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I love bodybuilding and did use small amounts of the juice from 83'-86' and have no moral agenda pro or con about drugs of any kind. I for one, love bodybuilding, love to train , may even compete again, etc
However, I don't drink, smoke or do drugs of any kind. Shoot, I don't even cheat on my wife, don't even give it a serious thought.I do still go out and hoop it up with my wife dancin' and having fun at various clubs in the ATL. It seems that most folks do some kind of booze or drugs for whatever reasons, and those in/around bodybuilding seem to really get into various drugs for BOTH bodybuilding and
"fun". It is my observation that people either live really dry, dull, stick in the mud lives or party ( drink do drugs like wild men/woman. Most that I know that are also veteren teachers tend to be really dull people.
Maybe I am too ;D Seriously, I see so few folks with stable careers that like to have fun and act crazy without drinking or doing drugs. I know I am odd, but what the hell.
Any others like me? Any others that drug it up and feel cool about it? just curious?
Howard
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Howard.
Drugs are a part of this game.
I suppose you could play it straight, but the rewards aren't nearly as fullfilling.
Being natural limits you. What price are you willing to pay?
Choose a side and get on it. Time waits for no man.
Dominate or end up watching from the sidelines.
DIV
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I only do LSD
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We live in a time where people feel they should be able to do anything their hearts desire without any type of consequence. God forbid someone takes a moral stance on something. They are the ones who are persecuted instead of the immoral people. It is a modern day Babylon.
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i love whip-its and beer
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LOL!
Reminds me of my friends. They are the same way. Either all chemical (X, or E in Canada), or all herbal (shrooms, weed).
And my juicer friends are all juice lol.
That's funny, all the juicers I know pretty much do everything. e, k, coke, g, you name it.
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I love bodybuilding and did use small amounts of the juice from 83'-86' and have no moral agenda pro or con about drugs of any kind. I for one, love bodybuilding, love to train , may even compete again, etc
However, I don't drink, smoke or do drugs of any kind. Shoot, I don't even cheat on my wife, don't even give it a serious thought.I do still go out and hoop it up with my wife dancin' and having fun at various clubs in the ATL. It seems that most folks do some kind of booze or drugs for whatever reasons, and those in/around bodybuilding seem to really get into various drugs for BOTH bodybuilding and
"fun". It is my observation that people either live really dry, dull, stick in the mud lives or party ( drink do drugs like wild men/woman. Most that I know that are also veteren teachers tend to be really dull people.
Maybe I am too ;D Seriously, I see so few folks with stable careers that like to have fun and act crazy without drinking or doing drugs. I know I am odd, but what the hell.
Any others like me? Any others that drug it up and feel cool about it? just curious?
Howard
Yep, I live a completely boring life. Never drank or did drugs of any kind (gear included). I quit keeping track of how long I've been training after 25 years of lifting. I guess I'll settle for those rewards that "aren't nearly as fulfilling." I'm 40 and I feel great. I look more like a last-place WSM competitor than a bodybuilder but only muscleheads really give a shit about that anyway. Regular people think I'm "huge." :D
Sometimes it's only later in life that you reap the rewards of the choices you made when you were younger.
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Howard.
Drugs are a part of this game.
I suppose you could play it straight, but the rewards aren't nearly as fullfilling.
Being natural limits you. What price are you willing to pay?
Choose a side and get on it. Time waits for no man.
Dominate or end up watching from the sidelines.
DIV
As usual you provide some good food for thought here DIV thanks for the response. :)
Ok , I get tempted from time to time to push the envelope and just do a few cycles, just like any other musclehead, etc. Shoot, I even went down the roid road back in the mid 80's for a few years. So, yes, I know my personal experience the little jolt you get from the juice. Plus, I have no moral hang ups or issues with drugs and don't care about what others put in their bodies,etc
However, back in 1986, I had just won a show and was getting "serious". I was also headed for financial disaster with no stable career plans. I flushed he rest of the bottle down the crapper and went back to school to complete my degree with no regrets to this day. Could I do some sensible cycles with little side effect and extra gains and still have a stable life/ career? OF COURSE. I am sure that many do that very thing and live happy, productive lives.
