal his and Cheneys testimony. You think they have nothing to hide?
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All you need to know the gov was involved is that Bush enacted a presidential order to forever seal his and Cheneys testimony. You think they have nothing to hide?
They probably had plenty to hide.
9/11 was a massive intelligence failure on many levels. Many people should have lost their jobs, including Rumsfeld. Also, vulnerabilities such as inward looking primary radar facilities were exposed that would have took several years to fix as well interior air defense protocols and a lack of shared intel by various agencies.
Things like this shows an extreme lack of understanding of how some of these systems work. A few hours of dedicated research will reveal why a "multi-million dollar defense system" failed on 9/11. But its a lot easier to ask rhetorical questions based on false or incomplete premises and act as if "you are in the know better then anyone else:. A good example of this is Brink and his assertion about concrete used in skyscrapers. Basically its open mouth and insert foot. He still can't man up and admit his mistake. Same with M4tad0r. There have been several if not many university and individual scientists, studies regarding the WTC that resulted in published papers. I just showed him 1 study and he can't even man up to that. Instead he wants to talk about office fires.
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Now you are proving the conspiracy by the speech of the moron, who have a career long history of misspelling and errors in his speech? Way to go, if you are here to prove how fucking moronic foil hats can be ;D
You just heard him. And your still defending it. Just wow dude... the guy clearly just made a slip up and you dismiss it as 'errors in his speech'
You are officially out of this conversation now gtfo of here idiot.
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You just heard him. And your still defending it. Just wow dude... the guy clearly just made a slip up and you dismiss it as 'errors in his speech'
You are officially out of this conversation now gtfo of here idiot.
You have no room to talk COWARD. ;D You need to crawl back into your cowardly bitch hole. ;D
and you are wrong about your latest post too.
Engineers don't design structures that size to be 'just strong enough'. That's ridiculous. And it's not the steel that protects the building from gravity, it's the concrete columns which have tremendous compressive strength. Steel is merely meant to keep the concrete from twisting apart and to protect its integrity from vector type forces. Any engineer will tell you that.
Physics!!!!! ;)
Again you are wrong. You are drawing conclusions from incorrect assumptions and inaccurate information. If you don't like the wiki proof there is more i can post from actual engineers to show how wrong you are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center)
The World Trade Center towers included many structural engineering innovations in skyscraper design and construction, which allowed the buildings to reach new heights and become the tallest in the world. Traditionally, skyscrapers used a skeleton of columns distributed throughout the interior to support building loads, with interior columns disrupting the floor space. The tube-frame concept, earlier introduced by Fazlur Khan, was a major innovation, allowing open floor plans and more space to rent. The buildings used high-strength, load-bearing perimeter steel columns called Vierendeel trusses that were spaced closely together to form a strong, rigid wall structure. There were 60 perimeter columns, narrowly spaced, on each side of the buildings. In all, the perimeter walls of the towers were 210 feet (64 m) on each side, and the corners were beveled. The perimeter columns were designed to provide support for virtually all lateral loads (such as wind loads) and to share the gravity loads with the core columns.[48] Structural analysis of major portions of the World Trade Center were computed on an IBM 1620.[49]
The perimeter structure was constructed with extensive use of prefabricated modular pieces, which consisted of three columns, three stories tall, connected by spandrel plates. The perimeter columns had a square cross section, 14 inches (36 cm) on a side, and were constructed of welded steel plate.[50] The thickness of the plates and grade of structural steel varied over the height of the tower, ranging from 36,000 to 100,000 pounds per square inch[51] (260 to 670 MPa). The strength of the steel and thickness of the steel plates decreased with height because they were required to support lesser amounts of building mass on higher floors.[50] The tube-frame design required 40 percent less structural steel than conventional building designs.[52] From the 7th floor to the ground level, and down to the foundation, the columns were spaced 10 feet (3 m) apart.[53] All columns were placed on bedrock, which, unlike that in Midtown Manhattan, where the bedrock is shallow, is at 65–85 feet (20–26 m) below the surface.[54]
The spandrel plates were welded to the columns to create the modular pieces off-site at the fabrication shop.[55] The modular pieces were typically 52 inches (1.3 m) deep, and extended for two full floors and half of two more floors.[50] Adjacent modules were bolted together, with the splices occurring at mid-span of the columns and spandrels. The spandrel plates were located at each floor, transmitting shear stress between columns, allowing them to work together in resisting lateral loads. The joints between modules were staggered vertically, so the column splices between adjacent modules were not at the same floor.[50]
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The tube frame design using steel core and perimeter columns protected with sprayed-on fire resistant material created a relatively lightweight structure that would sway more in response to the wind, compared to traditional structures such as the Empire State Building that have thick, heavy masonry for fireproofing of steel structural elements
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Questioning something doesn't legitimize an accusation. The facts do. The report in Hillsborough was questioned and found to be a lie. That doesn't mean that because 9/11 is questioned by some that it is also a lie. What makes 9/11 truffers Tin Foil Hattery is that in the presence of stacks of evidence and facts, agreed upon by the main stream science, they still believe the WTC were demolished and the pentagon was hit by a missile based on rhetoric and flawed logic.
Questioning doesn't legitimise the accusation-- No it Questions it.
More so & Correctly so when there is considerable doubt.
If you missed it -- it took 27yrs of fighting the official story & the establishment to get the Truth
As To What Happened at Hillsborough.
As to what happened & how on 9/11.
Some clearly know & the truth is there -- it's locked up hidden from the public for unknown reasons.
Or should I say Security Of The Nation Reasons.
Cleary just how a small group of terrorist managed to bring such a mighty power as America
To its Knees that Day & Expose it as being so vulnerable Really Does Need Answering.
Not Hiding & Sealing Documents away.
What have they to hide.
Thank Fcuk it wasn't Russia or China launching a Stealth Attack on America That Day
Chances are you'd be speaking another language now.
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what do you think happened?
The greatest lie to the American public ever, in order to get the Nation to back a series of wars, give up their security and liberties, and the rest is history.
Since that day the US is still at war. Americans are treated like criminals in their own airports. The NSA has the ability to see anyone and everyone's private info thanks to technology. Last but not least there's a scapegoat to make it all plausible...al quaeda. Well that one got old, so now it's ISIS. It feels like pro wrestling, where the heels (bad guy gimmicks) are scripted overnight and you guys buy it up.
Like I said before, if you can honestly watch a documentary like loose change, or zeitgeist and can't question anything about these events, there is a problem with you. If you were less than 13-14 years of age when this happened (2001) let alone born, you need to shut the fuck up on this issue. There can be kids online or wherever, who are teenagers now, but weren't born when this happened. You simply do not understand the magnitude of what these events changed in modern history. The life we all live in now in north America is shifted and affected by this. And so you can imagine the reality of a government staging an attack on its own soil, making it look like it was an "enemy" and killing many in the process is a pretty big deal. People grew soft. This is the type of thing that could get the public to back the country into war. Nothing less would suffice. I agree it's a serious matter and everyone should stand on the side of justice, the only problem is you were (we were all) lied to about that day.
Why a government chooses to "classify" documents and then release them to the public 30-40 years later is insane. Case in point operation northwoods in the 1960's . You can see that way back then, the US had no problem provoking an attack on Cuba based on a false flag. Look back at how Hitler gained power after the Reichstag building burned down. Its nothing new, history repeats itself, but idiots everywhere are too stupid to see for themselves.
Those who don't learn from history are damned to repeat it.
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The greatest lie to the American public ever, in order to get the Nation to back a series of wars, give up their security and liberties, and the rest is history.
Since that day the US is still at war. Americans are treated like criminals in their own airports. The NSA has the ability to see anyone and everyone's private info thanks to technology. Last but not least there's a scapegoat to make it all plausible...al quaeda. Well that one got old, so now it's ISIS. It feels like pro wrestling, where the heels (bad guy gimmicks) are scripted overnight and you guys buy it up.
Like I said before, if you can honestly watch a documentary like loose change, or zeitgeist and can't question anything about these events, there is a problem with you. If you were less than 13-14 years of age when this happened (2001) let alone born, you need to shut the fuck up on this issue. There can be kids online or wherever, who are teenagers now, but weren't born when this happened. You simply do not understand the magnitude of what these events changed in modern history. The life we all live in now in north America is shifted and affected by this. And so you can imagine the reality of a government staging an attack on its own soil, making it look like it was an "enemy" and killing many in the process is a pretty big deal. People grew soft. This is the type of thing that could get the public to back the country into war. Nothing less would suffice. I agree it's a serious matter and everyone should stand on the side of justice, the only problem is you were (we were all) lied to about that day.
Why a government chooses to "classify" documents and then release them to the public 30-40 years later is insane. Case in point operation northwoods in the 1960's . You can see that way back then, the US had no problem provoking an attack on Cuba based on a false flag. Look back at how Hitler gained power after the Reichstag building burned down. Its nothing new, history repeats itself, but idiots everywhere are too stupid to see for themselves.
Those who don't learn from history are damned to repeat it.
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The greatest lie to the American public ever, in order to get the Nation to back a series of wars, give up their security and liberties, and the rest is history.
Since that day the US is still at war. Americans are treated like criminals in their own airports. The NSA has the ability to see anyone and everyone's private info thanks to technology. Last but not least there's a scapegoat to make it all plausible...al quaeda. Well that one got old, so now it's ISIS. It feels like pro wrestling, where the heels (bad guy gimmicks) are scripted overnight and you guys buy it up.
Like I said before, if you can honestly watch a documentary like loose change, or zeitgeist and can't question anything about these events, there is a problem with you. If you were less than 13-14 years of age when this happened (2001) let alone born, you need to shut the fuck up on this issue. There can be kids online or wherever, who are teenagers now, but weren't born when this happened. You simply do not understand the magnitude of what these events changed in modern history. The life we all live in now in north America is shifted and affected by this. And so you can imagine the reality of a government staging an attack on its own soil, making it look like it was an "enemy" and killing many in the process is a pretty big deal. People grew soft. This is the type of thing that could get the public to back the country into war. Nothing less would suffice. I agree it's a serious matter and everyone should stand on the side of justice, the only problem is you were (we were all) lied to about that day.
Why a government chooses to "classify" documents and then release them to the public 30-40 years later is insane. Case in point operation northwoods in the 1960's . You can see that way back then, the US had no problem provoking an attack on Cuba based on a false flag. Look back at how Hitler gained power after the Reichstag building burned down. Its nothing new, history repeats itself, but idiots everywhere are too stupid to see for themselves.
Those who don't learn from history are damned to repeat it.
Thanks for that , but would you like to now answer my original question of what you think happened on 9/11?
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What do you think Happened at Hillsborough -- When 96 Died.
Did you & Do You Still Believe The Official Report / Story of What Happened.
Lots of People didn't - And Have Fought A Long Hard uphill Battle To Prove
That The Official Story Was All Lies.
It's Taken Them 27yrs To Finally Get The Truth Out.
They Dared To Stand up & Challenge What They Didn't Believe & Knew To Be Lies.
Were they or are they Tin Foil Hat Brigade.
Well a jury has now decided that 96 people were unlawfully killed, the police at the time made some bad decisions, however, and its a big however, some of the fans themselves were responsible for the awful events that day, have you heard the term "but for your actions", I think its tort law, but dont quote me on it.
If the jury had decided that it was death by misadventure would you have accepted that?
I think not, you see you are only happy when the result goes your way
That jury had immense pressure to go with the unlawful killing verdict due to them having to face the wrath of the public if they didnt.
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Well a jury has now decided that 96 people were unlawfully killed, the police at the time made some bad decisions, however, and its a big however, some of the fans themselves were responsible for the awful events that day, have you heard the term "but for your actions", I think its tort law, but dont quote me on it.
If the jury had decided that it was death by misadventure would you have accepted that?
I think not, you see you are only happy when the result goes your way
That jury had immense pressure to go with the unlawful killing verdict due to them having to face the wrath of the public if they didnt.
Death by misadventure-- No I would not of accepted that as it clearly wasn't.
True the likelyhood is some of the fans did contribute to the horrific events of that day.
They Family's & Those Fighting For Justice Had Suffered The Immense Pressure & The Wrath
Of The Establishment - Police & Papers For Many Many Years.
Your Point Is.
You Fail to acknowledge That The Offical Story Was a Crock of Shit to cover up What actually
Happened.
Had The Establishment Choosen To Be Truthful & Honest From The Start it would of
Saved a lot of Heartache- Pain- Time & money.
Only they choose not to & to Lie & Blame Others.
Had 96 Coppers Died That Day -- How many Liverpool supports would have been
Banged up very quickly -- And Not Wating 27yrs for the truth to come out Let Alone
Getting Somebody Banged up.
Instead of Twisting & Turning & Coming up with Very Little.
You must be one of Very Few People left That Believes There Goverment
Doesn't Lie to them Whenever They Feel Like It.
Wake up Man & Smell The Coffee.
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Death by misadventure-- No I would not of accepted that as it clearly wasn't.
True the likelyhood is some of the fans did contribute to the horrific events of that day.
They Family's & Those Fighting For Justice Had Suffered The Immense Pressure & The Wrath
Of The Establishment - Police & Papers For Many Many Years.
Your Point Is.
You Fail to acknowledge That The Offical Story Was a Crock of Shit to cover up What actually
Happened.
Had The Establishment Choosen To Be Truthful & Honest From The Start it would of
Saved a lot of Heartache- Pain- Time & money.
Only they choose not to & to Lie & Blame Others.
Had 96 Coppers Died That Day -- How many Liverpool supports would have been
Banged up very quickly -- And Not Wating 27yrs for the truth to come out Let Alone
Getting Somebody Banged up.
Instead of Twisting & Turning & Coming up with Very Little.
You must be one of Very Few People left That Believes There Goverment
Doesn't Lie to them Whenever They Feel Like It.
Wake up Man & Smell The Coffee.
I am awake and I have not only smelled the coffee I have drunk it.
I have already said in this thread , people are twats, they do bad things, is it beyond the realms of possibility George Bush was behind 9/11 , no of course not.
Its just that you seem to believe like all tin foil hatters it was something other than planes that brought down the WTC and hit the Pentagon.
There isn't any evidence to the contrary that it was planes yet you still keep banging on about explosions.
And for the record, almost everyone in the USA thinks George Bush is a total incompetent yet he arranged and masterminded the bringing down the WTC????
Make your minds up.
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What really blows my mind is that we have all these retards from Europe, telling us, Americans how we are a bunch of tin foil hats, and how the goverment told us the truth on what happend on 9/11 of 2001, which was lead according to Ropo the retarded inbreed by one of the stupidest persons we have ever had as President. So president stupid, but every body else within the goverment smart and good at their job, talking about contradictions.
Let that sink in for a moment.
But keep posting, if you think having the last post means you guys are winning and writing the stupidest answers with nothing to back it up other than the official 9/11 commission, after all the evidence we have posted here, then it really show you room temperature IQ.
We Americans do believe that we were never told the truth on what happened that day, that the official 9/11 conspiracy commission report is nothing but bullshit, and a lot of people, traitor to our nation got away with murder, and we are still paying for the consequences of that day. And we will never let up.
Well, at least I was born far before this happening, and watch most of it in the live TV. so I don't have to depend on the foil hat bullshit like you do. Secondly, world is laughing to your level of ignorance, and it is well known fact that you silly fuckers can't find your home from the map of the world. Here in Europe we have a good education starting from the beginning, and that's why we know things better than your kind of morons. You see, foil hat claims are ridiculous crap, and you have to be seriously ill from the head if you don't realize it. People with the normal brains doesn't even have to think these things, they see only bunch of ridiculous lies, and those lies are core of your blind faith. For example, everyone who has throw a firecracker in the phone booth knows, that explosions are bad for the windows. If someone would come and claim that he has throw 20 kilos of dynamite in the phone booth and the explosion didn't break the windows, you wouldn't believe him. But if we scale up this same fucking idiotism, and talk about skyscraper and tons of explosives, you have no doubt that it has happen. That single thing proves that only reason to you to be here is blind faith, you doesn't think at all, and that's why you don't understand that foil hats has lie to you.
And why that rant about my nationality, while all you have to do is prove those explosions? Are you really such fucking idiot that you don't realize how obvious it is that you do everything to avoid to do so? Anybody sees that you are dodging the question because you do not really have the answer. That proves your knowledge about the matter is inadequate, because all of it is just foil hat crap. First they feed you with lies you want to believe, but in the next phase they doesn't provide the answers, and you make a complete fool of yourself trying "think with your own brains" which are full of shit.
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So where are they then? All 4 black boxes disintegrated that day then? But keep at it, Bozo the retarded inbreed from Finland.
Do you really want to know? It make no difference what I answer, your blind faith force you claim it is a lie. You don't even have any other options, because then you should admit that foil hats has lie to you. That's why it would be better that you Google that by yourself, but you don't because you know you can't find answer you would like. And this you call "clarifying the truth"? What I have done, is give you simple examples about the impossible things in the foil hats theory. Things which yourself could confirm just by Google, because the errors what I have pointed out are so fucking obvious. What do you do? You hang in the foil hat theory like a maggot in the shit, and all you can do is that mindless rant? And every time you open your mouth, you prove your stupidity to every one who read this thread.
Let me explain one little thing to you. What ever I have write about the subject, I have done all the research about it while writing. That's how hard it is to find holes from the foil hat theory. During the years I have concentrate just in the most obvious and ridiculous lies, because they are the core of this foil hat theory, and that's why I know by 100% indubitably that there is no explosions. Nothing what so ever, because it would be complete impossible in those circumstances.
If you look it objectively, only way to make those explosions possible would be overrule the laws of physics, and that is completely impossible. And what is the ridiculous about this, you don't have even the faintest idea what I am talking about, because fucking gravity is only law of physics you have heard of. You fucking tool doesn't understand that for example, it is easy to calculate how much energy you need to apply to cut those core columns, and that would be equal to the amount of energy what you get from explosives, giving you a relatively accurate specks what is needed. If you know how much energy is needed, energy transfer law rules that if you release x mount of energy, it transfer to object to objet until it is all transferred to environment. That means if you release anything with the energy to cut those massive columns, the energy would be visible in many different ways while it is transferred to the environment. That's exactly what you DON'T see at the 9/11 videos, so it is 100% fact that explosions didn't happen. You believe foil hat crap because you are ignorant fucking tool, and you prove it just fine by yourself. Everything I have said is really easy to confirm, because IT IS ALL JUST A COMMON KNOWLEDGE YOU FIND FROM THE HANDBOOKS AND MANUALS. But the question is, can you do it? Or do you continue that foil hat rant with your blind faith? I bet you do, because you rather die than admit, that you were wrong ;D
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Awesome rebuttle. Can't argue with your scholar like logic.
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Thanks for that , but would you like to now answer my original question of what you think happened on 9/11?
2 planes (very likely flown via remote) flown into towers.
Missile fired into Pentagon , and in shanksville just a complete shit show of a mess made to look like a downed plane, but a failed attempt. Next, Norad is running a drill near the Canadian border which involve exercises mimicking hijacked planes and the people involved have no idea if they are participating in an exercise by the time the real attacks are made aware to them. Next, we have employees of the WTC who swear by their account that there were many explosions in the sub levels of the towers.when the towers collapse we see demolition squibbs bursting out the side clearly. Buildings collapse and pulverize for the first time in history (in 3 separate modern skyscrapers) on of which was not hit by plane. But you might argue x amount of reasons why all that is not possible, yet the same stories you believe are from the ones who tell you one of the terrorists passports fell to the ground after the plane hit the building in a firey ball...
The greatest lie ever told, to open the door to the middle east. Just look how many regimes the USA was able to topple and how many oil fields they have captured since that date.
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I am awake and I have not only smelled the coffee I have drunk it.
I have already said in this thread , people are twats, they do bad things, is it beyond the realms of possibility George Bush was behind 9/11 , no of course not.
Its just that you seem to believe like all tin foil hatters it was something other than planes that brought down the WTC and hit the Pentagon.
There isn't any evidence to the contrary that it was planes yet you still keep banging on about explosions.
And for the record, almost everyone in the USA thinks George Bush is a total incompetent yet he arranged and masterminded the bringing down the WTC????
Make your minds up.
Clearly You are Not That Awake -- Try Drinking More Coffee.
At No Point Have I said It was NOT Planes That Hit The Buildings
And or it was Exposives.
That I have doubts & question the Official Story --- Yes.
I see you Clearly Avoided Answering Anything To Do With The Hillsborough
Cover up & all The Official Lying That Took Place.
Why Does It Not Fit In With Your Official Story Being False.
It Is You That Seem To Be Willingly Wearing The Hat....
A Dunces Hat.
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Questioning doesn't legitimise the accusation-- No it Questions it.
More so & Correctly so when there is considerable doubt.
If you missed it -- it took 27yrs of fighting the official story & the establishment to get the Truth
As To What Happened at Hillsborough.
Apples and Oranges. Just because Hillsborough was cover up doesn't 9/11 was
As to what happened & how on 9/11.
Some clearly know & the truth is there -- it's locked up hidden from the public for unknown reasons.
Or should I say Security Of The Nation Reasons.
Cleary just how a small group of terrorist managed to bring such a mighty power as America
To its Knees that Day & Expose it as being so vulnerable Really Does Need Answering.
Not Hiding & Sealing Documents away.
What have they to hide.
No, because there are many other far more plausible reasons to keep some of what happened that day classified. And your exaggeration and hyperbole is typical of the ignorance of CT'ers. There aren't any smoking guns, and there isn't a legitimate charge that has been verified by CT'ers in 15 years.
Thank Fcuk it wasn't Russia or China launching a Stealth Attack on America That Day
Chances are you'd be speaking another language now.
This statement shows just how uneducated you are about how america's defense systems works.
You couldn't be more wrong.
I cannot stress the above sentence more.
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It show how ignorant CT'ers are in general about a great many things.
:D made me think of this
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:D made me think of this
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lol yeah, i thought of it when i wrote it. then erased it lol
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Awesome rebuttle. Can't argue with your scholar like logic.
You mean the logic that says "1500 professionals" are significant in relation to the millions in the profession they belong to. The 1500 Professionals that haven't made a legit charge about that collapse of the WTC?
If there was any passible merit to their charges far more than less than .1% of them would be publishing papers that were peer reviewed showing how it couldn't have happened.
but yet we have CT'er spouting their rhetoric and flawed logic as if they really know something.
Yeah Tin foil hattery is appropriate here.
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2 planes (very likely flown via remote) flown into towers.
Missile fired into Pentagon , and in shanksville just a complete shit show of a mess made to look like a downed plane, but a failed attempt. Next, Norad is running a drill near the Canadian border which involve exercises mimicking hijacked planes and the people involved have no idea if they are participating in an exercise by the time the real attacks are made aware to them. Next, we have employees of the WTC who swear by their account that there were many explosions in the sub levels of the towers.when the towers collapse we see demolition squibbs bursting out the side clearly. Buildings collapse and pulverize for the first time in history (in 3 separate modern skyscrapers) on of which was not hit by plane. But you might argue x amount of reasons why all that is not possible, yet the same stories you believe are from the ones who tell you one of the terrorists passports fell to the ground after the plane hit the building in a firey ball...
The greatest lie ever told, to open the door to the middle east. Just look how many regimes the USA was able to topple and how many oil fields they have captured since that date.
and in all that time since that occurred which must have included a cast of thousands to simultaneously pull it off not one person has come forward to spill the beans.
Also, and its a big also, you have not a single scrap of evidence to back up a single thing you wrote.
let me try
Jesus was pissed at the publicity Allah was getting so he made planes appear and brought down the towers and made it look like a bunch or rag heads in caves did it.
That shite is as provable as your theory.
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and in all that time since that occurred which must have included a cast of thousands to simultaneously pull it off not one person has come forward to spill the beans.
Also, and its a big also, you have not a single scrap of evidence to back up a single thing you wrote.
let me try
Jesus was pissed at the publicity Allah was getting so he made planes appear and brought down the towers and made it look like a bunch or rag heads in caves did it.
That shite is as provable as your theory.
Compare that hundreds if not thousands that would have had to pull 9/11 off and keeping quiet for 15 years to the relative few that pulled watergate off were 1 came forward.
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Well, at least I was born far before this happening, and watch most of it in the live TV. so I don't have to depend on the foil hat bullshit like you do. Secondly, world is laughing to your level of ignorance, and it is well known fact that you silly fuckers can't find your home from the map of the world. Here in Europe we have a good education starting from the beginning, and that's why we know things better than your kind of morons. You see, foil hat claims are ridiculous crap, and you have to be seriously ill from the head if you don't realize it. People with the normal brains doesn't even have to think these things, they see only bunch of ridiculous lies, and those lies are core of your blind faith. For example, everyone who has throw a firecracker in the phone booth knows, that explosions are bad for the windows. If someone would come and claim that he has throw 20 kilos of dynamite in the phone booth and the explosion didn't break the windows, you wouldn't believe him. But if we scale up this same fucking idiotism, and talk about skyscraper and tons of explosives, you have no doubt that it has happen. That single thing proves that only reason to you to be here is blind faith, you doesn't think at all, and that's why you don't understand that foil hats has lie to you.
And why that rant about my nationality, while all you have to do is prove those explosions? Are you really such fucking idiot that you don't realize how obvious it is that you do everything to avoid to do so? Anybody sees that you are dodging the question because you do not really have the answer. That proves your knowledge about the matter is inadequate, because all of it is just foil hat crap. First they feed you with lies you want to believe, but in the next phase they doesn't provide the answers, and you make a complete fool of yourself trying "think with your own brains" which are full of shit.
Why do you keep coming back? Can't you read your own stupidity makes no sense? So now you are comparing firecrackers to the demolition of the twin towers? Have you ever seen a skyscraper in your live?
Your tiny mind does not have the intellectual quotient to assimilated the enormousness size that those building had and it was beyond the laws of physic for 15 floors to have the strength to bring down the rest of 95 foors down to it's base in mere SECONDS without resistance. Watch the video again retard.
We have proved here there were residue of explosives, you dummy, we seen live testimony of people hearing explosion through the building all the way down to the basement, the science to back up the demolition and we have a video were we could hear the explosion in the background.
So what else did you need? An official report from our goverment stating there where explosions? The 9/11 commission never tested or look for it for it to begin with. Comes to show you what a liar Ozmo is, had he read the report really, and never bother to explain the omission of it.
The truth is our goverment tried really hard to shut down the investigation as quickly as possible. You wouldn't know since you live in Europe. And they spent less money investigating 9/11 than what the congress spent trying to impeach the prior President for having his dindong such by a whore, those are fact and it shows you how much they really tried to search for the truth.
You say your country have great education system? Compare to who? Is Finland a world superpower? Is even Europe anymore? Why is it Europe is getting run down by Muslims while we topple governments in the middle east?
It's really showing the lengh this goverment trolls would keep at it so peple stop reading this thread and finding more facts about that day. But don't you worry, the more you post, the easier it gets to demolish you and keep you OWNED!!!
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Do you really want to know? It make no difference what I answer, your blind faith force you claim it is a lie. You don't even have any other options, because then you should admit that foil hats has lie to you. That's why it would be better that you Google that by yourself, but you don't because you know you can't find answer you would like. And this you call "clarifying the truth"? What I have done, is give you simple examples about the impossible things in the foil hats theory. Things which yourself could confirm just by Google, because the errors what I have pointed out are so fucking obvious. What do you do? You hang in the foil hat theory like a maggot in the shit, and all you can do is that mindless rant? And every time you open your mouth, you prove your stupidity to every one who read this thread.
Let me explain one little thing to you. What ever I have write about the subject, I have done all the research about it while writing. That's how hard it is to find holes from the foil hat theory. During the years I have concentrate just in the most obvious and ridiculous lies, because they are the core of this foil hat theory, and that's why I know by 100% indubitably that there is no explosions. Nothing what so ever, because it would be complete impossible in those circumstances.
If you look it objectively, only way to make those explosions possible would be overrule the laws of physics, and that is completely impossible. And what is the ridiculous about this, you don't have even the faintest idea what I am talking about, because fucking gravity is only law of physics you have heard of. You fucking tool doesn't understand that for example, it is easy to calculate how much energy you need to apply to cut those core columns, and that would be equal to the amount of energy what you get from explosives, giving you a relatively accurate specks what is needed. If you know how much energy is needed, energy transfer law rules that if you release x mount of energy, it transfer to object to objet until it is all transferred to environment. That means if you release anything with the energy to cut those massive columns, the energy would be visible in many different ways while it is transferred to the environment. That's exactly what you DON'T see at the 9/11 videos, so it is 100% fact that explosions didn't happen. You believe foil hat crap because you are ignorant fucking tool, and you prove it just fine by yourself. Everything I have said is really easy to confirm, because IT IS ALL JUST A COMMON KNOWLEDGE YOU FIND FROM THE HANDBOOKS AND MANUALS. But the question is, can you do it? Or do you continue that foil hat rant with your blind faith? I bet you do, because you rather die than admit, that you were wrong ;D
::) All this nonsense paragraph back up by bullshit and lies, and never answering the question, never giving us any links to the official report of the explanation to what happened to the black boxes of all 4 planes.
Keep at it retard, you are doing an excellent job. ;D
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10 Disturbing 9/11 Facts
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Well a jury has now decided that 96 people were unlawfully killed, the police at the time made some bad decisions, however, and its a big however, some of the fans themselves were responsible for the awful events that day, have you heard the term "but for your actions", I think its tort law, but dont quote me on it.
If the jury had decided that it was death by misadventure would you have accepted that?
I think not, you see you are only happy when the result goes your way
That jury had immense pressure to go with the unlawful killing verdict due to them having to face the wrath of the public if they didnt.
What jury have revised what happened on 9/11? We don't want the answer to go our way. It's just the event's that 9/11 unleashed is still going today, do you understand? We keep toppling governments in the middle east, we shown you live testimony of General Wesly Clark who run for president, telling us they had already design plans to topple Muslims goverments way back in 2002.
During the presidential debates, the nominees are telling us there is no money for college while the USA has spent trillions of dollars on War of aggression and keeps spending billions on arming terrorist in the Middle East.
We have a massive surveillance system spying on all citizens almost as bad as what you Brits have in England. We don't have cameras in every corner in the cities like you guys do, yet.
So excuse us if we look a little paranoid on this side of the pond.
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CIA And Pentagon Arming Opposite Sides In Syria
http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-cia-pentagon-isis-20160327-story.html
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:D made me think of this
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I'm beginning to think there are no eyewitnesses to a missle hitting the pentagon. :-\
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I'm beginning to think there are no eyewitnesses to a missle hitting the pentagon. :-\
There are plenty of youtube vids produced with dramatic music, flawed logic, rhetorical BS, and unsubstantiated claims, made with final cut pro to sway the CT'ers into a condescending frenzy of ignorance.
But once exposed they run like little cowards.
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When you can't argue facts, misdirect the conversation. Bunch a female whiners we got here. ::)
9/11 Debunker Gets His Ass Handed To Him By Richard Gage - 20/07/2009
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You goverment dick riders keep calling us names for just presenting facts, and instead of arguing against them, you just write insults.
For example, how and why did it took 7 years for the goverment to release the report on building 7 but it only took 2 year to come up with the official 9/11 commission report to one of the biggest terrorist attacks on our soil and the biggest failure at all levels of our goverment to prevent such attack?
Building 7, seven years, twin towers 2.
The commission was established on November 27, 2002 (442 days after the attack) and their final report was issued on July 22, 2004. The report was originally scheduled for release on May 27, 2004, but a compromise agreed to by Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert allowed a sixty-day extension through July 26.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Commission_Report
In May 2002, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) issued a report on the collapse based on a preliminary investigation conducted jointly with the Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers under leadership of Dr. W. Gene Corley, P.E. FEMA made preliminary findings that the collapse was not primarily caused by actual impact damage from the collapse of 1 WTC and 2 WTC but by fires on multiple stories ignited by debris from the other two towers that continued burning unabated due to lack of water for sprinklers or manual firefighting. The report did not reach conclusions about the cause of the collapse and called for further investigation.[26]
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When you can't argue facts, misdirect the conversation. Bunch a female whiners we got here. ::)
9/11 Debunker Gets His Ass Handed To Him By Richard Gage - 20/07/2009
That's what you have been doing this whole time. You get exposed and you run like a coward.
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
You are a fraud and a coward. Man up or shut up.
The Failures of the youtube monkey known as M4tad0r who is floating down the river of denial, fantasy, tinfoil hattery.
I am sure chaos and Ropo can cite many more. But here are 3 from the last few pages of this thread:
9/11: Bush Admits “Explosives” Used At World Trade Center (Video)
Start watching at 0:37 seconds for a in your face revelation from non other than our own president. How you like them apples now?
All of you goverment shill defenders are OWNED!!!
Bush in a press conference talking about intel gathered from Khalid and doesn't mention WTC at all, and obviously misreads his speech. But this is hailed by the youtube monkey as "Bush Admits “Explosives” Used At World Trade Center"
He wants the CT to be real so bad, he ignore his intelligence, reading comprehension, and common sense.
He doesn't even bother to read the transcript.
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19 goat shepherds defeated a multi-billion dollar defense system, masterminded by a terrorist hidden in cave of a 3rd world country, and 3 steel skyscrapers came down due to fuel and office fire. The offical truffer report on 9/11!!!
Here he builds on his fantasy starting with "19 goat shepherds" when many of these Terrorists when 10 of the 19 either graduated from College or attended college. Not too many goat shepherds typically have college education in things like civil law and avionics.
Its really sad to see a person having to outright lie to make a point about a tinfoil hat fantasy.
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This one shows his level of desperation to make his fantasy real:
In the aftermath there have been studies done on the WTC's and what happened that day. Its also a very common discussion engineering schools at one point or another.
Other than a few thousand mostly crack pot engineers which represent far less than 1% of the of educated people in the world who know BS pseudoscience, and legitimate engineering science, no one has pointed out with peer reviewed assertions based on hard evidence, not flawed logic, or BS rhetoric, that its was a demolition.
Where? Please give some links to such claims.
Here is a link:
http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-engineers-study-911-lessons-how-help-buildings-withstand-threats (http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-engineers-study-911-lessons-how-help-buildings-withstand-threats)
So where is the study and discussion explaining the the collapse of the twin towers?
Can't understand he's own links.
HAHAHAHAHAHA Ozmo
Still OWNED!!!!
M4tad0r doesn't think a discussion about how the WTC's failed preceded a study and discussion about how to make buildings safer from terrorist attacks from 9/11?
What kind of stupid is this man?
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Surreal Pictures Inside WTC 6 Destroys 9/11 Cover Story For Ever !
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I'm beginning to think there are no eyewitnesses to a missle hitting the pentagon. :-\
Pentagon is the most secure building in the Country, and only 3 frames from 1 camera is what we have?
C'mon use your head.
Do you really think they'd shy from showing something hit the building after we see so many angles of the towers being hit, and people jumping from
windows? The footage is not out there, because they don't want it known or seen... Plain and simple. Surrounding businesses has their security footage confiscated
immediately after the smoke started rising from the Pentagon.
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2 planes (very likely flown via remote) flown into towers.
Missile fired into Pentagon , and in shanksville just a complete shit show of a mess made to look like a downed plane, but a failed attempt. Next, Norad is running a drill near the Canadian border which involve exercises mimicking hijacked planes and the people involved have no idea if they are participating in an exercise by the time the real attacks are made aware to them. Next, we have employees of the WTC who swear by their account that there were many explosions in the sub levels of the towers.when the towers collapse we see demolition squibbs bursting out the side clearly. Buildings collapse and pulverize for the first time in history (in 3 separate modern skyscrapers) on of which was not hit by plane. But you might argue x amount of reasons why all that is not possible, yet the same stories you believe are from the ones who tell you one of the terrorists passports fell to the ground after the plane hit the building in a firey ball...
The greatest lie ever told, to open the door to the middle east. Just look how many regimes the USA was able to topple and how many oil fields they have captured since that date.
This^^^. The whole official story is complete bullshit... I can't believe how many people are just asleep and believe bullshit lies.
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So, basically we have a few getbiggers posting evidence and logic and science.
And a bunch of others saying, "ITS A CONSPIRACY" without proving any evidence, and when asked for evidence, they just say, "Come on, its so obvious."
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So, basically we have a few getbiggers posting evidence and logic and science.
And a bunch of others saying, "ITS A CONSPIRACY" without proving any evidence, and when asked for evidence, they just say, "Come on, its so obvious."
There is such a lack of evidence and THAT is the problem.
Supposedly a plane hit the pentagon (NO DEBRIS)
Supposedlt a plane flew into a field in shanksvill PA, (NO DEBRIS)
That's one side of the argument, and supports the claims of many who suspect we are being lied to. Where's the wreckage associated with a plane crash? How about YOU provide US the evidence for that one.
This plane (flight 93) managed to disintegrate and mulch itself into the soil...
(http://911review.com/errors/phantom/imgs/crater1.jpg)
and another disappearing act:
(http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/lawn3.jpg)
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Pentagon is the most secure building in the Country, and only 3 frames from 1 camera is what we have?
C'mon use your head.
Do you really think they'd shy from showing something hit the building after we see so many angles of the towers being hit, and people jumping from
windows? The footage is not out there, because they don't want it known or seen... Plain and simple. Surrounding businesses has their security footage confiscated
immediately after the smoke started rising from the Pentagon.
I've been saying the same thing. The most secure building on the planet, and one shitty little camera angle is shown from the day that changed history.. How anyone can believe that was the only camera is beyond me... Look at some of the bullshit vids online of the jets hitting the towers.. The nose comes out the other side... How does that happen?? Fake video.. Simple... Flight 93 was shot down.. Arab high jackers with box cutters... What a joke... Got us in a war that we wanted though...
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Wake up and look at other plane crashes.... There is wreckage everywhere... No matter how the plane crashed, nosedive, whatever... There is always debris... Flight 93, none...Pentagon, none...
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(http://scrappybook.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/the-world-trade-center-building-and-the-conspiracy-for-dummies-educate-yourself-1441362326c4p8l.png)
Notice damage to building, lined up with a scaled image of the jetliner.
There are no markings on the building of where the wings would hit (let alone pierce the wall)
No wings or tail sections found on the pentagon lawn... I guess jet fuel did some amazing things on that day.
Also, if you are fortunate enough to know someone in Aviation, ask them how "easy" it is to fly a plane that size just a few feet off the ground full speed.
After they're done explaining to you, tell them they're wearing tin foil hats... that seems to be your #1 fail-safe last resort argument.
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The first time I saw the whole presentation I was blown away.
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There is such a lack of evidence and THAT is the problem.
Supposedly a plane hit the pentagon (NO DEBRIS)
Supposedlt a plane flew into a field in shanksvill PA, (NO DEBRIS)
That's one side of the argument, and supports the claims of many who suspect we are being lied to. Where's the wreckage associated with a plane crash? How about YOU provide US the evidence for that one.
This plane (flight 93) managed to disintegrate and mulch itself into the soil...
(http://911review.com/errors/phantom/imgs/crater1.jpg)
and another disappearing act:
(http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/lawn3.jpg)
I don't have to provide evidence. I am not the one making a claim. That is the way science works. If you make a claim, you have to substantiate it. You never have to prove a negative. I know, I know, basic critical skills elude you. People in this thread are making the CLAIM that 9-11 was a conspiracy. Thus, the burden of proof falls on THEM to present the evidence. I will look at the evidence and either accept or reject it.
Think of it this way: If a scientist says he has found a cure for cancer, its his job to provide evidence of the cure. Its NOT another scientists job to provide evidence against the cure. Thus, it is not my job to provide evidence against the idea that its a conspiracy. Its the job of the people who are making the claim to provide evidence that its a conspiracy.
Welcome to Logic 101.
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I don't have to provide evidence. I am not the one making a claim. That is the way science works. If you make a claim, you have to substantiate it. You never have to prove a negative. I know, I know, basic critical skills elude you. People in this thread are making the CLAIM that 9-11 was a conspiracy. Thus, the burden of proof falls on THEM to present the evidence. I will look at the evidence and either accept or reject it.
Think of it this way: If a scientist says he has found a cure for cancer, its his job to provide evidence of the cure. Its NOT another scientists job to provide evidence against the cure. Thus, it is not my job to provide evidence against the idea that its a conspiracy. Its the job of the people who are making the claim to provide evidence that its a conspiracy.
Welcome to Logic 101.
WTF??? What evidence have you provided? Is this real? Is he for real?
We are presenting the evidences, where are yours?
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I don't have to provide evidence. I am not the one making a claim. That is the way science works. If you make a claim, you have to substantiate it. You never have to prove a negative. I know, I know, basic critical skills elude you. People in this thread are making the CLAIM that 9-11 was a conspiracy. Thus, the burden of proof falls on THEM to present the evidence. I will look at the evidence and either accept or reject it.
Think of it this way: If a scientist says he has found a cure for cancer, its his job to provide evidence of the cure. Its NOT another scientists job to provide evidence against the cure. Thus, it is not my job to provide evidence against the idea that its a conspiracy. Its the job of the people who are making the claim to provide evidence that its a conspiracy.
Welcome to Logic 101.
Wrong. The claim that these attacks happened, in the way they are said to have happened, cannot be substantiated because of all the flaws in the story, and lack of evidence. My claim is that the evidence is NOT there, i can't make something appear when my argument is that is ISN'T THERE in the first place.
In using your cancer analogy, it would be the equivalent of you going to the hospital, coming out, and saying you had cancer but now are cured. You're blood work shows that you are in fact now cured, but there isn't a shred of evidence showing the cancer was ever there to begin with.
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WTF??? What evidence have you provided? Is this real? Is he for real?
We are presenting the evidences, where are yours?
I am not making any claims. I am merely evaluating the evidence. Why would I provide evidence if I am not making any claims? ??? ??? What exactly am I going to provide evidence for if I never made a specific claim? ??? ???
Yes, your presenting evidence, just not good evidence, unfortunately. :-\ :-\
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Wrong. The claim that these attacks happened, in the way they are said to have happened, cannot be substantiated because of all the flaws in the story, and lack of evidence. My claim is that the evidence is NOT there, i can't make something appear when my argument is that is ISN'T THERE in the first place.
In using your cancer analogy, it would be the equivalent of you going to the hospital, coming out, and saying you had cancer but now are cured. You're blood work shows that you are in fact now cured, but there isn't a shred of evidence showing the cancer was ever there to begin with.
Couldn't say it better myself.
Present arguments by incompetent goverment workers that cannot be substantiated. Government dick riders logic 101.
It's clear now.
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Wrong. The claim that these attacks happened, in the way they are said to have happened, cannot be substantiated because of all the flaws in the story, and lack of evidence. My claim is that the evidence is NOT there, i can't make something appear when my argument is that is ISN'T THERE in the first place.
In using your cancer analogy, it would be the equivalent of you going to the hospital, coming out, and saying you had cancer but now are cured. You're blood work shows that you are in fact now cured, but there isn't a shred of evidence showing the cancer was ever there to begin with.
But I never made any claims about anything. I never specifically said that the attacks were 100% from terrorists, nor did I say they were the work of the American govt. As such, I do not have to provide any evidence, since I never made a claim. I am merely evaluating the evidence. Youre making the claim that it is the work of the government, thus it is your job to provide that evidence. Sure, youre starting that there is not enough evidence, but youre taking it a step further and making your own claim, which you have to demonstrate. I have not made any direct claims..............yet.
There is more evidence that the terrorist attacks happened by terrorists, than did not. Yet, you have not provided sufficient evidence to counteract these claims. I do not see any of this to be "mind blowing" evidence. Its really poor evidence at best.
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I don't have to provide evidence. I am not the one making a claim. That is the way science works. If you make a claim, you have to substantiate it. You never have to prove a negative. I know, I know, basic critical skills elude you. People in this thread are making the CLAIM that 9-11 was a conspiracy. Thus, the burden of proof falls on THEM to present the evidence. I will look at the evidence and either accept or reject it.
Think of it this way: If a scientist says he has found a cure for cancer, its his job to provide evidence of the cure. Its NOT another scientists job to provide evidence against the cure. Thus, it is not my job to provide evidence against the idea that its a conspiracy. Its the job of the people who are making the claim to provide evidence that its a conspiracy.
Welcome to Logic 101.
In the picture above, where are the engines, and the black box? Simple question, what's your answer and what was the official answer to such question?
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Couldn't say it better myself.
Present arguments that cannot be substantiated by incompetent goverment workers. Government dick riders logic 101.
It's clear now.
And, yet, all your evidence is absolute garbage and does not prove that it was a government conspiracy. Good try. :D :D :D
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When you can't argue facts, misdirect the conversation. ::)
9/11 Debunker Gets His Ass Handed To Him By Richard Gage - 20/07/2009
Government dick riders logic 101.
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In the picture above, where are the engines, and the black box? Simple question, what's your answer and what was the official answer to such question?
Again, Ive made no claims for either side. I am merely evaluating the evidence that you put forward.
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And, yet, all your evidence is absolute garbage and does not prove that it was a government conspiracy. Good try. :D :D :D
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The Troll game is strong with this one :D
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Pentagon is the most secure building in the Country, and only 3 frames from 1 camera is what we have?
C'mon use your head.
Do you really think they'd shy from showing something hit the building after we see so many angles of the towers being hit, and people jumping from
windows? The footage is not out there, because they don't want it known or seen... Plain and simple. Surrounding businesses has their security footage confiscated
immediately after the smoke started rising from the Pentagon.
What about the people? Missles need to fly in the air correct? Right over the general publics head? Where are the people that say they saw a missle flying overhead? All I see is videos of people saying they saw a plane.
C'mon use your head.
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What jury have revised what happened on 9/11? We don't want the answer to go our way. It's just the event's that 9/11 unleashed is still going today, do you understand? We keep toppling governments in the middle east, we shown you live testimony of General Wesly Clark who run for president, telling us they had already design plans to topple Muslims goverments way back in 2002.
During the presidential debates, the nominees are telling us there is no money for college while the USA has spent trillions of dollars on War of aggression and keeps spending billions on arming terrorist in the Middle East.
We have a massive surveillance system spying on all citizens almost as bad as what you Brits have in England. We don't have cameras in every corner in the cities like you guys do, yet.
So excuse us if we look a little paranoid on this side of the pond.
you will be glad of those cameras when you get jumped by a herd of Hebrews.
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There is such a lack of evidence and THAT is the problem.
Supposedly a plane hit the pentagon (NO DEBRIS)
Supposedlt a plane flew into a field in shanksvill PA, (NO DEBRIS)
That's one side of the argument, and supports the claims of many who suspect we are being lied to. Where's the wreckage associated with a plane crash? How about YOU provide US the evidence for that one.
This plane (flight 93) managed to disintegrate and mulch itself into the soil...
(http://911review.com/errors/phantom/imgs/crater1.jpg)
and another disappearing act:
(http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/lawn3.jpg)
a lack of evidence isn't evidence.
Jeez, this is basic stuff.
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you will be glad of those cameras when you get jumped by a herd of Hebrews.
We are free thinking American people. I do not need cameras to defend me from a herd of Hebrews, lol. That's why we have the 2nd amendment still, conceal carry permit, and open carry on some states, and the police, they love them Hebrews.
How long before the Muslims take over there? Here's a nice article I just found about the first Muslim mayor. Hahaha.
London mayor election results: Sadiq Khan becomes first Muslim mayor
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/06/london-mayoral-election-results-what-time-will-the-votes-be-coun/#
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From an excellent (but very long) USAToday article about the WTC elevators.
Fire moved not only up and down but also side to side, from shaft to shaft, unleashing explosions in elevator lobbies and in restrooms next to the shafts.
It's estimated that 200+ people died on the elevators that day, making it the worst elevator catastrophe in history. An interesting aside: nearly all elevators quickly malfunctioned, and did not perform to the expected emergency standards. There were more than 80 elevator mechanics at the WTC on 9/11, and they chose to exit the building rather than attempt assistance for trapped users.
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Let me explain one little thing to you. What ever I have write about the subject, I have done all the research about it while writing.
No. You're slipping, badly. In case you missed it (which you clearly did), there's nothing to say Bush was referring to the WTC in that video, except for his reference to planes hitting "high buildings". No way you would have made the comments about it that you did, had you realized that.
And as for explosions, let me clue you in on what it means to take the stand you're trying to hold. You now need to explain a force which was so great, that it blasted through metal doors and demolished concrete walls. If that wasn't caused by energy from ignited fuel (as I say): then what do you claim it was? It wasn't from "heavy things" falling down the elevator shafts, as you've said.
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GENIUS CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN EXPLAINS WITH FACTS WHY AND HOW ISRAEL DID 9-11
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Ken OKeefe Exposes 9-11-01 in 2016
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The greatest lie to the American public ever, in order to get the Nation to back a series of wars, give up their security and liberties, and the rest is history.
Since that day the US is still at war. Americans are treated like criminals in their own airports. The NSA has the ability to see anyone and everyone's private info thanks to technology. Last but not least there's a scapegoat to make it all plausible...al quaeda. Well that one got old, so now it's ISIS. It feels like pro wrestling, where the heels (bad guy gimmicks) are scripted overnight and you guys buy it up.
Like I said before, if you can honestly watch a documentary like loose change, or zeitgeist and can't question anything about these events, there is a problem with you. If you were less than 13-14 years of age when this happened (2001) let alone born, you need to shut the fuck up on this issue. There can be kids online or wherever, who are teenagers now, but weren't born when this happened. You simply do not understand the magnitude of what these events changed in modern history. The life we all live in now in north America is shifted and affected by this. And so you can imagine the reality of a government staging an attack on its own soil, making it look like it was an "enemy" and killing many in the process is a pretty big deal. People grew soft. This is the type of thing that could get the public to back the country into war. Nothing less would suffice. I agree it's a serious matter and everyone should stand on the side of justice, the only problem is you were (we were all) lied to about that day.
Why a government chooses to "classify" documents and then release them to the public 30-40 years later is insane. Case in point operation northwoods in the 1960's . You can see that way back then, the US had no problem provoking an attack on Cuba based on a false flag. Look back at how Hitler gained power after the Reichstag building burned down. Its nothing new, history repeats itself, but idiots everywhere are too stupid to see for themselves.
Those who don't learn from history are damned to repeat it.
Some good points.
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Lol, I really have to say this is one of the most interesting threads I've ever seen.
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DIRTY ROTTEN HASBARA!!! :o
Sounds a lot like Ropo's tactics.
Hasbara Trolls are generally quite polite at first. They pop up when someone is critical of Israel and it’s policies or interests. They target, write, engage, educate and insult.
Hasbara Troll attributes
Supreme point of view
The Hasbara troll knows best
Condescending & Patronising
Socialist (Smart and ‘caring’)
Do not have to be Jewish but Pro-Israel
Internet experts
Narcissistic
Provocative
Dis-ruptive
Like to ask the questions, not answer questions
Control freaks
Inflamed by anyone being critical of Israel
‘Moral’ Guardians
Classic insults: Anti-semite, Neo- Nazi, White Supremacist, Holocaust denier
Adept with social networks well trained on IT
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We are free thinking American people. I do not need cameras to defend me from a herd of Hebrews, lol. That's why we have the 2nd amendment still, conceal carry permit, and open carry on some states, and the police, they love them Hebrews.
How long before the Muslims take over there? Here's a nice article I just found about the first Muslim mayor. Hahaha.
London mayor election results: Sadiq Khan becomes first Muslim mayor
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/06/london-mayoral-election-results-what-time-will-the-votes-be-coun/#
and 9/11 was to spy on you via the internet?
Fuck me, and they still let you have guns?
Dont you think in the grand scheme of things if they wanted control the first thing they would do is disarm you?
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and 9/11 was to spy on you via the internet?
Fuck me, and they still let you have guns?
Dont you think in the grand scheme of things if they wanted control the first thing they would do is disarm you?
Sandy Hook. Sounds familiar? Was an incident where they used to push gun control.
Sandy Hook: one year on, campaigners prepare for new push on gun control
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/13/sandy-hook-campaigners-push-gun-control
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There is such a lack of evidence and THAT is the problem.
Supposedly a plane hit the pentagon (NO DEBRIS)
Supposedlt a plane flew into a field in shanksvill PA, (NO DEBRIS)
That's one side of the argument, and supports the claims of many who suspect we are being lied to. Where's the wreckage associated with a plane crash? How about YOU provide US the evidence for that one.
This plane (flight 93) managed to disintegrate and mulch itself into the soil...
(http://911review.com/errors/phantom/imgs/crater1.jpg)
and another disappearing act:
(http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/lawn3.jpg)
Wrong again. almost all of it.
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The Troll game is strong with this one :D
No trolling, What i see are cowards. who make claims that are shown to be false and they hide.
You are one of them.
And now you crying "trolling" like some little whiny bitch.
Man up.
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Wrong again. almost all of it.
When you can't argue facts, misdirect the conversation. ::)
9/11 Debunker Gets His Ass Handed To Him By Richard Gage - 20/07/2009
Government dick riders logic 101.
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When you can't argue facts, misdirect the conversation. ::)
9/11 Debunker Gets His Ass Handed To Him By Richard Gage - 20/07/2009
Government dick riders logic 101.
I have blasted your cowardly dumbass already.
Man the fuck up bitch.
When you can't argue facts, misdirect the conversation. Bunch a female whiners we got here. ::)
9/11 Debunker Gets His Ass Handed To Him By Richard Gage - 20/07/2009
That's what you have been doing this whole time. You get exposed and you run like a coward.
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
You are a fraud and a coward. Man up or shut up.
The Failures of the youtube monkey known as M4tad0r who is floating down the river of denial, fantasy, tinfoil hattery.
I am sure chaos and Ropo can cite many more. But here are 3 from the last few pages of this thread:
9/11: Bush Admits “Explosives” Used At World Trade Center (Video)
Start watching at 0:37 seconds for a in your face revelation from non other than our own president. How you like them apples now?
All of you goverment shill defenders are OWNED!!!
Bush in a press conference talking about intel gathered from Khalid and doesn't mention WTC at all, and obviously misreads his speech. But this is hailed by the youtube monkey as "Bush Admits “Explosives” Used At World Trade Center"
He wants the CT to be real so bad, he ignore his intelligence, reading comprehension, and common sense.
He doesn't even bother to read the transcript.
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19 goat shepherds defeated a multi-billion dollar defense system, masterminded by a terrorist hidden in cave of a 3rd world country, and 3 steel skyscrapers came down due to fuel and office fire. The offical truffer report on 9/11!!!
Here he builds on his fantasy starting with "19 goat shepherds" when many of these Terrorists when 10 of the 19 either graduated from College or attended college. Not too many goat shepherds typically have college education in things like civil law and avionics.
Its really sad to see a person having to outright lie to make a point about a tinfoil hat fantasy.
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This one shows his level of desperation to make his fantasy real:
In the aftermath there have been studies done on the WTC's and what happened that day. Its also a very common discussion engineering schools at one point or another.
Other than a few thousand mostly crack pot engineers which represent far less than 1% of the of educated people in the world who know BS pseudoscience, and legitimate engineering science, no one has pointed out with peer reviewed assertions based on hard evidence, not flawed logic, or BS rhetoric, that its was a demolition.
Where? Please give some links to such claims.
Here is a link:
http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-engineers-study-911-lessons-how-help-buildings-withstand-threats (http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-engineers-study-911-lessons-how-help-buildings-withstand-threats)
So where is the study and discussion explaining the the collapse of the twin towers?
Can't understand he's own links.
HAHAHAHAHAHA Ozmo
Still OWNED!!!!
M4tad0r doesn't think a discussion about how the WTC's failed preceded a study and discussion about how to make buildings safer from terrorist attacks from 9/11?
What kind of stupid is this man?
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Solving 9/11 2016 with Christopher Bollyn- Hagerstown MD Jan 28, 2016
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Its a sad state of affairs that you CTer's are so cowardly you can't back up you bull shit when its called out and exposed.
You people are pathetic.
Collosus_1986
M4tad0r
lilhawk1
Brink
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Its a sad state of affairs that you CTer's are so cowardly you can't back up you bull shit when its called out and exposed.
You people are pathetic.
Collosus_1986
M4tad0r
lilhawk1
Brink
WTF??? What evidence have you provided? Is this real? Is he for real?
Goverment dick riders logic 101. ::)
We are presenting the evidences, where are yours?
You forgot Vegas.
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Apples and Oranges. Just because Hillsborough was cover up doesn't 9/11 was
1, No it doesn't mean it also is a cover up, Then again it May Just be.
Though there are many dissenting knowledgable people.
No, because there are many other far more plausible reasons to keep some of what happened that day classified. And your exaggeration and hyperbole is typical of the ignorance of CT'ers. There aren't any smoking guns, and there isn't a legitimate charge that has been verified by CT'ers in 15 years.
2, Far more Plausible reasons --- Really -- And They Might Be.
Exaggeration & Hyperbole ::) ooh yes.
It appears to be You That's Getting Over Excited.
This statement shows just how uneducated you are about how america's defense systems works.
You couldn't be more wrong.[/b][/u][/size]
I cannot stress the above sentence more.
3, Uneducated Ref The American Defence System How it Works or Rather Didn't -- Yes I am.
That does not change the Fact that according to the official story -- A Bunch of Terrorists managed to Embarrass America -- And Your Defence System Either Allowed it / Or Just Plain Couldn't Stop it.
And No I Don't Include the 1st 2planes to hit the Twin Towers.
Like it or not -- Had it Been Russia / China Behind them attacks & Had There Been a lot more of them,
America Would of Suffered Very Badly -- Not That It Didn't AnyWay.
Really do try & Keep calmer it's not good for your blood pressure.
I have no agenda as to what took place that day, I look & listen to both sides & am yet to be
Convinced by either.
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WTF??? What evidence have you provided? Is this real? Is he for real?
Goverment dick riders logic 101. ::)
We are presenting the evidences, where are yours?
You forgot Vegas.
No, LV doesn't run.
and you haven't presented shit, other than BS youtube vids, and then you have ran away from everything i have thrown back in your face.
In case you forgot:
When you can't argue facts, misdirect the conversation. Bunch a female whiners we got here. ::)
9/11 Debunker Gets His Ass Handed To Him By Richard Gage - 20/07/2009
That's what you have been doing this whole time. You get exposed and you run like a coward.
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
You are a fraud and a coward. Man up or shut up.
The Failures of the youtube monkey known as M4tad0r who is floating down the river of denial, fantasy, tinfoil hattery.
I am sure chaos and Ropo can cite many more. But here are 3 from the last few pages of this thread:
9/11: Bush Admits “Explosives” Used At World Trade Center (Video)
Start watching at 0:37 seconds for a in your face revelation from non other than our own president. How you like them apples now?
All of you goverment shill defenders are OWNED!!!
Bush in a press conference talking about intel gathered from Khalid and doesn't mention WTC at all, and obviously misreads his speech. But this is hailed by the youtube monkey as "Bush Admits “Explosives” Used At World Trade Center"
He wants the CT to be real so bad, he ignore his intelligence, reading comprehension, and common sense.
He doesn't even bother to read the transcript.
________________________ ________________________ ___________________
19 goat shepherds defeated a multi-billion dollar defense system, masterminded by a terrorist hidden in cave of a 3rd world country, and 3 steel skyscrapers came down due to fuel and office fire. The offical truffer report on 9/11!!!
Here he builds on his fantasy starting with "19 goat shepherds" when many of these Terrorists when 10 of the 19 either graduated from College or attended college. Not too many goat shepherds typically have college education in things like civil law and avionics.
Its really sad to see a person having to outright lie to make a point about a tinfoil hat fantasy.
________________________ ________________________ ___________________
This one shows his level of desperation to make his fantasy real:
In the aftermath there have been studies done on the WTC's and what happened that day. Its also a very common discussion engineering schools at one point or another.
Other than a few thousand mostly crack pot engineers which represent far less than 1% of the of educated people in the world who know BS pseudoscience, and legitimate engineering science, no one has pointed out with peer reviewed assertions based on hard evidence, not flawed logic, or BS rhetoric, that its was a demolition.
Where? Please give some links to such claims.
Here is a link:
http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-engineers-study-911-lessons-how-help-buildings-withstand-threats (http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-engineers-study-911-lessons-how-help-buildings-withstand-threats)
So where is the study and discussion explaining the the collapse of the twin towers?
Can't understand he's own links.
HAHAHAHAHAHA Ozmo
Still OWNED!!!!
M4tad0r doesn't think a discussion about how the WTC's failed preceded a study and discussion about how to make buildings safer from terrorist attacks from 9/11?
What kind of stupid is this man?
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illuminati,
Apples and Oranges. Just because Hillsborough was cover up doesn't 9/11 was
1, No it doesn't mean it also is a cover up, Then again it May Just be.
Though there are many dissenting knowledgable people.
No, because there are many other far more plausible reasons to keep some of what happened that day classified. And your exaggeration and hyperbole is typical of the ignorance of CT'ers. There aren't any smoking guns, and there isn't a legitimate charge that has been verified by CT'ers in 15 years.
2, Far more Plausible reasons --- Really -- And They Might Be.
Exaggeration & Hyperbole ::) ooh yes.
It appears to be You That's Getting Over Excited.
This statement shows just how uneducated you are about how america's defense systems works.
You couldn't be more wrong.[/b][/u][/size]
I cannot stress the above sentence more.
3, Uneducated Ref The American Defence System How it Works or Rather Didn't -- Yes I am.
That does not change the Fact that according to the official story -- A Bunch of Terrorists managed to Embarrass America -- And Your Defence System Either Allowed it / Or Just Plain Couldn't Stop it.
And No I Don't Include the 1st 2planes to hit the Twin Towers.
Like it or not -- Had it Been Russia / China Behind them attacks & Had There Been a lot more of them,
America Would of Suffered Very Badly -- Not That It Didn't AnyWay.
Really do try & Keep calmer it's not good for your blood pressure.
I have no agenda as to what took place that day, I look & listen to both sides & am yet to be
Convinced by either.
Dude can you learn how to use the quote, unquote tags?
I will try and piece out this one:
3, Uneducated Ref The American Defence System How it Works or Rather Didn't -- Yes I am.
That does not change the Fact that according to the official story -- A Bunch of Terrorists managed to Embarrass America -- And Your Defence System Either Allowed it / Or Just Plain Couldn't Stop it.
And No I Don't Include the 1st 2planes to hit the Twin Towers.
Like it or not -- Had it Been Russia / China Behind them attacks & Had There Been a lot more of them,
America Would of Suffered Very Badly -- Not That It Didn't AnyWay.
This what you said:
Thank Fcuk it wasn't Russia or China launching a Stealth Attack on America That Day
Chances are you'd be speaking another language now.
This totally shows you have no idea how the defense system worked then.
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Lol, I really have to say this is one of the most interesting threads I've ever seen.
Its fun, tedious at times. but fun.
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Its fun, tedious at times. but fun.
Thinking you'are winning. ::) Government dick riding logic 101
Sean Stone and Christopher Bollyn on 9 11, Israel & the Mossad
http://www.bollyn.com/public/Solving_9-11_-_The_Deception_That_Changed_The_World.pdf
Maybe you would learn something!!!
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Its fun, tedious at times. but fun.
You need to do some research. Answer this smart guy:
Why we're thermite and nano-thermite found in the debris at WTC?
Why did all 3 WTC buildings fall at near free fall speed, and actually accelerate as they fell?
Why did Silverstein say they pulled WTC 7? That's an admission it was demolished correct?
Why only one shitty camera angle of the Pentagon, the most protected building on earth?
Why did the FBI confiscate all security camera footage from businesses surrounding the Pentagon within minutes?
Why did George Bush say in an interview he saw the first plane hit the tower, when he was sitting in a classroom at the time? He knew what was to happen that day that's why.
Why could our military not intercept a single jet that day when they had done so dozens of times that year?
Why no wreckage at Pentagon?
Why no wreckage at Shanksville?
Why did Rumsfeld slip up and say in an interview that a missile hit the Pentagon?
Why was the WTC debris rapidly sent to China? Was it not a crime scene?
Why so little time and money spent on the investigation of the event that changed our world?
Why so many reports of explosions at WTC?
Why were there demolition squibs on the floors below the collapsing towers?
Why so much dust if no explosives were used?
Read, do some research, I've listed off at least 2 books.. Why not read them? The facts are all laid out. Interviews with military, flight controllers, pilots, engineers, architects, etc. instead you provide no evidence except the bullshit investigation, and resort to name calling. Grow up.
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illuminati,
Dude can you learn how to use the quote, unquote tags?
I will try and piece out this one:
This what you said:
This totally shows you have no idea how the defense system worked then.
Why don't you learn a few things also.
Starting with knowing when you have lost an argument.
You try very hard to portray yourself as Some kind of Interlectual / Expert
Clearly You Are Far From Either.
You may not like my posting / Reply Style - It was not very hard to follow.
Yet another 'Legend in his Own Mind' Who we're Better Off Ignoring.
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You need to do some research. Answer this smart guy:
Why we're thermite and nano-thermite found in the debris at WTC?
Why did all 3 WTC buildings fall at near free fall speed, and actually accelerate as they fell?
Why did Silverstein say they pulled WTC 7? That's an admission it was demolished correct?
Why only one shitty camera angle of the Pentagon, the most protected building on earth?
Why did the FBI confiscate all security camera footage from businesses surrounding the Pentagon within minutes?
Why did George Bush say in an interview he saw the first plane hit the tower, when he was sitting in a classroom at the time? He knew what was to happen that day that's why.
Why could our military not intercept a single jet that day when they had done so dozens of times that year?
Why no wreckage at Pentagon?
Why no wreckage at Shanksville?
Why did Rumsfeld slip up and say in an interview that a missile hit the Pentagon?
Why was the WTC debris rapidly sent to China? Was it not a crime scene?
Why so little time and money spent on the investigation of the event that changed our world?
Why so many reports of explosions at WTC?
Why were there demolition squibs on the floors below the collapsing towers?
Why so much dust if no explosives were used?
Read, do some research, I've listed off at least 2 books.. Why not read them? The facts are all laid out. Interviews with military, flight controllers, pilots, engineers, architects, etc. instead you provide no evidence except the bullshit investigation, and resort to name calling. Grow up.
At first glance all the stuff you wrote their not true.
I have been debunking 9/11 off and on for the last 9 years. Chances are I have done far more actual research than you. I have done independent research, and interviewed people who have expertise in fields related to 9/11.
I started out believing there might have been a CT here. It didn't take long. There is nothing even remotely credible to substantiate 9/11 truffer arguments.
So don't carried away thinking i haven't done any research.
I call people names because when i show them to be 100% wrong they run like bitches.
Exmaple: the youtube monkey
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
Are you gonna run too?
Pic any part of it you want. We could do easy ones like no wreckage at the pentagon or harder ones like the thermite argument. Commit that you will stay on the part you pick until the bitter end and i will go round and round with as long as you like.
But understand this, the burden of proof is on you, the accuser. Because the case has been made and main stream science agrees.
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Why don't you learn a few things also.
Starting with knowing when you have lost an argument.
You try very hard to portray yourself as Some kind of Interlectual / Expert
Clearly You Are Far From Either.
You may not like my posting / Reply Style - It was not very hard to follow.
Yet another 'Legend in his Own Mind' Who we're Better Off Ignoring.
There is nothing for me to learn here.
You are ignorant when you say:
Thank Fcuk it wasn't Russia or China launching a Stealth Attack on America That Day
Chances are you'd be speaking another language now.
It shows you have no fucking idea what you are talking about when you say this.
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There is nothing for me to learn here.
You are ignorant when you say:
It shows you have no fucking idea what you are talking about when you say this.
Go away -- You Silly Little Man.
You Have Gone Past Your Sell By Date.
'Expert & Legend In Your Own Mind'
I will Treat You With The Contempt You Desrve From Now On.
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At first glance all the stuff you wrote their not true.
I have been debunking 9/11 off and on for the last 9 years. Chances are I have done far more actual research than you. I have done independent research, and interviewed people who have expertise in fields related to 9/11.
I started out believing there might have been a CT here. It didn't take long. There is nothing even remotely credible to substantiate 9/11 truffer arguments.
So don't carried away thinking i haven't done any research.
I call people names because when i show them to be 100% wrong they run like bitches.
Exmaple: the youtube monkey
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
Are you gonna run too?
Pic any part of it you want. We could do easy ones like no wreckage at the pentagon or harder ones like the thermite argument. Commit that you will stay on the part you pick until the bitter end and i will go round and round with as long as you like.
But understand this, the burden of proof is on you, the accuser. Because the case has been made and main stream science agrees.
the randi forums have disproved over and over the conspiracy nonsense
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Go away -- You Silly Little Man.
You Have Gone Past Your Sell By Date.
'Expert & Legend In Your Own Mind'
I will Treat You With The Contempt You Desrve From Now On.
Just ignore him, is the best recourse, he's so stupid that he could not understand that the reference to the 19 goat shepherds was a metaphor and I was just trolling him.
What kind of Saudi radical Muslim goat shepherd would have come to Florida to get drunk, hang out with strippers and snort coke. ;D ;)
"I have been debunking 9/11 off and on for the last 9 years. Chances are I have done far more actual research than you. I have done independent research, and interviewed people who have expertise in fields related to 9/11."
OZMO 'Expert & Legend In Your Own Mind' when he can't argue with facts, misdirects the conversation.
Government dick rider's logic 101 ::)
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Sooo, can't provide one single shred of evidence or witness to a missle hitting the pentagon but I'm supposed to believe it cause a few weirdos say so ???
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Who's arguing about a missile?
What ever happened to the engines of the plane? or it's black box?
Many questions, not that many answers.
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Go away -- You Silly Little Man.
You Have Gone Past Your Sell By Date.
'Expert & Legend In Your Own Mind'
I will Treat You With The Contempt You Desrve From Now On.
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You can't back up what you say?
What are you afraid of?
I guess i will add you to the list of ignorant cowards.
Pathetic. lol
Point is, you have no idea how the air defense worked back then and all you can do run like little bitch.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Just ignore him, is the best recourse, he's so stupid that he could not understand that the reference to the 19 goat shepherds was a metaphor and I was just trolling him.
What kind of Saudi radical Muslim goat shepherd would have come to Florida to get drunk, hang out with strippers and snort coke.
"I have been debunking 9/11 off and on for the last 9 years. Chances are I have done far more actual research than you. I have done independent research, and interviewed people who have expertise in fields related to 9/11."
OZMO 'Expert & Legend In Your Own Mind' when he can't argue with facts, misdirects the conversation.
Government dick rider's logic 101 ::)
HAHAHAH COWARD!
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
You are a fraud and a coward. Man up or shut up.
The Failures of the youtube monkey known as M4tad0r who is floating down the river of denial, fantasy, tinfoil hattery.
I am sure chaos and Ropo can cite many more. But here are 3 from the last few pages of this thread:
9/11: Bush Admits “Explosives” Used At World Trade Center (Video)
Start watching at 0:37 seconds for a in your face revelation from non other than our own president. How you like them apples now?
All of you goverment shill defenders are OWNED!!!
Bush in a press conference talking about intel gathered from Khalid and doesn't mention WTC at all, and obviously misreads his speech. But this is hailed by the youtube monkey as "Bush Admits “Explosives” Used At World Trade Center"
He wants the CT to be real so bad, he ignore his intelligence, reading comprehension, and common sense.
He doesn't even bother to read the transcript.
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19 goat shepherds defeated a multi-billion dollar defense system, masterminded by a terrorist hidden in cave of a 3rd world country, and 3 steel skyscrapers came down due to fuel and office fire. The offical truffer report on 9/11!!!
Here he builds on his fantasy starting with "19 goat shepherds" when many of these Terrorists when 10 of the 19 either graduated from College or attended college. Not too many goat shepherds typically have college education in things like civil law and avionics.
Its really sad to see a person having to outright lie to make a point about a tinfoil hat fantasy.
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This one shows his level of desperation to make his fantasy real:
In the aftermath there have been studies done on the WTC's and what happened that day. Its also a very common discussion engineering schools at one point or another.
Other than a few thousand mostly crack pot engineers which represent far less than 1% of the of educated people in the world who know BS pseudoscience, and legitimate engineering science, no one has pointed out with peer reviewed assertions based on hard evidence, not flawed logic, or BS rhetoric, that its was a demolition.
Where? Please give some links to such claims.
Here is a link:
http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-engineers-study-911-lessons-how-help-buildings-withstand-threats (http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-engineers-study-911-lessons-how-help-buildings-withstand-threats)
So where is the study and discussion explaining the the collapse of the twin towers?
Can't understand he's own links.
HAHAHAHAHAHA Ozmo
Still OWNED!!!!
M4tad0r doesn't think a discussion about how the WTC's failed preceded a study and discussion about how to make buildings safer from terrorist attacks from 9/11?
What kind of stupid is this man?
(http://www.vote29.com/newmyblog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/bitch-slap-the-article-large.jpg)
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How To Destroy a 9/11 Truther
Goverment dick riders manual 101 ;D
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Do I have to post the picture of plane debris in front of the pentagon again?
(http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/debrisHR.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Flight_77_wreckage_at_Pentagon.jpg)
but I need to use my head right? it was clearly planted. ::)
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That's the best you can do? HAHAHAHAHHHA
A tiny scrap metal? Then,
Where are the tires?
Where are the engines?
What ever happened to the black box?
Here is a link to pictures of parts of the planes that hit the twin towers, do you get it? part of the plane found that hit the Twin Towers.
https://www.google.com/search?q=9/11+plane+part+found&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=993&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiB-7_PncjMAhXFax4KHUhhDeQQ_AUIBygC&dpr=1
Just remember, when confronted with facts, according to the Government dick rider's manual, all you got to respond is: Coincidence!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH
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That's the best you can do? HAHAHAHAHHHA
A tiny scrap metal? Then,
Where are the tires?
Where are the engines?
What ever happened to the black box?
Just remember, when confronted with facts, according to the Government dick rider's manual, all you got to respond is: Coincidence!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c31/scoobadler/Debris_guys_zps0ab4cabe.jpg)
lots of debris in this shot.
looks like they are picking it up as quickly as possible..... OR ARE THEY PLANTING IT?!?!?!?!?!?!?! I'M OWNING MYSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Where are the tires?
Where are the engines?
What happened to the black box? ;D
or it's all coincidence? ::)
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there is a landing gear
(http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/pentagon/pentagon-wheel-01.jpg)
(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/9-11_images/image009.jpg)
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piece of plane hanging from the ceiling inside the pentagon...
(http://www.rense.com/general32/InteriorDamage5.jpg)
clearly planted 8)
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(http://911myths.com/assets/images/db_images/db_Pentagon_Debris_121.jpg)
planting more evidence
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there is a landing gear
(http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/pentagon/pentagon-wheel-01.jpg)
(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/9-11_images/image009.jpg)
Good, we are getting somewhere now, and the engines and the black box?
By the way where was that picture taken from?
Was the landing gear inside the plane or out ready for landing when the plane crashed? Seriously. Did any of the eye witnesses that saw the plane could recollect such thing?
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Good, we are getting somewhere now, and the engines and the black box?
By the way where was that picture taken from?
taken from a camera, I believe.
will get my people on it to confirm
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piece of plane hanging from the ceiling inside the pentagon...
(http://www.rense.com/general32/InteriorDamage5.jpg)
clearly planted 8)
Very good, I see now, I'm getting it now, what about the rest of the plane, you know, seats, humans, engines, and the crucial part, what ever happened to the black box?
How is the black box designed?
To protect the stack of memory boards that store information, black boxes are wrapped in a thin layer of aluminum and a 1-inch layer of high-temperature insulation, and then encased in a corrosion-resistant stainless steel or titanium shell.
The black box must be able to withstand an acceleration of 3,400 Gs (3,400 times the force of gravity), which equals an impact velocity of about 310 mph. It must also survive flames up to 2,000 degrees F for one hour, and the beacon should be able to emit a signal once per second while submersed in 20,000 feet of saltwater for 30 days.
The beacon cannot be heard by the human ear but can be easily detected by sonar. The beacon is battery-powered, with a shelf life of up to six years.
What would it take to destroy a black box?
"It is extremely rare for a black box to be destroyed," says Hamilton. "Black boxes have traditionally outperformed their design."
Hamilton says he cannot think of a single case in which both devices have been damaged to the point of there being no useful data.
"It would take a concentrated fire beyond its design strength, or an impact so high that it would be beyond what it could withstand."
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/03/11/289189214/what-would-it-take-to-destroy-a-black-box
Except on 9/11 that is. All 4 planes. Coincidence!!!
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taken from a camera, I believe.
will get my people on it to confirm
Where, not from what. Good reading and comprehension skills I see.
By the way try to prove that the picture belongs to the crash in the Pentagon, I will be waiting.
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You owned me man.
God I am so owned.
I'll never recover.
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You owned me man.
God I am so owned.
I'll never recover.
Jokes aside, was the landing gear inside the plane or out ready for landing when the plane crashed? Seriously. Did any of the eye witnesses that saw the plane could recollect such thing?
I think it would help you here.
Ozmo, Ropo, I need you guys to clarify it for me. Please!!!
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Matador, there are pics to show engine parts (at least like gaskets and stuff). A while ago, I saw a bunch of pictures which haven't been too widely published, including those, so will look them up later and post the best ones. They are interesting to see. From inside Pentagon.
Like I said before, I believe a plane did hit. But I suspect that something more may have happened. I would like to know which images of the sky are being held back, and why.
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Thanks, OzmO. No, I won't run.
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Thanks for clearing it up. I seen a lot of research about a smaller plane and a picture of a smaller engine, the goverment never bothered to publish the serial number of such engine. No to mention that the left overs of the debris of the crash was turn to the airline, and it disappeared, never to be able to be researched by independent journalists.
One thing that I will never forget and it seem petty odd after 9/11 and before the 2004 presidential election is how I can't recall seen the families of American Airlines Flight 77 that hit the pentagon in the news.
I can recall seen the families of the United Airlines Flight 93, and the twin towers, but they wouldn't bring on the families of Flight 77.
Anybody can chin in on this?
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Thanks for clearing it up. I seen a lot of research about a smaller plane and a picture of a smaller engine, the goverment never bothered to publish the serial number of such engine. No to mention that the left overs of the debris of the crash was turn to the airline, and it disappear, never to be able to be researched by independent journalist.
One thing that I will never foget and it seem petty odd after 9/11 and before the 2004 presidential election is how I can't recall seen the families of American Airlines Flight 77 that hit the pentagon in the news.
I can recall seen the families of the United Airlines Flight 93, and the twin towers, but they wouldn't bring on the families of Flight 77.
Anybody can chin in on this?
There are some very strange things about the Pentagon hit, including the thought that it comes down to a single 1fps camera for security on that face of the perimeter. That is very questionable.
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You have no room to talk COWARD. ;D You need to crawl back into your cowardly bitch hole. ;D
and you are wrong about your latest post too.
Physics!!!!! ;)
Again you are wrong. You are drawing conclusions from incorrect assumptions and inaccurate information. If you don't like the wiki proof there is more i can post from actual engineers to show how wrong you are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center)
The World Trade Center towers included many structural engineering innovations in skyscraper design and construction, which allowed the buildings to reach new heights and become the tallest in the world. Traditionally, skyscrapers used a skeleton of columns distributed throughout the interior to support building loads, with interior columns disrupting the floor space. The tube-frame concept, earlier introduced by Fazlur Khan, was a major innovation, allowing open floor plans and more space to rent. The buildings used high-strength, load-bearing perimeter steel columns called Vierendeel trusses that were spaced closely together to form a strong, rigid wall structure. There were 60 perimeter columns, narrowly spaced, on each side of the buildings. In all, the perimeter walls of the towers were 210 feet (64 m) on each side, and the corners were beveled. The perimeter columns were designed to provide support for virtually all lateral loads (such as wind loads) and to share the gravity loads with the core columns.[48] Structural analysis of major portions of the World Trade Center were computed on an IBM 1620.[49]
The perimeter structure was constructed with extensive use of prefabricated modular pieces, which consisted of three columns, three stories tall, connected by spandrel plates. The perimeter columns had a square cross section, 14 inches (36 cm) on a side, and were constructed of welded steel plate.[50] The thickness of the plates and grade of structural steel varied over the height of the tower, ranging from 36,000 to 100,000 pounds per square inch[51] (260 to 670 MPa). The strength of the steel and thickness of the steel plates decreased with height because they were required to support lesser amounts of building mass on higher floors.[50] The tube-frame design required 40 percent less structural steel than conventional building designs.[52] From the 7th floor to the ground level, and down to the foundation, the columns were spaced 10 feet (3 m) apart.[53] All columns were placed on bedrock, which, unlike that in Midtown Manhattan, where the bedrock is shallow, is at 65–85 feet (20–26 m) below the surface.[54]
The spandrel plates were welded to the columns to create the modular pieces off-site at the fabrication shop.[55] The modular pieces were typically 52 inches (1.3 m) deep, and extended for two full floors and half of two more floors.[50] Adjacent modules were bolted together, with the splices occurring at mid-span of the columns and spandrels. The spandrel plates were located at each floor, transmitting shear stress between columns, allowing them to work together in resisting lateral loads. The joints between modules were staggered vertically, so the column splices between adjacent modules were not at the same floor.[50]
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The tube frame design using steel core and perimeter columns protected with sprayed-on fire resistant material created a relatively lightweight structure that would sway more in response to the wind, compared to traditional structures such as the Empire State Building that have thick, heavy masonry for fireproofing of steel structural elements
And here is another icing in the pancake theory.
See section 8.
NIST’s findings DO NOT support the “pancake theory” of collapse, which is premised on a progressive failure of the floor systems in the WTC towers
http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/faqs_wtctowers.cfm
Even though NIST tried to peddle this very early on.. but the collapse times render the law for the conservation of momentum null and void on 9-11, they had to come up with something else..
A NEW - never seen before and never to be seen again - fire induced progressive collapse - which means nothing if they can't prove it with science-math-physics.
The only thing progressive about the collapsed buildings was; each other floor was progressively blown out to allow the entire building to fall through what should have been the path of greatest resistance.
You need explosives to bring down any steel- concrete structure. A plane impact can not achieve this. Even tank shells can not do the job. That's why planes bomb cities with high explosives. If aliminum shells filled with jet fuel was sufficient than there wouldn't be any need for high explosives inside missiles and bombs...
Ozmo in the OWNED zone, once again.
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/local_links.php?catid=18
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/local_links.php?catid=18
Thanks. ;D
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Thanks. ;D
It will answer every question you have.
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/local_links.php?catid=18
Here's what it says about the video.
Based on the currently available information, the Pentagon surveillance cameras that took the well-known videos of the impact were NTSC interlaced analog color cameras with an automatic iris and a shutter speed of 1/60th of a second.
The camera acquired a static scene, in which the background does not move, some objects are stationary and some objects (cars, people, clouds, and others) instead move.
what does the CCD sensor capture if, during the 1/60th of a second for which its shutter remains "open", the light that strikes the CCD belongs partly to the object and partly to the background, which is fixed?
Let me put it another way. If the shutter opens at a certain instant to capture a field (for example the even lines of the frame) and we consider, again by way of example, a point of the field of view that lies 2.5 meters ahead of the nose of the aircraft (which is moving at a tangent speed of 171.1 meters per second), that point remains lit by the light of the fixed background for most of the time and is reached by the nose of the plane (which moves tangentially by 2.85 meters) only when the shutter is about to close.
So what would the CCD acquire?
Would it acquire the background, with a ghost produced by the plane which arrived as the shutter was about to close?
Probably.
It also says this:
the security cameras worked by interlacing at 60 Hz, i.e., they acquired 60 fields (not frames) per second, which yielded 29.97 frames per second.
It then says it would be "unlikely" that the camera would produce a plane image at a "decent" resolution.
Looks like the camera is producing at 1fps, though, as the car passes. Or am I missing something?
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Watch the videos with an open mind, the tell me the 9/11 commission report is how things unfolded that day. Complete crap...many, many reports of the jets being military planes. What is on the underside of the jets? That's not on a civilian jet..
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You can't back up what you say?
What are you afraid of?
I guess i will add you to the list of ignorant cowards.
Pathetic. lol
Point is, you have no idea how the air defense worked back then and all you can do run like little bitch.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I'll give you that your are Good with the cut-n-paste etc with your answers.
What am I Afraid Of -- A Few Things Actually.
Though Certainly NOT YOU.
Is All You Can Do Is Resort To Imbecile Name Calling.
That is a Clue To A Very Educated & Intelligent Man...NOT.
I Have Said Already I Don't Know How The American Defense System Worked Back Then or in fact now.
The Simple Fact That 2 planes Hit The Twin Towers. ( Granted that would of Been very tough to prevent )
And 2 others -- 1, Brought down by the passengers, & The other Smashes into The Pentagon, Which they Clearly had enough time to track it's flight path & Try to communicate With.
I think Most Sane Rational Thinking People Would Say Was A Faliure Of A Defense System.
The Clue Is In The Words 'DEFENCE SYSTEMS'
Hmm Let The Plane Smash into One of The Most Important Buildings In America & Do Fcuk All About.
Great Defense System. ::)
Now Go Away --
Pls Feel Free to Call Me all the Childish Names You want.
And Show yourself up for what you are Some More. ;)
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Here are a couple of pics of not much left to see.
(http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/docs/enginerotor.jpg)
(http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/docs/diffuser1.jpg)
Used by some to show level of destruction upon a plane after hitting concrete barrier:
(http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/docs/montf4.jpg)
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You can see where the chamber in the second pic fits into this from the Boeing 757 manual:
(http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/pentagon/rb211-535_3.jpg)
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More stuff which looks to be from aircraft (can't imagine what else it could be, being where it is located and when):
(http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/docs/exit2.jpg)
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Here's a little better shot with wheel and other things visible:
(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad130/Deborahlynn911/FBI%20Records%20-%20The%20Vault%20-911%20the%20Pentagon/5.jpg)
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(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad130/Deborahlynn911/FBI%20Records%20-%20The%20Vault%20-911%20the%20Pentagon/6.jpg)
(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad130/Deborahlynn911/FBI%20Records%20-%20The%20Vault%20-911%20the%20Pentagon/9.jpg)
(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad130/Deborahlynn911/FBI%20Records%20-%20The%20Vault%20-911%20the%20Pentagon/3.jpg)
(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad130/Deborahlynn911/FBI%20Records%20-%20The%20Vault%20-911%20the%20Pentagon/7.jpg)
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More stuff which looks to be from aircraft (can't imagine what else it could be, being where it is located and when):
(http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/docs/exit2.jpg)
That perfectly round hole is from a cruise missile with a penetrating warhead on it. Period.... Where are the marks from the wings? Where are the wings, they surely didn't just fold up and follow the plane in the hole did they?
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The plane simply could not have been flown the way the official story says it was.
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That perfectly round hole is from a cruise missile with a penetrating warhead on it. Period.... Where are the marks from the wings? Where are the wings, they surely didn't just fold up and follow the plane in the hole did they?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_missiles
::) ::)
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The plane simply could not have been flown the way the official story says it was.
Crazy stuff. Damn....
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Shhssss!!! According to Government dick rider's logic 101 all that happened on 9/11: Coincidence!!!
By the way thanks for sharing!!! this thread is getting hotter and better with every post, not even the sites dedicated to debunking the 9/11 conspiracies have this much information. Great videos, we can see people in Government that demanded a real investigation which it never happened.
By the way I highly recommend people read the books of Christopher Bollyn and watch the link below, it connect this videos with what happened that day and the true perpetrators of 9/11.
GENIUS CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN EXPLAINS WITH FACTS WHY AND HOW ISRAEL DID 9-11
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Netanyahu Unaware of the Camera 'America can easily be moved'
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So are we discussing about how buildings fell and what hit them or are we discussing the conspiracy about who's "behind" it?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_missiles
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Okay, where are the titanium engines? So they hit the pentagon and didn't leave a mark? Where's the rest of the wreckage? All pilots agree that plane could not have flown the way it supposedly did, period.. Let alone by a guy that was an awful pilot according to flight school instructors.
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Okay, where are the titanium engines? So they hit the pentagon and didn't leave a mark? Where's the rest of the wreckage? All pilots agree that plane could not have flown the way it supposedly did, period.. Let alone by a guy that was an awful pilot according to flight school instructors.
Video or written interview with these flight instructors?
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So are we discussing about how buildings fell and what hit them or are we discussing the conspiracy about who's "behind" it?
Both.. They are kind of intertwined... Pretty obvious who's behind it... For the official story to be true there would have had to have been 100's of coincidences that day..
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Both.. They are kind of intertwined... Pretty obvious who's behind it... For the official story to be true there would have had to have been 100's of coincidences that day..
And for the conpiracy to be true there would have to be hundreds of people involved for months/years to plan all this.
So it's easier for you to believe that hundreds of people have kept quiet about the biggest terrorist event on American soil than for you to believe in some coincedences?
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Video or written interview with these flight instructors?
Research it.... I did... It's common knowledge none of these guys were even competent pilots.. Read David Ray Griffin... Eric Huffschmidt, Richard Gage, Pilots For Truth. By the way, where are the huge titanium engines at the Pentagon? Did they evaporate? Wings fold up and tail tuck down and magically follow the plane into that nice, neat, round hole?
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::) All this nonsense paragraph back up by bullshit and lies, and never answering the question, never giving us any links to the official report of the explanation to what happened to the black boxes of all 4 planes.
Keep at it retard, you are doing an excellent job. ;D
At least it would be nice if you would be able to prove I am wrong, but somehow it is too much to ask. Start from explaining how few kilos of explosives do half a mile wide explosion cloud in nanoseconds in some random video from Irak, but no cloud at all in WTC, where has to be used hundred of kilos of explosives per floor? Or do you think it doesn't matter? Laws of physics works in Irak, but somehow not in the WTC? Do you have any idea how fucking stupid you look like when you ignore all these details, which absence is evident? You see, it is quite clear that there wasn't any explosions and I have tons of evidence to prove it, and you don't have nothing. Only complete morons would believe invisible explosions, and you guys are a minority in this world ;D
And what difference it would make if there was black boxes to found or not, while it seem to be impossible to you to prove that there were explosions? First you have to prove that there were explosions, because that is only way to prove there were conspiracy, and when you have proved that, then we could talk about the black boxes. You see, outcome doesn't prove nothing, you have to prove there were explosions, because if not, towers collapsed from the damages made by the airplanes. And if there wasn't any conspiracy, who the fuck cares about the black boxes?
