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Title: LBGT question
Post by: Thong Maniac on June 19, 2016, 04:19:19 AM
saw an LGBT office with a "dont profile muslims!" sign in the window. Im confused, dont gay people know that muslims hate them even more than christians (who are hateful angry and judgmental as well) do? where did this defense of muslims in the LGBT community come from? seems pretty misguided. and this observation is coming from an atheist liberal minded dude like myself.

Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on June 19, 2016, 05:26:31 AM
saw an LGBT office with a "dont profile muslims!" sign in the window. Im confused, dont gay people know that muslims hate them even more than christians (who are hateful angry and judgmental as well) do? where did this defense of muslims in the LGBT community come from? seems pretty misguided. and this observation is coming from an atheist liberal minded dude like myself.


LGBT people are often populistic leftish people that say and have signs like that cause thats what they are suppose to do
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: Mr Anabolic on June 19, 2016, 05:30:16 AM
Liberalism is a mental disorder. 
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: Thong Maniac on June 19, 2016, 05:52:04 AM
Liberalism is a mental disorder. 

cool hannity and coulter talking point. neocon is a mental disorder as well
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: _aj_ on June 19, 2016, 05:58:16 AM
cool hannity and coulter talking point. neocon is a mental disorder as well

But in the case of progressives, it's demonstrably true. As this nihilist, existential example shows. Progressives will protect Muslims all the way to their own decapitation. It's a form of cognitive avoidance probably driven by the cognitive dissonance of their competing victim groups.

Honestly, a mass progressive aneurism would be preferable to the sheer amount of bloody cleanup were gonna have to do to make America great again.
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: Mr Anabolic on June 19, 2016, 06:03:30 AM
cool hannity and coulter talking point. neocon is a mental disorder as well

Hannity/Coulter? - lol  

I'm basically a libertarian.  Live and let live, but don't force me to accept your views or lifestyle.
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: badlad on June 19, 2016, 07:53:21 AM
If u profile somebody or group then u r basically stereotyping correct? So in the case of muslims the LGBT community (which apparently defines itself exclusively via sexuality) is directing a message toward, I would assume, any body that might make any discriminatory judgements (predjudice) toward another individual or group? Seems a bit hypocritical? and im sorry but if u r religious in any way it generally means you can  readily and reasonably be accurately profiled hence why it is such a useful and reasonable shorthand to understand folks when u dont have time to meet each and everyone of them.If u r religious u r, by any reasonable definition, manifestly temporarily delusional or insane (if u go thru your entire life religious then insane as thats a permanent psychotic disorder). If u need to call yourself a muslim to identify supposedly what u r then u, like anybody who defines themselves by such a ridiculous and limiting metric,  deserves to be profiled but more rightly so as oa brain donor...
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: liberalismo on June 19, 2016, 08:23:05 AM
In America, at least, Muslims are more liberal than Evangelical Christians.

Polls show Muslims support gay marriage more than Evangelicals.


http://www.prri.org/spotlight/attitudes-on-same-sex-marriage-by-religious-affiliation-and-denominational-family/#.VTetXy5Vikp
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: badlad on June 19, 2016, 08:33:09 AM
Interesting. But not sure how to interpret that. Religious behaviours of any kinds seem to pretty much mirror the state of conflicted and ultimately brain dead rubric by which all religions feed and fester.
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: Parker on June 19, 2016, 08:34:13 AM
cool hannity and coulter talking point. neocon is a mental disorder as well
both are extremes. Extremism is not good.
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: Thong Maniac on June 19, 2016, 08:38:03 AM
If u profile somebody or group then u r basically stereotyping correct? So in the case of muslims the LGBT community (which apparently defines itself exclusively via sexuality) is directing a message toward, I would assume, any body that might make any discriminatory judgements (predjudice) toward another individual or group? Seems a bit hypocritical? and im sorry but if u r religious in any way it generally means you can  readily and reasonably be accurately profiled hence why it is such a useful and reasonable shorthand to understand folks when u dont have time to meet each and everyone of them.If u r religious u r, by any reasonable definition, manifestly temporarily delusional or insane (if u go thru your entire life religious then insane as thats a permanent psychotic disorder). If u need to call yourself a muslim to identify supposedly what u r then u, like anybody who defines themselves by such a ridiculous and limiting metric,  deserves to be profiled but more rightly so as oa brain donor...

