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So currently I'm using trenbolone for the first time. Injecting 75mg ED along with 50mg test prop ED, Pharmacom brand. After three weeks, while I'm seeing some good things, it doesn't seem like my experience matches up with what so many people say about tren. I was curious to know about some your personal thoughts with the compound, and what it does for you. By the way, if you think I just need to be more patient, say so. I'm a big guy, I can handle it.
The Good:
-After Day 4 of injections, my libido fucking exploded. Just unbelievably horny all damn day. I'm certain that this is not the testosterone, because I've been on test for the last six months and it didn't change my libido at all, even at a gram a week.
-I feel fantastic mentally. I hate to use the word "alpha" but I feel more confident, more assertive, more everything.
-Bitches love me. I dunno what it is, but every girl seems way more receptive. I went out with three girls last week and fucked all of them on the first date. The same girl who turned me down at the beginning of the summer is all about me now. Could this all be coincidence, I have no idea but it's pretty damn cool either way.
The Bad/Questionable:
-Haven't really seen DRAMATIC changes in body composition. Am I getting leaner, sure, but I'm eating 3k cals and doing cardio five days a week. I don't feel like I'm cutting up any faster than I was pre-tren.
- Nothing has changed in terms of muscle shape/hardness. Of course, getting leaner will help with all that, but it's not happening yet.
-Definitely no change in pumps at the gym or in strength. The strength thing is disappointing, because I do compete in powerlifting and was hoping for a big boost going into an October bench contest. And before anyone asks, yes I am pushing myself with the poundages.
-Haven't seen any of the common tren side effects. No sweats, no insomnia, no irritability/ aggression/paranoia. I think my cardio is slightly worse, but I could just be imagining things.
I've got enough tren to last me till the end of October, so I'm going to keep at it and see what happens. So what does tren do for you?
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Apart from test, tren is bodybuilding....id go as far as to say nothing else comes anywhere close, if your single digits and dont improve on these compounds somthing is wrong
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So currently I'm using trenbolone for the first time. Injecting 75mg ED along with 50mg test prop ED, Pharmacom brand. After three weeks, while I'm seeing some good things, it doesn't seem like my experience matches up with what so many people say about tren. I was curious to know about some your personal thoughts with the compound, and what it does for you. By the way, if you think I just need to be more patient, say so. I'm a big guy, I can handle it.
The Good:
-After Day 4 of injections, my libido fucking exploded. Just unbelievably horny all damn day. I'm certain that this is not the testosterone, because I've been on test for the last six months and it didn't change my libido at all, even at a gram a week.
-I feel fantastic mentally. I hate to use the word "alpha" but I feel more confident, more assertive, more everything.
-Bitches love me. I dunno what it is, but every girl seems way more receptive. I went out with three girls last week and fucked all of them on the first date. The same girl who turned me down at the beginning of the summer is all about me now. Could this all be coincidence, I have no idea but it's pretty damn cool either way.
The Bad/Questionable:
-Haven't really seen DRAMATIC changes in body composition. Am I getting leaner, sure, but I'm eating 3k cals and doing cardio five days a week. I don't feel like I'm cutting up any faster than I was pre-tren.
- Nothing has changed in terms of muscle shape/hardness. Of course, getting leaner will help with all that, but it's not happening yet.
-Definitely no change in pumps at the gym or in strength. The strength thing is disappointing, because I do compete in powerlifting and was hoping for a big boost going into an October bench contest. And before anyone asks, yes I am pushing myself with the poundages.
-Haven't seen any of the common tren side effects. No sweats, no insomnia, no irritability/ aggression/paranoia. I think my cardio is slightly worse, but I could just be imagining things.
I've got enough tren to last me till the end of October, so I'm going to keep at it and see what happens. So what does tren do for you?
careful, messes with your head after awhile. For me I find that my higher-level thinking takes a bit of a hit on it. Not a retard of course, still did exams on it lol, but not as sharp as I usually am.
Ran it high dosed for 4 months last year and towards the end i just felt empty, depressed, and angry all the time. This year I cut the dose by about 30% and ran it for 8 weeks, much better
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-Bitches love me. I dunno what it is, but every girl seems way more receptive. I went out with three girls last week and fucked all of them on the first date. The same girl who turned me down at the beginning of the summer is all about me now. Could this all be coincidence, I have no idea but it's pretty damn cool either way.
people claim this is broscience or comes from the mentality you get while on tren but i SWEAR bitches can smell the shit flowing through your veins.
i NEVER had a girl turn me down when i was on tren ever, and you always get them on the first date if you try to.
on tren i staretd having girls all over my ass who wouldnt even look at me before...
must be something about the pheromones you sweat out or whatever, but its REALLY noticable and not a comparison at all to ANY other AAS...
