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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Ron on March 22, 2006, 09:53:18 AM
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but not with the IFBB. It seems that Wayne DeMilia, with his new Pro Division Bodybuilding organization, is bringing back the Night of Champions has his first event under the new Pro status division. Question is if he can use the Night of Champion name. Well, according to sources, he can, as he trademarked the Night of Champions and also the Pro Division. The IFBB recently changed there pro competitors name from Pro Division to Professional League to make sure that everyone knows who is who in this ever changing dynamics of bodybuilding.
Will this show get off the air? Who will be actually competing in this show? Will the sponsors back this show? Will competitors and fans come to the show? Will the IFBB get tough in any athlete competing or even sitting in the audience at this show. These questions and more is what many are asking now.
Of course, there are others that are just saying this is all just words in a press release - that you need sponsors and peopel to back you up. As one just watching, it will be interesting to see what happens...
Here is the latest press release... Press release #5
For Immediate Release - March 22, 2006
PRO DIVISION INC ANNOUNCES THE RETURN OF NIGHT OF CHAMPIONS
Pro Division Inc is proud to announce the initial event on their schedule with the return of NIGHT OF CHAMPIONS, September 15th and 16th at the Town Hall Theater in New York City.
NIGHT OF CHAMPIONS is the second longest running professional event in Bodybuilding history with the show this fall being 27th edition of the event.
The event will take place over two days with the Friday night affair being an Amateur Pro Qualifier in which the top two finishers in each of the five weight divisions will earn “pro status” in Pro Division Inc and be eligible to compete as a professional in Night of Champions the next day. Saturday will feature the NOC judging at 2:00PM and the NOC finals at 8:00PM.
Wayne S. DeMilia, CEO of Pro Division Inc states, “We are pleased and privileged to have Night of Champions be the opening of this new beginning, but we will also keep parts of the past to have this event remain as a compass for the navigation of the sport. I am elated that Charles Blake, the greatest stage innovator and designer in Bodybuilding history, will be at my side to elevate the level of NOC to heights never before achieved. Charles will not only outdo anything ever seen at a Bodybuilding event, he will also bring in his staff of lighting, staging and audio aficionados to give the fans an evening of entertainment and amazement that will be hard pressed to match.
DeMilia goes on, “We are also happy to bring the event back to the Town Hall Theater, the location of the first NOC in 1978. Town Hall is a beautiful intimate theater, with state of the art lighting and sound. With no orchestra pit, the site lines are perfect and the fans will feel that they are right on top of the stage. In fact, from the front row of the loge boxes in the balcony to the front of the stage is only 29 feet. This will give the fans the opportunity to see details in the physique that, in the past, was only available to the judges.”
In closing, DeMilia announces, “This is only our first event of 2006. Our next press release will announce other events on the PDI fall contest schedule. We are on track to have a minimum of 6 shows this fall, 12 to 15 shows in 2007, and 25 pro events encompassing all major continents by the 2010 season.”
Anyone wishing to purchase tickets for NOC should do so by contacting us at prodivisioninc@yahoo.com.
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Looks like everything is coming together well.
Early bird gets the paycheck.
Word is that the stage will be the best ever seen in a pro BBing venue.
Also, Special Ed and I will be shooting dice in the alley outside the NOC if anyone wants to meet us.
Pro Division Inc will promote each year a series of “Amateur Pro Qualifiers.” These events will be run for the sole purpose of amateur athletes achieving pro status in Pro Division Inc.
The first three of such events will be promoted on the following dates and locations:
1. Florida August 11-12
2. Las Vegas August 25-26
3. New York City September 15
Each event will have five weight divisions, and for our first year, the top two in each weight division will receive pro status. Weight divisions are as follows:
Up to 175 pounds
Over 175, up to and including 190 pounds
Over 190, up to and including 205 pounds
Over 205, up to and including 220 pounds
Over 220 pounds
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I for one think this new federation is good for bodybuilding as a whole. It's time the IFBB got nudged a bit. NABBA is on its last legs in the US, & the other significant federations are drug tested. So it will be interesting to see who competes & what goes down. Let's just hope it's not another WBF fiasco.
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It's career suicide for any pro established or otherwise. It would be cool if politcs weren't involved and those who did compete didnt face any flack from the IFBB. it would be a shame to have another Aaron Baker - incredible physique and potential never given his due in the IFBB . . .
