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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: LuciusFox on March 22, 2006, 03:07:08 PM
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Had to start another thread because Nazi mods deleted the first one. As I was saying, people on this board overrate the power of steroids and underrate the importance of genetics. Steroids are a finishing touch. They add only 5-10%. If you don't believe that genetics are that important, take a look at the calves of Johnny O. and Dexter Jackson.
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You are a fucking idiot.... Steroids do not enhance you're DNA to change genetic faults like high calf insertions. they give you extreme muscle mass and condition you could not achieve without them training natty
take either of them of the sauce they would not even be close to what they are now.
You are going to get pumbled in this thread lol
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So you're saying without chemicals Ronnie and Jay would be 5-10% smaller than they are now?
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You are going to get pumbled in this thread lol
Or ignored.
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Had to start another thread because Nazi mods deleted the first one. As I was saying, people on this board overrate the power of steroids and underrate the importance of genetics. Steroids are a finishing touch. They add only 5-10%. If you don't believe that genetics are that important, take a look at the calves of Johnny O. and Dexter Jackson.
Genetics arnt as important as you think. yes good genetics are a nice thing to have but it you can work around it. it would be harder but it is still posible.
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You are a fucking idiot.... Steroids do not enhance you're DNA to change genetic faults like high calf insertions. they give you extreme muscle mass and condition you could not achieve without them training natty
take either of them of the sauce they would not even be close to what they are now.
You are going to get pumbled in this thread lol
It is possible to have high insertions and relatively large calves, witness Victor Martinez and Ronnie Coleman. Their calves are small because of genetics!
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genetics determine the shape of your muscles and how well you respond to gear. Genetics are the price of admission so to speak.
But as far as changing a 210 pound normal trainer who has the required genetics into a 270lbs IFBB pro, that's ALL gear. look at any recently-retired pro who has cleaned out if you dont believe me
They also take other drugs, which add to the 5-10% benefit that steroids provide. For example, GH adds 3-4%.
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genetics determine the shape of your muscles and how well you respond to gear. Genetics are the price of admission so to speak.
agree 100%
It's also interesting to add that, medically, steroids aren't even proven to work. They most certainly do work with the majority of individuals, and they work wonders with a few. But, like any other pharmaceutical admission, a minority will just experience adverse effects.
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They also take other drugs, which add to the 5-10% benefit that steroids provide. For example, GH adds 3-4%.
Yes 13 percent of the package is drugs. Lol you are either a gimmick trying to cause trouble or just really stupid.
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genetics determine the shape of your muscles and how well you respond to gear. Genetics are the price of admission so to speak.
But as far as changing a 210 pound normal trainer who has the required genetics into a 270lbs IFBB pro, that's ALL gear. look at any recently-retired pro who has cleaned out if you dont believe me
pretty much on the money. only thing need be corrected is the number 210. 180 is more like it unless you're talking about the typical american fatzo. that will put him at 190-200.
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Yes 13 percent of the package is drugs. Lol you are either a gimmick trying to cause trouble or just really stupid.
You have forgotten that insulin and IGF-1 also add certain percentages. When you add these all up, you begin to understand the total effect of drugs. Steroids themselves though, are overrated. Perhaps you could help me calculate the percentages for the previously mentioned drugs.
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I don't understand how you guys seems to know the % of everything to have a great physique.
Like the dude who is saying steroids add 5 to 10 %
gh 4 %
food 30 %
bla bla bla
useless thread
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I don't understand how you guys seems to know the % of everything to have a great physique.
Like the dude who is saying steroids add 5 to 10 %
gh 4 %
food 30 %
bla bla bla
useless thread
Don't be angry because you don't know the percentages. Educate yourself. Try to grow as a person and the anger will dissipate.
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Don't be angry because you don't know the percentages. Educate yourself. Try to grow as a person and the anger will dissipate.