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people claim this is broscience or comes from the mentality you get while on tren but i SWEAR bitches can smell the shit flowing through your veins.
i NEVER had a girl turn me down when i was on tren ever, and you always get them on the first date if you try to.
on tren i staretd having girls all over my ass who wouldnt even look at me before...
must be something about the pheromones you sweat out or whatever, but its REALLY noticable and not a comparison at all to ANY other AAS...
it happen with me too
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What's the longest you guys would wait to see any kind of change in body composition before concluding that something's up? I was really looking for muscle separation and strength out of tren, but so far nada.
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3D delts come very quickly in my case
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people claim this is broscience or comes from the mentality you get while on tren but i SWEAR bitches can smell the shit flowing through your veins.
i NEVER had a girl turn me down when i was on tren ever, and you always get them on the first date if you try to.
on tren i staretd having girls all over my ass who wouldnt even look at me before...
must be something about the pheromones you sweat out or whatever, but its REALLY noticable and not a comparison at all to ANY other AAS...
You're correct about pheromones.. My girlfriend knows exactly when I'm on tren without me even telling her.. When she's near me, she'll say something like 'there's that smell again', then comment on how it makes her horny.. Definitely something to it..
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people claim this is broscience or comes from the mentality you get while on tren but i SWEAR bitches can smell the shit flowing through your veins.
i NEVER had a girl turn me down when i was on tren ever, and you always get them on the first date if you try to.
on tren i staretd having girls all over my ass who wouldnt even look at me before...
must be something about the pheromones you sweat out or whatever, but its REALLY noticable and not a comparison at all to ANY other AAS...
I'm wondering if this pheromonal effect is able to outweigh the sometimes negative facial changes associated with tren use for me, I look more masculine but also slightly more bloated at the same time, probably net no effect lol
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Pros:
-Makes me strong as a bull.
-Increases energy in the gym once i get the blood flowing.
-Seems to give me a harder look.
-Makes me hungry all the time.
-Makes building muscle easier, due to strength and increase in calories.
-Does seem to get women's attention; i do believe there are pheromones or something of the like. Large doses of Test do the same thing. My personal opinion, is it puts the Male in "heat" so they notice the small ques more and put off a different vibe. That's just my opinion, but there could be more to it.
Cons:
-Gives me intense anxiety; i'm already hyper, but it makes me feel a bit crazy.
-I sweat all day.
-Insomnia.
-Very short temper; people don't want to admit "roid rage", but androgens always make me aggressive, which is good in the gym, not at work or with your SO.
-BP goes through the roof, even on 400mg EW.
-Ruins my entire blood panel within weeks.
-Kills my endurance.
Due to the health related issues, i don't use Tren anymore and probably never will, it destroys my values and i am more focused on health these days. I have no use for it now that i just lift weights for a hobby and to stay in shape. If you're a competitive bodybuilder or strength athlete, it's the holy grail, but if you need endurance stay far away IMO.
Oddly enough, the best results i ever got on Tren was using 800mg with a TRT dose of Test and 8iu of GH, a little T3/4 mixed in along the way. I was in the best shape of my life on this stack about 4 years ago.
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What's the longest you guys would wait to see any kind of change in body composition before concluding that something's up? I was really looking for muscle separation and strength out of tren, but so far nada.
6 weeks on long esters. 4 weeks on short.
You should be able to see and feel a small difference by these times.
For me, gains always came around the 8 week mark, which is why i always believed in long cycles.
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6 weeks on long esters. 4 weeks on short.
You should be able to see and feel a small difference by these times.
For me, gains always came around the 8 week mark, which is why i always believed in long cycles.
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Same for me , long cycles or i just gain/drop water and glycogen
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Yea long cycles 3 years long and your golden. Fuck i need to come off instead of blasting again after 8n
Weeks of cruise.
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On now at 100mg day, crazy, veins , crazy pumps, agression, terrible sleep, night sweating, increas strength
Sounds like you just have prop
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On now at 100mg day, crazy, veins , crazy pumps, agression, terrible sleep, night sweating, increas strength
Sounds like you just have prop
I'm open to the possibility that I got something that is not tren. That would be disappointing. At this point, all I have is an expensive (and painful) way to get more pussy. Which is cool, but not what I paid for lol. I'll go thru another 20ml but I'm starting to lose hope. By the way...does anyone get sore elbows on tren? I mean like so painful that lowering the bar on the bench is a problem?