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At least it would be nice if you would be able to prove I am wrong, but somehow it is too much to ask. Start from explaining how few kilos of explosives do half a mile wide explosion cloud in nanoseconds in some random video from Irak, but no cloud at all in WTC, where has to be used hundred of kilos of explosives per floor? Or do you think it doesn't matter? Laws of physics works in Irak, but somehow not in the WTC? Do you have any idea how fucking stupid you look like when you ignore all these details, which absence is evident? You see, it is quite clear that there wasn't any explosions and I have tons of evidence to prove it, and you don't have nothing. Only complete morons would believe invisible explosions, and you guys are a minority in this world ;D
And what difference it would make if there was black boxes to found or not, while it seem to be impossible to you to prove that there were explosions? First you have to prove that there were explosions, because that is only way to prove there were conspiracy, and when you have proved that, then we could talk about the black boxes. You see, outcome doesn't prove nothing, you have to prove there were explosions, because if not, towers collapsed from the damages made by the airplanes. And if there wasn't any conspiracy, who the fuck cares about the black boxes?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YwjORDnEQ8k/UzIXGAuX_CI/AAAAAAAAwO4/T67U9LuSzp0/s1600/arguing-with-idiots-is-like-playing-chess-with-a-pigeon.jpg)
DIRTY ROTTEN HASBARA!!! Shocked
Sounds a lot like Ropo's tactics.
Hasbara Trolls are generally quite polite at first. They pop up when someone is critical of Israel and it’s policies or interests. They target, write, engage, educate and insult.
Hasbara Troll attributes
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Internet experts
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Classic insults: Anti-semite, Neo- Nazi, White Supremacist, Holocaust denier
Adept with social networks well trained on IT
When you can't argue facts, misdirect the conversation.
Government dick rider's logic 101.
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And for the conpiracy to be true there would have to be hundreds of people involved for months/years to plan all this.
So it's easier for you to believe that hundreds of people have kept quiet about the biggest terrorist event on American soil than for you to believe in some coincedences?
Compartmentalization, that's how you get a operation of this magnitude done.
Example: Bernard Madoff, Enron.
A criminal investigation was never conducted so that people testimony and evidence could come together, do you understand?
Enough said.
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Research it.... I did... It's common knowledge none of these guys were even competent pilots.. Read David Ray Griffin... Eric Huffschmidt, Richard Gage, Pilots For Truth. By the way, where are the huge titanium engines at the Pentagon? Did they evaporate? Wings fold up and tail tuck down and magically follow the plane into that nice, neat, round hole?
Fuck off with that stereotypical tin foil hatter response, just post links to your fucking evidence you lame twat.
"Do your own research" generally translates has "I haven't got a fucking clue, see if you can find it"
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Fuck off with that stereotypical tin foil hatter response, just post links to your fucking evidence you lame twat.
"Do your own research" generally translates has "I haven't got a fucking clue, see if you can find it"
Las Vegas said the the same thing. "Just research it." He wouldn't post the evidence, yet he is the one making the claim.
As you said, it usually translates into, "I don't have any good evidence to present."
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Compartmentalization, that how you get a operation of this magnitude done.
Example: Bernard Madoff, Enron.
A criminal investigation was never conducted so that people testimony and evidence could come to together, do you understand?
Enough said.
And where are those people to step forward now?
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And where are those people to step forward now?
Good question, that's why a criminal investigation needs to be reopen on 9/11.
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Las Vegas said the the same thing. "Just research it." He wouldn't post the evidence, yet he is the one making the claim.
As you said, it usually translates into, "I don't have any good evidence to present."
Can you imagine these people in a court of law?
"What evidence do you have against the accused?"
"Do your own research, its all out there"
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Why do you keep coming back? Can't you read your own stupidity makes no sense? So now you are comparing firecrackers to the demolition of the twin towers? Have you ever seen a skyscraper in your live?
Your tiny mind does not have the intellectual quotient to assimilated the enormousness size that those building had and it was beyond the laws of physic for 15 floors to have the strength to bring down the rest of 95 foors down to it's base in mere SECONDS without resistance. Watch the video again retard.
We have proved here there were residue of explosives, you dummy, we seen live testimony of people hearing explosion through the building all the way down to the basement, the science to back up the demolition and we have a video were we could hear the explosion in the background.
So what else did you need? An official report from our goverment stating there where explosions? The 9/11 commission never tested or look for it for it to begin with. Comes to show you what a liar Ozmo is, had he read the report really, and never bother to explain the omission of it.
The truth is our goverment tried really hard to shut down the investigation as quickly as possible. You wouldn't know since you live in Europe. And they spent less money investigating 9/11 than what the congress spent trying to impeach the prior President for having his dindong such by a whore, those are fact and it shows you how much they really tried to search for the truth.
You say your country have great education system? Compare to who? Is Finland a world superpower? Is even Europe anymore? Why is it Europe is getting run down by Muslims while we topple governments in the middle east?
It's really showing the lengh this goverment trolls would keep at it so peple stop reading this thread and finding more facts about that day. But don't you worry, the more you post, the easier it gets to demolish you and keep you OWNED!!!
There is nothing interesting in that video to see, so why don't you stop linking that crap? I have seen these collapses thousands of times, and I know that there isn't any explosions in them, because all the evidence what you should see is missing. That building was only 62 yards wide, so any fucking amount of explosives more than grams would be clearly visible. Your problem is that you don't know what the real explosions look like, even I have give you lot of examples, and that could mean only one thing: your blind faith overpower all facts, no matter how evident they are. You can scream, you can cry, but you never will be able to prove there were explosives, because there isn't any evidence at all to prove that. That video proves your stupidity, because that is one of the many which proves that even the sound of explosion is missing. You hear only how the building crumble on its way down, but all loud bangs are missing? I show you a video where were dozens of controlled demolitions, and there can't be any mistakes about the sound of explosives, and the cloud they make. What do you think it will sound when 400 meters high tower collapse WITHOUT any explosions? Look from your video ;D
Finland isn't a superpower at any means, but at least we have a brains and the government which isn't killing us with any given reason, or just an amusement. Our school system is superior compared to yours, you can ask about it from Michael Moore, who visited here making a movie about it. We don't have metal detectors on our schools, because we don't need them, our children's go there for learning, not to take drugs and kill each others for fun. If you would be living here, that mental illness of yours would be treated with no charge at all, and some day you would be on the same line with the rest of the mankind, not with the apes like you are now ;D :o ;D
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Can you imagine these people in a court of law?
"What evidence do you have against the accused?"
"Do your own research, its all out there"
haha, yup!!!
Lawyer: "He clearly murdered the person."
Judge: "Can you present any evidence?"
Lawyer: "UGH, do your own research. Just google it!"
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There is nothing interesting in that video to see, so why don't you stop linking that crap? I have seen these collapses thousands of times, and I know that there isn't any explosions in them, because all the evidence what you should see is missing. That building was only 62 yards wide, so any fucking amount of explosives more than grams would be clearly visible. Your problem is that you don't know what the real explosions look like, even I have give you lot of examples, and that could mean only one thing: your blind faith overpower all facts, no matter how evident they are. You can scream, you can cry, but you never will be able to prove there were explosives, because there isn't any evidence at all to prove that. That video proves your stupidity, because that is one of the many which proves that even the sound of explosion is missing. You hear only how the building crumble on its way down, but all loud bangs are missing? I show you a video where were dozens of controlled demolitions, and there can't be any mistakes about the sound of explosives, and the cloud they make. What do you think it will sound when 400 meters high tower collapse WITHOUT any explosions? Look from your video ;D
Finland isn't a superpower at any means, but at least we have a brains and the government which isn't killing us with any given reason, or just an amusement. Our school system is superior compared to yours, you can ask about it from Michael Moore, who visited here making a movie about it. We don't have metal detectors on our schools, because we don't need them, our children's go there for learning, not to take drugs and kill each others for fun. If you would be living here, that mental illness of yours would be treated with no charge at all, and some day you would be on the same line with the rest of the mankind, not with the apes like you are now ;D :o ;D
USA population 350 million. Finland population: 5.4 million. ;D HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH AHAHAHA
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9 Top Ranked Universities in Finland
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Ropo stop now, or keep been OWNED into oblivion please!!!!
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When you can't argue facts, misdirect the conversation. Bunch a female whiners we got here. ::)
9/11 Debunker Gets His Ass Handed To Him By Richard Gage - 20/07/2009
You mean that asshat, which real architects didn't want to have anything to do with? His first argument proves he is just an idiot: There was just normal office fires... Excuse me, but what is the normal office fire? How it is measured?? And when 400 meters tall building collapses on 250 meter tall building, it isn't significant at all? Only mentally ill fucking idiot would use arguments like that, while it is evident that it was quite significant. And please, what exactly even could be normal in that situation? Two of the world largest buildings have collapsed, one on top of the WTC 7, which was burning 8 hours before it collapse? Are you mad? Normal office fires...burning straight 8 hours through the building? Why it seem to me that this moron is underestimating the significance of the facts of the matter and just lying? Did I mention facts of the matter? Well, prove there were just normal office fires? In reality, no one have that knowledge, because no one see it, because collapses and dust form the twin towers. How can he say so? Truth doesn't mean anything to these assholes, so he claims it is so, knowing there isn't any evidence at all. And you believe, because of the blind faith. Quite simple, just like you are ;D
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Pentagon is the most secure building in the Country, and only 3 frames from 1 camera is what we have?
C'mon use your head.
Do you really think they'd shy from showing something hit the building after we see so many angles of the towers being hit, and people jumping from
windows? The footage is not out there, because they don't want it known or seen... Plain and simple. Surrounding businesses has their security footage confiscated
immediately after the smoke started rising from the Pentagon.
How exactly it is secured against the passenger jets? Ooh, you don't know? Have a nice day..
What they have in there? Massive amount of gold? Billions of dollars? Are they protecting their typewriters and office crap, staplers?? For real? What would the imaginary evil force be looking from there? What in the reality would be a motivation to attack there, and would give the reason for that massive security? Have you ever think about that?
And name one significant crime scene where police wouldn't confiscated the security footage of the neighbors? Ask any police, it is nothing more than just a basic crime scene protocol.
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Surreal Pictures Inside WTC 6 Destroys 9/11 Cover Story For Ever !
Surreal my ass, that building was 28 meters high and one of the 400 meters high twin towers fell on it. What it should look like? A pancake? Morons with blind faith are amusing creatures, kind like apes but dumber ;D
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This^^^. The whole official story is complete bullshit... I can't believe how many people are just asleep and believe bullshit lies.
It doesn't matter what you can't believe, but what you can prove. 36 pages, and foil hats has provide 0 evidence about the explosions at the twin towers. Outside this thread there is millions of similar threads with all the languages of the world, and still 0 evidence about the explosions. Doesn't that make you think anything? Like...wait a minute, there isn't such thing as invisible, soundless explosions which doesn't even break the windows of the building, while there is enough energy to blow massive steel columns in to pieces? Just as easy as cutting the railroad tracks by peeing ;D
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How exactly it is secured against the passenger jets? Ooh, you don't know? Have a nice day..
What they have in there? Massive amount of gold? Billions of dollars? Are they protecting their typewriters and office crap, staplers?? For real? What would the imaginary evil force be looking from there? What in the reality would be a motivation to attack there, and would give the reason for that massive security? Have you ever think about that?
And name one significant crime scene where police wouldn't confiscated the security footage of the neighbors? Ask any police, it is nothing more than just a basic crime scene protocol.
Which to date have not been released, keep at it imbecile. You getting somewhere.
the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA)
http://www.foia.gov/how-to.html
This is not Finland you moron.
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How exactly it is secured against the passenger jets? Ooh, you don't know? Have a nice day..
What they have in there? Massive amount of gold? Billions of dollars? Are they protecting their typewriters and office crap, staplers?? For real? What would the imaginary evil force be looking from there? What in the reality would be a motivation to attack there, and would give the reason for that massive security? Have you ever think about that?
And name one significant crime scene where police wouldn't confiscated the security footage of the neighbors? Ask any police, it is nothing more than just a basic crime scene protocol.
From Illuminate:
I'll give you that your are Good with the cut-n-paste etc with your answers.
What am I Afraid Of -- A Few Things Actually.
Though Certainly NOT YOU.
Is All You Can Do Is Resort To Imbecile Name Calling.
That is a Clue To A Very Educated & Intelligent Man...NOT.
I Have Said Already I Don't Know How The American Defense System Worked Back Then or in fact now.
The Simple Fact That 2 planes Hit The Twin Towers. ( Granted that would of Been very tough to prevent )
And 2 others -- 1, Brought down by the passengers, & The other Smashes into The Pentagon, Which they Clearly had enough time to track it's flight path & Try to communicate With.
I think Most Sane Rational Thinking People Would Say Was A Faliure Of A Defense System.
The Clue Is In The Words 'DEFENCE SYSTEMS'
Hmm Let The Plane Smash into One of The Most Important Buildings In America & Do Fcuk All About.
Great Defense System. Roll Eyes
Now Go Away --
Pls Feel Free to Call Me all the Childish Names You want.
And Show yourself up for what you are Some More. Wink
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Surreal my ass, that building was 28 meters high and one of the 400 meters high twin towers fell on it. What it should look like? A pancake? Morons with blind faith are amusing creatures, kind like apes but dumber ;D
You imbecile, the point is WTC6 stood while missing half of it, while building 7 across the street imploded in seconds. The other buildings around building 7, nothing. And all 3 buildings were lease by Larry Silverstein, who 6 weeks prior had taken insurance against terrorist attacks, but according to you: Coincidence!!!
Building 7:
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You imbecile, the point is WTC6 stood while missing half of it, while building 7 across the street imploded in seconds. The other buildings around building 7, nothing. And all 3 buildings were lease by Larry Silverstein, who 6 weeks prior had taken insurance against terrorist attacks, but according to you: Coincidence!!!
Building 7:
(https://egregores.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/ground-zero-labeled.jpg)
You are aware explosives explode, not implode?
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You are aware explosives explode, not implode?
Thank you, excuse my ignorance. ;D
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I'll give you that your are Good with the cut-n-paste etc with your answers.
What am I Afraid Of -- A Few Things Actually.
Though Certainly NOT YOU.
Is All You Can Do Is Resort To Imbecile Name Calling.
That is a Clue To A Very Educated & Intelligent Man...NOT.
I Have Said Already I Don't Know How The American Defense System Worked Back Then or in fact now.
The Simple Fact That 2 planes Hit The Twin Towers. ( Granted that would of Been very tough to prevent )
And 2 others -- 1, Brought down by the passengers, & The other Smashes into The Pentagon, Which they Clearly had enough time to track it's flight path & Try to communicate With.
I think Most Sane Rational Thinking People Would Say Was A Faliure Of A Defense System.
The Clue Is In The Words 'DEFENCE SYSTEMS'
Hmm Let The Plane Smash into One of The Most Important Buildings In America & Do Fcuk All About.
Great Defense System. ::)
Now Go Away --
Pls Feel Free to Call Me all the Childish Names You want.
And Show yourself up for what you are Some More. ;)
I am not going away. Maybe you should smarten up. Its not my fault you can't handle your own ignorance what its revealed to you.
You don't know how the defense system worked back then BUT you know enough to suggest they should have stopped it?
The above is very indicative of CT'ers in general.
::)
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Do I have to post the picture of plane debris in front of the pentagon again?
(http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/debrisHR.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Flight_77_wreckage_at_Pentagon.jpg)
but I need to use my head right? it was clearly planted. ::)
According to CT'ers there was no plane debris.
Those must have been photo-shopped on brought in by "them"
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c31/scoobadler/Debris_guys_zps0ab4cabe.jpg)
lots of debris in this shot.
looks like they are picking it up as quickly as possible..... OR ARE THEY PLANTING IT?!?!?!?!?!?!?! I'M OWNING MYSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Yeah they are dressed in black they must be "them"
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And here is another icing in the pancake theory.
See section 8.
NIST’s findings DO NOT support the “pancake theory” of collapse, which is premised on a progressive failure of the floor systems in the WTC towers
http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/faqs_wtctowers.cfm
Even though NIST tried to peddle this very early on.. but the collapse times render the law for the conservation of momentum null and void on 9-11, they had to come up with something else..
A NEW - never seen before and never to be seen again - fire induced progressive collapse - which means nothing if they can't prove it with science-math-physics.
The only thing progressive about the collapsed buildings was; each other floor was progressively blown out to allow the entire building to fall through what should have been the path of greatest resistance.
You need explosives to bring down any steel- concrete structure. A plane impact can not achieve this. Even tank shells can not do the job. That's why planes bomb cities with high explosives. If aliminum shells filled with jet fuel was sufficient than there wouldn't be any need for high explosives inside missiles and bombs...
Ozmo in the OWNED zone, once again.
You haven't owned shit youtube monkey. You still haven't dealt with this. Now you jumping again to another issue because you are a scared little boy who won't address his failures.
Once you address these failures I will show you haw wrong and idiotic you are with your latest run and jump.
Man the fuck up bitch.
When you can't argue facts, misdirect the conversation. Bunch a female whiners we got here. ::)
9/11 Debunker Gets His Ass Handed To Him By Richard Gage - 20/07/2009
That's what you have been doing this whole time. You get exposed and you run like a coward.
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
You are a fraud and a coward. Man up or shut up.
The Failures of the youtube monkey known as M4tad0r who is floating down the river of denial, fantasy, tinfoil hattery.
I am sure chaos and Ropo can cite many more. But here are 3 from the last few pages of this thread:
9/11: Bush Admits “Explosives” Used At World Trade Center (Video)
Start watching at 0:37 seconds for a in your face revelation from non other than our own president. How you like them apples now?
All of you goverment shill defenders are OWNED!!!
Bush in a press conference talking about intel gathered from Khalid and doesn't mention WTC at all, and obviously misreads his speech. But this is hailed by the youtube monkey as "Bush Admits “Explosives” Used At World Trade Center"
He wants the CT to be real so bad, he ignore his intelligence, reading comprehension, and common sense.
He doesn't even bother to read the transcript.
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19 goat shepherds defeated a multi-billion dollar defense system, masterminded by a terrorist hidden in cave of a 3rd world country, and 3 steel skyscrapers came down due to fuel and office fire. The offical truffer report on 9/11!!!
Here he builds on his fantasy starting with "19 goat shepherds" when many of these Terrorists when 10 of the 19 either graduated from College or attended college. Not too many goat shepherds typically have college education in things like civil law and avionics.
Its really sad to see a person having to outright lie to make a point about a tinfoil hat fantasy.
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This one shows his level of desperation to make his fantasy real:
In the aftermath there have been studies done on the WTC's and what happened that day. Its also a very common discussion engineering schools at one point or another.
Other than a few thousand mostly crack pot engineers which represent far less than 1% of the of educated people in the world who know BS pseudoscience, and legitimate engineering science, no one has pointed out with peer reviewed assertions based on hard evidence, not flawed logic, or BS rhetoric, that its was a demolition.
Where? Please give some links to such claims.
Here is a link:
http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-engineers-study-911-lessons-how-help-buildings-withstand-threats (http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-engineers-study-911-lessons-how-help-buildings-withstand-threats)
So where is the study and discussion explaining the the collapse of the twin towers?
Can't understand he's own links.
HAHAHAHAHAHA Ozmo
Still OWNED!!!!
M4tad0r doesn't think a discussion about how the WTC's failed preceded a study and discussion about how to make buildings safer from terrorist attacks from 9/11?
What kind of stupid is this man?
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The plane simply could not have been flown the way the official story says it was.
Again, completely not true.
Maybe you are a youtube monkey too and influenced like a herd of sheep by youtube vids.
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Pigeons are smarter than truffers.
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Pilot Who Flew The Airplanes That Crashed on 9/11 Speaks Out!
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You haven't owned shit youtube monkey. You still haven't dealt with this. Now you jumping again to another issue because you are a scared little boy who won't address his failures.
Once you address these failures I will show you haw wrong and idiotic you are with your latest run and jump.
Man the fuck up bitch.
That's what you have been doing this whole time. You get exposed and you run like a coward.
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
You are a fraud and a coward. Man up or shut up.
The Failures of the youtube monkey known as M4tad0r who is floating down the river of denial, fantasy, tinfoil hattery.
I am sure chaos and Ropo can cite many more. But here are 3 from the last few pages of this thread:
Bush in a press conference talking about intel gathered from Khalid and doesn't mention WTC at all, and obviously misreads his speech. But this is hailed by the youtube monkey as "Bush Admits “Explosives” Used At World Trade Center"
He wants the CT to be real so bad, he ignore his intelligence, reading comprehension, and common sense.
He doesn't even bother to read the transcript.
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Here he builds on his fantasy starting with "19 goat shepherds" when many of these Terrorists when 10 of the 19 either graduated from College or attended college. Not too many goat shepherds typically have college education in things like civil law and avionics.
Its really sad to see a person having to outright lie to make a point about a tinfoil hat fantasy.
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This one shows his level of desperation to make his fantasy real:
Here is a link:
M4tad0r doesn't think a discussion about how the WTC's failed preceded a study and discussion about how to make buildings safer from terrorist attacks from 9/11?
What kind of stupid is this man?
(http://www.vote29.com/newmyblog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/bitch-slap-the-article-large.jpg)
Ozmo in the OWNED Zone, has not debunked anything, nor has presented anything here, Facts.
Gets trolled, but too stupid to understand it, Facts.
Comes here and proclaims there are discussion and studies at colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11 which can not provide any proof or links, and he gives a link not related to what he posts but too stupid to understand it, Fatcs.
Ozmo "The legend on his own mind" Government dick rider's logic 101
That's what you have been doing this whole time. You get exposed and you run like a coward.
You are a fraud and a coward. Man up or shut up.
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Hey youtube boy,
We have been over this before on the thread where you were owned and debunked and then you ran away.
If you want me to read your retort. Don't use all caps.
Now to the one part i did read:
I don't need to give you links, or better yet, a youtube video of it. just use you head. Why wouldn't that be a question someone would ask in a structural engineering class? I know it common because i have read discussions on FB that people were having about it.
Are you telling me students wouldn't ask a question like that for fear of "the evil government" sneaking into their dorms at night a killing them or the professor?
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Where were the 2 humongous engines? Since when does a jet fuselage penetrate 4 rings of the pentagon? If there is no debris from the plane and it just evaporated, how did it penetrate 4 rings of the Pentagon? Impossible.. Cruise missile with a penetrating warhead. The hole in the Pentagon starts at the base, on the ground... How did the plane get that low without the engines hitting the ground? Physically impossible. The engines would have hit the ground causing the plane to crash before it reached the Pentagon's outer wall. This all assuming the plane could maneuver that low at that speed, which again was physically impossible. This is shit any 6th grader knows. My God wake up people...
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Where were the 2 humongous engines? Since when does a jet fuselage penetrate 4 rings of the pentagon? If there is no debris from the plane and it just evaporated, how did it penetrate 4 rings of the Pentagon? Impossible.. Cruise missile with a penetrating warhead. The hole in the Pentagon starts at the base, on the ground... How did the plane get that low without the engines hitting the ground? Physically impossible. The engines would have hit the ground causing the plane to crash before it reached the Pentagon's outer wall. This all assuming the plane could maneuver that low at that speed, which again was physically impossible. This is shit any 6th grader knows. My God wake up people...
wrong again.
This shows you have the understanding of a 6th grader or less. I would expect a 6th grader to believe non sense like this.
You know nothing about what airliners are made of.
You know nothing of what happens when a jet hits a solid object such as the ground or a solid object
You know nothing of how an airliner can or cannot maneuver
You are straight talking out of your ass.
The funny part about this is all the information you need to know is easily found on the web.
But your 6th grade intellect tells you cruise missile hit the pentagon.
::) ;D
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(http://www.buymarsproperty.com/owned/owned4.jpg)
(https://themarshallreport.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/sand-bury-your-head-in-the-sand.jpg)
Believes a discussion of how the WTC failed didn't precede a study of how to make them with stand a terrorist attack like 9/11
What kind of stupid is this man?
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Ozmo in the OWNED Zone, has not debunked anything, nor has presented anything here, Facts.
Gets trolled, but too stupid to understand it, Facts.
Comes here and proclaims there are discussion and studies at colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11 which can not provide any proof or links, and he gives a link not related to what he posts but too stupid to understand it, Fatcs.
Ozmo "The legend on his own mind" Government dick rider's logic 101
That's what you have been doing this whole time. You get exposed and you run like a coward.
You haven't owned anything except the youtube monkey award.
You run from:
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
Because you are a scared.
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Can you imagine these people in a court of law?
"What evidence do you have against the accused?"
"Do your own research, its all out there"
LOL like getbig is a courtroom. It doesn't matter what you believe someone else will believe the opposite.
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There is nothing interesting in that video to see, so why don't you stop linking that crap? I have seen these collapses thousands of times, and I know that there isn't any explosions in them, because all the evidence what you should see is missing. That building was only 62 yards wide, so any fucking amount of explosives more than grams would be clearly visible. Your problem is that you don't know what the real explosions look like, even I have give you lot of examples, and that could mean only one thing: your blind faith overpower all facts, no matter how evident they are. You can scream, you can cry, but you never will be able to prove there were explosives, because there isn't any evidence at all to prove that. That video proves your stupidity, because that is one of the many which proves that even the sound of explosion is missing. You hear only how the building crumble on its way down, but all loud bangs are missing? I show you a video where were dozens of controlled demolitions, and there can't be any mistakes about the sound of explosives, and the cloud they make. What do you think it will sound when 400 meters high tower collapse WITHOUT any explosions? Look from your video ;D
Finland isn't a superpower at any means, but at least we have a brains and the government which isn't killing us with any given reason, or just an amusement. Our school system is superior compared to yours, you can ask about it from Michael Moore, who visited here making a movie about it. We don't have metal detectors on our schools, because we don't need them, our children's go there for learning, not to take drugs and kill each others for fun. If you would be living here, that mental illness of yours would be treated with no charge at all, and some day you would be on the same line with the rest of the mankind, not with the apes like you are now ;D :o ;D
Ropo you're a good dude and you've presented your evidence and made your points. I can't fault you for any of that.
BUT using Micheal Moore as a source for any opinion is a poor decision. Very few schools in the states have metal detectors, I get it that it shouldn't be an issue at all, but it's not like that's a way of life for 95% of the population.
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You haven't owned anything except the youtube monkey award.
You run from:
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
Because you are a scared.
Fact: too stupid to understand when you are been trolled.
Fact: too stupid to understand when you are been trolled.
Fact: Doesn't present any studies or facts where WTC failed on 9/11.
(http://www.buymarsproperty.com/owned/o.jpeg)
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wrong again.
This shows you have the understanding of a 6th grader or less. I would expect a 6th grader to believe non sense like this.
You know nothing about what airliners are made of.
You know nothing of what happens when a jet hits a solid object such as the ground or a solid object
You know nothing of how an airliner can or cannot maneuver
You are straight talking out of your ass.
The funny part about this is all the information you need to know is easily found on the web.
But your 6th grade intellect tells you cruise missile hit the pentagon.
::) ;D
Ozmo in the OWNED Zone, has not debunked anything, nor has presented anything here, Facts.
Gets trolled, but too stupid to understand it, Facts.
Comes here and proclaims there are discussion and studies at colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11 which can not provide any proof or links, and he gives a link not related to what he posts but too stupid to understand it, Fatcs.
Ozmo "The legend on his own mind" Government dick rider's logic 101
That's what you have been doing this whole time. You get exposed and you run like a coward.
You are a fraud and a coward. Man up or shut up.
(http://www.buymarsproperty.com/owned/owned25.jpg)
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Fuck off with that stereotypical tin foil hatter response, just post links to your fucking evidence you lame twat.
"Do your own research" generally translates has "I haven't got a fucking clue, see if you can find it"
Do your own research means actually sit down and listen to both sides of the argument.
Everyone knows the CNN, NBC and CBS reports. We all saw the news. Everyone know that account. We've all been subject to endless loops of video on the news, and you take that as the absolute truth and thats it... You owe it to yourself to visit the other side of the argument. I once thought it was inconceivable to think some of the things people say about the events on that day, but once you actually listen to the details of just a 45 minute breakdown, you see how much information was withed, or just impossible.
Fact of the matter is, so many points are contradicted, and well laid out in various documentaries... Simply criticizing someone because they can't put it into words, and you're too lazy to look at well made documentary is just plain stupid. Even in the court of law, both parties are given equal times to state their case. Give both sides a shot. Not me, not Matador, or others making claims here. I'm not saying you should believe my analysis, I can't summarize the things i've seen just WATCH a properly structured documentary and try not to smoke meth that morning with your trailer park friends and some new things will be made aware to you.
If you haven't listened to the arguments of the qualified professionals who contradict the official story, and you simply dismiss them; the fault is all yours for not being educated on the subject.
I've watched a handful of documentaries, and this one here (not finished yet) is insanely in-depth, and if you only take 10% of the points they bring up, you'll see how the events of 9/11 (what's officially on record / hidden from record) are fabricated like a house of cards.
HIGHLY RECOMMEND THIS: (Available in youtube in 3 parts) or 1 long video of nearly 4.5 hours. The first 1.5 hours will be enough to have you interested, and that's not even covering the WTC yet.
(http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/911-pearl-harbor-400x320.jpg)
Even NIST (National Institute of Standards and Tech) - the guys who claim that steel didn't need to melt, it just needed to be weakened, doesn't even acknowledge having a recorded temperature that is even close enough to do so. See the 3 temps below (Temp required to melt, soften, an the officially temperature NIST says occurred in the WTC...) This is like 1/50 points that are brought up in this documentary, it's nuts to conceive that such bullshit made it through in the official reports as plausible causes for the way the events happened...
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911-Conspiracy Finally Solved!: Names, Connections, Motives, 911Matrix of Details Exposed!
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911 Investigators and Witnesses are Being Killed!.mp4
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Former FBI chief Ted Gundersen says 9/11 was an inside job
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Do your own research means actually sit down and listen to both sides of the argument.
Everyone knows the CNN, NBC and CBS reports. We all saw the news. Everyone know that account. We've all been subject to endless loops of video on the news, and you take that as the absolute truth and thats it... You owe it to yourself to visit the other side of the argument. I once thought it was inconceivable to think some of the things people say about the events on that day, but once you actually listen to the details of just a 45 minute breakdown, you see how much information was withed, or just impossible.
Fact of the matter is, so many points are contradicted, and well laid out in various documentaries... Simply criticizing someone because they can't put it into words, and you're too lazy to look at well made documentary is just plain stupid. Even in the court of law, both parties are given equal times to state their case. Give both sides a shot. Not me, not Matador, or others making claims here. I'm not saying you should believe my analysis, I can't summarize the things i've seen just WATCH a properly structured documentary and try not to smoke meth that morning with your trailer park friends and some new things will be made aware to you.
If you haven't listened to the arguments of the qualified professionals who contradict the official story, and you simply dismiss them; the fault is all yours for not being educated on the subject.
I've watched a handful of documentaries, and this one here (not finished yet) is insanely in-depth, and if you only take 10% of the points they bring up, you'll see how the events of 9/11 (what's officially on record / hidden from record) are fabricated like a house of cards.
HIGHLY RECOMMEND THIS: (Available in youtube in 3 parts) or 1 long video of nearly 4.5 hours. The first 1.5 hours will be enough to have you interested, and that's not even covering the WTC yet.
(http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/911-pearl-harbor-400x320.jpg)
Even NIST (National Institute of Standards and Tech) - the guys who claim that steel didn't need to melt, it just needed to be weakened, doesn't even acknowledge having a recorded temperature that is even close enough to do so. See the 3 temps below (Temp required to melt, soften, an the officially temperature NIST says occurred in the WTC...) This is like 1/50 points that are brought up in this documentary, it's nuts to conceive that such bullshit made it through in the official reports as plausible causes for the way the events happened...
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=607734.0;attach=678497;image)
Weird you would post that pic when the NIST website actually says the fires were as hot as 1800f.
Which is it?
http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/faqs_wtctowers.cfm
Point #6 if you bother to look.
Here let me just quote it for you........
6. What caused the collapses of WTC 1 and WTC 2?
Based on its comprehensive investigation, NIST concluded that the WTC towers collapsed because: (1) the impact of the planes severed and damaged support columns, dislodged fireproofing insulation coating the steel floor trusses and steel columns, and widely dispersed jet fuel over multiple floors; and (2) the subsequent unusually large number of jet-fuel ignited multi-floor fires (which reached temperatures as high as 1,000 degrees Celsius, or 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit) significantly weakened the floors and columns with dislodged fireproofing to the point where floors sagged and pulled inward on the perimeter columns. This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers. Both photographic and video evidence—as well as accounts from the New York City Police Department aviation unit during a half-hour period prior to collapse—support this sequence for each tower.
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9/11 Incontrovertible Proof the Government is Lying
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8 weeks after the buildings came down, there were still fires going on under the ruble!!!
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Quote from: illuminati on 07-05-2016, 23:39:40
I'll give you that your are Good with the cut-n-paste etc with your answers.
What am I Afraid Of -- A Few Things Actually.
Though Certainly NOT YOU.
Is All You Can Do Is Resort To Imbecile Name Calling.
That is a Clue To A Very Educated & Intelligent Man...NOT.
I Have Said Already I Don't Know How The American Defense System Worked Back Then or in fact now.
The Simple Fact That 2 planes Hit The Twin Towers. ( Granted that would of Been very tough to prevent )
And 2 others -- 1, Brought down by the passengers, & The other Smashes into The Pentagon, Which they Clearly had enough time to track it's flight path & Try to communicate With.
I think Most Sane Rational Thinking People Would Say Was A Faliure Of A Defense System.
The Clue Is In The Words 'DEFENCE SYSTEMS'
Hmm Let The Plane Smash into One of The Most Important Buildings In America & Do Fcuk All About.
Great Defense System. Roll Eyes
Now Go Away --
Pls Feel Free to Call Me all the Childish Names You want.
And Show yourself up for what you are Some More. Wink
Quote - Matador.
I am not going away. Maybe you should smarten up. Its not my fault you can't handle your own ignorance what its revealed to you.
You don't know how the defense system worked back then BUT you know enough to suggest they should have stopped it?
The above is very indicative of CT'ers in general.
Roll Eyes
To You Matador.
Re - read my post to you & Take It In.
No I don't claim to know how it worked or works.
Again The Clue Is In The NAME --DEFENCE SYSTEMS --
Letting A Plane Smash into one of the supposedly Most Secured & Important Buildings
Is Not A Very Good Defence System.
At Least This Post You Managed To Not Show Yourself Up Again With Imbecile Name Calling.
I will Refrain From Answering Any Further Posts From You.
As You Won't Go Away.
Is Best I Just Ignore You.
P.s do try to be more mature in your replies to posters
You May Just Convince a few you are the Expert & Intelligent Man you so
Desperately try to portray.
HTH.
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Quote from: illuminati on 07-05-2016, 23:39:40
I'll give you that your are Good with the cut-n-paste etc with your answers.
What am I Afraid Of -- A Few Things Actually.
Though Certainly NOT YOU.
Is All You Can Do Is Resort To Imbecile Name Calling.
That is a Clue To A Very Educated & Intelligent Man...NOT.
I Have Said Already I Don't Know How The American Defense System Worked Back Then or in fact now.
The Simple Fact That 2 planes Hit The Twin Towers. ( Granted that would of Been very tough to prevent )
And 2 others -- 1, Brought down by the passengers, & The other Smashes into The Pentagon, Which they Clearly had enough time to track it's flight path & Try to communicate With.
I think Most Sane Rational Thinking People Would Say Was A Faliure Of A Defense System.
The Clue Is In The Words 'DEFENCE SYSTEMS'
Hmm Let The Plane Smash into One of The Most Important Buildings In America & Do Fcuk All About.
Great Defense System. Roll Eyes
Now Go Away --
Pls Feel Free to Call Me all the Childish Names You want.
And Show yourself up for what you are Some More. Wink
Quote - Matador.
I am not going away. Maybe you should smarten up. Its not my fault you can't handle your own ignorance what its revealed to you.
You don't know how the defense system worked back then BUT you know enough to suggest they should have stopped it?
The above is very indicative of CT'ers in general.
Roll Eyes
To You Matador.
Re - read my post to you & Take It In.
No I don't claim to know how it worked or works.
Again The Clue Is In The NAME --DEFENCE SYSTEMS --
Letting A Plane Smash into one of the supposedly Most Secured & Important Buildings
Is Not A Very Good Defence System.
At Least This Post You Managed To Not Show Yourself Up Again With Imbecile Name Calling.
I will Refrain From Answering Any Further Posts From You.
As You Won't Go Away.
Is Best I Just Ignore You.
P.s do try to be more mature in your replies to posters
You May Just Convince a few you are the Expert & Intelligent Man you so
Desperately try to portray.
HTH.
;)
In addition to not knowing the how our defense system worked that day, you also don't know how to use the "quote" feature on this forum today.
Perhaps you can ask a 6th grader to help you.
In the meantime do you have anything of substance to back up any of your absurd claims?
Thank Fcuk it wasn't Russia or China launching a Stealth Attack on America That Day
Chances are you'd be speaking another language now.
Still can't back up what you can you?
This is something a 6th grader would say.
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Fact: too stupid to understand when you are been trolled.
Fact: too stupid to understand when you are been trolled.
Fact: Doesn't present any studies or facts where WTC failed on 9/11.
(http://www.buymarsproperty.com/owned/o.jpeg)
So now you are claiming trolled when you still cant address your failures?
A truffer is one sad desperate monkey.
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Do your own research means actually sit down and listen to both sides of the argument.
I have, I was truffer at first. The enthusiasm to legitimately prove it was an "inside job" led to the conclusion truffer arguments are rubbish.
If you haven't listened to the arguments of the qualified professionals who contradict the official story, and you simply dismiss them; the fault is all yours for not being educated on the subject.
Haven't seen any "qualified professionals" submit a peer reviewed science based argument that refutes findings from the official report or from professors at places like MIT, Northwestern and Purdue universities. (been saving those for your youtube monkey cohort, but he can't even admit that a discussion on how the WTC collapsed preceded a study on how they can make buildings safer from terrorist attack like 9/11)
I've watched a handful of documentaries, and this one here (not finished yet) is insanely in-depth, and if you only take 10% of the points they bring up, you'll see how the events of 9/11 (what's officially on record / hidden from record) are fabricated like a house of cards.
HIGHLY RECOMMEND THIS: (Available in youtube in 3 parts) or 1 long video of nearly 4.5 hours. The first 1.5 hours will be enough to have you interested, and that's not even covering the WTC yet.
(http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/911-pearl-harbor-400x320.jpg)
Most youtube 9/11 vids are final cut "slapped togethers with dramatic music." They are designed to sway you with rhetorical questions based on false premises.
Research from credible sources will give you tangible arguments for or against.
Even NIST (National Institute of Standards and Tech) - the guys who claim that steel didn't need to melt, it just needed to be weakened, doesn't even acknowledge having a recorded temperature that is even close enough to do so. See the 3 temps below (Temp required to melt, soften, an the officially temperature NIST says occurred in the WTC...) This is like 1/50 points that are brought up in this documentary, it's nuts to conceive that such bullshit made it through in the official reports as plausible causes for the way the events happened...
Not BS at all, and credible sources have supported the official report in their own research, people with direct expertise in the related fields.
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6. What caused the collapses of WTC 1 and WTC 2?
Based on its comprehensive investigation, NIST concluded that the WTC towers collapsed because: (1) the impact of the planes severed and damaged support columns, dislodged fireproofing insulation coating the steel floor trusses and steel columns, and widely dispersed jet fuel over multiple floors; and (2) the subsequent unusually large number of jet-fuel ignited multi-floor fires (which reached temperatures as high as 1,000 degrees Celsius, or 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit) significantly weakened the floors and columns with dislodged fireproofing to the point where floors sagged and pulled inward on the perimeter columns. This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers. Both photographic and video evidence—as well as accounts from the New York City Police Department aviation unit during a half-hour period prior to collapse—support this sequence for each tower.
In ancient times an uneducated mind called science witchcraft or divine intervention
In modern times an uneducated mind calls science Bullshit or a CT.
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I have, I was truffer at first. The enthusiasm to legitimately prove it was an "inside job" led to the conclusion truffer arguments are rubbish.
Haven't seen any "qualified professionals" submit a peer reviewed science based argument that refutes findings from the official report or from professors at places like MIT, Northwestern and Purdue universities. (been saving those for your youtube monkey cohort, but he can't even admit that a discussion on how the WTC collapsed preceded a study on how they can make buildings safer from terrorist attack like 9/11)
Most youtube 9/11 vids are final cut "slapped togethers with dramatic music." They are designed to sway you with rhetorical questions based on false premises.
Research from credible sources will give you tangible arguments for or against.
Not BS at all, and credible sources have supported the official report in their own research, people with direct expertise in the related fields.
Ozmo 'the American' full of rubbish & "the legend on his own mind" Government dick rider's logic 101
Ozmo in the OWNED Zone, has not debunked anything, nor has presented anything here, Facts.
Gets trolled, but too stupid to understand it, Facts. ;D
Comes here and proclaims there are discussion and studies at colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11 which can not provide any proof or links, and he gives a link not related to what he posts but too stupid to understand it, Fatcs. ;D
That's what you have been doing this whole time. You get exposed and you run like a coward!!!
8) Man up or shut da fuck up!!!
It's just too easy for you to be:
(http://www.buymarsproperty.com/owned/owned_baby.jpg) :'(
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Ozmo 'the American' full of rubbish & "the legend on his own mind" Government dick rider's logic 101
Ozmo in the OWNED Zone, has not debunked anything, nor has presented anything here, Facts.
Gets trolled, but too stupid to understand it, Facts. ;D
Comes here and proclaims there are discussion and studies at colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11 which can not provide any proof or links, and he gives a link not related to what he posts but too stupid to understand it, Fatcs. ;D
That's what you have been doing this whole time. You get exposed and you run like a coward!!!
8) Man up or shut da fuck up!!!
It's just too easy for you to be:
(http://www.buymarsproperty.com/owned/owned_baby.jpg) :'(
Still cant address your failures?
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
A truffer is one sad desperate monkey.
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Still cant address your failures?
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
A truffer is one sad desperate monkey.
Fact: too stupid to understand when you are been trolled.
Fact: too stupid to understand when you are been trolled.
Fact: Doesn't present any studies or facts from colleges that studied why WTC's failed on 9/11.
Ozmo 'the American' full of rubbish & "the legend on his own mind" Government dick rider's logic 101 who studied the events of 9/11 for 9 years. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHA.
Man up and shut da fuck up!!!
All you been doing is getting:
(http://www.buymarsproperty.com/owned/mouse2.jpg)
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Fact: too stupid to understand when you are been trolled.
Fact: too stupid to understand when you are been trolled.
Fact: Doesn't present any studies or facts from colleges that studied why WTC's failed on 9/11.
Ozmo 'the American' full of rubbish & "the legend on his own mind" Government dick rider's logic 101 who studied the events of 9/11 for 9 years. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHA.
Man up and shut da fuck up!!!
All you been doing is getting:
(http://www.buymarsproperty.com/owned/mouse2.jpg)
Still cant address your failures?
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
A truffer is one sad desperate monkey.
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Fuck off with that stereotypical tin foil hatter response, just post links to your fucking evidence you lame twat.
"Do your own research" generally translates has "I haven't got a fucking clue, see if you can find it"
Why so hostile? I at first believed the official story of 9/11 before I actually looked at the evidence. I've read countless books, nobody told me to, I did it on my own.. Why can't you? Instead you say fuck off. Childlike response. Everyone should be researching this because this event is the reason why we are still fighting wars today. I've listed off a few books I have read, why don't you read them? Too lazy? It's impossible to list off every single thing I've read here, nor should I have to. The information is everwhere, it's up to you to educate yourself. Or, you can continue to hurl insults and act like a child here. The evidence is overwhelming that our government did this... If you're too lazy to read, look no further than the controlled demolition of WTC 7. That one piece of evidence confirms inside job... You're clearly the one that doesn't have a clue. I might suggest you get one....
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You need to do some research. Answer this smart guy:
Why we're thermite and nano-thermite found in the debris at WTC?
Why did all 3 WTC buildings fall at near free fall speed, and actually accelerate as they fell?
Why did Silverstein say they pulled WTC 7? That's an admission it was demolished correct?
Why only one shitty camera angle of the Pentagon, the most protected building on earth?
Why did the FBI confiscate all security camera footage from businesses surrounding the Pentagon within minutes?
Why did George Bush say in an interview he saw the first plane hit the tower, when he was sitting in a classroom at the time? He knew what was to happen that day that's why.
Why could our military not intercept a single jet that day when they had done so dozens of times that year?
Why no wreckage at Pentagon?
Why no wreckage at Shanksville?
Why did Rumsfeld slip up and say in an interview that a missile hit the Pentagon?
Why was the WTC debris rapidly sent to China? Was it not a crime scene?
Why so little time and money spent on the investigation of the event that changed our world?
Why so many reports of explosions at WTC?
Why were there demolition squibs on the floors below the collapsing towers?
Why so much dust if no explosives were used?
Read, do some research, I've listed off at least 2 books.. Why not read them? The facts are all laid out. Interviews with military, flight controllers, pilots, engineers, architects, etc. instead you provide no evidence except the bullshit investigation, and resort to name calling. Grow up.
At first glance all the stuff you wrote their not true.
I have been debunking 9/11 off and on for the last 9 years. Chances are I have done far more actual research than you. I have done independent research, and interviewed people who have expertise in fields related to 9/11.
I started out believing there might have been a CT here. It didn't take long. There is nothing even remotely credible to substantiate 9/11 truffer arguments.
So don't carried away thinking i haven't done any research.
I call people names because when i show them to be 100% wrong they run like bitches.
Exmaple: the youtube monkey
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
Are you gonna run too?
Pic any part of it you want. We could do easy ones like no wreckage at the pentagon or harder ones like the thermite argument. Commit that you will stay on the part you pick until the bitter end and i will go round and round with as long as you like.
(this shouldn't be too hard with all those books you read)
But understand this, the burden of proof is on you, the accuser. Because the case has been made and main stream science agrees.
Run Forrest Run!
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I never said Bush talked about the towers being prewired... Learn to read..,I said he said in an interview he saw the first plane hit the tower, which was impossible because he was sitting in a classroom at the time... Come out of the dark ages and open your eyes,, more than half of Americans now believe our own government had a part in 9/11. You don't debunk shit, and you can't prove shit because all you do is reiterate the official story, which everyone with a shred of intelligence knows is absolute bullshit..
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And yes there was thermite found at the site... Molten steel as well, pools of it.. Interviews with firefighters confirm that.. Pyroclastic flow from thermite used in the demolitions with pulverized concrete.. Look at a normal building collapse, then compare it to controlled demo. There is not much dust with normal collapse.. Demolition, you have what we saw at WTC. Cars, buses, all charred to the frame from the heat caused by the demolitions.. You can reiterate your bullshit story over and over.. It's simply garbage..
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I have, I was truffer at first. The enthusiasm to legitimately prove it was an "inside job" led to the conclusion truffer arguments are rubbish.
Haven't seen any "qualified professionals" submit a peer reviewed science based argument that refutes findings from the official report or from professors at places like MIT, Northwestern and Purdue universities. (been saving those for your youtube monkey cohort, but he can't even admit that a discussion on how the WTC collapsed preceded a study on how they can make buildings safer from terrorist attack like 9/11)
Most youtube 9/11 vids are final cut "slapped togethers with dramatic music." They are designed to sway you with rhetorical questions based on false premises.
Research from credible sources will give you tangible arguments for or against.
Not BS at all, and credible sources have supported the official report in their own research, people with direct expertise in the related fields.
Why don't you give us such links then. Thankyou in advance.
You know who never presented any peer reviewed science based arguments? Nist and all goverment bodies for that matter. When presented with Foia, it was all turn down. The NIST website that actually says the fires were as hot as 1800f, guess what? they never turn in their model or how they calculated such temperatures. Too bad that report was never up for peer review, and I challenge you to prove me and every body here otherwise.
Same thing with the black boxes from all 4 planes.
And all footage from the pentagon and surrounding buildings who had security cameras recording that day. More than 85 tapes according to the FBI. Why was Foia turn down?
We will be waiting.
OZMO "the american" full of rubbish, "legend on his own mind" Government dick rider's logic 101 who now claims been debunking 9/11 CT's for 9 years. :D HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHHAHAHAA
Man up and shut da fuck up!!!
All you been doing is getting:
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I never said Bush talked about the towers being prewired... Learn to read..,I said he said in an interview he saw the first plane hit the tower, which was impossible because he was sitting in a classroom at the time... Come out of the dark ages and open your eyes,, more than half of Americans now believe our own government had a part in 9/11. You don't debunk shit, and you can't prove shit because all you do is reiterate the official story, which everyone with a shred of intelligence knows is absolute bullshit..
I was referring to m4tad0r as the youtube monkey and how he is running from what i called him out on. Which is referencing a 2006 press conference he posted.
I call people names because when i show them to be 100% wrong they run like bitches.
Exmaple: the youtube monkey
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
Maybe you should learn to read
I am asking you to pick a section of 9/11 and you and i can debate it.
And yes there was thermite found at the site... Molten steel as well, pools of it.. Interviews with firefighters confirm that.. Pyroclastic flow from thermite used in the demolitions with pulverized concrete.. Look at a normal building collapse, then compare it to controlled demo. There is not much dust with normal collapse.. Demolition, you have what we saw at WTC. Cars, buses, all charred to the frame from the heat caused by the demolitions.. You can reiterate your bullshit story over and over.. It's simply garbage..
You want to go the thermite issue then?
Just pick dude. I will refrain from personal attacks and we can have a civil discussion about it.
Up to you.
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Why don't you give us such links then. Thankyou in advance.
You know who never presented any peer reviewed science based arguments? Nist and all goverment bodies for that matter. When presented with Foia, it was all turn down. The NIST website that actually says the fires were as hot as 1800f, guess what? they never turn in their model or how they calculated such temperatures. Too bad that report was never up for peer review, and I challenge you to prove me and every body here otherwise.
Same thing with the black boxes from all 4 planes.
And all footage from the pentagon and surrounding buildings who had security cameras recording that day. More than 85 tapes according to the FBI. Why was Foia turn down?
We will be waiting.
OZMO "the american" full of rubbish, "legend on his own mind" Government dick rider's logic 101 who now claims been debunking 9/11 CT's for 9 years. :D HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHHAHAHAA
Man up and shut da fuck up!!!
All you been doing is getting:
(http://www.buymarsproperty.com/owned/owned_cat.jpg)
M4tad0r, I would be more than happy to go to any area you want on 9/11 but first you must address your failures:
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies at colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
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10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes
1. Arrogance. They are always fact-seekers, questioners, people who are trying to discover the truth: sceptics are always "sheep", patsies for Messrs Bush and Blair etc.
2. Relentlessness. They will always go on and on about a conspiracy no matter how little evidence they have to go on or how much of what they have is simply discredited. (Moreover, as per 1. above, even if you listen to them ninety-eight times, the ninety-ninth time, when you say "no thanks", you'll be called a "sheep" again.) Additionally, they have no capacity for precis whatsoever. They go on and on at enormous length.
3. Inability to answer questions. For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions from sceptics about the claims that they make.
4. Fondness for certain stock phrases. These include Cicero's "cui bono?" (of which it can be said that Cicero understood the importance of having evidence to back it up) and Conan Doyle's "once we have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however unlikely, must be the truth". What these phrases have in common is that they are attempts to absolve themselves from any responsibility to produce positive, hard evidence themselves: you simply "eliminate the impossible" (i.e. say the official account can't stand scrutiny) which means that the wild allegation of your choice, based on "cui bono?" (which is always the government) is therefore the truth.
5. Inability to employ or understand Occam's Razor. Aided by the principle in 4. above, conspiracy theorists never notice that the small inconsistencies in the accounts which they reject are dwarfed by the enormous, gaping holes in logic, likelihood and evidence in any alternative account.
6. Inability to tell good evidence from bad. Conspiracy theorists have no place for peer-review, for scientific knowledge, for the respectability of sources. The fact that a claim has been made by anybody, anywhere, is enough for them to reproduce it and demand that the questions it raises be answered, as if intellectual enquiry were a matter of responding to every rumour. While they do this, of course, they will claim to have "open minds" and abuse the sceptics for apparently lacking same.
7. Inability to withdraw. It's a rare day indeed when a conspiracy theorist admits that a claim they have made has turned out to be without foundation, whether it be the overall claim itself or any of the evidence produced to support it. Moreover they have a liking (see 3. above) for the technique of avoiding discussion of their claims by "swamping" - piling on a whole lot more material rather than respond to the objections sceptics make to the previous lot.
8. Leaping to conclusions. Conspiracy theorists are very keen indeed to declare the "official" account totally discredited without having remotely enough cause so to do. Of course this enables them to wheel on the Conan Doyle quote as in 4. above. Small inconsistencies in the account of an event, small unanswered questions, small problems in timing of differences in procedure from previous events of the same kind are all more than adequate to declare the "official" account clearly and definitively discredited. It goes without saying that it is not necessary to prove that these inconsistencies are either relevant, or that they even definitely exist.
9. Using previous conspiracies as evidence to support their claims. This argument invokes scandals like the Birmingham Six, the Bologna station bombings, the Zinoviev letter and so on in order to try and demonstrate that their conspiracy theory should be accorded some weight (because it's “happened before”.) They do not pause to reflect that the conspiracies they are touting are almost always far more unlikely and complicated than the real-life conspiracies with which they make comparison, or that the fact that something might potentially happen does not, in and of itself, make it anything other than extremely unlikely.
10. It's always a conspiracy. And it is, isn't it? No sooner has the body been discovered, the bomb gone off, than the same people are producing the same old stuff, demanding that there are questions which need to be answered, at the same unbearable length. Because the most important thing about these people is that they are people entirely lacking in discrimination. They cannot tell a good theory from a bad one, they cannot tell good evidence from bad evidence and they cannot tell a good source from a bad one. And for that reason, they always come up with the same answer when they ask the same question.
M4tad0r, I would be more than happy to go to any area you want on 9/11 but first you must address your failures:
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies at colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
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In addition to not knowing the how our defense system worked that day, you also don't know how to use the "quote" feature on this forum today.
Perhaps you can ask a 6th grader to help you.
In the meantime do you have anything of substance to back up any of your absurd claims?
Still can't back up what you can you?
This is something a 6th grader would say.
Well Perhaps You As A Highly Skilled 6th Grader could help explain how to
Properly use the Quote Feature. -- That Would Be Good.
And it would also Help You No End as You are clearly Struggling To Read My Post.
A Few Years More at School Should Help that for You.
As I don't know How your Defence System Worked on that fateful Day or indeed Now
Maybe You Would Be So Kind As To Explain Just How Well The Defence System Worked
That Day In Not Preventing The Crash Into The Pentagon.
To Someone uneducated on Your Marvellous Defence System.
I Still Say It Didn't Work - As No Planes Were Stopped & Nothing Was defended.
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The greatest lie to the American public ever, in order to get the Nation to back a series of wars, give up their security and liberties, and the rest is history.
Since that day the US is still at war. Americans are treated like criminals in their own airports. The NSA has the ability to see anyone and everyone's private info thanks to technology. Last but not least there's a scapegoat to make it all plausible...al quaeda. Well that one got old, so now it's ISIS. It feels like pro wrestling, where the heels (bad guy gimmicks) are scripted overnight and you guys buy it up.
Like I said before, if you can honestly watch a documentary like loose change, or zeitgeist and can't question anything about these events, there is a problem with you. If you were less than 13-14 years of age when this happened (2001) let alone born, you need to shut the fuck up on this issue. There can be kids online or wherever, who are teenagers now, but weren't born when this happened. You simply do not understand the magnitude of what these events changed in modern history. The life we all live in now in north America is shifted and affected by this. And so you can imagine the reality of a government staging an attack on its own soil, making it look like it was an "enemy" and killing many in the process is a pretty big deal. People grew soft. This is the type of thing that could get the public to back the country into war. Nothing less would suffice. I agree it's a serious matter and everyone should stand on the side of justice, the only problem is you were (we were all) lied to about that day.
Why a government chooses to "classify" documents and then release them to the public 30-40 years later is insane. Case in point operation northwoods in the 1960's . You can see that way back then, the US had no problem provoking an attack on Cuba based on a false flag. Look back at how Hitler gained power after the Reichstag building burned down. Its nothing new, history repeats itself, but idiots everywhere are too stupid to see for themselves.
Those who don't learn from history are damned to repeat it.
Apparently these are all just coincidences ::)
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So a few years ago at a family get together I was talking to a guy who does demolitions all over the US. We finally got on the subject of WTC 7. This is basically what he said.
1. It was brought down with explosives.
2. This would have taken months of expert planning
3. He said he would never publically talk about it to anyone.
He honestly freaked me out a little the way he told me.
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That perfectly round hole is from a cruise missile with a penetrating warhead on it. Period.... Where are the marks from the wings? Where are the wings, they surely didn't just fold up and follow the plane in the hole did they?
The question about the wings is a good one, yes. Explanations have been pitched for that, no doubt, but will have a better look at what they were. I do recall those often start with, "it's not going to make an airplane-shaped cutout", as though the only possible alternative is so dumb as that to think.
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WTC 7 is a textbook controlled demolition. It fell at free fall speed into its own footprint. How was it reported on the news to have collapsed 25 minutes before it actually did? Because the news was scripted, and it was a planned controlled demo. The news fucked up and reported it too early. How can anyone watch this video of the collapse and not come to the conclusion it was a controlled demo?
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So a few years ago at a family get together I was talking to a guy who does demolitions all over the US. We finally got on the subject of WTC 7. This is basically what he said.
1. It was brought down with explosives.
2. This would have taken months of expert planning
3. He said he would never publically talk about it to anyone.
He honestly freaked me out a little the way he told me.
Months of planning and dozens of people. Why hasn't a single person stepped forward and blown the whistle?
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Months of planning and dozens of people. Why hasn't a single person stepped forward and blown the whistle?
Do you have any idea how many people work for intelligence agencies? For USA or other countries?
It's not hard to stay tight lipped when you:
A) have a job or military training where you are constantly operating in secrecy day in day out.
B) Paid a shit load of money for what you do. It helps if you don't give a shit and trust me there are more people than you know who fall in that category especially if they're not AMERICAN...
C) Work for such an organization (CIA or equivalent) and you know the extent of their power, and reach. Speaking out wouldn't end well for you and possibly loved ones.
I am not one to automatically entertain every single "theory" but employees of the towers did give statements in which
they attest to certain floors of the WTC 1 & 2 being "blocked off" for weeks. No elevator access to those floors, and they also
heard lots and lots of heavy machinery, objects being moved day after day. Also there was a complete power-down the weekend
right before 9/11. All security systems were paralyzed for over 48 hours. Not long after Larry Silverstien purchased the towers, bomb
sniffing dogs were removed from the security detail as well.
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Do you have any idea how many people work for intelligence agencies? For USA or other countries?
It's not hard to stay tight lipped when you:
A) have a job or military training where you are constantly operating in secrecy day in day out.
B) Paid a shit load of money for what you do. It helps if you don't give a shit and trust me there are more people than you know who fall in that category especially if they're not AMERICAN...
C) Work for such an organization (CIA or equivalent) and you know the extent of their power, and reach. Speaking out wouldn't end well for you and possibly loved ones.
I am not one to automatically entertain every single "theory" but employees of the towers did give statements in which
they attest to certain floors of the WTC 1 & 2 being "blocked off" for weeks. No elevator access to those floors, and they also
heard lots and lots of heavy machinery, objects being moved day after day. Also there was a complete power-down the weekend
right before 9/11. All security systems were paralyzed for over 48 hours. Not long after Larry Silverstien purchased the towers, bomb
sniffing dogs were removed from the security detail as well.
Links to all this info? Not heresay links, but legitimate links.
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Also, one other story that I only knew about recently is that in the period leading up to 9/11,
a group of Israelis (non-U.S. citizens) managed to secure “temporary construction” passes to
perform work on the 91st floor.
Apparently long forgotten is this 2002 Daily Mail story about the U.S. arresting and deporting
200 Israelis, some of whom posed as “art students,” for spying and espionage activities in the lead up to 9/11.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/1387069/US-arrests-200-young-Israelis-in-spying-investigation.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/1387069/US-arrests-200-young-Israelis-in-spying-investigation.html)
Also new york times covered these art studens:
http://www.gelitin.net/uploaded/PDF/B-Thing/NYT180801.pdf (http://www.gelitin.net/uploaded/PDF/B-Thing/NYT180801.pdf)
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Links to all this info? Not heresay links, but legitimate links.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DegLpgJmFL8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DegLpgJmFL8)
Start at 2:47, and watch for 3-4 mins they talk about mostly what I said. Testimony from the employees, maintenance workers.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DegLpgJmFL8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DegLpgJmFL8)
Start at 2:47, and watch for 3-4 mins they talk about mostly what I said. Testimony from the employees, maintenance workers.
Under the same guise we can assume bigfoot, space aliens, ghosts, chupacabra and the loch ness monster are real, correct?
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Do you have any idea how many people work for intelligence agencies? For USA or other countries?
It's not hard to stay tight lipped when you:
A) have a job or military training where you are constantly operating in secrecy day in day out.
B) Paid a shit load of money for what you do. It helps if you don't give a shit and trust me there are more people than you know who fall in that category especially if they're not AMERICAN...
C) Work for such an organization (CIA or equivalent) and you know the extent of their power, and reach. Speaking out wouldn't end well for you and possibly loved ones.
I am not one to automatically entertain every single "theory" but employees of the towers did give statements in which
they attest to certain floors of the WTC 1 & 2 being "blocked off" for weeks. No elevator access to those floors, and they also
heard lots and lots of heavy machinery, objects being moved day after day. Also there was a complete power-down the weekend
right before 9/11. All security systems were paralyzed for over 48 hours. Not long after Larry Silverstien purchased the towers, bomb
sniffing dogs were removed from the security detail as well.
The families who had members that perished in the twin towers, more than 3000 who settled out court thanks to the Zionist Jews, how much you think they paid them? We will never know. Only 100 families wanted a criminal investigation which was never conducted. The FBI never charged Bin laden with 9/11 although there was a bounty on his head for 25 millions in the 90's. This are facts, no conspiracies theories.
Another example of people not coming forward is the NSA, out of the thousands of people that work there how many have come forward on the illegal wiretapping of American citizens? 1 and now he's hiding in Russia, lol.
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A criminal investigation is what is need to be open on 9/11 so testimony and evidence can come together in a court of law and everything would be reveled and put to rest so all this CT's can shut up, lol.
Thing that would come to light, all the footage of the pentagon.
The information on the black boxes.
All the testimony of witnesses who heard explosion, the planes, conclusion presented, models used in the reports from Nist and all other goverment bodies presented as well so it could be peer review by institutions of higher learning.
I guarantee all of this nonsense of conspiracies would go away because it wouldn't be back up by intelligent people, and people with career that continue to see the inconsistencies on 9/11, not just some internet losers.
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Photos on day of 9/11. Bush sure looks relaxed speaking to the national air guard after the buildings were hit.
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/160509135104-07-george-w-bush-911-super-169.jpg)
Cheney is smirking. Fucking asshole
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/160509135228-15-george-w-bush-911-super-169.jpg)
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Months of planning and dozens of people. Why hasn't a single person stepped forward and blown the whistle?
Compartmentalization.
Bernard Maddoff, Enron, BP and the gulf incident. Not to mention those people would be in fear of losing their life. Mosad are not to be taking lightly, they specialized in assassination.
The 1972 Summer Olympics incident and aftermath is another good example.
The planification could have been done by the FBI or even our own military on a way to study how could terrorist destroy the twin towers, since they failed on '93.
Our military are continuously making studies on all types of contingencies all around the world.
Here is example of way back on 1962 during the Kennedy presidency: Operation Mongoose, a series of secret covert operation against Cuba. Imagine what they have now as top secret contingencies plans.
https://books.google.com/books?id=bglmOjrREOkC&pg=PA195&lpg=PA195&dq=contingencies+studies+by+the+pentagon&source=bl&ots=BWKcgIJdzM&sig=vKwnTw2GD9GWYAI4wZ8waMpTlJ8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwicmPLB6c_MAhVLmx4KHTN3CGoQ6AEIODAE#v=onepage&q=contingencies%20studies%20by%20the%20pentagon&f=false
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Compartmentalization.
Bernard Maddoff, Enron, BP and the gulf incident. Not to mention those people would be in fear of losing their life. Mosad are not to be taking lightly, they specialized in assassination.
The 1972 Summer Olympics incident and aftermath is another good example.
Chaos thinks they hire random people who like to talk. Not spies who are trained for decades who barely know the line between truth and fiction anymore. Those that wanted to talk are deep sixed next to Osama's body.
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Under the same guise we can assume bigfoot, space aliens, ghosts, chupacabra and the loch ness monster are real, correct?
What guise? You don't believe the witness testimonies, that's fine. Your prerogative to do so.
Then you have video evidence of of cleanup crews pulling molten steel out of the wreckage.
Almost every part of the towers is pulverized and steel beams are cut at angles. Firefighters
and first responders (over 100 have gone on record) saying there were MULTIPLE secondary explosions.
Nano-termite found in the rubble, Debris and human remains ejected up to 600 feet away from the
towers although it's supposed to be a "collapse". (downward). Squibbs bursting out of windows, temperatures
that were insanely hot that burned under rubble for over 3 months.
There are just so many factors that point to a controlled demolition, and when I show you videos
of people within the towers testifying that there was suspicious noises, sounds etc, on restricted
floors, which coincides with many if not all of the previously mentioned points, you start babbling
nonsense about Bigfoot, aliens etc... is that supposed to make it seem as if the arguments presented
are not credible? Sure... ::)
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Chaos thinks they hire random people who like to talk. Not spies who are trained for decades who barely know the line between truth and fiction anymore. Those that wanted to talk are deep sixed next to Osama's body.
Blaha warned of this.
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Chaos thinks they hire random people who like to talk. Not spies who are trained for decades who barely know the line between truth and fiction anymore. Those that wanted to talk are deep sixed next to Osama's body.
Another fictional story from our beloved Government. The perpetrator of 9/11 which was never criminally charged, killed without the opportunity to surrender and his body dump in the ocean for fear of repercussion from extremist Islamic terrorist. What a joke.
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Another fictional story from our beloved Government. The perpetrator of 9/11 which was never criminally charged, killed without the opportunity to surrender and his body dump in the ocean for fear of repercussion from extremist Islamic terrorist. What a joke.
You'd think they'd want to capture him. They claim they had all this intel on the compound but then claim they were on a kill first mission because of fear of attacks. If they had enough intel I assume they knew the risk and couple have pulled him out alive. then no photos of him to prove a thing. Since then haven't 2 of the 6 Navy Seals died?
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Its as if the "killing" of Bin Laden was the final cherry on top of the FUCK YOU sundae they fed to the public...
The biggest joke of all, and people in America ate it up like a mindless elderly person being spoon-fed tapioca pudding.
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22 total so far, :o
"Why are 22 members of Navy SEAL Team 6 dead shortly after their unit killed Osama bin Laden?"
http://www.truthandaction.org/michael-savage-seal-team-6-assassinated-executed/
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Remember:
Loose lips sink ships!!!!! :-X
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What guise? You don't believe the witness testimonies, that's fine. Your prerogative to do so.
Then you have video evidence of of cleanup crews pulling molten steel out of the wreckage.
Almost every part of the towers is pulverized and steel beams are cut at angles. Firefighters
and first responders (over 100 have gone on record) saying there were MULTIPLE secondary explosions.
Nano-termite found in the rubble, Debris and human remains ejected up to 600 feet away from the
towers although it's supposed to be a "collapse". (downward). Squibbs bursting out of windows, temperatures
that were insanely hot that burned under rubble for over 3 months.
There are just so many factors that point to a controlled demolition, and when I show you videos
of people within the towers testifying that there was suspicious noises, sounds etc, on restricted
floors, which coincides with many if not all of the previously mentioned points, you start babbling
nonsense about Bigfoot, aliens etc... is that supposed to make it seem as if the arguments presented
are not credible? Sure... ::)
How many credible witnesses have seen bigfoot? Ufos? Space aliens?
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WTC 7 is a textbook controlled demolition. It fell at free fall speed into its own footprint. How was it reported on the news to have collapsed 25 minutes before it actually did? Because the news was scripted, and it was a planned controlled demo. The news fucked up and reported it too early. How can anyone watch this video of the collapse and not come to the conclusion it was a controlled demo?
completely wrong.
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Well Perhaps You As A Highly Skilled 6th Grader could help explain how to
Properly use the Quote Feature. -- That Would Be Good.
No, figure it out yourself.
And it would also Help You No End as You are clearly Struggling To Read My Post.
A Few Years More at School Should Help that for You.
Nope you misread my post. Wrong again.
As I don't know How your Defence System Worked on that fateful Day or indeed Now
Maybe You Would Be So Kind As To Explain Just How Well The Defence System Worked
That Day In Not Preventing The Crash Into The Pentagon.
You don't know how the defense system worked, but you feel qualified enough to say:
Thank Fcuk it wasn't Russia or China launching a Stealth Attack on America That Day
Chances are you'd be speaking another language now.
Which is an ignorant statement.
To Someone uneducated on Your Marvellous Defence System.
I Still Say It Didn't Work - As No Planes Were Stopped & Nothing Was defended.
I know exactly how it worked that day and why they were able to do what they did.
but you said this:
I've read countless books, nobody told me to, I did it on my own.. Why can't you? Instead you say fuck off. Childlike response. Everyone should be researching this because this event is the reason why we are still fighting wars today. I've listed off a few books I have read, why don't you read them?
So you read countless books on 9/11 and you don't know how or why our defense system failed?
Sounds like you are lying about reading books in the first place or the books you read are for 6th graders.
You are full of shit
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I will say it again
You CT'ers are cowards.
10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes
1. Arrogance. They are always fact-seekers, questioners, people who are trying to discover the truth: sceptics are always "sheep", patsies for Messrs Bush and Blair etc.
2. Relentlessness. They will always go on and on about a conspiracy no matter how little evidence they have to go on or how much of what they have is simply discredited. (Moreover, as per 1. above, even if you listen to them ninety-eight times, the ninety-ninth time, when you say "no thanks", you'll be called a "sheep" again.) Additionally, they have no capacity for precis whatsoever. They go on and on at enormous length.
3. Inability to answer questions. For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions from sceptics about the claims that they make.
4. Fondness for certain stock phrases. These include Cicero's "cui bono?" (of which it can be said that Cicero understood the importance of having evidence to back it up) and Conan Doyle's "once we have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however unlikely, must be the truth". What these phrases have in common is that they are attempts to absolve themselves from any responsibility to produce positive, hard evidence themselves: you simply "eliminate the impossible" (i.e. say the official account can't stand scrutiny) which means that the wild allegation of your choice, based on "cui bono?" (which is always the government) is therefore the truth.
5. Inability to employ or understand Occam's Razor. Aided by the principle in 4. above, conspiracy theorists never notice that the small inconsistencies in the accounts which they reject are dwarfed by the enormous, gaping holes in logic, likelihood and evidence in any alternative account.
6. Inability to tell good evidence from bad. Conspiracy theorists have no place for peer-review, for scientific knowledge, for the respectability of sources. The fact that a claim has been made by anybody, anywhere, is enough for them to reproduce it and demand that the questions it raises be answered, as if intellectual enquiry were a matter of responding to every rumour. While they do this, of course, they will claim to have "open minds" and abuse the sceptics for apparently lacking same.
7. Inability to withdraw. It's a rare day indeed when a conspiracy theorist admits that a claim they have made has turned out to be without foundation, whether it be the overall claim itself or any of the evidence produced to support it. Moreover they have a liking (see 3. above) for the technique of avoiding discussion of their claims by "swamping" - piling on a whole lot more material rather than respond to the objections sceptics make to the previous lot.
8. Leaping to conclusions. Conspiracy theorists are very keen indeed to declare the "official" account totally discredited without having remotely enough cause so to do. Of course this enables them to wheel on the Conan Doyle quote as in 4. above. Small inconsistencies in the account of an event, small unanswered questions, small problems in timing of differences in procedure from previous events of the same kind are all more than adequate to declare the "official" account clearly and definitively discredited. It goes without saying that it is not necessary to prove that these inconsistencies are either relevant, or that they even definitely exist.
9. Using previous conspiracies as evidence to support their claims. This argument invokes scandals like the Birmingham Six, the Bologna station bombings, the Zinoviev letter and so on in order to try and demonstrate that their conspiracy theory should be accorded some weight (because it's “happened before”.) They do not pause to reflect that the conspiracies they are touting are almost always far more unlikely and complicated than the real-life conspiracies with which they make comparison, or that the fact that something might potentially happen does not, in and of itself, make it anything other than extremely unlikely.
10. It's always a conspiracy. And it is, isn't it? No sooner has the body been discovered, the bomb gone off, than the same people are producing the same old stuff, demanding that there are questions which need to be answered, at the same unbearable length. Because the most important thing about these people is that they are people entirely lacking in discrimination. They cannot tell a good theory from a bad one, they cannot tell good evidence from bad evidence and they cannot tell a good source from a bad one. And for that reason, they always come up with the same answer when they ask the same question.
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completely wrong.
OZMO "the american" full of rubbish, "legend on his own mind" Government dick rider's logic 101 who now claims been debunking 9/11 CT's for 9 years. ::) HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHHAHAHAA
Man up and shut da fuck up!!!
All you been doing is getting:
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Did you know cat dicks are barbed and they destroy the inside of the female kitten's pussy?
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Did you know cat dicks are barbed and they destroy the inside of the female kitten's pussy?
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No I did not, thank you for clearing it up. ;D
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OZMO "the american" full of rubbish, "legend on his own mind" Government dick rider's logic 101 who now claims been debunking 9/11 CT's for 9 years. ::) HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHHAHAHAA
Man up and shut da fuck up!!!
All you been doing is getting:
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These are things YOU claimed and they have been shown to be WRONG:
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
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No I did not, thank you for clearing it up. ;D
Kinda like a missile projectile into the side of the pentagon
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completely wrong.
"It's a rare day indeed when a conspiracy theorist admits that a claim they have made has turned out to be without foundation" Tell that to the 9/11 commision you retard, lol.
Steel beam skyscraper implodes into it's own footprint in 7 seconds due to office fire, and the model that replicated such event took 7 years to cook, and to this day Nist have turn down all Foia's to have it peer reviewed.
Classic case of Government dick rider's logic 101
Ozmo all you bee doing is getting:
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Kinda like a missile projectile into the side of the pentagon
Yes like the missile, thanks for clearing that up too. But...
What ever happened to the engines?
And the black box?
Thank you in advance.
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These are things YOU claimed and they have been shown to be WRONG:
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
Fact: too stupid to understand when you are been trolled.
Fact: too stupid to understand when you are been trolled.
Fact: Doesn't present any studies, facts or links of professors at places like MIT, Northwestern and Purdue universities discussing on why WTC's failed on 9/11.
OZMO "the american" full of rubbish, "legend on his own mind" Government dick rider's logic 101 who now claims been debunking 9/11 CT's for 9 years.
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"It's a rare day indeed when a conspiracy theorist admits that a claim they have made has turned out to be without foundation" Tell that to the 9/11 commision you retard, lol.
Steel been skyscraper implodes into it's own footprint in 7 seconds due to office fire, and the model that replicated such event took 7 years to cook, and to this day Nist have turn down all Foia's to have it peer reviewed.
Classic case of Government dick rider's logic 101
Ozmo all you bee doing is getting:
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wrong again!
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Fact: too stupid to understand when you are been trolled.
Fact: too stupid to understand when you are been trolled.
Fact: Doesn't present any studies, facts or links of professors at places like MIT, Northwestern and Purdue universities discussing on why WTC's failed on 9/11.
OZMO "the american" full of rubbish, "legend on his own mind" Government dick rider's logic 101 who now claims been debunking 9/11 CT's for 9 years.
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These are things YOU claimed and they have been shown to be WRONG:
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
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Which to date have not been released, keep at it imbecile. You getting somewhere.
the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA)
http://www.foia.gov/how-to.html
This is not Finland you moron.
So you want to see all confiscated security recordings just to see that there isn't anything in them? People buying gas at the gas station, people buying tobacco at the tobacco shop etc.? Why? Have they release all the security recordings from all other crimes, like school shootings, movie theater shooting, mass murders what you have there every other day etc.? Nope, they publish only what has something in it related to that crime. As I say, just a normal protocol, no matter how you try to falsify it.
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From Illuminate:
I'll give you that your are Good with the cut-n-paste etc with your answers.
What am I Afraid Of -- A Few Things Actually.
Though Certainly NOT YOU.
Is All You Can Do Is Resort To Imbecile Name Calling.
That is a Clue To A Very Educated & Intelligent Man...NOT.
I Have Said Already I Don't Know How The American Defense System Worked Back Then or in fact now.
The Simple Fact That 2 planes Hit The Twin Towers. ( Granted that would of Been very tough to prevent )
And 2 others -- 1, Brought down by the passengers, & The other Smashes into The Pentagon, Which they Clearly had enough time to track it's flight path & Try to communicate With.
I think Most Sane Rational Thinking People Would Say Was A Faliure Of A Defense System.
The Clue Is In The Words 'DEFENCE SYSTEMS'
Hmm Let The Plane Smash into One of The Most Important Buildings In America & Do Fcuk All About.
Great Defense System. Roll Eyes
Now Go Away --
Pls Feel Free to Call Me all the Childish Names You want.
And Show yourself up for what you are Some More. Wink
I call you names because you are insult of the intelligence of the humankind, because you are a foil hat moron, which are crap from the bottom of the gene pool. You have chosen by yourself that you are just that, it is a voluntary act, so blame yourself if you make people think you are an imbecile. They only react to your behavior, so whose fault is that? If you aren't moron, why do you act like one? Rant of 39 pages, and you are still believing to invisible explosions, because your blind faith? What you are doing there is one of the most complete self ownings in the history of the getbig ;D
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So you want to see all confiscated security recordings just to see that there isn't anything in them? People buying gas at the gas station, people buying tobacco at the tobacco shop etc.? Why? Have they release all the security recordings from all other crimes, like school shootings, movie theater shooting, mass murders what you have there every other day etc.? Nope, they publish only what has something in it related to that crime. As I say, just a normal protocol, no matter how you try to falsify it.
Ropo just shut that fuck up please!!! And yes everything is released eventually thanks to Foia requests, but you wouldn't know because you're a funking euro inbreed trolling us, do you get it?
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I call you names because you are insult of the intelligence of the humankind, because you are a foil hat moron, which are crap from the bottom of the gene pool. You have chosen by yourself that you are just that, it is a voluntary act, so blame yourself if you make people think you are an imbecile. They only react to your behavior, so whose fault is that? If you aren't moron, why do you act like one? Rant of 39 pages, and you are still believing to invisible explosions, because your blind faith? What you are doing there is one of the most complete self ownings in the history of the getbig ;D
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completely wrong.
Explain how... The building fell at free fall speed. It was a controlled demo, it isn't even debatable. Watch the video.. Also, I can't believe anyone thinks a building just falls totally and completely without being demolished. It does not happen. You would have a partial collapse. It would be asymmetrical. This is without question..
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You imbecile, the point is WTC6 stood while missing half of it, while building 7 across the street imploded in seconds. The other buildings around building 7, nothing. And all 3 buildings were lease by Larry Silverstein, who 6 weeks prior had taken insurance against terrorist attacks, but according to you: Coincidence!!!
Building 7:
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What a load of crap. Building 6 is between WTC 1 and 7, and it is only 28 meters high. When WTC 1 collapsed, part's of it hit the WTC 7, which is a proved fact. Damages of the WTC 6 came from that collapse, and 8 hours later, when WTC 7 collapsed.
What is so difficult to embed those videos in your messages? Even a child would know how, but your über intelligence cannot do it?
Just for you so you would learn how real explosions look like ;D
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So you want to see all confiscated security recordings just to see that there isn't anything in them? People buying gas at the gas station, people buying tobacco at the tobacco shop etc.? Why? Have they release all the security recordings from all other crimes, like school shootings, movie theater shooting, mass murders what you have there every other day etc.? Nope, they publish only what has something in it related to that crime. As I say, just a normal protocol, no matter how you try to falsify it.
Normal protocol? Bullshit.. Why release one video at the Pentagon? There's hundreds of cameras there.. Many better angles without a doubt. Yet they release the one shitty image, and you can still tell it's not a friggin jet.
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You are aware explosives explode, not implode?
Well, he thinks that invisible explosives implode, because imagination of the moron has no limits ;D
Later on the thread he is owning everybody because he is a child and it is important to his tiny little self-esteem, no matter if it makes him look like the pigeon on the chessboard...what he really is. Even in the bunch of foil hats is would be hard to find dumber one, so he must be some kind of elite foil hat ;D :o ::)
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Explain how... The building fell at free fall speed. It was a controlled demo, it isn't even debatable. Watch the video.. Also, I can't believe anyone thinks a building just falls totally and completely without being demolished. It does not happen. You would have a partial collapse. It would be asymmetrical. This is without question..
It didn't.
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Pigeons are smarter than truffers.
Sad, but this is proved fact.
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Explain how... The building fell at free fall speed. It was a controlled demo, it isn't even debatable. Watch the video.. Also, I can't believe anyone thinks a building just falls totally and completely without being demolished. It does not happen. You would have a partial collapse. It would be asymmetrical. This is without question..
I have no problem discussing this with you. However we are already in the middle of another issue. I will not play the CT jumping game. Pick a topic and we will can stay on it.
do you want to talk about thermite? Defense systems? Or WTC7 now? Or something else?
You pick.
Well Perhaps You As A Highly Skilled 6th Grader could help explain how to
Properly use the Quote Feature. -- That Would Be Good.
No, figure it out yourself.
And it would also Help You No End as You are clearly Struggling To Read My Post.
A Few Years More at School Should Help that for You.
Nope you misread my post. Wrong again.
As I don't know How your Defence System Worked on that fateful Day or indeed Now
Maybe You Would Be So Kind As To Explain Just How Well The Defence System Worked
That Day In Not Preventing The Crash Into The Pentagon.
You don't know how the defense system worked, but you feel qualified enough to say:
Thank Fcuk it wasn't Russia or China launching a Stealth Attack on America That Day
Chances are you'd be speaking another language now.
Which is an ignorant statement.
To Someone uneducated on Your Marvellous Defence System.
I Still Say It Didn't Work - As No Planes Were Stopped & Nothing Was defended.
I know exactly how it worked that day and why they were able to do what they did.
but you said this:
I've read countless books, nobody told me to, I did it on my own.. Why can't you? Instead you say fuck off. Childlike response. Everyone should be researching this because this event is the reason why we are still fighting wars today. I've listed off a few books I have read, why don't you read them?
So you read countless books on 9/11 and you don't know how or why our defense system failed?
Sounds like you are lying about reading books in the first place or the books you read are for 6th graders.
You are full of shit
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Pilot Who Flew The Airplanes That Crashed on 9/11 Speaks Out!
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Yet another bullshit video from the funny farm of foil hat morons? Do you really think that digging up that crap helps you at any way, while you haven't been able to prove even a single explosion at the 9/11 attack? When you will learn to embed those videos as they should? Ask you mom, I bet she can do it..
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15 years later in the hi tech studio, and all the can do is crappy picture like that? So you mean that 15 years earlier they were able to make that illusion in the bright daylight...flying planes etc., Are you mad? I mean really, I know you are one of the stupidest people alive, and probably completely insane, but it is just amazing to see how you guys reach time after time even deeper levels of idiotism..
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Where were the 2 humongous engines? Since when does a jet fuselage penetrate 4 rings of the pentagon? If there is no debris from the plane and it just evaporated, how did it penetrate 4 rings of the Pentagon? Impossible.. Cruise missile with a penetrating warhead. The hole in the Pentagon starts at the base, on the ground... How did the plane get that low without the engines hitting the ground? Physically impossible. The engines would have hit the ground causing the plane to crash before it reached the Pentagon's outer wall. This all assuming the plane could maneuver that low at that speed, which again was physically impossible. This is shit any 6th grader knows. My God wake up people...
Hey stupid, where is the explosions from the WTC towers? Concentrate to find any video filmed that day, where you can really see an explosion, which obeys the laws of physics. When you have find that, then you could ask stupid questions about the other details. What is wrong in all foil hat speculation is the fact, that they think things are proved when someone say they are. I bet you haven't seen even one explosions in the 9/11 videos, and you don't even bother to look, because of your blind faith. Go and look, and you find none. That would be good place to start, if you have some kind of brains.
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Ropo you're a good dude and you've presented your evidence and made your points. I can't fault you for any of that.
BUT using Micheal Moore as a source for any opinion is a poor decision. Very few schools in the states have metal detectors, I get it that it shouldn't be an issue at all, but it's not like that's a way of life for 95% of the population.
So you hate Moore because you don't like his films? Like Sicko, which later is seen to be correct in any information it present? He isn't liked here because people here in getbig doesn't have enough brains to understand his films at all, but anybody who have some kind of brains he would be quite good source. Can you prove he isn't? Of course you can't, you just dislike him like everybody here, because what they have wrote about him. I like his movies and I have the brains to check the facts, so I know he is hated mostly because of the prejudices of the morons.
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Yet another bullshit video from the funny farm of foil hat morons? Do you really think that digging up that crap helps you at any way, while you haven't been able to prove even a single explosion at the 9/11 attack? When you will learn to embed those videos as they should? Ask you mom, I bet she can do it..
Goverment Dick Riders Logic 101, when confronted with facts: Coincidence!!!!
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Do your own research means actually sit down and listen to both sides of the argument.
Everyone knows the CNN, NBC and CBS reports. We all saw the news. Everyone know that account. We've all been subject to endless loops of video on the news, and you take that as the absolute truth and thats it... You owe it to yourself to visit the other side of the argument. I once thought it was inconceivable to think some of the things people say about the events on that day, but once you actually listen to the details of just a 45 minute breakdown, you see how much information was withed, or just impossible.
Fact of the matter is, so many points are contradicted, and well laid out in various documentaries... Simply criticizing someone because they can't put it into words, and you're too lazy to look at well made documentary is just plain stupid. Even in the court of law, both parties are given equal times to state their case. Give both sides a shot. Not me, not Matador, or others making claims here. I'm not saying you should believe my analysis, I can't summarize the things i've seen just WATCH a properly structured documentary and try not to smoke meth that morning with your trailer park friends and some new things will be made aware to you.
If you haven't listened to the arguments of the qualified professionals who contradict the official story, and you simply dismiss them; the fault is all yours for not being educated on the subject.
I've watched a handful of documentaries, and this one here (not finished yet) is insanely in-depth, and if you only take 10% of the points they bring up, you'll see how the events of 9/11 (what's officially on record / hidden from record) are fabricated like a house of cards.
HIGHLY RECOMMEND THIS: (Available in youtube in 3 parts) or 1 long video of nearly 4.5 hours. The first 1.5 hours will be enough to have you interested, and that's not even covering the WTC yet.
(http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/911-pearl-harbor-400x320.jpg)
Even NIST (National Institute of Standards and Tech) - the guys who claim that steel didn't need to melt, it just needed to be weakened, doesn't even acknowledge having a recorded temperature that is even close enough to do so. See the 3 temps below (Temp required to melt, soften, an the officially temperature NIST says occurred in the WTC...) This is like 1/50 points that are brought up in this documentary, it's nuts to conceive that such bullshit made it through in the official reports as plausible causes for the way the events happened...
Do your head hurts when you try to think? Well, I explain it like you would be first grader: Art of working with steel is about 3000 years old, so what do you think? Would there be handbooks which has all information needed, and which prove what kind of temperatures is needed to weaken the steel? There isn't any mystique in it, it is fucking common knowledge for everybody who has any fucking kind of basic education. So do you really need a NIST to tell you what are the critical temperatures for steel structure? Take any fucking handbook or read the fucking specks from the web page where they are selling steel. It is all there for anyone to find, and it has been in the books hundreds of years. Only people who don't know it, is foil hat morons, because they are morons.
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What a load of crap. Building 6 is between WTC 1 and 7, and it is only 28 meters high. When WTC 1 collapsed, part's of it hit the WTC 7, which is a proved fact. Damages of the WTC 6 came from that collapse, and 8 hours later, when WTC 7 collapsed.
What is so difficult to embed those videos in your messages? Even a child would know how, but your über intelligence cannot do it?
Just for you so you would learn how real explosions look like ;D
Demolition, not explosions. And tell me if you don't see the similar sign of smoke when the Twin towers came down, would more than gladly point it out for you.
You are still a retarded inbreed from Finland. Keep trolling imbecile!!!
Ropo the retarded inbreed that just keeps given.
Forever:
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Former FBI chief Ted Gundersen says 9/11 was an inside job
Where is the video about the explosions at the WTC towers?
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911-Conspiracy Finally Solved!: Names, Connections, Motives, 911Matrix of Details Exposed!
Where is the video about the explosions at the WTC towers?
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911 Investigators and Witnesses are Being Killed!.mp4
Where is the video about the explosions at the WTC towers? Are you really so fucking stupid that you can't find one?
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9/11 Incontrovertible Proof the Government is Lying
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8 weeks after the buildings came down, there were still fires going on under the ruble!!!
Where is the video about the explosions at the WTC towers? Really? Incompetent fucking tool, and you are owning people here with that crap you moron can't even link correctly? Kill yourself..
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Where is the video about the explosions at the WTC towers?
Hundreds of eye-witnesses testify that the Twin Towers were Blown Up with Bombs
Keep at it imbecile!!!
Your retardation, it shows:
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Why so hostile? I at first believed the official story of 9/11 before I actually looked at the evidence. I've read countless books, nobody told me to, I did it on my own.. Why can't you? Instead you say fuck off. Childlike response. Everyone should be researching this because this event is the reason why we are still fighting wars today. I've listed off a few books I have read, why don't you read them? Too lazy? It's impossible to list off every single thing I've read here, nor should I have to. The information is everwhere, it's up to you to educate yourself. Or, you can continue to hurl insults and act like a child here. The evidence is overwhelming that our government did this... If you're too lazy to read, look no further than the controlled demolition of WTC 7. That one piece of evidence confirms inside job... You're clearly the one that doesn't have a clue. I might suggest you get one....