Bu the thing is even a couple thousand bucks over a year or so on a few cycles is $$$ I can use so my wife and I can go on another cruise, which in my mind set is a much better deal.
Hey if somebody reliable gave me some juice for free, sure I would do it, why not?
BUT short of that , the MONEY and possible legal hassles to actually buy a decent cycle are not in my plans at this point in my life.
Howard
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To be honest--I've considered talking to a doc about HRT just for the hell of it. I don't really have a problem with that in principle. I think low doses of test/steroids could definitely benefit a lot of older people. For instance my dad is 72 and in not the best of health. I feel like a low-dose HRT regimen might actually make a huge difference in his health and mental outlook.
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To be honest--I've considered talking to a doc about HRT just for the hell of it. I don't really have a problem with that in principle. I think low doses of test/steroids could definitely benefit a lot of older people. For instance my dad is 72 and in not the best of health. I feel like a low-dose HRT regimen might actually make a huge difference in his health and mental outlook.
In a word " Just do it" I am on HRT, got my levels tested 3 years ago and they were a tad low ( I am 47 now).
I have been on HRT and they are in the ideal range for a male of any age which is cool and yes you just feel a bit more upbeat overall. Plus, most health ins plans cover it, my monthly cost is only the 20 buck co-pay, no too shabby 'eh. I guess I am not 100% natural, but who cares, not me that is for sure. As I said I would do some low level roid cycle like decca if it was pretty cheap and legal. I just think spendin' a lot of my hard earned money on it is cash down the drain.
Howard
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In a word " Just do it" I am on HRT, got my levels tested 3 years ago and they were a tad low ( I am 47 now).
I have been on HRT and they are in the ideal range for a male of any age which is cool and yes you just feel a bit more upbeat overall. Plus, most health ins plans cover it, my monthly cost is only the 20 buck co-pay, no too shabby 'eh. I guess I am not 100% natural, but who cares, not me that is for sure. As I said I would do some low level roid cycle like decca if it was pretty cheap and legal. I just think spendin' a lot of my hard earned money on it is cash down the drain.
Howard
Cool, thanks for the info.
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Yup, just tell your reg DOC you want your test levels checked and he will have a blood testosterone test given, takes no time and the lab with have the results back , if it is low you will know and go from there.
Howard
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Nothing in life is than better than having an 8 ball of coke, and a pussy near by..It's these simple pleasures in life that make me happy... :D
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Nothing in life is than better than having an 8 ball of coke, and a pussy near by..It's these simple pleasures in life that make me happy... :D
Only thing betta' is having a skanky crack ho like Paris Hilton to blow ya when ya get rockin' the high life ;D
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Only thing betta' is having a skanky crack ho like Paris Hilton to blow ya when ya get rockin' the high life ;D
Ya drugs are cool... 8)
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Ya drugs are cool... 8)
LOL, ya know I see lots of folks over the years that seems to really love boozin it up, getting high wasted whatever. I tried drinking few brewskies and mixed drinks over the years, all I ever felt was sick and dizzy.
The two times I tried pot, I got sick and felt horrible overall, not the least bit high.I am no drug expert, but my personal experience with any of it was pretty lousy
Even on the few low roid cycles I was on years ago, some days I felt like crap, plus, my azz got sore from the weekly injections :o. Now , I do feel better on my prescribed HRT and allergy meds, ciallis and use 2 ripped fuel or similar thing like Hydroxy cut and feel better on that kind of stuff, but most drugs never made me feel anything but sick or lousy.In the end , I don't drink or get "high" because it feels crappy to me.......go figure.
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Nothing's better than taking a nap on friday afternoon when you get out of work, waking up, popping 10 d-bol, drinking 1cc of winny, shootin' 200mgs of prop, drinking 16oz of coffee with 4 hydroxycut, then going to the gym, after working out eating a huge fillet mingon/baked potato dinner, then going out partying taking 2 e-tabs to start, hit the bathroom every 30 minutes for a bump, drinking about 2.8 gallons of red bull's, popping two more e-tabs every two hours for about 8 hours total, then going home and snorting 2 zanny bars, smoke 1/4 oz of herb and drink 1/2 gallon of G to go to bed.
Saturday, repeat cycle!!!!!!!!!!
I think this is reseanoable don't you?