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I think the women thing boils down to confidence and hornyness. Tren plays with your mind making you think girls are into you so you get super confident which actually is a turn on for women...
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Q) What does it do for you?
A) It tempts me , my friend - I'm turning 49 soon and Tren would probably be a BAD idea on so many levels, but when I read about it's physique "magic", that little voice that says "don't be an idiot" develops immediate onset debilitating laryngitis.
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Tren makes me look hard as fuck and strong as fuck. I get extreme vascularity and fat melts off easy I see noticeable changes by the day in the mirror at moderate dosages. After 10 weeks I am a fucking psychopath and have to come off then I get acne for 2 weeks on my shoulders which is a zit or 2 on myour delts which I never get any pimples. Causes my hair to thin out as well. I love that shit but use it once a year
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I'm open to the possibility that I got something that is not tren. That would be disappointing. At this point, all I have is an expensive (and painful) way to get more pussy. Which is cool, but not what I paid for lol. I'll go thru another 20ml but I'm starting to lose hope. By the way...does anyone get sore elbows on tren? I mean like so painful that lowering the bar on the bench is a problem?
real tren is extremely powerful, I guess there may be a chance that you don't respond to it, but maybe try another brand, a reputable one like alpha pharma or something. I can honestly feel the effects of tren (mentally) within 2 or 3 days of using, noticeable physical changes are apparent by about 4-5 days
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First time I shot 100mgs of tren ace I could feel it in a few hours first shot I got the cough as well. The cough is what tells me the tren is legit if im low dosing takes a few days to notice but 100mgs of good tren and I know.
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First time I shot 100mgs of tren ace I could feel it in a few hours first shot I got the cough as well. The cough is what tells me the tren is legit if im low dosing takes a few days to notice but 100mgs of good tren and I know.
I've gotten that only a few times. I feel a weird sensation in my lungs and medicine type taste after shot.
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Well, I got in touch with Pharmacom directly but they aren't interested in testing a vial to see exactly what it is. So I'll have to deal with the reseller, not too hopeful about that.
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I've gotten that only a few times. I feel a weird sensation in my lungs and medicine type taste after shot.
Wierd feeling in the lungs for sure.
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Did the scratch code check out on the pharmacom website?
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I'm on pharamacom now and it is legit. I think they tested a batch and it came in around 10 mgs under dosed which is not that bad.
Best stuff ever was pellets though :-[ :-[ :-[
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Accidentally erased my post but it's about the same as everyone else. I swear on my life that my shoulders and abs have visible changes the next morning after pinning tren ace. Call bullshit all you want but it's true. I love the capped shoulders and the full, tight muscle look.
I can tolerate a bottle of tren, but that's when the sides come in. Say what you will, but I have tried every diet and thyroid manipulation trick and I just cannot get the sweating under wraps. Also best friends with an endo so all my blood work is always where it needs to be. There's just something about tren... I hate being on a date and having a soaking wet ass when I'm just sitting down, man. Tren attracts all the women either through pheromones or the positive, aggressive aura that you emit. But what's the point of being so magnetic when your body is a mess? It's like some dirty rotten trick. I'm sure there's some Greek mythology backstory that would pair well with tren.
Another thing I hate is that I'm a sexual beast at first, but after a gram of tren goes into the system it gets harder and harder to bust a nut. I've nearly torn women open, and even throwing down the lube I'll be burning through condoms like it's no one's business. It just reduces sex and intimacy to a means to an end. Pair that with an extremely short fuse, along with paranoia and extreme social inversion and it totally negates any benefits of running tren. I'm not antisocial like a lot of bodybuilders so I limit my tren use to one bottle, then take 3-4 months off or longer. It fucks up my life too much. I have Vietnam flashbacks when I think of how miserable tren is, but like a junky, I take a ml or two of that shit and get hooked on the way I look and feel at first.
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Did the scratch code check out on the pharmacom website?
Scratch codes check out on all 5 vials I have. This is the batch that was tested most recently on anaboliclab.com-that was one of the reasons I bought them.
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Scratch codes check out on all 5 vials I have. This is the batch that was tested most recently on anaboliclab.com-that was one of the reasons I bought them.
ah, i used pharmacom for my recent run about 2 months back, was GTG. Maybe try alpha pharma trenarapid if you can get a hold of it, one warning it seemed to give me more acne than other tren brands I ran weird
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Well this is weird. Just injected 100mg tren+100mg cyp into my quad and got "the cough". First a burning metallic sensation in my nose, like sniffing ammonia, then chest pain, and then a bad coughing fit. First time this has happened in 27 days of injecting. I dunno guys, there's something in these vials, but it's not doing anything for my physique like tren is advertised to do.