spot on about religion. im curious how AJ and others would respond. one moment they say people that are luberal have a mental disease, but they dont seem to think being religious is a mental disease when they analyze themselves. thats why i always cringe when the right wing bible terds say "liberalism is a disease"...
from reading his posts, Aj is "christian" i think...dont throw stones in glass houses

Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: Thong Maniac on June 19, 2016, 08:39:43 AM
both are extremes. Extremism is not good.

very true
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: bigmc on June 19, 2016, 08:40:56 AM
But in the case of progressives, it's demonstrably true. As this nihilist, existential example shows. Progressives will protect Muslims all the way to their own decapitation. It's a form of cognitive avoidance probably driven by the cognitive dissonance of their competing victim groups.

Honestly, a mass progressive aneurism would be preferable to the sheer amount of bloody cleanup were gonna have to do to make America great again.

do you have a police or military background aj
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: _aj_ on June 19, 2016, 08:42:36 AM
spot on about religion. im curious how AJ and others would respond. one moment they say people that are luberal have a mental disease, but they dont seem to think being religious is a mental disease when they analyze themselves. thats why i always cringe when the right wing bible terds say "liberalism is a disease"...
from reading his posts, Aj is "christian" i think...dont throw stones in glass houses



You two dipshits can't tell the difference between a Christian "extremist" that prays for the soul of a gay man and a Muslim "extremist" that throws the same gay man off a building. Your moral equivalence and willfull blindness sickens me.
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: _aj_ on June 19, 2016, 08:44:23 AM
do you have a police or military background aj

MA State Guard, but I'd hardly call that military.
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: Thong Maniac on June 19, 2016, 08:48:06 AM
You two dipshits can't tell the difference between a Christian "extremist" that prays for the soul of a gay man and a Muslim "extremist" that throws the same gay man off a building. Your moral equivalence and willfull blindness sickens me.

nice coach style post. you didnt address the question at all. nice deflection
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: HTexan on June 19, 2016, 08:50:28 AM
saw an LGBT office with a "dont profile muslims!" sign in the window. Im confused, dont gay people know that muslims hate them even more than christians (who are hateful angry and judgmental as well) do? where did this defense of muslims in the LGBT community come from? seems pretty misguided. and this observation is coming from an atheist liberal minded dude like myself.


I think it is because, gay people have been hated for years. They know first hand has bad hate is. Therefore, they don't want others to be hated.
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: Thong Maniac on June 19, 2016, 08:51:55 AM
I think it is because, gay people have been hated for years. They know first hand has bad hate is. Therefore, they don't want others to be hated.

yeah thats what i was thinking but wadnt sure
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: Pray_4_War on June 19, 2016, 09:10:17 AM
In America, at least, Muslims are more liberal than Evangelical Christians.

Polls show Muslims support gay marriage more than Evangelicals.


http://www.prri.org/spotlight/attitudes-on-same-sex-marriage-by-religious-affiliation-and-denominational-family/#.VTetXy5Vikp

lolololol

What ever you say dude.
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: RagingBull on June 19, 2016, 09:35:43 AM
Then what does that say about liberals/atheists who kowtow to muslims?  Does that make liberals/atheists exponentially more moronic than any other group?  Liberals rightfully fight for women and gay rights yet kiss the ass of muslims who hang gays and stone women. 

spot on about religion. im curious how AJ and others would respond. one moment they say people that are luberal have a mental disease, but they dont seem to think being religious is a mental disease when they analyze themselves. thats why i always cringe when the right wing bible terds say "liberalism is a disease"...
from reading his posts, Aj is "christian" i think...dont throw stones in glass houses


Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: TheShape. on June 19, 2016, 09:36:55 AM
lolololol

What ever you say dude.
They throw them off of buildings! Very tolerant!
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: Hulkotron on June 19, 2016, 09:40:23 AM
Liberalism is a mental disorder. 

It's a fine idea in principle.