(http://www.aaronbaker.net/cobakernew.jpg)
You were awesome Batman - too bad it never worked out for you
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Far as I know Wayne owns the name, "Night of Champions".
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I wonder if a compeitors list will surface or if it will be a mystery until the night of.....
Romance....Mystery.....I ntrigue......
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Will this get off the ground? Well it looks to me like it's being well planned for years to come already.
The IFBB has been poorly planned quite a bit lately. 2005 O anyone?
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The Beacon Theater security guards always have the best crack. I'm a goin' to that hootananny!
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who plans an event without sponsors?... so if this is legit, name them. i want athlete names as well. without sponsors or athletes this is more bs from a guy with a bad case of sour grapes :P
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Too bad they moved it from the usual spring date; part of the energy came from the timing.
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If there's enough start up $ to get this going legitimately, good for them. Competition usually benefits the athletes more than anything. Say what you will about the WBF; it's the main reason bodybuilders started getting contracts...
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Wayne's ability to run a show is superior to anyone promoting IFBB shows (with the exception of the Arnold). If he can get this thing off the ground, it would be great for bodybuilding. I wouldn't be surprised if the NOC outsells the NY Pro this year.
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Will this get off the ground? Well it looks to me like it's being well planned for years to come already.
The IFBB has been poorly planned quite a bit lately. 2005 O anyone?
Ha, I spoke too soon. It looks like the 2006 O is being planned poorly and changed quite a bit. The IFBB is leaving the door open for competition...
The new FED will steal the new blood in BBing by awarding more cards and having more potential shows ($). But who are the sponsers?
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both dates in new york will be sold out way in advance.
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rename it Night of the Posing Sessions.
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Good! I'm glad the show is returning! The NY Pro is weak. It sucked last year and it will suck this year. I just hope the right pros cross over. Not a bunch of 3rd tier guys.
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Good! I'm glad the show is returning! The NY Pro is weak. It sucked last year and it will suck this year. I just hope the right pros cross over. Not a bunch of 3rd tier guys.
It'll be exciting no matter what. Learning all new pros, along with the ones we're used to.
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It'll be exciting no matter what. Learning all new pros, along with the ones we're used to.
Yeah, but you know Kamali's going to cross over and the rest of the euros who couldn't make it in the IFBB. I just hope the money is right for these guys. i guess we'll have to wait and see. But the IFBB is going to have alot to deal with if some of the big names cross over....Lee, Dex, Melvin, Martinez, Charles, James, etc...
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I told you it would come back. This is only the beginning. Better buy your tickets early because you will be surprised who will compete.
INSIDER Z (the man who sees tomorrow)
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I told you it would come back. This is only the beginning. Better buy your tickets early because you will be surprised who will compete.
INSIDER Z (the man who sees tomorrow)
insider, we should talk.
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insider, we should talk.
About what?
Insider Z
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For information on the Pro Division and it's shows, plus more.
http://www.xtreme-usa.com/index.htm (http://www.xtreme-usa.com/index.htm)
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(http://www.xtreme-usa.com/new%20york/images/newyorkposter1.jpg)
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(http://www.xtreme-usa.com/europe/images/eurotourschedule.gif)
JUDGING RULES PRO EVENT
All competitions in Pro Division, Inc will be judged using the placement system. When there are more than 20 athletes in a competition, judges will judge from 1 to 15 with all other athletes receiving a 16. When there are 20 or less competitors in a competition, the judges will place them from 1 to 20 in each appropriate round.
Each competition will have a minimum of seven judges and an alternate judge. The alternate score will only be used is one of the seven voting judges is unable to continue in the competition.
In major competitions there will be eleven judges and an alternate judge. In major competitions, computer scoring will be used with the alternate score being determined at random by the computer in each round.
The contest will be judged based on five rounds, with each round being an equal 20% of the score. The athlete with the lowest score after five rounds is the winner.
SCORE #1--ROUND 1—Symmetry & Aesthetics—20%
WHAT THE JUDGES ARE LOOKING FOR:
The judges are looking for overall symmetry, aesthetics, balance and proportion. There should be a “V” taper from the shoulders to the waist. The stomach region should be muscular yet small and tight from all angles. From the front, the thighs should have an outer sweep and the calves should show an inner muscle belly. There skin should show an overall tightness from all angles.
Muscularity and size should be taken into account in this round, but the overall aesthetic look of the body should take precedence.
