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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Thong Maniac on May 15, 2016, 03:26:16 PM
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interesting that cutting on well below maintence at 16-1900 cals a day foR almost 3 months now and i still dont have a six pack. id say i started at 15 percent and im probably at 12-13. carry fat in tits n gut. id say the only difference is that this cut im natural. i just implemented some GH this last week at 1.8 iu ED, so this 3 months was full natty bra basically.
another factor, didnt really touch cardio at all. i feel this is where i went wrong. i listened to alot of bros say diet is all that is needed. seemed to not burn as nearly as much trunk fat as i did when dieting on same cals, trt, and HIIT or jogging cardio.
anyone else also feel cardio is really needed for endos to shred up effectively?
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Nattys should not do lots of cardio. Too many sessions per week and you'll lose muscle. The older you are the worse this becomes. Speaking from experience.
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Are you on growth only or growth and TRT?
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Are you on growth only or growth and TRT?
been off trt for about 3-4 months now. just started the gh as i had some extra kits
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That's just crazy enough to work.
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Down 3 mm in calipers this week... Eat about 4k cals daily, plenty of activity.
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Nattys should not do lots of cardio. Too many sessions per week and you'll lose muscle. The older you are the worse this becomes. Speaking from experience.
Lose muscle due to cardio ? HAHAHAHAHAAHAH If you still lift & the calories are there, you ain't losing any precious muscle.
To much bb.com for you mate.
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Lose muscle due to cardio ? HAHAHAHAHAAHAH If you still lift & the calories are there, you ain't losing any precious muscle.
To much bb.com for you mate.
Lower your calories to 1500-2000/day (like the OP is) and do 1 hour of cardio 4-5x wk... if natty, you will lose muscle, doesn't matter how much you lift.
If you're on roids, totally different situation.
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Nattys should not do lots of cardio. Too many sessions per week and you'll lose muscle. The older you are the worse this becomes. Speaking from experience.
What's the point of having muscle if you're a fat ass?
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What's the point of having muscle if you're a fat ass?
Better than being a skinny fat.
You're only 28... keep on living/training.
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What's the point of having muscle if you're a fat ass?
You could throw someone out a window for making fun of you. It would probably be a ground floor window, however, since you wouldn't care for stairs in your lair, big bear.
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What's the point of having muscle if you're a fat ass?
Probably one of the best points ever made on this thread.
From my personal experience in the gym (35+ years now,) fat is the absolute worse enemy of a person trying to gain muscle naturally. I've seen sooooooo many people try lifting weights only to fail miserably after a year it's not even funny.
My advice has always been the same: Get your body fat % down to a reasonable level. It's all psychological. Once you get to see your abs and the veins start popping out of nowhere that's when the real mind-to-muscle connections start firing on all cylinders.
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During the telecast of the 93' Olympia, Jim Quinn reported that in the days leading up to the contest Billy Smith gave Flex Wheeler a skin caliper test at Golds Gym and he measured 0.0% BF, the lowest reading ever recorded at that time.
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interesting that cutting on well below maintence at 16-1900 cals a day foR almost 3 months now and i still dont have a six pack. id say i started at 15 percent and im probably at 12-13. carry fat in tits n gut. id say the only difference is that this cut im natural. i just implemented some GH this last week at 1.8 iu ED, so this 3 months was full natty bra basically.
another factor, didnt really touch cardio at all. i feel this is where i went wrong. i listened to alot of bros say diet is all that is needed. seemed to not burn as nearly as much trunk fat as i did when dieting on same cals, trt, and HIIT or jogging cardio.
anyone else also feel cardio is really needed for endos to shred up effectively?
Shut the fuck up and continue 3 more moths doing what u doing. Sound like a fat bitch in the gym complaining without doing the fucking job requierd. Your a fat ass. Fat asses need 6-12moth stict diet! U need probably going down to 6-7 % to get off that fat from your chest and lower belly. Thats life at your age, doing it natural. The soner u get ride of it the better. Then keep your fucking weight down. and never eat more than 2500-2700kcal after that.
Weak mind fucker! Dont u ever dare doing cardio. Cardio will fuck you up! Ad 30 minutes lifting instead every seassion! Include more supersets. Slowly increase intensisty. Longer session or superset. Not both! climd the letter steady and slow!
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Nattys should not do lots of cardio. Too many sessions per week and you'll lose muscle. The older you are the worse this becomes. Speaking from experience.
Yes oh yes!
Im telling everyone in the gym stop doing that shit. Eat less or train more! Dont do that fucking cardio! Im in best shape in my gym but people dosent understand why! Simply Bcz I know shit, consistant with my training and dosent eat more kalories than I burn!
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Shut the fuck up and continue 3 more moths doing what u doing. Sound like a fat bitch in the gym complaining without doing the fucking job requierd. Your a fat ass. Fat asses need 6-12moth stict diet! U need probably going down to 6-7 % to get off that fat from your chest and lower belly. Thats life at your age, doing it natural. The soner u get ride of it the better. Then keep your fucking weight down. and never eat more than 2500-2700kcal after that.