Here is couple of book you should read: "Elementary physics" and "Chemistry for pre school". After reading those you would be asking yourself how there isn't any visible signs of explosions at any 9/11 videos. You see, explosion is chemical reaction which do only what the laws of physics allows it to do and because of that, you would see it with no doubt at all. The absence of the all visual marks of explosion proves 100% sure, that there wasn't any explosions, and by that is quite clear that foil hat bullshit is just bullshit. These guys aren't normal, they are insane perverts, and insanely stupid as well.
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WTC 7 is a textbook controlled demolition. It fell at free fall speed into its own footprint. How was it reported on the news to have collapsed 25 minutes before it actually did? Because the news was scripted, and it was a planned controlled demo. The news fucked up and reported it too early. How can anyone watch this video of the collapse and not come to the conclusion it was a controlled demo?
Either here is a convention of the morons who can't embed youtube videos in the comments, or you are gimmick of that other foil hat imbecile M4tad0r? Quite lame, really..You share the stupidity, you share the arguments, you are equally incompetent fools, so have to be one and same person because that kind or retardness isn't common at all ;D
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Here is couple of book you should read: "Elementary physics" and "Chemistry for pre school". After reading those you would be asking yourself how there isn't any visible signs of explosions at any 9/11 videos. You see, explosion is chemical reaction which do only what the laws of physics allows it to do and because of that, you would see it with no doubt at all. The absence of the all visual marks of explosion proves 100% sure, that there wasn't any explosions, and by that is quite clear that foil hat bullshit is just bullshit. These guys aren't normal, they are insane perverts, and insanely stupid as well.
9/11 Debunker Gets His Ass Handed To Him By Richard Gage
7th grade physics here in the USA. Do you get it? Imbecile!!!
Stupid, what kind are you?:
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Either here is a convention of the morons who can't embed youtube videos in the comments, or you are gimmick of that other foil hat imbecile M4tad0r? Quite lame, really..You share the stupidity, you share the arguments, you are equally incompetent fools, so have to be one and same person because that kind or retardness isn't common at all ;D
Too Stupid to Know They’re Stupid
I keep running across these numbnuts who really are too stupid to know just how stupid they actually are. You know the kind of people I mean, the ones whose idiocy makes your head explode?
http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/2016/04/20/stupid-know-theyre-stupid/
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Here is couple of book you should read: "Elementary physics" and "Chemistry for pre school". After reading those you would be asking yourself how there isn't any visible signs of explosions at any 9/11 videos. You see, explosion is chemical reaction which do only what the laws of physics allows it to do and because of that, you would see it with no doubt at all. The absence of the all visual marks of explosion proves 100% sure, that there wasn't any explosions, and by that is quite clear that foil hat bullshit is just bullshit. These guys aren't normal, they are insane perverts, and insanely stupid as well.
Remember this is man who claims to have read countless books on 9/11 but doesn't know how our defense system worked that day.
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Remember this is man who claims to have read countless books on 9/11 but doesn't know how our defense system worked that day.
How To Destroy a 9/11 Truther: Coincidence!!!
Ozmo "the american" full of rubbish,
"The legend on his own mind" Government dick rider's logic 101: Coincidence!!! ::) who's been debunking CT's for 9 years!!!
That's what you have been doing this whole time, getting exposed.
Man up & shut da fuck up!!!
All you been doing is getting:
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Here is couple of book you should read: "Elementary physics" and "Chemistry for pre school". After reading those you would be asking yourself how there isn't any visible signs of explosions at any 9/11 videos. You see, explosion is chemical reaction which do only what the laws of physics allows it to do and because of that, you would see it with no doubt at all. The absence of the all visual marks of explosion proves 100% sure, that there wasn't any explosions, and by that is quite clear that foil hat bullshit is just bullshit. These guys aren't normal, they are insane perverts, and insanely stupid as well.
Blacksmith Spoof Video
7th grade physics here in the USA. Do you get it now? Idiot!!!
Ropo, our retarded inbred from Finland.
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Just to make clear which hole is which, here are a few pics. This pic is actually from the wall of the C ring, which is two rings inside from the exterior (streets run through the Pentagon and that's why the parking sign).
(http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/docs/exit2.jpg)
Another angle. You can see in the background that it is in the ring:
(http://911review.org/brad.com/pentagon/pic/912_A-EDrive4.JPG)
I'd say this hole officially has (or has had) three competing explanations for it. One says it was the final stop for the front-most cone of the plane, another says it is from loose landing gear, and a third says it is from an engine.
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How To Destroy a 9/11 Truther: Coincidence!!!
Ozmo "the american" full of rubbish,
"The legend on his own mind" Government dick rider's logic 101: Coincidence!!! ::) who's been debunking CT's for 9 years!!!
That's what you have been doing this whole time, getting exposed.
Man up & shut da fuck up!!!
All you been doing is getting:
(http://www.buymarsproperty.com/owned/owned_roadkill.jpg)
These are things YOU claimed and they have been shown to be WRONG:
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
this is not going away :D
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The last post was the interior. As for the exterior:
When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report.
(http://www.wtfrly.com/wp-content/911truth/911pentagonhole1.jpg)
Then, shortly afterward:
The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact...
(http://www.newstarget.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/43/2016/04/Pentagon.jpg)
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The last post was the interior. As for the exterior:
(http://www.wtfrly.com/wp-content/911truth/911pentagonhole1.jpg)
Then, shortly afterward:
(http://www.newstarget.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/43/2016/04/Pentagon.jpg)
Don't forget to ask what ever happened to the engines and the black box?
(http://www.generadormemes.com/media/created/x09d4u0nfqrmbudc40pgmfx05o4yw7stkhg7ykyxhswxst65t9f8nvmwq3bsdu1.jpg)
Ozmo, Ropo the retard, on it, we need the official 9/11 commission report explanation on the dot, I can't find it.
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Don't forget to ask what ever happened to the engines and the black box?
Ozmo, Ropo the retard, on it, we need the official 9/11 commission report explanation on the dot, I can't find it.
(http://statcdn.fandango.com/MPX/image/NBCU_Fandango/371/731/Nacho_14971__535774.jpg)
The picture that's associated with the maintenance-manual diagram, is of a combustion chamber, FWIW.
As for the Black Box, here is the claim:
Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box."
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Has anyone else ever seen this picture?
(http://i962.photobucket.com/albums/ae107/sniperNZSAS/77-1.jpg)
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Don't forget to ask what ever happened to the engines and the black box?
(http://www.generadormemes.com/media/created/x09d4u0nfqrmbudc40pgmfx05o4yw7stkhg7ykyxhswxst65t9f8nvmwq3bsdu1.jpg)
Ozmo, Ropo the retard, on it, we need the official 9/11 commission report explanation on the dot, I can't find it.
(http://)
These are things YOU claimed and they have been shown to be WRONG:
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
this is not going away :D
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The picture that's associated with the maintenance-manual diagram, is of a combustion chamber, FWIW.
As for the Black Box, here is the claim:
It is public knowledge that each black box has a serial number that identifies the type of plane that it belongs to, I wonder why the official 9/11 commission report omitted such number and the content of the black box? National security? Many question not that many answers.
Ozmo, Ropo the retard on it!!!
(http://s.quickmeme.com/img/b3/b33a41a4860600f3755dc1da1cb589f9e39acc37643744d9fdc2f2b47a391164.jpg)
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It is public knowledge that each black box has a serial number that identifies the type of plane that it belongs to, I wonder why the official 9/11 commission report omitted such number and the content of the black box? National security? Many question not that many answers.
Ozmo, Ropo the retard on it!!!
(http://s.quickmeme.com/img/b3/b33a41a4860600f3755dc1da1cb589f9e39acc37643744d9fdc2f2b47a391164.jpg)
These are things YOU claimed and they have been shown to be WRONG:
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
this is not going away :D
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The last post was the interior. As for the exterior:
(http://www.wtfrly.com/wp-content/911truth/911pentagonhole1.jpg)
Then, approximately 20 minutes later:
(http://www.newstarget.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/43/2016/04/Pentagon.jpg)
Something very powerful in the first picture, is the fact that the area associated with the wing-damage is exactly as would be expected from that. In other words: toward the tip of the wing, the building support columns won. Toward the strongest part of the wing and including it, the support columns lost.
The other wing's said to have been sheared off on the ground.
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The last post was the interior. As for the exterior:
(http://www.wtfrly.com/wp-content/911truth/911pentagonhole1.jpg)
Then, shortly afterward:
(http://www.newstarget.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/43/2016/04/Pentagon.jpg)
Did the building have a fake facade. Why Windows on the interior walls here the hole was made. Is it just a cushion facade just for this type of impact?
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Did the building have a fake facade. Why Windows on the interior walls here the hole was made. Is it just a cushion facade just for this type of impact?
To say it was relatively weak on the outside, you mean?
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Has anyone else ever seen this picture?
(http://i962.photobucket.com/albums/ae107/sniperNZSAS/77-1.jpg)
This one is next. I know enough to say that most of the visual data in this picture is directly from the video that we've all seen. The question is whether someone added to it.
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Something very powerful in the first picture, is the fact that the area associated with the wing-damage is exactly as would be expected from that. In other words: toward the tip of the wing, the building support columns won. Toward the strongest part of the wing and including it, the support columns lost.
The other wing's said to have been sheared off on the ground.
Good points, a clear path is emerging now, but? As for the whole inside the pentagon, we know that the front of the plane is like paper, and is the first thing to be crash like a tin can on contact, so the question is, was the whole we see in the pictures on the outer walls made by the engine which is not shown, or could be the smaller plane shot a missile before contact to secure maximum destruction to that wing of the pentagon where they hosted the team that was investigating the 2 trillion dollars that was not accounted which Donal Rumsfeld was on TV asking for?
Do you think Rumsfeld was in it in the 9/11 deception? Or was more of a Dick Cheney, Bush and Zionist Jews connection who did it?
To date nothing has been dug up on Rumsfeld, can't find any corruption going on with him, and he did get kick out of the Government before Bush Jr second term came to an end. Colin Powell did show to be an useful idiot as well when he gave the Presentation to the UN Security Council On Iraq's WMD Program.
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Good points, a clear path is emerging now, but? As for the whole inside the pentagon, we know that the front of the plane is like paper, and is the first thing to be crash like a tin can on contact, so the question is, was the whole we see in the pictures on the outer walls made by the engine which is not shown, or could be the smaller plane shot a missile before contact to secure maximum destruction to that wing of the pentagon where they hosted the team that was investigating the 2 trillion dollars that was not accounted which Donal Rumsfeld was on TV asking for?
Do you think Rumsfeld was in it in the 9/11 deception? Or was more of a Dick Cheney, Bush and Zionist Jews connection who did it?
To date nothing has been dug up on Rumsfeld, can't find any corruption going on with him, and he did get kick out of the Government before Bush Jr second term came to an end. Colin Powell did show to be an useful idiot as well when he gave the Presentation to the UN Security Council On Iraq's WMD Program.
Here we go with this invisible missle again. ::)
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Normal protocol? Bullshit.. Why release one video at the Pentagon? There's hundreds of cameras there..
I keep seeing this, can any one of you actually prove there are hundreds of cameras pointing at the Pentagon ???
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This one is next. I know enough to say that most of the visual data in this picture is directly from the video that we've all seen. The question is whether someone added to it.
too blurry to tell, we would need a technician on imaging and film to do some forensic work, any Getbigger up for it?
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Here we go with this invisible missle again. ::)
Instead of mumbling about the missile, why don't you give us your thoughts on the whole on the outer wall of the Pentagon then, eh? Be helpful, don't be a troll.
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just watched the video on the first page...very chillin
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Here we go with this invisible missle again. ::)
There is one hole in the pentagon, and it penetrated all but one ring. A jet does not do that, it's physically impossible. Only a missile with some type of penetrating warhead is capable of that. I'll ask again. If the plane did it where is it? If it was strong enough to penetrate like that, then where is it? If it evaporated, then it wouldn't be strong enough to penetrate 4 rings of the pentagon. It's really unbelievable this has to be explained. The official story is total bullshit. The most protected building on earth, knowing we were under attack that day....nothing would get close to it without being shot down, period. The pentagon does have its own defense system, so what happened? Someone gave an order to stand down, otherwise if it was a plane, it would have been shot down...period. Of course it was a missile with a penetrating warhead that did this damage. One neat, round hole, that isn't even close to the size of a jet fuselage. It's right at the base, a jet would have been dragging its engines on the ground to hit the base of the building. Any pilot will tell you it was physically impossible for that jet to fly at that speed anywhere near that close to the ground. The jet simply couldn't do it. Not to mention, that is with a capable pilot. Hanjour, was a horrible pilot that couldn't fly a friggin Cessna.
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There is one hole in the pentagon, and it penetrated all but one ring. A jet does not do that, it's physically impossible. Only a missile with some type of penetrating warhead is capable of that. I'll ask again. If the plane did it where is it? If it was strong enough to penetrate like that, then where is it? If it evaporated, then it wouldn't be strong enough to penetrate 4 rings of the pentagon. It's really unbelievable this has to be explained. The official story is total bullshit. The most protected building on earth, knowing we were under attack that day....nothing would get close to it without being shot down, period. The pentagon does have its own defense system, so what happened? Someone gave an order to stand down, otherwise if it was a plane, it would have been shot down...period. Of course it was a missile with a penetrating warhead that did this damage. One neat, round hole, that isn't even close to the size of a jet fuselage. It's right at the base, a jet would have been dragging its engines on the ground to hit the base of the building. Any pilot will tell you it was physically impossible for that jet to fly at that speed anywhere near that close to the ground. The jet simply couldn't do it. Not to mention, that is with a capable pilot. Hanjour, was a horrible pilot that couldn't fly a friggin Cessna.
Wrong again.
But not surprising coming form a man who claims to have read countless books on 9/11 but doesn't even know how the air defense system worked that day.
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Compartmentalization.
Bernard Maddoff, Enron, BP and the gulf incident. Not to mention those people would be in fear of losing their life. Mosad are not to be taking lightly, they specialized in assassination.
The 1972 Summer Olympics incident and aftermath is another good example.
The planification could have been done by the FBI or even our own military on a way to study how could terrorist destroy the twin towers, since they failed on '93.
Our military are continuously making studies on all types of contingencies all around the world.
Here is example of way back on 1962 during the Kennedy presidency: Operation Mongoose, a series of secret covert operation against Cuba. Imagine what they have now as top secret contingencies plans.
https://books.google.com/books?id=bglmOjrREOkC&pg=PA195&lpg=PA195&dq=contingencies+studies+by+the+pentagon&source=bl&ots=BWKcgIJdzM&sig=vKwnTw2GD9GWYAI4wZ8waMpTlJ8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwicmPLB6c_MAhVLmx4KHTN3CGoQ6AEIODAE#v=onepage&q=contingencies%20studies%20by%20the%20pentagon&f=false
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Instead of mumbling about the missile, why don't you give us your thoughts on the whole on the outer wall of the Pentagon then, eh? Be helpful, don't be a troll.
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I think the Las Vegas quotes answered that at the top of this page didn't they?
Still waiting for witnessess that saw these missles flying overhead on their way to hit the Pentagon.
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THIS
No this....lol
Engineers don't design structures that size to be 'just strong enough'. That's ridiculous. And it's not the steel that protects the building from gravity, it's the concrete columns which have tremendous compressive strength. Steel is merely meant to keep the concrete from twisting apart and to protect its integrity from vector type forces. Any engineer will tell you that.
Physics!!!!! ;)
Again you are wrong. You are drawing conclusions from incorrect assumptions and inaccurate information. If you don't like the wiki proof there is more i can post from actual engineers to show how wrong you are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center)
The World Trade Center towers included many structural engineering innovations in skyscraper design and construction, which allowed the buildings to reach new heights and become the tallest in the world. Traditionally, skyscrapers used a skeleton of columns distributed throughout the interior to support building loads, with interior columns disrupting the floor space. The tube-frame concept, earlier introduced by Fazlur Khan, was a major innovation, allowing open floor plans and more space to rent. The buildings used high-strength, load-bearing perimeter steel columns called Vierendeel trusses that were spaced closely together to form a strong, rigid wall structure. There were 60 perimeter columns, narrowly spaced, on each side of the buildings. In all, the perimeter walls of the towers were 210 feet (64 m) on each side, and the corners were beveled. The perimeter columns were designed to provide support for virtually all lateral loads (such as wind loads) and to share the gravity loads with the core columns.[48] Structural analysis of major portions of the World Trade Center were computed on an IBM 1620.[49]
The perimeter structure was constructed with extensive use of prefabricated modular pieces, which consisted of three columns, three stories tall, connected by spandrel plates. The perimeter columns had a square cross section, 14 inches (36 cm) on a side, and were constructed of welded steel plate.[50] The thickness of the plates and grade of structural steel varied over the height of the tower, ranging from 36,000 to 100,000 pounds per square inch[51] (260 to 670 MPa). The strength of the steel and thickness of the steel plates decreased with height because they were required to support lesser amounts of building mass on higher floors.[50] The tube-frame design required 40 percent less structural steel than conventional building designs.[52] From the 7th floor to the ground level, and down to the foundation, the columns were spaced 10 feet (3 m) apart.[53] All columns were placed on bedrock, which, unlike that in Midtown Manhattan, where the bedrock is shallow, is at 65–85 feet (20–26 m) below the surface.[54]
The spandrel plates were welded to the columns to create the modular pieces off-site at the fabrication shop.[55] The modular pieces were typically 52 inches (1.3 m) deep, and extended for two full floors and half of two more floors.[50] Adjacent modules were bolted together, with the splices occurring at mid-span of the columns and spandrels. The spandrel plates were located at each floor, transmitting shear stress between columns, allowing them to work together in resisting lateral loads. The joints between modules were staggered vertically, so the column splices between adjacent modules were not at the same floor.[50]
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The tube frame design using steel core and perimeter columns protected with sprayed-on fire resistant material created a relatively lightweight structure that would sway more in response to the wind, compared to traditional structures such as the Empire State Building that have thick, heavy masonry for fireproofing of steel structural elements
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I think the Las Vegas quotes answered that at the top of this page didn't they?
Still waiting for witnessess that saw these missles flying overhead on their way to hit the Pentagon.
The point I was trying to make was that could it be both, that the smaller plane before it crashed against the pentagon fired a missile for maximum destruction. That could have been another possibility since there is evidence that the plane could have been flown like a drone.
The light poles were bend and not cut like that pilot said in the video it would had happen if a plane had flown in at 500 m/h, maybe the smaller plane came in at a lower speed and shot the missile before crashing that's why we see the big explosion on contact, or could be the plane was loaded with the missile inside as well. Or it could have been a jet pro pulsed missile like the video below is showing.
Many question, not that many answers.
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No this....lol
Physics!!!!! ;)
Again you are wrong. You are drawing conclusions from incorrect assumptions and inaccurate information. If you don't like the wiki proof there is more i can post from actual engineers to show how wrong you are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center)
The World Trade Center towers included many structural engineering innovations in skyscraper design and construction, which allowed the buildings to reach new heights and become the tallest in the world. Traditionally, skyscrapers used a skeleton of columns distributed throughout the interior to support building loads, with interior columns disrupting the floor space. The tube-frame concept, earlier introduced by Fazlur Khan, was a major innovation, allowing open floor plans and more space to rent. The buildings used high-strength, load-bearing perimeter steel columns called Vierendeel trusses that were spaced closely together to form a strong, rigid wall structure. There were 60 perimeter columns, narrowly spaced, on each side of the buildings. In all, the perimeter walls of the towers were 210 feet (64 m) on each side, and the corners were beveled. The perimeter columns were designed to provide support for virtually all lateral loads (such as wind loads) and to share the gravity loads with the core columns.[48] Structural analysis of major portions of the World Trade Center were computed on an IBM 1620.[49]
The perimeter structure was constructed with extensive use of prefabricated modular pieces, which consisted of three columns, three stories tall, connected by spandrel plates. The perimeter columns had a square cross section, 14 inches (36 cm) on a side, and were constructed of welded steel plate.[50] The thickness of the plates and grade of structural steel varied over the height of the tower, ranging from 36,000 to 100,000 pounds per square inch[51] (260 to 670 MPa). The strength of the steel and thickness of the steel plates decreased with height because they were required to support lesser amounts of building mass on higher floors.[50] The tube-frame design required 40 percent less structural steel than conventional building designs.[52] From the 7th floor to the ground level, and down to the foundation, the columns were spaced 10 feet (3 m) apart.[53] All columns were placed on bedrock, which, unlike that in Midtown Manhattan, where the bedrock is shallow, is at 65–85 feet (20–26 m) below the surface.[54]
The spandrel plates were welded to the columns to create the modular pieces off-site at the fabrication shop.[55] The modular pieces were typically 52 inches (1.3 m) deep, and extended for two full floors and half of two more floors.[50] Adjacent modules were bolted together, with the splices occurring at mid-span of the columns and spandrels. The spandrel plates were located at each floor, transmitting shear stress between columns, allowing them to work together in resisting lateral loads. The joints between modules were staggered vertically, so the column splices between adjacent modules were not at the same floor.[50]
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The tube frame design using steel core and perimeter columns protected with sprayed-on fire resistant material created a relatively lightweight structure that would sway more in response to the wind, compared to traditional structures such as the Empire State Building that have thick, heavy masonry for fireproofing of steel structural elements
What does all this mean? Please explain and how it correlates with the 15 floors bringing down the rest of the 95 floors due to office fire in a staggering 12 seconds, pulverization everything from concrete, humans, office furniture and throwing steel beens 600 yards to the side.
All this happened while taking the path of most resistance straight down to it's very base, while destroying all 115 floors, thank you in advance.
Also you mind explaining how could the top part of the south tower that started tilting down to the side while going down could have pulverize in mid air before touching the ground? Again thank you in advance for you explanation.
South Tower Exploding Projectile by David Chandler
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No this....lol
Physics!!!!! ;)
Again you are wrong. You are drawing conclusions from incorrect assumptions and inaccurate information. If you don't like the wiki proof there is more i can post from actual engineers to show how wrong you are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center)
The World Trade Center towers included many structural engineering innovations in skyscraper design and construction, which allowed the buildings to reach new heights and become the tallest in the world. Traditionally, skyscrapers used a skeleton of columns distributed throughout the interior to support building loads, with interior columns disrupting the floor space. The tube-frame concept, earlier introduced by Fazlur Khan, was a major innovation, allowing open floor plans and more space to rent. The buildings used high-strength, load-bearing perimeter steel columns called Vierendeel trusses that were spaced closely together to form a strong, rigid wall structure. There were 60 perimeter columns, narrowly spaced, on each side of the buildings. In all, the perimeter walls of the towers were 210 feet (64 m) on each side, and the corners were beveled. The perimeter columns were designed to provide support for virtually all lateral loads (such as wind loads) and to share the gravity loads with the core columns.[48] Structural analysis of major portions of the World Trade Center were computed on an IBM 1620.[49]
The perimeter structure was constructed with extensive use of prefabricated modular pieces, which consisted of three columns, three stories tall, connected by spandrel plates. The perimeter columns had a square cross section, 14 inches (36 cm) on a side, and were constructed of welded steel plate.[50] The thickness of the plates and grade of structural steel varied over the height of the tower, ranging from 36,000 to 100,000 pounds per square inch[51] (260 to 670 MPa). The strength of the steel and thickness of the steel plates decreased with height because they were required to support lesser amounts of building mass on higher floors.[50] The tube-frame design required 40 percent less structural steel than conventional building designs.[52] From the 7th floor to the ground level, and down to the foundation, the columns were spaced 10 feet (3 m) apart.[53] All columns were placed on bedrock, which, unlike that in Midtown Manhattan, where the bedrock is shallow, is at 65–85 feet (20–26 m) below the surface.[54]
The spandrel plates were welded to the columns to create the modular pieces off-site at the fabrication shop.[55] The modular pieces were typically 52 inches (1.3 m) deep, and extended for two full floors and half of two more floors.[50] Adjacent modules were bolted together, with the splices occurring at mid-span of the columns and spandrels. The spandrel plates were located at each floor, transmitting shear stress between columns, allowing them to work together in resisting lateral loads. The joints between modules were staggered vertically, so the column splices between adjacent modules were not at the same floor.[50]
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The tube frame design using steel core and perimeter columns protected with sprayed-on fire resistant material created a relatively lightweight structure that would sway more in response to the wind, compared to traditional structures such as the Empire State Building that have thick, heavy masonry for fireproofing of steel structural elements
What's your point ? Do you really think those massive core columns disintegrated from a tiny collision into the curtain wall from a tiny plane while the structure is massive in comparison. And twice at that with both damn near around the same time. But that's just another coincidence right lol.
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What's your point ? Do you really think those massive core columns disintegrated from a tiny collision into the curtain wall from a tiny plane while the structure is massive in comparison. And twice at that with both damn near around the same time. But that's just another coincidence right lol.
Let him explain how his posting translates to what happened on that day. Get you popcorn ready Getbiggers!!!
Let Ozmo dig his own tomb.
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Let him explain how his posting translates to what happened on that day. Get you popcorn ready Getbiggers!!!
Let Ozmo dig his own tomb.
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What scares me is his absolute certainty and claim of knowing what happened 100 percent without a doubt LOL pure righteousness.
Maybe he can explain that picture if the perfect 45 degree melted angle cut on the main columns. Looks like a thermite cut designed to make to top half of the verticle column slide or slip off the bottom half of itself hense creating a perfect structural collapse of the building.
But no, just another crazy coincidence lmao
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South Tower Smoking Guns by David Chandler
After finding the projectile that turns a sharp corner while trailing white smoke I looked for it in other videos and found it in several. The clearest is from a camera with a very similar perspective to the first, but in this video the trail can be followed to the bottom of the collapse. Here I explore the significance of this find.
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Erik Lawyer - Firefighter
Mr. Lawyer presents investigative directives from the National Fire Protection Standards Manual that were never followed by NIST or FEMA for the fires they claim caused all 3 WTC Buildings to collapse.
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What scares me is his absolute certainty and claim of knowing what happened 100 percent without a doubt LOL pure righteousness.
Maybe he can explain that picture if the perfect 45 degree melted angle cut on the main columns. Looks like a thermite cut designed to make to top half of the verticle column slide or slip off the bottom half of itself hense creating a perfect structural collapse of the building.
But no, just another crazy coincidence lmao
For the official story to be true there would have to be dozens upon dozens of coincidences that day. It's bizarre really. Thermite was most definitely used, it was found in the dust particles everywhere. It was responsible for the pools of molten steel firefighters saw at ground zero, responsible for the pyroclastic flow seen as the buildings were imploded, responsible for the charred cars, buses, etc in the area from the extreme heat it produced. You know what magically survived the heat though??? Mohammad Attas passport. Really?? The steel was quickly removed and sent off to China to destroy the evidence. Those buildings were designed to withstand multiple impacts from jets such as on 9/11. IF there was a structural failure, then they were designed so only a section of the building would fall. There were unprecedented "power downs" for weeks leading up to 9/11, bomb sniffing dogs were no longer allowed in the towers, but all these things are just a coincidence according to the shills. No... It adds up to a big fuckin conspiracy, a "New Pearl Harbor" that Bush, Cheney, and co. needed as a pretext for war in the Middle East. Bin Laden outright denied any involvement in the attacks. Iraq had nothing to do with it either. Here we are today still fighting because of the bullshit story fed to us on 9/11.
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For the official story to be true there would have to be dozens upon dozens of coincidences that day.
Same with the conspiracies.
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For the official story to be true there would have to be dozens upon dozens of coincidences that day. It's bizarre really. Thermite was most definitely used, it was found in the dust particles everywhere. It was responsible for the pools of molten steel firefighters saw at ground zero, responsible for the pyroclastic flow seen as the buildings were imploded, responsible for the charred cars, buses, etc in the area from the extreme heat it produced. You know what magically survived the heat though??? Mohammad Attas passport. Really?? The steel was quickly removed and sent off to China to destroy the evidence. Those buildings were designed to withstand multiple impacts from jets such as on 9/11. IF there was a structural failure, then they were designed so only a section of the building would fall. There were unprecedented "power downs" for weeks leading up to 9/11, bomb sniffing dogs were no longer allowed in the towers, but all these things are just a coincidence according to the shills. No... It adds up to a big fuckin conspiracy, a "New Pearl Harbor" that Bush, Cheney, and co. needed as a pretext for war in the Middle East. Bin Laden outright denied any involvement in the attacks. Iraq had nothing to do with it either. Here we are today still fighting because of the bullshit story fed to us on 9/11.
all speculation on your part, you have no evidence for or against any of the shit you just wrote.
and as for this
Here we are today still fighting because of the bullshit story fed to us on 9/11
When has the USA needed an excuse to go around sticking its nose in other countries business?
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Same with the conspiracies.
No the conspiracy theories of 9/11 are far more credible and logical because they have a much stronger backing of Physics, and science.
All 4 planes were "recorded" as having speeds over 500mph at the point of impact. (in the official statements)
This is impossible because those planes (as most commercial airliners have a VMO of around 350-400 (and that's at 30,000 ft) at ground level those planes would rip apart from the denser air.
Next, two 110 story skyscrapers pulverized themselves because of 12-15 floors collapsing? At freefall? Causing fires over 2000 deg Fahrenheit in the rubble for 3 MONTHS?
Finding moletn steel at the ground zero (and building 7)? So we were told (and confirmed by official reports) that the fires from the planes were not hot enough to melt steel, just needed to be hot enough to weaken them, and then 3 months later you have infernos raging under the rubble despite a lack of a real oxygen source, and these fires are burning hotter than the jet fuel would have ever allowed.
Building 7 collapsed into it's own frame and the official reasoning from NIST is the "office fires" causing the failure of ONE support column. The consequential damage made the building collapse evenly
at freefall speeds...
The flight the hit the Pentagon, flight 77 did a 270 degree corkscrew turn from 8000 feet to 2000 feet maintaining a speed of 300 knots (according to the black box data), when it lined up with the Pentagon it reached a speed of 450 knots with the nose tilted down slightly.. (Every Piloit who was told this story has said it is impossible) Not to mention the Alleged highjacker was known to be a terrible pilot who wasn't even allowed to fly solo in a single engine Cessna.
Flight 93 - Cell phone calls were apparently placed during the flight being at 20,000 feet. I guess cellular phone technology was better 15 years ago, as this is an IMPOSSIBILITY even TODAY.
Flight -93 - No debris, no bodies, no bones etc. Coroners have yet to find a single drop of blood at the scene.
"There was no plane," Ernie Stull, mayor of Shanksville, told German television in March 2003 - I guess the mayor is a crackpot too.
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What's your point ? Do you really think those massive core columns disintegrated from a tiny collision into the curtain wall from a tiny plane while the structure is massive in comparison. And twice at that with both damn near around the same time. But that's just another coincidence right lol.
No, my point is that your argument about how the WTCs were constructed were completely wrong and it took you about 24 reminders by me before you could even respond to it until now.
Can we now agree that you were 100% wrong about what you thought any engineer would say?
No i don't think massive columns disintegrated.
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What's up with these euro trolls? I don't get it.
Are they mad because their countries are been run down by muslims while we topple governments in the middle east? If so you guys are mad at the wrong people for all the wrong reasons.
Are they mad because they don't have the balls to be free thinkers like Americans do? So they think and act as their goverment tells them to do.
They should watch videos of George Carling, probably our greates comedian we have had so far, they may learn a thing or two.
The Best Of George Carlin Exposing The American Government
Trolls chip in: Ozmo, Ropo, Chaos, Be There.
(https://62e528761d0685343e1c-f3d1b99a743ffa4142d9d7f1978d9686.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/files/15593/article/width926/4zp4fdq9-1347928455.jpg)
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No, my point is that your argument about how the WTCs were constructed were completely wrong and it took you about 24 reminders by me before you could even respond to it until now.
Can we now agree that you were 100% wrong about what you thought any engineer would say?
Ozmo "The Cheese American" full of rubbish,
"The legend on his own mind"
Government dick rider's logic 101: Coincidence!!!
Who's been debunking CT's for 9 years with: "Again you are wrong"........
That's what you have been doing this whole time Ozmo, getting exposed!!!
Man up & shut da fuck up!!!
All you been doing is getting:
(http://www.buymarsproperty.com/owned/owned211.jpg)
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Ozmo "The Cheese American" full of rubbish,
"The legend on his own mind"
Government dick rider's logic 101: Coincidence!!!
Who's been debunking CT's for 9 years with: "Again you are wrong"........
That's what you have been doing this whole time Ozmo, getting exposed!!!
Man up & shut da fuck up!!!
All you been doing is getting:
(http://www.buymarsproperty.com/owned/owned211.jpg)
These are things YOU claimed and they have been shown to be WRONG:
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
this is not going away :D
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These are things YOU claimed and they have been shown to be WRONG:
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
this is not going away :D
Okay Ozmo, you got me. Good luck with the trolling....
(https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/p/2/005/078/212/3c36c7f.jpg)
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No the conspiracy theories of 9/11 are far more credible and logical because they have a much stronger backing of Physics, and science.
All 4 planes were "recorded" as having speeds over 500mph at the point of impact. (in the official statements)
This is impossible because those planes (as most commercial airliners have a VMO of around 350-400 (and that's at 30,000 ft) at ground level those planes would rip apart from the denser air.
Are you saying the speed is uncorrect or that because some say that's improbable for those planes to fly that fast that there were no planes at all?
Next, two 110 story skyscrapers pulverized themselves because of 12-15 floors collapsing?
That's not why they collapsed, that's not what the official reports says or follow up independent reports say.
At freefall?
Free fall being what?
Causing fires over 2000 deg Fahrenheit in the rubble for 3 MONTHS? Finding moletn steel at the ground zero (and building 7)?
Hot steel continues to burn when exposed to air.
So we were told (and confirmed by official reports) that the fires from the planes were not hot enough to melt steel, just needed to be hot enough to weaken them, and then 3 months later you have infernos raging under the rubble despite a lack of a real oxygen source, and these fires are burning hotter than the jet fuel would have ever allowed.
The pile of rubble wasn't sealed from air.
Building 7 collapsed into it's own frame and the official reasoning from NIST is the "office fires" causing the failure of ONE support column. The consequential damage made the building collapse evenly
at freefall speeds...
It didn't collapse evenly.
The flight the hit the Pentagon, flight 77 did a 270 degree corkscrew turn from 8000 feet to 2000 feet maintaining a speed of 300 knots (according to the black box data), when it lined up with the Pentagon it reached a speed of 450 knots with the nose tilted down slightly.. (Every Piloit who was told this story has said it is impossible) Not to mention the Alleged highjacker was known to be a terrible pilot who wasn't even allowed to fly solo in a single engine Cessna.
Considered very difficult and even improbable but not impossible. And the pilot didn't hit the pentagon very well. It would have been far better to hit at about 50ft higher.
Flight 93 - Cell phone calls were apparently placed during the flight being at 20,000 feet. I guess cellular phone technology was better 15 years ago, as this is an IMPOSSIBILITY even TODAY.
So the people on the plane who called were coerced and or under the illusion they were flying and then taken to a sirte and killed disposed and then fake wreckage created?
Flight -93 - No debris, no bodies, no bones etc. Coroners have yet to find a single drop of blood at the scene. "There was no plane," Ernie Stull, mayor of Shanksville, told German television in March 2003 - I guess the mayor is a crackpot too.
That's basically what happens many times (depending on conditions) when a plane crashes on the ground at high speed. It pretty much disintegrates.
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Just to understand you, what you listed here seems to suggest you don't think any of the 4 planes involved in 9/11 were really planes?
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Okay Ozmo, you got me. Good luck with the trolling....
(https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/p/2/005/078/212/3c36c7f.jpg)
These are things YOU claimed and they have been shown to be WRONG:
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
this is not going away :D
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Are you saying the speed is uncorrect or that because some say that's improbable for those planes to fly that fast that there were no planes at all?
That's not why they collapsed, that's not what the official reports says or follow up independent reports say.
Free fall being what?
Hot steel continues to burn when exposed to air.
The pile of rubble wasn't sealed from air.
It didn't collapse evenly.
Considered very difficult and even improbable but not impossible. And the pilot didn't hit the pentagon very well. It would have been far better to hit at about 50ft higher.
So the people on the plane who called were coerced and or under the illusion they were flying and then taken to a sirte and killed disposed and then fake wreckage created?
That's basically what happens many times (depending on conditions) when a plane crashes on the ground at high speed. It pretty much disintegrates.
________________________ ________________________ ________________________ ________________________ __
Just to understand you, what you listed here seems to suggest you don't think any of the 4 planes involved in 9/11 were really planes?
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ESKLgpBSwrk/VF2bd2wnInI/AAAAAAAAQew/dwPjftYEQdw/s1600/keep-calm-and-don-t-feed-the-trolls.png)
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(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ESKLgpBSwrk/VF2bd2wnInI/AAAAAAAAQew/dwPjftYEQdw/s1600/keep-calm-and-don-t-feed-the-trolls.png)
These are things YOU claimed and they have been shown to be WRONG:
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
this is not going away :D
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Are you saying the speed is uncorrect or that because some say that's improbable for those planes to fly that fast that there were no planes at all?
The speed is incorrect and impossible as by the standards of what that plane was built for, when you're 200mph above the speed that the plane was designed to fly at, and at sea level...something is wrong
when you surpass the VMO of the aircraft, panels and wings rip off, there have been instances where planes were slightly above the VMO and the damage was astounding
That's not why they collapsed, that's not what the official reports says or follow up independent reports say.
Free fall being what?
Having no resistance from objects below. The Towers and WTC 1 -2 all had freefall speeds in their descent.
(http://www2.ae911truth.org/images/infoitems/freefall.jpg)
Hot steel continues to burn when exposed to air.
Burning from what? Jet fuel which is know to not be able to, and office fires? How did hot steel burn in the first place?! There was only supposed to be a weakening of steel not melting.
The pile of rubble wasn't sealed from air.
The rubble was mostly powder and dust from the collapse. It would have had even less oxygen exposure than when fires were burning in the towers with windows and all...
The debris was very dense and crowded, not the best environment to keep a fire burning.Mind you, you'd have to address what is strong enough to melt steel in there in the first place.
It didn't collapse evenly.
Wrong lol
(http://sydwalker.info/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/wtc7_freefall.jpg)
Considered very difficult and even improbable but not impossible. And the pilot didn't hit the pentagon very well. It would have been far better to hit at about 50ft higher.
Not impossible, but on a day of many 1st occurances, such as building collapsing from fire, we're to believe a terrible pilot who couldn't fly a cessna pulled off moves
that defied a) the structural limitations of the aircraft, b) the capabilities of dozens of expert pilots c) people tried to simulate his flight sequence in a simulator and were never able to replicate
So the people on the plane who called were coerced and or under the illusion they were flying and then taken to a sirte and killed disposed and then fake wreckage created?
That's basically what happens many times (depending on conditions) when a plane crashes on the ground at high speed. It pretty much disintegrates.
Please enlighten me on these planes that disintegrated, and MANY TIMES this happened
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Just to understand you, what you listed here seems to suggest you don't think any of the 4 planes involved in 9/11 were really planes?
No planes at pentagon and Shanksville.
WTC 1 and 2 certainly had planes fly into them (if they were drones is another debate) but regardless they were planes.
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The speed is incorrect and impossible as by the standards of what that plane was built for, when you're 200mph above the speed that the plane was designed to fly at, and at sea level...something is wrong
when you surpass the VMO of the aircraft, panels and wings rip off, there have been instances where planes were slightly above the VMO and the damage was astounding
Having no resistance from objects below. The Towers and WTC 1 -2 all had freefall speeds in their descent.
Burning from what? Jet fuel which is know to not be able to, and office fires? How did hot steel burn in the first place?! There was only supposed to be a weakening of steel not melting.
The rubble was mostly powder and dust from the collapse. It would have had even less oxygen exposure than when fires were burning in the towers with windows and all...
The debris was very dense and crowded, not the best environment to keep a fire burning.Mind you, you'd have to address what is strong enough to melt steel in there in the first place.
Wrong lol
Not impossible, but on a day of many 1st occurances, such as building collapsing from fire, we're to believe a terrible pilot who couldn't fly a cessna pulled off moves
that defied a) the structural limitations of the aircraft, b) the capabilities of dozens of expert pilots c) people tried to simulate his flight sequence in a simulator and were never able to replicate
Please enlighten me on these planes that disintegrated, and MANY TIMES this happened
No planes at pentagon and Shanksville.
WTC 1 and 2 certainly had planes fly into them (if they were drones is another debate) but regardless they were planes.
I appreciate your direct responses to mine. i also appreciate the absence of ad-hom in your responses and i will try and refrain from it.
There are a lot of aspects here and each could easily warrant their own thread. So i will start with some easy ones.
Planes disintegrating on impact:
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41094000/jpg/_41094644_longshotgetty416.jpg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Iranian_Air_Force_C-130_crash (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Iranian_Air_Force_C-130_crash)
(http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/iranfocus_iran1.jpg)
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/10346431/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/iranian-military-plane-hits-building-killing/#.VzNf54QrKUk (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/10346431/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/iranian-military-plane-hits-building-killing/#.VzNf54QrKUk)
Where is the c-130?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjhxuhTmGk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjhxuhTmGk)
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2006/08/23/world/23plane.1_600x272.jpg)
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/23/world/europe/23plane.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/23/world/europe/23plane.html?_r=0)
(http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2015/11/02/don-t-believe-russian-airline-s-new-excuse-for-crash/jcr:content/body/inlineimage.img.800.jpg/48216132.cached.jpg)
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/02/don-t-believe-russian-airline-s-new-excuse-for-crash.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/02/don-t-believe-russian-airline-s-new-excuse-for-crash.html)
Of course there are also many pics of crashes of planes where some or much of the plane is intact.
What remains after a crash is dependent on speed, mass, fuel, angle, etc.
To prove or argue flight 93 wasn't a plane you would have to also have to evidence backing up an explanation of these things:
What happened to the passengers of flight 93?
How were they coaxed into calling their friends and family during the hijacking and reporting what was going on while it was happening?
How were they able to dispose of a the plane?
How were they able to coordinate the transpoder with secondary radar tracking on the ground?
How were they able to hide the plane from primary radar when they flew it somewhere else?
How did they commandeer the plane in the first place?
If they did it remotely how did they install the remote devices (if it was even possible in 2001) with out incredibly detailed maintenance personal, procedures, safety protocols, and records being altered or compromised?
How did they prep the crash site to have some debris?
I probably could think of more questions.
But what evidence exists outside of the perceived absence of wreckage on a grainy photograph that points to the questions i asked above?
Burning from what? Jet fuel which is know to not be able to, and office fires? How did hot steel burn in the first place?! There was only supposed to be a weakening of steel not melting.
As steel heats it will reach a point that it will continue to burn until it melts.
this is a simple version using steel wool
http://www.instructables.com/id/Simple-Science-Burn-Steel-Wool/ (http://www.instructables.com/id/Simple-Science-Burn-Steel-Wool/)
There also many other metals present in the building that could have attributed to melting and heating parts of the rubble pile to a higher temp, heating the iron/steal enough to create the reaction of steal heating up enough to continue burn to a higher temp. Not to mention those instances of a molten metal might not have been steel.
In order to prevent any burning it has to be sealed 100% from air. Not even close with the rubble pile.
And again here are some questions you have to ask to explain pre-wired and have evidence to support them:
How did they get explosives in the building with out anyone knowing?
Why would they need to with planes hitting it?
How did they access the steel beems with out anyone knowing?
What evidence is there of this?
(also could ask more questions)
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And just for the record.
I do support another investigation into 9/11. As do some 50% of the people do in polls.
but i am pretty sure the vast majority of them don't believe the WTC's where pre-wired or a missile hit the pentagon.
they suspect, as i do, some people needed to lose their jobs or go to jail because of their failures leading to or on 9/11
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After watching a documentary on the Hillsborough incident where 96 Liverpool fans died it appeared they whole thing started when the Chief police officer in charge on the day ordered a gate to be opened into the ground.
When the head of the Football Association turned up to ask what had caused the incident the chief of police said the fans broke the gate and forced their way in.
The entire cover up into the deaths started based on that one lie, all he had to do was admit his mistake and the families of the people that died would have not have to have waited 27 years for justice.
Its not beyond the realms of possibility the incident on 9/11 was a lie based to cover up the failings of an incompetent President.
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Flight 93: scheduled early-morning nonstop flight from Newark, New Jersey, to San Francisco, California, a 5 hour flight, that on that day had a total 44 people aboard including the four hijackers.
According to Ozmo: Coincidence!!!
Boeing 757, can carry 200 to 295 passengers for a maximum of 3,150 to 4,100 nautical miles (5,830 to 7,590 km)
Picture after crash:
(http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/attack/docs/crater1.jpg)
(http://stj911.org/evidence/docs/P200059_1.jpg)
The following map summarizes the location of the most well-documented debris fields:
The primary crash site, centered at the impact crater
The location of an engine: ~ 2000 feet away
The Indian Lake marina, ~ 3 miles away
The New Baltimore, ~ 8 miles away
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/attack/flight93site.html
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Demolition, not explosions. And tell me if you don't see the similar sign of smoke when the Twin towers came down, would more than gladly point it out for you.
You are still a retarded inbreed from Finland. Keep trolling imbecile!!!
Ropo the retarded inbreed that just keeps given.
Forever:
(http://www.buymarsproperty.com/owned/owned2_001.jpg)
Controlled demolitions made by what exactly? Until you come up with the answer to this simple question, you are just another ape throwing crap around. All your means of the controlled demolition are just crap form the childish imagination, without even the slightest possibility to work in the real world, so pretty fucking please, please explain how the demolition would be possible? I dare you, show me the evidence?
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Flight 93: scheduled early-morning nonstop flight from Newark, New Jersey, to San Francisco, California, a 5 hour flight, that on that day had a total 44 people aboard including the four hijackers.
According to Ozmo: Coincidence!!!
Boeing 757, can carry 200 to 295 passengers for a maximum of 3,150 to 4,100 nautical miles (5,830 to 7,590 km)
Picture after crash:
(http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/attack/docs/crater1.jpg)
(http://stj911.org/evidence/docs/P200059_1.jpg)
The following map summarizes the location of the most well-documented debris fields:
The primary crash site, centered at the impact crater
The location of an engine: ~ 2000 feet away
The Indian Lake marina, ~ 3 miles away
The New Baltimore, ~ 8 miles away
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/attack/flight93site.html
These are things YOU claimed and they have been shown to be WRONG:
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
this is not going away :D
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I appreciate your direct responses to mine. i also appreciate the absence of ad-hom in your responses and i will try and refrain from it.
There are a lot of aspects here and each could easily warrant their own thread. So i will start with some easy ones.
Planes disintegrating on impact:
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41094000/jpg/_41094644_longshotgetty416.jpg)
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/10346431/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/iranian-military-plane-hits-building-killing/#.VzNf54QrKUk (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/10346431/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/iranian-military-plane-hits-building-killing/#.VzNf54QrKUk)
Where is the c-130?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjhxuhTmGk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjhxuhTmGk)
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2006/08/23/world/23plane.1_600x272.jpg)
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/23/world/europe/23plane.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/23/world/europe/23plane.html?_r=0)
(http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2015/11/02/don-t-believe-russian-airline-s-new-excuse-for-crash/jcr:content/body/inlineimage.img.800.jpg/48216132.cached.jpg)
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/02/don-t-believe-russian-airline-s-new-excuse-for-crash.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/02/don-t-believe-russian-airline-s-new-excuse-for-crash.html)
Of course there are also many pics of crashes of planes where some or much of the plane is intact.
What remains after a crash is dependent on speed, mass, fuel, angle, etc.
To prove or argue flight 93 wasn't a plane you would have to also have to evidence backing up an explanation of these things:
What happened to the passengers of flight 93?
How were they coaxed into calling their friends and family during the hijacking and reporting what was going on while it was happening?
How were they able to dispose of a the plane?
How were they able to coordinate the transpoder with secondary radar tracking on the ground?
How were they able to hide the plane from primary radar when they flew it somewhere else?
How did they commandeer the plane in the first place?
If they did it remotely how did they install the remote devices (if it was even possible in 2001) with out incredibly detailed maintenance personal, procedures, safety protocols, and records being altered or compromised?
How did they prep the crash site to have some debris?
I probably could think of more questions.
But what evidence exists outside of the perceived absence of wreckage on a grainy photograph that points to the questions i asked above?
As steel heats it will reach a point that it will continue to burn until it melts.
this is a simple version using steel wool
http://www.instructables.com/id/Simple-Science-Burn-Steel-Wool/ (http://www.instructables.com/id/Simple-Science-Burn-Steel-Wool/)
There also many other metals present in the building that could have attributed to melting and heating parts of the rubble pile to a higher temp, heating the iron/steal enough to create the reaction of steal heating up enough to continue burn to a higher temp. Not to mention those instances of a molten metal might not have been steel.
In order to prevent any burning it has to be sealed 100% from air. Not even close with the rubble pile.
And again here are some questions you have to ask to explain pre-wired and have evidence to support them:
How did they get explosives in the building with out anyone knowing? Maintenance, well documented. Do your research.
Why would they need to with planes hitting it? How could they fabricated the conspiracy to begin with. But according to you, Coincidence.
How did they access the steel beems with out anyone knowing? Again, maintenance crew working there all the time, Zionist in charged of security. RESEARCH.
What evidence is there of this? After following this thread, it becomes extremely obvious you're nothing but a goverment dick rider shill.
(also could ask more questions)
First article:
"Witnesses said the C-130 hit the top of the building" Does that picture looks to you of the top of the building?
Secons article:
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2006/08/23/world/23plane.1_600x272.jpg)
What do we see? Engines.
Third article:
Pro goverment website, maybe infiltrated by CIA.
article from website:
.J. O’Rourke: I’m Endorsing Hillary Clinton, the Devil We Know
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/11/p-j-o-rourke-i-m-endorsing-hillary-clinton-the-devil-we-know.html
About the plane:
(http://cdn4.img.sputniknews.com/images/102947/87/1029478795.jpg)
(https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_1484w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2015/11/02/Foreign/Images/Egypt_Russian_Plane_Crash-034b2-6149.jpg?uuid=SFwZLoGhEeWnymq27CD4OQ)
(http://www.aeronewstv.com/images/7995.thumb.he640x360)
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Controlled demolitions made by what exactly? Until you come up with the answer to this simple question, you are just another ape throwing crap around. All your means of the controlled demolition are just crap form the childish imagination, without even the slightest possibility to work in the real world, so pretty fucking please, please explain how the demolition would be possible? I dare you, show me the evidence?
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-j8CcdWw5vaw/UopVLuKNYaI/AAAAAAAAEqo/JXKlb-P3AUU/s1600/clapping-gay-homosexual-queer-gblt-troll-face-trollface.gif)
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First article:
"Witnesses said the C-130 hit the top of the building" Does that picture look to you of the top of the building?
Secons article:
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2006/08/23/world/23plane.1_600x272.jpg)
What do we see? Engines.
Third article:
Pro goverment website, maybe infiltrated by CIA.
article from website:
.J. O’Rourke: I’m Endorsing Hillary Clinton, the Devil We Know
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/11/p-j-o-rourke-i-m-endorsing-hillary-clinton-the-devil-we-know.html
About the plane:
(http://cdn4.img.sputniknews.com/images/102947/87/1029478795.jpg)
(https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_1484w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2015/11/02/Foreign/Images/Egypt_Russian_Plane_Crash-034b2-6149.jpg?uuid=SFwZLoGhEeWnymq27CD4OQ)
(http://www.aeronewstv.com/images/7995.thumb.he640x360)
You didn't read the whole article. So you are wrong as usual. But that doesn't matter until you clear these matters:
These are things YOU claimed and they have been shown to be WRONG:
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
this is not going away :D
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These are things YOU claimed and they have been shown to be WRONG:
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
this is not going away :D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center
What does all this mean? Please explain and how it correlates with the 15 floors bringing down the rest of the 95 floors due to office fire in a staggering 12 seconds, pulverization everything from concrete, humans, office furniture and throwing steel beens 600 yards to the side.
All this happened while taking the path of most resistance straight down to it's very base, while destroying all 115 floors, thank you in advance.
Also you mind explaining how could the top part of the south tower that started tilting down to the side while going down could have pulverize in mid air before touching the ground? Again thank you in advance for you explanation.
And this is not going away either ;D
Ozmo "The Cheese American" full of rubbish,
"The legend on his own mind"
Government dick rider's logic 101: Coincidence!!!
Who's been debunking CT's for 9 years with: "Again you are wrong"........
That's what you have been doing this whole time Ozmo, getting exposed!!! Hasbara.
Man up & shut da fuck up!!!
All you been doing is getting:
(http://www.buymarsproperty.com/owned/owned4.jpg)
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Hundreds of eye-witnesses testify that the Twin Towers were Blown Up with Bombs
Keep at it imbecile!!!
Your retardation, it shows:
(http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0805/retard-w-bush-retard-retards-demotivational-poster-1211301048.jpg)
By the way, that retard was elected to be a president of your country..
How many times I have to explain to you, that it doesn't matter people think they heard, while there isn't even the slightest evidence about the explosions in any video filmed at that day? It is completely clear fact that you can't hide the explosions which are powerful enough to cut massive steel columns inside the house which walls are full of glass. Furthermore, it isn't impossible because I say it is, but because of the laws of physics which make it impossible. If you have seen explosions at any video, why it is so fucking hard to link it here? Because there isn't any video with such thing. In 15 years I haven't seen one, and those videos are in the satellite TV and cable channels just about 24/7.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center
What does all this mean? Please explain and how it correlates with the 15 floors bringing down the rest of the 95 floors due to office fire in a staggering 12 seconds, pulverization everything from concrete, humans, office furniture and throwing steel beens 600 yards to the side.
All this happened while taking the path of most resistance straight down to it's very base, while destroying all 115 floors, thank you in advance.
Also you mind explaining how could the top part of the south tower that started tilting down to the side while going down could have pulverize in mid air before touching the ground? Again thank you in advance for you explanation.
And this is not going away either ;D
Ozmo "The Cheese American" full of rubbish,
"The legend on his own mind"
Government dick rider's logic 101: Coincidence!!!
Who's been debunking CT's for 9 years with: "Again you are wrong"........
That's what you have been doing this whole time Ozmo, getting exposed!!! Hasbara.
Man up & shut da fuck up!!!
All you been doing is getting:
(http://www.buymarsproperty.com/owned/owned4.jpg)
These are things YOU claimed and they have been shown to be WRONG:
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
this is not going away :D
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Good points, a clear path is emerging now, but? As for the whole inside the pentagon, we know that the front of the plane is like paper, and is the first thing to be crash like a tin can on contact, so the question is, was the whole we see in the pictures on the outer walls made by the engine which is not shown, or could be the smaller plane shot a missile before contact to secure maximum destruction to that wing of the pentagon where they hosted the team that was investigating the 2 trillion dollars that was not accounted which Donal Rumsfeld was on TV asking for?
Do you think Rumsfeld was in it in the 9/11 deception? Or was more of a Dick Cheney, Bush and Zionist Jews connection who did it?
To date nothing has been dug up on Rumsfeld, can't find any corruption going on with him, and he did get kick out of the Government before Bush Jr second term came to an end. Colin Powell did show to be an useful idiot as well when he gave the Presentation to the UN Security Council On Iraq's WMD Program.
I'd say you're referring to the mysterious "punch out" hole, which is the one from the C-Ring.
A barely-published fact is that the travel space between the exterior and it, included an area designed without walls (only building-support columns) -- so it is conceivable that a heavy part continued to move forward until it met the C-Ring wall. In fact, that's where a wheel can be seen, as well as other landing-gear parts.
Yes, those guys need to be questioned about certain areas, while under oath. No doubt whatsoever, it would cause them to be tripped-up at some point during or after that. They would be in a world of trouble.
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9/11 Debunker Gets His Ass Handed To Him By Richard Gage
7th grade physics here in the USA. Do you get it? Imbecile!!!
Stupid, what kind are you?:
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You mean that asshat, which real architects didn't want to have anything to do with? His first argument proves he is just an idiot: There was just normal office fires... Excuse me, but what is the normal office fire? How it is measured?? And when 400 meters tall building collapses on 250 meter tall building, it isn't significant at all? Only mentally ill fucking idiot would use arguments like that, while it is evident that it was quite significant. And please, what exactly even could be normal in that situation? Two of the world largest buildings have collapsed, one on top of the WTC 7, which was burning 8 hours before it collapse? Are you mad? Normal office fires...burning straight 8 hours through the building? Why it seem to me that this moron is underestimating the significance of the facts of the matter and just lying? Did I mention facts of the matter? Well, prove there were just normal office fires? In reality, no one have that knowledge, because no one see it, because collapses and dust form the twin towers. How can he say so? Truth doesn't mean anything to these assholes, so he claims it is so, knowing there isn't any evidence at all. And you believe, because of the blind faith. Quite simple, just like you are ;D
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And just for the record.
I do support another investigation into 9/11. As do some 50% of the people do in polls.
but i am pretty sure the vast majority of them don't believe the WTC's where pre-wired or a missile hit the pentagon.
they suspect, as i do, some people needed to lose their jobs or go to jail because of their failures leading to or on 9/11
And just for the record, after 43 pages on this thread and you go and post this questions below shows what a Government dick rider shill you are. Who are you kidding? ::)
And again here are some questions you have to ask to explain pre-wired and have evidence to support them:
How did they get explosives in the building with out anyone knowing?
Why would they need to with planes hitting it?
How did they access the steel beems with out anyone knowing?
What evidence is there of this?
(also could ask more questions)
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Too Stupid to Know They’re Stupid
I keep running across these numbnuts who really are too stupid to know just how stupid they actually are. You know the kind of people I mean, the ones whose idiocy makes your head explode?
http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/2016/04/20/stupid-know-theyre-stupid/
(http://www.fortruthssake.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/stupid2.jpg)
Do you really think that means anything to me? Well, think again, because your weakness is obvious, because you cannot prove fuck about the theory what you are defending. All you can do is flood this thread wit completely irrelevant crap which show only your stupidity. Your blind fait makes you a pitiful little creature, and that's all you are. If you would have a brains, you would try to find videos which really has something else but opinions and claims, like...wait a minute... like something even faintly similar than evidence? Why we never see that happen? Can you explain that? You see, truth about this matter isn't complicated at all, it is quite simple. Want to hear it? YOU CAN'T PROVE ANYTHING. Try to understand that ;D
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And just for the record, after 43 pages on this thread and you go and post this questions below shows what a Government dick rider shill you are. Who are you kidding? ::)
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These are things YOU claimed and they have been shown to be WRONG:
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
this is not going away :D
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Do you really think that means anything to me? Well, think again, because your weakness is obvious, because you cannot prove fuck about the theory what you are defending. All you can do is flood this thread wit completely irrelevant crap which show only your stupidity. Your blind fait makes you a pitiful little creature, and that's all you are. If you would have a brains, you would try to find videos which really has something else but opinions and claims, like...wait a minute... like something even faintly similar than evidence? Why we never see that happen? Can you explain that? You see, truth about this matter isn't complicated at all, it is quite simple. Want to hear it? YOU CAN'T PROVE ANYTHING. Try to understand that ;D
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Remember this is man who claims to have read countless books on 9/11 but doesn't know how our defense system worked that day.
I have asked plenty of times how your defense system works against the passenger jets. No one has answer, so it has to mean that you guys don't know how. Why I should know? I know it isn't made for defending your country against the passenger jets, so fuck off ;D
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You mean that asshat, which real architects didn't want to have anything to do with? His first argument proves he is just an idiot: There was just normal office fires... Excuse me, but what is the normal office fire? How it is measured?? And when 400 meters tall building collapses on 250 meter tall building, it isn't significant at all? Only mentally ill fucking idiot would use arguments like that, while it is evident that it was quite significant. And please, what exactly even could be normal in that situation? Two of the world largest buildings have collapsed, one on top of the WTC 7, which was burning 8 hours before it collapse? Are you mad? Normal office fires...burning straight 8 hours through the building? Why it seem to me that this moron is underestimating the significance of the facts of the matter and just lying? Did I mention facts of the matter? Well, prove there were just normal office fires? In reality, no one have that knowledge, because no one see it, because collapses and dust form the twin towers. How can he say so? Truth doesn't mean anything to these assholes, so he claims it is so, knowing there isn't any evidence at all. And you believe, because of the blind faith. Quite simple, just like you are ;D
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-j8CcdWw5vaw/UopVLuKNYaI/AAAAAAAAEqo/JXKlb-P3AUU/s1600/clapping-gay-homosexual-queer-gblt-troll-face-trollface.gif)
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How To Destroy a 9/11 Truther: Coincidence!!!
Ozmo "the american" full of rubbish,
"The legend on his own mind" Government dick rider's logic 101: Coincidence!!! ::) who's been debunking CT's for 9 years!!!
That's what you have been doing this whole time, getting exposed.
Man up & shut da fuck up!!!
All you been doing is getting:
(http://www.buymarsproperty.com/owned/owned_roadkill.jpg)
Even more of foil hat bullshit? Is that really all you have? And again, just claims and shit? Way to go, if your main purpose is prove that you are complete moron.
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Blacksmith Spoof Video
7th grade physics here in the USA. Do you get it now? Idiot!!!
Ropo, our retarded inbred from Finland.
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It must be at least fifth time you link that bullshit video here, and no one waste time to watch it, because it just present of an opinion of the foil hat imbecile. Don't you know what the word evidence means? Look it up from dictionary..
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Just to make clear which hole is which, here are a few pics. This pic is actually from the wall of the C ring, which is two rings inside from the exterior (streets run through the Pentagon and that's why the parking sign).
(http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/docs/exit2.jpg)
Another angle. You can see in the background that it is in the ring:
(http://911review.org/brad.com/pentagon/pic/912_A-EDrive4.JPG)
I'd say this hole officially has (or has had) three competing explanations for it. One says it was the final stop for the front-most cone of the plane, another says it is from loose landing gear, and a third says it is from an engine.
Until there is some evidence about the explosions in the WTC towers, who cares? You see, if the towers didn't fall because of the explosions, these holes has to be from the crash of the 757.
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Don't forget to ask what ever happened to the engines and the black box?
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Ozmo, Ropo the retard, on it, we need the official 9/11 commission report explanation on the dot, I can't find it.
(http://)
Why don't you name the type of the missile which hit there? 12 feet long cruise missile, carrying 12 tons of kerosene?
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It is public knowledge that each black box has a serial number that identifies the type of plane that it belongs to, I wonder why the official 9/11 commission report omitted such number and the content of the black box? National security? Many question not that many answers.
Ozmo, Ropo the retard on it!!!
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What these black boxes would prove, while it is clear that there wasn't any kind of controlled demolition, because there isn't any evidence to prove there was?
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I'd say you're referring to the mysterious "punch out" hole, which is the one from the C-Ring.
A barely-published fact is that the travel space between the exterior and it, included an area designed without walls (only building-support columns) -- so it is conceivable that a heavy part continued to move forward until it met the C-Ring wall. In fact, that's where a wheel can be seen, as well as other landing-gear parts.
Yes, those guys need to be questioned about certain areas, while under oath. No doubt whatsoever, it would cause them to be tripped-up at some point during or after that. They would be in a world of trouble.
Landing gear parts, that I did not see. And yes it could have been thrusted like a projectile.
But what about Rumsfeld? Have you seen anything on the internet that may have implicated him with the whole 9/11? For example we know how corrupted the Bushes are and their legacy. Plenty of information out there.
Dick Cheney, Halliburton, enough said. But what about Rumsfeld, anybody? Useful idiot or did he made money with 9/11?
The Bush Crime Legacy
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What these black boxes would prove, while it is clear that there wasn't any kind of controlled demolition, because there isn't any evidence to prove there was?
Ropo, you are an idiot. End of discusion. Now:
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Good points, a clear path is emerging now, but? As for the whole inside the pentagon, we know that the front of the plane is like paper, and is the first thing to be crash like a tin can on contact, so the question is, was the whole we see in the pictures on the outer walls made by the engine which is not shown, or could be the smaller plane shot a missile before contact to secure maximum destruction to that wing of the pentagon where they hosted the team that was investigating the 2 trillion dollars that was not accounted which Donal Rumsfeld was on TV asking for?
Do you think Rumsfeld was in it in the 9/11 deception? Or was more of a Dick Cheney, Bush and Zionist Jews connection who did it?
To date nothing has been dug up on Rumsfeld, can't find any corruption going on with him, and he did get kick out of the Government before Bush Jr second term came to an end. Colin Powell did show to be an useful idiot as well when he gave the Presentation to the UN Security Council On Iraq's WMD Program.
And again, there isn't even the smallest piece of evidence that there were explosion, in fact on the contrary, because pictures prove that there wasn't. Outside the building isn't anything which has been inside the building, so there you have an another completely energyless explosion. All your explosions seem to have similar energy as a wet fart, no pressure wave, no flying debris, no any kind of visual effects which are vital to real explosions. In your imaginary world it seem to be quite common, but in the real life explosions throw things in every direction from the center of the explosion. You have to be blind to not see it: not even one chair, no papers, no pieces of walls on the lawn. Just little pieces of aluminum from the fuselage of the airplane.
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I have asked plenty of times how your defense system works against the passenger jets. No one has answer, so it has to mean that you guys don't know how. Why I should know? I know it isn't made for defending your country against the passenger jets, so fuck off ;D
Hasbara Tactics
By controlling information one can control people and the social networks. Hasbara volunteers help pro Goverment discussions. The big media are dealt with through BICOM and AIPAC, whilst the social media are policed unofficially by the Hasbara troll brigade. Priority is to stop influencers being compromised by Goverment sentiment.
Hasbara Troll brigade
Ropo you been exposed. Now:
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Ropo, you are an idiot. End of discusion. Now:
(http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/60471826.jpg)
These are things YOU claimed and they have been shown to be WRONG:
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
this is not going away :D
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Hasbara Tactics
By controlling information one can control people and the social networks. Hasbara volunteers help pro Goverment discussions. The big media are dealt with through BICOM and AIPAC, whilst the social media are policed unofficially by the Hasbara troll brigade. Priority is to stop influencers being compromised by Goverment sentiment.
Hasbara Troll brigade
Ropo you been exposed. Now:
(https://ci.memecdn.com/330/6827330.jpg)
These are things YOU claimed and they have been shown to be WRONG:
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
this is not going away :D
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I keep seeing this, can any one of you actually prove there are hundreds of cameras pointing at the Pentagon ???
Just think why there would have been? It is an office building, not the Fort Knox. Why all the cameras? There is no reason, but when these apes read that police was confiscated all the cameras from the area, foil hat heads start to spin. There is news every day how police has find criminals or evidence about their moves from the security recordings, so why it is like that? Because it is a basic police work everywhere in the world.
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And again, there isn't even the smallest piece of evidence that there were explosion, in fact on the contrary, because pictures prove that there wasn't. Outside the building isn't anything which has been inside the building, so there you have an another completely energyless explosion. All your explosions seem to have similar energy as a wet fart, no pressure wave, no flying debris, no any kind of visual effects which are vital to real explosions. In your imaginary world it seem to be quite common, but in the real life explosions throw things in every direction from the center of the explosion. You have to be blind to not see it: not even one chair, no papers, no pieces of walls on the lawn. Just little pieces of aluminum from the fuselage of the airplane.
Goverment Dick rider's logic 101: Coincidence!!!
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Just think why there would have been? It is an office building, not the Fort Knox. Why all the cameras? There is no reason, but when these apes read that police was confiscated all the cameras from the area, foil hat heads start to spin. There is news every day how police has find criminals or evidence about their moves from the security recordings, so why it is like that? Because it is a basic police work everywhere in the world.
Ropo, you do not bring anything new to the discussion, Ozmo tried, but like always, I already OWNED him right away, you? You are just some bothersome loser too stupid to understand that you are not wanted here or anywhere in Getbig anymore, got it?
Make it interesting, create good posts presenting new evidence that supports the official goverment side so I can debunk it, ok? Not long paragraphs regurgitating what we already cover.
Until then
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Ropo, you do not bring anything new to the discussion, Ozmo tried, but like always, I already OWNED him right away, you? You are just some bothersome loser too stupid to understand that you are not wanted here or anywhere in Getbig anymore, got it?
Make it interesting, create good posts presenting new evidence that supports the official goverment side so I can debunk it, ok? Not long paragraphs regurgitating what we already cover.
Until then
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Thats not how it works numbnuts, you claim conspiracy, you claim explosions, the burden of proof is on you sir.
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Ropo, you do not bring anything new to the discussion, Ozmo tried, but like always, I already OWNED him right away, you? You are just some bothersome loser too stupid to understand that you are not wanted here or anywhere in Getbig anymore, got it?
Make it interesting, create good posts presenting new evidence that supports the official goverment side so I can debunk it, ok? Not long paragraphs regurgitating what we already cover.
Until then
(http://www.troll.me/images/uncle-sam/we-want-you-to-get-the-fuck-out.jpg)
You didn't own anything, there are failures in those too. but you must grapple these first:
These are things YOU claimed and they have been shown to be WRONG:
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
this is not going away :D
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Thats not how it works numbnuts, you claim conspiracy, you claim explosions, the burden of proof is on you sir.
this guy is obviously a kid
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Thats not how it works numbnuts, you claim conspiracy, you claim explosions, the burden of proof is on you sir.
We already have cover this, how much more do you need? Would you like for me to get into Government and open an investigation into 9/11? We have presented science, footage of witnesses on that day, engineers & architects who go against the official story, etc.
We were having a good discussion on the Pentagon until this idiot derailed the thread again(Ropo). This is what the thread is all about, discussion and putting up new information, videos, photos, on both sides, not just ours. But I'm tired of regurgitating the same discussions over and over again.
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this guy is obviously a kid
Hey Ozmo, you did have a good post going on, too bad you derailed quickly with your hypocrisy. Had you gone with the pictures alone I would have played nice.
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For the official story to be true there would have to be dozens upon dozens of coincidences that day. It's bizarre really. Thermite was most definitely used, it was found in the dust particles everywhere. It was responsible for the pools of molten steel firefighters saw at ground zero, responsible for the pyroclastic flow seen as the buildings were imploded, responsible for the charred cars, buses, etc in the area from the extreme heat it produced. You know what magically survived the heat though??? Mohammad Attas passport. Really?? The steel was quickly removed and sent off to China to destroy the evidence. Those buildings were designed to withstand multiple impacts from jets such as on 9/11. IF there was a structural failure, then they were designed so only a section of the building would fall. There were unprecedented "power downs" for weeks leading up to 9/11, bomb sniffing dogs were no longer allowed in the towers, but all these things are just a coincidence according to the shills. No... It adds up to a big fuckin conspiracy, a "New Pearl Harbor" that Bush, Cheney, and co. needed as a pretext for war in the Middle East. Bin Laden outright denied any involvement in the attacks. Iraq had nothing to do with it either. Here we are today still fighting because of the bullshit story fed to us on 9/11.
This is a good paragraph adding old and new information for good points of discussion. Like the passport, how could it had survived the crash and better yet be found all the way down in the street? That get's you thinking.
Why did they ship the steel to China at a loss back then? Why did the Goverment not keep it as evidence for forensics?
Maintenance crews coming in and out the towers prior 9/11, well documented, why was that never investigated? or why were the bomb sniffing dogs pulled?
And why did the commission did not text for explosives since those are directives from the National Fire Protection Standards Manual that were never followed by NIST or FEMA for the fires they claim caused all 3 WTC Buildings to collapse.
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This is a good paragraph adding old and new information for good points of discussion. Like the passport, how could it had survived the crash and better yet be found all the way down in the street? That get's you thinking.
Why did they ship the steel to China at a loss back then? Why did the Goverment not keep it as evidence for forensics?
Maintenance crews coming in and out the towers prior 9/11, well documented, why was that never investigated? or why were the bomb sniffing dogs pulled?
And why did the commission did not text for explosives since those are directives from the National Fire Protection Standards Manual that were never followed by NIST or FEMA for the fires they claim caused all 3 WTC Buildings to collapse.
maybe because there was no suspicion of bombs being present?
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This back and forth has become nauseating. Unless any of you have access to secret docs sealed by the president, none of us will ever get the truth.
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Hey Ozmo, you did have a good post going on, too bad you derailed quickly with your hypocrisy. Had you gone with the pictures alone I would have played nice.
Until you address these nothing changes ;)
These are things YOU claimed and they have been shown to be WRONG:
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
this is not going away :D
PS: I don't really care what you do either way. You are a dumb ass. You are too stupid to have a reasonable discussion with.
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This back and forth has become nauseating. Unless any of you have access to secret docs sealed by the president, none of us will ever get the truth.
What's not true, is a missile hitting the pentagon or the WTC's pre-wired with explosives. That's a complete fantasy.
What's reasonably plausible:
Prior knowledge of the attack
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/64114756/the-psychology-of-conspiracy-belief (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/64114756/the-psychology-of-conspiracy-belief)
The psychology of conspiracy belief
You don't have to be mad to create conspiracy theories, but it certainly helps, new research suggests.
Just believing in them indicates you are more likely to be paranoid or mentally ill, a Victoria University study shows.
Widely held conspiracy theories range from harmless ones, such as the belief that the Moon landings were faked, to more dangerous delusions such as the one in Nigeria that polio vaccines were a Western plot to sterilise people. That led to vaccination crews being murdered and thousands dying from disease.
Clinical psychologist Darshani Kumareswaran is delving in to the psychology of conspiracy belief, and has found some believers are likely to endorse far-fetched plots in an effort to make sense of chaotic situations beyond their control.
Kumareswaran, who graduated from Victoria with a PhD in psychology this week, wanted to find out what made people more likely to believe in, or come up with, conspiracy theories - and whether the process was linked to mental illness.
Avid conspiracy theorists can put themselves under intense psychological strain with their tendency towards paranoid thinking and delusional beliefs, causing mental strain even when a conspiracy theory turns out to be a verified plot.
She also looked behind the common public image of the conspiracy theorist as a crackpot.
Despite evidence of verified conspiracies, such as the Watergate scandal, the public viewed conspiracy theorists in as negative a light as they did convicted criminals, she said.
"For the label to be so negatively rated by the public is quite a powerful finding."
Study participants were asked to recall a situation in which they had no control, describe it in detail, and write it down. They were then put in a "psychological space" in which they felt powerlessness and were given 24 pictures that looked like snowy television screens.
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Half featured obscured objects such as a chair or tent, the other half nothing.
Those who scored highly on a form of psychopathology known as schizotypy were more likely to see an object in the images where there was none, indicating they were more likely to make connections between unrelated things.
"I also found that someone who creates conspiracy theories is more likely to have some form of psychopathology, or mental illness such as paranoid thinking, compared to those who believe in conspiracy theories but do not create them, or people who do not believe in them at all," she said.
Psychology professor Marc Wilson said the research countered the common stereotype that people who believed conspiracy theories were characterised by extreme paranoia.
"The relationship between psychopathology and paranoia is quite weak. The really interesting thing is that people tend to assume that paranoia is a root cause of conspiracy when it isn't the smoking gun," he said.
Wayan Rosie is a member of the Fluoride Action Network, a lobby group whose critics accuse it of promoting the conspiracy theory that fluoridated water is an unsafe method of mass medication.
Rosie does not believe fluoride is put in the water supply as a form of mind control, or to keep the population docile, but he is suspicious about why it is used here when much of Europe's water is fluoride-free.
He said Kumareswaran's research rang true. "People can get hung up on these conspiracy theories and they can become paranoid and suspicious - I know lots of people who believe in conspiracy theories and they end up like that."
Vicki Hyde, former chair-entity of the New Zealand Skeptics, cited a catalogue of 2000 people whose belief in conspiracy theories had caused a catalogue of suffering including death, prosecution, imprisonment, disease and poverty.
"There's a correlation between fragile mental states and the cultural context of conspiracy theories - being paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you, but in most cases they really really aren't.
"Occasionally conspiracy theories may be true, so you need to be vigilant - but not so much that you put your mental health at risk. It needs balance."
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/64114756/the-psychology-of-conspiracy-belief (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/64114756/the-psychology-of-conspiracy-belief)
A Psychological Profile of Conspiracy Theorists
A few years back, I was startled and dismayed when, over lunch, a friend told me he had come to believe that the 9/11 attacks were “an inside job.” This highly intelligent and accomplished man was convinced that the official explanation of that day’s terrorist attacks was a hoax. No amount of evidence to the contrary could convince him otherwise.
How did this happen? It’s impossible to say for certain, but he is far from alone: A 2014 study concluded that half of Americans believe at least one conspiracy theory. There has been plenty of research in recent years attempting to discover what leads people to trust in these often-outlandish, highly problematic narratives. While the results suggest the answer is not simple, a newly published paper provides some valuable insights.
The research looks at two elements that have been cited as playing a role in conspiracy beliefs: unstable self-esteem (the uncomfortable state of feeling unsure about one’s abilities, attitudes, or value to society), and a strong sense of belongingness (which leads to intense identification with some social group). The study finds that these two factors are indeed strong predictors of such a mindset — when they interact in a specific way.
Participants who were feeling uncertain about themselves “experienced stronger conspiracy beliefs following messages of inclusion, as opposed to exclusion.”
The self-uncertainty inspires a strong desire to make sense of an often-random world; the feeling of solidarity means you want to protect not only yourself, but “your people,” from outside menace. Put these elements together, and you get not garden-variety paranoia (“He is out to get me”), but rather its larger-scale version (“They are out to get us”).
Psychologist Jan-Willem van Prooijen offers this hybrid theory in the European Journal of Social Psychology. He describes two experiments that provide evidence backing up his assertion.
In the first, the participants — 84 university undergraduates — began by responding to a series of statements designed to measure their overall level of self-esteem, and the extent to which it fluctuates from day to day.
They were then asked to imagine themselves two decades into the future. Half were instructed to envision “a future where they had a long and lasting relationship” and plenty of friends. The others imagined “a future where their life partner had left them years earlier,” and their friends had deserted them.
Finally, participants were asked to complete a purportedly unrelated study of their views on world events — specifically, climate change, and the NATO intervention in Libya. They were asked conspiracy-related questions such as “To what extent do you believe NATO has a hidden agenda,” and “Do you believe governments deliberately withhold information about global warming?”
The researchers report that thoughts of strong social connection “led to stronger conspiracy beliefs … but only among people who score high on self-uncertainty.”
For the second study, 81 undergraduates were asked “to remember a situation in their own life where they felt really certain, or uncertain, about themselves.” After undergoing the same manipulation (which created feelings of isolation or belongingness), they were asked conspiracy-related questions about the activities of the major oil companies, as well as the 2008 financial crisis.
The results were the same: Participants who were feeling uncertain about themselves “experienced stronger conspiracy beliefs following messages of inclusion, as opposed to exclusion.”
So the cliche of the conspiracy theorist as an isolated individual who has spent too much time in solitary rumination appears to be mistaken. Rather, these results “suggest that conspiracy beliefs actually emerge from social motives — namely, a genuine concern for other people that are victimized, endangered, deceived, or otherwise threatened,” van Prooijen writes.
“It can be concluded that sometimes — that is, when experiencing self-uncertainty — feelings of inclusion breed suspicion.”
Findings is a daily column by Pacific Standard staff writer Tom Jacobs, who scours the psychological-research journals to discover new insights into human behavior, ranging from the origins of our political beliefs to the cultivation of creativity.
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Even more of foil hat bullshit? Is that really all you have? And again, just claims and shit? Way to go, if your main purpose is prove that you are complete moron.
Proof this Ropo the retarded inbreed is just trolling us again, tries to sound smart but gets owned dearly.
The video is a joke you imbecile, is using sarcasm on how to became an expert 9/11 debunker of CT's, but because you are here only to troll us, you get exposed and you are too stupid to realize it.
Live on moron!!!! Ozmo, I hope you do a better job than him.
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Proof this Ropo the retarded inbreed is just trolling us again, tries to sound smart but gets owned dearly.
The video is a joke you imbecile, is using sarcasm on how to became an expert 9/11 debunker of CT's, but because you are here only to troll us, you get exposed and you are too stupid to realize it.
Live on moron!!!! Ozmo, I hope you do a better job than him.
These are 3 of many things YOU claimed and they have been shown to be WRONG:
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
this is not going away :D
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maybe because there was no suspicion of bombs being present?
Present? No of course, although they were high risk buildings, remember the terrorist attempt in '93, and the coincidence they pull them 6 week prior 9/11, but because the building were leased by Larry Silverstein, maybe he was trying to save some money because he already knew all the millions of dollars he would have to spend removing all the asbestos from the towers. Don't forget the Zionist Jews control security as well, they knew and controlled who came and went in and out.
Who knows right? Many questions, not that many answers.
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Federal government routinely hires internet trolls, shills to monitor chat rooms, disrupt article comment sections
Of course, the same type of online patrolling by the government is also happening in the U.S., particularly from the CIA and its infamous In-Q-Tel program. At a 2012 summit, former CIA director David Petraeus essentially admitted that the CIA has a covert online presence that it uses not only for data mining purposes but also to infiltrate online conversations for the purpose of protecting "national security" interests. Such interests, it turns out, include disrupting conversations that discuss topics like 9/11 truth, for instance, or U.S. involvement in giving weapons to Syrian rebels.
According to Occupy Corporatism, the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA), which was recently exposed by American hero and whistleblower Edward Snowden for its illegal surveillance programs, has devised a training program that literally scouts out hackers from American colleges and universities and recruits them to work for the government. Among the many duties sought from those enrolled in the National Centers of Academic Excellence in the Cyber Operations Program are "collection, exploitation, and response" activities to take place in the online environment.
"These 'cyber operators' are trained to become an elite team of 'computer geniuses' that are experts in computer hacking, digital communications, cyber intelligence -- for the purpose of spying on Americans, as well as conducting interactive digital psy-ops with users of the internet," explains Occupy Corporatism about the program.
You can view the actual NSA announcement admitting this here:
http://www.nsa.gov
http://www.naturalnews.com/042093_internet_trolls_chat_rooms_federal_government.html
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This is next up. I want us to see whether it is true or false.
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maybe because there was no suspicion of bombs being present?
The dogs routinely went through the towers.... All of a sudden they weren't allowed in, along with the power downs, do the math. Christ it's plain as day the towers were rigged for controlled demo.
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The dogs routinely went through the towers.... All of a sudden they weren't allowed in, along with the power downs, do the math. Christ it's plain as day the towers were rigged for controlled demo.
You've not proven any of that. All heresay....like jow I had lunch with bigfoot on a UFO today. ::)
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Where is the video about the explosions at the WTC towers?
9/11 BOMBS in Tower Core When 1st Plane Hit
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And just for the record.
I do support another investigation into 9/11. As do some 50% of the people do in polls.
but i am pretty sure the vast majority of them don't believe the WTC's where pre-wired or a missile hit the pentagon.
they suspect, as i do, some people needed to lose their jobs or go to jail because of their failures leading to or on 9/11
Investigation done by who lol.
And flight 93 was definitely and airplane and definitely shot down by fighter jets there were body parts strewn all over the ground for miles before the plane impact.
And didn't Donald rumfsfeld (sp) slip that out by accident a while back...?
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You guys should watch the series from the video below.
They investigated the group of Israelly artist that were at the twin towers before 9/11, remember the gelatin pictures? Turn out, they were there for 4 years!!! And they gather up other evidence on them, very interesting videos.
911 - Hollow Towers part 1
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Here's a nice video summary:
All just coincidence I suppose.
Bush and Rumsfeld both fuck up... There is only one video of the AA flight hitting the first tower, and it wasn't shown on TV that day, but Bush claims he watched the first plane hit the tower...
Rumsfeld states 'They shot down flight 93 over Pennsylvania." Probably just a slip of the tongue for both of them right? No big deal..
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The dogs routinely went through the towers.... All of a sudden they weren't allowed in, along with the power downs, do the math. Christ it's plain as day the towers were rigged for controlled demo.
the trolling in this thread is getting weaker page by page.
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9/11 Debunker Gets His Ass Handed To Him By Richard Gage
7th grade physics here in the USA. Do you get it? Imbecile!!!
Stupid, what kind are you?:
(http://cf.mp-cdn.net/56/e7/341a69a52dfdace8ffc671b0b743-is-the-wall-street-journal-stupid.jpg)
yeah he owns him by lyin
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Here's a nice video summary:
All just coincidence I suppose.
Bush and Rumsfeld both fuck up... There is only one video of the AA flight hitting the first tower, and it wasn't shown on TV that day, but Bush claims he watched the first plane hit the tower...
Rumsfeld states 'They shot down flight 93 over Pennsylvania." Probably just a slip of the tongue for both of them right? No big deal..
Also the bbc / cnn news coverage of the WTC7 coming down 20mins before it did.
With the Building was Standing Behind the BBC reporter as She says it.
Another strange coincidence / Who gave the bbc / can the info that the building was
Also down.
To the Offical Story Believers -- No It Doesn't Prove a conspiracy.
Along with the other bits like what Bush & Rumsfeld saiid.
It Does However cast doubt on what & how it happened & How Much if Anything
Was Know BeforeHand.
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the trolling in this thread is getting weaker page by page.
Explain then how a building falls at FREE FALL speed without being demolished....it defies the laws of physics...you understand that is an impossibility, correct? Explain why thermite and nanothermite were found...and yes they were found in abundance.. That's just normal to you? Watch the video of WTC 7 and honestly tell me that was not a controlled demo... Free fall speed, no resistance from any floors below... 6.5 seconds for total collapse into its own footprint..What don't you understand? There would never be a complete collapse if not for controlled demo.. There would be an asymmetrical, partial collapse of the buildings.. These facts are easily understood by junior high school students, yet you have trouble grasping them... Why? Watch the video, time it...Its irrefutable, FREE FALL speed.
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Landing gear parts, that I did not see. And yes it could have been thrusted like a projectile.
But what about Rumsfeld? Have you seen anything on the internet that may have implicated him with the whole 9/11? For example we know how corrupted the Bushes are and their legacy. Plenty of information out there.
Dick Cheney, Halliburton, enough said. But what about Rumsfeld, anybody? Useful idiot or did he made money with 9/11?
The Bush Crime Legacy
Yes, there were a few odd and otherwise unidentifiable parts which turn out to be from a Boeing landing system, along with a double-rim.
I believe Rumsfeld is a "big picture" person, just like Cheney, and that they knew what was happening that morning from the very first inkling of it.
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Btw, El Diablo Blanco posted something about the Project for the New American Century, and it is a good wrap-up for the madness.
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This is next up. I want us to see whether it is true or false.
(http://i962.photobucket.com/albums/ae107/sniperNZSAS/Pent3Close.jpg)
Am still looking at this one.
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yeah he owns him by lyin
Hey listen imbecile, if you are going to jump in this thread, at least make it interesting, ok? So he's lying, about what? Thank you in advance, otherwise...
(http://www.troll.me/images/creepy-willy-wonka/you-must-be-new-here-get-the-fuck-out.jpg)
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Btw, El Diablo Blanco posted something about the Project for the New American Century, and it is a good wrap-up for the madness.
Everything you need to know as to why 9/11 happened. Did the USA do it or just stood by letting it happen is up to debate but they had a plan in place for such an event to go to war and needed it to happen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
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And I know the shape of the punch-out hole causes questions, being perfectly round, but I believe it may have been cut after the fact as a way to lower the risk of falling debris.
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Yes, there were a few odd and otherwise unidentifiable parts which turn out to be from a Boeing landing system, along with a double-rim.
I believe Rumsfeld is a "big picture" person, just like Cheney, and that they knew what was happening that morning from the very first inkling of it.
Of course he's important, and probably knew before hand, in the documentary 9/11 The New Pearl Harbor, we could see him outside helping pick up debris from the crash in the pentagon instead of been running operations, they weren't able to localize him for more than 30 mins I think they said in the film, correct me if I'm wrong.
But my point is, has anybody discover any type of corruption connecting him with private business like Dick Cheney with Halliburton?
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Everything you need to know as to why 9/11 happened. Did the USA do it or just stood by letting it happen is up to debate but they had a plan in place for such an event to go to war and needed it to happen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
Anyone looking at the people who surrounded Bush, will find a very high number having dual citizenship with Israel. To think that administration was allowed to call itself "conservative" is a joke.
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Of course he's important, and probably knew before hand, in the documentary 9/11 The New Pearl Harbor, we could see him outside helping pick up debris from the crash in the pentagon instead of been running operations, they weren't able to localize him for more than 30 mins I think they said in the film, correct me if I'm wrong.
But my point is, has anybody have discover any type of corruption connecting him with private business like Dick Cheney with Halliburton?
Yes, that is 100% true about him. He claimed to be "unaware" of what was happening, and that was allowed to cover for an explanation. The people now freaking over Benghazi are the ones who are unaware, as it turns out.
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Btw, El Diablo Blanco posted something about the Project for the New American Century, and it is a good wrap-up for the madness.
It's all connected, with all the documentaries we have posted here is clear as day.
We got the 9/11 The New pearl harbor explaining 9/11.
And then I posted this 2 videos explaining the connection with the Bush family and the Zionist Jews, all this intertwined with the banks and the military industrial complex. After watching this and reading their books you still believe the story from the goverment on 9/11 with all the stuff going on in the middle east, you need to have your head check, because is clear your low IQ may present a danger to society, lol.
Everything that comes out of Washington D.C. is just bullshit lies, from both sides, it doesn't matter. People fought the system in the 60's and 70's because they feared the Government was out to murder anybody who would get in in their way. Now they just use the people through taxes to pay for their ponzi schemes, hiding behind patriotism.
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Watch this videos it will explain everything:
9/11-- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL)
911-Conspiracy Finally Solved!: Names, Connections, Motives, 911Matrix of Details Exposed!
CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN EXPLAINS WITH FACTS WHY AND HOW ISRAEL DID 9-11
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BUSH’S PROJECT HAMMER AND THE 9/11 DECEPTION
In 1989 President George H. W. Bush began the multi-billion dollar Project Hammer program using an investment strategy to bring about the economic destruction of the Soviet Union including the theft of the Soviet treasury, the destabilization of the ruble, funding a KGB coup against Gorbachev in August 1991 and the seizure of major energy and munitions industries in the Soviet Union. Those resources would subsequently be turned over to international bankers and corporations. On November 1, 2001, the second operative in the Bush regime, President George W. Bush, issued Executive Order 13233 on the basis of “national security” and concealed the records of past presidents, especially his father’s spurious activities during 1990 and 1991. Consequently, those records are no longer accessible to the public. [1] The Russian coup plot was discussed in June 1991 when Yeltsin visited with Bush in conjunction with his visit to the United States. On that same visit, Yeltsin met discreetly with Gerald Corrigan, the chairman of the New York Federal Reserve. [2]
http://decryptedmatrix.com/bushs-project-hammer/
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Who was responsible for these “failures” and who got promoted?
One major failure was the fact that none of aircraft involved in the attacks were intercepted, despite routine procedure. On 9/11, according to Laura Brown of the FAA, “Within minutes after the first aircraft hit the World Trade Center, the FAA immediately established several phone bridges that included FAA field facilities, the FAA Command Center, FAA headquarters, DOD [meaning the NMCC in the Department of Defense], the Secret Service… The US Air Force liaison to the FAA immediately joined the FAA headquarters phone bridge and established contact with NORAD… The FAA shared real-time information on the phone bridges about the unfolding events, including information about loss of communication with aircraft, loss of transponder signals, unauthorized changes in course, and other actions being taken by all the flights of interest.”[12]
http://arabesque911.blogspot.nl/2007/11/911-incompetence-sabotage-and.html#_edn10
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Albert Gibson et al, Integral low-energy thermite igniter, US Patent number: 4464989,
Integral low-energy thermite igniter
US 4464989 A
ABSTRACT
In a thermite igniter/heat source comprising a container holding an internal igniter load, there is provided the improvement wherein the container consists essentially of consumable consolidated thermite having a low gas output upon combustion, whereby upon ignition, substantially all of the container and said load is consumed with low gas production.
http://www.google.com/patents/US4464989?dq=US+4464989
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Taku Murakami, US Patent 5532449 - Using plasma ARC and thermite to demolish concrete
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5532449/description.html
Savannah's reference to developing sol-gels
http://srnl.doe.gov/mat_sci.htm
They already have killed the links which render them useless, I wonder why?
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CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN EXPLAINS WITH FACTS WHY AND HOW ISRAEL DID 9-11
http://www.bollyn.com/9-11-archive-2011/
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Where is the video about the explosions at the WTC towers?
Hundreds of eye-witnesses testify that the Twin Towers were Blown Up with Bombs
9/11 BOMBS in Tower Core When 1st Plane Hit
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Good Night And Good Luck
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Explain then how a building falls at FREE FALL speed without being demolished....it defies the laws of physics...you understand that is an impossibility, correct? Explain why thermite and nanothermite were found...and yes they were found in abundance.. That's just normal to you? Watch the video of WTC 7 and honestly tell me that was not a controlled demo... Free fall speed, no resistance from any floors below... 6.5 seconds for total collapse into its own footprint..What don't you understand? There would never be a complete collapse if not for controlled demo.. There would be an asymmetrical, partial collapse of the buildings.. These facts are easily understood by junior high school students, yet you have trouble grasping them... Why? Watch the video, time it...Its irrefutable, FREE FALL speed.
You're wrong.
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Investigation done by who lol.
And flight 93 was definitely and airplane and definitely shot down by fighter jets there were body parts strewn all over the ground for miles before the plane impact.
And didn't Donald rumfsfeld (sp) slip that out by accident a while back...?
and flight 93 was definitely shot down? what evidence is there?
Or is this just like the concrete in skyscrapers that any engineer would tell me about?
(interesting... 1 CT'er believes flight 93's crash site if fake and the other thinks it was definitely shot down)
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Will post more on this, but just as a preface I'll say that most people figure the "whitish object" in the video is what struck the building (as Straw Man and I did earlier in the thread). But it appears that "whitish object" is something trailing the plane and being emitted by it, actually.
To give a better idea, here are stills released by the Pentagon. What you see on the left sticking up above the box, is said to be the tail. So when the FBI makes the claim about lack of a relevant image, they are referring to all things which have been unreleased.
(http://cdn.historycommons.org/images/events/382_pentagon_video.jpg)
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http://time.com/3997033/conspiracy-theories/ (http://time.com/3997033/conspiracy-theories/)
Here’s Why People Believe In Conspiracy Theories
UFO sightings. Hoaxed moon landings. Reptiles who rule the world.
What, in the name of our alleged lizard overlords, convinces a person to believe in conspiracy theories?
According to a pair of new studies published in the journal Applied Cognitive Psychology, conspiracy theorists—and there are a lot more of them than you may think—tend to have one thing in common: they feel a lack of control over their lives.
Jan-Willem van Prooijen, associate professor in social and organizational psychology at VU University Amsterdam, has been studying conspiracy theories and those who believe them for six years. “When I started this research, one of the things that I really found astonishing was how many people believe in certain conspiracy theories,” he says.
Conspiracy theories often crop up during times of uncertainty and fear: after terrorist strikes, financial crises, high-profile deaths and natural disasters. Past research suggests that if people feel they don’t have control over a situation, they’ll try to make sense of it and find out what happened. “The sense-making leads them to connect dots that aren’t necessarily connected in reality,” van Prooijen says.
He and his team showed that the opposite is also true: feeling a sense of control is protective against believing conspiracy theories. In one of the studies, they split 119 people into two groups and told one group to write down times when they were totally in control; the other group was told to jot down a time when they didn’t feel in control. (This gave one group a powerful feeling, while the other felt helpless.)
The researchers then surveyed their attitudes on a building project in Amsterdam that accidentally destroyed the foundations of many houses, and which many people believed was a conspiracy of the city council. But those who had been primed to feel in control were less likely to believe the government was up to something evil. “We found that if you give people a feeling of control, then they are less inclined to believe those conspiracy theories,” he says. “Giving people a sense of control can make them less suspicious over governmental operations.”
The Dutch, of course, aren’t the only believers. The second experiment looked at survey data from a nationally representative sample of Americans conducted in the last months of 1999 leading up to Y2K. “The more that people feared the millennium bug in 1999, the more likely they were inclined to believe in other conspiracy theories, ranging from Kennedy to the government hiding evidence of the existence of UFOs,” van Prooijen says. The best predictor of believing in one conspiracy, he says, is believing in another.
This finding backs up data from another group last year, which found that 37% of surveyed Americans believe that the FDA is deliberately preventing the public from accessing natural cures for cancer because they’re beholden to drug companies.
These beliefs can be very hard to change, but giving people a feeling of control could help dispel some conspiratorial beliefs, the new research suggests—a finding that could prove useful worldwide. “There are no doubt cultural variables influencing it,” van Prooijen says. “But the essence of conspiracy theorizing is, I think, universal in human beings. People have a natural tendency to be suspicious of groups that are powerful and potentially hostile.”
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Federal government routinely hires internet trolls, shills to monitor chat rooms, disrupt article comment sections
Of course, the same type of online patrolling by the government is also happening in the U.S., particularly from the CIA and its infamous In-Q-Tel program. At a 2012 summit, former CIA director David Petraeus essentially admitted that the CIA has a covert online presence that it uses not only for data mining purposes but also to infiltrate online conversations for the purpose of protecting "national security" interests. Such interests, it turns out, include disrupting conversations that discuss topics like 9/11 truth, for instance, or U.S. involvement in giving weapons to Syrian rebels.
According to Occupy Corporatism, the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA), which was recently exposed by American hero and whistleblower Edward Snowden for its illegal surveillance programs, has devised a training program that literally scouts out hackers from American colleges and universities and recruits them to work for the government. Among the many duties sought from those enrolled in the National Centers of Academic Excellence in the Cyber Operations Program are "collection, exploitation, and response" activities to take place in the online environment.
"These 'cyber operators' are trained to become an elite team of 'computer geniuses' that are experts in computer hacking, digital communications, cyber intelligence -- for the purpose of spying on Americans, as well as conducting interactive digital psy-ops with users of the internet," explains Occupy Corporatism about the program.
You can view the actual NSA announcement admitting this here:
http://www.nsa.gov
http://www.naturalnews.com/042093_internet_trolls_chat_rooms_federal_government.html
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Federal government routinely hires internet trolls, shills to monitor chat rooms, disrupt article comment sections
Of course, the same type of online patrolling by the government is also happening in the U.S., particularly from the CIA and its infamous In-Q-Tel program. At a 2012 summit, former CIA director David Petraeus essentially admitted that the CIA has a covert online presence that it uses not only for data mining purposes but also to infiltrate online conversations for the purpose of protecting "national security" interests. Such interests, it turns out, include disrupting conversations that discuss topics like 9/11 truth, for instance, or U.S. involvement in giving weapons to Syrian rebels.
According to Occupy Corporatism, the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA), which was recently exposed by American hero and whistleblower Edward Snowden for its illegal surveillance programs, has devised a training program that literally scouts out hackers from American colleges and universities and recruits them to work for the government. Among the many duties sought from those enrolled in the National Centers of Academic Excellence in the Cyber Operations Program are "collection, exploitation, and response" activities to take place in the online environment.
"These 'cyber operators' are trained to become an elite team of 'computer geniuses' that are experts in computer hacking, digital communications, cyber intelligence -- for the purpose of spying on Americans, as well as conducting interactive digital psy-ops with users of the internet," explains Occupy Corporatism about the program.
You can view the actual NSA announcement admitting this here:
http://www.nsa.gov
http://www.naturalnews.com/042093_internet_trolls_chat_rooms_federal_government.html
Where in the fuck is my paycheck?!
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Will post more on this, but just as a preface I'll say that most people figure the "whitish object" in the video is what struck the building (as Straw Man and I did earlier in the thread). But it appears that "whitish object" is something trailing the plane and being emitted by it, actually.
To give a better idea, here are stills released by the Pentagon. What you see on the left sticking up above the box, is said to be the tail. So when the FBI makes the claim about lack of a relevant image, they are referring to all things which have been unreleased.
(http://cdn.historycommons.org/images/events/382_pentagon_video.jpg)
Like I said, it looks like a smaller plane lunched a missile before crushing into the pentagon for maximum assure destruction. The plane could have been a drone as well. Of course all this is just theory, it needs to be proven scientifically.
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Where in the fuck is my paycheck?!
Ozmo or Ropo has it. Ask them. ;D
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Will post more on this, but just as a preface I'll say that most people figure the "whitish object" in the video is what struck the building (as Straw Man and I did earlier in the thread). But it appears that "whitish object" is something trailing the plane and being emitted by it, actually.
To give a better idea, here are stills released by the Pentagon. What you see on the left sticking up above the box, is said to be the tail. So when the FBI makes the claim about lack of a relevant image, they are referring to all things which have been unreleased.
(http://cdn.historycommons.org/images/events/382_pentagon_video.jpg)
There is so much more to this. I have heard 80 cameras, 100+ cameras. I don't think 80 cameras were aimed in such a way that they had that particular area of the pentagon in their view. Even if some did, we are dealing with a very fast moving plane on a very low resolution with a very slow frame rate. That's probably the best one available. The whitish object is said to be a smoke trail from the engines.
For those who believe a missile hit the pentagon.
Absence of a clear video of a plane hitting the pentagon doesn't prove a missile hit it.
However, absence of evidence (such as eye witnesses of a missile) suggesting a missile hit the pentagon and the plane and passengers were somehow disposed of, proves that a missile didn't hit the pentagon and the plane and passengers weren't disposed of.
Additionally, there is plenty of evidence, in the form of witnesses, records, photographs, after math accounts, debris, documented defense system failures etc. that suggests a the plane did hit the pentagon.
This is why the whole missile thing is loony.
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and flight 93 was definitely shot down? what evidence is there?
Or is this just like the concrete in skyscrapers that any engineer would tell me about?
(interesting... 1 CT'er believes flight 93's crash site if fake and the other thinks it was definitely shot down)
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Both are the same you imbecile, the site was fake and debris of the plane expanded miles which proves the theory that it was shut down. Like always too stupid to realize it, and still in the OWNED!!! zone.
Keep at it moron, owning you, my business. ;D
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Like I said, it looks like a smaller plane lunched a missile before crushing into the pentagon for maximum assure destruction. The plane could have been a drone as well. Of course all this is just theory, it needs to be proven scientifically.
You are an idiot. You got that from that picture? Is that your expert opinion? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Get out of your moms basement and go outside for while...
But then again, in addition to getting many other things wrong, here are 3 you keep running away from:
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
so go ahead, find more pics to post, but these remain and aren't going away. :)
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Both are the same you imbecile, the site was fake and debris of the plane expanded miles which proves the theory that it was shut down. Like always too stupid to realize it, and still in the OWNED!!! zone.
Keep at it moron, owning you, my business. ;D
paranoid much?
Feeling like you are not in control?
Get out of your mom's basement, stop eating captian crunch, and breath some fresh air. Walk around, meet people. Avoid CT discussions, you won't ,make normal friends that way.
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There is so much more to this. I have heard 80 cameras, 100+ cameras. I don't think 80 cameras were aimed in such a way that they had that particular area of the pentagon in their view. Even if some did, we are dealing with a very fast moving plane on a very low resolution with a very slow frame rate. That's probably the best one available. The whitish object is said to be a smoke trail from the engines.
For those who believe a missile hit the pentagon.
Absence of a clear video of a plane hitting the pentagon doesn't prove a missile hit it.
However, absence of evidence (such as eye witnesses of a missile) suggesting a missile hit the pentagon and the plane and passengers were somehow disposed of, proves that a missile didn't hit the pentagon and the plane and passengers weren't disposed of.
Additionally, there is plenty of evidence, in the form of witnesses, records, photographs, after math accounts, debris, documented defense system failures etc. that suggests a the plane did hit the pentagon.
This is why the whole missile thing is loony.
Maybe both? A smaller plane shot a missile right before it hit the pentagon, assuring maximum destruction.
You heard about the cameras? Did you not research 9/11 for 9 years? You getting exposed, just too easy. Keep at it.
You stop with the hypocrisy, I may just let up a little, so you know.
Owning you, my bussiness. ;D
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People have a strong inclination to want to trust others, as they know they should be able to do. It frees up the mind.
If you look at societies where people must regularly face one another, you'll find that individuals are much more careful against screwing-over the others.
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You are an idiot. You got that from that picture? Is that your expert opinion? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Get out of your moms basement and go outside for while...
But then again, in addition to getting many other things wrong, here are 3 you keep running away from:
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
so go ahead, find more pics to post, but these remain and aren't going away. :)
I'm the expert? No, just presenting ideas, this is a forum after all, but you are who's a Government dick riders shill getting exposed left and right. But keep at it.
Owning you, my business. ;D
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There is so much more to this. I have heard 80 cameras, 100+ cameras. I don't think 80 cameras were aimed in such a way that they had that particular area of the pentagon in their view. Even if some did, we are dealing with a very fast moving plane on a very low resolution with a very slow frame rate. That's probably the best one available. The whitish object is said to be a smoke trail from the engines.
For those who believe a missile hit the pentagon.
Absence of a clear video of a plane hitting the pentagon doesn't prove a missile hit it.
However, absence of evidence (such as eye witnesses of a missile) suggesting a missile hit the pentagon and the plane and passengers were somehow disposed of, proves that a missile didn't hit the pentagon and the plane and passengers weren't disposed of.
Additionally, there is plenty of evidence, in the form of witnesses, records, photographs, after math accounts, debris, documented defense system failures etc. that suggests a the plane did hit the pentagon.
This is why the whole missile thing is loony.
Yes, there is much much more to this.
I too refuse to believe there were all those cameras pointed at the action. I do question whether various images of the sky are being protected, though.
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paranoid much?
Feeling like you are not in control?
Get out of your mom's basement, stop eating captian crunch, and breath some fresh air. Walk around, meet people. Avoid CT discussions, you won't ,make normal friends that way.
Stop trolling this thread and I will, got a deal?
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Maybe both? A smaller plane shot a missile right before it hit the pentagon, assuring maximum destruction.
You heard about the cameras? Did you not research 9/11 for 9 years? You getting exposed, just too easy. Keep at it.
You stop with the hypocrisy, I may just let up a little, so you know.
Owning you, my bussiness. ;D
I will do this just one more time, because i am now starting to feel sorry for you.
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Both are the same you imbecile, the site was fake and debris of the plane expanded miles which proves the theory that it was shut down. Like always too stupid to realize it, and still in the OWNED!!! zone.
Keep at it moron, owning you, my business. ;D
CT'er #1 (Colossus_1986) says:
No planes at pentagon and Shanksville.
Meaning he doesn't think a plane was shot down at shanksville because there was no plane.
CT'er #2 (The brink) say:
Investigation done by who lol.
And flight 93 was definitely and airplane and definitely shot down by fighter jets there were body parts strewn all over the ground for miles before the plane impact.
And didn't Donald rumfsfeld (sp) slip that out by accident a while back...?
that's why i said:
(interesting... 1 CT'er believes flight 93's crash site if fake and the other thinks it was definitely shot down)
Now i can't make it more simple for you. I could draw pictures, but that might be too much for you.
I could add that to the list of you failure along with C-130 thing when you obviously didn't and check other pictures, namely the top of the building.
But that's who you are.
a dumbass.
alright I am tire of you now, so will just add those to your failure list.
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Stop trolling this thread and I will, got a deal?
Nothing is over until you deal with your failures. Like i said, i don't really care what you do. You are one of the most stupid people i have ever dealt with regarding CT's. Your maturity level is that of a low self esteem 15 year old boy barricaded in his mom's basement.
Now i have added 2 more, but just address these 3 and we can move on.
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies at colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
and i will be more than willing to keep it civil. ;)
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Crash site, imbecile, that's what he meant, no plane at crash site, again reading and comprehension, not up to par, making bullshit lies, typical Government dick rider shill,
Where are the pictures of the top of the roof of the C-130?
You getting exposed, too easy.
Owning you, my business. ;D
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Yes, there is much much more to this.
I too refuse to believe there were all those cameras pointed at the action. I do question whether various images of the sky are being protected, though.
Maybe. That's one of the reasons why I think another investigation is warranted.
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Crash site, imbecile, that's what he meant, no plane at crash site, again reading and comprehension, not up to par, making bullshit lies, typical Government dick rider shill,
Where are the pictures of the top of the roof of the C-130?
You getting exposed, too easy.
Owning you, my business. ;D
Nothing is over until you deal with your failures. Like i said, i don't really care what you do. You are one of the most stupid people i have ever dealt with regarding CT's. Your maturity level is that of a low self esteem 15 year old boy barricaded in his mom's basement.
Now i have added 2 more, but just address these 3 and we can move on.
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies at colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
and i will be more than willing to keep it civil.
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Yeah, you'll find this is very common. Just about everyone, everywhere, has missed the mark. The false idea of the "whitish object" being the thing which struck, is the one to become the norm.
All these sites and ideas about the subject, then, are based around that.
(http://911review.org/Reports/pentagonvideo/nose__angle.jpg)
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The plane being a line, visually, it blends in with the trees in the background.
Like I said, one of the most interesting threads ever. For me, at least.
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and flight 93 was definitely shot down? what evidence is there?
Or is this just like the concrete in skyscrapers that any engineer would tell me about?
(interesting... 1 CT'er believes flight 93's crash site if fake and the other thinks it was definitely shot down)
Keeping it civil, eh? With statements like these, keep your hypocrisy to yourself.
You stop trolling this thread, and then I will keep it civil.
Just remember, owning you, my bussiness. ;D
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I'll get into that plane image a little more, coming up.
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Yeah, you'll find this is very common. Just about everyone, everywhere, has missed the mark. The false idea of the "whitish object" being the thing which struck, is the one to become the norm.
All these sites and ideas about the subject, then, are based around that.
(http://911review.org/Reports/pentagonvideo/nose__angle.jpg)
Do you mind explaining this a little better? Can't grasp what you mean, and the line that blends with the trees.
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Keeping it civil, eh? With statements like these, keep your hypocrisy to yourself.
You stop trolling this thread, and then I will keep it civil.
Just remember, owning you, my bussiness. ;D
Nothing is over until you deal with your failures. Like i said, i don't really care what you do. You are one of the most stupid people i have ever dealt with regarding CT's. Your maturity level is that of a low self esteem 15 year old boy barricaded in his mom's basement.
Now i have added 2 more, but just address these 3 and we can move on.
Fact: Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact: it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact: There are discussions and studies at colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11
and i will be more than willing to keep it civil.
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Do you mind explaining this a little better? Can't grasp what you mean, and the line that blends with the trees.
Look above and to the left, at what appears to be attached to the subject of that pic.
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With color enhancement:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/FlightAA77-cam1.gif/220px-FlightAA77-cam1.gif)
This is all new to me, and I'm just now getting into it. Any comment or anything at all which causes someone to feel I'm straying from the truth, I'd like to know about it.
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^ That is from the video we've seen, btw, and it is two images. We are familiar with the whitish "object" from earlier in the thread.
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That 911review picture is trying to show an angle of travel based upon an assumed movement of the whitish blur -- as though it is a solid object which would go on to hit the building. That is incredible when you realize it is the standard belief, and what you'll find when you look for information.
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Everyone has seen that overhead video, including a few times in this thread. Here is the counter to that.
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Everyone has seen that overhead video, including a few times in this thread. Here is the counter to that.
I don't think a CT'er intends to deceive. So i disagree when the vid says deception is the truther way.
I think a CT'er makes up his/her mind that 9/11 was an inside job and then only "sees" things that support that belief while ignoring actual evidence.
Its human nature to first adopt a theory and then seek out and pay attention to only things that support that theory.
What appears deceptive, is the spin used to convince other people. For example that Bush video about explosives or the "19 goat shepherds quip". Both are completely inaccurate but are use to persuade someone to believe in a CT.
Then the CT'er gets wrapped up in the spin (mildly brainwashed) and no longer can objectively see things for what they are, will not address previous false assumptions and create a broader web of fantastical explanations to validate their CT.
If there was any legitimate evidence of a 9/11 inside job, there would be far more people denouncing the the official story, other countries would be calling BS on it, and funding would be made available from those to gain the most from exposing it to force legal action to investigate.
Why don't we see that happening? Because, up to now, there is nothing there.
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I don't think a CT'er intends to deceive. So i disagree when the vid says deception is the truther way.
I think a CT'er makes up his/her mind that 9/11 was an inside job and then only "sees" things that support that belief while ignoring actual evidence.
Its human nature to first adopt a theory and then seek out and pay attention to only things that support that theory.
What gets deceptive, it was spin is used to convince other people. For example that Bush video about explosives or the "19 goat shepherds quip". Both are completely inaccurate but are use to persuade someone to believe in a CT.
Then the CT'er gets wrapped up in the spin (mildly brainwashed) and no longer can objectively see things for what they are, will not address previous false assumptions and create a broader web of fantastical explanations to validate their CT.
If there was any legitimate evidence of a 9/11 inside job, there would be far more people denouncing the the official story, other countries would be calling BS on it, and funding would be made available from those to gain the most from exposing it to force legal action to investigate.
Why don't we see that happening? Because, up to now, there is nothing there.
Yes, the video is done in the typical fashion of trying to lump everything together. And there's nothing in it to say that IT isn't falsified.
I didn't believe the original was accurate to begin with, though, because the last thing anyone would do (if wanting to present it properly) is to cut out the part after, which should show all the activity responding to the hit.
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If the Saudis ever get their worthless asses dragged into it, maybe it will become interesting.
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Yes, the video is done in the typical fashion of trying to lump everything together. And there's nothing in it to say that IT isn't falsified.
I didn't believe the original was accurate to begin with, though, because the last thing anyone would do (if wanting to present it properly) is to cut out the part after, which should show all the activity responding to the hit.
I really don't know. I am not a video expert, but i do have working skills in video editing. I might be able to spot an altered video only because i know how to alter them. but i am not sure, because i have never tried to examine one that was. IMO the video (not the one you just posted) is moot either way. Its too grainy and low res. The evidence of a flight 77 hitting the pentagon is beyond substantial. The evidence for a missile hitting the pentagon is based on false logic, false assumptions (planes cant fly that way, too little debris etc.), and rhetoric.
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If the Saudis ever get their worthless asses dragged into it, maybe it will become interesting.
That's what a second investigation would reveal if there is anything to it.
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I really don't know. I am not a video expert, but i do have working skills in video editing. IMO the video (not the one you just posted) is moot either way. Its too grainy and low res. The evidence of a flight 77 hitting the pentagon is beyond substantial. The evidence for a missile hitting the pentagon is based on false logic, false assumptions (planes cant fly that way, too little debris etc.), and rhetoric.
Do you mean the one that the plane image is brought out from?
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Do you mean the one that the plane image is brought out from?
nah this one:
(http://cdn.historycommons.org/images/events/382_pentagon_video.jpg)
Good web site for 9/11 isn't it?
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nah this one:
Good web site for 9/11 isn't it?
Yes, I really like History Commons. It's a good place to check first for information, to see what claims are out there (newspaper articles or broadcast transcripts or whatever).
Btw, I believe the Pentagon claims that is the tail.
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I notice both show :19, too.
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I notice both show :19, too.
yeah, typically a video time code now a days looks like this: 00;00;09;22
that would be 9 seconds, 22nd frame. that time code isn't what is used these days.
I looked at a couple youtube vids of it and there wasn't a time code on them. It looks like it was added to the images, unless there is another version out there or the actual unaltered file where the camera displays the timecode on the video.
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yeah, typically a video time code now a days looks like this: 00;00;09;22
that would be 9 seconds, 22nd frame. that time code isn't what is used these days.
I looked at a couple youtube vids of it and there wasn't a time code on them. It looks like it was added to the images, unless there is another version out there or the actual unaltered file where the camera displays the timecode on the video.
I think those above may be from the original "five frames" and that they did include those stamps and labels. But will confirm.
Another funny thing related to this, is that I just read a claim to say the released videos are actually 2fps. So maybe that explains it.
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I think those above may be from the original "five frames" and that they did include those stamps and labels. But will confirm.
Another funny thing related to this, is that I just read a claim to say the released videos are actually 2fps. So maybe that explains it.
2fps? yikes. Typical 1080p is 29.97 or 30 fps.
But that's a 2001 security cam, so...
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2fps? yikes. Typical 1080p is 29.97 or 30 fps.
But that's a 2001 security cam, so...
Yeah, that's the thing. A link to "International Skeptics" posted by Be There gave the claimed run-down of that, and it said 30 (29.97, I believe you're right, being based on 60 fields).
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What information can be had by watching the car pass in front of the camera?
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I don't think a CT'er intends to deceive. So i disagree when the vid says deception is the truther way.
I think a CT'er makes up his/her mind that 9/11 was an inside job and then only "sees" things that support that belief while ignoring actual evidence.
Its human nature to first adopt a theory and then seek out and pay attention to only things that support that theory.
What appears deceptive, is the spin used to convince other people. For example that Bush video about explosives or the "19 goat shepherds quip". Both are completely inaccurate but are use to persuade someone to believe in a CT.
Then the CT'er gets wrapped up in the spin (mildly brainwashed) and no longer can objectively see things for what they are, will not address previous false assumptions and create a broader web of fantastical explanations to validate their CT.
If there was any legitimate evidence of a 9/11 inside job, there would be far more people denouncing the the official story, other countries would be calling BS on it, and funding would be made available from those to gain the most from exposing it to force legal action to investigate.
Why don't we see that happening? Because, up to now, there is nothing there.
You just can't let it go, eh? The 19 shepherds was a metaphor to troll you, but of course, as the imbecile that you are, you could not get it, and now you try to pass it as truth. ::)
The Bush video, trolling you again, do you really think the President of the United States was going to implicate himself and get away with it? Imbecile what kind are you? ::)
There is legitimate evidence of 9/11 being an inside job, why don't you address anything I put up on page 45 of this thread? Watch the videos, follow the links, read the material.
You are nothing but a Government Dick Rider Shill with the logic of an imbecile with great retardation.
Serious question, how much is the goverment paying you these days? It show the kind of looser you are, can't find work, trolling a 15 year old in Getbig during the day, trying to debunk and obscure CT's lol.
47 pages later and you still at it, never debunking anything, never explaining anything, insulting, degrading, lying.
First you said you had study 9/11 for 9 years and then you have debunking CT's for 9 years, which is it?
Keep at it imbecile, owning you, my business. ;D
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What information can be had by watching the car pass in front of the camera?
Vegas, don't bother, he's just trolling you, after page 45, this thread should be lock down really, anything and everything there is to know is in page 45 of this thread, watch the videos, follow the link, believe what you want.
Everything is explained, now a real investigation is all there is left to do so that evidence and testimony could come together in a court of law. After that everything could be put down to rest.
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You just can't let it go, eh? The 19 shepherds was a metaphor to troll you, but of course, as the imbecile you are could not get it, and now try to pass it as truth. ::)
If there was any truth to a 9/11 CT you wouldn't have to use a metaphor. weak sauce lol (back peddle)
The Bush video, trolling you again, do you really think the President of the United States was going to implicate himself and get away with it? Imbecile what kind are you? ::)
really? This is what you posted:
9/11: Bush Admits “Explosives” Used At World Trade Center (Video)
Start watching at 0:37 seconds for a in your face revelation from non other than our own president. How you like them apples now?
All of you goverment shill defenders are OWNED!!!
So now you are back peddling? HAHAHAHAH weak sauce lol
There is legitimate evidence of 9/11 being an inside job, why don't you address anything I put up on page 45 of this thread? Watch the videos, follow the links, read the material.
Haven't seen it yet. And i am sure anything you have posted is total crap. and if I show it to be, you'll just claim you were trolling or using a metaphor?
Weak sauce lol
Well 2 down.
Like i said, i don't really care what you do. You are one of the most stupid people i have ever dealt with regarding CT's. Your maturity level is that of a low self esteem 15 year old boy barricaded in his mom's basement.
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The camera attempts to keep a static background, too. So, by looking at the area the plane image has been extracted from, I'm having a difficult time believing this isn't it. Look at the angle of the tail, for instance, remembering that the camera seeks a static background.
But the question as to why it has remained an unknown makes it almost unbelievable, and causes me to think there's something to show it as false.
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The camera attempts to keep a static background, too. So, by looking at the area the plane image has been extracted from, I'm having a difficult time believing this isn't it. Look at the angle of the tail, for instance, remembering that the camera seeks a static background.
But the question as to why it has remained an unknown makes it almost unbelievable, and causes me to think there's something to show it as false.
Not sure what you mean here.
It looks like camera is set up to watch that driveway, not the background
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Not sure what you mean here.
It looks like camera is set up to watch that driveway, not the background
Yes, that is exactly it (what I mean).
Will find that run-down again, and would like your opinion on it.
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The camera attempts to keep a static background, too. So, by looking at the area the plane image has been extracted from, I'm having a difficult time believing this isn't it. Look at the angle of the tail, for instance, remembering that the camera seeks a static background.
But the question as to why it has remained an unknown makes it almost unbelievable, and causes me to think there's something to show it as false.
Btw, this says nothing of the question asking what else it could possibly be, doing what it is doing at that exact instant in that particular place.
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Based on the currently available information, the Pentagon surveillance cameras that took the well-known videos of the impact were NTSC interlaced analog color cameras with an automatic iris and a shutter speed of 1/60th of a second.
The camera acquired a static scene, in which the background does not move, some objects are stationary and some objects (cars, people, clouds, and others) instead move.
what does the CCD sensor capture if, during the 1/60th of a second for which its shutter remains "open", the light that strikes the CCD belongs partly to the object and partly to the background, which is fixed?
Let me put it another way. If the shutter opens at a certain instant to capture a field (for example the even lines of the frame) and we consider, again by way of example, a point of the field of view that lies 2.5 meters ahead of the nose of the aircraft (which is moving at a tangent speed of 171.1 meters per second), that point remains lit by the light of the fixed background for most of the time and is reached by the nose of the plane (which moves tangentially by 2.85 meters) only when the shutter is about to close.
So what would the CCD acquire?
Would it acquire the background, with a ghost produced by the plane which arrived as the shutter was about to close?
Probably.
the security cameras worked by interlacing at 60 Hz, i.e., they acquired 60 fields (not frames) per second, which yielded 29.97 frames per second.
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This is a bit beyond what i know about video.
where did the above (text) come from?
I will look at it tomorrow in depth. got stuff to do.
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This is a bit beyond what i know about video.
where did the above (text) come from?
I will look at it tomorrow in depth. got stuff to do.
It is from International Skeptics, a science-oriented site that looks to "debunk" conspiracy.
Yeah, I've got to break away from this for a while.
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Is this the plane? Help me show it can't be true.
(http://i962.photobucket.com/albums/ae107/sniperNZSAS/Pent3Close.jpg)
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If there was any truth to a 9/11 CT you wouldn't have to use a metaphor. weak sauce lol (back peddle)
really? This is what you posted:
So now you are back peddling? HAHAHAHAH weak sauce lol
Haven't seen it yet. And i am sure anything you have posted is total crap. and if I show it to be, you'll just claim you were trolling or using a metaphor?
Weak sauce lol
Well 2 down.
Like i said, i don't really care what you do. You are one of the most stupid people i have ever dealt with regarding CT's. Your maturity level is that of a low self esteem 15 year old boy barricaded in his mom's basement.
Hey imbecile, here is a challenge for you and the retarded inbred from Finland to win a 1 million euros. Why don't you 2 tag in, let's see what happens.
The Anders Björkman Challenge 1 is very simple!
You are requested to describe a structure where a small top part C can crush the much bigger bottom part A from above, when top part C is dropped by gravity on bottom part A.
The structure with parts C and A can look like the structure right or below, e.g. a square block of any material/elements (e.g. steel or wood floors and pillars or whatever) connected together plus plenty of air between the elements! All elements and joints of the structure must evidently be weak and break easily! The total structure can have any mass or density, e.g. density 0.25 (kg/cm3) or 250 (kg/m3), i.e. light, like the WTC towers that were mostly air ... like a bale of cotton.
The top part C is the 1/10th top of the total structure! It has mass M kilograms (kg)! M can be 1 kg or 100 000 000 kg! It does not matter.
The drop height is max 3.7 meters!
The bottom part A is the 9/10th bottom of the total structure. It has mass 9 M kilograms. It means A is 9 times bigger than C!
When top part C with mass M impacts bottom part A from above after a free fall drop of 3.7 meters by gravity (g = 9.82 m/s²), it applies 36.334 M Joule energy to the (total) structure with mass 10 M.
Will bottom part A with mass 9 M be crushed into rubble by top part C with mass M? Can 3.63 Joule energy initiate a collapse destruction of 1 kilogram of A?
That's the Challenge! The Anders Björkman Challenge! According US authorities incl. US presidents of all kinds, security advisors, agencies, experts, universities and plenty idiots of all types it happens all the time! Little weak, top C (with density 0.25) crushes big strong, bottom A (with same density 0.25), i.e. the one layer C top part crushes, POUFF, POUFF, the nine layers of bottom A, one after the other, into rubble (with density 1)!
And it pays 1 milion euros, hope you two retards win it so you can get the fuck out this thread.
http://heiwaco.tripod.com/chall1.htm#hc
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Watch this videos it will explain everything:
9/11-- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL)
911-Conspiracy Finally Solved!: Names, Connections, Motives, 911Matrix of Details Exposed!
CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN EXPLAINS WITH FACTS WHY AND HOW ISRAEL DID 9-11
Amazing video. If that's not an investigation into the 'attacks' then I don't know what is.
It's a financial mafia war involved with government at the highest level.
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Why is there only one shitty video of the Pentagon released? One... When there are hundreds of cameras on that building... If it was a jet, the defense system would have shot it down without a doubt, unless someone gave an order to stand down, which Dick Cheney did just that... It is an impossibility that the jet could fly at that speed that close to the ground....Impossible...s o why does anyone still believe it was a jet?? It's impossible.. Not to mention, the supposed pilot couldn't even fly a Cessna, but that day he hopped in the cockpit of a jet, made an unbelievable maneuver, that was impossible for that plane to make, somehow the engines didn't drag on the ground, or make a single mark on the lawn, struck the building at the base, then the entire plane folded up and went into that nice neat hole and penetrated all but one ring of the Pentagon. The fuselage was so strong to penetrate every ring but one, yet nothing of the jet was found. Pretty fucking amazing......
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Why is there only one shitty video of the Pentagon released? One... When there are hundreds of cameras on that building... If it was a jet, the defense system would have shot it down without a doubt, unless someone gave an order to stand down, which Dick Cheney did just that... It is an impossibility that the jet could fly at that speed that close to the ground....Impossible...s o why does anyone still believe it was a jet?? It's impossible.. Not to mention, the supposed pilot couldn't even fly a Cessna, but that day he hopped in the cockpit of a jet, made an unbelievable maneuver, that was impossible for that plane to make, somehow the engines didn't drag on the ground, or make a single mark on the lawn, struck the building at the base, then the entire plane folded up and went into that nice neat hole and penetrated all but one ring of the Pentagon. The fuselage was so strong to penetrate every ring but one, yet nothing of the jet was found. Pretty fucking amazing......
thanks for your unfounded opinions on the matter, they were most enlightening.
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I noticed the college kids were very entertained by what was going on until they realized they could be in danger.
The conspiracy people are real simpletons. A jet filled with fuel hit the building going as fast as a .38 special.
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thanks for your unfounded opinions on the matter, they were most enlightening.
You really are a moron....unfounded? I guess actual pilots, military personnel, architects and engineers that aren't paid by the government are all unfounded.. You can't even provide a decent argument against anything I've said.. Answer this smart guy... WTC 7 fell at free fall speed..Fact.. Time it.. How does that happen? Other than no resistance at all from the floors below.. How does it happen? Only one explanation.. Controlled demo. Explain how thermite and nano thermite were found in the dust... Explain how a jet fuselage penetrated all but one ring of he pentagon and then evaporated... Explain the nice neat hole created by the jet, that was much smaller than the fuselage would have been...how did the engines not make a mark on the lawn? I can go on and on, I'll wait for your enlightened response..tighten your helmet buddy.... You have to explain how WTC 7 defied physics that day. The official bullshit story doesn't count either.. Anyone walking upright, he'll even a monkey knows it's total bullshit..
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I noticed the college kids were very entertained by what was going on until they realized they could be in danger.
The conspiracy people are real simpletons. A jet filled with fuel hit the building going as fast as a .38 special.
That simple...Well case closed...
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Amazing video. If that's not an investigation into the 'attacks' then I don't know what is.
It's a financial mafia war involved with government at the highest level.
Is not the goverment, is the people involved in the Government at the highest level, two different things. They tell you goverment doesn't work, what they don't tell you is that they go into goverment and destroy it and then go and say "See goverment doesn't work" examples: 9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan, the crash of 2008, Syria, Lybia, etc.
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That simple...Well case closed...
Just look at his name(Oldtimer), biggest generation of dupes.
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Amazing video. If that's not an investigation into the 'attacks' then I don't know what is.
It's a financial mafia war involved with government at the highest level.
Not only that, the 2nd video has all the links to the information in it, so everything can be traced, researched, and back up.
3rd video, same thing go to the link in his webpage and buy his books, research back up by evidence.
Evidence that should had been involved in a criminal investigation on 9/11 which never occurred. President Bush Jr took more than 400 day to form the commision after been push by congress thanks to the 100 families that stood for truth and did not sold out to those Zionist and Neocons pieces of shit.
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Amazing video. If that's not an investigation into the 'attacks' then I don't know what is.
It's a financial mafia war involved with government at the highest level.
Make sure you read this, only for people with a higher than room temperature IQ please, thanks.
BUSH’S PROJECT HAMMER AND THE 9/11 DECEPTION
In 1989 President George H. W. Bush began the multi-billion dollar Project Hammer program using an investment strategy to bring about the economic destruction of the Soviet Union including the theft of the Soviet treasury, the destabilization of the ruble, funding a KGB coup against Gorbachev in August 1991 and the seizure of major energy and munitions industries in the Soviet Union. Those resources would subsequently be turned over to international bankers and corporations. On November 1, 2001, the second operative in the Bush regime, President George W. Bush, issued Executive Order 13233 on the basis of “national security” and concealed the records of past presidents, especially his father’s spurious activities during 1990 and 1991. Consequently, those records are no longer accessible to the public. [1] The Russian coup plot was discussed in June 1991 when Yeltsin visited with Bush in conjunction with his visit to the United States. On that same visit, Yeltsin met discreetly with Gerald Corrigan, the chairman of the New York Federal Reserve. [2]
http://decryptedmatrix.com/bushs-project-hammer/
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Watch this video
Rarely are my videos as important as this. What you're about to watch is about a man who may still be wanted by the FBI for questioning related to his involvement in the 911 attacks.
The story begins in 1996 at a company called Urban Moving Systems...The same company which the 5 dancing israelis work for.
This Man May Be a 9/11 Conspirator.
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Make sure you read this, only for people with a higher than room temperature IQ please, thanks.
BUSH’S PROJECT HAMMER AND THE 9/11 DECEPTION
In 1989 President George H. W. Bush began the multi-billion dollar Project Hammer program using an investment strategy to bring about the economic destruction of the Soviet Union including the theft of the Soviet treasury, the destabilization of the ruble, funding a KGB coup against Gorbachev in August 1991 and the seizure of major energy and munitions industries in the Soviet Union. Those resources would subsequently be turned over to international bankers and corporations. On November 1, 2001, the second operative in the Bush regime, President George W. Bush, issued Executive Order 13233 on the basis of “national security” and concealed the records of past presidents, especially his father’s spurious activities during 1990 and 1991. Consequently, those records are no longer accessible to the public. [1] The Russian coup plot was discussed in June 1991 when Yeltsin visited with Bush in conjunction with his visit to the United States. On that same visit, Yeltsin met discreetly with Gerald Corrigan, the chairman of the New York Federal Reserve. [2]
http://decryptedmatrix.com/bushs-project-hammer/
You're a special kind of stupid. The towers were brought down by terrorists. It's scary that you vote. Put on your aluminum wrap hat so the government can't read your mind about how you know about the conspiracy to bring down the towers.
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You're a special kind of stupid. The towers were brought down by terrorists. It's scary that you vote. Put on your aluminum wrap hat so the government can't read your mind about how you know about the conspiracy to bring down the towers.
Hey oldtimer, the 70's called and they want grandpa back. Why don't you go back to watching some Vietnam War movies and then go read the Gulf of Tokin:
The Gulf of Tonkin incident (Vietnamese: Sự kiện Vịnh Bắc Bộ), also known as the USS Maddox incident, involved what were originally claimed to be two separate confrontations involving North Vietnam and the United States in the waters of the Gulf of Tonkin.
The outcome of these two incidents was the passage by Congress of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which granted President Lyndon B. Johnson the authority to assist any Southeast Asian country whose government was considered to be jeopardized by "communist aggression". The resolution served as Johnson's legal justification for deploying US conventional forces and the commencement of open warfare against North Vietnam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident
And then do us a favor:
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Witnesses saying in the video they did not look like commercial passenger planes.
9/11 - The Impossible Case of Flight 175
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Dimitri Khalezov has been an expert in nuclear demolition for many years and has an incredible amount of proof that the buildings were taken down by underground micro nuclear demolition charges! I've posted some
links to other material such as the melted cars that could have only been done by EMP type effects caused by a nuclear bomb since there was no jet fuel burning at ground level AND some of these cars were missing
engine blocks! They were totally melted! How do you melt an engine block when no fire was burning at ground level - many of these cars were 7 blocks away! They were never explained in any way. Also it was never
explained why Tritium levels were 55 times more than normal at ground zero. And of course we have ALL the strange cancers from first responders and many of them have died. They were forced to wear "air quality"
badges which Dimitri says were really just radiation detectors in disguise so they could monitor everybody's exposure and pull people out of the hot zones for a while when their badges reported higher radiation. Easy
to lie to everybody and tell them the badge is to monitor air quality. That is pure garbage if you think about it. There is not going to be that much difference in "air quality around such a relatively small area anyway.
Dimitri Khalezov - WTC Nuclear Demolition
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NIST suggests without evidence that (1) the top supporting elements of floor #97 of part A break and that floor #97 fuses with and accelerates with top part C (requires energy) and that now 15 m drops 3.7 meters and applies 545.0m Joule energy on floor #96 of part A. Again at this second collision both C and A absorb energy elastically and if there is surplus energy some elements may break. NIST suggests again, without any evidence that it is the elements below floor #96 that break and that floor #96 fuses with floor #97 and is accelerated by top part C and floor #97. And so on another 95 times! It takes 12 seconds! Part A is destroyed by gravity according NIST: part A could not absorb the energy applied from above by part C so global collapse ensued.
(http://heiwaco.tripod.com/ABWTC.jpg)
http://heiwaco.tripod.com/chall1.htm#hc
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Nuclear Demolition
Nuclear demolition, as a form of "controlled demolition", was first mooted towards the end of the 1960s when building code requirements made it necessary to provide satisfactory proposals for the eventual demolition of proposed modern tall steel frame buildings.
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Nuclear_Demolition
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(http://s3.amazonaws.com/media.wbur.org/wordpress/12/files/2011/08/0825_911_crop-500x300.jpg)Look closely for WTC7 and the Deucthe Bank Building.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/02/10/article-1249885-083AACC0000005DC-404_964x696.jpg)
(http://cdn2.wn.com/o25/ph/img/15/2b/067942fda4bf7160899eab65367c-grande.jpg)
(http://www.fdnytenhouse.com/911/remember/images/wtc_photo.jpg) How come the Deucthe Bank Building stood? Many question, not that many answers.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/World_Trade_Center_Site_After_9-11_Attacks_With_Original_Building_Locations.jpg)
Why did not other buildings came down that day like the Solomon building aka WTC7? That get's you thinking.
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Ground Zero – Nuclear Demolition of the World Trade Center.
An improved English version of the scandalous article from the NEXUS German magazine.
(http://www.911thology.com/nexus1_files/image094.jpg)
When the pressure propagates upwards, the upper boundaries of the "damaged zone" and the "crushed zone" eventually reach the underground foundations of the Tower they are about to demolish, the picture is even more different. This is because the actual materials the Tower is built of differ from the surrounding granite rock in the sense of their resistance. Besides, there is a lot of empty space inside the Tower, while the remaining granite rock in all other directions (to the sides and below the cavity) is solid. So, the expansion of the upper boundaries of the "damaged" and "crushed" zones by the Tower's structure will be the furthest. In the case of the WTC Twin Towers and the Sears Tower, the "damaged zone" could likely reach up to 350-370 meters, while the "crushed zone" which follows immediately, will likely reach up to 290-310 meters. However, in the case of the much shorter WTC-7, its entire length was well within the "crushed zone" - so it was pulverized completely from bottom to top. The ability of a nuclear demolition to pulverize steel and concrete alike is one of its unique features.
http://www.911thology.com/nexus1.html
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9/11: Molten Metal at Ground Zero
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Good Night And Good Luck!!!
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You really are a moron....unfounded? I guess actual pilots, military personnel, architects and engineers that aren't paid by the government are all unfounded.. You can't even provide a decent argument against anything I've said.. Answer this smart guy... WTC 7 fell at free fall speed..Fact.. Time it.. How does that happen? Other than no resistance at all from the floors below.. How does it happen? Only one explanation.. Controlled demo. Explain how thermite and nano thermite were found in the dust... Explain how a jet fuselage penetrated all but one ring of he pentagon and then evaporated... Explain the nice neat hole created by the jet, that was much smaller than the fuselage would have been...how did the engines not make a mark on the lawn? I can go on and on, I'll wait for your enlightened response..tighten your helmet buddy.... You have to explain how WTC 7 defied physics that day. The official bullshit story doesn't count either.. Anyone walking upright, he'll even a monkey knows it's total bullshit..
You are the moron.
You claim to have countless books on 9/11 and yet you don't know how the defense system worked that day?
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Hey imbecile, here is a challenge for you and the retarded inbred from Finland to win a 1 million euros. Why don't you 2 tag in, let's see what happens.
The Anders Björkman Challenge 1 is very simple!
You are requested to describe a structure where a small top part C can crush the much bigger bottom part A from above, when top part C is dropped by gravity on bottom part A.
The structure with parts C and A can look like the structure right or below, e.g. a square block of any material/elements (e.g. steel or wood floors and pillars or whatever) connected together plus plenty of air between the elements! All elements and joints of the structure must evidently be weak and break easily! The total structure can have any mass or density, e.g. density 0.25 (kg/cm3) or 250 (kg/m3), i.e. light, like the WTC towers that were mostly air ... like a bale of cotton.
The top part C is the 1/10th top of the total structure! It has mass M kilograms (kg)! M can be 1 kg or 100 000 000 kg! It does not matter.
The drop height is max 3.7 meters!
The bottom part A is the 9/10th bottom of the total structure. It has mass 9 M kilograms. It means A is 9 times bigger than C!
When top part C with mass M impacts bottom part A from above after a free fall drop of 3.7 meters by gravity (g = 9.82 m/s²), it applies 36.334 M Joule energy to the (total) structure with mass 10 M.
Will bottom part A with mass 9 M be crushed into rubble by top part C with mass M? Can 3.63 Joule energy initiate a collapse destruction of 1 kilogram of A?
That's the Challenge! The Anders Björkman Challenge! According US authorities incl. US presidents of all kinds, security advisors, agencies, experts, universities and plenty idiots of all types it happens all the time! Little weak, top C (with density 0.25) crushes big strong, bottom A (with same density 0.25), i.e. the one layer C top part crushes, POUFF, POUFF, the nine layers of bottom A, one after the other, into rubble (with density 1)!
And it pays 1 milion euros, hope you two retards win it so you can get the fuck out this thread.
http://heiwaco.tripod.com/chall1.htm#hc
once again running to another subject like a typical cowardly CT'er. Backpeddler HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
You still haven't completed your challenge yet.
Although you pussed out like a discarded bitch on 2 of 3 of them.
Like i said, i don't really care what you do. You are one of the most stupid people i have ever dealt with regarding CT's. Your maturity level is that of a low self esteem 15 year old boy barricaded in his mom's basement.
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(http://s3.amazonaws.com/media.wbur.org/wordpress/12/files/2011/08/0825_911_crop-500x300.jpg)Look closely for WTC7 and the Deucthe Bank Building.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/02/10/article-1249885-083AACC0000005DC-404_964x696.jpg)
(http://cdn2.wn.com/o25/ph/img/15/2b/067942fda4bf7160899eab65367c-grande.jpg)
(http://www.fdnytenhouse.com/911/remember/images/wtc_photo.jpg) How come the Deucthe Bank Building stood? Many question, not that many answers.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/World_Trade_Center_Site_After_9-11_Attacks_With_Original_Building_Locations.jpg)
Why did not other buildings came down that day like the Solomon building aka WTC7? That get's you thinking.
Damn wtc7 was not even that close to the other twin towers. Really makes you think why it collapsed and much closer buildings did not. :-\
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Is this the plane? Help me show it can't be true.
(http://i962.photobucket.com/albums/ae107/sniperNZSAS/Pent3Close.jpg)
do you have the original link to the vid?
The issue is, what was the camera shooting at and how was the vid converted and uploaded. That makes a difference.
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once again running to another subject like a typical cowardly CT'er. Backpeddler HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
You still haven't completed your challenge yet.
Although you pussed out like a discarded bitch on 2 of 3 of them.
Like i said, i don't really care what you do. You are one of the most stupid people i have ever dealt with regarding CT's. Your maturity level is that of a low self esteem 15 year old boy barricaded in his mom's basement.
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb129/beautifulcaptive/troll.jpg)
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(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb129/beautifulcaptive/troll.jpg)
once again running to another subject like a typical cowardly CT'er. Backpeddler HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
You still haven't completed your challenge yet.
Although you pussed out like a discarded bitch on 2 of 3 of them.
Like i said, i don't really care what you do. You are one of the most stupid people i have ever dealt with regarding CT's. Your maturity level is that of a low self esteem 15 year old boy barricaded in his mom's basement.
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Federal government routinely hires internet trolls, shills to monitor chat rooms, disrupt article comment sections
Of course, the same type of online patrolling by the government is also happening in the U.S., particularly from the CIA and its infamous In-Q-Tel program. At a 2012 summit, former CIA director David Petraeus essentially admitted that the CIA has a covert online presence that it uses not only for data mining purposes but also to infiltrate online conversations for the purpose of protecting "national security" interests. Such interests, it turns out, include disrupting conversations that discuss topics like 9/11 truth, for instance, or U.S. involvement in giving weapons to Syrian rebels.
According to Occupy Corporatism, the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA), which was recently exposed by American hero and whistleblower Edward Snowden for its illegal surveillance programs, has devised a training program that literally scouts out hackers from American colleges and universities and recruits them to work for the government. Among the many duties sought from those enrolled in the National Centers of Academic Excellence in the Cyber Operations Program are "collection, exploitation, and response" activities to take place in the online environment.
"These 'cyber operators' are trained to become an elite team of 'computer geniuses' that are experts in computer hacking, digital communications, cyber intelligence -- for the purpose of spying on Americans, as well as conducting interactive digital psy-ops with users of the internet," explains Occupy Corporatism about the program.
You can view the actual NSA announcement admitting this here:
http://www.nsa.gov
http://www.naturalnews.com/042093_internet_trolls_chat_rooms_federal_government.html
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Federal government routinely hires internet trolls, shills to monitor chat rooms, disrupt article comment sections
Of course, the same type of online patrolling by the government is also happening in the U.S., particularly from the CIA and its infamous In-Q-Tel program. At a 2012 summit, former CIA director David Petraeus essentially admitted that the CIA has a covert online presence that it uses not only for data mining purposes but also to infiltrate online conversations for the purpose of protecting "national security" interests. Such interests, it turns out, include disrupting conversations that discuss topics like 9/11 truth, for instance, or U.S. involvement in giving weapons to Syrian rebels.
According to Occupy Corporatism, the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA), which was recently exposed by American hero and whistleblower Edward Snowden for its illegal surveillance programs, has devised a training program that literally scouts out hackers from American colleges and universities and recruits them to work for the government. Among the many duties sought from those enrolled in the National Centers of Academic Excellence in the Cyber Operations Program are "collection, exploitation, and response" activities to take place in the online environment.
"These 'cyber operators' are trained to become an elite team of 'computer geniuses' that are experts in computer hacking, digital communications, cyber intelligence -- for the purpose of spying on Americans, as well as conducting interactive digital psy-ops with users of the internet," explains Occupy Corporatism about the program.
You can view the actual NSA announcement admitting this here:
http://www.nsa.gov
http://www.naturalnews.com/042093_internet_trolls_chat_rooms_federal_government.html
Paranoid much?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA
Suffering from low self esteem?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA
Feeling a lack of control?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA
Feeling like you need to belong to a larger group?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH AH
once again running to another subject like a typical cowardly CT'er. Backpeddler HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
You still haven't completed your challenge yet.
Although you pussed out like a discarded bitch on 2 of 3 of them.
Like i said, i don't really care what you do. You are one of the most stupid people i have ever dealt with regarding CT's. Your maturity level is that of a low self esteem 15 year old boy barricaded in his mom's basement.
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Paranoid much?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA
Suffering from low self esteem?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA
Feeling a lack of control?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA
Feeling like you need to belong to a larger group?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH AH
once again running to another subject like a typical cowardly CT'er. Backpeddler HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
You still haven't completed your challenge yet.
Although you pussed out like a discarded bitch on 2 of 3 of them.
Like i said, i don't really care what you do. You are one of the most stupid people i have ever dealt with regarding CT's. Your maturity level is that of a low self esteem 15 year old boy barricaded in his mom's basement.
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Government
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OzmO
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The Best Of George Carlin Exposing The American Government!!!
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The Best Of George Carlin Exposing The American Government!!!
Paranoid much?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA
Suffering from low self esteem?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA
Feeling a lack of control?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA
Feeling like you need to belong to a larger group?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH AH
once again running to another subject like a typical cowardly CT'er. Backpeddler HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
You still haven't completed your challenge yet.
Although you pussed out like a discarded bitch on 2 of 3 of them.
Like i said, i don't really care what you do. You are one of the most stupid people i have ever dealt with regarding CT's. Your maturity level is that of a low self esteem 15 year old boy barricaded in his mom's basement.
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Yes, those five frames were released with stamps and labels. No explanation for the wrong date and time (not that it matters, probably), other than to say that it "may" have been catalogued at that time. Whatever that means as it applies to this situation.
More on that image. If you run this through (past) 1:26, you will see it in action. Run it through and watch it move toward the building, first, then run it again and pause on 1:26. You will see the ghostly image appear with its tail, body, left wing, and engine on each side. No question, that is what it is extracted from.
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Anyone finds anything about this online, I'd appreciate a link. Seems to be very little info or discussion or anything else on it.
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That video is just like any other of the "released" material from the Pentagon, as an FYI.
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Yes, those five frames were released with stamps and labels. No explanation for the wrong date and time (not that it matters, probably), other than to say that it "may" have been catalogued at that time. Whatever that means as it applies to this situation.
More on that image. If you run this through (past) 1:26, you will see it in action. Run it through and watch it move toward the building, first, then run it again and pause on 1:26. You will see the ghostly image appear with its tail, body, left wing, and engine on each side. No question, that is what it is extracted from.
I am still not sure at what you are getting at.
If you are breaking down this video, it means little unless you have the source vid and know what camera shot the scene. What was the fps and resolution? Was it interlaced (which might cause that ghosting background i think you might be talking about) or progressive? What's the original video format? mp4, avi, .mov, etc.? Was the original vid converted to another format before it was uploaded? Was it converted more than once?
These would seem to me as basic questions. I would think a video expert would be able to know more things to look at.
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I am still not sure at what you are getting at.
If you are breaking down this video, it means little unless you have the source vid and know what camera shot the scene. What was the fps and resolution? Was it interlaced (which might cause that ghosting background i think you might be talking about) or progressive? Was the original vid converted to another format before it was uploaded? Was it converted more than once?
These would seem to me as basic questions. I would think a video expert would be able to know more things to look at.
It's just like any other copy of it. You can find one of your choosing, and go ahead and link it in if you want.
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You are the moron.
You claim to have countless books on 9/11 and yet you don't know how the defense system worked that day?
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The defense system didn't work that day... Orders were given to stand down..come out of the dark ages..
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It's a Pentagon security cam video.
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It's just like any other copy of it. You can find one of your choosing, and go ahead and link it in if you want.
Without the original to examine we are talking in a vacuum... ...with primitive video knowledge to boot.
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The defense system didn't work that day...
It worked like it was designed to work.
Orders were given to stand down..come out of the dark ages..
No. but for fun, when, who and where?
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Without the original to examine we are talking in a vacuum... ...with primitive video knowledge to boot.
So you'd suspect that the copies of this Pentagon security cam video have all been altered to put an image of a plane in them? You could be right, so it would be better for me to try to find an official source.
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Come up with some facts bud.... You sit back like a 4 year old and say 'wrong'. Hani Hanjour couldn't fly a Cessna, you think he flew a jet that day? The jet could not maneuver or fly anywhere near that speed that close to the ground, fact confirmed by many pilots. Apparently you know different.. That hole that penetrated the rings of the Pentagon, way to small for a jet fuselage, and you're utterly retarded to believe a jet fuselage could do so. Impossible. You honestly believe only 1 camera captured the event, wow. WTC 7, watch it and time it. Please refute the fact it fell at free fall speed.. 6.5 seconds. Free fall speed... I'll wait for you to explain that, and how the laws of physics were temporarily suspended that day... Carry on..
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So you'd suspect that the copies of this Pentagon security cam video have all been altered to put an image of a plane in them? You could be right, so it would be better for me to try to find an official source.
No not at all.
What i am saying is that you and i trying to examine a video posted on the web with out any expertise in examining videos, without the original video(this includes any video experts who have examine the online version), with out knowledge of the cam used, and it being very low res, is pointless.
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Come up with some facts bud.... You sit back like a 4 year old and say 'wrong'. Hani Hanjour couldn't fly a Cessna, you think he flew a jet that day? The jet could not maneuver or fly anywhere near that speed that close to the ground, fact confirmed by many pilots. Apparently you know different.. That hole that penetrated the rings of the Pentagon, way to small for a jet fuselage, and you're utterly retarded to believe a jet fuselage could do so. Impossible. You honestly believe only 1 camera captured the event, wow. WTC 7, watch it and time it. Please refute the fact it fell at free fall speed.. 6.5 seconds. Free fall speed... I'll wait for you to explain that, and how the laws of physics were temporarily suspended that day... Carry on..
No. The exterior break is exactly what would be expected.
(http://www.wtfrly.com/wp-content/911truth/911pentagonhole1.jpg)
The small hole you're thinking of, was in the C-Ring:
(http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/docs/exit2.jpg)
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Come up with some facts bud.... You sit back like a 4 year old and say 'wrong'. Hani Hanjour couldn't fly a Cessna, you think he flew a jet that day? The jet could not maneuver or fly anywhere near that speed that close to the ground, fact confirmed by many pilots. Apparently you know different.. That hole that penetrated the rings of the Pentagon, way to small for a jet fuselage, and you're utterly retarded to believe a jet fuselage could do so. Impossible. You honestly believe only 1 camera captured the event, wow. WTC 7, watch it and time it. Please refute the fact it fell at free fall speed.. 6.5 seconds. Free fall speed... I'll wait for you to explain that, and how the laws of physics were temporarily suspended that day... Carry on..
You said:
Orders were given to stand down..
Can you back that up or not? Show when, who, where etc.?
That's all i am asking.
If you want me to address the hole in the pentagon or what every else you wrote up there I will be more than happy to.
but what i don't want to do is play the jumping game, where you keep bringing up more stuff. Let's just stick on 1 thing for a while.
You pick it, i don't care what it is.
Thanks for responding civilly.
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No. The exterior break is exactly what would be expected.
(http://www.wtfrly.com/wp-content/911truth/911pentagonhole1.jpg)
The small hole you're thinking of, was in the C-Ring:
(http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/docs/exit2.jpg)
One of the biggest charges truthers have is lack of debris. What's not considered is the various materials used in various parts of the plane, speed, impact, etc.
That's why sometimes is there is very little left in a plane crash.
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No not at all.
What i am saying is that you and i trying to examine a video posted on the web with out any expertise in examining videos, without the original video(this includes any video experts who have examine the online version), with out knowledge of the cam used, and it being very low res, is pointless.
It was recorded with the Pentagon security camera. It is the famous footage we have all seen.
But I will find something on an official server. What I posted was uploaded in 2008 by History Commons (with no mention of plane image to this day).
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It was recorded with the Pentagon security camera. It is the famous footage we have all seen.
But I will find something on an official server. What I posted was uploaded in 2008 by History Commons (with no mention of plane image to this day).
Even then, we wouldn't know for sure about anything without the actual file.
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Come up with some facts bud.... You sit back like a 4 year old and say 'wrong'. Hani Hanjour couldn't fly a Cessna, you think he flew a jet that day? The jet could not maneuver or fly anywhere near that speed that close to the ground, fact confirmed by many pilots. Apparently you know different.. That hole that penetrated the rings of the Pentagon, way to small for a jet fuselage, and you're utterly retarded to believe a jet fuselage could do so. Impossible. You honestly believe only 1 camera captured the event, wow. WTC 7, watch it and time it. Please refute the fact it fell at free fall speed.. 6.5 seconds. Free fall speed... I'll wait for you to explain that, and how the laws of physics were temporarily suspended that day... Carry on..
You make some Good Points.
And hopefully they will be answered or have been answered in the 'Official Story'
No I haven't read it all Or In fact very much of it Before Someone jumps on that.
1, is it really possible for a very inexperienced pilot to fly that low & for there be no marks on the ground.
2, The News Clips Reports of WTC 7 Coming down 20mins before it did.
3, Thermite explosive traces found.
4, Bush saying he saw the 1st plane hit the tower.
5, Speed of fall of the Buildings.
6, WTC 7 Falling in a very similar manner to the twin towers.
7, Really only one Camera at the pentagon caught the object hitting it & that's the best view.
Just asking for some honest definitive answers.
No name calling , no nonsense , just some definitive answers.
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Even then, we wouldn't know for sure about anything without the actual file.
To say that someone might have altered a copy being held on an official server?
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So you'd suspect that the copies of this Pentagon security cam video have all been altered to put an image of a plane in them? You could be right, so it would be better for me to try to find an official source.
No, he's actually naive enough to believe that is the only camera that captured the event that day..
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I'll look around for some official release, because it's good advice to be careful what you're looking at.
But I do believe we've found the plane.
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You said:
Can you back that up or not? Show when, who, where etc.?
That's all i am asking.
If you want me to address the hole in the pentagon or what every else you wrote up there I will be more than happy to.
but what i don't want to do is play the jumping game, where you keep bringing up more stuff. Let's just stick on 1 thing for a while.
You pick it, i don't care what it is.
Thanks for responding civilly.
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No, he's actually naive enough to believe that is the only camera that captured the event that day..
So says the guy who read a bunch of books on 9/11 but doesn't know how the defense system worked that day.
Com on man, you want this to slide back down into personal attacks or what?
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To say that someone might have altered a copy being held on an official server?
Again that's not what i am saying.
What i am saying:
is that you and i trying to examine a video posted on the web with out any expertise in examining videos, without the original video(this includes any video experts who have examine the online version), with out knowledge of the cam used, and it being very low res, is pointless.
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You make some Good Points.
And hopefully they will be answered or have been answered in the 'Official Story'
No I haven't read it all Or In fact very much of it Before Someone jumps on that.
1, is it really possible for a very inexperienced pilot to fly that low & for there be no marks on the ground.
2, The News Clips Reports of WTC 7 Coming down 20mins before it did.
3, Thermite explosive traces found.
4, Bush saying he saw the 1st plane hit the tower.
5, Speed of fall of the Buildings.
6, WTC 7 Falling in a very similar manner to the twin towers.
7, Really only one Camera at the pentagon caught the object hitting it & that's the best view.
Just asking for some honest definitive answers.
No name calling , no nonsense , just some definitive answers.
I start with the easiest one. The rest of them require far more than simple 1-3 paragraph answers.
#2 The News Clips Reports of WTC 7 Coming down 20mins before it did.
News reports occasionally get things wrong. Either the report given to them is wrong or the reporter misreads its or just gaffes it.
"If" WTC 7 was demolished what point would there be telling a news station to report it fell when at some point its gonna fall and when that happens everyone is going to report it?
I have always been miffed as to why CT'ers point to this because it doesn't really mean anything.
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Again that's not what i am saying.
What i am saying:
is that you and i trying to examine a video posted on the web with out any expertise in examining videos, without the original video(this includes any video experts who have examine the online version), with out knowledge of the cam used, and it being very low res, is pointless.
But you're not saying the Pentagon security cam videos are valueless to the average viewer, are you?
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But you're not saying the Pentagon security cam videos are valueless to the average viewer, are you?
valueless in what regard?
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There are actually two of them, showing a slightly different view from one another (both of these are from earlier in thread, including the one Straw Man posted)
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Yes, so top one is when the tail appears above the box, and with nothing in background to camouflage it.
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You guys looking for alternatives to say that no plane hit, have your work cut out for you.
Check for a missile coming off the bottom. That could be your answer, right there.
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I start with the easiest one. The rest of them require far more than simple 1-3 paragraph answers.
#2 The News Clips Reports of WTC 7 Coming down 20mins before it did.
News reports occasionally get things wrong. Either the report given to them is wrong or the reporter misreads its or just gaffes it.
"If" WTC 7 was demolished what point would there be telling a news station to report it fell when at some point its gonna fall and when that happens everyone is going to report it?
I have always been miffed as to why CT'ers point to this because it doesn't really mean anything.
Of course it doesn't mean anything. Let's start with just one piece of evidence that proves the entire thing was an inside job... WTC 7 fell into its own footprint in 6.5 seconds.....FREE FALL SPEED... Explain that... Explain how the laws of physics were temporarily suspended that day..this one piece of evidence proves the entire bullshit story of the 9/11 commission is a farce. There was no resistance from the floors below, which means, controlled demo..look up photos of other building collapses due to structural failure... There is never a total and complete collapse.. It's always asymmetrical and a partial collapse. This is not even debatable...It never happens. Compare how that building fell, and how buildings fall in controlled demo.... Exact same.
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You guys looking for alternatives to say that no plane hit, have your work cut out for you.
Check for a missile coming off the bottom. That could be your answer, right there.
Yeah, okay.. First honestly answer how that jet can fly that low to the ground at that speed. It cannot, it's impossible. Pilots of that jet confirm it... Now, if it hit the Pentagon that low, the engines would have hit the ground causing the plane to crash before it hit the building. Correct? The supposed pilot could not even fly a Cessna, confirmed by flight instructor, but he could make an impossible maneuver in that jet and fly it that low, and hit the Pentagon? Right... I think the people that believe a plane hit the Pentagon are the ones that have their work cut out for them.
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One of the biggest charges truthers have is lack of debris. What's not considered is the various materials used in various parts of the plane, speed, impact, etc.
That's why sometimes is there is very little left in a plane crash.
Wrong. Look at any plane crash, even nose dives. There is always debris. Where are the massive engines? You can't have it both ways... You claim the jet was so strong to penetrate the rings of the Pentagon, but yet there is no wreckage? Which one is it, can't be both... So strong to penetrate, but then just vaporized?
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Of course it doesn't mean anything. Let's start with just one piece of evidence that proves the entire thing was an inside job... WTC 7 fell into its own footprint in 6.5 seconds.....FREE FALL SPEED... Explain that... Explain how the laws of physics were temporarily suspended that day..this one piece of evidence proves the entire bullshit story of the 9/11 commission is a farce. There was no resistance from the floors below, which means, controlled demo..look up photos of other building collapses due to structural failure... There is never a total and complete collapse.. It's always asymmetrical and a partial collapse. This is not even debatable...It never happens. Compare how that building fell, and how buildings fall in controlled demo.... Exact same.
WTC 7 it is then!
So let's stay here on this subject ok?
It's late Friday afternoon where I am at, so I might spend a bit of time on this tomorrow,but will spend time for sure Monday. (Didnt want you to think I was being silent)
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I start with the easiest one. The rest of them require far more than simple 1-3 paragraph answers.
#2 The News Clips Reports of WTC 7 Coming down 20mins before it did.
News reports occasionally get things wrong. Either the report given to them is wrong or the reporter misreads its or just gaffes it.
"If" WTC 7 was demolished what point would there be telling a news station to report it fell when at some point its gonna fall and when that happens everyone is going to report it?
I have always been miffed as to why CT'ers point to this because it doesn't really mean anything.
If it is the easiest to answer then why havnt you.
Saying Some times news readers get it wrong is not a clear answer to the fact that 2 very large worldwide news broadcasting stations both reported a building had fallen when in view of behind one of the reporters the building was clearly visible.
And the fact they reported it 20 minutes before it actually fell.
Passed the wrong information - clearly not -- Passed it 20 mins to early Yes.
Do news readers get things / read things wrong of course they do -- Only they weren't wrong - Again only 20mins to early.
It means quite a lot had they reported another building had come down & it didn't it wouldn't mean a lot.
The fact they report on a building coming being down when it is still standing IS Slightly More Baffling.
Enough with CT'ers Name -- I'll Make it Clear For You.
I Have any kind of Agenda as to Who Was Behind The Happenings of That Day or Why.
And I Have No Feelings Either Way, Other than a lot of innocent people lost their lives
In some very horrific circumstances.
As I Asked -- I would Like Somethings Explained in a logical Rational Answer.
Thanks for trying to come up with an answer.
If this is so difficult to answer specifically -- What are the other answers going to be like.
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Yeah, okay.. First honestly answer how that jet can fly that low to the ground at that speed. It cannot, it's impossible. Pilots of that jet confirm it... Now, if it hit the Pentagon that low, the engines would have hit the ground causing the plane to crash before it hit the building. Correct? The supposed pilot could not even fly a Cessna, confirmed by flight instructor, but he could make an impossible maneuver in that jet and fly it that low, and hit the Pentagon? Right... I think the people that believe a plane hit the Pentagon are the ones that have their work cut out for them.
I agree. It absolutely freaks me out to see how low it was.
I say, though, when you look at the break and look at the people for scale, you'll see that the engine bottoms may have been nearly 10 feet up.
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If it is the easiest to answer then why havnt you.
Saying Some times news readers get it wrong is not a clear answer to the fact that 2 very large worldwide news broadcasting stations both reported a building had fallen when in view of behind one of the reporters the building was clearly visible.
And the fact they reported it 20 minutes before it actually fell.
Passed the wrong information - clearly not -- Passed it 20 mins to early Yes.
Do news readers get things / read things wrong of course they do -- Only they weren't wrong - Again only 20mins to early.
It means quite a lot had they reported another building had come down & it didn't it wouldn't mean a lot.
The fact they report on a building coming being down when it is still standing IS Slightly More Baffling.
Enough with CT'ers Name -- I'll Make it Clear For You.
I Have any kind of Agenda as to Who Was Behind The Happenings of That Day or Why.
And I Have No Feelings Either Way, Other than a lot of innocent people lost their lives
In some very horrific circumstances.
As I Asked -- I would Like Somethings Explained in a logical Rational Answer.
Thanks for trying to come up with an answer.
If this is so difficult to answer specifically -- What are the other answers going to be like.
Dude I can't answer for the news station. I can tell you that news stories occasionally get miss reported especially during a chaotic event. What I can also tell you is that this particular charge or question you have is irrelevant to a CT in that there is no point to it.
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I've got to ask, now, lilhawk. Do you believe the images were added to that footage? Where do you say the missile was launched from?
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Wrong. Look at any plane crash, even nose dives. There is always debris. Where are the massive engines? You can't have it both ways... You claim the jet was so strong to penetrate the rings of the Pentagon, but yet there is no wreckage? Which one is it, can't be both... So strong to penetrate, but then just vaporized?
In the previous pages of this thread those questions have been answered with links and pics by me and others. I will link them tomorrow or Monday.
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I agree. It absolutely freaks me out to see how low it was.
I say, though, when you look at the break and look at the people for scale, you'll see that the engine bottoms may have been nearly 10 feet up.
Well that's impossible for the hole to be that low to the ground on the Pentagon then....Absolutely impossible.
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Dude I can't answer for the news station. I can tell you that news stories occasionally get miss reported especially during a chaotic event. What I can also tell you is that this particular charge or question you have is irrelevant to a CT in that there is no point to it.
Again we are clearly agreed on news stations getting things wrong.
Only they didn't get it wrong - They Broadcast a Building as being Collapsed 20 mins before it did Fall Down.
Again your with the CT thing -- I explained my Thoughts.
It's a relevant question & requires a clear answer.
You Stated to another Poster You would Explain & Clear up anything they asked 1 at a time.
I asked 7 Questions & you haven't Been Able to Satisfactorily answer 1 -- The easiest one according to you.
Clearly it is not that easy.
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Is not the goverment, is the people involved in the Government at the highest level, two different things. They tell you goverment doesn't work, what they don't tell you is that they go into goverment and destroy it and then go and say "See goverment doesn't work" examples: 9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan, the crash of 2008, Syria, Lybia, etc.
Great post
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Just look at his name(Oldtimer), biggest generation of dupes.
It's because they've been conditioned for so long. Younger generation is snapping out of it and media brainwashing is coming to an end.
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Great post
This is so true. Which makes things all the more doable because of compartmentalization and plausible deniability. Lots of good honest folk in goverment just a few rotten to the core neo cons.
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I've got to ask, now, lilhawk. Do you believe the images were added to that footage? Where do you say the missile was launched from?
Dimitri Khalezov
Watch the whole video, out all the hypothesis, he's the one that so far makes the most sense, suposly they could have lunched a missile with the form of a plane from the sea, a submarine probably? The point that he was making to back it up is that they sent two fighter jet to patrol to the Atlantic ocean right after the incident which it can be seen in the documentary 9/11 The New Pearl Harbor.
Some examples:
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSSk1yXz8615N8ZasjBbRoJ_8uNmVvBg5mYj4b5F6bxvjZCVEWYoA)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQK0GL2daIk-rcAJUj4HQ9TjQY7203uvbf0g5yPzN7Md7DT-jGj)
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT6BE6Pua4MWq7JF9DDj5gf8c9G3z6g5k_LmeEMh9brq4VRsSLO)
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(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSC9REHhiNip8VXAteMjSquh_1zvnYXwl95aJiuYiBFqF_8bR-Ulg)
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQtlRYAczJ1azEUXKgdEysYZ4kpKx9MAt41CE9z7zmWNT_uB1f2)
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Well that's impossible for the hole to be that low to the ground on the Pentagon then....Absolutely impossible.
No, this is where it's said the plane entered:
(http://www.wtfrly.com/wp-content/911truth/911pentagonhole1.jpg)
That section of facade then fell down approximately 20 minutes later:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/Aerial_view_of_the_Pentagon_during_rescue_operations_post-September_11_attack.JPEG)
That is a dark tree to the right of it in the picture, btw, lest someone think it is more damage.
The small hole you're thinking of, is two rings in (C-Ring) and it is a little more mysterious. But no one claims a plane body went through it, though, and that's where the confusion is.
Here's that one:
(http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/docs/exit2.jpg)
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Paranoid much?
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Suffering from low self esteem?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA
Feeling a lack of control?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA
Feeling like you need to belong to a larger group?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH AH
once again running to another subject like a typical cowardly CT'er. Backpeddler HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
You still haven't completed your challenge yet.
Although you pussed out like a discarded bitch on 2 of 3 of them.
Like i said, i don't really care what you do. You are one of the most stupid people i have ever dealt with regarding CT's. Your maturity level is that of a low self esteem 15 year old boy barricaded in his mom's basement.
I don't understand so you are saying government does not hire misinformation contractors??
To my understanding they do...
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I think you are wrong on that one, srry. I was referring to Vegas picture.
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I don't understand so you are saying government does not hire misinformation contractors??
To my understanding they do...
(http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?2,file=61384,filename=dont-feed-the-trolls.jpg)
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(http://911review.org/brad.com/pentagon/pic/912_A-EDrive4.JPG)
Hey Vegas look at the sign that says "No parking at any time"
So the picture is from the inside.
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Watch this video... Tell me there wasn't a stand down order that day from Dickhead Cheney....
Oops... 9/11 commissioner slips up..listen close now
Interesting...wonder why this never aired again
How can any sane person watch this one and think a plane made this nice neat small hole.
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This is so true. Which makes things all the more doable because of compartmentalization and plausible deniability. Lots of good honest folk in goverment just a few rotten to the core neo cons.
I believe this is why the effort went into communicating "conspiracy theorist" = "bad" (do they mean prosecutors? because they spend their entire lives being conspiracy theorists) CIA started doing it about the time of the JFK hit.
It is actually quite sad, when you think about it. But if it costs us our Constitution, then it should make people very angry. At that point, though, it will be too late.
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No, this is where it's said the plane entered:
(http://www.wtfrly.com/wp-content/911truth/911pentagonhole1.jpg)
That section of facade then fell down approximately 20 minutes later:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/Aerial_view_of_the_Pentagon_during_rescue_operations_post-September_11_attack.JPEG)
That is a dark tree to the right of it in the picture, btw, lest someone think it is more damage.
The small hole you're thinking of, is two rings in (C-Ring) and it is a little more mysterious. But no one claims a plane body went through it, though, and that's where the confusion is.
Here's that one:
(http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/docs/exit2.jpg)
The hole is from a missile with a penetrating warhead.....period. The fuselage of the plane cannot do that.. The hole is too small, it's at the base of the building. The fuselage would have fallen apart when it hit the outside of the building. The engines would have hit the ground long before the plane reached the building. It's very simple....There was no plane. For reference look how small the sign is on the building.....now compare it to a jet and you get the idea how small the hole is...that's not from a plane.
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(http://911review.org/brad.com/pentagon/pic/912_A-EDrive4.JPG)
Hey Vegas look at the sign that says "No parking at any time"
So the picture is from the inside.
Yes, it is a street. Not sure if they've changed that since then, but that's the way it was at that time.
That hole has been attributed to the nose-cone by some, others say an engine, and others say landing gear (IMO the landing gear is what caused it).
I'd like to get something to confirm that it was cut in that shape after the fact, though. But I believe it would be standard procedure to secure hazards like that.
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The hole is from a missile with a penetrating warhead.....period. The fuselage of the plane cannot do that.. The hole is too small, it's at the base of the building. The fuselage would have fallen apart when it hit the outside of the building. The engines would have hit the ground long before the plane reached the building. It's very simple....There was no plane. For reference look how small the sign is on the building.....now compare it to a jet and you get the idea how small the hole is...that's not from a plane.
Pictures of the lawn which make hard to believe that flight 77 a Boeing 757-223 crashed into the Pentagon at the level that it did.
(http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/lawn1.jpg)
(http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/docs/pentagon_lawn.jpg)
(http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/docs/satellite_lawn.jpg)
(http://911review.org/images/snopes/pentagonxox.JPG)
(http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/images/flight77/lawn/purdue_sim.jpg)
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The hole is from a missile with a penetrating warhead.....period. The fuselage of the plane cannot do that.. The hole is too small, it's at the base of the building. The fuselage would have fallen apart when it hit the outside of the building. The engines would have hit the ground long before the plane reached the building. It's very simple....There was no plane. For reference look how small the sign is on the building.....now compare it to a jet and you get the idea how small the hole is...that's not from a plane.
No, no one claims that as being from the body. People claim that it could not be from the body, so somehow we're supposed to reason-out that others are making the opposing claim in the first place. But they're not.
No, it's said to be from a heavy part. But if you believe it's from a warhead, and especially if you find evidence to say the hole remained untouched from the hit, then I'd advise you to study that footage for signs of missile fire. I wouldn't blame you at all for doing that.
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The landing gear did not cause that hole. It's perfectly round, are landing gear going to creat a nice round hole? No. The nose of the plane could not have done it either because the engines would have hit the ground long before the plane hit the building. Why do you refuse to accept the fact it was a missile? I'm not being a smart ass either. It's the only explanation.. Think about it: plane could not fly that low or at that speed, engines would have hit the ground, completely incompetent pilot, not even an experienced pilot could do that, no debris, only one shitty camera angle of the most secure building in existence, stand down order from Dickhead Cheney, this plane hit 45 minutes after the towers were struck, 45 minutes...It would have been shot down.. Slip ups from Cheney, Rumsfeld, others saying missile hit the building, penetrated 4 rings of pentagon, perfectly round, small hole. This is just a few of the things proving missile.
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The landing gear did not cause that hole. It's perfectly round, are landing gear going to creat a nice round hole? No. The nose of the plane could not have done it either because the engines would have hit the ground long before the plane hit the building. Why do you refuse to accept the fact it was a missile? I'm not being a smart ass either. It's the only explanation.. Think about it: plane could not fly that low or at that speed, engines would have hit the ground, completely incompetent pilot, not even an experienced pilot could do that, no debris, only one shitty camera angle of the most secure building in existence, stand down order from Dickhead Cheney, this plane hit 45 minutes after the towers were struck, 45 minutes...It would have been shot down.. Slip ups from Cheney, Rumsfeld, others saying missile hit the building, penetrated 4 rings of pentagon, perfectly round, small hole. This is just a few of the things proving missile.
I am very interested in the thought of a missile being fired from the plane. When you consider how important it would be to blend all damage (for those with me in the plane theory), it could only make sense to say it would be fired that way, with all due respect to the above which Matador posted.
But the fact is that hazards are among the first things handled in situations like this, and if that hole was jagged and threatening, then it would have been cut to look exactly as you see it.
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But if that hole is as-is, then I'd be highly suspicious.
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Something to think about, is that it only makes sense to say the internet is deliberately flooded with pseudo-conspiracy nonsense by those who would want to cast the belief that "conspiracy theorist = bad". Of course.
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So watch what you back, bros. Be careful what you endorse.
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The landing gear did not cause that hole. It's perfectly round, are landing gear going to creat a nice round hole? No. The nose of the plane could not have done it either because the engines would have hit the ground long before the plane hit the building. Why do you refuse to accept the fact it was a missile? I'm not being a smart ass either. It's the only explanation.. Think about it: plane could not fly that low or at that speed, engines would have hit the ground, completely incompetent pilot, not even an experienced pilot could do that, no debris, only one shitty camera angle of the most secure building in existence, stand down order from Dickhead Cheney, this plane hit 45 minutes after the towers were struck, 45 minutes...It would have been shot down.. Slip ups from Cheney, Rumsfeld, others saying missile hit the building, penetrated 4 rings of pentagon, perfectly round, small hole. This is just a few of the things proving missile.
That's the thing, once the second plane hit, they were talking about a terrorists attack all over the news, so you are going to tell me the best and most defended building in the United States got exposed like that specially having an air defense system? 45 min? When it takes 10 to 15 min to scramble jet fighters?
The best part is that not only did the officer in charged that day did not get demoted or fired in the military, they got promoted. Talking about an inside job. But according to certain individual here it was all coincidence.
Who was responsible for these “failures” and who got promoted?
One major failure was the fact that none of aircraft involved in the attacks were intercepted, despite routine procedure. On 9/11, according to Laura Brown of the FAA, “Within minutes after the first aircraft hit the World Trade Center, the FAA immediately established several phone bridges that included FAA field facilities, the FAA Command Center, FAA headquarters, DOD [meaning the NMCC in the Department of Defense], the Secret Service… The US Air Force liaison to the FAA immediately joined the FAA headquarters phone bridge and established contact with NORAD… The FAA shared real-time information on the phone bridges about the unfolding events, including information about loss of communication with aircraft, loss of transponder signals, unauthorized changes in course, and other actions being taken by all the flights of interest.”[12]
http://arabesque911.blogspot.nl/2007/11/911-incompetence-sabotage-and.html#_edn10
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So watch what you back, bros. Be careful what you endorse.
The thing is I'm not endorsing anything regardless of the points I have pointed out in this thread like how the 15 floors could have brought the rest of 95 floors to the ground, the only reason I had heated arguments is because Ozmo and Ropo came into the thread like the typical Government shills to troll this thread. But at this point after all the information and videos I posted it's already clear what happened.
9/11 was the mother of all false flag operation to use this country for different goals. The CIA and our military as the cover arm of multinational corporations defending American interest abroad, example Afghanistan with the drug trade(Oxycotton, pharma), laundering drug money through and for the banks and the pipe that they wanted to run through the country for gas and all the exotic mineral need it for electronic and lithium batteries.
Iraq serve two purposes, the Neocons with the military industrial complex and the Zionist in destabilizing the Middle East, pitting Muslims(Shia and Sunni) against each other while sending their countries decades back and Israel ready to expand and go in there with their multinational corporations and take it all.
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The thing is I'm not endorsing anything regardless of the points I have pointed out in this thread like how the 15 floors could have brought the rest of 95 floors to the ground, the only reason I had heated arguments is because Ozmo and Ropo came into the thread like the typical Government shills to troll this thread. But at this point after all the information and videos I posted it's already clear what happened.
9/11 was the mother of all false flag operation to use this country for different goals. The CIA and our military as the cover arm of multinational corporations defending American interest abroad, example Afghanistan with the drug trade(Oxycotton, pharma), laundering drug money through and for the banks and the pipe that they wanted to run through the country for gas and all the exotic mineral need it for electronic and lithium batteries.
Iraq serve two purposes, the Neocons with the military industrial complex and the Zionist in destabilizing the Middle East, pitting Muslims(Shia and Sunni) against each other while sending their countries decades back and Israel ready expand and go in there with their multinational corporations and take it all.
No, you generally do well, actually. From what I've seen.
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9/11-Case Closed: Watch all the videos, put the information together, follow the links, read the information, believe what you want. All that is left is to open an official investigation from the Government to put the perpetrators in jail in order to get our country back.
9/11-- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL)
911-Conspiracy Finally Solved!: Names, Connections, Motives, 911Matrix of Details Exposed!
CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN EXPLAINS WITH FACTS WHY AND HOW ISRAEL DID 9-11
Dimitri Khalezov has been an expert in nuclear demolition
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Pentagon Employee Witness Says There Was No Plane on 9-11-2001!
Listen carefully, chilling recalling of the incident.
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That's the thing, once the second plane hit, they were talking about a terrorists attack all over the news, so you are going to tell me the best and most defended building in the United States got exposed like that specially having an air defense system? 45 min? When it takes 10 to 15 min to scramble jet fighters?
The best part is that not only did the officer in charged that day did not get demoted or fired in the military, they got promoted. Talking about an inside job. But according to certain individual here it was all coincidence.
Who was responsible for these “failures” and who got promoted?
One major failure was the fact that none of aircraft involved in the attacks were intercepted, despite routine procedure. On 9/11, according to Laura Brown of the FAA, “Within minutes after the first aircraft hit the World Trade Center, the FAA immediately established several phone bridges that included FAA field facilities, the FAA Command Center, FAA headquarters, DOD [meaning the NMCC in the Department of Defense], the Secret Service… The US Air Force liaison to the FAA immediately joined the FAA headquarters phone bridge and established contact with NORAD… The FAA shared real-time information on the phone bridges about the unfolding events, including information about loss of communication with aircraft, loss of transponder signals, unauthorized changes in course, and other actions being taken by all the flights of interest.”[12]
http://arabesque911.blogspot.nl/2007/11/911-incompetence-sabotage-and.html#_edn10
Here's another interesting tidbit. Up until June 2001, the power to give the order to shoot down a civilian aircraft was always in the hands of military generals. In June 2001, Donald Rumsfeld took that power from them and gave it to guess who? None other than Dick Cheney... 3 months before 9/11. He was given the power to order a civilian jet to be shot down, or to stand down and not shoot it down....just another coincidence I suppose..
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Here's another interesting tidbit. Up until June 2001, the power to give the order to shoot down a civilian aircraft was always in the hands of military generals. In June 2001, Donald Rumsfeld took that power from them and gave it to guess who? None other than Dick Cheney... 3 months before 9/11. He was given the power to order a civilian jet to be shot down, or to stand down and not shoot it down....just another coincidence I suppose..
Could you give more info or a link?
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This video takes the cake, apparently the Pentagon had spent years looking for Osama Bin Laden and couldn't find him, low and behold a reporter and his camera crew from CNN goes to Afghanistan, finds him,
interviews Bin Laden and his top leadership on June, 28 of 2001, they come back and warns the public that he(Bin Laden) plans to attack America in 3 week, you just can't make this shit up, if this does not tell you that Bin
Laden was a CIA cover agent, than you would believe anything the Government tells you. This is beyond fiction. Remember "el chapo" interview with Sean Penn, and later he got capture? You can not tell me the CIA
couldn't have spoken to the CNN crew, localize Bin Laden and help the military to take him out. How much bullshit is the goverment made of?