PROCEDURE:
In this round the athlete is viewed and compared from four sides, (quarter poses front, right side, back, left side), in the semi relaxed position. In all four positions knees are to be locked, feet are to be no more than 2 inches apart, and there is to be no twisting of the upper torso.
The athletes will come out in groups of no more than ten at a time to do the quarter poses as a group, and then compared 2 or 3 at a time. When all the judges are satisfied, athletes are placed, score sheets marked and given to the head judge.
SCORE #2--OUND 2—Muscularity in the Seven Compulsory Poses—20%
WHAT ARE THE JUDGES LOOKING FOR:
The judges are looking for size, muscularity, definition and separation based just upon the seven compulsory poses.
PROCEDURE:
The athletes will be judged in the seven compulsory poses:
Front Double Biceps
Front Lat Spread
Side Chest
Rear Double Bicep
Rear Lat Spread
Front Abdominal & Thighs
Front Most Muscular Crab
The athletes will come out and do the seven compulsory poses individually (when there are more than 20 athletes in a competition, the athletes will be brought out 2 at a time), then be brought out and compared in groups of 2, 3 or 4.
SCORE #3--ROUND 3A--FREE POSING—20%
WHAT THE JUDGES ARE LOOKING FOR
The judges are judging the overall physique on all points (aesthetics, muscularity, size, balance, proportion, and symmetry) but only what the athlete shows them. If an athlete hides his weak points, it is to his advantage and the judge will base the score on what is presented. This score is based solely on the body, not presentation.
PROCEDURE
Each athlete presents his body as he wants it to be seen, choreographed to music for approximately three minutes. . If he has weak points on his physique or weak poses, he is not required to do them He is to present his body to his best advantage to the judges.
SCORE #4--ROUND 3B—ENTERTAINMENT QUALITY—20%
WHAT THE JUDGES ARE LOOKING FOR:
The judges will be giving a second score solely on the entertainment value of the posing routine. Props and special effects can be used, but the athlete must remember that if the body is covered too much or for too long, or if the effects prevent the adequate presentation of the body in the judge’s mind, it could effect the score in round 3A.
SCORE #5—ROUND 4—FINAL POSEDOWN—20%
WHAT THE JUDGES ARE LOOKING FOR:
This is the judge’s final chance to assess the athlete’s physique. The judges are first looking at the physique as a whole, then breaking it down to symmetry, aesthetics, muscularity, size, balance and proportion.
PROCEDURE
The top six will come out as a group in numerical order. The judges can ask the head judge for repositioning of the athletes if necessary to aid in the judging. Athletes will first do quarter turns as a group, then the seven compulsory poses as a group. The head judge will then order the athletes to “posedown” and the athletes will break into free posing of their choice to outdo the other athletes on stage.
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schedule- Night of Champions Pro Division Inc.
September 15
Evening
Night Of Champions Pro Division Inc.
Amateur Men’s Bodybuilding PRO QUALIFIER
September 16
Day Pro Prejudging
Night of Champions Pro Division Inc.
Pro Men’s Bodybuilding
September 16
Evening Pro Finals
Night Of Champions Pro Division Inc.
Pro Men’s Bodybuilding
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Check out the sponsors too.Hes got plenty of sponsors.
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240 your times square picture is negative
it hasn't looked like that since rudy cleaned it up
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Okay so we have a show announced...
What's the prize money breakdown?
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that's mot my pic- I linked it directly from their site
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that's mot my pic- I linked it directly from their site
tell em to change it NOW
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Why have they dropped the side-triceps from the compulsories?
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Why have they dropped the side-triceps from the compulsories?
Yeah I don't understand that one too
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Why have they dropped the side-triceps from the compulsories?
Why not? The side chest is enough as far as comparing the side of the body. Concidering that the tricep is such a small muscle group then we could also have a side forearm or side bicep pose. I always thought the side tri was a wasted pose. Does anyone here know when the IFBB added that pose?
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Why have they dropped the side-triceps from the compulsories?
I thought you said this fed wasn't going to happen.
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Excellent! I seriously had my doubts about this whole thing, being that I live away the Bodybuilding hub I wasn't hearing much.
Since 240 seems to be "in the know" I wonder if Shawn Ray is going to ride him about for a competitors list? ::)
Pleasantly surprised,
Racquel
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Wayne's ability to run a show is superior to anyone promoting IFBB shows (with the exception of the Arnold). If he can get this thing off the ground, it would be great for bodybuilding. I wouldn't be surprised if the NOC outsells the NY Pro this year.