The far left is just as absurd as the far right though (more so imho).
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: SuperTed on June 19, 2016, 09:53:53 AM
In America, at least, Muslims are more liberal than Evangelical Christians.

Polls show Muslims support gay marriage more than Evangelicals.


http://www.prri.org/spotlight/attitudes-on-same-sex-marriage-by-religious-affiliation-and-denominational-family/#.VTetXy5Vikp

Yes, some Muslims may be supportive of gay marriage in America, but would these same Muslims support gay marriage in their Islamic homelands?

I see the same thing in the UK all the time - Muslims voting for the most left wing governments in the West but also supporting the most ardent, right-wing fundamentalist Islamist leaders in Pakistan/Bangladesh...etc.

Don't for a second believe that those Muslims who support gay marriage in the US actually support gay marriage as a universal concept.
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: Thong Maniac on June 19, 2016, 10:15:48 AM
Then what does that say about liberals/atheists who kowtow to muslims?  Does that make liberals/atheists exponentially more moronic than any other group?  Liberals rightfully fight for women and gay rights yet kiss the ass of muslims who hang gays and stone women. 


lol wow bro, did you read the OP? that is what im asking is essentially what u ask in ur last sentence
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: YngiweRhoads on June 19, 2016, 10:19:34 AM
Hannity/Coulter? - lol  

I'm basically a libertarian.  Live and let live, but don't force me to accept your views or lifestyle.

THIS x1000
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: The Scott on June 19, 2016, 04:46:47 PM
spot on about religion. im curious how AJ and others would respond. one moment they say people that are luberal have a mental disease, but they dont seem to think being religious is a mental disease when they analyze themselves. thats why i always cringe when the right wing bible terds say "liberalism is a disease"...
from reading his posts, Aj is "christian" i think...dont throw stones in glass houses



Then you cringe at the most childish things.

As before, a Christian may well die for their faith but a Muslim will kill for theirs. 
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: cart@@n on June 19, 2016, 05:17:39 PM
Brainwashing using cultural marxism.


Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: timfogarty on June 19, 2016, 05:19:20 PM
There are many gay arab and persians in my neighborhood, many go to my gym.

Immigrants in general tend to be progressive. If you're a traditionalist or conservative, you're not as likely to move half way around the world to a new country, new culture, and new language.
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: Coach is Back! on June 19, 2016, 05:25:36 PM
saw an LGBT office with a "dont profile muslims!" sign in the window. Im confused, dont gay people know that muslims hate them even more than christians (who are hateful angry and judgmental as well) do? where did this defense of muslims in the LGBT community come from? seems pretty misguided. and this observation is coming from an atheist liberal minded dude like myself.



When was the last time you've seen of heard of Christians lopping of the heads of people that don't agree with them....assclown.
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: Coach is Back! on June 19, 2016, 05:26:28 PM
Liberalism is a mental disorder. 

As proven by the originator of this thread.
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: timfogarty on June 19, 2016, 05:43:36 PM
When was the last time you've seen [or] heard of Christians lopping of the heads of people that don't agree with them....assclown.

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/10-worst-terror-attacks-extreme-christians-and-far-right-white-men
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: Coach is Back! on June 19, 2016, 05:48:15 PM
http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/10-worst-terror-attacks-extreme-christians-and-far-right-white-men

You're so delusional there's no coming back.
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: WalterWhite on June 19, 2016, 06:38:51 PM
They throw them off of buildings! Very tolerant!

Indeed and then stone them of they are not already dead.
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: SuperTed on June 20, 2016, 02:14:44 AM
There are many gay arab and persians in my neighborhood, many go to my gym.

Immigrants in general tend to be progressive. If you're a traditionalist or conservative, you're not as likely to move half way around the world to a new country, new culture, and new language.

I've addressed this earlier in the thread.

Immigrants support progressive politics in the West because they are less likely to be deported under a liberal establishment than they are under a conservative one. A liberal establishment will also make it easier for them to bring their family too.

However, this doesn't mean they support progressive social issues.