...riiiiighhtttt ::)
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Well
If you put it that way
15 percent for steroids 5 percent for gh 5 percent slin and miscellaneous drugs
25 percent sounds reasonable... If you did mean it that way my apologies.
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Well
If you put it that way
15 percent for steroids 5 percent for gh 5 percent slin and miscellaneous drugs
25 percent sounds reasonable... If you did mean it that way my apologies.
No problem, man. Although I have to admit that my percentages are probably pretty arbitrary :-\ I suppose it would differ from person to person, and of course, it would depend on the amount used. Anyone have any clue how many grams (steroids) per week can be used before there is no further effect? 3 or 4 maybe?
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Well
If you put it that way
15 percent for steroids 5 percent for gh 5 percent slin and miscellaneous drugs
25 percent sounds reasonable... If you did mean it that way my apologies.
if hormones were only 25% i wouldnt have to import 10k schering testovis from germany into the usa every 2 weeks, i wouldnt have to import your lovely omnas and paki sustas in the 1000s every couple weeks, and i wouldnt have to import testex elmu and bring new cidoteston (primoteston) from egypt to your gates every 2-3 weeks in the 1000s!
if hormones were only 25%, we wouldnt have so many people hopes dependent on us, we wouldnt have to import for the fitness whores the primobolan depot straight out of turky and have to pay special people that can do it in consistently and in the 10s of thousands.
if hormones were only 25%, we wouldnt control the market now when mexico has gone broke. we woudnt have to bring in 10s of thousands t3 tabs and any new tab the chinease make in thailand.
you dont know ANYTHING you talk about. the ones here who try to correct me dont know how much their muscle size is dependent on me. from the 200 and 100iu jins we import to the local gym rat to the LEGIT sero and humatrope kits we sell to many of the pros on this board.
again, 99% know nothing and the other 1% are either liars or just shut up but they know every word coming out of my mouth is g o l d
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if hormones were only 25% i wouldnt have to import 10k schering testovis from germany into the usa every 2 weeks, i wouldnt have to import your lovely omnas and paki sustas in the 1000s every couple weeks, and i wouldnt have to import testex elmu and bring new cidoteston (primoteston) from egypt to your gates every 2-3 weeks in the 1000s!
if hormones were only 25%, we wouldnt have so many people hopes dependent on us, we wouldnt have to import for the fitness whores the primobolan depot straight out of turky and have to pay special people that can do it in consistently and in the 10s of thousands.
if hormones were only 25%, we wouldnt control the market now when mexico has gone broke. we woudnt have to bring in 10s of thousands t3 tabs and any new tab the chinease make in thailand.
you dont know ANYTHING you talk about. the ones here who try to correct me dont know how much their muscle size is dependent on me. from the 200 and 100iu jins we import to the local gym rat to the LEGIT sero and humatrope kits we sell to many of the pros on this board.
again, 99% know nothing and the other 1% are either liars or just shut up but they know every word coming out of my mouth is g o l d
I don't think you have any idea how little effect your wares have on the people you supply them to. You sound like you are suffering from delusions of grandeur. Most of your stuff is probably fake anyway, "gh15". "15", is that supposed to be your age? ::)
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When i think of genetics to be a top IFBB pro, I think how well teh guy responds to the drugs..
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if hormones were only 25% i wouldnt have to import 10k schering testovis from germany into the usa every 2 weeks, i wouldnt have to import your lovely omnas and paki sustas in the 1000s every couple weeks, and i wouldnt have to import testex elmu and bring new cidoteston (primoteston) from egypt to your gates every 2-3 weeks in the 1000s!
if hormones were only 25%, we wouldnt have so many people hopes dependent on us, we wouldnt have to import for the fitness whores the primobolan depot straight out of turky and have to pay special people that can do it in consistently and in the 10s of thousands.
if hormones were only 25%, we wouldnt control the market now when mexico has gone broke. we woudnt have to bring in 10s of thousands t3 tabs and any new tab the chinease make in thailand.
you dont know ANYTHING you talk about. the ones here who try to correct me dont know how much their muscle size is dependent on me. from the 200 and 100iu jins we import to the local gym rat to the LEGIT sero and humatrope kits we sell to many of the pros on this board.
again, 99% know nothing and the other 1% are either liars or just shut up but they know every word coming out of my mouth is g o l d
I think a ratio of a person with mutant genetics like Ronnie could claim a 25 percent drug dependance
25 drugs 25 training 50 diet and sleep
no?