Don't be surprised when it doesn't.
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I thought you said this fed wasn't going to happen.
I still have the same opinion.
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Good! I'm glad the show is returning! The NY Pro is weak. It sucked last year and it will suck this year. I just hope the right pros cross over. Not a bunch of 3rd tier guys.
If there is no guaranteed money (real money), no IFBB pro except for 4th tier guys/washed up veterans will cross over.
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Why have they dropped the side-triceps from the compulsories?
Hey Kevin,
If you want to know why there is no side tricep, why don't you just call Wayne and ask. If he is in his office, he picks up the phone. He doesn't hide like other people in this sport.
You also seem to have doubts that NOC and other PDI shows will take place this year. Well, I checked the theater, it is booked by PDI and I sent my check for tickets.
Will you be there Kevin? Will they (the IFBB/Flex Mag/AMI) allow you to attend? Will you be taking photos in the press section?
If you are there, I will come and say hello
INSIDER Z (the man who sees tomorrow and has a VIP ticket for NOC)
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Hey Kevin,
If you want to know why there is no side tricep, why don't you just call Wayne and ask. If he is in his office, he picks up the phone. He doesn't hide like other people in this sport.
You also seem to have doubts that NOC and other PDI shows will take place this year. Well, I checked the theater, it is booked by PDI and I sent my check for tickets.
Will you be there Kevin? Will they (the IFBB/Flex Mag/AMI) allow you to attend? Will you be taking photos in the press section?
If you are there, I will come and say hello
INSIDER Z (the man who sees tomorrow and has a VIP ticket for NOC)
Insider, any info on the Florida Show? I'd like to get tickets.
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Hey Kevin,
If you want to know why there is no side tricep, why don't you just call Wayne and ask. If he is in his office, he picks up the phone. He doesn't hide like other people in this sport.
You also seem to have doubts that NOC and other PDI shows will take place this year. Well, I checked the theater, it is booked by PDI and I sent my check for tickets.
Will you be there Kevin? Will they (the IFBB/Flex Mag/AMI) allow you to attend? Will you be taking photos in the press section?
If you are there, I will come and say hello
INSIDER Z (the man who sees tomorrow and has a VIP ticket for NOC)
Hi Georgio,
I've e-mailed the PDI about the decision but no reply yet.
Yes, I still have doubts about these events taking place.
Whose the promoter in the UK?
How much were your tickets and you get them from Wayne or the theatre?
As I don't believe it's going to happen I have no plans to be there. Of course, if I am wrong and I'm asked to cover it, I will and lunch is on me.
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Hi Georgio,
I've e-mailed the PDI about the decision but no reply yet.
Yes, I still have doubts about these events taking place.
Whose the promoter in the UK?
How much were your tickets and you get them from Wayne or the theatre?
As I don't believe it's going to happen I have no plans to be there. Of course, if I am wrong and I'm asked to cover it, I will and lunch is on me.
Hey Kev,
who's Georgio?
If I'm right about your opinion who is Insider Z, i'm sorry but you got it wrong.
Regarding the UK show, I tell you again: call Wayne and he will be more than glad to answer your questions.
You still have his number, I guess.
About the ticket I have a reservation receipt from the theatre and I spent 50 bucks.
Who will choose the place for lunch?
Insider Z
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Hey Kev,
who's Georgio?
If I'm right about your opinion who is Insider Z, i'm sorry but you got it wrong.
Regarding the UK show, I tell you again: call Wayne and he will be more than glad to answer your questions.
You still have his number, I guess.
About the ticket I have a reservation receipt from the theatre and I spent 50 bucks.
Who will choose the place for lunch?
Insider Z
A close friend of Wayne told me that "Insider Z" is his old friend Georgio.
I'll give hin a call but I thought you had all the information?
Do you have the number you called for the tickets? I called the box office and they had no knowledge of the show or any tickets? They don't have any information posted on their website.
You can choose the lunch venue.
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Insider "Georgio" is deleting all his old posts, for fear of getting in trouble.
Caught.
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Do you have the number you called for the tickets? I called the box office and they had no knowledge of the show or any tickets? They don't have any information posted on their website.
Maybe you've dialed the wrong number.
I'm telling you: I have a reserved seat in the fourth row right behind our good friend Chick, one of the characters of the fellowship of the ring.