You are a good guy, but you live in a "liberal bubble" and think the opinions of you and your friends are the mainstream ones.
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: Alfurinn on June 20, 2016, 03:35:51 AM
People are individuals. An LGBT office doesn't necessarily represent the opinions and thoughts of an entire group people who think for themselves. Just like with a candidate for president, you may agree with him on a lot of his propositions and opinions, but there are usually things you disagree on with that candidate. Even though you hear the word Islam a lot these days there are still people who don't really know the religion and have never even read a single parragraph of the quran. For many people Islam is of no interest; it is just a religion form a place far off.

Now, I would say that there is a lot of opposition against Islam among LGBT people and growing with the recent event. I don't think an office supporting muslims is really in touch with how the majority may be feeling about Islam.

The LGBT people who defend muslims probably do it because they have a friend who is a muslim or because they are moved by the images of the immigrants fleeing the Middle East. They feel it is time to lend a hand and that they (immigrants) don't come with a second intention behind. This causes them not to fear or doubt the immigrants since they seem them humble, people needing help.

It is really difficult to tell the ones who come with the intention to assimilate the local culture and start a new life from those who perhaps have the intention to spread Islam. Even authorities seem clueless which makes LGBT people especially vulnerable.

I'd say the majority of LGBT people see muslims and Islam with suspicion.
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: timfogarty on June 20, 2016, 04:47:32 AM
I'd say the majority of LGBT people see muslims and Islam with suspicion.

I'd say the majority of LGBT people see fundamentalism of all forms with suspicion.  Every major religion currently has a fundamentalist sect which tends to be violent. But all the major religions, including Islam, also have progressive sects.  Most muslims, especially here, don't believe in a radical form of Islam.  That's what the sign in the window at the beginning of this thread was talking about. Don't make judgements of an entire people by the actions of the most extreme or visible members.
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: _aj_ on June 20, 2016, 06:37:28 AM
I'd say the majority of LGBT people see fundamentalism of all forms with suspicion.  Every major religion currently has a fundamentalist sect which tends to be violent. But all the major religions, including Islam, also have progressive sects.  Most muslims, especially here, don't believe in a radical form of Islam.  That's what the sign in the window at the beginning of this thread was talking about. Don't make judgements of an entire people by the actions of the most extreme or visible members.

So fucking stupid. Conservative Christians pray for gay folks. Conservative Muslims throw you off a building. You're a fucking fool if you can't tell the difference (hint: in one scenario, you die)
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: illuminati on June 20, 2016, 07:09:40 AM
LGBT / Queers = Mental Health Disorder
Liberals           = Mental Health Disorder
Muslims           = Mental Health Disorder

Pointless Trying To Reason with them Or Understand Them

HTH
 ;)
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: mazrim on June 20, 2016, 07:13:57 AM
Fogarty and Conker must be one user....
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: Alfurinn on June 20, 2016, 07:41:55 AM
I'd say the majority of LGBT people see fundamentalism of all forms with suspicion.  Every major religion currently has a fundamentalist sect which tends to be violent. But all the major religions, including Islam, also have progressive sects.  Most muslims, especially here, don't believe in a radical form of Islam.  That's what the sign in the window at the beginning of this thread was talking about. Don't make judgements of an entire people by the actions of the most extreme or visible members.

I would say that all Abrahamic religions have this problem of being authoritarian, dualistic and violent to some extent depending on the religion.

I don't understand the meaning of "radical Islam". Islam is radical by nature.
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: Croatch on June 20, 2016, 08:06:14 AM
When will a politician recognize the main issue...religion.  Anyone who bases their beliefs on any fictional book is a fool.  It amazes me how someone above average intellect can ever buy into any fairy tale.
No politician will come out atheist because you would eliminate at least half of the lemmings for votes.
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: Thong Maniac on June 20, 2016, 08:57:11 AM
When will a politician recognize the main issue...religion.  Anyone who bases their beliefs on any fictional book is a fool.  It amazes me how someone above average intellect can ever buy into any fairy tale.
No politician will come out atheist because you would eliminate at least half of the lemmings for votes.