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LOL!!
ok, I guess I would LIKE to believe that my juicer friends just do juice, but your description is more accurate lol. A couple of them who I know better are mainly into gear though.
I find the juicers like K the most because it comes in little juice bottles.
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Nothing's better than taking a nap on friday afternoon when you get out of work, waking up, popping 10 d-bol, drinking 1cc of winny, shootin' 200mgs of prop, drinking 16oz of coffee with 4 hydroxycut, then going to the gym, after working out eating a huge fillet mingon/baked potato dinner, then going out partying taking 2 e-tabs to start, hit the bathroom every 30 minutes for a bump, drinking about 2.8 gallons of red bull's, popping two more e-tabs every two hours for about 8 hours total, then going home and snorting 2 zanny bars, smoke 1/4 oz of herb and drink 1/2 gallon of G to go to bed.
Saturday, repeat cycle!!!!!!!!!!
I think this is reseanoable don't you?
That's funny as hell and maybe all too real for some, who knows, but anyway, good post, thanks, I laughed my azz off.
I have nothing against anyobdy doing whever drugs they want, what puzzles me is how some act like without drugs you can't have fun or even build muscle, etc.
I remember back in the disco days of my college years, when we went out looking for babes, most of my buddies were amazed I would always ask babes to dance , dead sober with nada booze in me.I always had a great time, had fun and even met and went home with some babes when I got lucky from time to time.I remember a lot of my former buddys that seemed to stand around and talk crap, get drunk but barely go for the babes, even when typsy.
In all modesty, I am no great stud or guy, etc, but I always had fun when I went out and never had to drink or do drugs to have a ball. I am also no IFBB pro or top national level bodybuilder, but I have built enough mass, that most assume I must be Juicin'. I always reply that compred to the better guys out there I am not all that big or impressive.
That and other than HRT , I am just too cheap to spend $$$ on any roids or risk the legal hassles.
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Get juiced to the gills & die trying.
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hahaha, fucking hilarious. Did you know the creator of LSD recently turned 100?
http://www.juiceenewsdaily.com/index.php/2006/01/11/creator-of-lsd-drug-turns-100/
yeah that is crazy. Albert Hofmann. If you read up on him he went on MANY acid trips, also mushrooms, mescaline and some other natural hallucinogens.
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I started bodybuilding in the early '80's and really knew nothing of steroids until about 1985 when I met a NPC competitor and he tried to introduce me into it at the gym. Fortunately I was working only a minimun wage job at the time and when he found out I couldn't afford it, he stopped trying to get me to "try" gear.
Up until now I've never taken anything but supplements and whether they work or not, I feel I have gained from them. The most potent thing I've taken are pro hormones, but I don't know if they did anything or not. All I do know is I went from 119lbs to 195lbs just eating and working out. I am real strict in my form and I attribute all of my gains from it. Would I try roids? I've considered it, but not enough to try them yet. Who knows?
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Natural is the way to go. I am 240 pounds natural (6'3 though) and I feel healthy. I do not get short of breath with tying my shoes. Although I would never use drugs, I am not opposed to those who do. I believe people can do a cylce or two a year, but on 10-20 pounds and be quite healthy. In fact, steroids get such a bad rap, I bet they may even increase life expendency (frail elderly people dye younger, etc)...
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Howie, how come I knew it was you who started this thread even before I saw your name. ::) ;D
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You only live once. Get drunk, high, juiced, etc. if you feel like it.
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Howard.
Drugs are a part of this game.
I suppose you could play it straight, but the rewards aren't nearly as fullfilling.
If you know you made the majority of your gains because of a pill you took, how rewarding is that? I took a cycle in 94' for 2 months, put on 40lbs...mainly bloat and felt ok, but knew it was the drugs that gave me those gains. My diet and workout regiment was the same. Where is the great stride I took, other than sticking my ass with a needle?
The past few years I've been able to gain 60lbs of muscle naturally. Even if it were 20lbs, the reward to me is much greater knowing it was all me who gained that muscle and not a pill.
Lastly, the majority of drug users are unhappy and lead screwed up lives. Rarely do hear someone clean saying, "Hmm...maybe I should consider giving drugs a try because this clean living is really wearing on me?" Drugs create the illusion of happiness, which is why most do them. I feel bad for people who do drugs on a regular basis, especially the harder ones. I know of people who died because of an OD, etc. In the end, the families are stuck with a life of grief for that persons selfish actions. It's a shame.