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I think a ratio of a person with mutant genetics like Ronnie could claim a 25 percent drug dependance
25 drugs 25 training 50 diet and sleep
no?
who has the time to sleep when you're at the top?? gotta make a living. ron colman is a genetic freak btu even he is very very much dependent on drugs. take the drugs out of his bathroom and he will stil be mr olympia, only thing is he will be mr olympia at 225 pounds!
it is lots of drugs lots of good food lots of good training and years over years of trial and error. there are no exact numbers. some will respnd better to drugs some will respond less better to drugs but be sure of one thing! every one WILL RESPOND. even the guy with the worst genetics out there will be able to do nationals (palumbo) after consistent years of drug use!
i come here only to tell the truth and that is why i am under the gh15 name. the more you read what i say the smarter you will become and the less you will adore us pros. it just has to be told because somewhere out there there are guys who killing themselves naturally and will never ever pass the 200 12%. they do everything right but they lack the connections and the knowledge of what it really takes.
good luck
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While since Ronnie is more than 10% better than his nearest competition, why doesn't he compete off roids?
I don't think Ronnie is 10% better than his peers. Jay and Gunter, among others, are very close. In fact, Ronnie should have lost several Olympias by now. Also, do not forget the impact of other drugs. Take a look at sprinters. Gear only makes them about 10% faster.
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i'm 230 at 5'11" not sure what bodyfat % but i can see the outline of abs on the sides.
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Well, 25% for a 300lb bber is 75 extra lbs of muscle. So imagine Ronnie 75 lb lighter...
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Well, 25% for a 300lb bber is 75 extra lbs of muscle. So imagine Ronnie 75 lb lighter...
Good point, that sounds about right.
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i'm 230 at 5'11" not sure what bodyfat % but i can see the outline of abs on the sides.
I'm sure you can. You probably look like Jack Osborne from television's "The Osbornes" ::)
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ok, "Lucious Fox", oh brother, what a name. ::)
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The painful truth about bodybuilding is that if your starting threads like this then you don't have what it takes. Learn it, live it, love it and move on. :'(
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The painful truth about bodybuilding is that if your starting threads like this then you don't have what it takes. Learn it, live it, love it and move on. :'(
You are probably angry because your genetic potential pales in comparison to that of the pros. I'm sorry, but your life is still worth living. You are a good person.
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ok, "Lucious Fox", oh brother, what a name. ::)
I hope you are being ironic, because Lucious Fox actually is a name, unlike "Sarcasm" ::) Maybe I was wrong though, maybe you look more like Kelly Osborne. ;D
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agree 100%
It's also interesting to add that, medically, steroids aren't even proven to work. They most certainly do work with the majority of individuals, and they work wonders with a few. But, like any other pharmaceutical admission, a minority will just experience adverse effects.
I wouldn't rely on the medical facts. They are controlled amounts that are being scrutinized (ie. 100-200 ml a week), not the outlandish amounts that amatuer and pros take today.
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GH15 is Dennis James
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GH15 is Dennis James
Really? So 15 is the number of iu's of GH he uses? Where did you get this info?
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GH15 is Dennis James
Sounds credible. No really it does! Dennis got mad cash from selling juice it only makes sense!
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i'm 230 at 5'11" not sure what bodyfat % but i can see the outline of abs on the sides.
you're an animal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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you're an animal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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lol sars is a fatass!