this is so true. im always amazed someone like AJ who seems well put together, good career, intelligent on alot of things (im guessing) no-non sense type of manly man, could also be delusional at the same time. it blows my mind. i run into people like this some times in the real world and i always want to ask "so...what happened, why would a seemingly common sense person fall for this?" my guess is its usually engrained or prothetized to an extent when younger that its the only portion of their life they dont question. its almost like breathing, you just "believe" in it. i think sometimes its also a family thing, like church and the fairy tale holds some people together who wouldnt be able to hold it together without it.
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: Spike on June 20, 2016, 09:54:45 AM
this is so true. im always amazed someone like AJ who seems well put together, good career, intelligent on alot of things (im guessing) no-non sense type of manly man, could also be delusional at the same time. it blows my mind. i run into people like this some times in the real world and i always want to ask "so...what happened, why would a seemingly common sense person fall for this?" my guess is its usually engrained or prothetized to an extent when younger that its the only portion of their life they dont question. its almost like breathing, you just "believe" in it. i think sometimes its also a family thing, like church and the fairy tale holds some people together who wouldnt be able to hold it together without it.

Goes back to belief systems set in through childhood and the parents

His dad or family is prob some err in one way, it's evident in the south when you meet people who seem really intelligent, well spoken , make good money , good wife - but the guy gets drunk and you say goddamn and the world ended - baptist --same as with any other religion , it's ingrained in their belief systems - they saw their fathers do it now it's their turn -- except you can vilify racism and any member of the confederate army that ways the 'flag' but it's ok to push Sunday school beliefs in people at a bar
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: HTexan on June 20, 2016, 01:03:39 PM
So fucking stupid. Conservative Christians pray for gay folks. Conservative Muslims throw you off a building. You're a fucking fool if you can't tell the difference (hint: in one scenario, you die)
Aj has a point.... as much as i hate agreeing with this nut job:-\
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: TheShape. on June 20, 2016, 01:06:46 PM
When will a politician recognize the main issue...religion.  Anyone who bases their beliefs on any fictional book is a fool.  It amazes me how someone above average intellect can ever buy into any fairy tale.
No politician will come out atheist because you would eliminate at least half of the lemmings for votes.

It's hindering human progression big league! Out of the billions of stars in our galaxy and the billions of galaxies in our observable universe, why would anyone believe their religion is the ultimate authority on anything?
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: NelsonMuntz on June 20, 2016, 01:18:10 PM
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: liberalismo on June 20, 2016, 04:01:51 PM
People forget there are 1 BILLION Muslims in the world.


That's 1,000,000,000

That's 1,000 times 1,000 times 1,000


IF Muslims were all as crazy as people think, we'd all be doomed.

 The truth? Most Muslims are perfectly fine. Just because a small % are terrorists isn't a reason to categorize them all.

Also, remember, MOST victims of terrorism globally...the vast majority...is other Muslims
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: timfogarty on June 20, 2016, 07:46:43 PM
So fucking stupid. Conservative Christians pray for gay folks.

Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: The Scott on June 20, 2016, 09:11:26 PM


You are a bitter little manlet. 

You need to look in the mirror, Mr. Gray.
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: The Ugly on June 20, 2016, 09:36:50 PM
They get a G and that's it, fucking alphabet hogs.

L and B are unnecessary, file under "gay." And nothing for Ts until schizos get their S. Practically begging for a good bashing, greedy queers.

Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: Alfurinn on June 21, 2016, 12:57:07 AM
He has something to say.
Title: Re: LBGT question
Post by: SuperTed on June 21, 2016, 03:58:56 AM
People forget there are 1 BILLION Muslims in the world.


That's 1,000,000,000

That's 1,000 times 1,000 times 1,000


IF Muslims were all as crazy as people think, we'd all be doomed.

 The truth? Most Muslims are perfectly fine. Just because a small % are terrorists isn't a reason to categorize them all.

Also, remember, MOST victims of terrorism globally...the vast majority...is other Muslims


1.6 billion actually.

And no one is saying that all are bad, I know several that I consider good friends.

What we are saying is that the ideology they follow has many bad aspects to it which can be used to easily justify dislike and violence against just about anyone who doesn't fit into a small and specific criterion.

Most liberals seem to happily point out the issues they have with Christians and Christianity, so why hold back when it comes to Islam?
By constantly making excuses for Islamic violence and intolerance, they are actually turning their backs on the progressives and reformists within the Islamic community who actually want change.