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ah, i used pharmacom for my recent run about 2 months back, was GTG. Maybe try alpha pharma trenarapid if you can get a hold of it, one warning it seemed to give me more acne than other tren brands I ran weird
EQ do you remember the batch # of the tren you used? I have 604331. I'd be pretty pissed if we're using the same stuff and I'm getting nothing out of it, lol.
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Trén dosent do shit for me ! Except bad sleep and a lot of sweating. I swear to god somethings wrong with me or you guys are exaggerating as fuck..
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EQ do you remember the batch # of the tren you used? I have 604331. I'd be pretty pissed if we're using the same stuff and I'm getting nothing out of it, lol
ah sorry threw it away already lol. I guess response to AAS is always on a bell curve, so maybe you're a poor responder to tren. If you are, and coupled with the possibility that your tren is underdosed (I really don't know), then it might take a while to see changes. You really only see dramatic changes if you're very lean to start off with, if you're fatter the changes don't come so fast This gh15 description is pretty spot on if you're taking legit dosages, have decent response, and are somewhat lean to start off with:
week 1,, you will feel pumped but insted of bloofy feel of testosterona pump you will have the feeling of pump from the inside of the muscle while the more self knowing individuals who recognize changes fast will notice their face ...yes their face taking a diff look ,,they will be the only ones who notice it ,, it is something you notice personaly since it is only the beggining and no one else that see you will notice ,,they will think you are crazy if you tell them anythign so keep it to yourself,, face iwll start getting the high boxer type of look,,hard to explain ,, it is week one so nothing visual yet aside from pump ...tremendous strength and i mean tremendous! big diff than what you were before ,,and when you will expect to see your midsection bloat...and say something is not right here the belly got to be bloated...you will take your shirt up and notice that no! it is actualy looking tighter!,, yes yes this is week 1! since you are 12% you wont see much more ,,obliqes will start being noticed well and the girl will comliment that this is the area of the body she like the most right before she sucking your cock,, she wil comment on it because she wil be able to see it on you : ),, remember this is after 3-7 injects of trenbolona ace into blood at 100mg every inject
week 2-3
this is when progress being made and you start seeing your body transforms ,, still nothing like a pro bodybuild...nothing like top amatuer....but! you will start noticing that the pecs and delts are seperating,, they reduce fat yet remain full and start getting seperated as in water go into the muscle insted of outside of muscle,, this is a stage where you will still have water between skin and muscle so it wont be to an impressive level seperation wize,,but! the seperation will occure and in this 2-3 weeks try not to be crazy and dont take pictures every day ,, take them few times a weeek not every day you will go nuts,, trenbolona changes are only daily for the single digit fellas and the 8% and under,,so for you since you started 12% and now you are about 10-11.. try to not take many pictures every day because at this bodyfat levels pictures can be deciving ...one time you look great one time you look decent etc ,, not good comparisons,, at the end of this stage you will sit at high single digit sub 10%,, 9-10%
week 4-8...
this is when you will start getting comliments not only on how BIG YOU LOOK but you will start hearing the word LEAN ,, you will walk around and you will hear alot of wondering of how you got so lean ,, no one will say skinny ,, no one will say small ,, they will all use the word LEAN ,, lean this lean that,, still not thickly lean ,, the thickly lean comes little after down the road,, in this stage you get the YOU LOOK LEAN MAN comments,, this is when veins start becoming very visible in places you are not used to while sitting watching tv you will see veins on back of legs on forarms on inside of forarms on arms on traps on chest,, everywhere again it depend on how prone to veins you are but you will see the veins you have enhanced! ,,you will also get more serpeated and it will be to a level that when you take pictures you finaly will decide to keep them and wil feel very bad to delete them because they will look very good
week 9 and on ...
this is what seperate the REAL bodybuild from the wanna be ,, this is where the true mutation coming into play and you really start looking like magazine fella,, it is when you dont need to flex to see the seperated muscle in all its glory ,, it is when you stand and get compliments all over about how YOU ARE BOTH THICK AND LEAN aka YOU GET INTO A ZONE CALLED RIPPED AND THEN A BETTER ZONE CALLED SHREDDED,, those zones are again happeingn for you only after 2-3-4 of constant trenbolona usage because....you were 12-13% to begin with ,, and you had to build the trenbolona ace into blood and work that fat off with out cardio and with out losing even minimal power or muscle,, you also wanted to live normal life and eat pretty normal so this is why it take 2-3-4 months sometimes even 6 months,,
in any case,, at the end of this stage you are a walking bodybuilder that is ready for stage ,, looking 4 weeks out on a regular basis ,, you pretty much look nicely thickly lean ...aka seperated to a very noticable level ,, you get a lot of compliments fellas dont mind complimenting but they need to see something worth complimenting to do so ...and in this stage you wil have it friends,
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Trén dosent do shit for me ! Except bad sleep and a lot of sweating. I swear to god somethings wrong with me or you guys are exaggerating as fuck..