The most dangerous 911 video ever!
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Could you give more info or a link?
Here you go:
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Pentagon Employee Witness Says There Was No Plane on 9-11-2001!
Listen carefully, chilling recalling of the incident.
Bitter ex -employee sacked for incompetence speaks out.
Lol, no evidence that anything hit the building, it was an explosion, so, she doesnt back the missile theory then?
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Ropo, you do not bring anything new to the discussion, Ozmo tried, but like always, I already OWNED him right away, you? You are just some bothersome loser too stupid to understand that you are not wanted here or anywhere in Getbig anymore, got it?
Make it interesting, create good posts presenting new evidence that supports the official goverment side so I can debunk it, ok? Not long paragraphs regurgitating what we already cover.
Until then
(http://www.troll.me/images/uncle-sam/we-want-you-to-get-the-fuck-out.jpg)
Dear child: All I have to do is point out the fact that there wasn't any explosions at the WTC towers, and that you can't prove shit about that crap you use to fill this thread, and by doing that I show what a moron you are. That is all what I have to do, because you are totally incompetent retard what comes to presenting evidence. All you have is futile foil hat crap, nothing more, and everybody see that. Blind faith keep you going, and that is synonym for stupidity ;D
See you after 10 more pages of that crap you are throwing, you see, the real people has some other things to do in their life than sit here ranting some completely ridiculous foil hat theory. You don't have any life at all, no friends, nothing else to do, so you spend here 24/7 like a moron. I take a peek once and a while, and prove your stupidity because it doesn't be any effort at all. Have a nice weekend, stupid ;D
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Watched an old Doc on the Manhattan Project. American's research and development of nuclear weapons. Of the over 125,000 people who worked on this project, no one ever leaked what was going on there. In fact, only a few dozen even knew what was really going on. It wasn't until American dropped two bombs on Japan that the people who worked there now knew what they helped create. That's why you have to laugh when people say there has to be hundreds if not thousands of people who would be in on 9/11 and know about it. The Manhattan Project tells us the exact opposite. It tells us that keeping a secret, a massive secret, is pretty easy for any Government...
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Watched an old Doc on the Manhattan Project. American's research and development of nuclear weapons. Of the over 125,000 people who worked on this project, no one ever leaked what was going on there. In fact, only a few dozen even knew what was really going on. It wasn't until American dropped two bombs on Japan that the people who worked there now knew what they helped create. That's why you have to laugh when people say there has to be hundreds if not thousands of people who would be in on 9/11 and know about it. The Manhattan Project tells us the exact opposite. It tells us that keeping a secret, a massive secret, is pretty easy for any Government...
so 125,000 worked on something they didnt know they were working on?
I know Americans are pretty dumb but even thats not possible.
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Still waiting for one of the government shills here to prove that WTC 7 did not fall at free fall speed into its own footprint. Good luck....The laws of physics still stand, even for that day believe it or not.. The 3rd building that day to defy the laws of physics. Tell you what, we should be very afraid that at any time the laws of physics can possibly be suspended on any given day....what the hell are we going to do?
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Something worth mentioning again (others already have) is that it is stunning to realize the plane was going that fast, and that low, without a trace to say it even touched the ground. That is really crazy. The left wing is said to have been clipped by the ground and lost before the building, but that must have happened in the fire area.
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Here you go:
Yeah, I'll check this out.
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Still waiting for one of the government shills here to prove that WTC 7 did not fall at free fall speed into its own footprint. Good luck....The laws of physics still stand, even for that day believe it or not.. The 3rd building that day to defy the laws of physics. Tell you what, we should be very afraid that at any time the laws of physics can possibly be suspended on any given day....what the hell are we going to do?
Of course it doesn't mean anything. Let's start with just one piece of evidence that proves the entire thing was an inside job... WTC 7 fell into its own footprint in 6.5 seconds.....FREE FALL SPEED... Explain that... Explain how the laws of physics were temporarily suspended that day..this one piece of evidence proves the entire bullshit story of the 9/11 commission is a farce. There was no resistance from the floors below, which means, controlled demo..look up photos of other building collapses due to structural failure... There is never a total and complete collapse.. It's always asymmetrical and a partial collapse. This is not even debatable...It never happens. Compare how that building fell, and how buildings fall in controlled demo.... Exact same.
Let’s start with “WTC 7 fell into its own footprint”
WTC 7 did not fall into it’s own footprint.
WTC site plan:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/WTC_Building_Arrangement_and_Site_Plan.svg/800px-WTC_Building_Arrangement_and_Site_Plan.svg.png)
If it fell on to its own foot print the Verison Building would not be damaged:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Verizon_building_damage.jpg/140px-Verizon_building_damage.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Verizon_building_damage2.jpg/225px-Verizon_building_damage2.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Verizon_building_damage3.jpg)
Nor would there be damage to Filterman hall,
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Fiterman_hall_damage.jpg/150px-Fiterman_hall_damage.jpg)
(http://mceer.buffalo.edu/meetings/wtc/web/web06.jpg)
Nor damage to the building north of WTC 7 with the terrace
(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2116/144/1600/wtcjd8.jpg)
Conclusion: Footprint argument=debunked
Next:
“6.5 seconds.....FREE FALL SPEED” (I am assuming you think it shouldn’t have looked like it went down all at once.)
It pancaked. Think of the steel beams as connected straws that crumple. The steel beams weaken, to the weight above and buckle providing no resistance until it came to non-buckled beams on the lower floors. (Steel loses its strength when heated) Large chunks of WTC 7 were damaged. (I can post those pics if you want, they are available on the net as well as fireman statements to that regard) Hence it looks as though it all comes down at once. but it came down in stages. Look closely at the video and you will see the 3:58 Mark it doesn’t come down all at once, the Penthouse on the left goes first, supporting the report that the floors failed imploding the building.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnLcUxV1dPo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnLcUxV1dPo)
Conclusion: Freefall speed argument debunked
Explain that... Explain how the laws of physics were temporarily suspended that day..this one piece of evidence proves the entire bullshit story of the 9/11 commission is a farce. There was no resistance from the floors below, which means, controlled demo..look up photos of other building collapses due to structural failure... There is never a total and complete collapse.. It's always asymmetrical and a partial collapse. This is not even debatable...It never happens. Compare how that building fell, and how buildings fall in controlled demo.... Exact same
The rest of this is an assumption based on pre conceived belief without a legitimate knowledge base.
I totally agree with you that it very similar to a demolition. However, many things can look like one thing but be something entirely different. Once the facts are brought to bear the reality is revealed.
Additionally, lets say none of my above arguments are valid, you are still left a video only and no other evidence that it was prewired and demolished. And if it was prewired, it would be stupid to think that it didn’t explode much sooner when it caught fire, burned for hours and was severely damaged.
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Again we are clearly agreed on news stations getting things wrong.
Only they didn't get it wrong - They Broadcast a Building as being Collapsed 20 mins before it did Fall Down.
They got it wrong because the building hadn't collapse when they reported it did.
Again your with the CT thing -- I explained my Thoughts.
It's a relevant question & requires a clear answer.
You Stated to another Poster You would Explain & Clear up anything they asked 1 at a time.
I asked 7 Questions & you haven't Been Able to Satisfactorily answer 1 -- The easiest one according to you.
Clearly it is not that easy.
My answer is not satisfactory to you. Its common sense. Telling a news organization to report a building collapsed when you were going to collapse anyway is pointless.
Your WTC 7 question is being answered in another discussion in the above post.
At some point i will get to your other ones (from discussions from other posters), but seeing from your reaction at my attempt at answering the mistaken news report it might be a waste of time. The false new report can't even be identified as a smoking gun for common sense reasons and you and I can't seem to agree on that.
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Buildign 7
(http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/docs/wtc7_pile2.jpg)
(https://kendoc911.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/wtc7comparisons.jpg)
[imghttps://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS6sorPn8ncatC5EVOf iS79DmoYPJ2JpTndYdMkv5qJ qDuvVK-_]http://[/img]
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/media.wbur.org/wordpress/12/files/2011/08/0825_911_crop-500x300.jpg) Look closey whrere building 7 was and the Deutsche bank is. Black building to the left of twin towers,
(http://www.911babystep.com/WTC%20fish-eye.jpg)
(http://ae911truth.info/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/WTC7Kink.jpg)
Exposing Ozmo, my business. ;D
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They got it wrong because the building hadn't collapse when they reported it did.
My answer is not satisfactory to you. Its common sense. Telling a news organization to report a building collapsed when you were going to collapse anyway is pointless.
Your WTC 7 question is being answered in another discussion in the above post.
At some point i will get to your other ones (from discussions from other posters), but seeing from your reaction at my attempt at answering the mistaken news report it might be a waste of time. The false new report can't even be identified as a smoking gun for common sense reasons and you and I can't seem to agree on that.
How could they have guess or get wrong that the Solomon building was coming down in 20 mins before it did, unless the order was given to demolish such building?
This is a common sense answer. Not the tin foil hat bullshit fed to you by the Government. Ask any detective which version would make sense in a investigation, come back here with the answer.
Thank you in advance. ;D
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Buildign 7
(http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/docs/wtc7_pile2.jpg)
(https://kendoc911.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/wtc7comparisons.jpg)
[imghttps://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS6sorPn8ncatC5EVOf iS79DmoYPJ2JpTndYdMkv5qJ qDuvVK-_]http://[/img]
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/media.wbur.org/wordpress/12/files/2011/08/0825_911_crop-500x300.jpg) Look closey whrere building 7 was and the Deutsche bank is. Black building to the left of twin towers,
(http://www.911babystep.com/WTC%20fish-eye.jpg)
(http://ae911truth.info/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/WTC7Kink.jpg)
Exposing Ozmo, my business. ;D
Doesn't refute anything i said, zero.
however here is another classic example of flawed logic from CT'ers
(https://kendoc911.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/wtc7comparisons.jpg)
this pic suggests that because these other buildings didn't collapse from fire that WTC 7 shouldn't have.
This is the same thinking as that pot head from loose change.
And educated person or a person with common sense would immediately ask:
Were the conditions of the buildings that didn't collapse exactly the same as the conditions of WTC 7?
In other words....
Where they designed the same? steel beam structure? # of stories? etc.
Where they damaged by falling debris from a 110 story skyscraper that was damaged (fire fighter reported) 33% percent or more?
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How could they have guess or get wrong that the Solomon building was coming down in 20 mins before it did, unless the order was given to demolish such building?
This is a common sense answer. Not the tin foil hat bullshit fed to you by the Government. Ask any detective which version would make sense in a investigation, come back here with the answer.
Thank you in advance. ;D
It would make no sense to inform a news station that a building went down when it hadn't yet and you going were make sure it went down anyway.
This is as far from a smoking gun as anything could be.
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Classic example of some idiot kid who thinks he knows something but his own words exposes him to be wanna be hack.
"you'd still have the plane sticking out at that point"
text book case of ignorance perhaps one of the dumbest people i have seen on a vid.
he needs to take another bong hit and crawl back in his hole.
and then it shows the desperation of truthers to bend facts to sway people to their side. Typical, same as "Bush said their was explosives int he WTC and 19 goat herders."
Planes disintegrating on impact:
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41094000/jpg/_41094644_longshotgetty416.jpg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Iranian_Air_Force_C-130_crash (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Iranian_Air_Force_C-130_crash)
(http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/iranfocus_iran1.jpg)
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/10346431/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/iranian-military-plane-hits-building-killing/#.VzNf54QrKUk (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/10346431/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/iranian-military-plane-hits-building-killing/#.VzNf54QrKUk)
Where is the c-130?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjhxuhTmGk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjhxuhTmGk)
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2006/08/23/world/23plane.1_600x272.jpg)
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/23/world/europe/23plane.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/23/world/europe/23plane.html?_r=0)
(http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2015/11/02/don-t-believe-russian-airline-s-new-excuse-for-crash/jcr:content/body/inlineimage.img.800.jpg/48216132.cached.jpg)
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/02/don-t-believe-russian-airline-s-new-excuse-for-crash.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/02/don-t-believe-russian-airline-s-new-excuse-for-crash.html)
f-4 crashing into wall
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Here's another interesting tidbit. Up until June 2001, the power to give the order to shoot down a civilian aircraft was always in the hands of military generals. In June 2001, Donald Rumsfeld took that power from them and gave it to guess who? None other than Dick Cheney... 3 months before 9/11. He was given the power to order a civilian jet to be shot down, or to stand down and not shoot it down....just another coincidence I suppose..
This may be off. There's info to say that Cheney was in charge of "training, war games and drills" and that he had a hand in creating all the confusion which caused ATC and others to keep asking whether the attacks were "real world" and whether they should act accordingly. I don't have all the information on Cheney's involvement with that, though. But I think some of those people to this day are still confused about whether the particular thing they were dealing with on 9/11 was a drill or part of a real attack.
I know about the Mineta testimony, however, so maybe this is connected with what you mean. An interesting story which came out long after 9/11, is that the military claims to have ignored -- not refused: they ignored -- an order by Cheney, due to it being outside the chain of command. As if Cheney, who was previously a Defense Secretary himself, didn't know that would happen.
So there you have it. That's what the those particular criminals were up to.
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Anyone who hasn't seen what Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta claims happened while he was with Cheney on 9/11, should look at it.
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Doesn't refute anything i said, zero.
however here is another classic example of flawed logic from CT'ers
(https://kendoc911.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/wtc7comparisons.jpg)
this pic suggests that because these other buildings didn't collapse from fire that WTC 7 shouldn't have.
This is the same thinking as that pot head from loose change.
And educated person or a person with common sense would immediately ask:
Were the conditions of the buildings that didn't collapse exactly the same as the conditions of WTC 7?
In other words....
Where they designed the same? steel beam structure? # of stories? etc.
Where they damaged by falling debris from a 110 story skyscraper that was damaged (fire fighter reported) 33% percent or more?
Why do you think there is this strong movement then?
The educated people after looking at the evidence have ask them self, how could a steel frame skyscraper that was lease to the same person as the twin towers succumbed to fire after only 8 hours that day AND was the only building affected in such manner? How could office fires reached such temperatures? Why did Nist never released their models and calculation for peer review and to this day have turn down all Foia's request?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=607734.0;attach=678497;image)
Was any other building affected in a similar manner? If not how come?
We can see the Deuctche Bank Building standing after the collapse of the Twin towers. That building was right behind and some how survided scott free. Wheren't the condition worst for that building as the twin tower were coming down?
How come no other buliding was cought in a masive fire as WTC 7?
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/media.wbur.org/wordpress/12/files/2011/08/0825_911_crop-500x300.jpg)
(http://cdn2.wn.com/o25/ph/img/15/2b/067942fda4bf7160899eab65367c-grande.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/World_Trade_Center_Site_After_9-11_Attacks_With_Original_Building_Locations.jpg)
The only flaw logic here is from the Government Dick Riders that when confronted with facts, start insulting, lying, and try to change the direction of the conversation just like women do. Are you wearing your tampons today? Apparently not.
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They got it wrong because the building hadn't collapse when they reported it did.
My answer is not satisfactory to you. Its common sense. Telling a news organization to report a building collapsed when you were going to collapse anyway is pointless.
Your WTC 7 question is being answered in another discussion in the above post.
At some point i will get to your other ones (from discussions from other posters), but seeing from your reaction at my attempt at answering the mistaken news report it might be a waste of time. The false new report can't even be identified as a smoking gun for common sense reasons and you and I can't seem to agree on that.
I find it highly unusual that they report on a building coming down 20mins before it actually did.
We're any other building reported as falling down before they had.
They didn't report WTC 1 & 2 coming as being down 20 mins before each did.
Oh I know the WTC 1&2 were much bigger buildings That They Could easily See & they didn't know which tiny little building WTC 7 was. Not Really Likely is it.
No we clearly do not agree.
It's not a satisfactory answer.
Thanks for trying to answer.
I will wait for your answers to the other 6 questions.
Hopefully we can find agreement with some or all of them.
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It would make no sense to inform a news station that a building went down when it hadn't yet and you going were make sure it went down anyway.
This is as far from a smoking gun as anything could be.
Facts with logic, then why did they? Your answer: error in their part.
How come: your answer, error in their part.
A person come from behind you, and suddenly you are missing your wallet, you grab the person and accuse him of stealing it,
He answers: error in you part, there is millions of people in the world, why would I steal you wallet?
You tell him: Let me search you?
He says: whatever you find, just coincidence.
Sounds familiar?
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Let’s start with “WTC 7 fell into its own footprint”
WTC 7 did not fall into it’s own footprint.
WTC site plan:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/WTC_Building_Arrangement_and_Site_Plan.svg/800px-WTC_Building_Arrangement_and_Site_Plan.svg.png)
If it fell on to its own foot print the Verison Building would not be damaged:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Verizon_building_damage.jpg/140px-Verizon_building_damage.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Verizon_building_damage2.jpg/225px-Verizon_building_damage2.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Verizon_building_damage3.jpg)
Nor would there be damage to Filterman hall,
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Fiterman_hall_damage.jpg/150px-Fiterman_hall_damage.jpg)
(http://mceer.buffalo.edu/meetings/wtc/web/web06.jpg)
Nor damage to the building north of WTC 7 with the terrace
(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2116/144/1600/wtcjd8.jpg)
Conclusion: Footprint argument=debunked
Next:
“6.5 seconds.....FREE FALL SPEED” (I am assuming you think it shouldn’t have looked like it went down all at once.)
It pancaked. Think of the steel beams as connected straws that crumple. The steel beams weaken, to the weight above and buckle providing no resistance until it came to non-buckled beams on the lower floors. (Steel loses its strength when heated) Large chunks of WTC 7 were damaged. (I can post those pics if you want, they are available on the net as well as fireman statements to that regard) Hence it looks as though it all comes down at once. but it came down in stages. Look closely at the video and you will see the 3:58 Mark it doesn’t come down all at once, the Penthouse on the left goes first, supporting the report that the floors failed imploding the building.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnLcUxV1dPo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnLcUxV1dPo)
Conclusion: Freefall speed argument debunked
The rest of this is an assumption based on pre conceived belief without a legitimate knowledge base.
I totally agree with you that it very similar to a demolition. However, many things can look like one thing but be something entirely different. Once the facts are brought to bear the reality is revealed.
Additionally, lets say none of my above arguments are valid, you are still left a video only and no other evidence that it was prewired and demolished. And if it was prewired, it would be stupid to think that it didn’t explode much sooner when it caught fire, burned for hours and was severely damaged.
Fact: It took the commission 2 year to make the report on 9/11, it took the Government 7 years to come up with WTC 7 report on the collapse. To this day their model and calculationa have not been released for peer review, and all Foia's turn down. I challenge you to prove us otherwise, to which you have not to this moment.
Again, thank you in advance. ;D
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Something to think about, is that it only makes sense to say the internet is deliberately flooded with pseudo-conspiracy nonsense by those who would want to cast the belief that "conspiracy theorist = bad". Of course.
This thread proves it in strides, when confronted with facts on that day? Coincidence.
What have they debunked here with the evidence presented? Nothing, Ozmo when confronted with the facts from his own answers, comes back with nothing logical, just regurgitating the Government Conspiracy Theory, not supported by any other institution from anywhere in the World.
Example: the pictures of planes that supposedly disintegrated, I already debunked it, we can see the engines in the second crash, in the C-130 I see the the plane wings and engines on the right side of the building where it crashed, look closely, and third plane, the one from Egypt, google the crash, I already posted the pictures, we see the tail, engines and the passengers carriage.
In case of Flight 93, nothing, not even a drop of blood, no engines, not tail, absolutely nothing, except they found debris expanding for miles, those are facts.
He goes and tell us there were conversations of why the twin towers fell that day in universities, I'm still waiting for the links for the studies like say Mit for example. NOTHING. That's what we are having here, a conversation.
Ropo, what else can we expect from that retard, after all the evidence we have presented here, comes back trowing insults and asking for the explosions, enough said.
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This thread proves it in strides, when confronted with facts on that day? Coincidence.
What have they debunked here with the evidence presented? Nothing, Ozmo when confronted with the facts from his own answers, comes back with nothing logical, just regurgitating the Government Conspiracy Theory, not supported by any other institution from anywhere in the World.
Example: the pictures of planes that supposedly disintegrated, I already debunked it, we can see the engines in the second crash, in the C-130 I see the the plane wings and engines on the right side of the building where it crashed, look closely, and third plane, the one from Egypt, google the crash, I already posted the pictures, we see the tail, engines and the passengers carriage.
In case of Flight 93, nothing, not even a drop of blood, no engines, not tail, absolutely nothing, except they found debris expanding for miles, those are facts.
He goes and tell us there were conversations of why the twin towers fell that day in universities, I'm still waiting for the links for the studies like say Mit for example. NOTHING. That's what we are having here, a conversation.
Ropo, what else can we expect from that retard, after all the evidence we have presented here, comes back trowing insults and asking for the explosions, enough said.
What have you proven besides the fact that nobody can answer every single question?
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What have you proven besides the fact that nobody can answer every single question?
Watch the videos, follow the links, read the information, 9/11 explained.
9/11-- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL)
911-Conspiracy Finally Solved!: Names, Connections, Motives, 911Matrix of Details Exposed!
CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN EXPLAINS WITH FACTS WHY AND HOW ISRAEL DID 9-11
Dimitri Khalezov has been an expert in nuclear demolition
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(http://s3.amazonaws.com/media.wbur.org/wordpress/12/files/2011/08/0825_911_crop-500x300.jpg)
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NIST suggests without evidence that (1) the top supporting elements of floor #97 of part A break and that floor #97 fuses with and accelerates with top part C (requires energy) and that now 15 m drops 3.7 meters and applies 545.0m Joule energy on floor #96 of part A. Again at this second collision both C and A absorb energy elastically and if there is surplus energy some elements may break. NIST suggests again, without any evidence that it is the elements below floor #96 that break and that floor #96 fuses with floor #97 and is accelerated by top part C and floor #97. And so on another 95 times! It takes 12 seconds! Part A is destroyed by gravity according NIST: part A could not absorb the energy applied from above by part C so global collapse ensued.
(http://heiwaco.tripod.com/ABWTC.jpg)
http://heiwaco.tripod.com/chall1.htm#hc
Nuclear Demolition
Nuclear demolition, as a form of "controlled demolition", was first mooted towards the end of the 1960s when building code requirements made it necessary to provide satisfactory proposals for the eventual demolition of proposed modern tall steel frame buildings.
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Nuclear_Demolition
Ground Zero – Nuclear Demolition of the World Trade Center
(http://www.911thology.com/nexus1_files/image094.jpg)
When the pressure propagates upwards, the upper boundaries of the "damaged zone" and the "crushed zone" eventually reach the underground foundations of the Tower they are about to demolish, the picture is even more different. This is because the actual materials the Tower is built of differ from the surrounding granite rock in the sense of their resistance. Besides, there is a lot of empty space inside the Tower, while the remaining granite rock in all other directions (to the sides and below the cavity) is solid. So, the expansion of the upper boundaries of the "damaged" and "crushed" zones by the Tower's structure will be the furthest. In the case of the WTC Twin Towers and the Sears Tower, the "damaged zone" could likely reach up to 350-370 meters, while the "crushed zone" which follows immediately, will likely reach up to 290-310 meters. However, in the case of the much shorter WTC-7, its entire length was well within the "crushed zone" - so it was pulverized completely from bottom to top. The ability of a nuclear demolition to pulverize steel and concrete alike is one of its unique features.
http://www.911thology.com/nexus1.html
An improved English version of the scandalous article from the NEXUS German magazine.
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9/11: Molten Metal at Ground Zero
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Along with older English dictionaries, for the same reason, these photographs could also be used to show the molten rock left behind after the underground cavities were created by nuclear explosions under all three buildings of the World Trade Center. They eventually cooled down and were, at last, cleared of all remaining radioactive materials:
(http://www.911thology.com/nexus1_files/image129.jpg)
(http://www.911thology.com/nexus1_files/image130.jpg)
(http://www.911thology.com/nexus1_files/image132.gif)The diagram apparently represents four types of nuclear explosions conducted in various environments:
1) atmospheric; 2) underground; 3) exoatmospheric; 4) underwater.
Guess why they position a certain “tall structure” on top of the spot of an underground nuclear explosion (2)? Which one creates certain “waves” around itself?
This was a classic diagram of the ‘70s. Those days nuclear explosions were not “evil” yet and they were widely discussed. And it was not a big secret yet those days – that underground nuclear explosions could be successfully used for demolishing skyscrapers…
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Anyone who hasn't seen what Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta claims happened while he was with Cheney on 9/11, should look at it.
The first thing that jumps out about this, is that Mineta claims we were aware of the Pentagon plane and where it was.
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And "conspiracy sites" usually use it to say a stand-down order was issued (which Cheney denies).
But what does it mean for a shoot-down order, if the military-command was ignoring Cheney's direction, as they admitted?
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No way this should go a minute longer without an investigation.
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The landing gear did not cause that hole. It's perfectly round, are landing gear going to creat a nice round hole? No. The nose of the plane could not have done it either because the engines would have hit the ground long before the plane hit the building. Why do you refuse to accept the fact it was a missile? I'm not being a smart ass either. It's the only explanation.. Think about it: plane could not fly that low or at that speed, engines would have hit the ground, completely incompetent pilot, not even an experienced pilot could do that, no debris, only one shitty camera angle of the most secure building in existence, stand down order from Dickhead Cheney, this plane hit 45 minutes after the towers were struck, 45 minutes...It would have been shot down.. Slip ups from Cheney, Rumsfeld, others saying missile hit the building, penetrated 4 rings of pentagon, perfectly round, small hole. This is just a few of the things proving missile.
This is the real question why is it such blasphemy to even entertain the thought
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This is the real question why is it such blasphemy to even entertain the thought
No, but if someone wants to say no plane, it means taking apart the footage which shows exactly that: a plane.
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As well as the damage, etc. I'm here to tell you, the idea a plane hit versus the mess of trying to fake a plane, is no comparison.
Call it a plane. Flight 77, it hit the Pentagon. Maybe something else, too. Maybe not.
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As well as the damage, etc. I'm here to tell you, the idea a plane hit versus the mess of trying to fake a plane, is no comparison.
Call it a plane. Flight 77, it hit the Pentagon. Maybe something else, too. Maybe not.
This video alone explains everything, and the distance at which different heads of governments, like the the federal goverment and local Government(The city of New York) went to cover and suppress the investigation, eye witnesses and evidence. That's why 9/11 is our biggest false flag to date. Watch the video and put it into contest with was is happening today in the Middle East, and everything will fall into it's place like a puzzle.
Like former president Nixon said, "is not the crime that get's you, it's the cover up"
This thread alone has solve 9/11 for me. The only reason I'm still here is to make sure those Government dick riders shills do not suppresses it.(Ozm, Ropo)
CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN EXPLAINS WITH FACTS WHY AND HOW ISRAEL DID 9-11
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Conjecture, opinions, what ifs....not proof.
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Conjecture, opinions, what ifs....not proof.
The only way to demonstrate proof is through an official investigation in a court of law, could we agree on that at least?
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The only way to demonstrate proof is through an official investigation in a court of law, could we agree on that at least?
Yep. I'm not against another investigation.
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The only way to demonstrate proof is through an official investigation in a court of law, could we agree on that at least?
Where the fuck is Harley Brite when you need him?
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Conjecture, opinions, what ifs....not proof.
Apparently, the closest they ever came to real evidence is when they submitted dust that contained thermite/nano-thermite.
They just couldn't prove it actually came from WTC.
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I can think of only one reason why Cheney would be going through the motions of giving orders, when he knows it isn't valid to do that.
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Fact: It took the commission 2 year to make the report on 9/11, it took the Government 7 years to come up with WTC 7 report on the collapse. To this day their model and calculationa have not been released for peer review, and all Foia's turn down. I challenge you to prove us otherwise, to which you have not to this moment.
Again, thank you in advance. ;D
Playing the jumping game again I see.
It fell on its foot print = DEBUNKED.
It fell at free fall speed therefore it had to be a controlled demolition = DEBUNKED
Do you or any other CT'er have a another argument that challanges the official report or other independent reports on WTC 7 that say it wasn't a controlled demolition?
Do you or any other CT'er have an evidence that shows WTC 7 was pre-wired with explosives and set off 8 hours after the WTC's 1-2?
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so 125,000 worked on something they didnt know they were working on?
I know Americans are pretty dumb but even thats not possible.
Ok lets say all 125,000 people who worked on the nukes knew about it. How is it that not one of them leaked what was going on? Because as you know, many people say that 9/11 couldn't have happened by the Gov because too many people would know about it and someone would have leaked it. Well, 125,000 people never said a word on the Manhattan project. Proving the Gov can keep anything they want hidden/secret...
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Facts with logic, then why did they? Your answer: error in their part.
How come: your answer, error in their part.
A person come from behind you, and suddenly you are missing your wallet, you grab the person and accuse him of stealing it,
He answers: error in you part, there is millions of people in the world, why would I steal you wallet?
You tell him: Let me search you?
He says: whatever you find, just coincidence.
Sounds familiar?
1. Who informed the news station?
2. Or was it a misreport by the news station?
#1 makes no sense to do if WTC was going down anyway (because they planned to demolish it and cover it up)
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Why do you think there is this strong movement then?
Most people have very poor critical thinking skills. also there are Moonbots movement about the moon landing, even flat earthers, people who think Queen Elizabeth is a reptile.
I have also posted 3 articfles about CT'ers here and why they seems to exists.
The educated people after looking at the evidence have ask them self, how could a steel frame skyscraper that was lease to the same person as the twin towers succumbed to fire after only 8 hours that day AND was the only building affected in such manner? How could office fires reached such temperatures? Why did Nist never released their models and calculation for peer review and to this day have turn down all Foia's request?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=607734.0;attach=678497;image)
Nothing wrong with asking questions.
Again, personal attacks between you and I aside, I do think there should be another investagation. I have said several times on CT forum dating back since before it was created. (please don't ask me dig those up, ask 240 if you don't believe me.)
But once the impossible is ruled out (meaning that main stream science, many independent studies at places like, Northwestern, Purdue, MIT and Stanford) agree that what likely happened at 9/11 and the abcence of other tangible (no rhetorical or flawed logic) evidence of a missile at the pentagon, and wired WTCs then the truther contention is invalid.
Was any other building affected in a similar manner? If not how come?
We can see the Deuctche Bank Building standing after the collapse of the Twin towers. That building was right behind and some how survided scott free. Wheren't the condition worst for that building as the twin tower were coming down?
How come no other buliding was cought in a masive fire as WTC 7?
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/media.wbur.org/wordpress/12/files/2011/08/0825_911_crop-500x300.jpg)
(http://cdn2.wn.com/o25/ph/img/15/2b/067942fda4bf7160899eab65367c-grande.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/World_Trade_Center_Site_After_9-11_Attacks_With_Original_Building_Locations.jpg)
The only flaw logic here is from the Government Dick Riders that when confronted with facts, start insulting, lying, and try to change the direction of the conversation just like women do. Are you wearing your tampons today? Apparently not.
Because there were different things affecting those buildings that those of the ones that fell. namely: size and damage
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Playing the jumping game again I see.
It fell on its foot print = DEBUNKED.
It fell at free fall speed therefore it had to be a controlled demolition = DEBUNKED
Do you or any other CT'er have a another argument that challanges the official report or other independent reports on WTC 7 that say it wasn't a controlled demolition?
Do you or any other CT'er have an evidence that shows WTC 7 was pre-wired with explosives and set off 8 hours after the WTC's 1-2?
WTC 7: What does that picture tell you? Does that look to you debunked? Serious question.
(http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/docs/wtc7_pile2.jpg)
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I find it highly unusual that they report on a building coming down 20mins before it actually did.
We're any other building reported as falling down before they had.
They didn't report WTC 1 & 2 coming as being down 20 mins before each did.
Oh I know the WTC 1&2 were much bigger buildings That They Could easily See & they didn't know which tiny little building WTC 7 was. Not Really Likely is it.
No we clearly do not agree.
It's not a satisfactory answer.
Thanks for trying to answer.
I will wait for your answers to the other 6 questions.
Hopefully we can find agreement with some or all of them.
I don't see it as something we haven't seen in other instances on other events before.
But fair enough we don't agree.
I have my hands full right now with WTC 7 and the Pentagon with 2-3 other posters right now. Hopefully i can get to yoru other questions soon. Sorry, got to actually do work sometimes to get paid at my job. lol
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Most people have very poor critical thinking skills. also there are Moonbots movement about the moon landing, even flat earthers, people who think Queen Elizabeth is a reptile.
I have also posted 3 articfles about CT'ers here and why they seems to exists.
Nothing wrong with asking questions.
Again, personal attacks between you and I aside, I do think there should be another investagation. I have said several times on CT forum dating back since before it was created. (please don't ask me dig those up, ask 240 if you don't believe me.)
But once the impossible is ruled out (meaning that main stream science, many independent studies at places like, Northwestern, Purdue, MIT and Stanford) agree that what likely happened at 9/11 and the abcence of other tangible (no rhetorical or flawed logic) evidence of a missile at the pentagon, and wired WTCs then the truther contention is invalid.
(http://Because there were different things affecting those buildings that those of the ones that fell. namely: size and damage)
What size and damage do yo speak of? The Deutsche Bank building was right behind the twin towers, WTC 7 was accross WTC 5 & 6 and the street.
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/media.wbur.org/wordpress/12/files/2011/08/0825_911_crop-500x300.jpg)
(http://www.fdnytenhouse.com/911/remember/images/wtc_photo.jpg)
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WTC 7: What does that picture tell you? Does that look to you debunked? Serious question.
(http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/docs/wtc7_pile2.jpg)
That's another flawed logic question. You are asking question that excludes all the other info, facts and evidence of WTC 7 and determines its answer on 1 single pic.
If that was the only pic in existence before or after, and there wasn't testimony of firefighters, nor reports and other photos of damage of the building, nor did it get struck by debris from a 110 story building, and there wasn't damage from surround buildings from WTC 7, and there was other tangible evidence of WTC 7 being pre-wired, and there was a challenge by main stream civil and structural engineers and scientists, etc. i wouldn't have said it was debunked.
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What size and damage do yo speak of? The Deutsche Bank building was right behind the twin towers, WTC 7 was accross WTC 5 & 6 and the street.
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(http://www.fdnytenhouse.com/911/remember/images/wtc_photo.jpg)
I am talking about size of building and damage to building. I also should add design and construction materials.
This one right?
(http://www.voanews.com/MediaAssets2/projects/ground_zero_13/high/09_b.jpg)
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I am talking about size of building and damage to building. I also should add design and construction materials.
This one right?
(http://www.voanews.com/MediaAssets2/projects/ground_zero_13/high/09_b.jpg)
Exactly
Serious question, how come that building did not caught on fire? But WTC 7 that was across 2 buidlings and the street did from debris from the twin towers?
Could it be somebody started that fire instead of the debris that came down from the twin towers?
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They're tracking this thread. I recommend everyone stop posting in it immediately, delete your accounts, and never log in again.
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Exactly
Serious question, how come that building did not caught on fire? But WTC 7 that was across 2 buidlings and the street did from debris from the twin towers?
Could it be somebody started that fire instead of the debris that came down from the twin towers?
Hmmm Yes
Makes for an interesting question & no doubt an even more interesting answer.
Building right behind WTC Still standing & Looks remarkably undamaged in the pic.
Stays standing & doesn't look to be gutted by fire.
Building further away & across the street destroyed by falling debris & Fire.
Ok ..... Waiting to Hear this one explained.
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Exactly
Serious question, how come that building did not caught on fire? But WTC 7 that was across 2 buildings and the street did from debris from the twin towers?
Could it be somebody started that fire instead of the debris that came down from the twin towers?
Hmmm Yes
Makes for an interesting question & no doubt an even more interesting answer.
Building right behind WTC Still standing & Looks remarkably undamaged in the pic.
Stays standing & doesn't look to be gutted by fire.
Building further away & across the street destroyed by falling debris & Fire.
Ok ..... Waiting to Hear this one explained.
Sure in the pure sense of "is it possible", of course.
But again you are using flawed logic. Specifically if A happens to B that results in C, Then if A happens to X it should result in C which is incorrect (flawed logic) because, A (the damage) isn't the same in these instances (WTC 7 Far more damage and different damage), nor is X (the bank) or B (WTC 7) are the same in these instances. (apples and oranges in the same orchard)
And they are located in 2 different areas.
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Its false logic like this and the other thing you said that is the foundation for persuasion. Its used in politics pretty much non stop. Critical thinking blows past this BS.
Think about it, you could say the same thing about tornadoes, in that some houses remain while others are demolished in the tornadoes path.
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Watched an old Doc on the Manhattan Project. American's research and development of nuclear weapons. Of the over 125,000 people who worked on this project, no one ever leaked what was going on there. In fact, only a few dozen even knew what was really going on. It wasn't until American dropped two bombs on Japan that the people who worked there now knew what they helped create. That's why you have to laugh when people say there has to be hundreds if not thousands of people who would be in on 9/11 and know about it. The Manhattan Project tells us the exact opposite. It tells us that keeping a secret, a massive secret, is pretty easy for any Government...
Exactly how they would leaked in a top secret military base in the middle of the desert? And for you it seem to be same to work to defeat your enemy and stop the world war, or rotten and criminal plan to kill +2000 American citizen with no reason at all? Your father must be proud of you, and it is sad that even your mother doesn't know who he is ;D
Let me give you a little hint how these secret plans are different? You see, at the Manhattan project engineers and true geniuses work to save American people from long lasting war and they were true patriots. What comes to foil hat morons and their conspiracy, they are traitors and should be shot as traitors. You spread your lies with no evidence at all, year after year not understanding that some day your name pop out from some security list, and then the amusement starts ;D
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Still waiting for one of the government shills here to prove that WTC 7 did not fall at free fall speed into its own footprint. Good luck....The laws of physics still stand, even for that day believe it or not.. The 3rd building that day to defy the laws of physics. Tell you what, we should be very afraid that at any time the laws of physics can possibly be suspended on any given day....what the hell are we going to do?
Just look at the video where you see the collapse of the penthouse, and time it your self, or look timer of the clip. It doesn't have anything to do with the free fall, when collapsing takes 14 seconds. Clip is posted in this thread at least three times already, and only morons hasn't seen it.
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Just look at the video where you see the collapse of the penthouse, and time it your self, or look timer of the clip. It doesn't have anything to do with the free fall, when collapsing takes 14 seconds. Clip is posted in this thread at least three times already, and only morons hasn't seen it.
Its pretty cut and dry. Just like the "not enough debris at the pentagon" argument.
These charges have been revealed to be unfounded and debunked visually.
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Exactly how they would leaked in a top secret military base in the middle of the desert? And for you it seem to be same to work to defeat your enemy and stop the world war, or rotten and criminal plan to kill +2000 American citizen with no reason at all? Your father must be proud of you, and it is sad that even your mother doesn't know who he is ;D
Let me give you a little hint how these secret plans are different? You see, at the Manhattan project engineers and true geniuses work to save American people from long lasting war and they were true patriots. What comes to foil hat morons and their conspiracy, they are traitors and should be shot as traitors. You spread your lies with no evidence at all, year after year not understanding that some day your name pop out from some security list, and then the amusement starts ;D
Another aspect to this is that all those working on the Manhattan project were placed there and understood (security clearances, non disclosure agreements, etc.) they were working on secret projects for the war effort.
The people needed to pull of a 9/11 CT would have come from all sorts of normal backgrounds such air traffic controllers, fire fighters, engineers, terminal and gate attendants, air craft maintenance, janitors, night security guards who had already been working there for some time.
Its an very unrealistic argument.
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Something worth mentioning again (others already have) is that it is stunning to realize the plane was going that fast, and that low, without a trace to say it even touched the ground. That is really crazy. The left wing is said to have been clipped by the ground and lost before the building, but that must have happened in the fire area.
What plane? You mean American Airlines Flight 77? How exactly you would fly at the suicide mission, where you have to hit a building like Pentagon? High and slow? Would all your arguments be as crappy as this? Don't you have any kind of brains in your bulky head? No trace at all? Well if we overlook the half a kilometer long path of smashed light poles and the marks at the lawn and fence, and the generator at the front of the building, you are right: there is no trace at all...but what kind of idiot would do something as stupid as that? You see, it is simply a lie that there were no trace at all, and the liars trust your stupidity knowing, that you don't even think to check the evidence by yourself. This is typical for foil hats, you just absorb any fucking crap without any thinking at all, no matter how ridiculous claims they feed to you.
And those planes are fast, easily 900kmh when you don't have to worry about the landing safely. Fastest speeds recorded before the crash has been 950kmh, and there were only some minor parts come of the plane before it hit the side of the mountain.
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Buildign 7
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(http://s3.amazonaws.com/media.wbur.org/wordpress/12/files/2011/08/0825_911_crop-500x300.jpg) Look closey whrere building 7 was and the Deutsche bank is. Black building to the left of twin towers,
(http://www.911babystep.com/WTC%20fish-eye.jpg)
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Exposing Ozmo, my business. ;D
Still ranting and denying obvious facts? Why all that crap, while you haven't been able to prove even the explosions in the WTC towers? It is clear that we doesn't see that day when you are able to do it, so how that feel? Tell with your own words? How it feels to be a brat who believe that ridiculous crap without seeing any evidence at all? You have to know that claims in those videos doesn't prove nothing, because there is just claims. Where your facts are? In those ridiculous pictures, which once again, doesn't prove shit. WTC 7 is only of those buildings in your pictures, which is proved taken some serious damages during the collapse of the WTC 1. You don't find the truth by denying facts, little child, you should learn that. The foil hats are lying to you, and as a brainless child, you repeat their lies just as lamb should do. You don't have even single own thought in your narrow mind, all inside your head is some crap you have read from the foil hats web sites.
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How could they have guess or get wrong that the Solomon building was coming down in 20 mins before it did, unless the order was given to demolish such building?
This is a common sense answer. Not the tin foil hat bullshit fed to you by the Government. Ask any detective which version would make sense in a investigation, come back here with the answer.
Thank you in advance. ;D
Well, the claim is just bullshit, it is easy as that. What do you think, in the situation like that, when all of the people are running like headless chickens and every news agency is in the battle to get the best parts of news, there is no one who could do a mistake? There is no possibility of an error, nothing what so ever? Every thing about this has been explained with details, but because you don't read anything else than foil hat lies, you can't know that. If we count how many foil hat lies has been revealed to be just lies, there must be hundreds or thousands of them, but on the other hand, there is 0 evidence to prove their claims. How fucking stupid man has to be if he still has a blind faith to this crap? Really?
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What plane? You mean American Airlines Flight 77? How exactly you would fly at the suicide mission, where you have to hit a building like Pentagon? High and slow? Would all your arguments be as crappy as this? Don't you have any kind of brains in your bulky head? No trace at all? Well if we overlook the half a kilometer long path of smashed light poles and the marks at the lawn and fence, and the generator at the front of the building, you are right: there is no trace at all...but what kind of idiot would do something as stupid as that? You see, it is simply a lie that there were no trace at all, and the liars trust your stupidity knowing, that you don't even think to check the evidence by yourself. This is typical for foil hats, you just absorb any fucking crap without any thinking at all, no matter how ridiculous claims they feed to you.
And those planes are fast, easily 900kmh when you don't have to worry about the landing safely. Fastest speeds recorded before the crash has been 950kmh, and there were only some minor parts come of the plane before it hit the side of the mountain.
No, Ropo. I wouldn't expect it to go 'slow'. I hope that's not the first thought to come to your mind after reading that.
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Just look at the video where you see the collapse of the penthouse, and time it your self, or look timer of the clip. It doesn't have anything to do with the free fall, when collapsing takes 14 seconds. Clip is posted in this thread at least three times already, and only morons hasn't seen it.
You truly are stupid... There would never ever be a complete structural failure, ever. Partial, asymmetrical collapse. Part of it would still be standing... Yes, it fell at free fall speed.. No resistance from floors below.. Silverstein admitted the building was pulled... Architects, engineers, demolitions experts all agree it was controlled demo.. You know more than them though... Keep trying, you're in the minority that think the official bullshit story is accurate.. With your logic there is never a need for demolition anywhere, just start a few fires and boom!! Building falls in its own footprint... You should start a business, save people a ton of money... Just need a match and a little gasoline..
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Great job Ropo of proving controlled demo in your pic above with the link in the penthouse... Bravo... That is done in controlled demo so the structure falls in on itself.. Good job!! If that truly was the case then that half of the building might crumble, but the other part of the building would still stand... Might God you're not very smart..
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Its pretty cut and dry. Just like the "not enough debris at the pentagon" argument.
These charges have been revealed to be unfounded and debunked visually.
By who? The official story? 9/11 report completely dismissed building 7. Nothing has been debunked except the official story.. Everyone knows it's bullshit. You are in the minority.
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You truly are stupid... There would never ever be a complete structural failure, ever. Partial, asymmetrical collapse. Part of it would still be standing... Yes, it fell at free fall speed.. No resistance from floors below.. Silverstein admitted the building was pulled... Architects, engineers, demolitions experts all agree it was controlled demo.. You know more than them though... Keep trying, you're in the minority that think the official bullshit story is accurate.. With your logic there is never a need for demolition anywhere, just start a few fires and boom!! Building falls in its own footprint... You should start a business, save people a ton of money... Just need a match and a little gasoline..
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Hey Ropo, you should come here to the United States, land of the entrepreneurs, and start you own demolition business by fires.
Can you imaging such business? Cheapest demolition there is, don't have to spend money on explosives, jut light up fires to bring down steel frame skyscrapers.
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Well, the claim is just bullshit, it is easy as that. What do you think, in the situation like that, when all of the people are running like headless chickens and every news agency is in the battle to get the best parts of news, there is no one who could do a mistake? There is no possibility of an error, nothing what so ever? Every thing about this has been explained with details, but because you don't read anything else than foil hat lies, you can't know that. If we count how many foil hat lies has been revealed to be just lies, there must be hundreds or thousands of them, but on the other hand, there is 0 evidence to prove their claims. How fucking stupid man has to be if he still has a blind faith to this crap? Really?
http://memesvault.com/wp-content/uploads/Laughing-Crying-Emoji-04.jpg
Ropo the retard keeps owning himself in full display. Now don't tell me this guy doesn't reek to Government Dick Rider Shill.
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Teen asshat vs reality? Just show me a 1 nose dive plane crash where is body of the passenger jet standing on the ground tail toward the sky? I bet that is from some cartoons, not from the real life. There is some similar crashes than flight 93, and there is always at least three similarities: 1. No large parts of the plane to be found 2. Extremely large debris field 3. No whole bodies to be found. From flight 93, there were debris field with radius of 1.5 miles, and a lot of shreds of minced meat hanging in the trees. They gathered tons of parts of airplane from there, there is literally tons of evidence which proves flight 93 crash there, and only argument what the foil hat idiots have is: "I don't believe it." These morons are still waiting to see that cartoon plane standing on it's nose in the crater, and this simple fact reveals how stupid people we are dealing with. Dear foil hat morons, youtube is full of videos where different things have contact with high velocity and forces, but you can't understand any of that? There is video about the steel frame car which collide with the concrete block at the speed of 200kmh, and only thing without damages is rear register plate. How the aluminum frame passenger jet would do with + 4 times that speed, when it has contact with ground after nose dive? Would it really stand in the hole in the sand on its' nose? Quite hard to believe ;D
Here is some examples about the same kind of nose dive crashes:
http://www.baaa-acro.com/2009/archives/crash-of-a-tupolev-tu-154-in-qazvin-168-killed/ (http://www.baaa-acro.com/2009/archives/crash-of-a-tupolev-tu-154-in-qazvin-168-killed/)
http://www.baaa-acro.com/2016/archives/crash-of-a-boeing-737-8kn-in-rostov-on-don-61-killed/ (http://www.baaa-acro.com/2016/archives/crash-of-a-boeing-737-8kn-in-rostov-on-don-61-killed/)
http://www.baaa-acro.com/2015/archives/crash-of-a-cessna-650-citation-vii-in-guarda-mor-4-killed/ (http://www.baaa-acro.com/2015/archives/crash-of-a-cessna-650-citation-vii-in-guarda-mor-4-killed/)
http://www.baaa-acro.com/2015/archives/crash-of-an-airbus-a320-211-near-digne-with-148-on-board/ (http://www.baaa-acro.com/2015/archives/crash-of-an-airbus-a320-211-near-digne-with-148-on-board/)
http://www.baaa-acro.com/2014/archives/md-83-is-missing-over-mali-with-116-people-on-board/ (http://www.baaa-acro.com/2014/archives/md-83-is-missing-over-mali-with-116-people-on-board/)
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Still ranting and denying obvious facts? Why all that crap, while you haven't been able to prove even the explosions in the WTC towers? It is clear that we doesn't see that day when you are able to do it, so how that feel? Tell with your own words? How it feels to be a brat who believe that ridiculous crap without seeing any evidence at all? You have to know that claims in those videos doesn't prove nothing, because there is just claims. Where your facts are? In those ridiculous pictures, which once again, doesn't prove shit. WTC 7 is only of those buildings in your pictures, which is proved taken some serious damages during the collapse of the WTC 1. You don't find the truth by denying facts, little child, you should learn that. The foil hats are lying to you, and as a brainless child, you repeat their lies just as lamb should do. You don't have even single own thought in your narrow mind, all inside your head is some crap you have read from the foil hats web sites.
9/11 BOMBS in Tower Core When 1st Plane Hit
Hundreds of eye-witnesses testify that the Twin Towers were Blown Up with Bombs
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Teen asshat vs reality? Just show me a 1 nose dive plane crash where is body of the passenger jet standing on the ground tail toward the sky? I bet that is from some cartoons, not from the real life. There is some similar crashes than flight 93, and there is always at least three similarities: 1. No large parts of the plane to be found 2. Extremely large debris field 3. No whole bodies to be found. From flight 93, there were debris field with radius of 1.5 miles, and a lot of shreds of minced meat hanging in the trees. They gathered tons of parts of airplane from there, there is literally tons of evidence which proves flight 93 crash there, and only argument what the foil hat idiots have is: "I don't believe it." These morons are still waiting to see that cartoon plane standing on it's nose in the crater, and this simple fact reveals how stupid people we are dealing with. Dear foil hat morons, youtube is full of videos where different things have contact with high velocity and forces, but you can't understand any of that? There is video about the steel frame car which collide with the concrete block at the speed of 200kmh, and only thing without damages is rear register plate. How the aluminum frame passenger jet would do with + 4 times that speed, when it has contact with ground after nose dive? Would it really stand in the hole in the sand on its' nose? Quite hard to believe ;D
Here is some examples about the same kind of nose dive crashes:
http://www.baaa-acro.com/2009/archives/crash-of-a-tupolev-tu-154-in-qazvin-168-killed/ (http://www.baaa-acro.com/2009/archives/crash-of-a-tupolev-tu-154-in-qazvin-168-killed/)
http://www.baaa-acro.com/2016/archives/crash-of-a-boeing-737-8kn-in-rostov-on-don-61-killed/ (http://www.baaa-acro.com/2016/archives/crash-of-a-boeing-737-8kn-in-rostov-on-don-61-killed/)
http://www.baaa-acro.com/2015/archives/crash-of-a-cessna-650-citation-vii-in-guarda-mor-4-killed/ (http://www.baaa-acro.com/2015/archives/crash-of-a-cessna-650-citation-vii-in-guarda-mor-4-killed/)
http://www.baaa-acro.com/2015/archives/crash-of-an-airbus-a320-211-near-digne-with-148-on-board/ (http://www.baaa-acro.com/2015/archives/crash-of-an-airbus-a320-211-near-digne-with-148-on-board/)
http://www.baaa-acro.com/2014/archives/md-83-is-missing-over-mali-with-116-people-on-board/ (http://www.baaa-acro.com/2014/archives/md-83-is-missing-over-mali-with-116-people-on-board/)
Flight 93
(http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/attack/docs/crater1.jpg)
(http://stj911.org/evidence/docs/P200059_1.jpg)
You know what's missing from Flight 93 but is not from the examples you posted above? Engines. Enough said.
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This may be off. There's info to say that Cheney was in charge of "training, war games and drills" and that he had a hand in creating all the confusion which caused ATC and others to keep asking whether the attacks were "real world" and whether they should act accordingly. I don't have all the information on Cheney's involvement with that, though. But I think some of those people to this day are still confused about whether the particular thing they were dealing with on 9/11 was a drill or part of a real attack.
I know about the Mineta testimony, however, so maybe this is connected with what you mean. An interesting story which came out long after 9/11, is that the military claims to have ignored -- not refused: they ignored -- an order by Cheney, due to it being outside the chain of command. As if Cheney, who was previously a Defense Secretary himself, didn't know that would happen.
So there you have it. That's what the those particular criminals were up to.
It doesn't matter what they say, it only matter what you can prove. When will you learn that? Now be a good little foil hat moron and prove there were explosions at the WTC towers? It shouldn't be hard while you guys have been talking about them past 15 years, and there is loads of video material which shows every fucking second about the collapses. Take your pick, prove the explosions or shut the fuck up? Why we never see it happen? How I can know that you can't prove shit? Think about it? There could be only one reason, because it is evident that the laws of physics makes impossible to hide those explosions. So why there is nothing to see? With your own words, please explain that? ;D
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Facts with logic, then why did they? Your answer: error in their part.
How come: your answer, error in their part.
A person come from behind you, and suddenly you are missing your wallet, you grab the person and accuse him of stealing it,
He answers: error in you part, there is millions of people in the world, why would I steal you wallet?
You tell him: Let me search you?
He says: whatever you find, just coincidence.
Sounds familiar?
Sounds like an idiot, drooling on his shoes and trying to arguing without any brains at all. You latest invention, a world without any human errors? If so, then explain how you can exist while you are an error made by two drunken fools? ;D
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It doesn't matter what they say, it only matter what you can prove. When will you learn that? Now be a good little foil hat moron and prove there were explosions at the WTC towers? It shouldn't be hard while you guys have been talking about them past 15 years, and there is loads of video material which shows every fucking second about the collapses. Take your pick, prove the explosions or shut the fuck up? Why we never see it happen? How I can know that you can't prove shit? Think about it? There could be only one reason, because it is evident that the laws of physics makes impossible to hide those explosions. So why there is nothing to see? With your own words, please explain that? ;D
I can see why you're so attached to the question involving explosions, Ropo. It's impossible for you to hold any ground, otherwise.
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It doesn't matter what they say, it only matter what you can prove. When will you learn that? Now be a good little foil hat moron and prove there were explosions at the WTC towers? It shouldn't be hard while you guys have been talking about them past 15 years, and there is loads of video material which shows every fucking second about the collapses. Take your pick, prove the explosions or shut the fuck up? Why we never see it happen? How I can know that you can't prove shit? Think about it? There could be only one reason, because it is evident that the laws of physics makes impossible to hide those explosions. So why there is nothing to see? With your own words, please explain that? ;D
Erik Lawyer - Firefighter
Mr. Lawyer presents investigative directives from the National Fire Protection Standards Manual that were never followed by NIST or FEMA for the fires they claim caused all 3 WTC Buildings to collapse.
Listen little kid:
Fact: The US Government never conducted a criminal, or forensic investigation on 9/11. They never investigated for explosives.
Fact: It took President George W. Bush more than 400 days to form the commission to investigate 9/11 after been demanded by congress which was pushed by the 100 families who did not settle out of court and demanded an investigation. 6 out of the 10 people who participated have said publicly that it was set to fail from the beginning.
Fact: The World trade centers were lease by Larry Silverstein, who 6 week prior to 9/11 had double the insurance on the twin towers. He borrowed over 100 million to use as down payment on the lease and walk away with over 7 billion dollars.
Fact: 9/11 was the even that unleashed the The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) which is still going on today.
I could keep going, but those should be enough for anybody to prove that this incident was our biggest false flag to date. Believe what you want, and stop trolling this thread.
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And let's not forget that it is now known that airplanes, high buildings, and explosives, are a combination found in the plots and plans of terrorists (see the video from earlier).
So what could it possibly show, as to who is to blame?
That's why I've had so little interest in the question of explosives. Too much energy required to show too little of anything.
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Fact: It took the commission 2 year to make the report on 9/11, it took the Government 7 years to come up with WTC 7 report on the collapse. To this day their model and calculationa have not been released for peer review, and all Foia's turn down. I challenge you to prove us otherwise, to which you have not to this moment.
Again, thank you in advance. ;D
So they publish their only report about the WTC 7 at 2008? No, dear child, nothing like that. They publish their FINAL report at 2008, after two other reports, called draft-reports. Why do you idiots think that these kind of investigations are made by minutes? If you read (and it would be a first time) the official report about the 9/11, you find out that there is quite small amount of pages about the technical nitpicking, and it is mostly about what happen and why. Then there is loads of reports about the technical details in here:
http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/wtc_finalreports.cfm (http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/wtc_finalreports.cfm) but who cares the facts, while you can gulp down some foil hat crap? Most of the reports are from 2005, and the final reports about the WTC 7 from 2008. So what? You have proved exactly what? Nothing..
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Erik Lawyer - Firefighter
Mr. Lawyer presents investigative directives from the National Fire Protection Standards Manual that were never followed by NIST or FEMA for the fires they claim caused all 3 WTC Buildings to collapse.
Listen little kid:
Fact: The US Government never conducted a criminal, or forensic investigation on 9/11. They never investigated for explosives.
Fact: It took President George W. Bush more than 400 days to form the commission to investigate 9/11 after been demanded by congress which was pushed by the 100 families who did not settle out of court and demanded an investigation. 6 out of the 10 people who participated have said publicly that it was set to fail from the beginning.
Fact: The World trade centers were lease by Larry Silverstein, who 6 week prior to 9/11 had double the insurance on the twin towers. He borrowed over 100 millions to use as payment and walk away with over 7 billions dollars.
Fact: 9/11 was the even that unleashed the The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) which is still going on today.
I could keep going, but those should be enough for anybody to prove that this incident was our biggest false flag to date. Believe what you want, and stop trolling this thread.
And of course, this is all just crap you happen to find, and never bother to wonder the absence of the evidence which would prove these claims? If you believe every bit of crap you find from the internet, why don't you believe when I call you a moron? It has to be truth, you read it from the internet?
And by the way, where is your evidence about the explosions? In 55 pages of your futile rant, there isn't even a shred of evidence about those, and those explosions are the core of this conspiracy? Why you try to avoid to prove them? What is so hard in it, that you rather make complete moron of yourself, than prove those explosions? Try to explain that, because that is quite abnormal behavior? In the real world first thing you do is presenting the evidence, because doing that is your only way to maintain your credibility. Instead of that you are jumping around like an idiot, not proving anything else but your stupidity. Why it is like that?
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So they publish their only report about the WTC 7 at 2008? No, dear child, nothing like that. They publish their FINAL report at 2008, after two other reports, called draft-reports. Why do you idiots think that these kind of investigations are made by minutes? If you read (and it would be a first time) the official report about the 9/11, you find out that there is quite small amount of pages about the technical nitpicking, and it is mostly about what happen and why. Then there is loads of reports about the technical details in here:
http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/wtc_finalreports.cfm (http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/wtc_finalreports.cfm) but who cares the facts, while you can gulp down some foil hat crap? Most of the reports are from 2005, and the final reports about the WTC 7 from 2008. So what? You have proved exactly what? Nothing..
Let me get this right according to you, they came out with the conclusion on the twin towers faster than WTC 7, just because they got hit by airplanes?
It only took the commission 2 years to conclude that 2 of the tallest buildings in the world came down into it's own footprint in seconds because two planes crash into them, but took the goverment 7 years to come out with the final conclusion on WTC 7 because no plane hit the building.
And that seem normal to you?
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Watch the videos, follow the links, read the information, 9/11 explained.
9/11-- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL)
911-Conspiracy Finally Solved!: Names, Connections, Motives, 911Matrix of Details Exposed!
CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN EXPLAINS WITH FACTS WHY AND HOW ISRAEL DID 9-11
Dimitri Khalezov has been an expert in nuclear demolition
Why anyone should watch that crap, while everyone with some kind of brains can see that there isn't any explosions at the WTC towers, and therefore all this is just a foil hat bullshit. By proving those explosions you could prove there is so called "reasonable doubt" about the matter, and you can't do even that? Shame on you, you pitiful little brat..
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And of course, this is all just crap you happen to find, and never bother to wonder the absence of the evidence which would prove these claims? If you believe every bit of crap you find from the internet, why don't you believe when I call you a moron? It has to be truth, you read it from the internet?
And by the way, where is your evidence about the explosions? In 55 pages of your futile rant, there isn't even a shred of evidence about those, and those explosions are the core of this conspiracy? Why you try to avoid to prove them? What is so hard in it, that you rather make complete moron of yourself, than prove those explosions? Try to explain that, because that is quite abnormal behavior? In the real world first thing you do is presenting the evidence, because doing that is your only way to maintain your credibility. Instead of that you are jumping around like an idiot, not proving anything else but your stupidity. Why it is like that?
Hey Ropo, you should come here to the United States, land of the entrepreneurs, and start you own demolition business by fires.
Can you imaging such business? Cheapest demolition there is, don't have to spend money on explosives, jut light up fires to bring down steel frame skyscrapers.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRZ5QnV02HDTZ2Q5VuxnnosaB7TtynuUVVwMiOMu3RcbtbTIBDr)
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Let me get this right according to you, they came out with the conclusion on the twin towers faster than WTC 7, just because they got hit by airplanes?
It only took the commission 2 years to conclude that 2 of the tallest buildings in the world came down into it's own footprint in seconds because two planes crash into them, but took the goverment 7 years to come out with the final conclusion on WTC 7 because no plane hit the building.
And that seem normal to you?
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Just prove those explosions? You see, it isn't what you are yelling around, it is always what you can prove, and you can't prove shit. Foil hats has lie to you, and you are too stupid to understand it, so this continues another 55 pages and you will be just as dumb as you were at the first place. Downside about the blind faith is just that: YOU ARE SUCH A MORON, THAT YOU CAN'T LEARN ANYTHING. So you continue throwing that shit like ape, doing your imaginary "ownings" and mainly wanking like mentally handicapped moron. Wouldn't it be nice if you would be able to prove something else but your stupidity? I bet it would be, but you never can, because of your mental disabilities ;D
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Hey Ropo, you should come here to the United States, land of the entrepreneurs, and start you own demolition business by fires.
Can you imaging such business? Cheapest demolition there is, don't have to spend money on explosives, jut light up fires to bring down steel frame skyscrapers.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRZ5QnV02HDTZ2Q5VuxnnosaB7TtynuUVVwMiOMu3RcbtbTIBDr)
Want to see something really ridiculous? Look at the "General Statistics - M4tad0r"? You really are up all nights because of this crap? Not any life at all beside the ranting in here? Way to go... ;D
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Hey Ropo how much would you charge me for the demolition on the buildings in the picture below, they are in Chicago, and I need it done by Friday on the cheap.
How much to light them up on fires so they would come down into their own footprint? You can damage as many core columns as you wish, but no explosives, ok? I need them to go down as silently as possible. Thank you in advance.
(http://66.media.tumblr.com/190981a646d579548ee7f8e9444af3f3/tumblr_nw8nr2dLYf1s5qhggo6_500.jpg)
(http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/browbeat/2014/04/23/cagelaugh.jpg.CROP.promo-mediumlarge.jpg)
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Want to see something really ridiculous? Look at the "General Statistics - M4tad0r"? You really are up all nights because of this crap? Not any life at all beside the ranting in here? Way to go... ;D
When you can't argue facts misdirect the conversation. Typical Government Dick Rider Shill tactic 102; 101 been: Everything that happened on 9/11: Coincidence.
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Very poor taste to dress your 7-year-old twins this way.
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By who? The official story? 9/11 report completely dismissed building 7. Nothing has been debunked except the official story.. Everyone knows it's bullshit. You are in the minority.
No, by what i have been posting.
You said footprint. i shown that to be not true.
You said free fall therefore demolition, i have shown that to be not true
Other's have said, not enough debris, therefore missile. I have shown that to be not true.
All Debunked with visuals and facts. And exposed flawed logic in the process.
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You truly are stupid... There would never ever be a complete structural failure, ever. Partial, asymmetrical collapse. Part of it would still be standing... Yes, it fell at free fall speed.. No resistance from floors below.. Silverstein admitted the building was pulled... Architects, engineers, demolitions experts all agree it was controlled demo.. You know more than them though... Keep trying, you're in the minority that think the official bullshit story is accurate.. With your logic there is never a need for demolition anywhere, just start a few fires and boom!! Building falls in its own footprint... You should start a business, save people a ton of money... Just need a match and a little gasoline..
But you're wrong. Deal with it.
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No planes at pentagon and Shanksville.
I appreciate your direct responses to mine. i also appreciate the absence of ad-hom in your responses and i will try and refrain from it.
There are a lot of aspects here and each could easily warrant their own thread. So i will start with some easy ones.
Planes disintegrating on impact:
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41094000/jpg/_41094644_longshotgetty416.jpg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Iranian_Air_Force_C-130_crash (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Iranian_Air_Force_C-130_crash)
(http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/iranfocus_iran1.jpg)
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/10346431/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/iranian-military-plane-hits-building-killing/#.VzNf54QrKUk (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/10346431/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/iranian-military-plane-hits-building-killing/#.VzNf54QrKUk)
Where is the c-130?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjhxuhTmGk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjhxuhTmGk)
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2006/08/23/world/23plane.1_600x272.jpg)
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/23/world/europe/23plane.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/23/world/europe/23plane.html?_r=0)
(http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2015/11/02/don-t-believe-russian-airline-s-new-excuse-for-crash/jcr:content/body/inlineimage.img.800.jpg/48216132.cached.jpg)
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/02/don-t-believe-russian-airline-s-new-excuse-for-crash.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/02/don-t-believe-russian-airline-s-new-excuse-for-crash.html)
Of course there are also many pics of crashes of planes where some or much of the plane is intact.
What remains after a crash is dependent on speed, mass, fuel, angle, etc.
To prove or argue flight 93 wasn't a plane you would have to also have to evidence backing up an explanation of these things:
What happened to the passengers of flight 93?
How were they coaxed into calling their friends and family during the hijacking and reporting what was going on while it was happening?
How were they able to dispose of a the plane?
How were they able to coordinate the transpoder with secondary radar tracking on the ground?
How were they able to hide the plane from primary radar when they flew it somewhere else?
How did they commandeer the plane in the first place?
If they did it remotely how did they install the remote devices (if it was even possible in 2001) with out incredibly detailed maintenance personal, procedures, safety protocols, and records being altered or compromised?
How did they prep the crash site to have some debris?
I probably could think of more questions.
But what evidence exists outside of the perceived absence of wreckage on a grainy photograph that points to the questions i asked above?
WTC 7 fell into its own footprint in 6.5 seconds.....FREE FALL SPEED...
WTC 7 did not fall into it’s own footprint.
WTC site plan:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/WTC_Building_Arrangement_and_Site_Plan.svg/800px-WTC_Building_Arrangement_and_Site_Plan.svg.png)
If it fell on to its own foot print the Verison Building would not be damaged:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Verizon_building_damage.jpg/140px-Verizon_building_damage.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Verizon_building_damage2.jpg/225px-Verizon_building_damage2.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Verizon_building_damage3.jpg)
Nor would there be damage to Filterman hall,
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Fiterman_hall_damage.jpg/150px-Fiterman_hall_damage.jpg)
(http://mceer.buffalo.edu/meetings/wtc/web/web06.jpg)
Nor damage to the building north of WTC 7 with the terrace
(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2116/144/1600/wtcjd8.jpg)
Conclusion: Footprint argument=debunked
Next:
“6.5 seconds.....FREE FALL SPEED” (I am assuming you think it shouldn’t have looked like it went down all at once.)
It pancaked. Think of the steel beams as connected straws that crumple. The steel beams weaken, to the weight above and buckle providing no resistance until it came to non-buckled beams on the lower floors. (Steel loses its strength when heated) Large chunks of WTC 7 were damaged. (I can post those pics if you want, they are available on the net as well as fireman statements to that regard) Hence it looks as though it all comes down at once. but it came down in stages. Look closely at the video and you will see the 3:58 Mark it doesn’t come down all at once, the Penthouse on the left goes first, supporting the report that the floors failed imploding the building.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnLcUxV1dPo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnLcUxV1dPo)
Conclusion: Freefall speed argument debunked
I totally agree with you that it very similar to a demolition. However, many things can look like one thing but be something entirely different. Once the facts are brought to bear the reality is revealed.
Additionally, lets say none of my above arguments are valid, you are still left a video only and no other evidence that it was prewired and demolished. And if it was prewired, it would be stupid to think that it didn’t explode much sooner when it caught fire, burned for hours and was severely damaged.
classic example of flawed logic from CT'ers
(https://kendoc911.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/wtc7comparisons.jpg)
this pic suggests that because these other buildings didn't collapse from fire that WTC 7 shouldn't have.
This is the same thinking as that pot head from loose change.
And educated person or a person with common sense would immediately ask:
Were the conditions of the buildings that didn't collapse exactly the same as the conditions of WTC 7?
In other words....
Where they designed the same? steel beam structure? # of stories? etc.
Where they damaged by falling debris from a 110 story skyscraper that was damaged (fire fighter reported) 33% percent or more?
WTC 7: What does that picture tell you? Does that look to you debunked? Serious question.
(http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/docs/wtc7_pile2.jpg)
That's another flawed logic question. You are asking question that excludes all the other info, facts and evidence of WTC 7 and determines its answer on 1 single pic.
If that was the only pic in existence before or after, and there wasn't testimony of firefighters, nor reports and other photos of damage of the building, nor did it get struck by debris from a 110 story building, and there wasn't damage from surround buildings from WTC 7, and there was other tangible evidence of WTC 7 being pre-wired, and there was a challenge by main stream civil and structural engineers and scientists, etc. i wouldn't have said it was debunked.
Exactly
Serious question, how come that building did not caught on fire? But WTC 7 that was across 2 buildings and the street did from debris from the twin towers?
Could it be somebody started that fire instead of the debris that came down from the twin towers?
Hmmm Yes
Makes for an interesting question & no doubt an even more interesting answer.
Building right behind WTC Still standing & Looks remarkably undamaged in the pic.
Stays standing & doesn't look to be gutted by fire.
Building further away & across the street destroyed by falling debris & Fire.
Ok ..... Waiting to Hear this one explained.
Sure in the pure sense of "is it possible", of course.
But again you are using flawed logic. Specifically if A happens to B that results in C, Then if A happens to X it should result in C which is incorrect (flawed logic) because, A (the damage) isn't the same in these instances (WTC 7 Far more damage and different damage), nor is X (the bank) or B (WTC 7) are the same in these instances. (apples and oranges in the same orchard)
And they are located in 2 different areas.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/WTC_Building_Arrangement_and_Site_Plan.svg/800px-WTC_Building_Arrangement_and_Site_Plan.svg.png)
Its false logic like this and the other thing you said that is the foundation for persuasion. Its used in politics pretty much non stop. Critical thinking blows past this BS.
Think about it, you could say the same thing about tornadoes, in that some houses remain while others are demolished in the tornadoes path.
Debunked
Game Set Match, Can we move on now?
Maybe aliens did it? ;D
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Here are some so-called adults doing it. Swear to God, I wouldn't be able to resist using my fist on their faces.
(http://i.imgur.com/VFFS31i.jpg)
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Great job Ropo of proving controlled demo in your pic above with the link in the penthouse... Bravo... That is done in controlled demo so the structure falls in on itself.. Good job!! If that truly was the case then that half of the building might crumble, but the other part of the building would still stand... Might God you're not very smart..
He keeps ignoring the steel columns that were cut at perfect angles for the tops to slide off the bottoms
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I've just got to ask. What evidence says those 45-degree cuts weren't done after the fact? It would be rather bold to think the FD wouldn't be going apeshit about it, if those angles appeared that way untouched post-disaster.
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Quote from: illuminati on Today at 03:15:28
Hmmm Yes
Makes for an interesting question & no doubt an even more interesting answer.
Building right behind WTC Still standing & Looks remarkably undamaged in the pic.
Stays standing & doesn't look to be gutted by fire.
Building further away & across the street destroyed by falling debris & Fire.
Ok ..... Waiting to Hear this one explained.
Sure in the pure sense of "is it possible", of course.
But again you are using flawed logic. Specifically if A happens to B that results in C, Then if A happens to X it should result in C which is incorrect (flawed logic) because, A (the damage) isn't the same in these instances (WTC 7 Far more damage and different damage), nor is X (the bank) or B (WTC 7) are the same in these instances. (apples and oranges in the same orchard)
And they are located in 2 different areas.
Debunked
Game Set Match, Can we move on now?
Maybe aliens did it?
Yet again you have tried to answer / Explain & Have Failed to do so.
I understand what you are trying to say with your A-B-C / Apples & oranges
Explanation.
There is No Flawed Logic On My Part.
I asked For An Explanation - Answer As To Why 1 Building very close by remained Standing
& in a fairly decent state Considering 2 Huge Buildings very Near Had Collapsed
And Building Much Further away Then collapsed - oh yes Nearly Forgot 20 mins after
It had been reported as collapsing.
The answer you give is -- Flawed Logic -- A doesn't mean B Or C -- Apples & Oranges.. ???
You were unable to Satisfactorily answer the News Broadcast Question.
Though your answer was Slightly More Intelligible Than This Answer.
Please You are just playing with words & Not answering.
Fair Enough If can't or Don't know The Answers Just Say so.
Again Thanks For Trying.
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I asked For An Explanation - Answer As To Why 1 Building very close by remained Standing
& in a fairly decent state Considering 2 Huge Buildings very Near Had Collapsed
And Building Much Further away Then collapsed - oh yes Nearly Forgot 20 mins after
It had been reported as collapsing.
The answer you give is -- Flawed Logic -- A doesn't mean B Or C -- Apples & Oranges.. ???
You were unable to Satisfactorily answer the News Broadcast Question.
Though your answer was Slightly More Intelligible Than This Answer.
Please You are just playing with words & Not answering.
Fair Enough If can't or Don't know The Answers Just Say so.
Again Thanks For Trying.
I gave it to you. The answer is sound and exact. You even have pictures.
Your flawed thinking is even worse when you are assuming that equal damage was delivered to all the buildings surrounding the WTC's.
It goes even further, when you factor in that each of those buildings were built and designed differently.
Based on your logic tornadoes are also a CT.
If that doesn't makes sense to you there is no point in going on.
You lack the mental capacity to separate distinction between varying degrees of damage onto different structures. You strive to clump your charge into an all encompassing principle. If A was damaged by B and C was damage by B the result should be the same.
But then again you still don't know how to use the quote feature, which might explain why you can't grasp simple logic.
in case you think i am full of shit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy)
Association fallacy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Guilt by association" redirects here. For other uses, see Guilt by Association.
An Euler diagram illustrating the association fallacy. Although A is within B and is also within C, not all of B is within C.
In notation of first-order logic, this type of fallacy can be expressed as (∃x ∈ S : φ(x)) → (∀x ∈ S : φ(x)), meaning "if there exists any x in the set S so that a property φ is true for x, then for all x in S the property φ must be true."
Premise A is a B
Premise A is also a C
Conclusion Therefore, all Bs are Cs
The fallacy in the argument can be illustrated through the use of an Euler diagram: "A" satisfies the requirement that it is part of both sets "B" and "C", but if one represents this as an Euler diagram, it can clearly be seen that it is possible that a part of set "B" is not part of set "C", refuting the conclusion that "all Bs are Cs".
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He keeps ignoring the steel columns that were cut at perfect angles for the tops to slide off the bottoms
What happened to the concrete columns that any engineer would tell us about?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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No planes at pentagon and Shanksville.
I appreciate your direct responses to mine. i also appreciate the absence of ad-hom in your responses and i will try and refrain from it.
There are a lot of aspects here and each could easily warrant their own thread. So i will start with some easy ones.
Planes disintegrating on impact:
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41094000/jpg/_41094644_longshotgetty416.jpg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Iranian_Air_Force_C-130_crash (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Iranian_Air_Force_C-130_crash)
(http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/iranfocus_iran1.jpg)
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/10346431/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/iranian-military-plane-hits-building-killing/#.VzNf54QrKUk (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/10346431/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/iranian-military-plane-hits-building-killing/#.VzNf54QrKUk)
Where is the c-130?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjhxuhTmGk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjhxuhTmGk)
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2006/08/23/world/23plane.1_600x272.jpg)
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/23/world/europe/23plane.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/23/world/europe/23plane.html?_r=0)
(http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2015/11/02/don-t-believe-russian-airline-s-new-excuse-for-crash/jcr:content/body/inlineimage.img.800.jpg/48216132.cached.jpg)
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/02/don-t-believe-russian-airline-s-new-excuse-for-crash.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/02/don-t-believe-russian-airline-s-new-excuse-for-crash.html)
Of course there are also many pics of crashes of planes where some or much of the plane is intact.
What remains after a crash is dependent on speed, mass, fuel, angle, etc.
To prove or argue flight 93 wasn't a plane you would have to also have to evidence backing up an explanation of these things:
What happened to the passengers of flight 93?
How were they coaxed into calling their friends and family during the hijacking and reporting what was going on while it was happening?
How were they able to dispose of a the plane?
How were they able to coordinate the transpoder with secondary radar tracking on the ground?
How were they able to hide the plane from primary radar when they flew it somewhere else?
How did they commandeer the plane in the first place?
If they did it remotely how did they install the remote devices (if it was even possible in 2001) with out incredibly detailed maintenance personal, procedures, safety protocols, and records being altered or compromised?
How did they prep the crash site to have some debris?
I probably could think of more questions.
But what evidence exists outside of the perceived absence of wreckage on a grainy photograph that points to the questions i asked above?
WTC 7 fell into its own footprint in 6.5 seconds.....FREE FALL SPEED...
WTC 7 did not fall into it’s own footprint.
WTC site plan:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/WTC_Building_Arrangement_and_Site_Plan.svg/800px-WTC_Building_Arrangement_and_Site_Plan.svg.png)
If it fell on to its own foot print the Verison Building would not be damaged:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Verizon_building_damage.jpg/140px-Verizon_building_damage.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Verizon_building_damage2.jpg/225px-Verizon_building_damage2.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Verizon_building_damage3.jpg)
Nor would there be damage to Filterman hall,
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Fiterman_hall_damage.jpg/150px-Fiterman_hall_damage.jpg)
(http://mceer.buffalo.edu/meetings/wtc/web/web06.jpg)
Nor damage to the building north of WTC 7 with the terrace
(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2116/144/1600/wtcjd8.jpg)
Conclusion: Footprint argument=debunked
Next:
“6.5 seconds.....FREE FALL SPEED” (I am assuming you think it shouldn’t have looked like it went down all at once.)
It pancaked. Think of the steel beams as connected straws that crumple. The steel beams weaken, to the weight above and buckle providing no resistance until it came to non-buckled beams on the lower floors. (Steel loses its strength when heated) Large chunks of WTC 7 were damaged. (I can post those pics if you want, they are available on the net as well as fireman statements to that regard) Hence it looks as though it all comes down at once. but it came down in stages. Look closely at the video and you will see the 3:58 Mark it doesn’t come down all at once, the Penthouse on the left goes first, supporting the report that the floors failed imploding the building.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnLcUxV1dPo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnLcUxV1dPo)
Conclusion: Freefall speed argument debunked
I totally agree with you that it very similar to a demolition. However, many things can look like one thing but be something entirely different. Once the facts are brought to bear the reality is revealed.
Additionally, lets say none of my above arguments are valid, you are still left a video only and no other evidence that it was prewired and demolished. And if it was prewired, it would be stupid to think that it didn’t explode much sooner when it caught fire, burned for hours and was severely damaged.
classic example of flawed logic from CT'ers
(https://kendoc911.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/wtc7comparisons.jpg)
this pic suggests that because these other buildings didn't collapse from fire that WTC 7 shouldn't have.
This is the same thinking as that pot head from loose change.
And educated person or a person with common sense would immediately ask:
Were the conditions of the buildings that didn't collapse exactly the same as the conditions of WTC 7?
In other words....
Where they designed the same? steel beam structure? # of stories? etc.
Where they damaged by falling debris from a 110 story skyscraper that was damaged (fire fighter reported) 33% percent or more?
WTC 7: What does that picture tell you? Does that look to you debunked? Serious question.
(http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/docs/wtc7_pile2.jpg)
That's another flawed logic question. You are asking question that excludes all the other info, facts and evidence of WTC 7 and determines its answer on 1 single pic.
If that was the only pic in existence before or after, and there wasn't testimony of firefighters, nor reports and other photos of damage of the building, nor did it get struck by debris from a 110 story building, and there wasn't damage from surround buildings from WTC 7, and there was other tangible evidence of WTC 7 being pre-wired, and there was a challenge by main stream civil and structural engineers and scientists, etc. i wouldn't have said it was debunked.
Exactly
Serious question, how come that building did not caught on fire? But WTC 7 that was across 2 buildings and the street did from debris from the twin towers?
Could it be somebody started that fire instead of the debris that came down from the twin towers?
Hmmm Yes
Makes for an interesting question & no doubt an even more interesting answer.
Building right behind WTC Still standing & Looks remarkably undamaged in the pic.
Stays standing & doesn't look to be gutted by fire.
Building further away & across the street destroyed by falling debris & Fire.
Ok ..... Waiting to Hear this one explained.
Sure in the pure sense of "is it possible", of course.
But again you are using flawed logic. Specifically if A happens to B that results in C, Then if A happens to X it should result in C which is incorrect (flawed logic) because, A (the damage) isn't the same in these instances (WTC 7 Far more damage and different damage), nor is X (the bank) or B (WTC 7) are the same in these instances. (apples and oranges in the same orchard)
And they are located in 2 different areas.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/WTC_Building_Arrangement_and_Site_Plan.svg/800px-WTC_Building_Arrangement_and_Site_Plan.svg.png)
Its false logic like this and the other thing you said that is the foundation for persuasion. Its used in politics pretty much non stop. Critical thinking blows past this BS.
Think about it, you could say the same thing about tornadoes, in that some houses remain while others are demolished in the tornadoes path.
Debunked
Game Set Match, Can we move on now?
Maybe aliens did it? ;D
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You guys who are glued to the popular conspiracy shit, should realize that it is designed to keep you from the truth. It's even worse than the conspiracy of the official story, in many ways.
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Hey Ozmo, same proposition, how much would you charge me for the demolition on the buildings in the picture below, they are steel frame skyscrapers and they are in Chicago, and I need it done by Friday on the cheap.
How much to light them up on fires so they would come down into their own footprint? You can damage as many core columns as you wish, but no explosives, ok? I need them to go down as silently as possible. Thank you in advance.
(http://66.media.tumblr.com/190981a646d579548ee7f8e9444af3f3/tumblr_nw8nr2dLYf1s5qhggo6_500.jpg)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRZ5QnV02HDTZ2Q5VuxnnosaB7TtynuUVVwMiOMu3RcbtbTIBDr)
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Hey Ozmo serious question:
The 9/11 commision came out with the conclusion on the twin towers faster than WTC 7, just because they got hit by airplanes, right?
It only took the commission 2 years to conclude that 2 of the tallest buildings in the world came down into it's own footprint in seconds because two planes crash into them, but took the goverment 7 years to come out with the final conclusion on WTC 7 because no plane hit the building.
Does this seem normal to you?
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I've just got to ask. What evidence says those 45-degree cuts weren't done after the fact? It would be rather bold to think the FD wouldn't be going apeshit about it, if those angles appeared that way untouched post-disaster.
A little fyi update just read about, is that it isn't only the angles, but also the presence of 'slag', which is waste product from melting.
Still, though, what's to say it wasn't done as part of securing the area?
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I gave it to you. The answer is sound and exact. You even have pictures.
Your flawed thinking is even worse when you are assuming that equal damage was delivered to all the buildings surrounding the WTC's.
It goes even further, when you factor in that each of those buildings were built and designed differently.
Based on your logic tornadoes are also a CT.
If that doesn't makes sense to you there is no point in going on.
You lack the mental capacity to separate distinction between varying degrees of damage onto different structures. You strive to clump your charge into an all encompassing principle. If A was damaged by B and C was damage by B the result should be the same.
But then again you still don't know how to use the quote feature, which might explain why you can't grasp simple logic.
in case you think i am full of shit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy)
Association fallacy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Guilt by association" redirects here. For other uses, see Guilt by Association.
An Euler diagram illustrating the association fallacy. Although A is within B and is also within C, not all of B is within C.
In notation of first-order logic, this type of fallacy can be expressed as (∃x ∈ S : φ(x)) → (∀x ∈ S : φ(x)), meaning "if there exists any x in the set S so that a property φ is true for x, then for all x in S the property φ must be true."
Premise A is a B
Premise A is also a C
Conclusion Therefore, all Bs are Cs
The fallacy in the argument can be illustrated through the use of an Euler diagram: "A" satisfies the requirement that it is part of both sets "B" and "C", but if one represents this as an Euler diagram, it can clearly be seen that it is possible that a part of set "B" is not part of set "C", refuting the conclusion that "all Bs are Cs".
I couldn't care any less on how to use the 'quote' Feature to Please You.
You managed to yet again not answer / or explain.
You clearly have some very deep rooted anger issues & mental confusion.
Constantly berating & calling posters names, How Big & Intelligent of You.
Yet again your going on about my flawed logic, And how I Supposedly think.
Everything Bar Come up with an intelligible believable answer.
You Haven't explained why 1 building remained Standing & The other was destroyed / collapsed.
Twice you have Been unable to Answer & Your Anger From This Being Obvious to All Who Read
Is Overwhelming You.
If All You Can Do Is Try And Insult, Call Names, Pontificate Etc Etc.
Don't Bother.. As you are incapable of being a reasonable & rationable Adult.
I would highly doubt you would be speaking to me face to face in the manner in which
You feel compelled to write.
A Legend In your own Mind.
And Village Idiot To Every One Else.
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Hey Ozmo serious question:
The 9/11 commision came out with the conclusion on the twin towers faster than WTC 7, just because they got hit by airplanes, right?
It only took the commission 2 years to conclude that 2 of the tallest buildings in the world came down into it's own footprint in seconds because two planes crash into them, but took the goverment 7 years to come out with the final conclusion on WTC 7 because no plane hit the building.
Does this seem normal to you?
I'd give up on him Being Normal.
Clearly By His Beliefs & Behaviour in his Posts
Normal He Is Not.
Let's wait for the name calling from him to start again. ::)
Ha.
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Questions of how things happen are normal, turning those questions into conspiracies is not.
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Hey Chaos, same proposition, how much would you charge me for the demolition on the buildings in the picture below, they are steel frame skyscrapers and they are in Chicago, and I need it done by Friday on the cheap.
How much to light them up on fires so they would come down into their own footprint? You can damage as many core columns as you wish, but no explosives, ok? I need them to go down as silently as possible. Thank you in advance.
(http://66.media.tumblr.com/190981a646d579548ee7f8e9444af3f3/tumblr_nw8nr2dLYf1s5qhggo6_500.jpg)
(https://m.popkey.co/268c58/grZAZ.gif)
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Hey Ozmo, same proposition, how much would you charge me for the demolition on the buildings in the picture below, they are steel frame skyscrapers and they are in Chicago, and I need it done by Friday on the cheap.
How much to light them up on fires so they would come down into their own footprint? You can damage as many core columns as you wish, but no explosives, ok? I need them to go down as silently as possible. Thank you in advance.
(http://66.media.tumblr.com/190981a646d579548ee7f8e9444af3f3/tumblr_nw8nr2dLYf1s5qhggo6_500.jpg)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRZ5QnV02HDTZ2Q5VuxnnosaB7TtynuUVVwMiOMu3RcbtbTIBDr)
I think the easiest way would be to ram a plane into it. ;)
PS: none of the WTC's went down on their footprint. Visual evidence concisely shows that.
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Don't confuse malfunctioning crashed planes with deliberate crashed planes on 9/11. A crashed plane is typically due to a malfunction but the pilot can still steer it and lift the nose up and try to slow it down for impact where on 9/11 the pilots where nose diving at full speed, most planes will start to break up well before they hit the ground. The fact the plane broke into a million little pieces is not shocking considering the way it crash.
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I'd give up on him Being Normal.
Clearly By His Beliefs & Behaviour in his Posts
Normal He Is Not.
Let's wait for the name calling from him to start again. ::)
Ha.
Congrats on learning how to use the quote feature!
How are you doing with learning what a association fallacy is?
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Hey Ozmo serious question:
The 9/11 commision came out with the conclusion on the twin towers faster than WTC 7, just because they got hit by airplanes, right?
I don't think so.
It only took the commission 2 years to conclude that 2 of the tallest buildings in the world came down into it's own footprint in seconds because two planes crash into them, but took the goverment 7 years to come out with the final conclusion on WTC 7 because no plane hit the building.
Does this seem normal to you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center)
from wiki
The bulk of the investigation of 7 World Trade Center was delayed until after reports were completed on the Twin Towers.[8] In the meantime, NIST provided a preliminary report about 7 World Trade Center in June 2004, and thereafter released occasional updates on the investigation.[38] According to NIST, the investigation of 7 World Trade Center was delayed for a number of reasons, including that NIST staff who had been working on 7 World Trade Center were assigned full-time from June 2004 to September 2005 to work on the investigation of the collapse of the Twin Towers.[50] In June 2007, Shyam Sunder explained, "We are proceeding as quickly as possible while rigorously testing and evaluating a wide range of scenarios to reach the most definitive conclusion possible. The 7 WTC investigation is in some respects just as challenging, if not more so, than the study of the towers. However, the current study does benefit greatly from the significant technological advances achieved and lessons learned from our work on the towers."
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I couldn't care any less on how to use the 'quote' Feature to Please You.
You don't need to please me. Its just common courtesy when you make a response. Using the quote feature allows the reader to easily separate what you are saying from what the person you are responding to says.
So were you just being rude or what?
You managed to yet again not answer / or explain.
You clearly have some very deep rooted anger issues & mental confusion.