Insider Z
p.s.
Japanese or Mexican?
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Is it true that BB.com will be a sponser at the NOC?
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Maybe you've dialed the wrong number.
I'm telling you: I have a reserved seat in the fourth row right behind our good friend Chick, one of the characters of the fellowship of the ring.
Insider Z
p.s.
Japanese or Mexican?
No I dialled the number that is on their site but they said they had no information. That's why I asked if you could tell me the number that you called.
Mexican.
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i remember back in 82 i saw the mr america contest in nyc,i remember tim belknap being there as well as haney,it was a good show cause the gh guts werent around back then and the builds looked better imo
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Is it true that BB.com will be a sponser at the NOC?
I'm telling you guys will be surprised.
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I'm telling you guys will be surprised.
Why is it such a secret?
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According to www.xtreme-usa.com , bb.com will be having a webcast from the Florida PDI pro qualifer show
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Why is it such a secret?
Hey photo guy, who says it's a secret, just because you don't know? Wayne is deciding to announce certain info at certain times. That doesn't make it a secret.
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Hey photo guy, who says it's a secret, just because you don't know? Wayne is deciding to announce certain info at certain times. That doesn't make it a secret.
duh, it's a secret only to him
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Hey 240.......first I am not named Giorgio. Second, I have 2 homes (one in Maine and the other in Europe) and that's how I have so many contacts because I know people in many places.
If you want to talk to me, give me a way to contact you. If you want to talk to Wayne, just email him like I do. He responds to everyone. In fact, if you live in Florida I know he goes down there quite often
To my good friend Kevin, NOC will happen. You want to bet more than one dinner. How about we bet one dinner on whether or not NOC will happen and another dinner on whether or not England will happen. I do like Mexican and Japanese and I will be in NY for more than one night in September, so you can take me out each night (even if you are not allowed to go to the show).
It would almost seem as if we were dating.
INSIDER Z
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Hey 240.......first I am not named Giorgio. Second, I have 2 homes (one in Maine and the other in Europe) and that's how I have so many contacts because I know people in many places.
If you want to talk to me, give me a way to contact you. If you want to talk to Wayne, just email him like I do. He responds to everyone. In fact, if you live in Florida I know he goes down there quite often
To my good friend Kevin, NOC will happen. You want to bet more than one dinner. How about we bet one dinner on whether or not NOC will happen and another dinner on whether or not England will happen. I do like Mexican and Japanese and I will be in NY for more than one night in September, so you can take me out each night (even if you are not allowed to go to the show).
It would almost seem as if we were dating.
INSIDER Z
Maine-The new bbing mecca
. . . and always with the flirting.
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This new Night of Champions will be just like the old one, except that the Top 6 athletes will be gone, replaced by 6 Jack London quality competitors. Please say it ain't so :'(
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I do find it funny how Kevin think its such a secret cause he doens't know. I guess the old saying "it's not what's you know but who you know" really applies here.
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This new Night of Champions will be just like the old one, except that the Top 6 athletes will be gone, replaced by 6 Jack London quality competitors. Please say it ain't so :'(
It ain't so.
Insider Z
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It ain't so.
Insider Z
So you are saying that Jack London has a poor physique ;D?
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So you are saying that Jack London has a poor physique ;D?
Would you be so kind to quote the post where I stated that?
Insider Z
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Would you be so kind to quote the post where I stated that?
Insider Z
You implied that his physique was poor when you said that the NOC wouldn't be full of Jack London quality physiques. Unless you are saying that Jack London has a great physique and the other competitors don't ;D
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You implied that his physique was poor when you said that the NOC wouldn't be full of Jack London quality physiques. Unless you are saying that Jack London has a great physique and the other competitors don't ;D
bruce wayne should be proud of you . . . ;D
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Why is Horton acting so weird about a new fed? He is a photographer - and should be able to take pics of whatever show he wanted. Wait, Flex isn't a BBing mag, it's an IFBB mag.
Good luck MD - use this to your advantage (and have some good contest reports and pics)!!!
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You implied that his physique was poor when you said that the NOC wouldn't be full of Jack London quality physiques. Unless you are saying that Jack London has a great physique and the other competitors don't ;D
I didn't imply anything but I'm sure you won't share my opinion.
Insider Z
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Sorry if this has been addressed, but will there be a female bodybuilding contest at NOC- or even a division for females?
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Does that mean i can do the NOC then two weeks later do the Olympia?