I'm not talking about weed so much, mainly harder drugs. Even so, to smoke on a regular basis just to function or feel normal, seems like a waste as well. If you can't be happy with just yourself, that's also sad. Getting stone was fun in high school, grow up. haha
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If you know you made the majority of your gains because of a pill you took, how rewarding is that? I took a cycle in 94' for 2 months, put on 40lbs...mainly bloat and felt ok, but knew it was the drugs that gave me those gains. My diet and workout regiment was the same. Where is the great stride I took, other than sticking my ass with a needle?
The past few years I've been able to gain 60lbs of muscle naturally. Even if it were 20lbs, the reward to me is much greater knowing it was all me who gained that muscle and not a pill.
Lastly, the majority of drug users are unhappy and lead screwed up lives. Rarely do hear someone clean saying, "Hmm...maybe I should consider giving drugs a try because this clean living is really wearing on me?" Drugs create the illusion of happiness, which is why most do them. I feel bad for people who do drugs on a regular basis, especially the harder ones. I know of people who died because of an OD, etc. In the end, the families are stuck with a life of grief for that persons selfish actions. It's a shame.
I'm not talking about weed so much, mainly harder drugs. Even so, to smoke on a regular basis just to function or feel normal, seems like a waste as well. If you can't be happy with just yourself, that's also sad. Getting stone was fun in high school, grow up. haha
Great post. I agree that moderate drug use at various times can be ok . For example, drinking a few brews to feel relaxed and have fun, hitting a doobie on occasion to chill out, or useing a sensible amounts of roids to peak for a show, seem to give on a lot of bang for the buck.
I think that if you need to use drugs to escape from reality, maybe , just maybe you need to change our life and geta new overall reality.
Howard
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I'll stay natural. It seems hormone replacement therapy is getting huge with bodybuilders. Getting straight test with a legal prescription and having your insurance pay seems like a great deal to some. The waiting room must look funny with all the muscle heads claiming hypo test production.
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If you know you made the majority of your gains because of a pill you took, how rewarding is that? I took a cycle in 94' for 2 months, put on 40lbs...mainly bloat and felt ok, but knew it was the drugs that gave me those gains. My diet and workout regiment was the same. Where is the great stride I took, other than sticking my ass with a needle?
The past few years I've been able to gain 60lbs of muscle naturally. Even if it were 20lbs, the reward to me is much greater knowing it was all me who gained that muscle and not a pill.
Lastly, the majority of drug users are unhappy and lead screwed up lives. Rarely do hear someone clean saying, "Hmm...maybe I should consider giving drugs a try because this clean living is really wearing on me?" Drugs create the illusion of happiness, which is why most do them. I feel bad for people who do drugs on a regular basis, especially the harder ones. I know of people who died because of an OD, etc. In the end, the families are stuck with a life of grief for that persons selfish actions. It's a shame.
I'm not talking about weed so much, mainly harder drugs. Even so, to smoke on a regular basis just to function or feel normal, seems like a waste as well. If you can't be happy with just yourself, that's also sad. Getting stone was fun in high school, grow up. haha
I'm pretty sure Croatch has done more than 1 cycle..As his memory seemed suspect in that thread where it was discovered that he used juice.
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I am just too cheap to spend $$$ on any roids or risk the legal hassles.
It's not our fault you're a broke-ass public school teacher.
Someonew should have told you back when you were choosing careers you were taking a vow of poverty.
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However, I don't drink
You are grazy. But hey.. you at least abuse standardized donkey ball extract, right?! ;D
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yes to be honest my extent of supplments was one bottle of amino acids in highschool creatine for a few days and protien shakes which i havent used in years. yea people who cant have a good time without drinking or being high or boring cause most feel that is all that a good time consists of going to the club getting hammerd. i live on the nj shore and the people by 30 look like shit cause of all the drugs drinking late nights and tanning. of course i did my fair share of drinking growing up and while i was in the army but i havent had a sip in 4 years. me and my best friends all workout and we always keep busy with diffrent things depending on times of the year or holidays and enjoying eating out my only cheat meal of the week on sats. even natrual guys insist u need to use this or that blah blah people are so brain washed and condition they need certain things to grow or get in shape. but anyway i have lots of friends who do drink or get high or juice and thats cool im not here to judge them. just its not for me you can look great either way. one more week till i start my prep for natrual show in ny ny.. peace tony
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I'm pretty sure Croatch has done more than 1 cycle..As his memory seemed suspect in that thread where it was discovered that he used juice.