Constantly berating & calling posters names, How Big & Intelligent of You.
The only real name calling that's been going on lately is between Ropo, you and Madador
Yet again your going on about my flawed logic, And how I Supposedly think.
Everything Bar Come up with an intelligible believable answer.
You Haven't explained why 1 building remained Standing & The other was destroyed / collapsed.
Yes i have. You are just being obtuse.
The damage from the WTC's on WTC 7 is different than the Damage on the Bank. Additionally, the bank is constructed and designed differently than WTC 7. Therefore, you have a different out come.
Hence the logical fallacy of saying that because WTC 7 fell, the bank should have. Or because a+b=c, then a+d should (100% of the time) also = c is a logical fallacy.
Twice you have Been unable to Answer & Your Anger From This Being Obvious to All Who Read
Is Overwhelming You.
If All You Can Do Is Try And Insult, Call Names, Pontificate Etc Etc.
Don't Bother.. As you are incapable of being a reasonable & rationable Adult.
I would highly doubt you would be speaking to me face to face in the manner in which
You feel compelled to write.
A Legend In your own Mind.
And Village Idiot To Every One Else.
You are right, I am getting a little frustrated with you. Specifically your inability to use common sense and reasoning when it comes to why one building fell and another didn't. I even used a tornado analogy that fell on deaf ears, or a deaf brain.
And if pointing out both a common sense failure and a logical fallacy makes me the village idiot (name calling lol) I am perfectly OK with that. Its that type of thinking (logic) that has advanced the human race from the dark ages.
PS: See how i used the quote feature as i explained earlier. Kind of nice huh?
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I don't think so.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center)
from wiki
The bulk of the investigation of 7 World Trade Center was delayed until after reports were completed on the Twin Towers.[8] In the meantime, NIST provided a preliminary report about 7 World Trade Center in June 2004, and thereafter released occasional updates on the investigation.[38] According to NIST, the investigation of 7 World Trade Center was delayed for a number of reasons, including that NIST staff who had been working on 7 World Trade Center were assigned full-time from June 2004 to September 2005 to work on the investigation of the collapse of the Twin Towers.[50] In June 2007, Shyam Sunder explained, "We are proceeding as quickly as possible while rigorously testing and evaluating a wide range of scenarios to reach the most definitive conclusion possible. The 7 WTC investigation is in some respects just as challenging, if not more so, than the study of the towers. However, the current study does benefit greatly from the significant technological advances achieved and lessons learned from our work on the towers."
And does that makes sense to you? You don't see any holes in their statements? Like they tried to search for explanations that would adapt to their theory(The buildings came down due to fire), instead of looking and gathering evidence and then coming up with the theory? I'm been serious here also.
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And does that makes sense to you? You don't see any holes in their statements? Like they tried to search for explanations that would adapt to their theory(The buildings came down due to fire), instead of looking and gathering evidence and then coming up with the theory? I'm been serious here also.
I know you are being serious and i appreciate the dialog we have now. Its far more productive for both of us i think.
It does make sense to me because that quip from wiki isn't the entire approach or does it highlight all they did to investigate it. Of course if that was all they did, i would be suspicious of it.
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Hey Chaos, same proposition, how much would you charge me for the demolition on the buildings in the picture below, they are steel frame skyscrapers and they are in Chicago, and I need it done by Friday on the cheap.
How much to light them up on fires so they would come down into their own footprint? You can damage as many core columns as you wish, but no explosives, ok? I need them to go down as silently as possible. Thank you in advance.
(http://66.media.tumblr.com/190981a646d579548ee7f8e9444af3f3/tumblr_nw8nr2dLYf1s5qhggo6_500.jpg)
(https://m.popkey.co/268c58/grZAZ.gif)
About tree fiddy
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You don't need to please me. Its just common courtesy when you make a response. Using the quote feature allows the reader to easily separate what you are saying from what the person you are responding to says.
So were you just being rude or what?
The only real name calling that's been going on lately is between Ropo, you and Madador
Yes i have. You are just being obtuse.
The damage from the WTC's on WTC 7 is different than the Damage on the Bank. Additionally, the bank is constructed and designed differently than WTC 7. Therefore, you have a different out come.
Hence the logical fallacy of saying that because WTC 7 fell, the bank should have. Or because a+b=c, then a+d should (100% of the time) also = c is a logical fallacy.
You are right, I am getting a little frustrated with you. Specifically your inability to use common sense and reasoning when it comes to why one building fell and another didn't. I even used a tornado analogy that fell on deaf ears, or a deaf brain.
And if pointing out both a common sense failure and a logical fallacy makes me the village idiot (name calling lol) I am perfectly OK with that. Its that type of thinking (logic) that has advanced the human race from the dark ages.
PS: See how i used the quote feature as i explained earlier. Kind of nice huh?
Quite honestly I have done with trying to debate / get answers from you,
For the time being.
You were the one making a Bold Statement to another poster Saying You Could Explain / Prove The
Official story Was True.
Yet you clearly cannot, and not just my questions other posters questions also.
The Delusion that you Believe you Have Answered / Explained The questions is indicative of your self righteous State of mind.
As For Calling You A Village Idiot, Yes Me Name calling you, As you so Quickly resort to Name calling every one else, you not so Keen when it is You being called Names.
Truth is I do think of you as an idiot, Though Not Thick or particularly Stupid -- You come across as a Idiot / Fool with your Gradose attitude. And Empty Answers.
As for Your Self Sanctifiying attitude & Answers
You are a Legend in your own Mind.
No Doubt others will entertain dealing with you, they have more patience than me or do it to continually show you up.. That's Just To Easy & Has Lost its Novelty.
Good Day.
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A Great thread... :)
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Quite honestly I have done with trying to debate / get answers from you,
For the time being.
You should be. The answers i am giving you are both logical and practical.
You have asked, in essence, this question: why does building fall when another doesn't.
The answer is very simple. Yet, your 9/11 paranoid superstitious illogical fantasy won't let you come to grips with nor will it provied you with the tools to argue against it. All you can say is my answer isn't good enough. What a COP OUT.
You were the one making a Bold Statement to another poster Saying You Could Explain / Prove The
Official story Was True.
Yet you clearly cannot, and not just my questions other posters questions also.
The Delusion that you Believe you Have Answered / Explained The questions is indicative of your self righteous State of mind.
I have. And example would be your question about "foot print". I visually showed it with pictures and provided diagrams.
Why don't you just admit, that you have made up your mind and closed it off? Because short of getting in a time machine and viewing the whole event up close, you will not even concede a simple thing even there is a picture to prove it!
As For Calling You A Village Idiot, Yes Me Name calling you, As you so Quickly resort to Name calling every one else, you not so Keen when it is You being called Names.
Oh so now, you are everyone else's defender from my name calling? So i don't call you names, but you feel that because i call other people names that you should point that out and then call me names? LOL ::)
Truth is I do think of you as an idiot, Though Not Thick or particularly Stupid -- You come across as a Idiot / Fool with your Gradose attitude. And Empty Answers.
As for Your Self Sanctifiying attitude & Answers
You are a Legend in your own Mind.
No Doubt others will entertain dealing with you, they have more patience than me or do it to continually show you up.. That's Just To Easy & Has Lost its Novelty.
Good Day.
My logic is sound and my arguments are backed up with pictures and evidence.
What have you got?
Here's what you have:
You managed to yet again not answer / or explain.
A claim that i didn't answer your question. Nothing tangible to back it up. Nothing tangible to back up your original charge, which is nothing more than an association fallacy.
You have ZERO substance, ZERO counters to my answers.
You got nothing.
PS: thanks for using the quote feature.
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I know you are being serious and i appreciate the dialog we have now. Its far more productive for both of us i think.
It does make sense to me because that quip from wiki isn't the entire approach or does it highlight all they did to investigate it. Of course if that was all they did, i would be suspicious of it.
Ok, I can respect your opinion, and that's all good, you have your beliefs, end of story, you keep your attacks to your self and we will keep this civil.
But I would like you to watch this video and put the information in contest with the USA and the Middle East, and give me you personal opinion on it:
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Ok, I can respect your opinion, and that's all good, you have your beliefs, end of story, you keep your attacks to your self and we will keep this civil.
But I would like you to watch this video and put the information in contest with the USA and the Middle East, and give me you personal opinion on it:
Do you ave some cliff notes on this vid? I really don't want to spend an hour watching a vid. I don't mind short vids 3-5 minutes.
Just a little more back ground on were i am coming from to temper any future misunderstandings about my position about our government. (a de-shilling :))
I don't trust our government. I know they routinely do shady shit. I also realize there is quite a bit of classified things that will come to the surface many years from now. I am a bit of a history buff, quite a bit of a WW2 buff.
I don't fully trust our media, in that the lack of competition for legitimate news brought about by consolidation of news reporting companies and goal of advertising dollars makes our news tainted IMO.
But I also subscribe to skepticism. I love to cut through BS and understand that some of my opinions are baseless.
If the vid is about the jewish lobby in America or what ever, what are the main points and i will tell you what i think.
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Zionism
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General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries In Five Years
My personal opinion 9/11 was nothing but a false flag operation, a la Vietnam, but much worse, and more evidence is coming out to support such thinking, watch the news, put the information from this thread into context, watch Europe fall apart, we will be next. Thank God for the internet, otherwise all this would have never reach the population as fast as it has.
Of course you can always buy into the narrative that comes from the Government, but as this primaries has demonstrated once more, the elite people in this country think very lowly of us. In one hand people like Hillary Clinton are telling us there is no money to pay for college, but so far we have spent a trillion dollars in the wars in the Middle East and we keep spending billions with no clear end goal, unless that mission is serving the purpose of somebody else.
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Zionism
I don't know that much about Zionism or about how the deal went down in 1948.
I do know this though. About 25 years ago i met a Palestinian in Berkley, CA. He was in his 80's. Him and his wife were very nice, hospitable and friendly. Some how our discussion led to Israel and he began to tell me how him and his wife were forcibly evicted form him home in 1948. A home he and his family had lived in for many generations. He was told the home was no longer his. He eventually immigrated to the USA. What struck me the most was the anger and hate i could feel from him towards what they did to him. I will never forget it and it tempers my view of problems down there.
I don't buy in to the idea that Israel is free from sin in this mess. On the other hand, I read some stuff a few years back on Zionism on the this forum. I don't remember what it was specifically being talked about, only that I didn't buy into some of the premises either.
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How Oxycontin Lies Made Big Pharma Billions and Created an Addiction Crisis
Where do you think all that legal & illegal heroin is coming from?
And who's laundering all that drug money?
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Now "big pharma" brought down the towers ???
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(https://socioecohistory.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/afghan_opium_production_1994_2009.jpg)
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US expat seeks $1.5 mln for 9/11 ‘hoax’ experiment
You think this guy is serious or he's trolling and a scammer?
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US expat seeks $1.5 mln for 9/11 ‘hoax’ experiment
You think this guy is serious or he's trolling and a scammer?
Only got about couple minutes in. Once again, he's using flawed logic. Its an approach that only appeals to those people who aren't smart enough to know the difference between conditions on 9/11 and how they will not be duplicated in his experiment. Anyone with a lick of common sense would know this.
He lacks the intellect to understand this and therefore thinks he has a good argument to make. What's alarming about a person like this is that he has no idea how stupid he is thinking he came up with some great idea ignoring a hundreds years of the development of scientific testing procedures.
Basically he's a dumb ass. No different than that ass-hat teenager.
PS: he also has no idea how auto-pilot and on board computers work. and if Thialand is stupid enough to allow him to parachute out of plane before it crashes into a building somewhere thinking there isn't a danger of it not flying where its supposed go they are fucking idiots too.
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Now "big pharma" brought down the towers ???
No, but the towers going down surely benefited big pharma, among other industries (Energy, Military etc.)
Afghanistan has got lots of neat materials that pharmaceutical companies can profit from.
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Here is the new list of videos that would explain 9/11 and it's purpose: Watch the videos, follow the links, read the information, believe what you want.
September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL)
9/11 - Loose Change: Final Cut FULL VERSION
Dimitri Khalezov - WTC Nuclear Demolition
911-Conspiracy Finally Solved!: Names, Connections, Motives, 911Matrix of Details Exposed!
Christopher Bollyn - Solving 9-11
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(https://socioecohistory.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/afghan_opium_production_1994_2009.jpg)
:o That is very Diturbing.
Aren't any Big Name Politicians Asking how & why
This has happened.
Clearly Nothing Dodgy Going on There.. ::)
We just Making Things Up.
Oh I know we CT'ers.
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Here is the new list of videos that would explain 9/11 and it's purpose: Watch the videos, follow the links, read the information, believe what you want.
September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL)
9/11 - Loose Change: Final Cut FULL VERSION
Dimitri Khalezov - WTC Nuclear Demolition
911-Conspiracy Finally Solved!: Names, Connections, Motives, 911Matrix of Details Exposed!
Christopher Bollyn - Solving 9-11
That's 15 hours of video. wow
Can you give me 1 time code on one of those vids that's makes a super strong argument?
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That's 15 hours of video. wow
Can you give me 1 time code on one of those vids that's makes a super strong argument?
If you truly believe the Government on what happened on 9/11 then watch Dimitri Khalezov - WTC Nuclear Demolition, you are going to be laughing your ass off with that crazy Russian, but his theory explains why and how two 115 floor buildings became dust where only the steel beens were left, and why everything inside was destroyed, nothing bigger than a office phone was ever recuperated, no office furniture, no bodies, nada.
(http://heiwaco.tripod.com/ABWTC.jpg)
By the way what do you think about this pictures below, real, fake or something else?
Along with older English dictionaries, for the same reason, these photographs could also be used to show the molten rock left behind after the underground cavities were created by nuclear explosions under all three buildings of the World Trade Center. They eventually cooled down and were, at last, cleared of all remaining radioactive materials:
(http://www.911thology.com/nexus1_files/image129.jpg)
(http://www.911thology.com/nexus1_files/image130.jpg)
http://www.911thology.com/nexus1.html
Another good article where you are going to crack up, you should read it.
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What happened to the concrete columns that any engineer would tell us about?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I always thought those particular ones were concrete. Does it even matter
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[quote author=M4tad0r
http://www.911thology.com/nexus1.html
Another good article where you are going to crack up, you should read it.
Very Good Article.
Lots of thought provoking info.
Thanks.
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Let's create a What if Scenario.
I am a novice trainee pilot Never Having actually Flown a Real Plane.
I have Hijacked A Plane At X Thousand Feet up.
Killed The Pilots & Taken over the controls.
I plot a course to The Pentagon, considering I have no previous knowledge of the route to this destination.
I Bring the plane down from X number of Feet up to approx 10/20/30 feet above the ground.
I straight away Find a clear pathway Never having Flown a on this Route at this height & Find a clear route No trees No Lamposts No other Tall obstructions on the way in To Allow me to
Fly The Plane into The Pentagon At 500mph & 10/20 above The ground.
Please can some one quote me odds on this.
Also for those that Believe my Fairy Tale
1. I have a Bridge For Sale.
2. I Know Of A Village That Is
Missing An Idiot.
;)
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Let's create a What if Scenario.
I am a novice trainee pilot Never Having actually Flown a Real Plane.
I have Hijacked A Plane At X Thousand Feet up.
Killed The Pilots & Taken over the controls.
I plot a course to The Pentagon, considering I have no previous knowledge of the route to this destination.
I Bring the plane down from X number of Feet up to approx 10/20/30 feet above the ground.
I straight away Find a clear pathway Never having Flown a on this Route at this height & Find a clear route No trees No Lamposts No other Tall obstructions on the way in To Allow me to
Fly The Plane into The Pentagon At 500mph & 10/20 above The ground.
Please can some one quote me odds on this.
Also for those that Believe my Fairy Tale
1. I have a Bridge For Sale.
2. I Know Of A Village That Is
Missing An Idiot.
;)
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That's the same point I was trying to make with the joke about the two steel frame skycsrapers in Chicago, how come demolition by fire has not gone mainstream by now, it has to be super cheap, fast and all you have to do is destroy the main support colums and light up a fire in the bottom floors of the building, wait 8 to 12 hours and voila, the steel frames skyscrapers would come down into it's own footprint in seconds, no partial collapse, just straight down to the base.
Imaging all the planification you could save up, no need for engineers, profesional demoliton in explosives which is very dangerous, just light up fires.
We should ask Ropo, how come such practice is not the norm yet, weird right?
Demoliton By Fire, coming near you by our local Getbigger.
(http://66.media.tumblr.com/190981a646d579548ee7f8e9444af3f3/tumblr_nw8nr2dLYf1s5qhggo6_500.jpg)(https://m.popkey.co/268c58/grZAZ.gif)
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From the Article: Ground Zero – Nuclear Demolition of the World Trade Center.
First off, what caught their attention was that the order in which the Twin Towers collapsed did not correspond to the order in which they were struck by planes. The South Tower, which was hit second, collapsed first, and the North Tower, which was hit first, collapsed second.
This meant that it took the “fires” 1 hour and 42 minutes to “collapse” the first Tower and only 56 minutes to “collapse” the second Tower. Considering that the fires in both Towers were caused by approximately the same quantities of kerosene and considering that the Towers were Twins (i.e. they were absolutely identical in their strength), this became the first clear indication that their collapses had nothing to do with fire alone.
The next realization came after 9/11 researchers began to consider that World Trade Center building #7 (an enormously strong modern steel-frame 47-story high skyscraper) had also collapsed in a similar manner later on that afternoon on that very same day, but without having been hit by a plane.
If the collapse of the Twin Towers was to be officially blamed on kerosene carried by “planes”, then the collapse of WTC-7 was unexplainable to such an extent that the official Report of the 9/11 Commission preferred not to mention the collapse of WTC-7 at all – as if the collapse of a 47-story high modern skyscraper was not worthy of a single mention.
Comparison of these three events and a lot of irregularities surrounding their collapses brought the first 9/11 researchers to the realization that they were being lied to by the authorities and that the destruction of the World Trade Center had nothing to do with kerosene or any “planes” because no planes were needed in the first place.
http://www.911thology.com/nexus1.html
That's why I was hammering the point of the 15 floors that obliterated 90 floors to the base of the twin towers after only been on fire for 1 hour and 42 minutes, 2 of the tallest building in the World, came down that day because two hollow aluminum planes crashed into them, setting them on fire and collapse in seconds after 2 hours. Reality that day was beyond fiction.
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It really is all so overwhelming to imagine any semi-intelligent individual could be presented with so much information and yet remain committed to a belief in the official story.
I watch the montage videos of men and women jumping/falling from the WTCs to their certain deaths and feel such anger. They could be my wife, my brother or my friend.
Some people decided their lives were expendable in service of their selfish pursuits.
That the horrors these victims experienced before finding peace in death was acceptable, as long as they got what they wanted.
The disparity in our species is nothing short of awe-inspiring. Some are so good, well meaning and decent.
And some are so utterly despicable it's difficult to comprehend.
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What about the people that are still dying? Are you kidding me?
What's the new scandal from the Government? Mercury based preservative thimerosal in vacines linked to autism. Why do you think they are trying to shut down all this discusion about vacinating your kids?
Trace Amounts is an investigative documentary exploring the link between the mercury based preservative thimerosal and the autism epidemic. The film further explores the alarming rate that the world population is being exposed to mercury through industrial emissions and the unsafe use and disposal of dental silver fillings and florescent light bulbs.
VAXXED: the ABC News interview that Big Pharma didn't want you to see
This is the full UNCUT interview that ABC World News conducted with Del Bigtree of the "VAXXED" documentary now censored by Robert De Niro and the Tribeca Film Festival.
Scientist whistleblower from the CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) comes forward and states they are committing fraud with their conclusion on their studies.
And don't forget about the epidemic drug use with legal heroin Oxycontin thanks to the war on terror in Afghanistan and legal meth use as well of Adderall.
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Well back to 9/11:
Aside from showing the clear details of the North Tower's complete pulverization during collapse, this video also clearly displays details of the pulverization of the remaining steel spear visible to the right that was missed by the Tower's top falling downwards and was pulverized under its own pressure a few seconds later (pulverization of the steel spear is clearly seen after the passing by of a truck). This footage leaves no doubt that the steel structure of the Tower was reduced to complete microscopic dust. The pattern of collapse of the heavy and undamaged Tower's top clearly shows that nothing solid remained under it, except for complete, fluffy steel dust.
(http://www.911thology.com/nexus1_files/image100.jpg)
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One more film, the last entry, I promise. Highly recommended, it support the crazy Russian Dimitri Khalezov theory without mentioning it.
9-11 Psy Opera
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I always thought those particular ones were concrete. Does it even matter
It matters in the context of you basing your beliefs with incorrect information. And then the condescending attitude of "any engineer will tell you that."
At the very least it should tell you your personal need to examine the event thoroughly to derive a well thought out and researched conclusion.
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That's the same point I was trying to make with the joke about the two steel frame skycsrapers in Chicago, how come demolition by fire has not gone mainstream by now, it has to be super cheap, fast and all you have to do is destroy the main support colums and light up a fire in the bottom floors of the building, wait 8 to 12 hours and voila, the steel frames skyscrapers would come down into it's own footprint in seconds, no partial collapse, just straight down to the base.
Imaging all the planification you could save up, no need for engineers, profesional demoliton in explosives which is very dangerous, just light up fires.
We should ask Ropo, how come such practice is not the norm yet, weird right?
Demoliton By Fire, coming near you by our local Getbigger.
(http://66.media.tumblr.com/190981a646d579548ee7f8e9444af3f3/tumblr_nw8nr2dLYf1s5qhggo6_500.jpg)(https://m.popkey.co/268c58/grZAZ.gif)
Because they can't guarantee it will land on its footprint. WTC 7, 1 and 2 are good examples of that. With explosives they can.
additionally all had 3rd party damage damage.
Sorry to bring this up again. But that was a flawed logic premise.
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Well back to 9/11:
Aside from showing the clear details of the North Tower's complete pulverization during collapse, this video also clearly displays details of the pulverization of the remaining steel spear visible to the right that was missed by the Tower's top falling downwards and was pulverized under its own pressure a few seconds later (pulverization of the steel spear is clearly seen after the passing by of a truck). This footage leaves no doubt that the steel structure of the Tower was reduced to complete microscopic dust. The pattern of collapse of the heavy and undamaged Tower's top clearly shows that nothing solid remained under it, except for complete, fluffy steel dust.
(http://www.911thology.com/nexus1_files/image100.jpg)
If there was "complete pulverization" there would have only been a mound of dust.
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From the Article: Ground Zero – Nuclear Demolition of the World Trade Center.
First off, what caught their attention was that the order in which the Twin Towers collapsed did not correspond to the order in which they were struck by planes. The South Tower, which was hit second, collapsed first, and the North Tower, which was hit first, collapsed second.
This meant that it took the “fires” 1 hour and 42 minutes to “collapse” the first Tower and only 56 minutes to “collapse” the second Tower. Considering that the fires in both Towers were caused by approximately the same quantities of kerosene and considering that the Towers were Twins (i.e. they were absolutely identical in their strength), this became the first clear indication that their collapses had nothing to do with fire alone.
The next realization came after 9/11 researchers began to consider that World Trade Center building #7 (an enormously strong modern steel-frame 47-story high skyscraper) had also collapsed in a similar manner later on that afternoon on that very same day, but without having been hit by a plane.
If the collapse of the Twin Towers was to be officially blamed on kerosene carried by “planes”, then the collapse of WTC-7 was unexplainable to such an extent that the official Report of the 9/11 Commission preferred not to mention the collapse of WTC-7 at all – as if the collapse of a 47-story high modern skyscraper was not worthy of a single mention.
Comparison of these three events and a lot of irregularities surrounding their collapses brought the first 9/11 researchers to the realization that they were being lied to by the authorities and that the destruction of the World Trade Center had nothing to do with kerosene or any “planes” because no planes were needed in the first place.
http://www.911thology.com/nexus1.html
That's why I was hammering the point of the 15 floors that obliterated 90 floors to the base of the twin towers after only been on fire for 1 hour and 42 minutes, 2 of the tallest building in the World, came down that day because two hollow aluminum planes crashed into them, setting them on fire and collapse in seconds after 2 hours. Reality that day was beyond fiction.
Yet a few years later they did investigate and provided a report.
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If you truly believe the Government on what happened on 9/11 then watch Dimitri Khalezov - WTC Nuclear Demolition, you are going to be laughing your ass off with that crazy Russian, but his theory explains why and how two 115 floor buildings became dust where only the steel beens were left, and why everything inside was destroyed, nothing bigger than a office phone was ever recuperated, no office furniture, no bodies, nada.
http://www.911thology.com/nexus1.html
Another good article where you are going to crack up, you should read it.
It think there might be some malware on that link.
Not that if nothing survived bigger than a office phone proves or supports that Russian's nuKe theory anyway.... here some thing as big or bigger that survived.
(https://tribwpix.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/wtc-extinguisher.jpg?w=770)
12 survivors pulled from WTC rubble (assuming all 12 were bigger than a office phone:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/this_just_in/2002/09/an_unlikely_hero.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/this_just_in/2002/09/an_unlikely_hero.html)
(https://tribwpix.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/wtc-bmw-artifact.jpg?w=2000)
(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/helmet_reuters-300x300.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=300)
(http://www.trbimg.com/img-522ba276/turbine/la-la-ca-0829-artificats-139-jpg-20130905/600/600x472)
(http://www.911memorial.org/sites/all/files/imagecache/blog_post_medium/blog/images/Damange%20Phone%20Booth_%20Credit%20Jin%20Lee.jpg)
(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2014-06-19-wtc15.jpg)
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/be/ef/d6/beefd6e3c5e017560dc4257644253581.jpg (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/be/ef/d6/beefd6e3c5e017560dc4257644253581.jpg)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ziZjMEWJQS4/maxresdefault.jpg)
Office phone lol
(https://iguru.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/9-11-Memorial-10.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/14/article-2628111-1DD75ABD00000578-800_964x610.jpg)
If you google WTC 9/11 bodies you get pics too.
Seriously, most 9/11 arguments are either based on association fallacies or false premises.
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Because they can't guarantee it will land on its footprint. WTC 7, 1 and 2 are good examples of that. With explosives they can.
additionally all had 3rd party damage damage.
Sorry to bring this up again. But that was a flawed logic premise.
Hey Ozmo remember this picture you provided as damage from WTC 7 onto other buildings? Gues what, it was a lie.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Verizon_building_damage2.jpg/225px-Verizon_building_damage2.jpg)
From the germant article I provided a link to:
In the photo above, you can see damage inflicted to the neighboring “Verizon-Building” by such a piece of steel perimeter assembly. From the twin towers. Thank you.
(http://www.911thology.com/nexus1_files/image107.jpg)
http://www.911thology.com/nexus1.html
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It think there might be some malware on that link.
Not that if nothing survived bigger than a office phone proves or supports that Russian's nuKe theory anyway.... here some thing as big or bigger that survived.
(https://tribwpix.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/wtc-extinguisher.jpg?w=770)
12 survivors pulled from WTC rubble (assuming all 12 were bigger than a office phone:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/this_just_in/2002/09/an_unlikely_hero.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/this_just_in/2002/09/an_unlikely_hero.html)
(https://tribwpix.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/wtc-bmw-artifact.jpg?w=2000)
(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/helmet_reuters-300x300.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=300)
(http://www.trbimg.com/img-522ba276/turbine/la-la-ca-0829-artificats-139-jpg-20130905/600/600x472)
(http://www.911memorial.org/sites/all/files/imagecache/blog_post_medium/blog/images/Damange%20Phone%20Booth_%20Credit%20Jin%20Lee.jpg)
(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2014-06-19-wtc15.jpg)
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/be/ef/d6/beefd6e3c5e017560dc4257644253581.jpg (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/be/ef/d6/beefd6e3c5e017560dc4257644253581.jpg)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ziZjMEWJQS4/maxresdefault.jpg)
Office phone lol
(https://iguru.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/9-11-Memorial-10.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/14/article-2628111-1DD75ABD00000578-800_964x610.jpg)
If you google WTC 9/11 bodies you get pics too.
Seriously, most 9/11 arguments are either based on association fallacies or false premises.
The only premises based on false theories are yours every time you come back here with your lies, at this point it's more then clear the Government patsy that you are but I will entertain you for a while.
All this pictures of evidences you said are from all around the twin towers. If you think that came from underneath the twin towers I got a bridge to sell you. Lol
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Yet a few years later they did investigate and provided a report.
Which to date they have not presented or released for peer review and you have not demonstrated otherwise. Thanks for playing, try again.
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Because they can't guarantee it will land on its footprint. WTC 7, 1 and 2 are good examples of that. With explosives they can.
additionally all had 3rd party damage damage.
Sorry to bring this up again. But that was a flawed logic premise.
Biggest lie to date, lying Ozmo still saying the buildings did not come down into it's own footprint, now me know who's the pot head here.
The only flaw logic is yours, like trying to slander the the guy who wanted to recreate 9/11, the creators of loose change and now this, HAHAHAH, nice try patsy.
(http://cdn.history.com/sites/2/2014/01/aerial-view-of-world-trade-center.jpg) TWIN TOWERS
(http://media.theweek.com/img/generic/Tower1.jpg) TWIN TOWERS
(http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/images/wtc7/wtc7_spraying.jpg) WTC 7
(http://www2.ae911truth.org/images/gallery/wtc7debris.jpg) WTC 7
(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_sociopol/911_3playact58.jpg) WTC 7
(http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/dirt/pics/Image217b.jpg) WTC 7
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Biggest lie to date, lying Ozmo still saying the buildings did not come down into it's own footprint, now me know who's the pot head here.
I have shown visual evidence. Undeniable.
The only flaw logic is yours, like trying to slander the the guy who wanted to recreate 9/11, the creators of loose change and now this, HAHAHAH, nice try patsy.
So we are back to name calling?
The point is he can't recreate the conditions without an exact replica of the WTCs. Basic logic and science.
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Which to date they have not presented for peer review and you have not demonstrated otherwise. Thanks for playing, try again.
sorry, I would trust our government over some Russian hack who uses false premises to make his arguments. And that says a lot because i don't trust our government.
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The only premises based on false theories are yours every time you come back here with your lies, at this point it's more then clear the Government patsy that you are but I will entertain you for while.
All this pictures of evidences you said are from all around the twin towers. If you think that came from underneath the twin towers I got a bridge to sell you. Lol
Couldn't keep it civil could you?
you said he said nothing bigger than a office phone. I showed pics of things bigger then and office phone.
you said He said no bodies. google it, there were bodies and 12 survivors.
I provided pics. undeniable.
So now, all you have to come back with is calling me a liar (and name calling)?
that's WEAK SAUCE. :)
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I have shown visual evidence. Undeniable.
So we are back to name calling?
The point is he can't recreate the conditions without an exact replica of the WTCs. Basic logic and science.
My visual evidence beats your lies every time, Fact.
The moment you star lying, the truce is over, trying to slander people left and right like the patsy you are, I'm going to call you out on your bullshit, end of story.
But they did on 9/11. We all see were you are going with YOUR flaw logic, lol.
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My visual evidence beats your lies every time, Fact.
The moment you star lying, the truce is over, trying to slander people left and right like the patsy you are, I going to call you out on your bullshit, end of story.
But they did on 9/11. We all see were you are going with YOUR flaw logic, lol.
So those surrounding buildings were not damaged?
Those pics are faked?
Everyone is on it?
;D
I am showing you pics, how am i lying?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
WEAK SAUCE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
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sorry, I would trust our government over some Russian hack who uses false premises to make his arguments. And that says a lot because i don't trust our government.
Here you go again, you just can't restrain your self from slandering people, eh?
To bad for you I'm in this thread. Lol.
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Here you go again, you just can't restrain your self from slandering people, eh?
To bad for you I'm in this thread. Lol.
It didn't take long for the true you to come back eh?
I love that you are in thread.
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You are by far the most fun person i have ever dealt with on 9/11
You couldn't keep it civil, when i provided visual evidence debunking your claims, you call me lair?
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Your list of failures are so long now. ;D
This is a great example of the mental fragility of a typical 9/11 Truffer ;D
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So those surrounding buildings were not damaged?
Those pics are faked?
Everyone is on it?
;D
The surrounding building were damage but from the debris that were lunch from the twin tower as we seen in the videos, NOT form WTC 7 while going down. Fact.
The pictures you presented were in fact damage from debris from the twin towers. Fact. Your explanation lies, like the pictures from accident from planes that supposedly desintegraded, also lies.
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41094000/jpg/_41094644_longshotgetty416.jpg) What do you see at the right bottom side of the crashed building? I'm seeing the wings and ENGINES, you?
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The surrounding building were damage but from the debris that were lunch from the twin tower as we seen in the videos, NOT form WTC 7 while going down. Fact.
The pictures you presented were in fact damage from debris from the twin towers. Fact. Your explanation lies, like the pictures from accident from planes that supposedly desintegraded, also lies.
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41094000/jpg/_41094644_longshotgetty416.jpg) What do you see at the right side of the crashed building? I'm seeing the wings and ENGINES, you?
You are by far the most fun person i have ever dealt with on 9/11
You couldn't keep it civil, when i provided visual evidence debunking your claims, you call me lair?
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Your list of failures are so long now. ;D
This is a great example of the mental fragility of a typical 9/11 Truffer ;D
PS: that pic if for the pentagon argument, not the WTC 7 one. lol can't even get that right can you? add another one to your failure list HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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It didn't take long for the true you to come back eh?
I love that you are in thread.
Thinking you are winning, when every body is seen you for the patsy that you are, HAHAHHAHAHAHAA.
Nice try. Please try again.
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Thinking you are winning, when every body is seen you for the patsy that you are, HAHAHHAHAHAHAA.
Nice try. Please try again.
You are by far the most fun person i have ever dealt with on 9/11 (seriously)
You couldn't keep it civil, when i provided visual evidence debunking your claims, you call me lair?
you come back here with your lies… … it's more then clear the Government patsy
Biggest lie to date, lying Ozmo... ....nice try patsy.
The moment you star lying,
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Your list of failures are so long now.
This is a great example of the mental fragility of a typical 9/11 Truffer When losing badly they regress into personal attacks.
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It really is all so overwhelming to imagine any semi-intelligent individual could be presented with so much information and yet remain committed to a belief in the official story.
I watch the montage videos of men and women jumping/falling from the WTCs to their certain deaths and feel such anger. They could be my wife, my brother or my friend.
Some people decided their lives were expendable in service of their selfish pursuits.
That the horrors these victims experienced before finding peace in death was acceptable, as long as they got what they wanted.
The disparity in our species is nothing short of awe-inspiring. Some are so good, well meaning and decent.
And some are so utterly despicable it's difficult to comprehend.
X2
Interesting sentiments
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Let's create a What if Scenario.
I am a novice trainee pilot Never Having actually Flown a Real Plane.
I have Hijacked A Plane At X Thousand Feet up.
Killed The Pilots & Taken over the controls.
I plot a course to The Pentagon, considering I have no previous knowledge of the route to this destination.
I Bring the plane down from X number of Feet up to approx 10/20/30 feet above the ground.
I straight away Find a clear pathway Never having Flown a on this Route at this height & Find a clear route No trees No Lamposts No other Tall obstructions on the way in To Allow me to
Fly The Plane into The Pentagon At 500mph & 10/20 above The ground.
Please can some one quote me odds on this.
Also for those that Believe my Fairy Tale
1. I have a Bridge For Sale.
2. I Know Of A Village That Is
Missing An Idiot.
;)
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My guess is in about 50 years or so the government will fess up and be like "oh yeah we did it because we needed to provide you more security and such, but would never do anything like that today, it was a different time". Blah blah yeah right ::)
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My guess is in about 50 years or so the government will fess up and be like "oh yeah we did it because we needed to provide you more security and such, but would never do anything like that today, it was a different time". Blah blah yeah right ::)
Scary shit when a country can withhold information and then 50years later stuff gets declassified and they're like "ah well yeah we did that, what you gonna do now?".
Given Americans have the memory of a goldfish (Since history repeats itself over and over), they won't even bat an eye when presented with that info some 50 years later.
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It really is all so overwhelming to imagine any semi-intelligent individual could be presented with so much information and yet remain committed to a belief in the official story.
I watch the montage videos of men and women jumping/falling from the WTCs to their certain deaths and feel such anger. They could be my wife, my brother or my friend.
Some people decided their lives were expendable in service of their selfish pursuits.
That the horrors these victims experienced before finding peace in death was acceptable, as long as they got what they wanted.
The disparity in our species is nothing short of awe-inspiring. Some are so good, well meaning and decent.
And some are so utterly despicable it's difficult to comprehend.
X3
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Tauchzeichen-Okay-Diving-Sign-Okay.png)
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To suggest jet fuel can melt asbestos-fire-retardent clad steel beams is like saying a nice log would melt a stove.
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01694/p_aga-stove_1694391b.jpg)
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To suggest jet fuel can melt asbestos-fire-retardent clad steel beams is like saying a nice log would melt a stove.
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01694/p_aga-stove_1694391b.jpg)
To suggest that jet fuel melted the steel beams and that's why the WTC's fell, means you haven't read and researched 9/11.
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The most common of trait of CT'ers is the denial of reality especially when presented with visual proof that destroys their flawed logic and false premise based arguments.
So they live in the fairy tale land of false premises that sway the ignorant.
Most if not all become cowards in the process of their BS getting exposed for what it is.
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Scary shit when a country can withhold information and then 50years later stuff gets declassified and they're like "ah well yeah we did that, what you gonna do now?".
Given Americans have the memory of a goldfish (Since history repeats itself over and over), they won't even bat an eye when presented with that info some 50 years later.
Well in this case Bush ensured that the documents remain sealed forever. Some only done by presidents a couple times in the history of the country. So there's no expiration date.
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The most common of trait of CT'ers is the denial of reality especially when presented with visual proof that destroys their flawed logic and false premise based arguments.
So they live in the fairy tale land of false premises that sway the ignorant.
Most if not all become cowards in the process of their BS getting exposed for what it is.
The ignorant are the ones that believe the official story.. My God, nobody that thinks like a rational adult could ever possibly believe that utter bullshit..
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The ignorant are the ones that believe the official story.. My God, nobody that thinks like a rational adult could ever possibly believe that utter bullshit..
Most CT'ers I have dealt with don't even know what that BS is because they have never heavily read or researched it. And when presented with evidence that directly invalidates CT'er arguments they hide their head in the sand or make excuses. And instead hold on to flawed logic, false premises, and rhetoric as if its some sort of scriptural truth.
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Most CT'ers I have dealt with don't even know what that BS is because they have never heavily read or researched it. And when presented with evidence that directly invalidates CT'er arguments they hide their head in the sand or make excuses. And instead hold on to flawed logic, false premises, and rhetoric as if its some sort of scriptural truth.
My eyes roll back into my head so far when I read this shit, I can see my brain.
In case you're wondering what a brain is, it's the organ you're not using when discussing
This matter. I find it hard to believe you actually believe half the crap you say.
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And "conspiracy sites" usually use it to say a stand-down order was issued (which Cheney denies).
But what does it mean for a shoot-down order, if the military-command was ignoring Cheney's direction, as they admitted?
I'm sure some of you have figured out, this is the center of it all. Under these circumstances, Cheney wasn't in a position of authority to give lawful orders to the military. He could (and did) go through the empty motion of doing exactly that, however.
In other words, despite the claim made on many "conspiracy sites", Cheney had no reason to take the unnecessary risk of giving a stand-down order. He wouldn't need to do that, knowing his commands couldn't be acted upon, lawfully.
That's the 'how'.
It gives a good clue, too, that many of the conspiracy sites are either fake, or (for some reason) they are copying from other sites -- turning the most misleading ideas into the most popular. That includes Alex Jones. If someone could link to a "CT site" which says anything but that Cheney "gave a stand-down order" as it relates to the Mineta testimony -- and it isn't doing it by pushing a no-plane claim without breaking down the security footage which shows a plane -- then maybe you've found the rare site which can be trusted.
It also gives reason for the no-plane theory being such a long lived and well-known part of the circus, despite what we've found on this thread to throw cold water on it.
It is a campaign for widespread misdirection, planned to perform in exactly this way IMO. Done through sheer volume on the CT-site side, and a reliance on low incentive for the Official Story side.
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Well in this case Bush ensured that the documents remain sealed forever. Some only done by presidents a couple times in the history of the country. So there's no expiration date.
Jeez :P is that correct.
I wasn't aware they had been sealed indefinitely.
Any Explanation as to why such a move is necessary.??
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My eyes roll back into my head so far when I read this shit, I can see my brain.
In case you're wondering what a brain is, it's the organ you're not using when discussing
This matter. I find it hard to believe you actually believe half the crap you say.
I wonder why you don't believe visual evidence, plain as the nose on your face, that invalidates your arguments about 9/11. Or maybe I am mistaken about why you don't think a plane hit the pentagon or crashed in Shanksville
Its hard for me to believe that people who believe in outlandish conspiracy theories consciously ignoring common sense and logic allowing themselves to fall prey to amateur persuasive garbage. This whole thread is filled with it. Namely false premises and association fallacies.
It amazes me that grown adults are so stupid to believe this. And it doesn't take long in a discussion to see just how little they have read and researched 9/11 but instead waddled in the muck of their own rhetoric.
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Oh lying Ozmo, you poor child, can't deal with the reality you are alone in this thread, and every body has turn against you.
The only CT is you, who believe the lies from our Government.
The Government lied on that day.
Proof:
9/11 Incontrovertible Proof the Government is Lying
What we see in the video is a government employee just lying trough his teeth, claiming there was no melted steel on Ground Zero, then we see live testimony of witness that were there telling another story.
If he lied about something so simple, then that discredit the hole 9/11 report because it was base on the premise that jet and office fire melted steel that day and made 3 buildings come down into it's own footprint.
Which that makes you the biggest liar for slandering people and defending the biggest lie told by the Government to date.
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I wonder why you don't believe visual evidence, plain as the nose on your face, that invalidates your arguments about 9/11. Or maybe I am mistaken about why you don't think a plane hit the pentagon or crashed in Shanksville
Its hard for me to believe that people who believe in outlandish conspiracy theories consciously ignoring common sense and logic allowing themselves to fall prey to amateur persuasive garbage. This whole thread is filled with it. Namely false premises and association fallacies.
It amazes me that grown adults are so stupid to believe this. And it doesn't take long in a discussion to see just how little they have read and researched 9/11 but instead waddled in the muck of their own rhetoric.
Because I have debunked all your lies that's why.
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The ignorant are the ones that believe the official story.. My God, nobody that thinks like a rational adult could ever possibly believe that utter bullshit..
Exactly.
Reading through this entire thread and looking at all the information has been overwhelming
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Oh lying Ozmo, you poor child, can't deal with the reality you are alone in this thread, and every body has turn against you.
The only CT is you, who believe the lies from our Government.
The Government lied on that day.
Proof:
9/11 Incontrovertible Proof the Government is Lying
What we see in the video is a government employee just lying trough his teeth, claiming there was no melted steel on Ground Zero, then we see live testimony of witness that were there telling another story.
If he lied about something so simple, then that discredit the hole 9/11 report because it was base on the premise that fire melted steel that day and made 3 building come down into it's own footprint.
Which that makes you the biggest liar for slandering people and defending the biggest lie told by the Government to date.
To say the government lied is actually unfair there were a small group of crooks who had immense power. There are probably more good people in goverment than bad ones but all it takes is a few..
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To suggest that jet fuel melted the steel beams and that's why the WTC's fell, means you haven't read and researched 9/11.
You keep doing the same claim with no proof to back up your lies, the report was 10.000 pages long, to which yourself never did bother to read it, and you are just here trolling this thread.
For example:
Claiming the report on 9/11 is main stream science. That is a lie. No profesor to date that do not receive any grant from the Goverment has come out with a study that has been peer review and supports the Government version on what happened on 9/11.
Nist never released their computer models and mathematics calculation for peer review and turn down all Fioa's. Nist report was a lie because they based it's report on the flaw logic that fire brought down the buildings.
Claiming that other airlines crashes have desintagraded like Flight 93, another lie and flaw logic on your side as well. The examples you give us here were obvious they all have one thing in common, and that was the ENGINES were clearly visible in all three accidents. Where are the ENGINES in the crash site of Flight 93?
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To say the government lied is actually unfair there were a small group of crooks who had immense power. There are probably more good people in goverment than bad ones but all it takes is a few..
100% agree with you, everybody in the government is compartmentalized, so the employees do not really know what's is going on until years later.
We know who the guilty parties are here, starting the Bush Government, then the CIA and last but not least and is what all this disinformation is really about is to stop people to keep investigating 9/11 and it's link with Zionism.
I highly recommend every body re-watch the video below and then go to his website read his articles and hopefully buy his book.
9/11 was our biggest false flag to date perpetraded by the Neocons and Zionist that have their prints all over it. All backup by the Roschild familiy money.
Now don't confuse this with antisemitism, this is not against Jews, this is about the corrupt Zionist and Neocons in goverment and how they perpetrated 9/11 and why they are trying to stop the truth movement at all cost.
To end all wars is to open a criminal investigation on 9/11, this should be a truth pushed in Europe as well since they are the most affected with the mass immigration by the topple and destruction of the Middle East
http://www.bollyn.com/
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Alex Jones and 9-11 Disinfo
A supporter just sent me a link to a 47-minute video between Jones and Dr. Steve Pieczenik, from April 21, in which they discussed who they think was behind 9-11. An analysis of their conversation reveals that Jones controls and dominates the discussion to lead the listener away from the truth about who was behind 9-11. In particular, Jones steers the listener away from understanding that Israeli intelligence played the key role, as the architectural level planner and managerial level operator of the false-flag terror atrocity and the subsequent cover-up.
When Steve Pieczenik gets to speak, he says: "The Neo-Cons, the Neo-Con Jews, Israel, Dubai, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, will all be implicated in 9-11."
Pieczenik goes on to say that dual-national civilians loyal to the state of Israel had taken over the Pentagon under George W. Bush.
He said that he knew immediately on 9-11 that it was a stand-down false-flag terror attack. He said that he got a call from "Israeli operatives" on the morning of 9-11. The Israelis told him that planes had struck the towers and that the towers were or would be collapsing.
Pieczenik said that he told the Israelis that that was impossible. The Israelis then told him that he must be "an Arabist".
He told Jones that at that point he knew who was involved in 9-11. "It was Israel," he told Jones.
Jones then takes a commercial break. When he comes back he spends the next eight minutes defending Israel rather than returning to his guest. In his eight-minute diatribe Jones first takes on some imaginary "white supremacists" who he says just want to "kill all the Jews." He then goes on about Herr Hitler and talks about how he has always defended the little guy against schoolyard bullies because, he says, it is in his genes.
He then says that the "white supremacists" are all controlled factions, telling his viewers and listeners, "I'm a faction that is not controlled." All of this is done to give the listener the idea that Alex Jones is unlike any other source, that he is giving his listeners the unvarnished truth. In this way Jones tries to cultivate a following of devoted listeners who are willing to believe whatever he says, simply because he says it.
Rather than let his highly-esteemed guest talk about who he thinks is behind 9-11, Jones goes on and on about trivial things that are not at all related to the subject. Finally, he lets Dr. Pieczenik say a bit more about 9-11.
- See more at: http://www.bollyn.com/#article_15482
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If there was "complete pulverization" there would have only been a mound of dust.
Here you go again having problems with reading and comprehension and just lying.
The "complete pulverization" which they talk about is the steel spear, not the complete pulverization of the twin towers, and there was dust all over New York, again lying Ozmo fully expose once again.
Aside from showing the clear details of the North Tower's pulverization during collapse, this video also clearly displays details of the pulverization of the remaining steel spear visible to the right that was missed by the Tower's top falling downwards and was pulverized under its own pressure a few seconds later (pulverization of the steel spear is clearly seen after the passing by of a truck). This footage leaves no doubt that the steel structure of the Tower was reduced to complete microscopic dust. The pattern of collapse of the heavy and undamaged Tower's top clearly shows that nothing solid remained under it, except for complete, fluffy steel dust.
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Ground Zero – Nuclear Demolition of the World Trade Center.
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http://www.911thology.com/nexus1.html
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Jeb Bush's Zionist Paymasters: Bloomberg and Rothschild - See more at: http://www.bollyn.com/#article_15162
The real criminals, therefore, desperately need to control the White House in order to maintain the 9-11 deception because they are culpable for the false-flag terror atrocity and the two wars of aggression that followed in its wake. Only by controlling the U.S. president can the criminal gang behind 9-11 and these illegal wars avoid prosecution, which is essential for the survival of their criminal regime.
When the London-based Barclays, a foreign bank controlled by the Rothschild family, announced that it would take over Lehman Brothers – the day after its collapse – Jeb Bush effectively became a highly-paid adviser to the Rothschild-controlled bank. During the time that Jeb Bush was paid more than $1 million a year at Barclays, the disgraced British bank was run by Marcus Agius, who is married to Katherine de Rothschild, daughter of Edmund Leopold de Rothschild, former head of the Rothschild financial dynasty of England.
When Jeb left public office in 2007 he is reported to have been worth about $1.3 million. After seven years working for Bloomberg, Lehman, and Barclays, Bush is now worth about $29 million – half of it coming from the Rothschild-controlled Barclays, as Charles Gasparino reported in his recent article, “Jeb Bush’s Big Lehman Brothers Problem”
Not much is known about what Bush actually did for Lehman—the firm that went belly-up in 2008 and sparked the wider financial crisis, and Barclays, the bank that purchased Lehman out of bankruptcy and continues to work out of its midtown Manhattan headquarters. He began working for the former after his term as Florida governor ended in 2007, and continued working for the latter until the end of 2014, when he decided to run for president.
The two banks were his biggest sources of income in recent years: Bush earned more than $14 million working for Lehman and then Barclays, which based on my understanding of simple math accounted for nearly half of the $29 million he made after he left government.
Source: "Jeb Bush’s Big Lehman Brothers Problem"
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/02/jeb-bush-s-big-lehman-brothers-problem.html
For the past four years, Jeb Bush has also served on the board of Michael Bloomberg’s foundation, Bloomberg Philanthropies, which has donated millions of dollars to Bush’s educational foundation:
Four companies and nonprofits that appointed Bush to their boards of directors or advisory boards backed the educational foundation [of Jeb Bush]. One, Bloomberg Philanthropies, was among the most frequent supporters, making seven donations worth between $1.2 million to $2.4 million. Bush served on Bloomberg's board from 2010-14.
Source: "Backers of Bush nonprofit include banks, schools, lottery," AP, July 1, 2015
http://news.yahoo.com/backers-bush-nonprofit-banks-schools-lottery-174449361--election.html#
Rupert Murdoch's media giant News Corp. has also donated generously to Jeb Bush’s educational foundation. Murdoch's News Corp. has reportedly made three contributions, at $500,001 to $1 million apiece.
Michael Bloomberg is a leading Zionist agent who oversaw the suppression of 9-11 truth in New York City for 12 years after the false-flag terror attacks. Bloomberg is very supportive of Benjamin Netanyahu and the ruling right-wing Likud coalition of Israel.
The Rothschild family is the original financial and ideological founder of the Zionist state in Palestine. In Britain, the Lord Rothschild is considered the head of British Jewry. In 1998, senior partners of a wholly-owned Rothschild subsidiary, known as Global Technology Partners, LLC, authored a document entitled “Catastrophic Terrorism”, which was published in Foreign Affairs, the journal of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). This document discussed the possibility of a catastrophic terror attack on the United States and what should be done if it were to happen.
http://www.bollyn.com/the-zionist-network-behind-9-11/
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Take a wild guess. Fact is the 9/11 commission wanted Bush and Cheney to testify separately. Cheney said they wouldn't and would only testify together and Bush enacted an order to permanently seal the testimony. Something only done something like twice in US history.
Jeez :P is that correct.
I wasn't aware they had been sealed indefinitely.
Any Explanation as to why such a move is necessary.??
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Aside from showing the clear details of the North Tower's complete pulverization during collapse, this video also clearly displays details of the pulverization of the remaining steel spear visible to the right that was missed by the Tower's top falling downwards and was pulverized under its own pressure a few seconds later (pulverization of the steel spear is clearly seen after the passing by of a truck). This footage leaves no doubt that the steel structure of the Tower was reduced to complete microscopic dust. The pattern of collapse of the heavy and undamaged Tower's top clearly shows that nothing solid remained under it, except for complete, fluffy steel dust.
Very clear video -- Surely most sane rational people would not expect the steel at the top
Of the tower to disintegrate like that.
Rather that it would have fallen & lain on the top of the remains of the collapsed building.
Why or what would of caused it to vaporise like it did, clearly nothing hit or fell on it.
I know We Needed Tonto The Village Idiot To Explain It To Us.
Clearly Our Eyes Are Decieving Us -- It Didn't Vaporise.. ::)
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Take a wild guess. Fact is the 9/11 commission wanted Bush and Cheney to testify separately. Cheney said they wouldn't and would only testify together and Bush enacted an order to permanently seal the testimony. Something only done something like twice in US history.
And People are expected to accept that.
And not question or think it strange.
No It doesn't prove anything -- For the Official story believers.
It does seem very highly questionable Why They Feel the need to hide it away
From People.
If they have nothing to hide be open about it. Or is that asking Too Much.
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Can't explain it? It's a government cover up!!!
Lol
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I wonder why you don't believe visual evidence, plain as the nose on your face, that invalidates your arguments about 9/11. Or maybe I am mistaken about why you don't think a plane hit the pentagon or crashed in Shanksville
Its hard for me to believe that people who believe in outlandish conspiracy theories consciously ignoring common sense and logic allowing themselves to fall prey to amateur persuasive garbage. This whole thread is filled with it. Namely false premises and association fallacies.
It amazes me that grown adults are so stupid to believe this. And it doesn't take long in a discussion to see just how little they have read and researched 9/11 but instead waddled in the muck of their own rhetoric.
Right back at you and anyone who stands on the same side of the fence you are on... Anyone who has a High-School diploma and did even the most basic of physics can see for themselves that the evidence provided by the 9/11 Comission, and regurgitated by the mindless patriotic drones, is nonsense.
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Oslo...The visual evidence points to the fact the official story is totall bullshit...Anybody can see that, you choose not to.. You cannot suspend the laws of physics plain and simple... There is so much wrong with that day... You refute nothing, you just say the evidence proves the official story is correct, which it actually does the exact opposite. Guess what they found from the Egypt Air crash? Debris, body parts, plane parts...wow, crazy isn't it? On 9/11 though, nothing in Shanksville, nothing at the Pentagon.. Why is that?
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Right back at you and anyone who stands on the same side of the fence you are on... Anyone who has a High-School diploma and did even the most basic of physics can see for themselves that the evidence provided by the 9/11 Comission, and regurgitated by the mindless patriotic drones, is nonsense.
Yet noted and credentialed Engineers all over the country have no problem with the conclusions, nor does main stream scientists. If the report was the "Bull Shit" CT'ers claim it is, there would be at least 50% of the millions of scientists and engineers in the world saying it is. There are plenty of countries, people in power, organizations, etc. with much to gain if something like that was real. But it is not real. That's the fact.
The people who do however, those several thousand who "question it" represent less than 1% of the total scientists an engineers in the world... ...Crackpots, similar to the flat earth society, where as you will always have fringe wacky groups in any field. Not to mention that CT'er arguments are based on association fallacies, false premises and rhetoric, while the conclusions from the official reports are based on science and those conclusions are backed by scientists from places like Purdue, Northwestern, MIT, etc. who also have provided their own analysis and reports backing them.
If you look at nearly any Truthers arguments they don't stand up to critical thinking or inspection. On this thread i have exposed them easily: "Fell on its footprint" --visual evidence shows damage to surrounding buildings, no evidence of demolish... ...stacks of evidence supporting official conclusions. "Lack of debris" --visual evidence of other crashes showing lack of debris, similar incidents of planes hitting buildings and practically vaporizing, etc.
Yet, you CT'ers still deny these things when they as plain as the nose your face, even accusing me of lying and then digressing into name calling breaking the sort of truce we had to promote productive debate.
This leads me to think that CT'ers have a sort of mental disease, a cognitive dissonance, or a denial of reality founded in paranoia with issues of low self esteem producing people who are easily swayed by propaganda laced BS, just as if they are the "sheeple" component of the main stream opposition.
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Oslo...The visual evidence points to the fact the official story is totall bullshit...Anybody can see that, you choose not to.. You cannot suspend the laws of physics plain and simple... There is so much wrong with that day... You refute nothing, you just say the evidence proves the official story is correct, which it actually does the exact opposite. Guess what they found from the Egypt Air crash? Debris, body parts, plane parts...wow, crazy isn't it? On 9/11 though, nothing in Shanksville, nothing at the Pentagon.. Why is that?
Which exactly is bullshit?
People have claimed footprint, I have shown conclusively that they didn't fall on their foot print.
As far debris, i have also provided pics from other crashes with little debris.
and then there is just plain and simple logic as it relates to science and physics:
The damage left over form a plane when it crashes is determined by many variables: Speed, type of plane, fuel, what it hit etc.
You bringing up the Egypt flight is another association fallacy.
I would love for our government to get exposed for something like this. i believe our government is corrupt and has done evil shit in its history. If something like this was exposed we would have a real chance to change things for the better and have a real representative government. What we have now is a type of corporate controlled oligarchy.
But there just isn't anything tangible, real or credible that points to 9/11 happening the way CT'ers say it did.
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Take a wild guess. Fact is the 9/11 commission wanted Bush and Cheney to testify separately. Cheney said they wouldn't and would only testify together and Bush enacted an order to permanently seal the testimony. Something only done something like twice in US history.
That's the claim, but then it didn't happen.
Btw, there's no real record of what Cheney (and Bush) said as there wasn't so much as a stenographer allowed to be present. They refused to be under oath, as well. There may have been some note-taking, but I can't imagine anyone now alive will ever see whether that's true.
The 9/11 Commission was largely a joke, and their report can be viewed as something similar to fiction.
But more than anything else, I'd like to know if someone can produce a reason why Cheney was going through the motion of giving orders, other than to allow for a stand-down effect.
???
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1. 47 story WTC 7 collapse under 7 seconds. It was not hit by a plane.
2. BBC Reporter reported the collapse of WTC 7 20 min before it happened.
3. 2300 Architects & Engineers support a new 9/11 invetigation. AEtruth.org.
4. Hundred of witness testimony to MOLTEN STEEL. Nano thermite was found in the WTC dust.
5. Hundred of witness testimony of BOMBS and/or Explosions.
6. Dick Cheney was in command of NORAD on 9/11 and failed to intercept any of the four flaights.
7.The FBI confiscated 85 videos from around the Pentagon. No clear footage.
8. Osama Bin Laden was NOT wanted by the FBI for the 9/11 attacks. Was reported dead in
December 2001.
9. 5 dancing Israeli's were arrested on 9/11 in Urban Moving System truck bombs.
10. 9/11 Commissioners claim the report was "Setup for fail"
11. The Project for a New America Century(PNAC) requested "a new Peal Harbor" on September of
2000.
12. On September 10th 2001 Rumsfeld reported $2.3 TRILLION unaccounted for at the Pentagon.
13. Securacom (Marvin Bush) and Kroll was in charge of security at the WTC.
14. "Flight 93" debris was spread over miles."No bodies" and "Not a drop of blood"
15. Towers were built to withstand impact of Boeing jets.
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Fires has never -prior and after 9/11- caused any steel frame building to collapse.
The WTC steel was quickly shipped overseas and melted down. This was an unprecedented violation of Federal Crime Scene Laws.
Whenever contact is lost with any airplane, fighter jets routinely take to the air to investigate. This commonly occurs about 100 times per year in well under 20 Minutes. But on 9/11 nearly two hours passed without any interception.
Unidentified insiders made millions on the stock of American and United Airlines and those of other corporations that were likewise impacted by the attacks. These "Put Options" bets were made just prior to 9/11.
The Bush Administration resisted the formation of the 9/11 Commission for 441 days. Similar Investigation, such as those for Pearl Harbor, The JFK Assassination, and The Space Shuttle Disasters, all started in about a week.
Between March of 2001 and May 2001, members of the Bush Administration discussed creating a "Casus Belli" for war with Iraq. According to Merram-Webster, a "Casus Belli" is "An Event Or Action That Justifies Or Allegedly Justifies A War Or Conflict"
2.5 Terabytes of information regarding possible dangers was destroyed in April/May 2000.
The CIA destroyed all interrogation tapes and evidence that would be of public interest.
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Quote from: El Diablo Blanco on 20-05-2016, 02:46:00
Take a wild guess. Fact is the 9/11 commission wanted Bush and Cheney to testify separately. Cheney said they wouldn't and would only testify together and Bush enacted an order to permanently seal the testimony. Something only done something like twice in US history.
That's the claim, but then it didn't happen.
Btw, there's no real record of what Cheney (and Bush) said as there wasn't so much as a stenographer allowed to be present. They refused to be under oath, as well. There may have been some note-taking, but I can't imagine anyone now alive will ever see whether that's true.
The 9/11 Commission was largely a joke, and their report can be viewed as something similar to fiction.
But more than anything else, I'd like to know if someone can produce a reason why Cheney was going through the motion of giving orders, other than to allow for a stand-down effect.
???
And The 'Official Story' Proponnents Find This Acceptable
& Conducive To The Truth Being Told. ::)
Let them not question any of the very strange coincidental Happenings
On that Day.
All Totally Believable That So Many Odd Events Occour.
Who are We to Dare To Not Believe & Even Be So Bold As to Question.
Ha, Where are they .
Them villages are Missing Their Idiots.
Oh And I Have A Bridge For Sale.
Hardly used & Ready to Ship.
Ha ha.. Idiot.
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1.Yet noted and credentialed Engineers all over the country have no problem with the conclusions, nor does main stream scientists. If the report was the "Bull Shit" CT'ers claim it is, there would be at least 50% of the millions of scientists and engineers in the world saying it is. There are plenty of countries, people in power, organizations, etc. with much to gain if something like that was real. But it is not real. That's the fact.
2.The people who do however, those several thousand who "question it" represent less than 1% of the total scientists an engineers in the world... ...Crackpots, similar to the flat earth society, where as you will always have fringe wacky groups in any field. Not to mention that CT'er arguments are based on association fallacies, false premises and rhetoric, while the conclusions from the official reports are based on science and those conclusions are backed by scientists from places like Purdue, Northwestern, MIT, etc. who also have provided their own analysis and reports backing them.
3.If you look at nearly any Truthers arguments they don't stand up to critical thinking or inspection. On this thread i have exposed them easily: "Fell on its footprint" --visual evidence shows damage to surrounding buildings, no evidence of demolish... ...stacks of evidence supporting official conclusions. "Lack of debris" --visual evidence of other crashes showing lack of debris, similar incidents of planes hitting buildings and practically vaporizing, etc.
4.Yet, you CT'ers still deny these things when they as plain as the nose your face, even accusing me of lying and then digressing into name calling breaking the sort of truce we had to promote productive debate.
5.This leads me to think that CT'ers have a sort of mental disease, a cognitive dissonance, or a denial of reality founded in paranoia with issues of low self esteem producing people who are easily swayed by propaganda laced BS, just as if they are the "sheeple" component of the main stream opposition.
1. Here we go gain with you lying. I said it before and I said it now, present studies from professors that do not receive grant money from the Government and his work has been peer reviewed that supports the official version of the Government on 9/11. The events of that day are NOT main stream science as of 2016. Every body that have seen the evidence has concluded that the Government is not telling the truth. Polls all over the USA have an 80% in favor of such opinion and will like to have a criminal investigation open again. FACTS.
2. Again lying Ozmo showing his true colors with rhetoric which has nothing to do with 9/11, everybody who has been presented with the facts on 9/11 has resoundingly responded that the Government has not told them the Truth on 9/11. All intelligence agencies in Europe have come to the same conclusion that 9/11 was an inside Job and the Government covered it.
3. Here you go with the name calling when yourself are a Government CT's who believes the official story which is not back up by FACTS on that day. I have exposed you too easily the lies that you keep posting here and are easily debunked with photographic evidence through out the internet and easily to be researched and debunk all your claims. Like "Fell on its footprint" --visual evidence show damage to surrounding building from debris from the Twin towers and not WTC 7 like you claim. Lack of evidence of demolition because it was never investigated to begin with, ets, etc.
4. Here you go name calling and spreading a rhetoric base on false premises and physics not supported by any prestigious university or professional not paid by the Government. Showing your true colors when ignoring facts of that day and the events that it unleashed. Like the "Patioc Act", PNAC, Wars in the Middle East, etc, etc.
5. After 60 pages everybody in this thread sees your lies and what you are: a Disinformation Agent, HASBARA, with daddy issues and indication of low self esteem, needs the Government to reaffirm his importance and existence and has sold himself on a bunch of lies, has a cognitive dissonance of reality and does not understand the events this country is going through still today because of 9/11.
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THIS IS THE FINAL LIST OF VIDEOS PRESENTING ALL THE FACTS, EXPLAINS AND UNCOVERS 9/11. WATCH THEM, FOLLOW THE LINK WITHIN THEM, READ THE INFORMATION. BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT.
September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL)
PRESENTS FACTS ON 9/11
9/11 - Loose Change: Final Cut FULL VERSION
PRSENTS FACTS WITH A LOT OF TESTIMONY FROM PEOPLE THAT WERE ON GROUND ZERO ON 9/11
9-11 Psy Opera
PRESENT FACTS KNOWN IN PRIOR 2 VIDEOS BUT PRESENT NEW EVIDENCE WHICH WILL SUPPORT THE NEXT VIDEO.
Dimitri Khalezov - WTC Nuclear Demolition
BOMSHELL THEORY WHICH EXPLAINS THE DISINTAGRATION OF THE TWIN TOWER.
911-Conspiracy Finally Solved!: Names, Connections, Motives, 911Matrix of Details Exposed!
WHO WAS BEHIND ON THE AMERICAN SIDE, CIA AND GOVERNMENT CONNECTIONS.
Christopher Bollyn - Solving 9-11 Ends the War
WHO WAS BEHIND ON THE ISRAEL SIDE, NEOCONS AND ZIONISM BEHIND 9/11.
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THIS WILL SHOCK YOU TO YOUR CORE: 9/11 From Cheney to Mossad
9/11 BOMBSHELL: METHODICAL DECEPTION -- Rebekah Roth
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Great work guys, you have nearly cracked the case!
Keep it up!
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Other Skyscraper Fires
Fires Have Never Caused Skyscrapers to Collapse
Excepting the three 9-11 collapses, no fire, however severe, has ever caused a steel-framed high-rise building to collapse. Following are examples of high-rise fires that were far more severe than those in WTC 1 and 2, and Building 7. In these precedents, the fires consumed multiple floors, produced extensive window breakage, exhibited large areas of emergent flames, and went on for several hours. The fires in the WTC towers did none of these things.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/fires.html
9/11 - Anatomy of a Great Deception
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Couple things I've noticed about the producers of 9/11 material, is that they seem to want to blend a fact here and there with utterly incredible fiction, and that they all seem to be at "war" with one another.
Looks like a combination meant to discredit the whole idea and to divide the people looking at it.
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Couple things I've noticed about the producers of 9/11 material, is that they seem to want to blend a fact here and there with utterly incredible fiction, and that they all seem to be at "war" with one another.
Looks like a combination meant to discredit the whole idea and to divide the people looking at it.
I saw a video link from Wiggs flat earth video that linked WWE's Vince McMahon and Ted Turner to 9/11.
There doesn't seem to be any limitations to the conspiracy theorists ideas of who is behind 9/11.
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I saw a video link from Wiggs flat earth video that linked WWE's Vince McMahon and Ted Turner to 9/11.
There doesn't seem to be any limitations to the conspiracy theorists ideas of who is behind 9/11.
I think practically all of the 9/11-conspiracy production is meant to quickly turn-away reasonable people. And there is a giant wall of it.
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You know, I'd say it is the MSM version of "conspiracy" just like the political sites are their version of "politics".
People think they're getting something independent of that, but no way in hell would it be so easily found and prominent as it is.
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Lmao this would have made a good story, but the funding site shut it down.
Business Man Wants To 'Prove Theories Right or Wrong'
An American-born businessman wants to raise £1m to stage a bizarre recreation of the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Centre in New York.
Paul Salo, who now lives in Thailand, has said he wants to purchase a 'Boeing 747' and smash it into the side of an empty building in the countryside at 500mph.
He describes it as an 'important project' to prove conspiracy theories about the terror atrocities 'once and for all'.
Mr Salo is hoping to crowdfund the event and is selling 'front-row seats' to the outlandish spectacle in Thailand for $5000 each (£3,500).
In a video promoting the 'reconstruction', he said: "If you doubt anything about 9/11 we want to blast this to smithereens or we want to prove you completely right.
"We're going to purchase a 747 or equivalent aircraft that's about to go out of service, we're going to fill it full of jet fuel, we're going to purchase a building that's about to be torn down in the countryside... and we're going to crash it at 500 miles per hour into that building."
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Can we all agree that the Titanic was taken down by a German U-Boat?
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1. Here we go gain with you lying. I said it before and I said it now, present studies from professors that do not receive grant money from the Government and his work has been peer reviewed that supports the official version of the Government on 9/11. The events of that day are NOT main stream science as of 2016. Every body that have seen the evidence has concluded that the Government is not telling the truth. Polls all over the USA have an 80% in favor of such opinion and will like to have a criminal investigation open again. FACTS.
2. Again lying Ozmo showing his true colors with rhetoric which has nothing to do with 9/11, everybody who has been presented with the facts on 9/11 has resoundingly responded that the Government has not told them the Truth on 9/11. All intelligence agencies in Europe have come to the same conclusion that 9/11 was an inside Job and the Government covered it.
3. Here you go with the name calling when yourself are a Government CT's who believes the official story which is not back up by FACTS on that day. I have exposed you too easily the lies that you keep posting here and are easily debunked with photographic evidence through out the internet and easily to be researched and debunk all your claims. Like "Fell on its footprint" --visual evidence show damage to surrounding building from debris from the Twin towers and not WTC 7 like you claim. Lack of evidence of demolition because it was never investigated to begin with, ets, etc.
4. Here you go name calling and spreading a rhetoric base on false premises and physics not supported by any prestigious university or professional not paid by the Government. Showing your true colors when ignoring facts of that day and the events that it unleashed. Like the "Patioc Act", PNAC, Wars in the Middle East, etc, etc.
5. After 60 pages everybody in this thread sees your lies and what you are: a Disinformation Agent, HASBARA, with daddy issues and indication of low self esteem, needs the Government to reaffirm his importance and existence and has sold himself on a bunch of lies, has a cognitive dissonance of reality and does not understand the events this country is going through still today because of 9/11.
So says the guy who suggests the WTC's were nuked. That says enough about you.
Everything you have posted that I have addressed has been destroyed and shown to be invalid, with pics, logic, and links. You cannot post up one thing that has a good argument. NOT ONE.
You are a classic paranoid who thinks the world is some grand conspiracy while the rest of the world laughs at you.
So much so, that in the process you resorted to calling me a liar. That's the biggest sign of a weak argument. ROTFLMAO!
You have shown a bronzed age level of intellect and understanding of the most basic things.
You have shown yourself to be intellectually dishonest.
You also have demonstrated that you can't follow through on what we agreed.
I don't give a shit what the rest of the CT'er brigade here thinks. They have yet to provide a good argument about anything, and just like you once they are backed into a corner a bit they run and jump.
So keep posting, no one cares, no one of any credibility believes in the truther's movement except crackpot and bronze age wanna be's like that ass hat teenager and that loony Russian hack.
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1. 47 story WTC 7 collapse under 7 seconds. It was not hit by a plane.
One of the only things on the list they really got right!
2. BBC Reporter reported the collapse of WTC 7 20 min before it happened.
While true not significant as common sense tells you if the building was going to fall anyway whats the point of informing the news station early. News stations mis-report things sometimes.
3. 2300 Architects & Engineers support a new 9/11 invetigation. AEtruth.org.
2300 crack pots, just like the flat earth society. 2300, less that 1% of the worlds architects and engineers. Probably less than .1% of them.
4. Hundred of witness testimony to MOLTEN STEEL. Nano thermite was found in the WTC dust.
Nano thermite shown not to do that job and the "dust" samples not verified. Also Molten metal explained.
5. Hundred of witness testimony of BOMBS and/or Explosions.
Yep lots of things in the building heating up and exploding.
6. Dick Cheney was in command of NORAD on 9/11 and failed to intercept any of the four flaights.
Not true. The vast majority of CT'ers don't even know who the Air defense system worked that day and why is was beaten.
7.The FBI confiscated 85 videos from around the Pentagon. No clear footage.
Because there wasn't clear footage to begin with.
8. Osama Bin Laden was NOT wanted by the FBI for the 9/11 attacks. Was reported dead in
December 2001.
Never heard this one. but so what.
9. 5 dancing Israeli's were arrested on 9/11 in Urban Moving System truck bombs.
Never heard this one. but so what.
10. 9/11 Commissioners claim the report was "Setup for fail"
Never heard this one, but chances are not true or taken out of context.
11. The Project for a New America Century(PNAC) requested "a new Peal Harbor" on September of
2000.
So what. There are all sorts of crazy requests and plans that float around government agencies and military. there are contingency plans for nearly everything.
12. On September 10th 2001 Rumsfeld reported $2.3 TRILLION unaccounted for at the Pentagon.
So what. What else was going on September 10th that's classified that we don't know about yet? And the military has been playing creative accounting for years. nothing new.
13. Securacom (Marvin Bush) and Kroll was in charge of security at the WTC.
If its even true, (which i doubt is the whole story and likely CT'ers having to embellish the truth to make their "evidence" seems more impacting) so what. (without direct evidence its only remotely circumstantial)
14. "Flight 93" debris was spread over miles."No bodies" and "Not a drop of blood"
How do we know this? just curious. :D
15. Towers were built to withstand impact of Boeing jets.
The fuel load of the aircraft wasn't considered in the design. This is a great example of the intellectual dishonesty of CT'ers.
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One of the only things on the list they really got right!
OK
While true not significant as common sense tells you if the building was going to fall anyway whats the point of informing the news station early. News stations mis-report things sometimes.
The building was going to fall anyway? How did they know this? Is there some sort of internal computer system giving a count down to the collapse? Were there engineers with hard hats all over the flaming
building inspecting it and assessing that a collapse was imminent?
2300 crack pots, just like the flat earth society. 2300, less that 1% of the worlds architects and engineers. Probably less than .1% of them.
Of course the easy way out is to discredit people who are far more intelligent than you. University professors know less than you
Nano thermite shown not to do that job and the "dust" samples not verified. Also Molten metal explained.
Dust samples were examined, and thermitic materials were found
http://www.globalresearch.ca/active-thermitic-material-discovered-in-dust-from-the-9-11-world-trade-center-catastrophe/13049 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/active-thermitic-material-discovered-in-dust-from-the-9-11-world-trade-center-catastrophe/13049)
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html (http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html)
Yep lots of things in the building heating up and exploding.
WTC was a class 1A building, it was forbidden to have anything explosive or flammable in there. WTC was known to exceed the
regulations for fire safety imposed by the city. I'm not sure what "things" heated up and exploded in the building, other than devices in aiding to collapse the towers.
Not true. The vast majority of CT'ers don't even know who the Air defense system worked that day and why is was beaten.
NORAD fighter jets for the northeastern USA were assembled in Canada for war-games, that coincidentally mimiced intercepting
hijacked passenger planes By the time NORAD was informed of the attacks, they were not clear as to if the request was real world or exercise.
Because there wasn't clear footage to begin with.
holy fuck that's a good one!
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Never heard this one. but so what.
That's pretty significant since they blamed HIM for the attacks, and began a war (still currently happening) based on this accusation.
Never heard this one. but so what.
Never heard this one, but chances are not true or taken out of context.
When people who worked on this report (who are out to find the truth and lay out the facts) say that it was underfunded and set up to
fail, it's a sign that they did not want this thing to be thorough. Says a lot about having the story straight on the greatest attack on amercian soil ever.
So what. There are all sorts of crazy requests and plans that float around government agencies and military. there are contingency plans for nearly everything.
Contingency plan? it's not a contingency plan when you're trying to stage, or encourage an attack for benefit of swaying public perception and go to war.
So what. What else was going on September 10th that's classified that we don't know about yet? And the military has been playing creative accounting for years. nothing new.
It's not classified, Rumsfeld said this on Television. Nobody asked about it after that...
If its even true, (which i doubt is the whole story and likely CT'ers having to embellish the truth to make their "evidence" seems more impacting) so what. (without direct evidence its only remotely circumstantial)
How do we know this? just curious. :D
Even if we disregard who was in charge of security, it's a known fact that the towers security systems were shut down for the entire weekend before the attacks. Both towers 1 and 2 were
in a blackout and people who work in the towers have confirmed this repeatedly. Not to mention bomb sniffing dogs were removed in the weeks before the attacks, and for extended periods of
time, select floors were blocked off with no access (stairs or elevators) and employees working below these floors reported very loud construction work, sawing, hammering, drilling
How do we know this? just curious.
Because the official coroner said so. There was never a drop of blood, a bone or a shred of clothing or luggage to examine. IT was all over the news that they found "debris" many miles away that was supposedly
blown by the wind.
(http://www.renewamerica.com/images/columns/kovach051012b.gif)
The fuel load of the aircraft wasn't considered in the design. This is a great example of the intellectual dishonesty of CT'ers.
Fuel load was burned up mostly in the impact. The entire building had asbestos lining in the pipes, and all over steel framing. Asbestos is as effective
in being fire retardant, as it is toxic to humans, which is VERY effective.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
The Man Who Declared Having Studied 9/11 for 9-10 years and been debunking CT's for another 9 years.
What a Goverment Dick Rider Shill!!!
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According To Him Everything that Happened on 9/11: "So What, Coincidence"
Ozmo "The Legend On His Own Mind"
That's what you have been doing this whole time: Getting Exposed!!!
Man up & shut da fuck up!!!
All you been doing is getting:
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The building was going to fall anyway? How did they know this? Is there some sort of internal computer system giving a count down to the collapse? Were there engineers with hard hats all over the flaming
building inspecting it and assessing that a collapse was imminent?
No one knew that's the point. It was mistaken report by BBC. Its a non issue because "if" they were going to demolish it anyway there would be no need to give BBC the report.
Of course the easy way out is to discredit people who are far more intelligent than you. University professors know less than you
No, its common sense and reality. The 99.9% of architects and engineers are saying so. Main stream science is saying so. In every field of science there are crack pots with degrees. The fact that not one good argument has been made by these crackpots that can be argued in a court to cause a motion to open a case has been made says it all. There is nothing tangible they have argued in 15 years. You don't need to be smart to figure this out.
Dust samples were examined, and thermitic materials were found
http://www.globalresearch.ca/active-thermitic-material-discovered-in-dust-from-the-9-11-world-trade-center-catastrophe/13049
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html
No what they found was iron micro spheres as evidence of thermite and those are present in WTC becuase Iron Micro-spheres form from condensed vaporized iron or from molten iron. You can melt iron by igniting it with a Bic lighter, if the pieces of iron are thin enough. There are several other sources of iron microspheres. Iron microspheres were expected in the WTC dust
WTC was a class 1A building, it was forbidden to have anything explosive or flammable in there. WTC was known to exceed the
regulations for fire safety imposed by the city. I'm not sure what "things" heated up and exploded in the building, other than devices in aiding to collapse the towers.
You have never seen a building burn. Things explode causing a loud pop that is common mistaken for a bomb going off. Such as: Hot water heater, Food storage containers with spoiled food, Light bulb, soda or beer bottles (i have done this camping, very loud), any C02 spray can, fire extinguishers, Boilers, cathode ray tubes (computer monitors) etc.
NORAD fighter jets for the northeastern USA were assembled in Canada for war-games, that coincidentally mimiced intercepting
hijacked passenger planes By the time NORAD was informed of the attacks, they were not clear as to if the request was real world or exercise.
How this whole thing transpired and why our air defense system was compromised is very complex.
holy fuck that's a good one!
What do you think was the resolution, frame rate and focal point of those cameras? That's why. Video isn't needed to prove a plane hit the pentagon.
That's pretty significant since they blamed HIM for the attacks, and began a war (still currently happening) based on this accusation.
Not in the context of the debate of whether or not the Pentagon was hit by a missile or the WTC were demolished.
When people who worked on this report (who are out to find the truth and lay out the facts) say that it was underfunded and set up to
fail, it's a sign that they did not want this thing to be thorough. Says a lot about having the story straight on the greatest attack on amercian soil ever.
I don't deny the possibility of some people being underfunded, but i do question whether it was for truther reasons. however there have been many other people in universities who have done their own analysis and provided their conclusions from MIT, Northwestern, purdue, etc. The problem here for truthers is that nothing tangible has ever been found.
Contingency plan? it's not a contingency plan when you're trying to stage, or encourage an attack for benefit of swaying public perception and go to war.
Contingent what ever would cause the need for this plan. Just because some loony tune made a plan like this and his co-horts who are also probably loony neo cons fell in line with it doesn't mean the Government commit the act. Point is there are plans for everything.
It's not classified, Rumsfeld said this on Television. Nobody asked about it after that...
I know its not classified, you don't think military does shit like this all the time?
Even if we disregard who was in charge of security, it's a known fact that the towers security systems were shut down for the entire weekend before the attacks. Both towers 1 and 2 were
in a blackout and people who work in the towers have confirmed this repeatedly. Not to mention bomb sniffing dogs were removed in the weeks before the attacks, and for extended periods of
time, select floors were blocked off with no access (stairs or elevators) and employees working below these floors reported very loud construction work, sawing, hammering, drilling
Not true, but enough to embellish that story the way you laid it out. They were receiving bomb threats prior to 9/11 and after a couple of weeks of bomb sniffing dogs combing the Building they were removed.
http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_bomb_sniffing_dogs.html (http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_bomb_sniffing_dogs.html)
And there were at least this dog there: http://www.novareinna.com/bridge/sirius.html (http://www.novareinna.com/bridge/sirius.html)
the tower in Blackout on WTC 2 above floor 50 on 9/8-9 for a cabling upgrade by IT.
(http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/wtc_ticket2.jpg)
Because the official coroner said so. There was never a drop of blood, a bone or a shred of clothing or luggage to examine. IT was all over the news that they found "debris" many miles away that was supposedly
blown by the wind.
I am curious about this, maybe you have a link?
Fuel load was burned up mostly in the impact. The entire building had asbestos lining in the pipes, and all over steel framing. Asbestos is as effective
in being fire retardant, as it is toxic to humans, which is VERY effective.
the people who designed the building said they didn't take into account fuel load. "Leslie Robertson, one of the chief engineers working on the design of the World Trade Center, has since said he personally considered the scenario of the impact of a Boeing 707 or another jet airliner, which might be lost in the fog and flying at relatively low speeds while seeking to land at JFK Airport or Newark Airport. However, in an interview with the BBC, Robertson states, "with the 707, the fuel load was not considered in the design, I don't know how it could have been considered."[10][11]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center#/media/File:World_Trade_Center_9-11_Attacks_Illustration_with_Vertical_Impact_Locations.svg
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Shanksville Coroner: No Bodies Found at 9/11 'Crash' Site
Wallace Miller is the coroner of Somerset County, Pennsylvania. He was among the first people to arrive at the alleged Flight 93 crash site on the morning of 9/11.
He later recounted to the Washington Post what he’d seen when he first got there:
“I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there. It became like a giant funeral service.” (Peter Perl, “Hallowed Ground,” Washington Post, 5/12/2002)
Since there were 44 people on board Flight 93, a crash site with “no bodies” makes no sense. Where were the victims? Something appears to have been seriously wrong. Yet Miller now seems to dispute his earlier claim.
In the recent BBC documentary 9/11: The Conspiracy Files, he explained:
“I said that I stopped being a coroner after about 20 minutes because it was perfectly clear what the cause and manner of death was gonna be.
"This is the most eerie thing. I have not, to this day, seen a single drop of blood. Not a drop."
It was a plane crash but yet it was a homicide because the terrorists hijacked the plane and killed the people, and the terrorists committed suicide.
http://humansarefree.com/2015/03/shanksville-coroner-no-bodies-found-at.html
Wallace E Miller Wally Miller Original 9/11 Interviews
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???
More classic CT'er dishonesty
typical ignorant ass hat teenager. And very typical of most Truthers, to take things out of context.
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He recanted his story because to him it was clear the terrorists killed the passenger. What? ???
How that fuck could he come to that conclusion if he did not see a drop of blood? Other than been told the story to which he had adhere to. Does that video makes sense to you now?
Do you get how he's lying and how easy he got exposed?
Kinda like how we are exposing you.
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He recanted his story because to him it was clear the terrorists killed the passenger. What? ???
How that fuck would he could come to that conclusion if he did not see a drop of blood? Other than been told the story to which he had adhere to. Does that video makes sense to you now?
Do you get how he's lying and how easy he got exposed?
Kinda like how we are exposing you.
we?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFlj446UEAAwerW.jpg)
HASHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH
the grand conspiracy!!!!!!!!!!
ROTFLMAO!
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Shanksville Coroner: No Bodies Found at 9/11 'Crash' Site
Wallace Miller is the coroner of Somerset County, Pennsylvania. He was among the first people to arrive at the alleged Flight 93 crash site on the morning of 9/11.
He later recounted to the Washington Post what he’d seen when he first got there:
“I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there. It became like a giant funeral service.” (Peter Perl, “Hallowed Ground,” Washington Post, 5/12/2002)
Since there were 44 people on board Flight 93, a crash site with “no bodies” makes no sense. Where were the victims? Something appears to have been seriously wrong. Yet Miller now seems to dispute his earlier claim.
In the recent BBC documentary 9/11: The Conspiracy Files, he explained:
“I said that I stopped being a coroner after about 20 minutes because it was perfectly clear what the cause and manner of death was gonna be.
"This is the most eerie thing. I have not, to this day, seen a single drop of blood. Not a drop."
It was a plane crash but yet it was a homicide because the terrorists hijacked the plane and killed the people, and the terrorists committed suicide.
http://humansarefree.com/2015/03/shanksville-coroner-no-bodies-found-at.html
Wallace E Miller Wally Miller Original 9/11 Interviews
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
The Man Who Declared Having Studied 9/11 for 9-10 years and been debunking CT's for another 9 years.
What a Goverment Dick Rider Shill!!!
(http://www.billboard.com/files/styles/article_main_image/public/media/miley-cyrus-g-a-y-2014-billboard-650.jpg)
According To Him Everything that Happened on 9/11: "So What, Coincidence"
Ozmo "The Legend On His Own Mind"
That's what you have been doing this whole time: Getting Exposed!!!
Man up & shut da fuck up!!!
All you been doing is getting:
(http://www.buymarsproperty.com/owned/tazer_owned.jpg)
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9/11 - Flight 93 Was, in fact, Shot Down?
When things doesn't add up.
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No one knew that's the point. It was mistaken report by BBC. Its a non issue because "if" they were going to demolish it anyway there would be no need to give BBC the report.
No, its common sense and reality. The 99.9% of architects and engineers are saying so. Main stream science is saying so. In every field of science there are crack pots with degrees. The fact that not one good argument has been made by these crackpots that can be argued in a court to cause a motion to open a case has been made says it all. There is nothing tangible they have argued in 15 years. You don't need to be smart to figure this out.
No what they found was iron micro spheres as evidence of thermite and those are present in WTC becuase Iron Micro-spheres form from condensed vaporized iron or from molten iron. You can melt iron by igniting it with a Bic lighter, if the pieces of iron are thin enough. There are several other sources of iron microspheres. Iron microspheres were expected in the WTC dust
You have never seen a building burn. Things explode causing a loud pop that is common mistaken for a bomb going off. Such as: Hot water heater, Food storage containers with spoiled food, Light bulb, soda or beer bottles (i have done this camping, very loud), any C02 spray can, fire extinguishers, Boilers, cathode ray tubes (computer monitors) etc.
How this whole thing transpired and why our air defense system was compromised is very complex.
What do you think was the resolution, frame rate and focal point of those cameras? That's why. Video isn't needed to prove a plane hit the pentagon.
Not in the context of the debate of whether or not the Pentagon was hit by a missile or the WTC were demolished.
I don't deny the possibility of some people being underfunded, but i do question whether it was for truther reasons. however there have been many other people in universities who have done their own analysis and provided their conclusions from MIT, Northwestern, purdue, etc. The problem here for truthers is that nothing tangible has ever been found.
Contingent what ever would cause the need for this plan. Just because some loony tune made a plan like this and his co-horts who are also probably loony neo cons fell in line with it doesn't mean the Government commit the act. Point is there are plans for everything.
I know its not classified, you don't think military does shit like this all the time?
Not true, but enough to embellish that story the way you laid it out. They were receiving bomb threats prior to 9/11 and after a couple of weeks of bomb sniffing dogs combing the Building they were removed.
http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_bomb_sniffing_dogs.html (http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_bomb_sniffing_dogs.html)
And there were at least this dog there: http://www.novareinna.com/bridge/sirius.html (http://www.novareinna.com/bridge/sirius.html)
the tower in Blackout on WTC 2 above floor 50 on 9/8-9 for a cabling upgrade by IT.
(http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/wtc_ticket2.jpg)
I am curious about this, maybe you have a link?
the people who designed the building said they didn't take into account fuel load. "Leslie Robertson, one of the chief engineers working on the design of the World Trade Center, has since said he personally considered the scenario of the impact of a Boeing 707 or another jet airliner, which might be lost in the fog and flying at relatively low speeds while seeking to land at JFK Airport or Newark Airport. However, in an interview with the BBC, Robertson states, "with the 707, the fuel load was not considered in the design, I don't know how it could have been considered."[10][11]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center)
http://humansarefree.com/2015/03/shanksville-coroner-no-bodies-found-at.html (http://humansarefree.com/2015/03/shanksville-coroner-no-bodies-found-at.html)
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http://humansarefree.com/2015/03/shanksville-coroner-no-bodies-found-at.html (http://humansarefree.com/2015/03/shanksville-coroner-no-bodies-found-at.html)
He put his remarks back into context here.