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Joe - According to the podcast, no.
In fact, Demilia spoke very negatively about all female divisions and said he has no plans to add them in the future.
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I do find it funny how Kevin think its such a secret cause he doens't know. I guess the old saying "it's not what's you know but who you know" really applies here.
I admit I don't know the information you say you have, so I don't see what is funny about that.
You have repeatedly mentioned that we will be surprised by what you know but you won't reveal it. So you want to keep it a secret, why?
Didn't you say you once promoted a show that lost a lot of money despite having out a huge amount of time and effort into it?
Considering your experience, why do you think that all these other promoters are willing to put there money up yet are not able to give out any information about the show?
Do you have any information about the promoters in Florida? Weren't they the same people who put on the show in 2004 and didn't pay the athletes?
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To my good friend Kevin, NOC will happen. You want to bet more than one dinner. How about we bet one dinner on whether or not NOC will happen and another dinner on whether or not England will happen. I do like Mexican and Japanese and I will be in NY for more than one night in September, so you can take me out each night (even if you are not allowed to go to the show).
It would almost seem as if we were dating.
INSIDER Z
I've already said that I would buy the meal in NY if I'm there so there is no need for a bet. If it doesn't happen I'm happy to wallow in an "I told you so" moment so you don't have to buy me a meal. The same goes for England. Who is the promoter there? What's the date and venue?
I'd still appreciate the telephone number of where you got your NY tickets.
As for dating, I can understand why you'd find me attractive enough to want to, but I prefer females. Sorry.
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Why is Horton acting so weird about a new fed? He is a photographer - and should be able to take pics of whatever show he wanted. Wait, Flex isn't a BBing mag, it's an IFBB mag.
Good luck MD - use this to your advantage (and have some good contest reports and pics)!!!
As this is a forum to discuss various issues, I've questioned the validity of the claims being made about the PDI. My doubts over the PDI are based on previous experience and nothing to do with my work for FLEX.
This is not the first time Wayne has attempted to start a new organisation. Last time it failed due to zero supoort from anyone in the US and Europe.
All we've had is a few "press releases" with no substance behind them.
One of them announced a facility for a free yearly health check up at a leading phsychiatric hospital! A call to them revealed that there was no truth to this!
I've asked who the promoters are. No reply.
I've asked who the sponsors are. No reply.
We're asked to believe that there are to be 6 or 7 shows in Europe yet not one of these has been confirmed by anyone. Not a single promoter has raised his hand and said "Yes, I'm putting on a show"
Has anyone other than Insider Z been able to get tickets for any of these shows?
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Is it true that BB.com will be a sponser at the NOC?
YES! They will be. It's on the website.
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Maine-The new bbing mecca
. . . and always with the flirting.
i stay in a shack on cranberry island when i go to maine every august
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Poor KM. He's going to be eating a lot of shit come August and September. Just keep saying to yourself "It's not going to happen. "
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As this is a forum to discuss various issues, I've questioned the validity of the claims being made about the PDI. My doubts over the PDI are based on previous experience and nothing to do with my work for FLEX.
This is not the first time Wayne has attempted to start a new organisation. Last time it failed due to zero supoort from anyone in the US and Europe.
All we've had is a few "press releases" with no substance behind them.
One of them announced a facility for a free yearly health check up at a leading phsychiatric hospital! A call to them revealed that there was no truth to this!
I've asked who the promoters are. No reply.
I've asked who the sponsors are. No reply.
We're asked to believe that there are to be 6 or 7 shows in Europe yet not one of these has been confirmed by anyone. Not a single promoter has raised his hand and said "Yes, I'm putting on a show"
Has anyone other than Insider Z been able to get tickets for any of these shows?
Just because you ask a question does not mean the you should expect an answer. Explain to me why you should be privy to info that no one else has yet?
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Just because you ask a question does not mean the you should expect an answer. Explain to me why you should be privy to info that no one else has yet?
Because he is KMH dammit :D
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To tell you the truth if Wayne says I can say something I will. Today he asked me not to mention some stuff and I won't. I am supporting Wayne 1000% on this because he is very passionate about BB. He works hard and puts himself in line for critisism. I like that. I hate people who hide behind others. I hate people who use others to do their dirty work yet reap the accolades when something good happens and lets the front guy take all the shit when something bad happens. Wayne is out there good or bad. But at least he is out there.