No, one cycle in 94', which yielded no gains I kept. Plus, stopped lifting all together for a few years on top of that. In short, all my gains today are from me.
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i train in a very small gym in north london,(approx 2/300 members) and just about everyone use's a shit load of recreational drugs. apart from the boring mofo's, and they don't last long
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Yes Howie, you are the only person who works out, enjoys bodybuilding, and avoids all drugs these days.
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Freakazoid, what are your stats these days?
The pic of you with that stone hippo had us all terrified.
YIP
Zack
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I took a cycle in 94' for 2 months, put on 40lbs...mainly bloat and felt ok, but knew it was the drugs that gave me those gains. My diet and workout regiment was the same. Where is the great stride I took, other than sticking my ass with a needle?
FIVE pounds a week, for EIGHT weeks... those are amazing gains, even for using steroids. You may not admit it, but you allowed your body to break a long-standing sticking point. You also were able to RE-ATTAIN this previously held level through natural means afterwards.
However, you really shouldn't crap all over gear users in every post here. You couldn't possibly be 100% of what you are today, without using back in the day. It's a fact.
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It's obvious from the pictures Croatch posted that he had some serious muscle memory.
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40 lbs in two months?
WTF?
And now Croatch is all over these juicers?
Let me try som ebonics here: Why is he trippin' about the juizerz?
Chill out brother
YIP
Zack
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I love bodybuilding and did use small amounts of the juice from 83'-86' and have no moral agenda pro or con about drugs of any kind. I for one, love bodybuilding, love to train , may even compete again, etc
However, I don't drink, smoke or do drugs of any kind. Shoot, I don't even cheat on my wife, don't even give it a serious thought.I do still go out and hoop it up with my wife dancin' and having fun at various clubs in the ATL. It seems that most folks do some kind of booze or drugs for whatever reasons, and those in/around bodybuilding seem to really get into various drugs for BOTH bodybuilding and
"fun". It is my observation that people either live really dry, dull, stick in the mud lives or party ( drink do drugs like wild men/woman. Most that I know that are also veteren teachers tend to be really dull people.
Maybe I am too ;D Seriously, I see so few folks with stable careers that like to have fun and act crazy without drinking or doing drugs. I know I am odd, but what the hell.
Any others like me? Any others that drug it up and feel cool about it? just curious?
Howard
There is no point in using suce, if you're not going to make money from it. I did sauce several times; I regret I ever did. If you're a pro athlete or a movie star, who's livelihood depends on your physique, then it makes sense. But for regular guys, what do we have to gain? Impressing others at the beach? No, I won't dip myself in sauce, ever again.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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But for regular guys, what do we have to gain? Impressing others at the beach? No, I won't dip myself in sauce, ever again.
Aside from more ass, respect from your peers, and greater income, all things equal?
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Doesnt anyone else work out and drink wine or good beer with food? I am a firm beleiver in the health benefits of red wine and hoppy beer.
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Doesnt anyone else work out and drink wine or good beer with food? I am a firm beleiver in the health benefits of red wine and hoppy beer.
Vodka and Red Bull has its benefits too.
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Aside from more ass, respect from your peers, and greater income, all things equal?
Most women go for the type of physique that can be built without sauce:it is the rare chick who likes mass monsters. Greater income? Maybe. As I said, if you have a real shot at being a pro athlete, then by all means dip yourself in sauce. For the rest of us, using the money we would spend on sauce to purchase mutual funds will do far more to increase our income than taking sauce. Respect from your peers? If we're talking about gym rats, then yes. It is also true in high school. But in society, respect is given to those who have money, education, status, etc, not to those who have large muscles.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Most women go for the type of physique that can be built without sauce:it is the rare chick who likes mass monsters. Greater income? Maybe. As I said, if you have a real shot at being a pro athlete, then by all means dip yourself in sauce. For the rest of us, using the money we would spend on sauce to purchase mutual funds will do far more to increase our income than taking sauce. Respect from your peers? If we're talking about gym rats, then yes. It is also true in high school. But in society, respect is given to those who have money, education, status, etc, not to those who have large muscles.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
translation=none of the big dudes in the gym will sell me any juice because i'm 137 lbs.