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Faye Hahn, an EMT, responded to the first reports of the crash. She says: “Several trees were burned badly and there were papers everywhere. We searched. … I was told that there were 224 passengers, but later found out that there were actually forty. I was stunned. There was nothing there.” (David McCall, From Tragedy to Triumph, 2002, pp. 31-32)
Despite this absence of human remains at the Flight 93 crash scene, the Washington Post reported:
“The 33 passengers, seven crew and four hijackers together weighed roughly 7,000 pounds. … Hundreds of searchers who climbed the hemlocks and combed the woods for weeks [after 9/11] were able to find about 1,500 mostly scorched samples of human tissue totaling less than 600 pounds, or about 8 percent of the total.” (Peter Perl, “Hallowed Ground,” Washington Post, 5/12/2002)
By December 19, 2001, “the remains of the 40 passengers and crew, and, by process of elimination, the four hijackers” had all been identified. (Steve Levin, “Flight 93 victims’ effects to go back to families,” Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 12/30/2001)
http://humansarefree.com/2015/03/shanksville-coroner-no-bodies-found-at.html
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Just came across this video which could explain the pentagon as well:
9/11: How the Shanksville crater was made
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Agm-158_JASSM.jpg)
:o
The AGM-158 JASSM (Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile) is a low observable standoff air-launched cruise missile developed in the United States. It is a large, semi-stealthy long-range weapon of the 2,000 pounds (910 kg) class. The missile's development began in 1995, but a number of problems during testing delayed its introduction into service until 2009. As of 2014, the JASSM has entered foreign service in Australia and Finland, and been ordered by Poland. An extended range version of the missile, the AGM-158B JASSM-ER (Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile-Extended Range), entered service in 2014.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-158_JASSM
The JASSM is a conventionally armed, low observable cruise missile designed to destroy the enemy's high-value targets from aircraft that can be launched from outside the area defenses. The missile has automatic target recognition, autonomous guidance, precision accuracy, and a J-1000 warhead optimized for penetration and carrying a new high-yield explosive. These characteristics give JASSM capabilities against heavily defended hard targets such as aircraft shelters and underground command posts, as well as soft targets such as rail yards.
http://www.dyess.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet_print.asp?fsID=17954&page=1
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(http://www.generadormemes.com/media/created/cqbb6y48mmdyrdaoizfhea0tk358jswe8sz0xxzs571h7z7a7g3nq5jgh2cvi64.jpg)
Points for the colossus reference :)
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9/11 Pentagon Reality Check 6: eyewitness Officer WILLIAM LAGASSE
Compare minute 1:16 :o :o minute 1:27 :o :o
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(http://www.generadormemes.com/media/created/cqbb6y48mmdyrdaoizfhea0tk358jswe8sz0xxzs571h7z7a7g3nq5jgh2cvi64.jpg)
Points for the colossus reference :)
(http://thepoliticalstudent.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/constitution.jpg)
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Hey Ropo how much would you charge me for the demolition on the buildings in the picture below, they are in Chicago, and I need it done by Friday on the cheap.
How much to light them up on fires so they would come down into their own footprint? You can damage as many core columns as you wish, but no explosives, ok? I need them to go down as silently as possible. Thank you in advance.
(http://66.media.tumblr.com/190981a646d579548ee7f8e9444af3f3/tumblr_nw8nr2dLYf1s5qhggo6_500.jpg)
(http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/browbeat/2014/04/23/cagelaugh.jpg.CROP.promo-mediumlarge.jpg)
First you need couple of Boeing 767 filled with 20 tons of jet fuel. Then you need couple of suicide pilots who fly the planes to the buildings, and there you go. Every other way to do it take months of preparations by the group of ~50 professionals , tons of explosives and kilometers of detonation cord. Of course all this is common knowledge, which means you don't know it because you are an imbecile.. ;D
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When you can't argue facts misdirect the conversation. Typical Government Dick Rider Shill tactic 102; 101 been: Everything that happened on 9/11: Coincidence.
(http://www.generadormemes.com/media/created/kjoy2dt2e5n6jjlxzpz6m6m425j191rcijerqdmxfa296gny1nmf4r1d0os40yr.jpg)
So when I do once what you do all the time it is somehow bad thing to do? All you ever need to do is prove those explosion in some 9/11 video, and this piece of information is only which is missing from this thread, which is 61 pages long? Every time I ask you to prove it, the answer is just bullshit not even near the subject. I can't argue facts because you don't have any, so what I did was pointing out yet another way to prove you are just an idiot. I didn't do it for you, I did it for other people who read this thread and understand what they read. When it is evident that you are just a moron, they know that you are complete harmless and know how to react your ranting. That's all, little child, so when we will see your evidence about the explosions? Why don't we talk about that, because it is a vital detail which is missing and unproved in your theory? Why don't you want to talk about that? BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL. Simple truth ;D
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He keeps ignoring the steel columns that were cut at perfect angles for the tops to slide off the bottoms
Who me? I don't ignore them, because I know the story about them, and I know that those were cut after the collapse, because it is evident to anyone who have a brains. Just link the photo if you dare, and I explain it to you.
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I've just got to ask. What evidence says those 45-degree cuts weren't done after the fact? It would be rather bold to think the FD wouldn't be going apeshit about it, if those angles appeared that way untouched post-disaster.
None. In fact pictures prove that the cuts were done after the collapse, when they were dismantle the pile of rubbish after the collapse to find bodies. Don't tell anybody, it is a secret, but after the biggest collapse of the history of mankind, those columns which were cut, were complete dustless. After the catastrophe, after bunch of collapsed buildings which covered whole manhattan under the inches of dust, those columns were squeaky-clean. It makes me wonder... ;D
And if I remember correct, there is even a picture with a wider point of view, where you actually see guys doing these cuts, so it is safe to say that the claim is just another piece of foil hat bullshit. They used acetylene torches and thermal lances to do that work, and those lances could be by far the best explanation to the finds of Niels Harrit, because they use similar fuel than so called thermite.
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Shanksville Coroner: No Bodies Found at 9/11 'Crash' Site
Wallace Miller is the coroner of Somerset County, Pennsylvania. He was among the first people to arrive at the alleged Flight 93 crash site on the morning of 9/11.
He later recounted to the Washington Post what he’d seen when he first got there:
“I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there. It became like a giant funeral service.” (Peter Perl, “Hallowed Ground,” Washington Post, 5/12/2002)
Since there were 44 people on board Flight 93, a crash site with “no bodies” makes no sense. Where were the victims? Something appears to have been seriously wrong. Yet Miller now seems to dispute his earlier claim.
In the recent BBC documentary 9/11: The Conspiracy Files, he explained:
“I said that I stopped being a coroner after about 20 minutes because it was perfectly clear what the cause and manner of death was gonna be.
"This is the most eerie thing. I have not, to this day, seen a single drop of blood. Not a drop."
It was a plane crash but yet it was a homicide because the terrorists hijacked the plane and killed the people, and the terrorists committed suicide.
http://humansarefree.com/2015/03/shanksville-coroner-no-bodies-found-at.html
Wallace E Miller Wally Miller Original 9/11 Interviews
A jet slammed into the ground next to my buddies grandparents house back in the 70s and there were several in-tact bodies and even some survivors.
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You guys who are glued to the popular conspiracy shit, should realize that it is designed to keep you from the truth. It's even worse than the conspiracy of the official story, in many ways.
In fact, it is quite serious, because there is a study about the foil hat behavior, and it reveals quite a sad truth: These idiots are by far the dumbest parts of the human race, and they have this in build mechanism which prevents all learning. They factually can adopt only the information which supports their prejudices, so they are literally just morons. You can't do anything to change their point of view, they go through the life without learning anything. In few years there will be study which concludes that it is in fact a mental illness, because there is no way that that level of idiotism would be possible in the normal brains. Hologram aero planes, pulverized steel, invisible explosions, implosions by missile and all that ridiculous crap just proves what kind of morons they are, because up to this day, they have 0 evidence about all that.
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Hey Ozmo serious question:
The 9/11 commision came out with the conclusion on the twin towers faster than WTC 7, just because they got hit by airplanes, right?
It only took the commission 2 years to conclude that 2 of the tallest buildings in the world came down into it's own footprint in seconds because two planes crash into them, but took the goverment 7 years to come out with the final conclusion on WTC 7 because no plane hit the building.
Does this seem normal to you?
What part you didn't understand? They just study facts, not fairytales, so conclusions were simple. That what the evidence proved to happen, happen. Case closed. Only morons try to find other explanations to the things which are proved, and they are called the foil hat morons. Do you know what the "reasonable doubt" means? When it is simplified down to the level of morons, it means just that IF you have the evidence which prove that there is "REASONABLE DOUBT" against the official report, it need to be investigate. Just present me that evidence of yours, which with no doubt at all proves that official investigation was false? Never seen one, and never will see even one. Case closed...
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And does that makes sense to you? You don't see any holes in their statements? Like they tried to search for explanations that would adapt to their theory(The buildings came down due to fire), instead of looking and gathering evidence and then coming up with the theory? I'm been serious here also.
Due to fire, due to airplanes, due to collapsing buildings and why are you talking about evidence while you don't have any? Try to learn the word "counterevidence". You can't prove fuck, there is 61 pages which proves that simple matter, so why all that whining? Why don't you prove there was explosion at the twin towers for starters? Why we never see that happen? Instead that whining, try to explain that?
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Quite honestly I have done with trying to debate / get answers from you,
For the time being.
You were the one making a Bold Statement to another poster Saying You Could Explain / Prove The
Official story Was True.
Yet you clearly cannot, and not just my questions other posters questions also.
The Delusion that you Believe you Have Answered / Explained The questions is indicative of your self righteous State of mind.
As For Calling You A Village Idiot, Yes Me Name calling you, As you so Quickly resort to Name calling every one else, you not so Keen when it is You being called Names.
Truth is I do think of you as an idiot, Though Not Thick or particularly Stupid -- You come across as a Idiot / Fool with your Gradose attitude. And Empty Answers.
As for Your Self Sanctifiying attitude & Answers
You are a Legend in your own Mind.
No Doubt others will entertain dealing with you, they have more patience than me or do it to continually show you up.. That's Just To Easy & Has Lost its Novelty.
Good Day.
Official investigation is proved to be truth, period. There isn't even single evidence which would rise a reasonable doubt against it, because all what foil hats have is lies, rumors and bullshit, ridiculous and all sort of bullshit. Just read the thread from the beginning, or any other conspiracy thread from the another area. All you see is that bullshit, page after page, but not even one evidence. That's why official report remains to be a fact, and foil hats remains to be a morons ;D
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Ok, I can respect your opinion, and that's all good, you have your beliefs, end of story, you keep your attacks to your self and we will keep this civil.
But I would like you to watch this video and put the information in contest with the USA and the Middle East, and give me you personal opinion on it:
Child with the blind faith is talking about the beliefs? Just fuck off, you moron. As I have pointed out time after time, you don't have even a single evidence to prove any of this fairy tale you are believing, while whole official report is based on true life evidence. You can't prove even the explosions which start the "conspiracy", and if something is lame, that is it. Aren't you shame because you can't prove even that? You should be, because it proves that you have a blind faith towards the tale which doesn't include any kind of evidence in it. That is handbook definition of stupidity in its clearest form ;D
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Well back to 9/11:
Aside from showing the clear details of the North Tower's complete pulverization during collapse, this video also clearly displays details of the pulverization of the remaining steel spear visible to the right that was missed by the Tower's top falling downwards and was pulverized under its own pressure a few seconds later (pulverization of the steel spear is clearly seen after the passing by of a truck). This footage leaves no doubt that the steel structure of the Tower was reduced to complete microscopic dust. The pattern of collapse of the heavy and undamaged Tower's top clearly shows that nothing solid remained under it, except for complete, fluffy steel dust.
(http://www.911thology.com/nexus1_files/image100.jpg)
I am lost of words, so just fuck of, you moron. Normally, people who have blown out more than a half of their brains with the 44 magnum, would have enough living brain cells to understand that steel doesn't pulverize in the thin air by any kind of weapon, miracle etc. If USA would have such powers, would there be Russia? North Korea? It is a true shame to walk on same planet than morons like you are.
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Biggest lie to date, lying Ozmo still saying the buildings did not come down into it's own footprint, now me know who's the pot head here.
The only flaw logic is yours, like trying to slander the the guy who wanted to recreate 9/11, the creators of loose change and now this, HAHAHAH, nice try patsy.
(http://cdn.history.com/sites/2/2014/01/aerial-view-of-world-trade-center.jpg) TWIN TOWERS
(http://media.theweek.com/img/generic/Tower1.jpg) TWIN TOWERS
(http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/images/wtc7/wtc7_spraying.jpg) WTC 7
(http://www2.ae911truth.org/images/gallery/wtc7debris.jpg) WTC 7
(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_sociopol/911_3playact58.jpg) WTC 7
(http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/dirt/pics/Image217b.jpg) WTC 7
So their footprint was 14.6-acre? Quite large, while the real footprint was like 1/3 of that..
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My visual evidence beats your lies every time, Fact.
The moment you star lying, the truce is over, trying to slander people left and right like the patsy you are, I'm going to call you out on your bullshit, end of story.
But they did on 9/11. We all see were you are going with YOUR flaw logic, lol.
What evidence? You present merely opinions, and public domain photos/videos, so where is the evidence? In the claims you make? You really don't know the difference between claim and the fact? You see there what you see just because of the blind faith of yours, but no one can see what you see inside your sick head.
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To suggest jet fuel can melt asbestos-fire-retardent clad steel beams is like saying a nice log would melt a stove.
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01694/p_aga-stove_1694391b.jpg)
That's why the foil hat idiots are the only party which claims that jet fuel melted steel beams = fact 1.
Mankind has have the ability to forge metals and steel with fire at least 3000 years, so it is a fact that you can forge steel with fire = fact 2
Jet fuel were just ignition, there were quite high fire load inside the building as furniture's, papers etc. = fact 3
There isn't any evidence about the melted steel what so ever, only foil hat bullshit and such. = fact 4
If you spray asbestos plaster to the steel beams and let them dry 30 years, and then hit them by Boeing 767, will that plaster a) pulverize b) drop a way c) miraculously hang in the steel?
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Oh lying Ozmo, you poor child, can't deal with the reality you are alone in this thread, and every body has turn against you.
The only CT is you, who believe the lies from our Government.
The Government lied on that day.
Proof:
9/11 Incontrovertible Proof the Government is Lying
What we see in the video is a government employee just lying trough his teeth, claiming there was no melted steel on Ground Zero, then we see live testimony of witness that were there telling another story.
If he lied about something so simple, then that discredit the hole 9/11 report because it was base on the premise that jet and office fire melted steel that day and made 3 buildings come down into it's own footprint.
Which that makes you the biggest liar for slandering people and defending the biggest lie told by the Government to date.
Yet another bullshit video full of opinions, but empty of facts? When will you learn? Bullshit, opinions, claims & lies doesn't prove anything. Here is little piece of education for you:
(http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu347/911conspiracytv/pc190018.jpg)
http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu347/911conspiracytv/pc190018.jpg (http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu347/911conspiracytv/pc190018.jpg)
Same piece of melted metal than in your video. Is it steel? Nope. It clearly is aluminum because of the color, and those steel ribbons which are hanging out from it. Melted steel is black, it has nothing in it to make those light colors what you see in the picture (link = better resolution).
If that would be melted steel, would there be any strings of steel hanging from it? Why those didn't melt as well, while that few tons of steel- piece would easily be hot enough to melt them?
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Vao03gp7oC0/Rrkxhb9RXxI/AAAAAAAAADE/xgT5N3H0zww/s400/171106fireWTC.jpg) Fiction vs. reality (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7YXzjAKJQOg/hqdefault.jpg) Pools of melted steel or fireman's and the flashlight, inspecting some poor corpse at the ruins. Why anyone would counterfeit a picture to make his point about the foil hat theory? That's why it is just fair to say that foil hats are idiots.
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Yet another bullshit video full of opinions, but empty of facts? When will you learn? Bullshit, opinions, claims & lies doesn't prove anything. Here is little piece of education for you:
(http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu347/911conspiracytv/pc190018.jpg)
http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu347/911conspiracytv/pc190018.jpg (http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu347/911conspiracytv/pc190018.jpg)
Same piece of melted metal than in your video. Is it steel? Nope. It clearly is aluminum because of the color, and those steel ribbons which are hanging out from it. Melted steel is black, it has nothing in it to make those light colors what you see in the picture (link = better resolution).
If that would be melted steel, would there be any strings of steel hanging from it? Why those didn't melt as well, while that few tons of steel- piece would easily be hot enough to melt them?
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Vao03gp7oC0/Rrkxhb9RXxI/AAAAAAAAADE/xgT5N3H0zww/s400/171106fireWTC.jpg) Fiction vs. reality (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7YXzjAKJQOg/hqdefault.jpg) Pools of melted steel or fireman's and the flashlight, inspecting some poor corpse at the ruins. Why anyone would counterfeit a picture to make his point about the foil hat theory? That's why it is just fair to say that foil hats are idiots.
So then you agree that there were temperatures in there hot enough to melt, steel together. Yet the official narrative was that the fires were not hot enough to melt the steel, only to weaken it...
How is it that after the collapse, in the midst of all that rubble, dust etc, that the fires were able to get hotter? Let alone to burn over that temperature threshold for 3 months straight...?
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So then you agree that there were temperatures in there hot enough to melt, steel together. Yet the official narrative was that the fires were not hot enough to melt the steel, only to weaken it...
How is it that after the collapse, in the midst of all that rubble, dust etc, that the fires were able to get hotter? Let alone to burn over that temperature threshold for 3 months straight...?
That's been answered time and again. Steel only needs to heat to certain point and will continue until it begin to burn and melt.
Also there were many other metals in the WTCs and as fires burned there are pics of molten metal dropping.
(http://www.attivissimo.net/11settembre/recensioni/south-tower-molten-metal.jpg)
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First you need couple of Boeing 767 filled with 20 tons of jet fuel. Then you need couple of suicide pilots who fly the planes to the buildings, and there you go. Every other way to do it take months of preparations by the group of ~50 professionals , tons of explosives and kilometers of detonation cord. Of course all this is common knowledge, which means you don't know it because you are an imbecile.. ;D
Lol. WTC 7 was hit by planes? :o Oh, no!!! It wasn't, but it got hit by tons of debris which non of you two retards can prove, but guess what? Here is a couple pictures that proves that theory to be false, moronic piece of shit, with an IQ lower than room temperature. Do you get it?
How many buildings did fell on 9/11 that weren't lease by Larry Silverstein? Who I may add leased the twin towers knowing they were full of asbestos and would have had to replace it costing him in the billions and 6 weeks prior 9/11 he double the insurance against terrorist attacks? I will be waiting for the answer you imbecile little man.
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/media.wbur.org/wordpress/12/files/2011/08/0825_911_crop-500x300.jpg)
(http://www.fdnytenhouse.com/911/remember/images/wtc_photo.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/World_Trade_Center_Site_After_9-11_Attacks_With_Original_Building_Locations.jpg)
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So when I do once what you do all the time it is somehow bad thing to do? All you ever need to do is prove those explosion in some 9/11 video, and this piece of information is only which is missing from this thread, which is 61 pages long? Every time I ask you to prove it, the answer is just bullshit not even near the subject. I can't argue facts because you don't have any, so what I did was pointing out yet another way to prove you are just an idiot. I didn't do it for you, I did it for other people who read this thread and understand what they read. When it is evident that you are just a moron, they know that you are complete harmless and know how to react your ranting. That's all, little child, so when we will see your evidence about the explosions? Why don't we talk about that, because it is a vital detail which is missing and unproved in your theory? Why don't you want to talk about that? BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL. Simple truth ;D
If it wasn't investigated to begin with how di Fuck can I prove anything from my house you piece of shit, how dumb are you? That you keep coming back with the same rederick after all the information we have put up here from experts and witneses on 9/11.
(http://noethics.net/News/images/stories/imbecile2.jpg)
Nano-thermite explosives shown above were gathered from the WTC debris shortly after the towers fell on 9/11. Brigham Young University Physics Professor, Dr. Steven Jones, discovered the explosives and joined an international team of nine scientists for further analysis. Through extensive laboratory testing, the scientists concluded that the samples were Nano-thermitic explosives. After a rigorous peer-review process, their paper was published in the Bentham Chemical Physics Journal, which has been endorsed by Nobel Laureates and is respected within the scientific community.
http://investigate911.org/
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Official investigation is proved to be truth, period. There isn't even single evidence which would rise a reasonable doubt against it, because all what foil hats have is lies, rumors and bullshit, ridiculous and all sort of bullshit. Just read the thread from the beginning, or any other conspiracy thread from the another area. All you see is that bullshit, page after page, but not even one evidence. That's why official report remains to be a fact, and foil hats remains to be a morons ;D
FACTS on 9/11 you imbecile.
The commission never investigated for explosives.
The Bush Administration resisted the formation of the 9/11 Commission for 441 days. Similar Investigation, such as those for Pearl Harbor, The JFK Assassination, and The Space Shuttle Disasters, all started in about a week.
The WTC steel was quickly shipped overseas and melted down. This was an unprecedented violation of Federal Crime Scene Laws.
The Project for a New America Century(PNAC) requested "a new Peal Harbor" on September of
2000.
Osama Bin Laden was NOT wanted by the FBI for the 9/11 attacks. Was reported dead in
December 2001.
The bullshit investigation was never set to find the truth, that's is why this movement has not died, and it grows every year. But of course you wouldn't know because you are a RETARDED INBREED FROM FINLAND that knows jack shit about the USA, does this get trough you? Obvious it will not, but we will preveal.
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Lol. WTC 7 was hit by planes? :o Oh, no!!! It wasn't, but it got hit by tons of debris which non of you two retards can prove, but guess what?
Wrong as usual.
(http://skepticproject.com/images/articles/911-images/wtc7-side-damage1-sized.jpg)
Captain Chris Boyle
Engine 94 - 18 years
Boyle: ...on the north and east side of 7 it didn't look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn't look good.
Firehouse: When you looked at the south side, how close were you to the base of that side?
Boyle: I was standing right next to the building, probably right next to it.
Firehouse: When you had fire on the 20 floors, was it in one window or many?
Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we'll head back to the command post. We lost touch with him. I never saw him again that day.
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"...Captain Varriale told Chief Coloe and myself that 7 World Trade Center was badly damaged on the south side and definitely in danger of collapse. Chief Coloe said we were going to evacuate the collapse zone around 7 World Trade Center, which we did."
"The biggest decision we had to make was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged [WTC Building 7]. A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building's integrity was in serious doubt."
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Deputy Chief Peter Hayden
Division 1 - 33 years
...also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o'clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o'clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.
Firehouse: Was there heavy fire in there right away?
Hayden: No, not right away, and that's probably why it stood for so long because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didn't make any attempt to fight it. That was just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.
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NYFD all part of your grand conspiracy eh? paranoid much?
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FACTS on 9/11 you imbecile.
The commission never investigated for explosives.
Wrong as usual.
Did investigators consider the possibility that an explosion caused or contributed to the collapse of WTC 7?
Yes, this possibility was investigated carefully. NIST concluded that blast events inside the building did not occur and found no evidence supporting the existence of a blast event.
In addition, no blast sounds were heard on the audio tracks of video recordings during the collapse of WTC 7 or reported by witnesses. According to calculations by the investigation team, the smallest blast capable of failing the building's critical column would have resulted in a sound level of 130 decibels (dB) to 140 dB at a distance of at least half a mile, if unobstructed by surrounding buildings. This sound level is consistent with a gunshot blast, standing next to a jet plane engine, and more than 10 times louder than being in front of the speakers at a rock concert.
For the building to have been prepared for intentional demolition, walls and/or column enclosures and fireproofing would have to be removed and replaced without being detected. Preparing a column includes steps such as cutting sections with torches, which produces noxious and odorous fumes. Intentional demolition usually requires applying explosive charges to most, if not all, interior columns, not just one or a limited set of columns in a building.
The Bush Administration resisted the formation of the 9/11 Commission for 441 days. Similar Investigation, such as those for Pearl Harbor, The JFK Assassination, and The Space Shuttle Disasters, all started in about a week.
The WTC steel was quickly shipped overseas and melted down. This was an unprecedented violation of Federal Crime Scene Laws.
The Project for a New America Century(PNAC) requested "a new Peal Harbor" on September of
2000.
Osama Bin Laden was NOT wanted by the FBI for the 9/11 attacks. Was reported dead in
December 2001.
The bullshit investigation was never set to find the truth, that's is why this movement has not died, and it grows every year. But of course you wouldn't know because you are a RETARDED INBREED FROM FINLAND that knows jack shit about the USA, does this get trough you? Obvious it will not, but we will preveal.
More paranoid tin foil hattery
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I am lost of words, so just fuck of, you moron. Normally, people who have blown out more than a half of their brains with the 44 magnum, would have enough living brain cells to understand that steel doesn't pulverize in the thin air by any kind of weapon, miracle etc. If USA would have such powers, would there be Russia? North Korea? It is a true shame to walk on same planet than morons like you are.
The only person who needs to fuck off from this thread is you, THE RETARDED INBREED FROM FINLAND who I keep owning, and the other troll and big time dishonest piece of shit Ozmo.
This video is non other than a theory which would explain the pulverization of the debris of the twin towers from a prestigious GERMAN magazine. Which last time I check is a way superior country than your silly bitch community of retarded northern Europeans in Finland, lol.
(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/aerial-view-looking-down-at-the-world-trade-center-towers-picture-id53374589)(http://cdn.loc.gov/service/pnp/highsm/14300/14357v.jpg)
(http://www.capelinks.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/twin-towers.jpg)
(http://www.fdnytenhouse.com/911/remember/images/wtc_photo.jpg)(http://cdn2.wn.com/o25/ph/img/15/2b/067942fda4bf7160899eab65367c-grande.jpg)
(http://heiwaco.tripod.com/ABWTC.jpg)
Ground Zero – Nuclear Demolition of the World Trade Center.
An improved English version of the scandalous article from the NEXUS German magazine.
11. September: Die dritte Wahrheit
September 11 - The Third Truth.
(English version with additional videos and photos)
http://www.911thology.com/nexus1.html
Along with older English dictionaries, for the same reason, these photographs could also be used to show the molten rock left behind after the underground cavities were created by nuclear explosions under all three buildings of the World Trade Center. They eventually cooled down and were, at last, cleared of all remaining radioactive materials
(http://www.911thology.com/nexus1_files/image129.jpg)(http://www.911thology.com/nexus1_files/image130.jpg)
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If it wasn't investigated to begin with how di Fuck can I prove anything from my house you piece of shit, how dumb are you? That you keep coming back with the same rederick information we have put up here here from experts and witneses on 9/11.
(http://noethics.net/News/images/stories/imbecile2.jpg)
Nano-thermite explosives shown above were gathered from the WTC debris shortly after the towers fell on 9/11. Brigham Young University Physics Professor, Dr. Steven Jones, discovered the explosives and joined an international team of nine scientists for further analysis. Through extensive laboratory testing, the scientists concluded that the samples were Nano-thermitic explosives. After a rigorous peer-review process, their paper was published in the Bentham Chemical Physics Journal, which has been endorsed by Nobel Laureates and is respected within the scientific community.
http://investigate911.org/
Wrong again.
Showed this on another post in the thread.
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The only person who needs to fuck off from this thread is you, THE RETARDED INBREED FROM FINLAND who I keep owing, and the other troll and big time dishonest piece of shit Ozmo.
This video is non other than a theory which would explain the pulverization of the debris of the twin towers from a prestigious GERMAN magazine. Which last time I check is a way superior country than your silly bitch community of retarded northern Europeans in Finland, lol.
(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/aerial-view-looking-down-at-the-world-trade-center-towers-picture-id53374589)(http://cdn.loc.gov/service/pnp/highsm/14300/14357v.jpg)
(http://www.capelinks.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/twin-towers.jpg)
(http://www.fdnytenhouse.com/911/remember/images/wtc_photo.jpg)(http://cdn2.wn.com/o25/ph/img/15/2b/067942fda4bf7160899eab65367c-grande.jpg)
Ground Zero – Nuclear Demolition of the World Trade Center.
An improved English version of the scandalous article from the NEXUS German magazine.
11. September: Die dritte Wahrheit
September 11 - The Third Truth.
(English version with additional videos and photos)
http://www.911thology.com/nexus1.html
Along with older English dictionaries, for the same reason, these photographs could also be used to show the molten rock left behind after the underground cavities were created by nuclear explosions under all three buildings of the World Trade Center. They eventually cooled down and were, at last, cleared of all remaining radioactive materials
(http://www.911thology.com/nexus1_files/image129.jpg)(http://www.911thology.com/nexus1_files/image130.jpg)
Probably the dumbest CT on 9/11 a Nuke!
Only idiots would listen to some Russian hack and teenage ass hat.
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the Truthers Teenage Ass Hat Messiah:
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Wrong as usual.
Did investigators consider the possibility that an explosion caused or contributed to the collapse of WTC 7?
Yes, this possibility was investigated carefully. NIST concluded that blast events inside the building did not occur and found no evidence supporting the existence of a blast event.
In addition, no blast sounds were heard on the audio tracks of video recordings during the collapse of WTC 7 or reported by witnesses. According to calculations by the investigation team, the smallest blast capable of failing the building's critical column would have resulted in a sound level of 130 decibels (dB) to 140 dB at a distance of at least half a mile, if unobstructed by surrounding buildings. This sound level is consistent with a gunshot blast, standing next to a jet plane engine, and more than 10 times louder than being in front of the speakers at a rock concert.
For the building to have been prepared for intentional demolition, walls and/or column enclosures and fireproofing would have to be removed and replaced without being detected. Preparing a column includes steps such as cutting sections with torches, which produces noxious and odorous fumes. Intentional demolition usually requires applying explosive charges to most, if not all, interior columns, not just one or a limited set of columns in a building.
More paranoid tin foil hattery
Links for proof you idiot.
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Links for proof you idiot.
What for?
Wouldn't matter to your paranoid ass. I have shown time and time again, with proof, pics, links, credible testimony on every facet or charge you dumb asses have made. Your tinfoil hattery won't accept anything but your fantasy.
Was there audio of explosions?
NO.
Was there evidence of WTC 7, being prepare for the demolition?
NO
all you dumb asses have is you teen age ass hat messiah.
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Wrong again.
Showed this on another post in the thread.
With the lighter as a example? LOLOLOLOL. How can somebody be so stupid and keep posting after been owned into oblivion is beyond me. Keep trying.
By the way that article is from a Physics Professor, Dr. Steven Jones from Brigham Young University University which is more proof than your bullshit on 9/11 been main stream science back up by prestigious universities like MIT. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
(http://img.picturequotes.com/2/21/20046/when-a-finger-points-at-the-moon-the-imbecile-looks-at-the-finger-quote-1.jpg)
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With the lighter as a example? LOLOLOLOL. How can somebody be so stupid and keep posting after been owned into oblivion is beyond me. Keep trying.
By the way that article is from a Physics Professor, Dr. Steven Jones from Brigham Young University University which is more proof than your bullshit on 9/11 been main stream science back up by prestigious universities like MIT. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
(http://img.picturequotes.com/2/21/20046/when-a-finger-points-at-the-moon-the-imbecile-looks-at-the-finger-quote-1.jpg)
The only that has been owned is the ENTIRE TRUTHER MOVEMENT.
You are the laughing stock of the world.
Worse than moonbots.
Go back a few pages and read the debunk of you dare. I would love to hear your desperate justification of your grand conspiracy.
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the Truthers Teenage Ass Hat Messiah:
This young adult knows better than the rest of the world!
Just listen to him explain how a plane should hit the ground!
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Wrong as usual.
(http://skepticproject.com/images/articles/911-images/wtc7-side-damage1-sized.jpg)
Captain Chris Boyle
Engine 94 - 18 years
Boyle: ...on the north and east side of 7 it didn't look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn't look good.
Firehouse: When you looked at the south side, how close were you to the base of that side?
Boyle: I was standing right next to the building, probably right next to it.
Firehouse: When you had fire on the 20 floors, was it in one window or many?
Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we'll head back to the command post. We lost touch with him. I never saw him again that day.
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"...Captain Varriale told Chief Coloe and myself that 7 World Trade Center was badly damaged on the south side and definitely in danger of collapse. Chief Coloe said we were going to evacuate the collapse zone around 7 World Trade Center, which we did."
"The biggest decision we had to make was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged [WTC Building 7]. A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building's integrity was in serious doubt."
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Deputy Chief Peter Hayden
Division 1 - 33 years
...also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o'clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o'clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.
Firehouse: Was there heavy fire in there right away?
Hayden: No, not right away, and that's probably why it stood for so long because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didn't make any attempt to fight it. That was just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.
________________________ ________________________
NYFD all part of your grand conspiracy eh? paranoid much?
If a lie is told many times, the village idiots tend to believe it many times. That was German propaganda way back during World World 2. And with you it shows in strides. No wonder you got owned by 240, but like always to stupid to come the realization of the type of CT you are. Keep trolling.
(http://pop.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/06/54cfbbb66d87e_-_wtc-7-lede-0808.jpg)(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT01WT8ES02fa8_xmY_cAjP6elJfFFyFxi6YdbvXwF8e_5VrKuh)(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IGZLkbR7jWs/ReN5Hdps01I/AAAAAAAAAEQ/y8t1Oh46ckY/s400/after_twin_collapses.jpg)(http://pop.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/06/54cfc9028d2c4_-_911-tower-collapse.jpg)
And it felt into it's own footprint after been only on fire for 8 hours:
(http://911yweb.webz.cz/images/wtc7/trosky/010_1.JPG)(http://i.forbesimg.com/images/2001/09/14/10_seven_collapse_400x264.jpg)(http://www.911blogger.com/files/images/wtc_hires_wtc7_clip.jpg)
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Probably the dumbest CT on 9/11 a Nuke!
Only idiots would listen to some Russian hack and teenage ass hat.
You must be one of those "flat earth" running around in youtube I see.
(http://www.auricmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/flat-earth-theory.jpg)
Nuclear Demolition
Nuclear demolition, as a form of "controlled demolition", was first mooted towards the end of the 1960s when building code requirements made it necessary to provide satisfactory proposals for the eventual demolition of proposed modern tall steel frame buildings.
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Nuclear_Demolition
All this is just theories, the underground thermonuclear theory does hold water when you go to account for all the mass that went missing from those buildings, such as the missing 260,000 thousand tons of steel beams. AND the fact that they did fall into their footprint (literally) and, no huge pile of debris like you would expect. Sure looks like a mushroom cloud coming from the top of the building, as it fell. Also, no piece or remains of humans more than a couple inches square, nano-thermite can't do that.
But all this is pure speculation on my part.
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the Truthers Teenage Ass Hat Messiah:
This young adult knows better than the rest of the world!
Just listen to him explain how a plane should hit the ground!
Talking about intellectual dishonesty. That video proofed why the coroner on Shankville was lying through his teeth and how easy he got exposed.
He recanted his story because to him it was clear the terrorists killed the passenger.
How that fuck could he come to that conclusion if he did not see a drop of blood? Other than been told the story to which he had adhere to.
Shanksville Coroner: No Bodies Found at 9/11 'Crash' Site
Wallace Miller is the coroner of Somerset County, Pennsylvania. He was among the first people to arrive at the alleged Flight 93 crash site on the morning of 9/11.
He later recounted to the Washington Post what he’d seen when he first got there:
“I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there. It became like a giant funeral service.” (Peter Perl, “Hallowed Ground,” Washington Post, 5/12/2002)
Since there were 44 people on board Flight 93, a crash site with “no bodies” makes no sense. Where were the victims? Something appears to have been seriously wrong. Yet Miller now seems to dispute his earlier claim.
In the recent BBC documentary 9/11: The Conspiracy Files, he explained:
“I said that I stopped being a coroner after about 20 minutes because it was perfectly clear what the cause and manner of death was gonna be.
"This is the most eerie thing. I have not, to this day, seen a single drop of blood. Not a drop."
It was a plane crash but yet it was a homicide because the terrorists hijacked the plane and killed the people, and the terrorists committed suicide.
“The 33 passengers, seven crew and four hijackers together weighed roughly 7,000 pounds. … Hundreds of searchers who climbed the hemlocks and combed the woods for weeks [after 9/11] were able to find about 1,500 mostly scorched samples of human tissue totaling less than 600 pounds, or about 8 percent of the total.” (Peter Perl, “Hallowed Ground,” Washington Post, 5/12/2002)
http://humansarefree.com/2015/03/shanksville-coroner-no-bodies-found-at.html
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That's why the foil hat idiots are the only party which claims that jet fuel melted steel beams = fact 1.
Mankind has have the ability to forge metals and steel with fire at least 3000 years, so it is a fact that you can forge steel with fire = fact 2
Jet fuel were just ignition, there were quite high fire load inside the building as furniture's, papers etc. = fact 3
There isn't any evidence about the melted steel what so ever, only foil hat bullshit and such. = fact 4
If you spray asbestos plaster to the steel beams and let them dry 30 years, and then hit them by Boeing 767, will that plaster a) pulverize b) drop a way c) miraculously hang in the steel?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=607734.0;attach=678497;image)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/World_Trade_Center_9-11_Attacks_Illustration_with_Vertical_Impact_Locations.svg/1280px-World_Trade_Center_9-11_Attacks_Illustration_with_Vertical_Impact_Locations.svg.png)
(http://www.911thology.com/nexus1_files/image080.jpg)(http://www.911thology.com/nexus1_files/image109.gif)
Above: profiles of the remaining core WTC columns found at “Ground Zero”; their comparative thickness can be easily estimated; actually they feature walls that are 2.5 inches thick; such thick columns made of steel constituted both – the cores and the entire perimeters of the Twin Towers.
(http://www.shockmansion.com/wp-content/myimages/2015/12/molten-steel-at-wtc.jpg)
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That's been answered time and again. Steel only needs to heat to certain point and will continue until it begin to burn and melt.
Also there were many other metals in the WTCs and as fires burned there are pics of molten metal dropping.
(http://www.attivissimo.net/11settembre/recensioni/south-tower-molten-metal.jpg)
(http://www.911thology.com/nexus1_files/image113.jpg)
More intellectual dishonesty, comparing steel wool to the steel beams from the twin towers after been on fire for less than 2 hours.
(http://www.relatably.com/m/img/pathetic-memes/41f51ea39e83fd4bee79cf629eb1951d1b89a35a1604df4da5452b5835e13036.jpg)
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(http://www.911thology.com/nexus1_files/image113.jpg)
More intellectual dishonesty, comparing steel wool to the steel beams from the twin towers after been on fire for less than 2 hours.
(http://www.relatably.com/m/img/pathetic-memes/41f51ea39e83fd4bee79cf629eb1951d1b89a35a1604df4da5452b5835e13036.jpg)
I know, its hard for an idiot that follows a teenage ass hat messiah to understand how physics and chemistry works whether on large or small scales.
I can't blame you when your messiah doesn't even understand why a plane that crashes into the ground full of fuel at 400+ mph isn't sticking out of the ground like a lawn dart.
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You must be one of those "flat earth" running around in youtube I see.
(http://www.auricmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/flat-earth-theory.jpg)
Nuclear Demolition
Nuclear demolition, as a form of "controlled demolition", was first mooted towards the end of the 1960s when building code requirements made it necessary to provide satisfactory proposals for the eventual demolition of proposed modern tall steel frame buildings.
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Nuclear_Demolition
Probably the dumbest CT on 9/11 a Nuke!
Only idiots would listen to some Russian hack and teenage ass hat.
Embarrassing that your are a US citizen. They should deport you.
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Talking about intellectual dishonesty. That video proofed why the coroner on Shankville was lying through his teeth and how easy he got exposed.
He recanted his story because to him it was clear the terrorists killed the passenger.
How that fuck could he come to that conclusion if he did not see a drop of blood?
Other than been told the story to which he had adhere to.
Ahh yes the grand conspiracy. Because when the initial conspiracy is debunked, the grand pone explains it all.
lol
Shanksville Coroner: No Bodies Found at 9/11 'Crash' Site
Wallace Miller is the coroner of Somerset County, Pennsylvania. He was among the first people to arrive at the alleged Flight 93 crash site on the morning of 9/11.
He later recounted to the Washington Post what he’d seen when he first got there:
“I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there. It became like a giant funeral service.” (Peter Perl, “Hallowed Ground,” Washington Post, 5/12/2002)
yes thats what coroners do, they examine bodies. Hard to examine bodies that vaporized in a plane crash.
Since there were 44 people on board Flight 93, a crash site with “no bodies” makes no sense. Where were the victims? Something appears to have been seriously wrong.
Yes to the uneducated followers of the teeen age ass hat, they most be dumb founded.
Yet Miller now seems to dispute his earlier claim.
In the recent BBC documentary 9/11: The Conspiracy Files, he explained:
“I said that I stopped being a coroner after about 20 minutes because it was perfectly clear what the cause and manner of death was gonna be.
"This is the most eerie thing. I have not, to this day, seen a single drop of blood. Not a drop."
No shit, in an fireball blood is supposed to not burn!
“The 33 passengers, seven crew and four hijackers together weighed roughly 7,000 pounds. … Hundreds of searchers who climbed the hemlocks and combed the woods for weeks [after 9/11] were able to find about 1,500 mostly scorched samples of human tissue totaling less than 600 pounds, or about 8 percent of the total.” (Peter Perl, “Hallowed Ground,” Washington Post, 5/12/2002)
http://humansarefree.com/2015/03/shanksville-coroner-no-bodies-found-at.html
Yet they found that not 100% of the bodies vaporized. There were 600 pounds of human tissue.
Must of been sprinkled there by the black helicopters after crash right?
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Probably the dumbest CT on 9/11 a Nuke!
Only idiots would listen to some Russian hack and teenage ass hat.
Embarrassing that your are a US citizen. They should deport you.
All this is just theories, the underground thermonuclear theory does hold water when you go to account for all the mass that went missing from those buildings, such as the missing 260,000 thousand tons of steel beams. AND the fact that they did fall into their footprint (literally) and, no huge pile of debris like you would expect. Sure looks like a mushroom cloud coming from the top of the building, as it fell. Also, no piece or remains of humans more than a couple inches square, nano-thermite can't do that.
But all this is pure speculation on my part.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/World_Trade_Center_9-11_Attacks_Illustration_with_Vertical_Impact_Locations.svg/1280px-World_Trade_Center_9-11_Attacks_Illustration_with_Vertical_Impact_Locations.svg.png)(http://heiwaco.tripod.com/ABWTC.jpg)
(http://www.capelinks.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/twin-towers.jpg)(http://southeastasianews.org/archives/dimitri_article_nexus_2010_clip_image017.jpg)(http://cdn2.wn.com/o25/ph/img/15/2b/067942fda4bf7160899eab65367c-grande.jpg)
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All this is just theories,
Not surprised you haven't speculated on the planes being holograms emitted by helicopters or the missiles themselves.
the underground thermonuclear theory does hold water when you go to account for all the mass that went missing from those buildings, such as the missing 260,000 thousand tons of steel beams
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This is a great example of the flawed thinking of CT'ers. Just like the pic of WTC & you provided that looks like a foot print.
1. Cherry pick
2. Tunnel vision (block out all other evidence or lack of evidence)
AND the fact that they did fall into their footprint (literally)
They (WTC 1-2-7) fell and damaged buildings around them. FACT.
and, no huge pile of debris like you would expect.
The buildings were shells not solid through and through.
Sure looks like a mushroom cloud coming from the top of the building,
yes mushroom cloud = nuke. lol
Also, no piece or remains of humans more than a couple inches square, nano-thermite can't do that.
Wrong again:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/79/a5/85/79a585d516aee25f085da077d37fdb18.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/6e/80/fb/6e80fb50d4d016c6fdd8e76bf75a28f0.jpg)
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/doctor-details-grim-work-identifying-9-11-bodies-new-book-article-1.1873374 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/doctor-details-grim-work-identifying-9-11-bodies-new-book-article-1.1873374)
And they found 12 survivors.
But all this is pure speculation on my part.
Nearly all truther arguments are baseless speculation born of cherry picking and excluding other evidence.
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Not surprised you haven't speculated on the planes being holograms emitted by helicopters or the missiles themselves.
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This is a great example of the flawed thinking of CT'ers. Just like the pic of WTC & you provided that looks like a foot print.
1. Cherry pick
2. Tunnel vision (block out all other evidence or lack of evidence)
They (WTC 1-2-7) fell and damaged buildings around them. FACT.
The buildings were shells not solid through and through.
yes mushroom cloud = nuke. lol
Wrong again:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/79/a5/85/79a585d516aee25f085da077d37fdb18.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/6e/80/fb/6e80fb50d4d016c6fdd8e76bf75a28f0.jpg)
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/doctor-details-grim-work-identifying-9-11-bodies-new-book-article-1.1873374 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/doctor-details-grim-work-identifying-9-11-bodies-new-book-article-1.1873374)
And they found 12 survivors.
Nearly all truther arguments are baseless speculation born of cherry picking and excluding other evidence.
12 survivors out of 3000 people, more intellectual dishonesty or just pure stupidity on your part, which is it? May I bring 240 here so he can school you on the type of CT that you are?
By the way I'm still waiting for you to proof who did the peer review on the Nist report on WTC 7. Last time I check they never released their computer model or their mathematical calculations. I could be wrong, waiting for you to prove it that is.
And the main stream science that has been per review and back up the official report on 9/11 from prestigious Universities that you been claiming all this time too. Would like to check it as well.
Funny how you only provide the links to survivors of the twin towers, but can't provide any of them to prove the fatal damage from the debris to WTC 7, afraid you may get exposed again?
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12 survivors out of 3000 people, more intellectual dishonesty or just pure stupidity on your part, which is it? May I bring 240 here so he can school you on the type of CT that you are?
240 stopped because he could no longer argue the event without evidence, all he had was speculation, rhetoric and flawed logic just like you.
Here you go:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/this_just_in/2002/09/an_unlikely_hero.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/this_just_in/2002/09/an_unlikely_hero.html)
Only 12 survivors were pulled from the rubble of the World Trade Center after the towers fell on Sept. 11, 2001, despite intense rescue efforts
there may have been more:
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/victims/wtcsurvivors.html (http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/victims/wtcsurvivors.html)
http://kvil.cbslocal.com/2011/09/12/9-things-you-might-not-know-about-911/ (http://kvil.cbslocal.com/2011/09/12/9-things-you-might-not-know-about-911/)
According to 9/11 research on World Trade Center survivors, 20 people were pulled from the rubble alive. Among the survivors were John McLoughlin and William Jimeno, two Port Authority policemen, who were rescued after being buried in debris around a freight elevator for about 13 and 21 hours. They were the subject of the 2006 Oliver Stone film ‘World Trade Center.’
Facts kill the CT again.
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12 survivors out of 3000 people, more intellectual dishonesty or just pure stupidity on your part, which is it? May I bring 240 here so he can school you on the type of CT that you are?
By the way I'm still waiting for you to proof who did the peer review on the Nist report on WTC 7. Last time I check they never released their computer model or their mathematical calculations. I could be wrong, waiting for you to prove it that is.
And the main stream science that has been per review and back up the official report on 9/11 from prestigious Universities that you been claiming all this time too. Would like to check it as well.
Funny how you only provide the links to survivors of the twin towers, but can't provide any of them to prove the fatal damage from the debris to WTC 7, afraid you may get exposed again?
start here: www.google.com I know its not youtube, but that's were i got them.
I have spent enough time digging shit up. Your turn. Or better yet, bet me they don't exist.
Or you can try starting here:
http://web.mit.edu/
http://www-math.mit.edu/
http://heiwaco.tripod.com/
http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/
https://www.cs.purdue.edu
http://news.stanford.edu/
:)
Why wouldn't i be surprised that if you do find them, you'll cite your grand conspiracy defense saying they threatened or government financed or just plain ignore it and jump to something else?
here is a off subject regarding pulverization of concrete as per one of other conversations from one of those reports:
Energy Required to Produce All of Pulverized Concrete
Let us now check whether the gravitational energy delivered by impact sufficed to produce the
large amount of concrete dust on the ground. The dust particles generally ranged from Dmin
= 0.01 mm to Dmax = 0.1 mm. Substituting D = Dmax into Eq. (13), and considering, as an
upper bound, that all of the concrete of both towers (about Md = 14.6×107 kg) was pulverized,
lying on the ground, we can calculate an upper bound on the total impact energy Kt required
to produce all these particles, for both towers:
Kt =
3MdGF
ρD0.5
max
(D
−0.5
min − D
−0.5
max ) (21)
=
3 × (14.6 × 107
) kg × 20 J/m2
1500 kg/m3 × (100 µm)0.5
[(10 µm)−0.5 − (100 µm)−0.5
] = 12.63 × 1010 J (22)
Eq. (21) indicates the dissipation of about 865 J per kg of pulverized concrete, which is a
realistic value.
The total gravitational potential energy Πg released by one tower is calculated as the tower
weight multiplied by the distance between the mass centroid of the tower and the mass centroid
of the rubble heap on the ground, and is approximately Πg = 8.25×1011 J. Eq. (21) represents
only about 7.65 % of 2Πg (both towers). So there is far more impact energy than necessary
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From the "9 Things You Might Not Know" link, above:
6. Code messages were sent out online by 9/11 conspirators
It is claimed that one of the 9/11 conspirators – Abu Abdul Rahman – sent a coded love post on an Internet chat room to his “German girlfriend” weeks before the attack, who turned out to be fellow 9/11 conspirator Ramzi Binalshibh.
The message allegedly read: “The first semester commences in three weeks. Two high schools [Twin Towers] and two universities [Washington DC targets] … This summer will surely be hot …19 [the eventual number of hijackers] certificates for private education and four exams [the number of planes used]. Regards to the professor. Goodbye.”
CNN reports that about three weeks before 9/11, targets were assigned to four teams, with three of them bearing a code name. The US Capitol building was called ‘The Faculty of Law;’ the Pentagon became ‘The Faculty of Fine Arts;’ and the North Tower of the World Trade Center was code-named as ‘The Faculty of Town Planning.’
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I wonder if some of them thought they were participating in a drill on 9/11.
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Conclusions
Several of the parameters of the present mathematical model have a large range of uncertainty.
However, the solution exhibits small sensitivity to some of them, and the values of others can
be fixed on the basis of observations or physical analysis. One and the same mathematical
model, with one and the same set of parameters, is shown capable of matching all of the
observations, including:
(1) the video records of the first few seconds of motion of both towers,
(2) the seismic records for both towers,
(3) the mass and size distributions of the comminuted
particles of concrete,
(4) the energy requirement for the comminution that occurred,
(5) the
wide spread of the fine dust around the tower,
(6) the loud booms heard during collapse,
(7)
the fast expansion of dust clouds during collapse, and
(8) the dust content of cloud implied by
its size. At the same time, the alternative allegations of some kind of controlled demolition are
shown to be totally out of range of the present mathematical model, even if the full range of
parameter uncertainties is considered.
These conclusions show the allegations of controlled demolition to be absurd and leave no
doubt that the towers failed due to gravity-driven progressive collapse triggered by the effects
of fire
I believe this assessment over this ass hat teenager:
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start here: www.google.com I know its not youtube, but that's were i got them.
I have spent enough time digging shit up. Your turn. Or better yet, bet me they don't exist.
Or you can try starting here:
http://web.mit.edu/
http://www-math.mit.edu/
http://heiwaco.tripod.com/
http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/
https://www.cs.purdue.edu
http://news.stanford.edu/
:)
Why wouldn't i be surprised that if you do find them, you'll cite your grand conspiracy defense saying they threatened or government financed or just plain ignore it and jump to something else?
here is a off subject regarding pulverization of concrete as per one of other conversations from one of those reports:
Energy Required to Produce All of Pulverized Concrete
Let us now check whether the gravitational energy delivered by impact sufficed to produce the
large amount of concrete dust on the ground. The dust particles generally ranged from Dmin
= 0.01 mm to Dmax = 0.1 mm. Substituting D = Dmax into Eq. (13), and considering, as an
upper bound, that all of the concrete of both towers (about Md = 14.6×107 kg) was pulverized,
lying on the ground, we can calculate an upper bound on the total impact energy Kt required
to produce all these particles, for both towers:
Kt =
3MdGF
ρD0.5
max
(D
−0.5
min − D
−0.5
max ) (21)
=
3 × (14.6 × 107
) kg × 20 J/m2
1500 kg/m3 × (100 µm)0.5
[(10 µm)−0.5 − (100 µm)−0.5
] = 12.63 × 1010 J (22)
Eq. (21) indicates the dissipation of about 865 J per kg of pulverized concrete, which is a
realistic value.
The total gravitational potential energy Πg released by one tower is calculated as the tower
weight multiplied by the distance between the mass centroid of the tower and the mass centroid
of the rubble heap on the ground, and is approximately Πg = 8.25×1011 J. Eq. (21) represents
only about 7.65 % of 2Πg (both towers). So there is far more impact energy than necessary
Proof that you do not understand the shit that you post. So this proves what exactly? This is talking about pulverizing concrete you dumb ass, but before you said the buildings where hollow steel frame buildings.
Which is it? God, you are so dumb, and you keep getting expose and you are too stupid to realize it. I hope you spend the rest of you life in the basement of your mother's house because I can see you will not fare well with the general population with your way of thinking, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
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Conclusions
Several of the parameters of the present mathematical model have a large range of uncertainty.
However, the solution exhibits small sensitivity to some of them, and the values of others can
be fixed on the basis of observations or physical analysis. One and the same mathematical
model, with one and the same set of parameters, is shown capable of matching all of the
observations, including:
(1) the video records of the first few seconds of motion of both towers,
(2) the seismic records for both towers,
(3) the mass and size distributions of the comminuted
particles of concrete,
(4) the energy requirement for the comminution that occurred,
(5) the
wide spread of the fine dust around the tower,
(6) the loud booms heard during collapse,
(7)
the fast expansion of dust clouds during collapse, and
(8) the dust content of cloud implied by
its size. At the same time, the alternative allegations of some kind of controlled demolition are
shown to be totally out of range of the present mathematical model, even if the full range of
parameter uncertainties is considered.
These conclusions show the allegations of controlled demolition to be absurd and leave no
doubt that the towers failed due to gravity-driven progressive collapse triggered by the effects
of fire
I believe this assessment over this ass hat teenager:
Links you moron.
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I wonder if some of them thought they were participating in a drill on 9/11.
Kinda like Lee Harvey Oswald don't you think? There were many reports of them drinking alcohol, doing drugs and spending time in strip clubs. Not a proper behavior I would say from a devoted Muslim at the brink of committing a terrorist suicide in the name of ALA.
By the way what do you think on the AGM-158 JASSM, too out there?
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240 stopped because he could no longer argue the event without evidence, all he had was speculation, rhetoric and flawed logic just like you.
Here you go:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/this_just_in/2002/09/an_unlikely_hero.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/this_just_in/2002/09/an_unlikely_hero.html)
Only 12 survivors were pulled from the rubble of the World Trade Center after the towers fell on Sept. 11, 2001, despite intense rescue efforts
there may have been more:
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/victims/wtcsurvivors.html (http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/victims/wtcsurvivors.html)
http://kvil.cbslocal.com/2011/09/12/9-things-you-might-not-know-about-911/ (http://kvil.cbslocal.com/2011/09/12/9-things-you-might-not-know-about-911/)
According to 9/11 research on World Trade Center survivors, 20 people were pulled from the rubble alive. Among the survivors were John McLoughlin and William Jimeno, two Port Authority policemen, who were rescued after being buried in debris around a freight elevator for about 13 and 21 hours. They were the subject of the 2006 Oliver Stone film ‘World Trade Center.’
Facts kill the CT again.
Thousands of people suffered profound trauma from directly witnessing to the events of 9/11/01 in New York City. Hundreds narrowly escaped death. Thousands more have been bereaved by the loss of loved ones in the attack. All of these people are rightly described as survivors of the attack. Here we focus on a much smaller group of people who either escaped or were rescued from Ground Zero after being trapped by the Towers' falls. Just 20 people are known to fit this description. Four of those were trapped and rescued by Ground Zero workers. The rest found their way out of that scene of incomprehensible destruction. All of their stories of survival are remarkable
Canavan continued to struggle, and extracted himself and walked to safety over smouldering rubble that burned the bottoms of his shoes. He had crawled 40 feet east and 30 feet up through the rubble in 25 minutes, escaping just a few minutes before the fall of the North Tower. 4 To date, the identity of the other survivor described by Canavan remains unknown.
Fourteen people, mostly firefighters from Ladder Company 6 and Engine 39, survived in the B stairwell of the North Tower and crawled to safety. They are Firefighters Billy Butler, Tommy Falco, Jay Jonas, Michael Meldrum, Sal D'Agastino, and Matt Komorowski of Ladder 6; Firefighter Mickey Kross of Engine Company 16, Firefighters Jim McGlynn, Rob Bacon, Jeff Coniglio, and Jim Efthimiaddes of Engine 39; Porrt Authority Police Officer Dave Lim; Battalion Chief Rich Picciotto of the 11th Battalion; and civilian Josephine Harris. 5
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/victims/wtcsurvivors.html
See, Ozmo again expose for his intellectual dishonesty and just lying again. Would you ever stop lying? I don't think so.
4 were rescue. Not 20. Again shit for brain in the attack from his mom's basement, but easily debunked by his own links. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHHA
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Proof that you do not understand the shit that you post. So this proves what exactly? This is talking about pulverizing concrete you dumb ass, but before you said the buildings where hollow steel frame buildings.
Which is it? God, you are so dumb, and you keep getting expose and you are too stupid to realize it. I hope you spend the rest of you life in the basement of your mother's house because I can see you will not fare well with the general population with your way of thinking, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
you didn't read this:
here is a off subject regarding pulverization of concrete as per one of other conversations from one of those reports:
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Links you moron.
its not on youtube lolololololololol
You think i just made all that up? HAHAHAHAHAHAH
I told you, i am not digging more shit up for you. Dig it out yourself.
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Too many people involved means too many blabber mouths.
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Thousands of people suffered profound trauma from directly witnessing to the events of 9/11/01 in New York City. Hundreds narrowly escaped death. Thousands more have been bereaved by the loss of loved ones in the attack. All of these people are rightly described as survivors of the attack. Here we focus on a much smaller group of people who either escaped or were rescued from Ground Zero after being trapped by the Towers' falls. Just 20 people are known to fit this description. Four of those were trapped and rescued by Ground Zero workers. The rest found their way out of that scene of incomprehensible destruction. All of their stories of survival are remarkable
Canavan continued to struggle, and extracted himself and walked to safety over smouldering rubble that burned the bottoms of his shoes. He had crawled 40 feet east and 30 feet up through the rubble in 25 minutes, escaping just a few minutes before the fall of the North Tower. 4 To date, the identity of the other survivor described by Canavan remains unknown.
Fourteen people, mostly firefighters from Ladder Company 6 and Engine 39, survived in the B stairwell of the North Tower and crawled to safety. They are Firefighters Billy Butler, Tommy Falco, Jay Jonas, Michael Meldrum, Sal D'Agastino, and Matt Komorowski of Ladder 6; Firefighter Mickey Kross of Engine Company 16, Firefighters Jim McGlynn, Rob Bacon, Jeff Coniglio, and Jim Efthimiaddes of Engine 39; Porrt Authority Police Officer Dave Lim; Battalion Chief Rich Picciotto of the 11th Battalion; and civilian Josephine Harris. 5
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/victims/wtcsurvivors.html
See, Ozmo again expose for his intellectual dishonesty and just lying again. Would you ever stop lying? I don't think so.
4 were rescue. Not 20. Again shit for brain in the attack from his mom's basement, but easily debunked by his own links. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHHA
the fire fighters were in the building. lol
And whether or not you want to argue that:
you said:
. Also, no piece or remains of humans more than a couple inches square
Were all 4 of these survivors only 1.75 inches tall? lol
and now you say there were 4 survivors.
4 is greater than 0
lol
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/this_just_in/2002/09/an_unlikely_hero.html
Only 12 survivors were pulled from the rubble of the World Trade Center after the towers fell on Sept. 11, 2001, despite intense rescue efforts
you remember according to your Russian lover, its supposed to be completely pulverized.
Oh yeah and nothing bigger than an office phone lol
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Too many people involved means too many blabber mouths.
This is all part of the zion grand conspiracy. they silenced those who wanted to expose the holocaust CT and they can silence any number of peeps including you.
;D
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The truther ass hat teen age Messaih saving the world from the Jews!!!!
I mean after all he did trying throwing a toy airplane into a pile of dirt as hard as he could in his moms back yard and it didn't vaporize like flight 93!
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Quote from: M4tad0r on Today at 12:47:23 PM
. Also, no piece or remains of humans more than a couple inches square
this woman must be suffering from radiation sickness. Good thing she was made of legos (under 1 inch) so they could put her back together again
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-136382/9-11--Survivors-Twin-Towers.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-136382/9-11--Survivors-Twin-Towers.html)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/img/pix2/janicebrooks050902_145x101.jpg)
Oh wait, she's a government plant!!!!!!!!!!
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240 stopped because he could no longer argue the event without evidence, all he had was speculation, rhetoric and flawed logic just like you.
Here you go:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/this_just_in/2002/09/an_unlikely_hero.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/this_just_in/2002/09/an_unlikely_hero.html)
Only 12 survivors were pulled from the rubble of the World Trade Center after the towers fell on Sept. 11, 2001, despite intense rescue efforts
there may have been more:
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/victims/wtcsurvivors.html (http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/victims/wtcsurvivors.html)
http://kvil.cbslocal.com/2011/09/12/9-things-you-might-not-know-about-911/ (http://kvil.cbslocal.com/2011/09/12/9-things-you-might-not-know-about-911/)
According to 9/11 research on World Trade Center survivors, 20 people were pulled from the rubble alive. Among the survivors were John McLoughlin and William Jimeno, two Port Authority policemen, who were rescued after being buried in debris around a freight elevator for about 13 and 21 hours. They were the subject of the 2006 Oliver Stone film ‘World Trade Center.’
Facts kill the CT again.
From the article of pure fiction:
Karnes hadn't been near the World Trade Center. He wasn't even in New York when the planes hit the towers. He was in Wilton, Conn., working in his job as a senior accountant with Deloitte Touche. When the second plane hit, Karnes told his colleagues, "We're at war." He had spent 23 years in the Marine Corps infantry and felt it was his duty to help. Karnes told his boss he might not see him for a while.
Then he went to get a haircut.
The small barbershop in Stamford, Conn., near his home, was deserted. "Give me a good Marine Corps squared-off haircut," he told the barber. When it was done, he drove home to put on his uniform. Karnes always kept two sets of Marine fatigues hanging in his closet, pressed and starched. "It's kind of weird to do, but it comes in handy," he says. Next Karnes stopped by the storage facility where he kept his equipment—he'd need rappelling gear, ropes, canteens of water, his Marine Corps K-Bar knife, and a flashlight, at least. Then he drove to church. He asked the pastor and parishioners to say a prayer that God would lead him to survivors. A devout Christian, Karnes often turned to God when faced with decisions.
Finally, Karnes lowered the convertible top on his Porsche. This would make it easier for the authorities to look in and see a Marine, he reasoned. If they could see who he was, he'd be able to zip past checkpoints and more easily gain access to the site. For Karnes, it was a "God thing" that he was in the Porsche—a Porsche 911—that day. He'd only purchased it a month earlier—it had been a stretch, financially. But he decided to buy it after his pastor suggested that he "pray on it." He had no choice but to take it that day because his Mercury was in the shop. Driving the Porsche at speeds of up to 120 miles per hour, he reached Manhattan—after stopping at McDonald's for a hamburger—in the late afternoon.
His plan worked. With the top off, the cops could see his pressed fatigues, his neatly cropped hair, and his gear up front. They waved him past the barricades. He arrived at the site—"the pile"—at about 5:30. Building 7 of the World Trade Center, a 47-story office structure adjacent to the fallen twin towers, had just dramatically collapsed. Rescue workers had been ordered off the pile—it was too unsafe to let them continue. Flames were bursting from a number of buildings, and the whole site was considered unstable. Standing on the edge of the burning pile, Karnes spotted … another Marine dressed in camouflage. His name was Sgt. Thomas. Karnes never learned his first name, and he's never come forward in the time since.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/this_just_in/2002/09/an_unlikely_hero.html
You can't make this story up, and Ozmo the bozo pass this articles as truths for the people rescued on 9/11. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH AHAH
The idiot that keeps giving. You got me dying here with tears coming out of my eyes you imbecile.
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Quote from: M4tad0r on Today at 12:47:23 PM
. Also, no piece or remains of humans more than a couple inches square
this woman must be suffering from radiation sickness. Good thing she was made of legos (under 1 inch) so they could put her back together again
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-136382/9-11--Survivors-Twin-Towers.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-136382/9-11--Survivors-Twin-Towers.html)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/img/pix2/janicebrooks050902_145x101.jpg)
Oh wait, she's a government plant!!!!!!!!!!
I don't get it. Are you losing it, bro? Where is the article.
(http://affiliate-101.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/professional-blogging-without-going-crazy.jpg)
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start here: www.google.com I know its not youtube, but that's were i got them.
I have spent enough time digging shit up. Your turn. Or better yet, bet me they don't exist.
Or you can try starting here:
http://web.mit.edu/
http://www-math.mit.edu/
http://heiwaco.tripod.com/
http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/
https://www.cs.purdue.edu
http://news.stanford.edu/
:)
Why wouldn't i be surprised that if you do find them, you'll cite your grand conspiracy defense saying they threatened or government financed or just plain ignore it and jump to something else?
here is a off subject regarding pulverization of concrete as per one of other conversations from one of those reports:
Energy Required to Produce All of Pulverized Concrete
Let us now check whether the gravitational energy delivered by impact sufficed to produce the
large amount of concrete dust on the ground. The dust particles generally ranged from Dmin
= 0.01 mm to Dmax = 0.1 mm. Substituting D = Dmax into Eq. (13), and considering, as an
upper bound, that all of the concrete of both towers (about Md = 14.6×107 kg) was pulverized,
lying on the ground, we can calculate an upper bound on the total impact energy Kt required
to produce all these particles, for both towers:
Kt =
3MdGF
ρD0.5
max
(D
−0.5
min − D
−0.5
max ) (21)
=
3 × (14.6 × 107
) kg × 20 J/m2
1500 kg/m3 × (100 µm)0.5
[(10 µm)−0.5 − (100 µm)−0.5
] = 12.63 × 1010 J (22)
Eq. (21) indicates the dissipation of about 865 J per kg of pulverized concrete, which is a
realistic value.
The total gravitational potential energy Πg released by one tower is calculated as the tower
weight multiplied by the distance between the mass centroid of the tower and the mass centroid
of the rubble heap on the ground, and is approximately Πg = 8.25×1011 J. Eq. (21) represents
only about 7.65 % of 2Πg (both towers). So there is far more impact energy than necessary
You are such a pathetic mental midget is not even funny, you post the links to the universities and a copy and paste from who knows what with no links to back it up and THEN you write that you are not going to the job for me although you are the Government nut huger in this thread trying to prove all CT's are wrong.
No wonder you take refugee in Getbig. God forbids you had to make an honest living in the real world through hard work, you would crumble in days I see.
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You are such a pathetic mental midget is not even funny, you post the links to the universities and a copy and paste from who knows what with no links to back it up and THEN you write that you are not going to the job for me although you are the Government nut huger in this thread trying to prove all CT's are wrong.
No wonder you take refugee in Getbig. God forbids you had to make an honest living in the real world through hard work, you would crumble in days I see.
Awee poor baby, you don't want to work for the truth do you?
Here, maybe your Messiah can soothe you:
(http://www.communitycurrency.org/dylanavery.jpg)
Look into his eyes long enough and your fears will be taken away.
He will expose the Jews!
He will show how his toy airplane didn't vaporize in his moms back yard.
Still up for our bet?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAH
Seriously what's wrong with you?
www.google.com NOT www.gayassparaniodsites. com
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Awee poor baby, you don't want to work for the truth do you?
Here, maybe your Messiah can soothe you:
(http://www.communitycurrency.org/dylanavery.jpg)
Look into his eyes long enough and your fears will be taken away.
He will expose the Jews!
He will show how his toy airplane didn't vaporize in his moms back yard.
Still up for our bet?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAH
Seriously what's wrong with you?
www.google.com NOT www.gayassparaniodsites. com
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKYrp61tfcXexld79tvJg_3Cg3QOC6rtwFbvKNqUTHR0pQ7MHvOA)
YOU ARE(http://www.relatably.com/m/img/pathetic-memes/41f51ea39e83fd4bee79cf629eb1951d1b89a35a1604df4da5452b5835e13036.jpg)
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From the article of pure fiction:
Karnes hadn't been near the World Trade Center. He wasn't even in New York when the planes hit the towers. He was in Wilton, Conn., working in his job as a senior accountant with Deloitte Touche. When the second plane hit, Karnes told his colleagues, "We're at war." He had spent 23 years in the Marine Corps infantry and felt it was his duty to help. Karnes told his boss he might not see him for a while.
Then he went to get a haircut.
The small barbershop in Stamford, Conn., near his home, was deserted. "Give me a good Marine Corps squared-off haircut," he told the barber. When it was done, he drove home to put on his uniform. Karnes always kept two sets of Marine fatigues hanging in his closet, pressed and starched. "It's kind of weird to do, but it comes in handy," he says. Next Karnes stopped by the storage facility where he kept his equipment—he'd need rappelling gear, ropes, canteens of water, his Marine Corps K-Bar knife, and a flashlight, at least. Then he drove to church. He asked the pastor and parishioners to say a prayer that God would lead him to survivors. A devout Christian, Karnes often turned to God when faced with decisions.
Finally, Karnes lowered the convertible top on his Porsche. This would make it easier for the authorities to look in and see a Marine, he reasoned. If they could see who he was, he'd be able to zip past checkpoints and more easily gain access to the site. For Karnes, it was a "God thing" that he was in the Porsche—a Porsche 911—that day. He'd only purchased it a month earlier—it had been a stretch, financially. But he decided to buy it after his pastor suggested that he "pray on it." He had no choice but to take it that day because his Mercury was in the shop. Driving the Porsche at speeds of up to 120 miles per hour, he reached Manhattan—after stopping at McDonald's for a hamburger—in the late afternoon.
His plan worked. With the top off, the cops could see his pressed fatigues, his neatly cropped hair, and his gear up front. They waved him past the barricades. He arrived at the site—"the pile"—at about 5:30. Building 7 of the World Trade Center, a 47-story office structure adjacent to the fallen twin towers, had just dramatically collapsed. Rescue workers had been ordered off the pile—it was too unsafe to let them continue. Flames were bursting from a number of buildings, and the whole site was considered unstable. Standing on the edge of the burning pile, Karnes spotted … another Marine dressed in camouflage. His name was Sgt. Thomas. Karnes never learned his first name, and he's never come forward in the time since.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/this_just_in/2002/09/an_unlikely_hero.html
You can't make this story up, and Ozmo the bozo pass this articles as truths for the people rescued on 9/11. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH AHAH
The idiot that keeps giving. You got me dying here with tears coming out of my eyes you imbecile.
Are you just stupid or something?
Guess once you "cherry pick" you stop altogether:
from the article:
Over and over, Karnes shouted the words. Then he would pause and listen. Debris was shifting and parts of the building were collapsing further. Fires burned all around. "I just had a sense, an overwhelming sense come over me that we were walking on hallowed ground, that tens of thousands of people could be trapped and dead beneath us," he said.
After about an hour of searching and yelling, Karnes stopped.
"Be quiet," he told Thomas, "I think I can hear something."
He yelled again. "We can hear you. Yell louder." He heard a faint muffled sound in the distance.
"Keep yelling. We can hear you." Karnes and Thomas zeroed in on the sound.
"We're over here," they heard.
Two Port Authority police officers, Will Jimeno and Sgt. John McLoughlin, were buried in the center of the World Trade Center ruins, 20 feet below the surface. They could be heard but not seen. By jumping into a larger opening, Karnes could hear Jimeno better. But he still couldn't see him. Karnes sent Thomas to look for help. Then he used his cellphone to call his wife, Rosemary, in Stamford and his sister Joy in Pittsburgh. (He thought they could work the phones and get through to New York Police Department headquarters.)
"Don't leave us," Jimeno pleaded. He later said he feared Karnes' voice would trail away, as had that of another potential rescuer hours earlier. It was now about 7 p.m. and Jimeno and McLoughlin had been trapped for roughly nine hours. Karnes stayed with them, talking to them until help arrived, in the form of Chuck Sereika, a former paramedic with an expired license who put pulled his old uniform out of his closet and came to the site. Ten minutes later, Scott Strauss and Paddy McGee, officers with the elite Emergency Service Unit of the NYPD, also arrived.
The story of how Strauss and Sereika spent three hours digging Jimeno out of the debris, which constantly threatened to collapse, has been well told in the New York Times and elsewhere. At one point, all they had with which to dig out Jimeno were a pair of handcuffs. Karnes stood by, helping pass tools to Strauss, offering his Marine K-Bar knife when it looked as if they might have to amputate Jimeno's leg to free him. (After Jimeno was finally pulled out, another team of cops worked for six more hours to free McLoughlin, who was buried deeper in the pile.)
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(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKYrp61tfcXexld79tvJg_3Cg3QOC6rtwFbvKNqUTHR0pQ7MHvOA)
Yes locked in your own little world, unwilling to come out of the paranoia closet.
Search the web, its easy, you will quickly find the articles and papers I talked about.
Or are you afraid?
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Are you just stupid or something?
Guess once you "cherry pick" you stop altogether:
from the article:
Over and over, Karnes shouted the words. Then he would pause and listen. Debris was shifting and parts of the building were collapsing further. Fires burned all around. "I just had a sense, an overwhelming sense come over me that we were walking on hallowed ground, that tens of thousands of people could be trapped and dead beneath us," he said.
After about an hour of searching and yelling, Karnes stopped.
"Be quiet," he told Thomas, "I think I can hear something."
He yelled again. "We can hear you. Yell louder." He heard a faint muffled sound in the distance.
"Keep yelling. We can hear you." Karnes and Thomas zeroed in on the sound.
"We're over here," they heard.
Two Port Authority police officers, Will Jimeno and Sgt. John McLoughlin, were buried in the center of the World Trade Center ruins, 20 feet below the surface. They could be heard but not seen. By jumping into a larger opening, Karnes could hear Jimeno better. But he still couldn't see him. Karnes sent Thomas to look for help. Then he used his cellphone to call his wife, Rosemary, in Stamford and his sister Joy in Pittsburgh. (He thought they could work the phones and get through to New York Police Department headquarters.)
"Don't leave us," Jimeno pleaded. He later said he feared Karnes' voice would trail away, as had that of another potential rescuer hours earlier. It was now about 7 p.m. and Jimeno and McLoughlin had been trapped for roughly nine hours. Karnes stayed with them, talking to them until help arrived, in the form of Chuck Sereika, a former paramedic with an expired license who put pulled his old uniform out of his closet and came to the site. Ten minutes later, Scott Strauss and Paddy McGee, officers with the elite Emergency Service Unit of the NYPD, also arrived.
The story of how Strauss and Sereika spent three hours digging Jimeno out of the debris, which constantly threatened to collapse, has been well told in the New York Times and elsewhere. At one point, all they had with which to dig out Jimeno were a pair of handcuffs. Karnes stood by, helping pass tools to Strauss, offering his Marine K-Bar knife when it looked as if they might have to amputate Jimeno's leg to free him. (After Jimeno was finally pulled out, another team of cops worked for six more hours to free McLoughlin, who was buried deeper in the pile.)
"Give me a good Marine Corps squared-off haircut," he told the barber. When it was done, he drove home to put on his uniform. Karnes always kept two sets of Marine fatigues hanging in his closet, pressed and starched. "It's kind of weird to do, but it comes in handy,"
Finally, Karnes lowered the convertible top on his Porsche. This would make it easier for the authorities to look in and see a Marine, he reasoned. If they could see who he was, he'd be able to zip past checkpoints and more easily gain access to the site. For Karnes, it was a "God thing" that he was in the Porsche—a Porsche 911—that day
His plan worked. With the top off, the cops could see his pressed fatigues, his neatly cropped hair, and his gear up front. They waved him past the barricades. He arrived at the site—"the pile"—at about 5:30. Building 7 of the World Trade Center,
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/this_just_in/2002/09/an_unlikely_hero.html
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"Give me a good Marine Corps squared-off haircut," he told the barber. When it was done, he drove home to put on his uniform. Karnes always kept two sets of Marine fatigues hanging in his closet, pressed and starched. "It's kind of weird to do, but it comes in handy,"
Finally, Karnes lowered the convertible top on his Porsche. This would make it easier for the authorities to look in and see a Marine, he reasoned. If they could see who he was, he'd be able to zip past checkpoints and more easily gain access to the site. For Karnes, it was a "God thing" that he was in the Porsche—a Porsche 911—that day
His plan worked. With the top off, the cops could see his pressed fatigues, his neatly cropped hair, and his gear up front. They waved him past the barricades. He arrived at the site—"the pile"—at about 5:30. Building 7 of the World Trade Center,
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/this_just_in/2002/09/an_unlikely_hero.html
so are you saying its not true?
Are you saying that he didn't rescue these 2 guys:(http://www.papba.org/images/bow-will-sgt.jpg)
don't exist?
and that the NY times is lying too?
from one of you gay ass sites:
http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/world_trade_center/mcloughlin_jimeno.html (http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/world_trade_center/mcloughlin_jimeno.html)
McLoughlin and Jimeno were among only four survivors pulled from the rubble by rescue teams. Only Genelle Guzman spent longer in the rubble -- 27 hours.
The rescuers included Marine Corps Staff Sergeant David Karnes and Sergeant Thomas, New York City police officers Scott Strauss and Paddy McGee, Det. John Busching,
what kind of stupid are you?
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so are you saying its not true?
Are you saying that he didn't rescue these 2 guys:(http://www.papba.org/images/bow-will-sgt.jpg)
don't exist?
and that the NY times is lying too?
from one of you gay ass sites:
http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/world_trade_center/mcloughlin_jimeno.html (http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/world_trade_center/mcloughlin_jimeno.html)
McLoughlin and Jimeno were among only four survivors pulled from the rubble by rescue teams. Only Genelle Guzman spent longer in the rubble -- 27 hours.
The rescuers included Marine Corps Staff Sergeant David Karnes and Sergeant Thomas, New York City police officers Scott Strauss and Paddy McGee, Det. John Busching,
what kind of stupid are you?
Jessica Lynch, does that ring a bell to you imbecile? Same with this bullshit story. And the link below his name doens't work and of course there is no pictures of that day with him there to prove this fictional act of bravery.
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Jessica Lynch, does that ring a bell to you imbecile? Same with this bullshit story. And the link below his name doens't work and of course there is no pictures of that day with him there to prove this fictional act of bravery.
OMG lolololololololololololo lololololol
What kind of stupid you are has been revealed.
Grand conspiracy nut job you are
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA H
Get help seriously
You belong in an institution.
And let's face facts, from past experience with you, even with pictures you would still fight it.
I was just needling you earlier in the thread about a CT'ers mental health. but you need help, professional help.
Get some dude.
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so are you saying its not true?
Are you saying that he didn't rescue these 2 guys:(http://www.papba.org/images/bow-will-sgt.jpg)
don't exist?
and that the NY times is lying too?
from one of you gay ass sites:
http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/world_trade_center/mcloughlin_jimeno.html (http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/world_trade_center/mcloughlin_jimeno.html)
McLoughlin and Jimeno were among only four survivors pulled from the rubble by rescue teams. Only Genelle Guzman spent longer in the rubble -- 27 hours.
The rescuers included Marine Corps Staff Sergeant David Karnes and Sergeant Thomas, New York City police officers Scott Strauss and Paddy McGee, Det. John Busching,
what kind of stupid are you? Friends with Paddy McGee/great guy/real hero/had a fidget play him in the movie but big guy in real life/real humble
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OMG lolololololololololololo lololololol
What kind of stupid you are has been revealed.
Grand conspiracy nut job you are
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA H
Get help seriously
You belong in an institution.
And let's face facts, from past experience with you, even with pictures you would still fight it.
I was just needling you earlier in the thread about a CT'ers mental health. but you need help, professional help.
Get some dude.
[b]HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
The Man Who Declared Having Studied 9/11 for 9-10 years and been debunking CT's for another 9 years.
What a Goverment Dick Rider Shill!!!
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Today you broke all records on stupid.
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Ozmo "The Legend On His Own Mind"
That's what you have been doing this whole time: Getting Exposed!!!
Man up & shut da fuck up!!!
All you been doing is getting:[/b]
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Jessica Lynch, does that ring a bell to you imbecile? Same with this bullshit story. And the link below his name doens't work and of course there is no pictures of that day with him there to prove this fictional act of bravery.
What kind of stupid you are has been revealed.
Grand conspiracy nut job you are
Get help seriously
You belong in an institution.
And let's face facts, from past experience with you, even with pictures you would still fight it.
I was just needling you earlier in the thread about a CT'ers mental health. but you need help, professional help.
Get some dude.
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Lol @ Ozmo entertaining the whackjobs.
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So then you agree that there were temperatures in there hot enough to melt, steel together. Yet the official narrative was that the fires were not hot enough to melt the steel, only to weaken it...
How is it that after the collapse, in the midst of all that rubble, dust etc, that the fires were able to get hotter? Let alone to burn over that temperature threshold for 3 months straight...?
There was nothing in the towers burning so hot that it would melted steel. That is technically impossible, while quite high temperatures were still possible. Only stupid's underestimate the force of fires at the buildings, because they doesn't have any kind of sense of proportion. If steel is heated above 200°C/392°F, it start to weaken and at 800°C/1472°F it has only 40% it's original strength. That kind of temperatures you find easily from any fire, and if the balance of the building is altered by crashing airplanes in it, that would be enough to start the collapse. If we get higher temperatures than 800°C/1472°F, steel would be even softer and weaker. Blacksmiths are using temperatures between 800 and 1000°C when they are making their products, 800°C is red hot and easy to forge by hammer. That's why there is horse shoes, knives, swords etc. made from steel from ancient times to present time. How about thermite? When you ignite it, it start to burn and turn in to superhot liquid, which has temperature of ~2900°C/5252°F. That temperature would be white hot, bright as hell, just about same than lightning. If there would be tons of it, would that light be visible? In fact it would have been many times brighter than sun..
How many cars was in the parking lot under the towers? What was the fire load in the 13,400,000 square feet office space? Average fire load of the office buildings is 420MJ per m², just in the towers 1 & 2 would have 585279 m² office space, and if we multiply 420MJ with that, we get 245 817 180 MJ = 245.8 TJ = 245.8 tera joules of energy. That is quite a large amount of energy, and it will burn long time + all of those cars and the fuel in them. How to compare units which are too large to understand?
245.8 tera joules = 1439378.54 gallons of kerosene, or 8387.48 tons of coal, or 58.75 kilotons of explosives. As I say, quite a lot of energy, isn't it? You could warm up the ruins for months, or all cabins of the Alaska thru the winter ;D
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That's been answered time and again. Steel only needs to heat to certain point and will continue until it begin to burn and melt.
Also there were many other metals in the WTCs and as fires burned there are pics of molten metal dropping.
(http://www.attivissimo.net/11settembre/recensioni/south-tower-molten-metal.jpg)
If you look at the video, that metal which is dripping out from the building is dimming fast and forming white flakes while it cools down. Only aluminum cools down so fast and forms flakes, steel would keep its heat longer and form black droplets. That is how they make shotgun pellets even today: they pour melted steel from the high tower to the pool filled with water, and what they get is perfectly round pellets, which are black as steel. Common knowledge..
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Lol. WTC 7 was hit by planes? :o Oh, no!!! It wasn't, but it got hit by tons of debris which non of you two retards can prove, but guess what? Here is a couple pictures that proves that theory to be false, moronic piece of shit, with an IQ lower than room temperature. Do you get it?
How many buildings did fell on 9/11 that weren't lease by Larry Silverstein? Who I may add leased the twin towers knowing they were full of asbestos and would have had to replace it costing him in the billions and 6 weeks prior 9/11 he double the insurance against terrorist attacks? I will be waiting for the answer you imbecile little man.
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/media.wbur.org/wordpress/12/files/2011/08/0825_911_crop-500x300.jpg)
(http://www.fdnytenhouse.com/911/remember/images/wtc_photo.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/World_Trade_Center_Site_After_9-11_Attacks_With_Original_Building_Locations.jpg)
So you are denying that WTC 1 fell over WTC 7 and make serious damages, even there is videos and pictures which proves it? That is called stupidity, which is based on the blind faith. Videos and pictures proves that WTC 1 collide to WTC 7, and you don't have anything which even could prove it didn't. You even prove it by yourself by linking pictures where we can see that there is pieces of WTC 1 on the ruins of WTC 7. And why those tiny shitty pictures, while you could use pictures like this:
http://www.911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/gzaerial3.html (http://www.911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/gzaerial3.html)
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/wtc/images/wtc-photo.jpg (http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/wtc/images/wtc-photo.jpg)
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If it wasn't investigated to begin with how di Fuck can I prove anything from my house you piece of shit, how dumb are you? That you keep coming back with the same rederick after all the information we have put up here from experts and witneses on 9/11.
(http://noethics.net/News/images/stories/imbecile2.jpg)
Nano-thermite explosives shown above were gathered from the WTC debris shortly after the towers fell on 9/11. Brigham Young University Physics Professor, Dr. Steven Jones, discovered the explosives and joined an international team of nine scientists for further analysis. Through extensive laboratory testing, the scientists concluded that the samples were Nano-thermitic explosives. After a rigorous peer-review process, their paper was published in the Bentham Chemical Physics Journal, which has been endorsed by Nobel Laureates and is respected within the scientific community.
http://investigate911.org/
If you want to prove you are an imbecile, you couldn't do better job than this. Who need the fucking foil hat experts while it is undeniably clear for anyone, that there isn't such thing as invisible explosions. It is simple basic physics, which seem to be complete unknown for you. I have explained this time after time, but it doesn't fit in your tiny little brains. And there isn't such thing as nano thermite explosions, there is 0 evidence about the nano thermite, and there wasn't any nano thermite at 2001. You should know this if you have a brains, but obvious reasons you don't know it. Do you even know what the fuck that "nano" means? It is a particle size, meaning nano millimeter, and for doing something small as that, you need a modern tools which use plasma to disintegrate material small particles like nano particles. At 2001 there wasn't such tools on this planet, so all claims about the nano thermite are idiotic lies. Just as Niels Harrits so called evidences about it:
Straight from his study (http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/docs/chip_photomicrographs.png)
Do you see those white little numbers and letters in the picture? That is called a "scale" and the problem is that those particles are + 200 µm wide as you see. Nano particles are 250 000 times smaller, so that crap can't be nano thermite. Furthermore, these assclowns didn't have anything straight from the ground zero. Do you understand? Nothing. All they got was pieces which they get from the people who take them from the ground zero as a memorabilia, and they get this material years after attack. a) you can't know if those particles are from the towers, or leftovers from the thermal lances used in the ruins. b) thermite and so called nano thermite is just mix of iron and aluminum oxides, meaning rust and oxidized aluminum. Would it be miracle if residues of these quite common materials is found from the ruins of the building made from steel and aluminum? As I have said over and over again, these foil hats are lying to you. It is simple as that ;D
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FACTS on 9/11 you imbecile.
The commission never investigated for explosives.
And simply reason for this is that they were investigating reality, not wet dreams of foil hat morons. Blind man could see using his forehead that there wasn't any explosions, so why the fuck they should investigate it?
The Bush Administration resisted the formation of the 9/11 Commission for 441 days. Similar Investigation, such as those for Pearl Harbor, The JFK Assassination, and The Space Shuttle Disasters, all started in about a week.
PENTTBOM is the codename for the Federal Bureau of Investigation's probe into the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on New York City, New York, and Washington, D.C., the largest criminal inquiry in United States history. Its name stands for 'Pentagon/Twin Towers Bombing Investigation'. The investigation was launched on September 11, 2001 and involved 7,000 of the FBI's then 11,000 special agents. They did the footwork which take time, commission studied the findings and write the report. Quite simple..
The WTC steel was quickly shipped overseas and melted down. This was an unprecedented violation of Federal Crime Scene Laws.
Why? Everyone but the dumbest part of the mankind aka foil hat morons knows what happen, and no one cares what foil hat morons think about it. Do I have to remind that you don't have even a single evidence to prove your conspiracy theory, starting those explosions? Do I have to remind you what the "reasonable doubt" means?
The Project for a New America Century(PNAC) requested "a new Peal Harbor" on September of
2000.
Futile crap, that's all,
Osama Bin Laden was NOT wanted by the FBI for the 9/11 attacks. Was reported dead in
December 2001.
Do FBI deal with the military missions? Futile foil hat crap, nothing more..
The bullshit investigation was never set to find the truth, that's is why this movement has not died, and it grows every year. But of course you wouldn't know because you are a RETARDED INBREED FROM FINLAND that knows jack shit about the USA, does this get trough you? Obvious it will not, but we will preveal.
You call these facts? Investigation was bullshit because you, moronic child say so? Quite impressive facts, just like you could expect from idiotic piece of shit like you. Let me explain this little detail to you:
FACTS ARE THINGS YOU CAN PROVE BY EVIDENCE. Now you know what the word means, so don't abuse it with the crap like that ;D
And why I should know shit about the USA, while I know explosives, physics, etc. which you don't know shit? Do I have to remind you that out of two of us, you are the imbecile who believes that there is invisible explosions? What are you, kid from the pre school? Handicapped moron? What in the name of god could be that stupid?
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The only person who needs to fuck off from this thread is you, THE RETARDED INBREED FROM FINLAND who I keep owning, and the other troll and big time dishonest piece of shit Ozmo.
This video is non other than a theory which would explain the pulverization of the debris of the twin towers from a prestigious GERMAN magazine. Which last time I check is a way superior country than your silly bitch community of retarded northern Europeans in Finland, lol.
(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/aerial-view-looking-down-at-the-world-trade-center-towers-picture-id53374589)(http://cdn.loc.gov/service/pnp/highsm/14300/14357v.jpg)
(http://www.capelinks.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/twin-towers.jpg)
(http://www.fdnytenhouse.com/911/remember/images/wtc_photo.jpg)(http://cdn2.wn.com/o25/ph/img/15/2b/067942fda4bf7160899eab65367c-grande.jpg)
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Ground Zero – Nuclear Demolition of the World Trade Center.