And Lee please do the NOC and then the Olympia. That would be great. And with all the negativity Chic says about the PDI it will be funny to see him working their booth.
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bruce wayne should be proud of you . . . ;D
Thank you, my friend ;D Now, I'm off to work!
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I didn't imply anything but I'm sure you won't share my opinion.
Insider Z
Yes, you certainly did imply that London's physique was poor, or at the very least, not of the quality that you want your competitors to have. Any rational person can see this and I'm sure you see it to.
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Yes, you certainly did imply that London's physique was poor, or at the very least, not of the quality that you want your competitors to have. Any rational person can see this and I'm sure you see it to.
Who cares, drop it.
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Who cares, drop it.
Oh wow, an internet tough guy ::)
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Just because you ask a question does not mean the you should expect an answer. Explain to me why you should be privy to info that no one else has yet?
Thank you for that lesson in debating.
Considering your first sentence, by your own reasoning the second one is redundant.
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Oh wow, an internet tough guy ::)
No, just trying to be a voice of reason. It's not that big of an issue to debate.
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Thank you for that lesson in debating.
Considering your first sentence, by your own reasoning the second one is redundant.
You need to look up the definition of redundent photo guy. ::)
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You need to look up the definition of redundent photo guy. ::)
No such word :)
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No, just trying to be a voice of reason. It's not that big of an issue to debate.
Right, because Getbig is the center of important debate for the Western Hemisphere ::)
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No such word :)
Exactly. ;D Here's a tip for you. If you would like to know all that there is to know then call Wayne. If you like I can call him for you and pass on the message.
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Right, because Getbig is the center of important debate for the Western Hemisphere ::)
To some I guess it is. ;)
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To some I guess it is. ;)
;D
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If you like I can call him for you and pass on the message.
Thanks I really appreciate that, it would certainly save me the cost of an international phone call. Assuming the information you get is not confidential please feel free to put the reply here. If not, you can e-mail it to me at kmhphoto@mac.com.
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Thanks I really appreciate that, it would certainly save me the cost of an international phone call. Assuming the information you get is not confidential please feel free to put the reply here. If not, you can e-mail it to me at kmhphoto@mac.com.
Check your PM.
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Check your PM.
Thanks, I'd forgotten all about those.
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Yes, you certainly did imply that London's physique was poor, or at the very least, not of the quality that you want your competitors to have. Any rational person can see this and I'm sure you see it to.
I have learnt that in life nothing is certain but the death.
How can you be certain about what I implied with my post?
You shouldn't apply your rational ratio to every human being on this planet.
To me that imply that you are a square mind.
Yes, you certainly are.
Insider Z
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I have learnt that in life nothing is certain but the death.
How can you be certain about what I implied with my post?
You shouldn't apply your rational ratio to every human being on this planet.
To me that imply that you are a square mind.
Yes, you certainly are.
Insider Z
Hahahahah ;D What a lame cop-out. It's obvious what you said. If you want to take it back, I'm giving you the chance now... ;D
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Hahahahah ;D What a lame cop-out. It's obvious what you said. If you want to take it back, I'm giving you the chance now... ;D
Yeah, you give me the chance...Rotfl
That implies...
What?
Insider Z
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Yeah, you give me the chance...Rotfl
That implies...
What?
Insider Z
I'm giving you the chance to admit that you implied that Jack London's physique was not the type you wanted to represent Pro Division, to confess that he will be, at best, mediocre.
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I'm giving you the chance to admit that you implied that Jack London's physique was not the type you wanted to represent Pro Division, to confess that he will be, at best, mediocre.
You are telling me that I should admit something that you stated but that you says I implied?
You got to be kidding me, bro!
Insider Z
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Wayne is a very strategic man.He has a plan and is working to it by the letter.When he wants something to go public, he will.Personally i hope this does take off because the ifbb cant be allowed to monopolise the sport anymore.Competition among federations will cause each federation to offer more and more for the athletes to stay with them.This in turn will benefit the athletes greatly.
As for the PDI getting substandard pros.I dont think this will happen but it will take time for any of the top pros to consider it before jumping ship.They need to see a working and long lasting federation before they could afford to make a move.
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You are telling me that I should admit something that you stated but that you says I implied?
You got to be kidding me, bro!
Insider Z
You win. I'm tired of arguing with you. :-\
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As for the PDI getting substandard pros.I dont think this will happen but it will take time for any of the top pros to consider it before jumping ship.