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I've read a lot about stock brokers, lawyers and other professional types that use gear just to be more imposing in the workplace and have more energy. Supposedly, their pay is greater due to gear/aggressiveness.
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translation=none of the big dudes in the gym will sell me any juice because i'm 137 lbs.
What did you expect? After all that cardio I did porking your momma in the pooper, that's all that was left of me ;D. Considering how much protein I dumped in there, it's amazing there's anything of me left at all. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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By the way, Ms.six-thousand-posts-in-seven-months, you're in no position to accuse anyone of being small. Sorry, but the basement gym at your parent's house, next to your computer and bed, is not adequate for developing a truly massive physique. ;D There's no way you're bigger than me. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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a lot of "non juichead" bodies that chicks dig are still made with juice.
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a lot of "non juichead" bodies that chicks dig are still made with juice.
Yes, but my point remains:they are attainable without sauce.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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The demise in the health of prominent bodybuilders doesn't do much to dampen the desire for steroids in my home town . What puts most guys off are the many fakes and the badly prepared underground steroids that are floating about . In the past few weeks I have heard many a moan about problems from injecting the latest batches of t350 and t400 . Sadly this is what it takes to make the young inexperienced juice boys rethink their attitude towards their "HOBBY" .
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By the way, Ms.six-thousand-posts-in-seven-months, you're in no position to accuse anyone of being small. Sorry, but the basement gym at your parent's house, next to your computer and bed, is not adequate for developing a truly massive physique. ;D There's no way you're bigger than me. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
you're so easy "suckmymuscle", meltdown.
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I find the juicers like K the most because it comes in little juice bottles.
K is for the gay crowd, i know dave sells it to them
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Howard.
Drugs are a part of this game.
I suppose you could play it straight, but the rewards aren't nearly as fullfilling.
Being natural limits you. What price are you willing to pay?
Choose a side and get on it. Time waits for no man.
Dominate or end up watching from the sidelines.
DIV
When guys who are healthy from staying clean and still lifting you may very well be on the sidelines. Putting stuff into your body that you really have NO real knowledge of. And where do you come up with all your delusions of grandeur? Who the hell do you dominate because you can build muscle by using steroids? Get with the real world before its too late.
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However, you really shouldn't crap all over gear users in every post here. You couldn't possibly be 100% of what you are today, without using back in the day. It's a fact.
Sorry, none of what I have today is based on gear. At 18 you can't put on muscle as easily because of a thing called metabolism. All my size today is natural and zero is based on easy juice gains.
I don't crap on gear users, just most of them..haha. Reason being, I know what I put in to get my gains and when I see some asswad hitting a cycle to look better at the club he's going to dance at that summer, it's not what lifting should be about. To me, most people who juice are complete assclowns. Especially the ones who look like shit, so 80% of them. If you're going to juice, at least look hell better than me.
It only proves my theory on how easy it is to gain on gear from my cycle in 94'. Any doucebag could do it, which is why I choose not to today. Just not a great challenge to me.
MELTDOWN! haahha
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you're so easy "suckmymuscle", meltdown.
Nah, what's easy is your momma. ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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1. If you do not compete you are not a bodybuilder.
2. If you do compete and are natural, you will not enjoy success.
3. Combining the above statements gives, if you are natural and enjoy bodybuilding you enjoy losing (being a loser). If you do not compete you remain just another person working out, and maybe you are a FAN of bodybuilding and bodybuilders and posting (gay) pictures of yourself posing on the internet. Examples: 240 comes to mind, and so does True Adonis.