An improved English version of the scandalous article from the NEXUS German magazine.
11. September: Die dritte Wahrheit
September 11 - The Third Truth.
(English version with additional videos and photos)
http://www.911thology.com/nexus1.html
Along with older English dictionaries, for the same reason, these photographs could also be used to show the molten rock left behind after the underground cavities were created by nuclear explosions under all three buildings of the World Trade Center. They eventually cooled down and were, at last, cleared of all remaining radioactive materials
(http://www.911thology.com/nexus1_files/image129.jpg)(http://www.911thology.com/nexus1_files/image130.jpg)
And you are getting sicker day by day? Nuclear demolition without any kind of blast, without any radiation, not even broken windows and buildings collapsed starting from top? And you believe that crap? Please, shot yourself before you are running amok in some schoolhouse, you moron. Why you call it molten rock, while pictures are taken at the island, where those kind of geologic patterns are common. Have you ever heard about lava? That is handbook definition of the melted bedrock, and that doesn't look anything like it ;D
http://en.lmgtfy.com/?q=pictures+about+the+erosion+pothole+in+the+bedrock (http://en.lmgtfy.com/?q=pictures+about+the+erosion+pothole+in+the+bedrock)
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Links for proof you idiot.
Instead of using your empty rotten brains, use your eyes: you can't see any explosions at any video filmed at 9/11 attack. It can't be simpler than that? I have asked dozens of times that you point out those explosions, so you have to know there is nothing that kind to see. 1 + 1 = 2
If you can't see them, if there is no evidence at all, there isn't any explosions. Do you understand, you ridiculous piece of shit? There is no such thing as invisible explosions at the glass house..
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Talking about intellectual dishonesty. That video proofed why the coroner on Shankville was lying through his teeth and how easy he got exposed.
He recanted his story because to him it was clear the terrorists killed the passenger.
How that fuck could he come to that conclusion if he did not see a drop of blood? Other than been told the story to which he had adhere to.
Shanksville Coroner: No Bodies Found at 9/11 'Crash' Site
Wallace Miller is the coroner of Somerset County, Pennsylvania. He was among the first people to arrive at the alleged Flight 93 crash site on the morning of 9/11.
He later recounted to the Washington Post what he’d seen when he first got there:
“I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there. It became like a giant funeral service.” (Peter Perl, “Hallowed Ground,” Washington Post, 5/12/2002)
Since there were 44 people on board Flight 93, a crash site with “no bodies” makes no sense. Where were the victims? Something appears to have been seriously wrong. Yet Miller now seems to dispute his earlier claim.
In the recent BBC documentary 9/11: The Conspiracy Files, he explained:
“I said that I stopped being a coroner after about 20 minutes because it was perfectly clear what the cause and manner of death was gonna be.
"This is the most eerie thing. I have not, to this day, seen a single drop of blood. Not a drop."
It was a plane crash but yet it was a homicide because the terrorists hijacked the plane and killed the people, and the terrorists committed suicide.
“The 33 passengers, seven crew and four hijackers together weighed roughly 7,000 pounds. … Hundreds of searchers who climbed the hemlocks and combed the woods for weeks [after 9/11] were able to find about 1,500 mostly scorched samples of human tissue totaling less than 600 pounds, or about 8 percent of the total.” (Peter Perl, “Hallowed Ground,” Washington Post, 5/12/2002)
http://humansarefree.com/2015/03/shanksville-coroner-no-bodies-found-at.html
Idiot. When the plane is smashed in the particles spread on the area of 1.5 square miles, do you really think that there is bleeding body's? You really doesn't have even the child sense of proportion. The coroner said that because all he found was shreds of minced meat, not bodies, not blood, just shreds, and that explains everything he said. What comes to that other crap, it is a common knowledge that 70% of human body is water. If we tear you just as tiny shreds and throw that shit in to the woods, it take just hours when 50% is eaten by animals, birds etc. so would it be a miracle that they found so little? I bet there were some fat crows walking around because they were too full to fly ;D
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(http://www.911thology.com/nexus1_files/image080.jpg)(http://www.911thology.com/nexus1_files/image109.gif)
Above: profiles of the remaining core WTC columns found at “Ground Zero”; their comparative thickness can be easily estimated; actually they feature walls that are 2.5 inches thick; such thick columns made of steel constituted both – the cores and the entire perimeters of the Twin Towers.
(http://www.shockmansion.com/wp-content/myimages/2015/12/molten-steel-at-wtc.jpg)
Bullshit. You can't prove even a word from that pile of shit. As I have pointed out, only party who talks about melted steel is foil hat idiots, and the statements of the morons doesn't chance that even a bit. Yet again you are calling pile of opinions to evidence? Please explain with your own words how these policemen etc. would be able to see the difference between melted steel or melted aluminum? There wasn't any temperatures which would be enough to melt steel, but aluminum melts in few hundred degree of Celsius, and there were hundred of tons of aluminum in those buildings. If aluminum is melted and heated up to 800 -1000°C, it is white hot liquid just as melted steel, but it has much lower temperature. This is common knowledge, and only reason why you don't know this, is the fact that you are just a stupid brat. Have a nice weekend ;D
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And simply reason for this is that they were investigating reality, not wet dreams of foil hat morons. Blind man could see using his forehead that there wasn't any explosions, so why the fuck they should investigate it?
PENTTBOM is the codename for the Federal Bureau of Investigation's probe into the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on New York City, New York, and Washington, D.C., the largest criminal inquiry in United States history. Its name stands for 'Pentagon/Twin Towers Bombing Investigation'. The investigation was launched on September 11, 2001 and involved 7,000 of the FBI's then 11,000 special agents. They did the footwork which take time, commission studied the findings and write the report. Quite simple..
Why? Everyone but the dumbest part of the mankind aka foil hat morons knows what happen, and no one cares what foil hat morons think about it. Do I have to remind that you don't have even a single evidence to prove your conspiracy theory, starting those explosions? Do I have to remind you what the "reasonable doubt" means?
Futile crap, that's all,
Do FBI deal with the military missions? Futile foil hat crap, nothing more..
You call these facts? Investigation was bullshit because you, moronic child say so? Quite impressive facts, just like you could expect from idiotic piece of shit like you. Let me explain this little detail to you:
FACTS ARE THINGS YOU CAN PROVE BY EVIDENCE. Now you know what the word means, so don't abuse it with the crap like that ;D
And why I should know shit about the USA, while I know explosives, physics, etc. which you don't know shit? Do I have to remind you that out of two of us, you are the imbecile who believes that there is invisible explosions? What are you, kid from the pre school? Handicapped moron? What in the name of god could be that stupid?
It didn't take long for you to get exposed Eh? HAHAHAHAHAHAH
Ropo= Ozmo guimik account.
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And simply reason for this is that they were investigating reality, not wet dreams of foil hat morons. Blind man could see using his forehead that there wasn't any explosions, so why the fuck they should investigate it?
PENTTBOM is the codename for the Federal Bureau of Investigation's probe into the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on New York City, New York, and Washington, D.C., the largest criminal inquiry in United States history. Its name stands for 'Pentagon/Twin Towers Bombing Investigation'. The investigation was launched on September 11, 2001 and involved 7,000 of the FBI's then 11,000 special agents. They did the footwork which take time, commission studied the findings and write the report. Quite simple..
Why? Everyone but the dumbest part of the mankind aka foil hat morons knows what happen, and no one cares what foil hat morons think about it. Do I have to remind that you don't have even a single evidence to prove your conspiracy theory, starting those explosions? Do I have to remind you what the "reasonable doubt" means?
Futile crap, that's all,
Do FBI deal with the military missions? Futile foil hat crap, nothing more..
You call these facts? Investigation was bullshit because you, moronic child say so? Quite impressive facts, just like you could expect from idiotic piece of shit like you. Let me explain this little detail to you:
FACTS ARE THINGS YOU CAN PROVE BY EVIDENCE. Now you know what the word means, so don't abuse it with the crap like that ;D
And why I should know shit about the USA, while I know explosives, physics, etc. which you don't know shit? Do I have to remind you that out of two of us, you are the imbecile who believes that there is invisible explosions? What are you, kid from the pre school? Handicapped moron? What in the name of god could be that stupid?
(http://www.generadormemes.com/media/created/co1048tnuyzjj1lrd4wpm30gg3ehgk85t2eyfd381cvbttn15clacwe5lt5496k.jpg)
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Lol @ Ozmo entertaining the whackjobs.
Yeah this kid is mentally ill.
After several rounds of providing proof about the rescue of Will Jimeno and Sgt. John McLoughlin by David Karnes brought about by claiming nothing human survived bigger than 2 inches from the WTC's where it was shown 12-20 people survived , he couldn't even concede a point that his own CT web sites were saying so he cites the Jessica Lynch story as examples of Bull Shit stories because there were no photographs at the scene.
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Beware of M4tad0r
His posting and behavior suggests he is mentally ill and unstable.
It might be argued that because he speculates that the WTC's were brought down by nukes, that he's a nutjob. But that's not it. Some people's CTs can get fantasy prone.
What makes him potentially unstable and mentally ill is what seems to be his complete paranoia about the world around him.
After several rounds of providing proof about the rescue of Will Jimeno and Sgt. John McLoughlin by David Karnes brought about by claiming nothing human survived bigger than 2 inches from the WTC's where it was shown 12-20 people survived , he couldn't even concede a point that his own CT web sites were saying so he cites the Jessica Lynch story as examples of Bull Shit stories because there were no photographs at the scene.
Jessica Lynch, does that ring a bell to you imbecile? Same with this bullshit story. And the link below his name doens't work and of course there is no pictures of that day with him there to prove this fictional act of bravery.
In addition, he has a compulsive habit of spamming the board with attacks to anyone that disagrees with him, spamming youtube vids and images and cannot keep agreements of civil discussion.
http://www.emergenceplus.org.uk/what-is-personality-disorder/94-diagnosis.html?start=1 (http://www.emergenceplus.org.uk/what-is-personality-disorder/94-diagnosis.html?start=1)
from the article:
Preoccupied by conspiratorial ways of understanding personal and world events e.g. seeing events as part of ‘conspiracy theories’ or as people joining together to act against you.
________________________ ________________________ ______
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoid_personality_disorder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoid_personality_disorder)
From wiki
Paranoid personality disorder (PPD) is a mental disorder characterized by paranoia and a pervasive, long-standing suspiciousness and generalized mistrust of others. Individuals with this personality disorder may be hypersensitive, easily feel slighted, and habitually relate to the world by vigilant scanning of the environment for clues or suggestions that may validate their fears or biases. Paranoid individuals are eager observers. They think they are in danger and look for signs and threats of that danger, potentially not appreciating other evidence.[1]
________________________ ________________________ ______
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/64114756/the-psychology-of-conspiracy-belief (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/64114756/the-psychology-of-conspiracy-belief)
You don't have to be mad to create conspiracy theories, but it certainly helps, new research suggests.
Just believing in them indicates you are more likely to be paranoid or mentally ill, a Victoria University study shows.
Widely held conspiracy theories range from harmless ones, such as the belief that the Moon landings were faked, to more dangerous delusions such as the one in Nigeria that polio vaccines were a Western plot to sterilise people. That led to vaccination crews being murdered and thousands dying from disease.
Clinical psychologist Darshani Kumareswaran is delving in to the psychology of conspiracy belief, and has found some believers are likely to endorse far-fetched plots in an effort to make sense of chaotic situations beyond their contro
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other than the Saudis having involvement - every single idioctic CT has been completely proven to be utter horseshit.
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(http://www.generadormemes.com/media/created/z0z484ufif7ahjg4t5b8hfeab0x3cq7lozjyg3ti25moknfgmkhfgsynn8p7wus.jpg)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH
3 in one, the holy trinity of stupidity united as one, now every thing makes sense with return of the biggest Government Dick Rider of all time: Soul Crusher.
Ropo(The guimmik), Ozmo the retard and finally the grand master Government Dick Rider: Soul Crusher.
Ozmo you just got exposed you imbecile and you keep posting. Your level of absurdity knows no boundaries. Only people with an IQ below room temperature would not see through you.
Now to try to level me as paranoid or mentally ill.
Soul Crusher, the mentally ill who had to restart his account when Obama destroyed his gimmick republican party in '12. Lol
Ozmo "The Legend On His Own Mind"
That's what you have been doing this whole time: Getting Exposed!!!
Man up & shut da fuck up!!!
All you been doing is getting:[/b]
(http://media.funlol.com/content/img/kid-gets-owned.jpg)
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Beware of M4tad0r
His posting and behavior suggests he is mentally ill and unstable.
It might be argued that because he speculates that the WTC's were brought down by nukes, that he's a nutjob. But that's not it. Some people's CTs can get fantasy prone.
What makes him potentially unstable and mentally ill is what seems to be his complete paranoia about the world around him.
After several rounds of providing proof about the rescue of Will Jimeno and Sgt. John McLoughlin by David Karnes brought about by claiming nothing human survived bigger than 2 inches from the WTC's where it was shown 12-20 people survived , he couldn't even concede a point that his own CT web sites were saying so he cites the Jessica Lynch story as examples of Bull Shit stories because there were no photographs at the scene.
Jessica Lynch, does that ring a bell to you imbecile? Same with this bullshit story. And the link below his name doens't work and of course there is no pictures of that day with him there to prove this fictional act of bravery.
In addition, he has a compulsive habit of spamming the board with attacks to anyone that disagrees with him, spamming youtube vids and images and cannot keep agreements of civil discussion.
http://www.emergenceplus.org.uk/what-is-personality-disorder/94-diagnosis.html?start=1 (http://www.emergenceplus.org.uk/what-is-personality-disorder/94-diagnosis.html?start=1)
from the article:
Preoccupied by conspiratorial ways of understanding personal and world events e.g. seeing events as part of ‘conspiracy theories’ or as people joining together to act against you.
________________________ ________________________ ______
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoid_personality_disorder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoid_personality_disorder)
From wiki
Paranoid personality disorder (PPD) is a mental disorder characterized by paranoia and a pervasive, long-standing suspiciousness and generalized mistrust of others. Individuals with this personality disorder may be hypersensitive, easily feel slighted, and habitually relate to the world by vigilant scanning of the environment for clues or suggestions that may validate their fears or biases. Paranoid individuals are eager observers. They think they are in danger and look for signs and threats of that danger, potentially not appreciating other evidence.[1]
________________________ ________________________ ______
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/64114756/the-psychology-of-conspiracy-belief (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/64114756/the-psychology-of-conspiracy-belief)
You don't have to be mad to create conspiracy theories, but it certainly helps, new research suggests.
Just believing in them indicates you are more likely to be paranoid or mentally ill, a Victoria University study shows.
Widely held conspiracy theories range from harmless ones, such as the belief that the Moon landings were faked, to more dangerous delusions such as the one in Nigeria that polio vaccines were a Western plot to sterilise people. That led to vaccination crews being murdered and thousands dying from disease.
Clinical psychologist Darshani Kumareswaran is delving in to the psychology of conspiracy belief, and has found some believers are likely to endorse far-fetched plots in an effort to make sense of chaotic situations beyond their contro
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Matador, still looking at that.
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other than the Saudis having involvement - every single idioctic CT has been completely proven to be utter horseshit.
The "theories" which are "offered" are fake.
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Matador, still looking at that.
This was about the AGM-158 JASSM. And no, I don't think it's necessarily too far-out.
The more I see, though, the easier it is for me to call all damage as being from the plane. And if someone intended for additional damage to occur beyond what the plane would cause, I'm trying to figure out why explosives wouldn't be the preferred choice over what a missile would require.
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Did M4tad0r seal his house with aluminum foil yet?
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Is anyone having a difficult time realizing the meaning of this video? I should have asked, before. (I don't mean you, Matador... I wanted to go through this before.)
You can watch through, say, 1:20 - 1:30. You will see white blur appear and disappear etc., and if you look immediately above and to the left of that white blur (but attached to it in appearance), you will see the plane appear as a very fast-moving streak.
Re-do and pause on 1:26, so you can see the image frozen.
[ Invalid YouTube link ]
First of all: Does anyone deny seeing something? Does anyone deny it is a plane? Does anyone deny it is the plane (Flight 77)?
I want to get this out of the way.
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Is anyone having a difficult time realizing the meaning of this video? I should have asked, before. (I don't mean you, Matador... I wanted to go through this before.)
You can watch through, say, 1:20 - 1:30. You will see white blur appear and disappear etc., and if you look immediately above and to the left of that white blur (but attached to it in appearance), you will see the plane appear as a very fast-moving streak.
Re-do and pause on 1:26, so you can see the image frozen.
[ Invalid YouTube link ]
First of all: Does anyone deny seeing something? Does anyone deny it is a plane? Does anyone deny it is the plane (Flight 77)?
I want to get this out of the way.
The AGM-158 JASSM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Agm-158_JASSM.jpg)
Compare 1:16 :o 1:24 :o
(http://911review.org/_webimages/noplane/hole4_3.JPG)(http://cdns.yournewswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/missile-pentagon-720x350.jpg)
(http://pop.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/06/54cfc89463442_-_pentagon-hole-de.jpg)
The JASSM is a conventionally armed, low observable cruise missile designed to destroy the enemy's high-value targets from aircraft that can be launched from outside the area defenses. The missile has automatic target recognition, autonomous guidance, precision accuracy, and a J-1000 warhead optimized for penetration and carrying a new high-yield explosive. These characteristics give JASSM capabilities against heavily defended hard targets such as aircraft shelters and underground command posts, as well as soft targets such as rail yards.
http://911review.org/brad.com/noplane.html
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Pentagon Renovation
Renovation Program Had Hardened the Facade Attacked on 9/11/01
The renovation program included the following improvements to the building:
Exterior walls reinforced with steel
Exterior walls backed with Kevlar
Blast-resistant windows installed
Fire sprinklers installed
Automatic fire doors installed
Building operations and control center created
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An article in Structure Magazine provided background on the project. It cited the April 19, 1995 bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City as the motivation for the renovation program. It noted that the original design was constrained by the material demands of World War II.
The extensive use of reinforced concrete and non-reinforced masonry was one concession. Certainly the threat of any kind of terrorist attack on the building was far from the thoughts of the original designers. As a result, the Pentagon was constructed with a thin limestone facade over a brick infill between reinforced concrete floors, structurally supported by a reinforced concrete beam and column frame. Enough to protect from the elements but not from the potential forces of significant blast events. 2
LINK
Steel Reinforcements
The steel reinforcements to the walls consisted of tubular frames surrounding the window openings and attaching to the reinforced concrete floor slabs. Each windowed wall panel (between vertical concrete columns) was retrofitted with a piece consisting of two horizontal tubes welded to two vertical tubes running from the floor to the ceiling. 3
(http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/docs/pentagon_retrofit.jpg)
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Most CT'ers I have dealt with don't even know what that BS is because they have never heavily read or researched it. And when presented with evidence that directly invalidates CT'er arguments they hide their head in the sand or make excuses. And instead hold on to flawed logic, false premises, and rhetoric as if its some sort of scriptural truth.
Omissions From the 9/11 Commision Report
The Report fails to acknowledge that no steel-framed high-rise building has ever collapsed due to fires.
The Report fails to mention the total collapse of 47-story steel-framed skyscraper Building 7 at 5:20 on the day of the attack.
The Report contains no mention of the interview in which the owner of Building 7 states that he and the Fire Department decided to "pull" Building 7 -- an apparent admission of a conspiracy to destroy the building and its contents.
The Report fails to mention the rapid removal and recycling of the structural steel from the collapsed World Trade Center buildings, even to make excuses for it.
The Report makes no mention of a statement by then-Mayor Rudolph Giuliani to Peter Jennings indicating he had foreknowledge of the collapses: "We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse, and it did collapse before we could get out of the building."
The Report contains no mentions of eyewitness accounts of explosions preceding the collapse of South Towers.
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The Report fails to mention that George W. Bush's brother, Marvin Bush, and his cousin, Wirt Walker III, were principals in the company that had the contract to provide security for the World Trade Center, Stratesec, nor does it mention the company.
The Report makes no mention of the fact that a new lessor took control of the World Trade Center complex just six weeks before the attack, obtained an insurance policy covering terrorist attacks, and successfully sued the insurance companies to obtain twice the multi-billion-dollar value of the policy.
The Report repeats the list of 19 suspects identified by the FBI within days of the attack, while failing to mention that six of them reported themselves alive after the attack.
The Report fails to mention any of the reports of behavior by the alleged hijackers before the attack that belie the official story that they were devout Muslims on a suicide mission for Allah.
The Report fails to mention that the published passenger lists contained no Arab names -- a fact publicized by skeptics of the official story.
The Report fails to ask why the plane that crashed into the Pentagon was not stopped by anti-aircraft missile batteries that presumably ring the building.
The Report fails to mention that no credible footage of the Pentagon attack has been made public, despite public knowledge that the FBI seized footage of the attack from nearby businesses.
The Report does not ask why the Secret Service did not obtain air cover for the President's motorcade from the Sarasota school to the airport, nor for Air Force One, which took off at about 9:54, until about 11:10.
The Report avoids mentioning several reports that government officials and business leaders received warnings and avoided targets of the attacks, including:
A warning by the FBI advising Attorney General John Ashcroft to avoid flying on commercial airlines.
The report that Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans the evening before the attack.
A warning to San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown to avoid flying.
The grounding of Salman Rushdie by Scotland Yard.
The Report avoids mentioning a warning received by employees of Odigo hours before the attack.
The Report does not mention that letters with weaponized anthrax were sent to the two most powerful senators attempting to slow the passage of the 9/11/01 attack-predicated USA PATRIOT Act.
The Report states that the Commission was "chartered to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including preparedness for and the
immediate response to the attacks," but fails to mention that it makes no attempt to meet its charter.
http://911research.wtc7.net/post911/commission/report.html
9-11 Commission Report
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/
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(http://cdns.yournewswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/missile-pentagon-720x350.jpg)
I believe it's possible that image may have been faked from this:
(http://s33.postimg.org/4w88cjf1b/fake.jpg)
https://www.metabunk.org/data/MetaMirrorCache/contrailscience.com_skitch_vehicle4_20120625_135849.jpg
(https://www.metabunk.org/data/MetaMirrorCache/contrailscience.com_skitch_vehicle4_20120625_135849.jpg)
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Omissions From the 9/11 Commision Report
The Report fails to acknowledge that no steel-framed high-rise building has ever collapsed due to fires.
The Report fails to mention the total collapse of 47-story steel-framed skyscraper Building 7 at 5:20 on the day of the attack.
The Report contains no mention of the interview in which the owner of Building 7 states that he and the Fire Department decided to "pull" Building 7 -- an apparent admission of a conspiracy to destroy the building and its contents.
The Report fails to mention the rapid removal and recycling of the structural steel from the collapsed World Trade Center buildings, even to make excuses for it.
The Report makes no mention of a statement by then-Mayor Rudolph Giuliani to Peter Jennings indicating he had foreknowledge of the collapses: "We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse, and it did collapse before we could get out of the building."
The Report contains no mentions of eyewitness accounts of explosions preceding the collapse of South Towers.
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The Report fails to mention that George W. Bush's brother, Marvin Bush, and his cousin, Wirt Walker III, were principals in the company that had the contract to provide security for the World Trade Center, Stratesec, nor does it mention the company.
The Report makes no mention of the fact that a new lessor took control of the World Trade Center complex just six weeks before the attack, obtained an insurance policy covering terrorist attacks, and successfully sued the insurance companies to obtain twice the multi-billion-dollar value of the policy.
The Report repeats the list of 19 suspects identified by the FBI within days of the attack, while failing to mention that six of them reported themselves alive after the attack.
The Report fails to mention any of the reports of behavior by the alleged hijackers before the attack that belie the official story that they were devout Muslims on a suicide mission for Allah.
The Report fails to mention that the published passenger lists contained no Arab names -- a fact publicized by skeptics of the official story.
The Report fails to ask why the plane that crashed into the Pentagon was not stopped by anti-aircraft missile batteries that presumably ring the building.
The Report fails to mention that no credible footage of the Pentagon attack has been made public, despite public knowledge that the FBI seized footage of the attack from nearby businesses.
The Report does not ask why the Secret Service did not obtain air cover for the President's motorcade from the Sarasota school to the airport, nor for Air Force One, which took off at about 9:54, until about 11:10.
The Report avoids mentioning several reports that government officials and business leaders received warnings and avoided targets of the attacks, including:
A warning by the FBI advising Attorney General John Ashcroft to avoid flying on commercial airlines.
The report that Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans the evening before the attack.
A warning to San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown to avoid flying.
The grounding of Salman Rushdie by Scotland Yard.
The Report avoids mentioning a warning received by employees of Odigo hours before the attack.
The Report does not mention that letters with weaponized anthrax were sent to the two most powerful senators attempting to slow the passage of the 9/11/01 attack-predicated USA PATRIOT Act.
The Report states that the Commission was "chartered to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including preparedness for and the
immediate response to the attacks," but fails to mention that it makes no attempt to meet its charter.
http://911research.wtc7.net/post911/commission/report.html
9-11 Commission Report
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/
A lot of very relevant Questions There That Remain unanswered.
Is it ineptitude of the committee
'Hands' Tied regarding asking / answering certain things
Plain Misinformation / Lying
Hiding the truth
Why still no answers.
It doesn't instil much confidence / faith in the report.
I know we / Your Not meant to ask questions
If you do your a Tin Foil Hat Wearing Conspiracy Theorist ::)
Now let's be Good People & Not Ask any Difficult Questions.
Our Trusted Government & Leaders Would Never Ever Tell Us Lies.
And if you believe that...
I Have A Bridge For Sale.
;)
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Beware of M4tad0r
His posting and behavior suggests he is mentally ill and unstable.
It might be argued that because he speculates that the WTC's were brought down by nukes, that he's a nutjob. But that's not it. Some people's CTs can get fantasy prone.
What makes him potentially unstable and mentally ill is what seems to be his complete paranoia about the world around him.
After several rounds of providing proof about the rescue of Will Jimeno and Sgt. John McLoughlin by David Karnes brought about by claiming nothing human survived bigger than 2 inches from the WTC's where it was shown 12-20 people survived , he couldn't even concede a point that his own CT web sites were saying so he cites the Jessica Lynch story as examples of Bull Shit stories because there were no photographs at the scene.
Jessica Lynch, does that ring a bell to you imbecile? Same with this bullshit story. And the link below his name doens't work and of course there is no pictures of that day with him there to prove this fictional act of bravery.
In addition, he has a compulsive habit of spamming the board with attacks to anyone that disagrees with him, spamming youtube vids and images and cannot keep agreements of civil discussion.
http://www.emergenceplus.org.uk/what-is-personality-disorder/94-diagnosis.html?start=1 (http://www.emergenceplus.org.uk/what-is-personality-disorder/94-diagnosis.html?start=1)
from the article:
Preoccupied by conspiratorial ways of understanding personal and world events e.g. seeing events as part of ‘conspiracy theories’ or as people joining together to act against you.
________________________ ________________________ ______
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoid_personality_disorder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoid_personality_disorder)
From wiki
Paranoid personality disorder (PPD) is a mental disorder characterized by paranoia and a pervasive, long-standing suspiciousness and generalized mistrust of others. Individuals with this personality disorder may be hypersensitive, easily feel slighted, and habitually relate to the world by vigilant scanning of the environment for clues or suggestions that may validate their fears or biases. Paranoid individuals are eager observers. They think they are in danger and look for signs and threats of that danger, potentially not appreciating other evidence.[1]
________________________ ________________________ ______
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/64114756/the-psychology-of-conspiracy-belief (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/64114756/the-psychology-of-conspiracy-belief)
You don't have to be mad to create conspiracy theories, but it certainly helps, new research suggests.
Just believing in them indicates you are more likely to be paranoid or mentally ill, a Victoria University study shows.
Widely held conspiracy theories range from harmless ones, such as the belief that the Moon landings were faked, to more dangerous delusions such as the one in Nigeria that polio vaccines were a Western plot to sterilise people. That led to vaccination crews being murdered and thousands dying from disease.
Clinical psychologist Darshani Kumareswaran is delving in to the psychology of conspiracy belief, and has found some believers are likely to endorse far-fetched plots in an effort to make sense of chaotic situations beyond their contro
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A lot of very relevant Questions There That Remain unanswered.
Is it ineptitude of the committee
'Hands' Tied regarding asking / answering certain things
Plain Misinformation / Lying
Hiding the truth
Why still no answers.
It doesn't instil much confidence / faith in the report.
I know we / Your Not meant to ask questions
If you do your a Tin Foil Hat Wearing Conspiracy Theorist ::)
Now let's be Good People & Not Ask any Difficult Questions.
Our Trusted Government & Leaders Would Never Ever Tell Us Lies.
And if you believe that...
I Have A Bridge For Sale.
;)
You don't have the intellectual agility to understand the answers. You've proven that consistently on this thread.
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You don't have the intellectual agility to understand the answers. You've proven that consistently on this thread.
[/quote)
Ha Ha, You Really are A Joke.
Go Back To Your Village -- IDIOT.
How Many Ownings Do You Need Before You Go Away.
Intellectual, Just Like All The Answers You Could Not Provide.
Here, I Definatly Have A Bridge For Sale
For You.
Best You Remain Silent -- Than Open Your Mouth / Type & Remove Any Doubt That Your Are An Idiot.
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You don't have the intellectual agility to understand the answers. You've proven that consistently on this thread.
[/quote)
Ha Ha, You Really are A Joke.
Go Back To Your Village -- IDIOT.
How Many Ownings Do You Need Before You Go Away.
Intellectual, Just Like All The Answers You Could Not Provide.
Here, I Definatly Have A Bridge For Sale
For You.
Best You Remain Silent -- Than Open Your Mouth / Type & Remove Any Doubt That Your Are An Idiot
Still cannot figure out the quote feature eh?
Hahahahhahhahahahhahahha
And your name is illumintati suggesting you are intelligent and "in the know"
ROTFLMAO
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Is anyone having a difficult time realizing the meaning of this video? I should have asked, before. (I don't mean you, Matador... I wanted to go through this before.)
You can watch through, say, 1:20 - 1:30. You will see white blur appear and disappear etc., and if you look immediately above and to the left of that white blur (but attached to it in appearance), you will see the plane appear as a very fast-moving streak.
Re-do and pause on 1:26, so you can see the image frozen.
[ Invalid YouTube link ]
First of all: Does anyone deny seeing something? Does anyone deny it is a plane? Does anyone deny it is the plane (Flight 77)?
I want to get this out of the way.
Can anyone at all explain the advantage to any other theory but that Flight 77 hit, which could make up for the many difficulties and risks in faking such a thing?
???
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Anyway, here it is as an evidence file and kept on an official server. (fyi it shows at 4:59 on this one)
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/P200022.html
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It didn't take long for you to get exposed Eh? HAHAHAHAHAHAH
Ropo= Ozmo guimik account.
So, you have lost your mind completely? Here is little riddle for you: Tällä posetiivarin apinalla ei taida kaikki muumit olla tallessa muumilaaksossa, ei hissi kulje yläkeraan asti, ja kanootista on muutama inkkari hukassa ;D
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(http://www.generadormemes.com/media/created/co1048tnuyzjj1lrd4wpm30gg3ehgk85t2eyfd381cvbttn15clacwe5lt5496k.jpg)
What kind of argument is this? I give you a bunch of completely logical answers to your utterly stupid questions, and this is all you can? Paranoid mental masturbating? Shame on you.. ;D
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Yeah this kid is mentally ill.
After several rounds of providing proof about the rescue of Will Jimeno and Sgt. John McLoughlin by David Karnes brought about by claiming nothing human survived bigger than 2 inches from the WTC's where it was shown 12-20 people survived , he couldn't even concede a point that his own CT web sites were saying so he cites the Jessica Lynch story as examples of Bull Shit stories because there were no photographs at the scene.
Well, if you ask me, the level of stupidity in these foil hat morons is so overwhelming, that I bet it is impossible without mental handicap or illness. If you give these foil hat theories to normal 6 years old, he laugh at them because their pretensions are so ridiculously stupid. I bet these foil hat morons are mostly mongoloids and retards, because their amount in society is quite similar. "The most stupid part of the mankind" seem to be understatement..
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The AGM-158 JASSM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Agm-158_JASSM.jpg)
Compare 1:16 :o 1:24 :o
(http://911review.org/_webimages/noplane/hole4_3.JPG)(http://cdns.yournewswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/missile-pentagon-720x350.jpg)
(http://pop.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/06/54cfc89463442_-_pentagon-hole-de.jpg)
The JASSM is a conventionally armed, low observable cruise missile designed to destroy the enemy's high-value targets from aircraft that can be launched from outside the area defenses. The missile has automatic target recognition, autonomous guidance, precision accuracy, and a J-1000 warhead optimized for penetration and carrying a new high-yield explosive. These characteristics give JASSM capabilities against heavily defended hard targets such as aircraft shelters and underground command posts, as well as soft targets such as rail yards.
http://911review.org/brad.com/noplane.html
Hey, you imbecile piece of shit: Cruise missile is only ~5 meters long, so please tell me how it can fly carrying 10 000 liters of kerosene, which means 10 m³ of space. And how do you explain that nothing exploded in the pentagon? I have linked a bunch of hi resolution pictures which proves that there isn't even one brick which would have fly from the building to the lawn. How this is possible while missiles are used to carry explosives to the target? And last but not least ,what kind of fucking moron can mix cruise missile to Boeing 757? I know that ridiculous pieces of shit like you foil hats are, could do that mistake, but is there anyone else? 15 feet vs 150 feet, do you understand the difference? I bet you don't, because you are an imbecile. The hunchback mongoloid retard drooling on your keyboard ;D
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Omissions From the 9/11 Commision Report
The Report fails to acknowledge that no steel-framed high-rise building has ever collapsed due to fires.
The Report fails to mention the total collapse of 47-story steel-framed skyscraper Building 7 at 5:20 on the day of the attack.
The Report contains no mention of the interview in which the owner of Building 7 states that he and the Fire Department decided to "pull" Building 7 -- an apparent admission of a conspiracy to destroy the building and its contents.
The Report fails to mention the rapid removal and recycling of the structural steel from the collapsed World Trade Center buildings, even to make excuses for it.
The Report makes no mention of a statement by then-Mayor Rudolph Giuliani to Peter Jennings indicating he had foreknowledge of the collapses: "We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse, and it did collapse before we could get out of the building."
The Report contains no mentions of eyewitness accounts of explosions preceding the collapse of South Towers.
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The Report fails to mention that George W. Bush's brother, Marvin Bush, and his cousin, Wirt Walker III, were principals in the company that had the contract to provide security for the World Trade Center, Stratesec, nor does it mention the company.
The Report makes no mention of the fact that a new lessor took control of the World Trade Center complex just six weeks before the attack, obtained an insurance policy covering terrorist attacks, and successfully sued the insurance companies to obtain twice the multi-billion-dollar value of the policy.
The Report repeats the list of 19 suspects identified by the FBI within days of the attack, while failing to mention that six of them reported themselves alive after the attack.
The Report fails to mention any of the reports of behavior by the alleged hijackers before the attack that belie the official story that they were devout Muslims on a suicide mission for Allah.
The Report fails to mention that the published passenger lists contained no Arab names -- a fact publicized by skeptics of the official story.
The Report fails to ask why the plane that crashed into the Pentagon was not stopped by anti-aircraft missile batteries that presumably ring the building.
The Report fails to mention that no credible footage of the Pentagon attack has been made public, despite public knowledge that the FBI seized footage of the attack from nearby businesses.
The Report does not ask why the Secret Service did not obtain air cover for the President's motorcade from the Sarasota school to the airport, nor for Air Force One, which took off at about 9:54, until about 11:10.
The Report avoids mentioning several reports that government officials and business leaders received warnings and avoided targets of the attacks, including:
A warning by the FBI advising Attorney General John Ashcroft to avoid flying on commercial airlines.
The report that Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans the evening before the attack.
A warning to San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown to avoid flying.
The grounding of Salman Rushdie by Scotland Yard.
The Report avoids mentioning a warning received by employees of Odigo hours before the attack.
The Report does not mention that letters with weaponized anthrax were sent to the two most powerful senators attempting to slow the passage of the 9/11/01 attack-predicated USA PATRIOT Act.
The Report states that the Commission was "chartered to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including preparedness for and the
immediate response to the attacks," but fails to mention that it makes no attempt to meet its charter.
http://911research.wtc7.net/post911/commission/report.html
9-11 Commission Report
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/
Yet another bunch of opinions and pretensions, which doesn't mean anything. Is copy paste all you can do? This is what they mean when they say "think it with your own brains" ? You are just like a parrot, repeating things what you hear with no brain functions at all. I have a mission to you, and this is something which could be possible to do even with the limited intelligence as yours: Point out those explosions from any 9/11 video filmed from the attack? I mean you don't need the brains at all, and you are able to see that there isn't any explosions, so why don't you start by proving there was?
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A lot of very relevant Questions There That Remain unanswered.
Is it ineptitude of the committee
'Hands' Tied regarding asking / answering certain things
Plain Misinformation / Lying
Hiding the truth
Why still no answers.
It doesn't instil much confidence / faith in the report.
I know we / Your Not meant to ask questions
If you do your a Tin Foil Hat Wearing Conspiracy Theorist ::)
Now let's be Good People & Not Ask any Difficult Questions.
Our Trusted Government & Leaders Would Never Ever Tell Us Lies.
And if you believe that...
I Have A Bridge For Sale.
;)
Well, if you born as an idiot, you will die as an idiot, there isn't anything what world could do to make you something else. Lets look at the first line of that foil hat crap? "The Report fails to acknowledge that no steel-framed high-rise building has ever collapsed due to fires."... So denying reality is only thing they can do? There isn't just fires, there were 2 x plane crash and massive fires. When it happen it was a first time in the history of mankind, so there is not even single soul who could prove it isn't possible = undeniably fact. Do I have to go further? All that is just pile of bullshit from the rotten brains of foil hat morons, and it hasn't any kind of significance at all.
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Still cannot figure out the quote feature eh?
Hahahahhahhahahahhahahha
And your name is illumintati suggesting you are intelligent and "in the know"
ROTFLMAO
This is how these foil hat morons are proving their superior intelligence all over the world: I know everything I can copy paste, but quote is too hard to understand..Why don't you copy paste some instructions to this moron, so he could copy paste it to the Fag-section of the foil hats manual of insanely stupid pretensions ;D
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Anyway, here it is as an evidence file and kept on an official server. (fyi it shows at 4:59 on this one)
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/P200022.html
Just the right pictures which shows how much kerosene was burning in the crash. You see, it is impossible to make such a big ball of fire from the fuel of the cruise missile. You need a lot more, tons of it and cruise missile towing a tank of the fuel truck would be looking silly, so if it isn't an airplane, what the fuck it is? And where is the explosion? I have linked a video where these foil hat morons could use as a paradigm of explosion, but they never learn. Let see it just one more time:
You can't find anything which could be even near that speed and size in any 9/11 material, so it is quite obvious that there isn't any explosions in the attack.
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Quote from: M4tad0r on May 27, 2016, 05:40:28 AM
It didn't take long for you to get exposed Eh? HAHAHAHAHAHAH
Ropo= Ozmo guimik account.
So, you have lost your mind completely? Here is little riddle for you: Tällä posetiivarin apinalla ei taida kaikki muumit olla tallessa muumilaaksossa, ei hissi kulje yläkeraan asti, ja kanootista on muutama inkkari hukassa ;D
Yeah he needs to seek help. He's demonstrating this:
"Paranoid personality disorder (PPD) is a mental disorder characterized by paranoia and a pervasive, long-standing suspiciousness and generalized mistrust of others."
He sent a PM to another poster saying he is starting to believe Soul Crusher, you and me are the same person.
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Anyway, here it is as an evidence file and kept on an official server. (fyi it shows at 4:59 on this one)
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/P200022.html
It looks to be at a higher resolution in this download.
(http://s33.postimg.org/fa6gdyxhb/Pent3_Full.jpg)
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Fisheye lens.
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Just the right pictures which shows how much kerosene was burning in the crash. You see, it is impossible to make such a big ball of fire from the fuel of the cruise missile. You need a lot more, tons of it and cruise missile towing a tank of the fuel truck would be looking silly, so if it isn't an airplane, what the fuck it is? And where is the explosion? I have linked a video where these foil hat morons could use as a paradigm of explosion, but they never learn. Let see it just one more time:
You can't find anything which could be even near that speed and size in any 9/11 material, so it is quite obvious that there isn't any explosions in the attack.
The plane had fuel, and no one can deny a plane anymore. Not in this thread, not on this site. It would take some wild tale-telling to try to overcome the mountain of evidence saying a plane.
At this point, the only place a missile could fit in would be as a source of additional damage. But thinking of the requirements for missile-use (the least of which is not risk) against what explosives would require, is all it takes to stick the kielbasa in it.
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http://www.anonews.co/pentagon-attack/ (http://www.anonews.co/pentagon-attack/)
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http://www.anonews.co/pentagon-attack/ (http://www.anonews.co/pentagon-attack/)
Not seen that video before.
It's too hard to tell if it's a plane or missile.
It looks to small to be a plane / wings don't look long enough.
Though at the speed it's traveling at & quality of the video who knows.
I still find it difficult to Believe a fairly inexperienced pilot could reduce the flying height
To such a very low / only feet above the ground & not make contact with the ground
& also find a completely clear route into the pentagon without hitting anything.
Perhaps he had practised this route & manoeuvre several times before.
Certainly a skilful bit of flying.
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Not seen that video before.
It's too hard to tell if it's a plane or missile.
It looks to small to be a plane / wings don't look long enough.
Though at the speed it's traveling at & quality of the video who knows.
I still find it difficult to Believe a fairly inexperienced pilot could reduce the flying height
To such a very low / only feet above the ground & not make contact with the ground
& also find a completely clear route into the pentagon without hitting anything.
Perhaps he had practised this route & manoeuvre several times before.
Certainly a skilful bit of flying.
ya i think its the first time most ppl have seen this footage.
I thinks its pretty obvious IT IS NOT a plane
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ya i think its the first time most ppl have seen this footage.
I thinks its pretty obvious IT IS NOT a plane
Yes - Probably not a Plane.
Watch out Though -- As The usual suspects Will Be Calling You Names
& Questioning your Intelligence - Also Posting Pics of Tin Foil Hats.
They are not to be questioned as they know everything,
And are Beyond Reproach as far as intelligence.
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Not seen that video before.
It's too hard to tell if it's a plane or missile.
It looks to small to be a plane / wings don't look long enough.
Though at the speed it's traveling at & quality of the video who knows.
I still find it difficult to Believe a fairly inexperienced pilot could reduce the flying height
To such a very low / only feet above the ground & not make contact with the ground
& also find a completely clear route into the pentagon without hitting anything.
Perhaps he had practised this route & manoeuvre several times before.
Certainly a skilful bit of flying.
Not wondering why you haven't seen it before? Because it is fake, that's why. Quite simple reason, isn't it? You see it from the "stop motion" quality of the picture, which is also turned around (youtube logo is backwards), so if you are smart enough to wonder why in the name of god someone would use stop-motion camera while filming from the airplane, you realize it is ridiculous, so it has to be fake. In fact this has to be a fake made to prove how foil hat morons accept any kind of fake information as truth, if it fit's in their prejudices. Furthermore, if it would be 5 meters long cruise missile, you wouldn't see it at all, because it is so tiny compared the building. And why, oh why you guys think that a crap like this would overrule all those evidences which proves it was a 757? This is the part which is most difficult to understand? If someone show you this kind of badly faked video, how it would overrule all the eyewitnesses who saw the 757, not a little tiny missile? Are you proving just now that you haven't seen the passenger jet at close distance never in your life? You see, if something like 757 fly past you at the dive speed, it would be a vision you never forget. I have seen plenty of low level flyby's and it is always a remarkable experience, but suddenly at the front of the pentagon it doesn't mean anything to people who see it? For real? Are you some kind of moron by any chance?
Here is the original version where you see clearly that the "missile" is edited in the pictures afterwards by some incompetent fool:
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That video has been posted by multiple people during the thread. Another video making a side-by-side comparison with the original was posted, too. It's completely fake.
Made to totally discredit "conspiracy theorists", and yet here you are transferring it around without a clue in the world you've been duped into doing that.
Funny, huh?
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If the Universe is a computer simulation as some claim, then I guess anything is possible. Yes, it is possible that the simulated USA government was responsible for the simulated 911 attacks. ;D
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Here is the original version where you see clearly that the "missile" is edited in the pictures afterwards by some incompetent fool:
Where is the original original by itself without an explosion? Link? This video shows the explosion and if it is fake then it can't be the original??
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Right here, obsidian:
[ Invalid YouTube link ]
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So a person could make a fake "9/11 Truth Video" then make a "Truther Exposed" outing the first video as a lie, and whaddya know.
::) ::) ::)
Pretty dumb to spread these lies around. Why do that?
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Right here, obsidian:
[ Invalid YouTube link ]
LOL, WTF?
Somebody went to the trouble of making a fake cgi video and some photoshopped images of missiles? Mental illness much? :D
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That video has been posted by multiple people during the thread. Another video making a side-by-side comparison with the original was posted, too. It's completely fake.
Made to totally discredit "conspiracy theorists", and yet here you are transferring it around without a clue in the world you've been duped into doing that.
Funny, huh?
Funny? It is hilarious, because these foil hat morons are just as serious about this crap as insane imbecile can be. It make no difference how badly photo shopped crap you present to them as "truth", they adopt it to be a part of their religion faster than you can say foil hat moron ;D
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So a person could make a fake "9/11 Truth Video" then make a "Truther Exposed" outing the first video as a lie, and whaddya know.
::) ::) ::)
Pretty dumb to spread these lies around. Why do that?
Just to show how blind faith works with these foil hat morons. While even an child from the kindergarten can see with his forehead that the video is fake, foil hat morons lack that kind of talents, so it became a part of their religion in nanoseconds. They start to share it at once, so it is all over the world when the maker reveals it is a fake. Then whole world will laugh at the stupidity of the foil hat morons, and that never ends. There is always some new utterly stupid foil hat moron who pull that crap out from his hat and use it as an argument, and laughing continue because these morons never learn ;D
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LOL, WTF?
Somebody went to the trouble of making a fake cgi video and some photoshopped images of missiles? Mental illness much? :D
There is plenty of this kind of videos, which are faked just to amaze foil hats from their feet's. Even in the study made about them look at this situation, and the report say that foil hats are complete blind what comes to understanding what is fake and what's not. They literally feed some shit to foil hats, and it became the truth to these idiots with no questions. In fact this is the ultimate evidence which proves that foil hats are indeed just morons. If you gather 1000 of them in one place and weigh their brain matter, all of it fits in one ordinary spoon ;D :o ;D
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LOL, WTF?
Somebody went to the trouble of making a fake cgi video and some photoshopped images of missiles? Mental illness much? :D
I don't know who originally uploaded it, and haven't looked to try to figure out where it came from. It could have been done by someone for fun and it went from there. Or it could have been made with an intention to deceive, instead.
Don't know, but it would be interesting to find out. Seeing whether that video and those images were created by the same source or person might work toward doing that.
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The first 14 seconds of this video is a great example of the intellectual level of a common truther. This asshat teenager, creator of loose change, attracted a following of paranoid idiots and made some cash in the process.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/speedyboris/renandstimpy/travelogue-36_zpsed5a1408.jpg)
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There are around 5 or so "leaders" in the "Truth Movement" who appear to guide nearly all popular thought on the subject..
From that, many others follow from lack of their own thoughts, and a great wall of misinformation is built. That's the tell-tale it is the media.
One thing for sure, it would be really interesting to know how those leaders choose to say what they do. That's a good question for you. Why do they insist upon such imperfect "theories", which couldn't possibly lead anywhere?
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There are around 5 or so "leaders" in the "Truth Movement" who appear to guide nearly all popular thought on the subject..
From that, many others follow from lack of their own thoughts, and a great wall of misinformation is built. That's the tell-tale it is the media.
One thing for sure, it would be really interesting to know how those leaders choose to say what they do. That's a good question for you. Why do they insist upon such imperfect "theories", which couldn't possibly lead anywhere?
Foil hat theories are multi billion business, and it would be a shame to let the stupid's keep their money, that's why. In the USA they have ability to change any given piece of shit to tons of money, because there is always a moron who have some money to spend. Without people with less than average IQ there wouldn't be this kind of theories, and so much less money to take from these fools. 9/11, chemtrails, moonhoax, etc. are just tiny part of this madness created for these morons, but if you watch cable channels etc. there is morons with guns trying to find a bigfoot, there is whole doomsday prepper culture, there is endless list of fruits of this kind of idiotism and people makes millions from it. These little teenage wankers in the forums are just insects in this pile of crap, the stupidest part of the human race spending all of their time to trying "solve" these miraculous theories with the IQ of the banana peel ;D
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Foil hat theories are multi billion business, and it would be a shame to let the stupid's keep their money, that's why. In the USA they have ability to change any given piece of shit to tons of money, because there is always a moron who have some money to spend. Without people with less than average IQ there wouldn't be this kind of theories, and so much less money to take from these fools. 9/11, chemtrails, moonhoax, etc. are just tiny part of this madness created for these morons, but if you watch cable channels etc. there is morons with guns trying to find a bigfoot, there is whole doomsday prepper culture, there is endless list of fruits of this kind of idiotism and people makes millions from it. These little teenage wankers in the forums are just insects in this pile of crap, the stupidest part of the human race spending all of their time to trying "solve" these miraculous theories with the IQ of the banana peel ;D
You could've had a PhD with the time and effort you've invested on this thread.
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Foil hat theories are multi billion business
i tell ya - the day i stopped reading alex jones' website was the day i saw a cadillac ad on his website lol. Fighting the establishment, blah blah... and he's cashing in on it too. The sites really do get a lot of clicks by working people up with the scariest shit possible. "Martial law is coming!" = nah... people stop paying taxes in such a case, it'll never happen. But I worried about that stuff back in the day.
granted, we know some CTs have been proven - decades later - to be absolutely true. And 911 stinks, even the commissioners admit that. But everyone gets away with it, it's just a part of history now.
but yeah, i admit your point is correct on CTs being big business. So is CNN, FOX news, selling their bullshit version of events. It's all just entertainment value babble that sells ad revenue. We live in a capitalist society, so I can't hate on it.
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Seems it comes down to a single question. One which asks of Cheney, why he chose to operate outside of the law.
There isn't a reasonable answer to that question, of course. So how could it be that all of 9/11 wouldn't unravel like a cheap suit, simply upon demand for it?
IMO, that single question is the primary reason for the Bush-Cheney treatment of the investigation. (oath refused, recording refused, never apart during questioning)
That's a huge problem, because it's exactly as all criminals would have it.
For some of you guys who are anti-conspiracy on 9/11: How would you respond to it?
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i tell ya - the day i stopped reading alex jones' website was the day i saw a cadillac ad on his website lol. Fighting the establishment, blah blah... and he's cashing in on it too. The sites really do get a lot of clicks by working people up with the scariest shit possible. "Martial law is coming!" = nah... people stop paying taxes in such a case, it'll never happen. But I worried about that stuff back in the day.
granted, we know some CTs have been proven - decades later - to be absolutely true. And 911 stinks, even the commissioners admit that. But everyone gets away with it, it's just a part of history now.
but yeah, i admit your point is correct on CTs being big business. So is CNN, FOX news, selling their bullshit version of events. It's all just entertainment value babble that sells ad revenue. We live in a capitalist society, so I can't hate on it.
Well, even that is mostly just bullshit, or a weird point of view. Bottom line is simple. What is proved to be a fact, is fact. Everything else is just bullshit. I am "interested" only to these modern theories, because debunking that crap can be done while writing. 9/11 stinks? Prove it? There were massive errors, lot of irrational behavior of different parties, lot of wrong moves, but did it stink? I don't think so, because that would mean there was conscious and intentional abuse of situation, which no one knows to be facing them at that time. It is really easy to make things look suspicious in the media, and everything we have seen/read about the case is filtered to us by the media, so what we really know about the details? Nothing really, if we exclude all what we have adopt anywhere else than from the original videos about the attack. Official report seem to be most correct depiction about what happen, and it remain to be that until there will be evidence which proves otherwise.
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Well, even that is mostly just bullshit, or a weird point of view. Bottom line is simple. What is proved to be a fact, is fact. Everything else is just bullshit. I am "interested" only to these modern theories, because debunking that crap can be done while writing. 9/11 stinks? Prove it? There were massive errors, lot of irrational behavior of different parties, lot of wrong moves, but did it stink? I don't think so, because that would mean there was conscious and intentional abuse of situation, which no one knows to be facing them at that time. It is really easy to make things look suspicious in the media, and everything we have seen/read about the case is filtered to us by the media, so what we really know about the details? Nothing really, if we exclude all what we have adopt anywhere else than from the original videos about the attack. Official report seem to be most correct depiction about what happen, and it remain to be that until there will be evidence which proves otherwise.
You're bullshit.
3 planes knocked down 3 huge buildings?
STFU already.
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You're bullshit.
3 planes knocked down 3 huge buildings?
STFU already.
thats not what was claimed by the Official Report...
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You're bullshit.
3 planes knocked down 3 huge buildings?
STFU already.
You are an idiot and a well know foil hat moron, and you have opinion about this matter? Gee, I never saw it coming..., what a miracle this is...You have proved your stupidity at the thread about the chemtrails and old threads about the 9/11 etc. and now you need another round with same lame arguments which are already in this thread, and which are just plain old bullshit with no evidence at all? Amazing how these fucking idiots never learn anything.. So for starters, do you want to show the evidence about the explosions in the twin towers? Do you have a video where we could see them, because even the stupidest of them all has to understand, that explosions can't be invisible? Or do you want to take the good old scenic route around the bullshit about the WTC 7, missiles at the Pentagon carrying 12 000 gallons of kerosene, or the hole and the missing airplane, which didn't stand it's nose in the hole like it should? Now concentrate, and give me your best shot, or do you go straight to the screaming and crying like always?
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You're bullshit.
3 planes knocked down 3 huge buildings?
STFU already.
Obviously you have never read the report or researched anything.
Might as well claim, "never before in the history of man has an office fire brought down a skyscraper after a plane hit it."
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You're bullshit.
3 planes knocked down 3 huge buildings?
STFU already.
No, 2 planes, 3 buildings.
A pile of dirt in shanksville
and 3 pixelated frames of video showing what happened at pentagon.
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No, 2 planes, 3 buildings.
A pile of dirt in shanksville
and 3 pixelated frames of video showing what happened at pentagon.
And plenty of ignorant people without the common sense or the will to read the report and research the event, holding on to false premises, cherry picking, and ignoring evidence in favor of ass hat teenager and whores who will profit from these intellectual midgets.
People with out the will or courage to face facts but instead run like cowards when their bull shit is debunked over and over again. People who are the laughing stock of the world, crack pots, idiots, and paranoids and some of which are possibly mentally ill................. and some, as LV has shown, that will actually falsify video or images to prove their point.
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No, 2 planes, 3 buildings.
A pile of dirt in shanksville
and 3 pixelated frames of video showing what happened at pentagon.
I like your posts, Colossus. You've made some good points in this thread. Right now, I would very much like to know your opinion on the Pentagon-matter.
To begin with, from one perspective, when you consider the camera used and the subject to be seen (a very fast-moving plane), we should expect to see exactly what it is we do:
(http://s33.postimg.org/fa6gdyxhb/Pent3_Full.jpg)
So it becomes a question asking what else it could possibly be, looking exactly as it does, occupying the very space it is in, at that split-second in time. What else could it be, if not Flight 77?
Or do you believe it is manufactured to look as we see? I have an open mind and would like to know what you think.
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I like your posts, Colossus. You've made some good points in this thread. Right now, I would very much like to know your opinion on the Pentagon-matter.
To begin with, from one perspective, when you consider the camera used and the subject to be seen (a very fast-moving plane), we should expect to see exactly what it is we do:
(http://s33.postimg.org/fa6gdyxhb/Pent3_Full.jpg)
So it becomes a question asking what else it could possibly be, looking exactly as it does, occupying the very space it is in, at that split-second in time. What else could it be, if not Flight 77?
Or do you believe it is manufactured to look as we see? I have an open mind and would like to know what you think.
Hey LV. Thank you.
As far as pentagon is concerned, it's no secret that over a dozen surveillance videos were seized from traffic cams, neighboring gas stations and what not...
As far as i'm concerned there is no good reason for those tapes to be secret or withheld. When you consider how many different angles we see the planes hit the WTC, over and over again...
There could be no logical reason why they won't release the tapes showing impact on Pentagon. This would surely discredit the "Conspiracy theorists" and prove once and for all that this was a plane.
Now on account of the official footage. Very blurry and pixelated footage, (which is concurrent with 2001 technology) but by media standards, very poor still. As a graphic designer I know I can photoshop a blurry white object into that space and simulate the same exact "look and feel". I am hard pressed to believe that a plane hit the side of that building. The various documentaries i've watched all show that the cavities in the side of the building do not match up with a plane hitting it. Secondly, my mom's uncle (my 2nd uncle if you will) is a Pilot and we've talked at length about how difficult it is to cruise at such an altitude, not slide on the ground, and make impact with the side of the building (let alone the corkscrew descent that the flight records say the plane took).... So It's safe to say my chats with him coincide with the points made in the documentaries, and that is that the official story has more holes in it than swiss cheese.
Speaking for myself, I don't think it was a manned aircraft that hit the pentagon. This is the reason all the security footage is kept locked up, because it doesn't coincide with the "official" story.
All they would have to do is show it and it would be over. But it won't happen. The damage is already done. Military budgets through the roof and US stationed all across the world since 2001. Nothing new. Anyone knows their world war II history should know what the Reichstag fire was, and the implications it had in making war easier.
History has a way of repeating itself.
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I like your posts, Colossus. You've made some good points in this thread. Right now, I would very much like to know your opinion on the Pentagon-matter.
To begin with, from one perspective, when you consider the camera used and the subject to be seen (a very fast-moving plane), we should expect to see exactly what it is we do:
(http://s33.postimg.org/fa6gdyxhb/Pent3_Full.jpg)
So it becomes a question asking what else it could possibly be, looking exactly as it does, occupying the very space it is in, at that split-second in time. What else could it be, if not Flight 77?
Or do you believe it is manufactured to look as we see? I have an open mind and would like to know what you think.
Answer this honestly....Do you truly believe this is the only camera at the Pentagon that captured the event? The most secure, and protected building on earth... It was a cruise missile...
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And plenty of ignorant people without the common sense or the will to read the report and research the event, holding on to false premises, cherry picking, and ignoring evidence in favor of ass hat teenager and whores who will profit from these intellectual midgets.
People with out the will or courage to face facts but instead run like cowards when their bull shit is debunked over and over again. People who are the laughing stock of the world, crack pots, idiots, and paranoids and some of which are possibly mentally ill................. and some, as LV has shown, that will actually falsify video or images to prove their point.
The report is an absolute joke...how anyone can read that and believe that is what actually happened is beyond me.
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No, 2 planes, 3 buildings.
A pile of dirt in shanksville
and 3 pixelated frames of video showing what happened at pentagon.
So you didn't bother to read all 67 pages of this thread, even all your questions has answered in it? So you aren't just stupid, you are lazy as well? So, let me explain this to you as I would explain it to imbecile child:
THERE IS NONE EXPLOSIONS IN THE WTC TOWERS, SO IT CAN'T BE A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION, WHICH MEANS THAT THINGS WENT JUST LIKE IT IS WRITTEN DOWN IN THE OFFICIAL REPORT. It means that you don't have to wonder about the Pentagon or Shanksville, all is clear. Happy now? Truth is that if there is this kind of "anomalies'" in the time frame, meaning that these towers collapse without any explosives, it simply means that there isn't any conspiracy. You can't explain these other incidents as a parts of conspiracy, while the first target of this attack was clearly just an act of terrorism.
Secondly, you don't have any kind of evidence which could prove the official report to be incorrect, in fact you don't have any kind of evidence at all. Do you understand this? 0 evidence? Doesn't that mean anything to you? In past 15 years foil hat morons have been able to present 0 evidence to prove their conspiracy theory. 0 is quite meager amount, isn't it. At the best the foil hat "evidences" in this thread has been words of some random people who has heard "explosions", which doesn't mean anything. What is the most common false alarm in the call's to 911? "I hear gunshot/explosion". There is dozens of videos about the attack to the twin towers, so anyone should understand that steel cutting explosions would be visible in some of these videos. Still, there is zero evidence about the explosions, but endless river of foil hat bullshit, which basically means only that they cannot believe the reality.
For example: It is truth that there were lot of security camera material confiscated around the area of Pentagon, but nothing has found in them. Suspicious? What do you think, will the police confiscate the security camera recordings around the Pulse in Orlando? Police confiscated that during the investigation, because it is common practice all over the world. Haven't you seen the security cam recordings in TV? In Youtube? Where all that material come from? And if the material is from the shops etc. around the Pentagon, is it really a miracle that they doesn't find anything from it? Thousands of hours of videos about the people taking care of their business. Let say that you have a service station just around the corner from the Pentagon, and you have a security camera to protect your business. Would you point it at your petrol pumps, or the building next to your station? And what is in the Pentagon so magnificent that it has to be protected with the dozens of cameras? It is a bureau, there is lot of papers in it, not mountains of gold or dollars. What kind of attack they would be waiting there, which cameras would have helpful? Name one? USA shot a missile against it's own military headquarter? And what good the camera would make, while missiles are tiny and they fly faster than airplanes? It make no sense at all. Lets try another one: Russians shot the missile against the Pentagon. What good the camera would make? Ballistic missile from above with speed of Mach 5? Would they have a need to shoot videos about he spy's who climb on the walls night after night trying to get in? I don't think so..
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A little catch-up for anyone who may have missed it. The thing of interest, here, isn't necessarily the white imagery. Use that as a point of reference to see what appears to be attached to it, upward and to the left of the whiteness itself.
(http://s33.postimg.org/fa6gdyxhb/Pent3_Full.jpg)
(http://s31.postimg.org/wmy2hvn63/Pent3_Close.jpg)
(http://s31.postimg.org/4tq1k272j/77_1.jpg)
The video to see this in motion with your own eyes and directly from an official server, is in the download near the top of this page:
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/P200022.html
It can be seen at 4:59 in the above file.
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Hey LV. Thank you.
As far as pentagon is concerned, it's no secret that over a dozen surveillance videos were seized from traffic cams, neighboring gas stations and what not...
As far as i'm concerned there is no good reason for those tapes to be secret or withheld. When you consider how many different angles we see the planes hit the WTC, over and over again...
There could be no logical reason why they won't release the tapes showing impact on Pentagon. This would surely discredit the "Conspiracy theorists" and prove once and for all that this was a plane.
Now on account of the official footage. Very blurry and pixelated footage, (which is concurrent with 2001 technology) but by media standards, very poor still. As a graphic designer I know I can photoshop a blurry white object into that space and simulate the same exact "look and feel". I am hard pressed to believe that a plane hit the side of that building. The various documentaries i've watched all show that the cavities in the side of the building do not match up with a plane hitting it. Secondly, my mom's uncle (my 2nd uncle if you will) is a Pilot and we've talked at length about how difficult it is to cruise at such an altitude, not slide on the ground, and make impact with the side of the building (let alone the corkscrew descent that the flight records say the plane took).... So It's safe to say my chats with him coincide with the points made in the documentaries, and that is that the official story has more holes in it than swiss cheese.
Speaking for myself, I don't think it was a manned aircraft that hit the pentagon. This is the reason all the security footage is kept locked up, because it doesn't coincide with the "official" story.
All they would have to do is show it and it would be over. But it won't happen. The damage is already done. Military budgets through the roof and US stationed all across the world since 2001. Nothing new. Anyone knows their world war II history should know what the Reichstag fire was, and the implications it had in making war easier.
History has a way of repeating itself.
Good and fair post, Colossus. Let me ask you to consider something.
Do you think it is possible that conspiritors may find some reason, incentive, benefit, etc. to have such a large percentage of individuals believing something such as that a missile hit, if reality could show that it did not?
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Answer this honestly....Do you truly believe this is the only camera at the Pentagon that captured the event? The most secure, and protected building on earth... It was a cruise missile...
No, brother. I don't believe it is the only footage.
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Good and fair post, Colossus. Let me ask you to consider something.
Do you think it is possible that conspiritors may find some reason, incentive, benefit, etc. to have such a large percentage of individuals believing something such as that a missile hit, if reality could show that it did not?
I think the only reason so many people point to the missile theory, is because it might be the next plausible explanation. The reason it becomes the next plausible explanation is because the evidence of a plane hitting the pentagon is such garbage, and full of holes, that you know something had to hit it and not leave the debris that is consistent with a commercial airline crash. Something that made a small hole in the side of the building (before it collapsed) and then right outside that hole we don't see any broken off tail sections or wings.
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So you didn't bother to read all 67 pages of this thread, even all your questions has answered in it? So you aren't just stupid, you are lazy as well? So, let me explain this to you as I would explain it to imbecile child:
THERE IS NONE EXPLOSIONS IN THE WTC TOWERS, SO IT CAN'T BE A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION, WHICH MEANS THAT THINGS WENT JUST LIKE IT IS WRITTEN DOWN IN THE OFFICIAL REPORT. It means that you don't have to wonder about the Pentagon or Shanksville, all is clear. Happy now? Truth is that if there is this kind of "anomalies'" in the time frame, meaning that these towers collapse without any explosives, it simply means that there isn't any conspiracy. You can't explain these other incidents as a parts of conspiracy, while the first target of this attack was clearly just an act of terrorism.
Secondly, you don't have any kind of evidence which could prove the official report to be incorrect, in fact you don't have any kind of evidence at all. Do you understand this? 0 evidence? Doesn't that mean anything to you? In past 15 years foil hat morons have been able to present 0 evidence to prove their conspiracy theory. 0 is quite meager amount, isn't it. At the best the foil hat "evidences" in this thread has been words of some random people who has heard "explosions", which doesn't mean anything. What is the most common false alarm in the call's to 911? "I hear gunshot/explosion". There is dozens of videos about the attack to the twin towers, so anyone should understand that steel cutting explosions would be visible in some of these videos. Still, there is zero evidence about the explosions, but endless river of foil hat bullshit, which basically means only that they cannot believe the reality.
For example: It is truth that there were lot of security camera material confiscated around the area of Pentagon, but nothing has found in them. Suspicious? What do you think, will the police confiscate the security camera recordings around the Pulse in Orlando? Police confiscated that during the investigation, because it is common practice all over the world. Haven't you seen the security cam recordings in TV? In Youtube? Where all that material come from? And if the material is from the shops etc. around the Pentagon, is it really a miracle that they doesn't find anything from it? Thousands of hours of videos about the people taking care of their business. Let say that you have a service station just around the corner from the Pentagon, and you have a security camera to protect your business. Would you point it at your petrol pumps, or the building next to your station? And what is in the Pentagon so magnificent that it has to be protected with the dozens of cameras? It is a bureau, there is lot of papers in it, not mountains of gold or dollars. What kind of attack they would be waiting there, which cameras would have helpful? Name one? USA shot a missile against it's own military headquarter? And what good the camera would make, while missiles are tiny and they fly faster than airplanes? It make no sense at all. Lets try another one: Russians shot the missile against the Pentagon. What good the camera would make? Ballistic missile from above with speed of Mach 5? Would they have a need to shoot videos about he spy's who climb on the walls night after night trying to get in? I don't think so..
Wow somebody is angry...
If you're going to teach an imbecile child anything, stop rambling and learn better English.
Secondly, You contradict yourself when talking about the security footage at the pentagon. Talking about missiles going at mach 5?
I thought you were on the side of the "official" story, in which a plane hit the pentagon. If that's the case then you would want those videos
released because they would have proof of the plane. Also, saying the pentagon is just an office building with papers in it, and questioning the level of security
within those grounds... I feel like i'm dealing with the imbecile child. Please refrain from speaking. You are incapable of debating on these topics.
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The report is an absolute joke...how anyone can read that and believe that is what actually happened is beyond me.
I doubt you have read the report or whole sections in depth of the report or any other independent reports. Also, i doubt you have taken into account the evidence that supports the report.
Additionally its not a "joke" to people at scientist and engineers at Purdue, MIT, Northwestern, and Stanford. Also, 99% of engineers and scientists haven't come out to say its a "joke".
I'd also be willing to bet a percentage of the 3000 or so of these "engineers and scientists" who question 9/11 on that site no longer do after a little research and dialog with others in their field.
And if you take truther arguments seriously and look at evidence that supports their arguments you'll end up looking at an empty room.
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I think the only reason so many people point to the missile theory, is because it might be the next plausible explanation. The reason it becomes the next plausible explanation is because the evidence of a plane hitting the pentagon is such garbage, and full of holes, that you know something had to hit it and not leave the debris that is consistent with a commercial airline crash. Something that made a small hole in the side of the building (before it collapsed) and then right outside that hole we don't see any broken off tail sections or wings.
Once again ignoring reality.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/speedyboris/renandstimpy/travelogue-36_zpsed5a1408.jpg)
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BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!
www.secretplotrevealedbytruthers.org (http://www.secretplotrevealedbytruthers.org)
Overall Objective: Seize oil in the middle east under the guise of liberating Iraq and justify more money for the military industrial complex.
7.0 Pentagon Event
Pentagon Objective: Make it look like a plane hit the pentagon but instead hit it with a missile.
Reasoning: Crashing 2 jet planes in the WTC 1,2, killing 3000 people, and making it look like WTC 7 fell from an office fire will not be enough to cause public opinion to support overall objective.
Operation name: "Colossus Brain Trust"
Operation Summary:
1. Must silence, bribe, decieve or infiltrate people in these operations centers:
- 12 or more "in route centers" depending on where we will fly the plane to dispose of the passengers and the plane. (200+ people)
- TRACON Center at originating airport for flight 77 and or ending airport. (50+ people)
- Primary radar operators in various facilities in flight path (50+ people)
2. At Airport:
- Seize control of Pilot rotation and management for American airlines (20+ people)
- Seize control of Terminal and gate personal (15+ people)
3. Flight plan:
- Potentially file new flight plan last minute
4. The missile
- Delivery platform for missile to hit pentagon staffed by people who would take part in the murder of 3000+ People so they could kill hundreds of thousands in iraq. (50+ people)
- People who would keep track of missile inventory (50+ people)
- People to bring "plane scraps" to crash site that match flight 77 plane (50+ people)
- People to bring charred Personal effects of those on fight 77 (50+ people)
- People to bring charred airplane engines consistent with flight 77
- Must be able to do this unnoticed after missile hits
5. Flight 77
- Location for disposal of Flight 77 passengers (50+ people)
- Must not be discovered by other radar tracking facilities in route
- Passengers of flight 77 killed by people who would take part in the murder of 3000+ People so they could kill hundreds of thousands in iraq (50+ people)
- plane disposed of in sea trench
6. Deception
- Be able to pull this off without any evidence at all.
7. Containment
- Be able to prevent any of the 100's pf people involved in operation "Colossus Brain Trust" from coming forward for many years
- Be able to dispose of all evidence of operation "Colossus Brain Trust"
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I think the only reason so many people point to the missile theory, is because it might be the next plausible explanation. The reason it becomes the next plausible explanation is because the evidence of a plane hitting the pentagon is such garbage, and full of holes, that you know something had to hit it and not leave the debris that is consistent with a commercial airline crash. Something that made a small hole in the side of the building (before it collapsed) and then right outside that hole we don't see any broken off tail sections or wings.
This goes right along with what I mean, though, as far as the narrative or a version of explanation to be found in words and pictures when a person looks. A massive obstacle of persistently false information, like so few things I've seen in life.
For example: over and again, this will be represented as "the" hole to look at.
(http://s32.postimg.org/inarlf00l/punchout.jpg)
(http://s32.postimg.org/ctnsv1885/weenie.jpg)
When in fact the exterior wall was broken like this:
(http://s32.postimg.org/gt0obx6mt/overhead_E.jpg)
(http://s32.postimg.org/vle4bdadx/exteriorbig.jpg)
(http://www.wtfrly.com/wp-content/911truth/911pentagonhole1.jpg)
^That existed as you see it, until the structural loss caused this to happen:
(http://s32.postimg.org/yvi7z4vxh/cllapse.jpg)
As far as what's detailed in this post, what do you say?
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Btw, if anyone is looking for strange inconsistencies, you'll find many pro-official claims saying the left wing was taken off by the ground. But as you can see, it appears to have held together at least as well as the right wing.
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This goes right along with what I mean, though, as far as the narrative or a version of explanation to be found in words and pictures when a person looks. A massive obstacle of persistently false information, like so few things I've seen in life.
For example: over and again, this will be represented as "the" hole to look at.
(http://s32.postimg.org/inarlf00l/punchout.jpg)
(http://s32.postimg.org/ctnsv1885/weenie.jpg)
When in fact the exterior wall was broken like this:
(http://s32.postimg.org/gt0obx6mt/overhead_E.jpg)
(http://s32.postimg.org/vle4bdadx/exteriorbig.jpg)
(http://www.wtfrly.com/wp-content/911truth/911pentagonhole1.jpg)
^That existed as you see it, until the structural loss caused this to happen:
(http://s32.postimg.org/yvi7z4vxh/cllapse.jpg)
As far as what's detailed in this post, what do you say?
Very well illustrated post. Yes this is exactly what causes a problem, the damage to the building prior to collapse is very inconsistent to a plane crashing into it. Even the WTC had a giant gash in the BOTH towers, matching the fuselage and wingspan of the plane. This is totally inconsistent here at the pentagon. Anyone with a brain would compute that if the wings didn't slice through the building (as we see, they did not) then they would be ripped off and on the ground near the "fuselage" opening (and they are not)
Then the best kicker of all is Rumsfeld on the lawn helping with the cleanup of those 6 aluminum shards hahaha
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Very well illustrated post. Yes this is exactly what causes a problem, the damage to the building prior to collapse is very inconsistent to a plane crashing into it. Even the WTC had a giant gash in the BOTH towers, matching the fuselage and wingspan of the plane. This is totally inconsistent here at the pentagon. Anyone with a brain would compute that if the wings didn't slice through the building (as we see, they did not) then they would be ripped off and on the ground near the "fuselage" opening (and they are not)
Then the best kicker of all is Rumsfeld on the lawn helping with the cleanup of those 6 aluminum shards hahaha
Again, ignoring reality.
The wings (which hold the fuel) along with the rest of the fuselage burned up or disintegrated from the impact, and explosion. just like many other crashes (not all because of different conditions.)
(http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/world/2011/05/19/22-dead-plane-crash-argentine-patagonia/_jcr_content/par/featured-media/media-0.img.jpg/876/493/1421905245023.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46062000/jpg/_46062465_007652620-1.jpg)
(http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2015/03/France-Plane-Crash_Horo-635x357.jpg)
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03243/germanwings-crash-_3243873k.jpg)
(http://media.jrn.com/images/fatal-plane-crash_7_1435027421514_20220015_ver1.0_640_480.jpg)
(http://www.leadertelegram.com/image/2016/03/20/Russia-Plane-Crash-17.jpg)
(http://s.newsweek.com/sites/www.newsweek.com/files/styles/lg/public/2014/07/18/pro-russian-separatists-site-plane-crash.jpg)
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Again, ignoring reality.
The wings (which hold the fuel) along with the rest of the fuselage burned up or disintegrated from the impact, and explosion. just like many other crashes (not all because of different conditions.)
Please show me the damaged wall from the wing impacting it? (Let alone the insanely heavy Jet engine under the wing)
(http://www.wtfrly.com/wp-content/911truth/911pentagonhole1.jpg)
Unless you're suggesting that the wing exploded prior to touching the pentagon building and everything disintegrated in an instant?
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Please show me the damaged wall from the wing impacting it? (Let alone the insanely heavy Jet engine under the wing)
Material in the engines and Material in the landing gear are the hardest on on the plane. Remember a while back on youtube there was vid going around that showed an airliner landing with a skewed front wheel?
The rest of it is mostly aluminum and hollow. So there isn't the density for a very damaging impact on concrete.
That's why when crash at high speed they seems to disintegrate.
(https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/SandiaF4Montage-full.jpg)
Where as the landing gear combined with the force impact of the fuselage created the hole.
If there was a plane like hole in the building, you would see many main stream scientists questioning it.
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Unless you're suggesting that the wing exploded prior to touching the pentagon building and everything disintegrated in an instant?
I think it might have hit the ground first right next to the building and its forward energy had it continuing on.
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Smart missile or phony poles?
(https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/PentagonMissileoverview-full.jpg)
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Very well illustrated post. Yes this is exactly what causes a problem, the damage to the building prior to collapse is very inconsistent to a plane crashing into it. Even the WTC had a giant gash in the BOTH towers, matching the fuselage and wingspan of the plane. This is totally inconsistent here at the pentagon. Anyone with a brain would compute that if the wings didn't slice through the building (as we see, they did not) then they would be ripped off and on the ground near the "fuselage" opening (and they are not)
But wouldn't you say it is very consistent with what we'd expect to see, in that the strongest part of the wing forced the columns to fail while the weakest part of the wing was broken?
Then the best kicker of all is Rumsfeld on the lawn helping with the cleanup of those 6 aluminum shards hahaha
Yes, very hard to disagree with that.
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Do you think it is possible that conspirators may find some reason, incentive, benefit, etc. to have such a large percentage of individuals believing something such as that a missile hit, if reality could show that it did not?
There's real effort being put into building false stories on this one, and imo it is directly related to the strength of the evidence showing a plane.
When people say such-and-such could be done "if they want to shut-up" the CTers -- said mostly by CTers themselves -- I can't help but think it's how it was planned.
So when you see a production of 9/11 CT material, you can be almost guaranteed it is going to be misdirected or even outright fake. Just by the numbers, you will find that to be overwhelmingly so.
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The people responsible, have the highest incentive to see to a rampant spread of false CTs. Of course. As a matter of fact, you could take it directly to the bank, it is so sure. Meaning that the place has been flooded with oceans of false information, and not a bit less than that could be expected. To a legitimate CTer, I would ask how else could this have possibly been planned, if not to include that.
So if you are opposed to the official story, and you honestly seek truth, then no way can you escape from forcing yourself to recognize that. You need to check it, hard.
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But wouldn't you say it is very consistent with what we'd expect to see, in that the strongest part of the wing forced the columns to fail while the weakest part of the wing was broken?
Yes, very hard to disagree with that.
No. It is not consistent with that we'd expect to see.
Columns intact (and buckling outward)
(https://www.911truthoutreach.org/images/articles/2014/06/img/columns-bent-outward.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zFE66pJgycY/RcHZcseUjfI/AAAAAAAAACU/lghoNCaXbO4/s400/Fire_Columns.jpg)
1 Tiny impact zone (accounting only for what is supposed to be the fuselage) Nothing showing the 2 engines which were by far the heaviest and most dense parts of the plane)
(http://www.rense.com/general86/Damage4.jpg)
Inconsistent damage (aside from lack of debris) Assuming the plane hit while skimming the ground and making impact at the 2nd storey and below... I don't think so
(http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/hufschmid/eh29.jpg)
The surveillance footage is bogus. A small white blur ain't going to cut it.
(https://911planeshoax.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/pentagon-surveillance-could-not-have-missed-the-plane.jpg)
Pentagon hit is something out of a looney tunes cartoon
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4p91l9CtlTA/hqdefault.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/o256PYS.jpg)
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No. It is not consistent with that we'd expect to see.
Columns intact (and buckling outward)
Again, ignoring reality.
Why would you expect to see that?
F-4 flying into brick wall, notice how it disintegrates half way in.
(https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/SandiaF4Montage-full.jpg)
Building hit by c-130 in 2005
(http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/compare/docs/iranfocus_iran1.jpg)
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41093000/jpg/_41093554_iran203body.jpg)
Planes are essentially hollow aluminum shells.
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another part of reality you are ignoring:
The surveillance footage is bogus. A small white blur ain't going to cut it.
Frame rates and resulution on security cams in 2001 aimed at a driveway aren't going to give you the image you think it should
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Again, ignoring reality.
Why would you expect to see that?
F-4 flying into brick wall, notice how it disintegrates half way in.
(https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/SandiaF4Montage-full.jpg)
Building hit by c-130 in 2005
(http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/compare/docs/iranfocus_iran1.jpg)
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41093000/jpg/_41093554_iran203body.jpg)
Planes are essentially hollow aluminum shells.
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another part of reality you are ignoring:
Frame rates and resulution on security cams in 2001 aimed at a driveway aren't going to give you the image you think it should
Why don't you show the OTHER pictures of that crash?
The ones that show it didn't disintegrate as easily as you claim planes are supposed to ...
(http://danamotor.ir/Tehran_C130_Plane_Crash_Mehrabad.jpg)
(http://www.1001crash.com/latest/2005/Iran_C130_im3.jpg)
(http://www.1001crash.com/latest/2005/Iran_C130_im5.jpg)
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Why don't you show the OTHER pictures of that crash?
The ones that show it didn't disintegrate as easily as you claim planes are supposed to ...
(http://danamotor.ir/Tehran_C130_Plane_Crash_Mehrabad.jpg)
(http://www.1001crash.com/latest/2005/Iran_C130_im3.jpg)
(http://www.1001crash.com/latest/2005/Iran_C130_im5.jpg)
It doesn't change the point. Planes do sometimes disintegrate. With the c-130 the pic shows how the building stayed in tact. (answering why there wasn't a plane like hole in the pentagon) On top of that the c-130 is a turbo prop not a jet turbine. Just like the concrete wall with f-4 and you can see it disintegrating. The factors at play here are: Speed, mass, fuel, angel, type of plane etc. And there was wreckage of flight 77.
(http://www.rense.com/general32/landinggear002.jpg)
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/chainsawmoth/FrustratingFraud/landinggear.jpg)
(http://www.wtfrly.com/wp-content/911truth/911pentagondebrismontage.jpg)
(http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/pentagon/pentagon-engine3.jpg)
(http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/pentagon/pentagon-engine4.jpg)
(http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/pentagon/rb211-pentagon.jpg)
That's why when you see some crashes much of the plane stays in tact because the pilot was slowing the plane down and trying to keep in tact. With flight 77, the pilot was going around 480 mph fully fueled. Same as the WTC 1-2 where the plane looked like it vanished right into the building.
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Wow somebody is angry...
If you're going to teach an imbecile child anything, stop rambling and learn better English.
Secondly, You contradict yourself when talking about the security footage at the pentagon. Talking about missiles going at mach 5?
I thought you were on the side of the "official" story, in which a plane hit the pentagon. If that's the case then you would want those videos
released because they would have proof of the plane. Also, saying the pentagon is just an office building with papers in it, and questioning the level of security
within those grounds... I feel like i'm dealing with the imbecile child. Please refrain from speaking. You are incapable of debating on these topics.
What make you think that I am angry? Did I scare you, little child? Fact is that I am mostly laughing to the overwhelming stupidity of these foil hat morons, not angry at all. What comes to your comment, I am on the side of the truth, no matter who present it, and the official investigation seem to be closest to that. At least they have some evidence which proves what happen, while foil hats have just bullshit. What comes to Pentagon, foil hat morons tend to exaggerate the importance of the security cams around the pentagon, while there isn't any mystery in it. It is a fucking office building, there isn't any kind of real threat what would create a need to have dozens of security cameras. They watch doorways and gates, because there wasn't any need for more security, until 9/11. Mach 5 was understatement, Russian middle class ballistic missile fly at the speed of 3530 m/s = Mach 10.3, so you doesn't see even a flash at the security tape. As I said confiscating the security cameras from the area around the pentagon is basic crime scene practice, and police do it as we speak at the Orlando, just like they do with any other crime scene. If the tapes from the area of the Pentagon didn't reveal anything new, why publish them? As I said, there is thousand of hours of videos about he people taking care of their business, buying stuff etc., and nothing about the Pentagon, because those cameras were from shops etc. Why it is so hard to understand, while you see these kind of security tapes every day in news? What makes the 9/11 attack any special? Because foil hat morons say it is, and they are lying as always. Only reason to be puzzled about these simple things is the tales of the foil hat morons, and your lack of ability to think yourself.
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Once again ignoring reality.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/speedyboris/renandstimpy/travelogue-36_zpsed5a1408.jpg)
Well, that is only way their theories work. What is quite amazing is the level of ignorance of these morons, because these brats doesn't really know shit about anything. Missiles just make holes to the walls...but in the name of holy fuck, how? Doesn't these brats know what the missiles are made for, what are they made from, and how they work? No, in fact they doesn't have a brains to figure it out, so they have to trust in that crap what they find from the foil hat sites, and say it is "thinking with their own brains". For example, how it is possible that tiny, only about 5 meter long and relatively light missile make holes to multiple concrete walls, when the Boeing 757 is inadequate to do so much destruction there were? There wasn't any explosion in the Pentagon, because photos prove the fact that nothing came out from the building. There isn't even one chair, not even one brick on the lawn which would indicate that something has exploded inside the building, so what kind of missile they used? Some kind of battering ram tanker missile, which has wings and which can carry 12000 tons of kerosene? How stupid man has to be to believe something like that? For real?
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No. It is not consistent with that we'd expect to see.
Columns intact (and buckling outward)
(https://www.911truthoutreach.org/images/articles/2014/06/img/columns-bent-outward.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zFE66pJgycY/RcHZcseUjfI/AAAAAAAAACU/lghoNCaXbO4/s400/Fire_Columns.jpg)
1 Tiny impact zone (accounting only for what is supposed to be the fuselage) Nothing showing the 2 engines which were by far the heaviest and most dense parts of the plane)
(http://www.rense.com/general86/Damage4.jpg)
Inconsistent damage (aside from lack of debris) Assuming the plane hit while skimming the ground and making impact at the 2nd storey and below... I don't think so
(http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/hufschmid/eh29.jpg)
The surveillance footage is bogus. A small white blur ain't going to cut it.
(https://911planeshoax.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/pentagon-surveillance-could-not-have-missed-the-plane.jpg)
Pentagon hit is something out of a looney tunes cartoon
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4p91l9CtlTA/hqdefault.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/o256PYS.jpg)
But the real question is how do you have anything which you would expect to see, while this was a first of it's kind of an attack? You see, this is the part where you foil hat guys always stumbled. If there isn't any previous happening to compare this, only thing you have is your imagination, and that is worthless. You are overestimating the value of your imagination, because that piece of crap has no value at all. It doesn't prove anything, and you haven't anything else. Not even single evidence about the whole 9/11 attack, but that doesn't slow you a bit. I have to ask how it feels to live with no brains at all? I mean even the mentally handicapped morons have some kind of brains, but you? How the hell that happen?
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But the real question is how do you have anything which you would expect to see, while this was a first of it's kind of an attack? You see, this is the part where you foil hat guys always stumbled. If there isn't any previous happening to compare this, only thing you have is your imagination, and that is worthless. You are overestimating the value of your imagination, because that piece of crap has no value at all. It doesn't prove anything, and you haven't anything else. Not even single evidence about the whole 9/11 attack, but that doesn't slow you a bit. I have to ask how it feels to live with no brains at all? I mean even the mentally handicapped morons have some kind of brains, but you? How the hell that happen?
Spoken like a true scholar :) You must win all the arguments with your fellow pupils in the 4th grade
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I appreciate your views, Colossus. We're on the same page when it comes to the most important question about 9/11, and absolutely no disrespect intended over anything else that we may not fully agree on.
No. It is not consistent with that we'd expect to see.
Columns intact (and buckling outward)
(https://www.911truthoutreach.org/images/articles/2014/06/img/columns-bent-outward.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zFE66pJgycY/RcHZcseUjfI/AAAAAAAAACU/lghoNCaXbO4/s400/Fire_Columns.jpg)
From what I see, the columns have been broken into pieces and are hanging off heavily twisted rebar, which itself had lost considerable anchor and function.
If those are angled outward (I can't tell, but will try to find out) then is this the reason for suspicion: that the reinforcement bar should be expected to be pushed in by the plane and stay that way, regardless of the state of anchoring and regardless of the outward force of energy from the combustion? IDK but that is an interesting point that's good to look at.
1 Tiny impact zone (accounting only for what is supposed to be the fuselage) Nothing showing the 2 engines which were by far the heaviest and most dense parts of the plane)
(http://www.rense.com/general86/Damage4.jpg)
I'm trying to figure out what you mean about this part. If you look at the overhead view of the scene and you consider the building height of 77 feet, you can gauge the proportions.
Inconsistent damage (aside from lack of debris) Assuming the plane hit while skimming the ground and making impact at the 2nd storey and below... I don't think so
(http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/hufschmid/eh29.jpg)
The plane was moving at 520 mph upon impact, though, and hitting something of far greater integrity than what the WTC structure held.
One thing I will say, is that if the plane did what it did while under direction of a person in the cockpit, then it must've been one of the most incredible displays of stupid luck in the history of moving objects. But at the same time, I wouldn't automatically say it's impossible. Either way, that question can only lead so far if someone wants to rely just on it.
The surveillance footage is bogus. A small white blur ain't going to cut it.
(https://911planeshoax.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/pentagon-surveillance-could-not-have-missed-the-plane.jpg)
Pentagon hit is something out of a looney tunes cartoon
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4p91l9CtlTA/hqdefault.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/o256PYS.jpg)
Remember, though, the white blur is being emitted by the plane and no one tries to rightly claim it's the plane. The actual plane can be seen very slightly above and to the left of the white blur and there's no question it is an image of that. If you consider this as a matter of pixels, which it is, then that means literally thousands of individual spots visually coincide precisely with that of a plane. And at that point in time and space, doing what it is doing: what else could it be? That's very powerful.
The only way around it, is to make a claim saying that the image was added to the footage (requiring removal of whatever it's supposed to be replacing, I suppose, under a theory like that) but then the resulting questions couldn't be answered with any seriousness. From the matter of flight documentation to the matter of physical damage, the mountain of things to overcome in order to stage such a story would have to be associated with some overwhelmingly attractive benefit to justify the risk and difficulty in doing that, and I cannot imagine what it could be. It doesn't exist imo. But I'd entertain anything to say otherwise.