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You are probably angry because your genetic potential pales in comparison to that of the pros. I'm sorry, but your life is still worth living. You are a good person.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA... oh funny. You're right about my genetic potential for bodybuilding not being "Pro Level" however it doesn't anger me since I have not made bodybuilding my source of income and do not have a bodybuilding or fitness oriented career. I'm just a fan and a guy who enjoys a good workout. This doesn't make my life any worse than the average Pro who'll never make as much money as I since only a handful of guys can actually make a living from the sport, however I can say for the record that I'm a lot healthier than the average pro. I didn't start this thread so it's not me that has an issue with not being a top pro.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA... oh funny. You're right about my genetic potential for bodybuilding not being "Pro Level" however it doesn't anger me since I have not made bodybuilding my source of income and do not have a bodybuilding or fitness oriented career. I'm just a fan and a guy who enjoys a good workout. This doesn't make my life any worse than the average Pro who'll never make as much money as I since only a handful of guys can actually make a living from the sport, however I can say for the record that I'm a lot healthier than the average pro. I didn't start this thread so it's not me that has an issue with not being a top pro.
I was just joking with you, man. No need to defend youself so vigorously. Now you are starting to sound like you really did want to be a pro.
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I was just joking with you, man. No need to defend youself so vigorously. Now you are starting to sound like you really did want to be a pro.
Well come to think of it now I do and just to make sure I do it right I just ordered a case of Venom Vince Versace Goodrum, BMW, XYZ's extra strength bee pollen. Time to "Bring the Pain"!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=58235.0;attach=70932;image)
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Well come to think of it now I do and just to make sure I do it right I just ordered a case of Venom Vince Versace Goodrum, BMW, XYZ's extra strength bee pollen. Time to "Bring the Pain"!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=58235.0;attach=70932;image)
;D You guys are merciless!! Will you ever change? :D
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GH15 is Dennis James
Nope - try again. Think Eurpean, non-black, not American, younger than Bob Chick, from a country not heavily drug (roid) regulated, not top 5 BBer (yet), knows a lot about hormones.
All gathered from his previous posts.
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Nope - try again. Think Eurpean, non-black, not American, younger than Bob Chick, from a country not heavily drug (roid) regulated, not top 5 BBer (yet), knows a lot about hormones.
All gathered from his previous posts.
Wow, this thread is an oldie, but goody. One of my first. It really brings back memories :'(
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Wow, this thread is an oldie, but goody. One of my first. It really brings back memories :'(
Inspiration at its finest!
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Inspiration at its finest!
Yes, it is. It just shows that we all come from somewhere.
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Its some of your best work.. did we ever confirm the secret identity of GH15??
I don't even know if he is really a pro :-\. He could be just like the Undercover Pro ;D
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A good question is: how big can say a man of 5'10 get without drugs? In terms of weight and body fat what would it be?
I've pointed this out before and got pummeled, but I'll try again: before the steroid era, 18 inch arms (when you have low body fat) was considered extra ordinary.
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I've pointed this out before and got pummeled, but I'll try again: before the steroid era, 18 inch arms (when you have low body fat) was considered extra ordinary.
18 inches is still very impressive in real life :o
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Personally, I experianced 16% gains from all my cycles and I don't have great genetics, just a hard work ethic.
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Personally, I experianced 16% gains from all my cycles and I don't have great genetics, just a hard work ethic.
My only concern is kids starting out in the gym and starting cycles as soon as they begin. It happens EVERYWHERE!
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Personally, I experianced 16% gains from all my cycles and I don't have great genetics, just a hard work ethic.
Do you stack steroids with synthol? ???
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My only concern is kids starting out in the gym and starting cycles as soon as they begin. It happens EVERYWHERE!
I started at 29, when I absolutely maxed out naturally. I think young kids juicing is weak, those kids in there doing the hard way get more respect from me.
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i would buy a book by gh15. i would also pay to be a member of his website.