I'm ok with that. I'm not a bodybuilder, but you're probably a second rate drug abuser. I usually look down on the majority of people who compete. It's like trying to prove something to nobody. I could go down to the town fair and compete in the light heavyweight Division A class, come in first, then what...call myself a bodybuilding champ! The only thing competing on the "pro" level means to me is massive amounts of drugs, in addition to your training and diet. It's not a great feat. In addition, there is no talent in the sport. So, how could you boast about placing in a "competition" where talent has nothing to do with it. I'd rather watch a juggling show and would be more impressed honestly.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy lifting and what I consider "bodybuilding", it's too bad it's saturated with drugs/gh/insulin/synthol, etc. It ruins the "sport".
By far, the dumbest post I ever read.
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I agree on some level. If someone told me I could be one of the top 10 in the world, but I had to ingest the amount of gear some pros take, I wouldn't.
I have zero desire to compete because unless I had freaky genetics, what would be the point. I don't doubt I could get a pro card if I chose too. I've seen some pros and am not impressed. It doesn't take "guts" to take drugs for you gains, it's just a choice. One I consider a poor one, so I don't. That's great if people want to pump themselves full of shit and it's amusing to see how big some can get, but honestly...it's not an accomplishment to take drugs.
I think people that are insecure and don't have a place in the bodybuilding world like to find something to bitch about pro bodybuilding because they will never be able to succeed themselves. Just so they can got about their second rate life thinking "oh I just know if everyone would be natural I would win everything" or "if I used drugs I would easily be a pro also" etc.
I don't view placing in a pro show some great accomplishment, or that's what I'd be shooting for. And if everyone were natural, I'd still place poorly. Some guys have great genetics, no doubt. If I used a ton of drugs, I don't think becoming a pro would be very hard. Do enough shows, right connections, yippee...I have an unlaminated card and have to pay $200yr. Most pros make dick, but probably do it because that's what they love. I admire following what you love, it's just too bad it's saturated with shady people and extreme drug usage.
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Bob Chick monster quads.
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Vodka and Red Bull
Amen, bro :)
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As usual you provide some good food for thought here DIV thanks for the response. :)
Ok , I get tempted from time to time to push the envelope and just do a few cycles, just like any other musclehead, etc. Shoot, I even went down the roid road back in the mid 80's for a few years. So, yes, I know my personal experience the little jolt you get from the juice. Plus, I have no moral hang ups or issues with drugs and don't care about what others put in their bodies,etc
However, back in 1986, I had just won a show and was getting "serious". I was also headed for financial disaster with no stable career plans. I flushed he rest of the bottle down the crapper and went back to school to complete my degree with no regrets to this day. Could I do some sensible cycles with little side effect and extra gains and still have a stable life/ career? OF COURSE. I am sure that many do that very thing and live happy, productive lives.
Bu the thing is even a couple thousand bucks over a year or so on a few cycles is $$$ I can use so my wife and I can go on another cruise, which in my mind set is a much better deal.
Hey if somebody reliable gave me some juice for free, sure I would do it, why not?
BUT short of that , the MONEY and possible legal hassles to actually buy a decent cycle are not in my plans at this point in my life.
Howard
Howard,
We had this talk before and we came to the same conclusion. The drug game is not for you. We've established that. You're too caught up in the legal and monetary issues that come with AAS. It's not for you. I still think a part of you has a desire to dip in to the "DarkSide".
Don't deny your nature, Howard. Deny your ideals. Dominate your space.
DIV
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I love bodybuilding and did use small amounts of the juice from 83'-86' and have no moral agenda pro or con about drugs of any kind. I for one, love bodybuilding, love to train , may even compete again, etc
However, I don't drink, smoke or do drugs of any kind. Shoot, I don't even cheat on my wife, don't even give it a serious thought.I do still go out and hoop it up with my wife dancin' and having fun at various clubs in the ATL. It seems that most folks do some kind of booze or drugs for whatever reasons, and those in/around bodybuilding seem to really get into various drugs for BOTH bodybuilding and
"fun". It is my observation that people either live really dry, dull, stick in the mud lives or party ( drink do drugs like wild men/woman. Most that I know that are also veteren teachers tend to be really dull people.
Maybe I am too ;D Seriously, I see so few folks with stable careers that like to have fun and act crazy without drinking or doing drugs. I know I am odd, but what the hell.
Any others like me? Any others that drug it up and feel cool about it? just curious?
Howard
Not too many feel the way you do Howie. It seems like there's a lot more hate for it judging from the post I read here.....