Weak mind fucker! Dont u ever dare doing cardio. Cardio will fuck you up! Ad 30 minutes lifting instead every seassion! Include more supersets. Slowly increase intensisty. Longer session or superset. Not both! climd the letter steady and slow!
in your opinion, does it matter what you eat, beyond calories? macro ratios? types of food?
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You could throw someone out a window for making fun of you. It would probably be a ground floor window, however, since you wouldn't care for stairs in your lair, big bear.
Mr Anabolic may have moved slow, but it was only because Mr Anabolic didn't have to move for anybody
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What's the point of having muscle if you're a fat ass?
and have no fitness to run round the block...
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and have no fitness to run round the block...
Or in your case chase down and capture young children/animals.
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Or in your case chase down and capture young children/animals.
;D
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So OP gave up on staying natural after a few months?
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So OP gave up on staying natural after a few months?
No, no. He's natty now. Only growth.
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No, no. He's natty now. Only growth.
That ain't natty.
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I do 30-40 min of relatively intense cardio 3xweek. Works great for me.
I've never been a fan of cardio but after my bicep tear last summer I couldn't do much else and just kept it up.
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Nattys should not do lots of cardio. Too many sessions per week and you'll lose muscle. The older you are the worse this becomes. Speaking from experience gathered by sucking cocks as a cardio..
Fixed..
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interesting that cutting on well below maintence at 16-1900 cals a day foR almost 3 months now and i still dont have a six pack. id say i started at 15 percent and im probably at 12-13. carry fat in tits n gut. id say the only difference is that this cut im natural. i just implemented some GH this last week at 1.8 iu ED, so this 3 months was full natty bra basically.
another factor, didnt really touch cardio at all. i feel this is where i went wrong. i listened to alot of bros say diet is all that is needed. seemed to not burn as nearly as much trunk fat as i did when dieting on same cals, trt, and HIIT or jogging cardio.
anyone else also feel cardio is really needed for endos to shred up effectively?
What every natty should understand is the simple truth, that natty bodybuilding is more about a mass preservation, than building mass. Short heavy training sessions, and lot's of easy light cardio, like walking. Greatest problem by far for natty is the overtraining, while you really should just sit and listen how your muscles grow. And what these guys do? They are training 4-6 days per week, 2-3 hours per day, some of them twice per day, wondering why they are just as small they were at the beginning. Then comes the frustration, and they start to use grear to get finally some mass, while solution would be lot easier; less training with higher resistance and more time for the recovery. Good diet helps a lot of course, but you really have to weight your intake calories ;D
Now, let the shit storm begin, because I have the feeling that all of the self proclaimed internet gurus doesn't agree on this, but you still should give it a try. Just remember, the posture and the good range of motion are the key, you should train with just so heavy weights you can use with the good form. "Cheat" means cheating yourself..If you need more stimulation, use supersets, dropsets, slow negatives, forced reps but don't over do it..
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The word "natty" makes me want to punch someone in the face
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The word "natty" makes me want to punch someone in the face
Natty = natural bodybuilder = people with real muscles which doesn't deflate in few months ;D
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Natty = natural bodybuilder = people with no actual muscle.
Fixed.
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Natty = natural bodybuilder = people with real muscles which doesn't deflate in few months ;D
You're gonna get reported to the mods for messing with people's fragile self-esteem.
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interesting that cutting on well below maintence at 16-1900 cals a day foR almost 3 months now and i still dont have a six pack. id say i started at 15 percent and im probably at 12-13. carry fat in tits n gut. id say the only difference is that this cut im natural. i just implemented some GH this last week at 1.8 iu ED, so this 3 months was full natty bra basically.
another factor, didnt really touch cardio at all. i feel this is where i went wrong. i listened to alot of bros say diet is all that is needed. seemed to not burn as nearly as much trunk fat as i did when dieting on same cals, trt, and HIIT or jogging cardio.
anyone else also feel cardio is really needed for endos to shred up effectively?
You can be doing everything right and not see much for months. The body tends to change in spurts. The thing you didn't mention is your energy. If it's good continue, if it's bad your metabolism is shutting down and you're in preservation mode. You have to eat more, maybe try an intermittent approach.
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Natty = natural bodybuilder = people with real muscles which doesn't deflate in few months ;D
natural or not. If u stop straining your gains will totally diapear within a moth or two. Without restistance training muscle will disapear, dead gone. Like flying to the moon. 3 weeks and cant baraly walk!
That suck!
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Natty or not cardio is important.
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in your opinion, does it matter what you eat, beyond calories? macro ratios? types of food?
Nope. But i prefere carbs instead of protin if my calorie intake is restricted so I get some energy strenght and pump! Protein have never done a shit for me, or the rest of all if u start to look at your body instead of reading stupid musclemags and protein ads.
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Reduce your carb intake by 25% and stop doing so much cardio to begin with.
Manipulate your diet first and once the fat loss starts to stall (i.e., you can't reduce by more than 1lb of bodyweight per week), then work in the cardio - 30-40 mins 3-4 times a week. If you're eating clean then your carbs and fat intake should be pretty low.
Once that starts to stall (carbs + cardio), reduce the carbs by 25% again.
Train with weights hard and heavy so you retain muscle.
You're welcome.