I think you are fucked, you may die. Tren works
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Hate to be the one to say it, but 9 times out of 10 the "non-responders" to steroids never look very good and have piss poor training, diet, genetics, etc. I can't see how you wouldn't respond to anabolic steroids.
I've seen a couple guys who were self proclaimed non-responders to tren and they were all fat shits. When you're fat and estrogenic, you don't see spectacular results because your diet and training are off, as well as the sheath of fat covers any semblance of muscle. I've never seen anyone with an impressive physique use multiple vials and tren and say "ya know what, I just think I don't respond to tren". :-X
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Lol
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Hate to be the one to say it, but 9 times out of 10 the "non-responders" to steroids never look very good and have piss poor training, diet, genetics, etc. I can't see how you wouldn't respond to anabolic steroids.
I've seen a couple guys who were self proclaimed non-responders to tren and they were all fat shits. When you're fat and estrogenic, you don't see spectacular results because your diet and training are off, as well as the sheath of fat covers any semblance of muscle. I've never seen anyone with an impressive physique use multiple vials and tren and say "ya know what, I just think I don't respond to tren". :-X
There was an old east german study I think, that showed that people have different response to anabolics. Just like there are people who response really well to low doses, conversely there must be people who don't respond well at all. Might be different for different steroids of course, how many times have we read over here by posters saying that so-and-so AAS didn't work for them, but another AAS worked wonders. Depends on the individual really. I find it hard to believe that someone would have no response to tren at all though haha. I have piss poor genetics (no I'm not a fat fuck I'm a naturally lean but small twink) but even then I respond somewhat to tren, enough to get female attention not enough to win a contest, but that's good enough for me :D
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Hate to be the one to say it, but 9 times out of 10 the "non-responders" to steroids never look very good and have piss poor training, diet, genetics, etc. I can't see how you wouldn't respond to anabolic steroids.
I've seen a couple guys who were self proclaimed non-responders to tren and they were all fat shits. When you're fat and estrogenic, you don't see spectacular results because your diet and training are off, as well as the sheath of fat covers any semblance of muscle. I've never seen anyone with an impressive physique use multiple vials and tren and say "ya know what, I just think I don't respond to tren". :-X
Just don't see all the hype about tren when there are a lot of other great steroids out there who gives me much more satisfying results. Wouldn't say I'm fat estrogenic self proclaimed non responder. I have rather ok physique I would say. Probably bigger and better shape then you 8)
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And bigger dick if we go into that
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Uh well I'll certainly admit to being fatter than most people around here, but I'll stand by my training every day of the week. With the kind of success I had in powerlifting, if that was with shit training I would love to see what I would do with a decent program. Now that I'm kinda refocusing away from PL for a bit, I'm trying to get some better shape and muscle definition going. Again, I'm losing weight every week and getting leaner, but I don't see any "magic" happening like some report with trenbolone. Am I still too fat perhaps but if that's true the results should only improve as I get leaner. I've got all the muscle I'll ever need realistically I just want it to look good lol.
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Uh well I'll certainly admit to being fatter than most people around here, but I'll stand by my training every day of the week. With the kind of success I had in powerlifting, if that was with shit training I would love to see what I would do with a decent program. Now that I'm kinda refocusing away from PL for a bit, I'm trying to get some better shape and muscle definition going. Again, I'm losing weight every week and getting leaner, but I don't see any "magic" happening like some report with trenbolone. Am I still too fat perhaps but if that's true the results should only improve as I get leaner. I've got all the muscle I'll ever need realistically I just want it to look good lol.
Ain't no magic gonna happen. The fattest I have been was 13% and I was on little more than 200mg ED.. apperently this is very unpopular opinion.. but tren is over hyped... that is my shitty experience.. but ofc you are gonna see it work much better when you are leaner. But nothing for you todo now other than keep on dieting
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I have very good results with only 50mgs eod and at 125 eod is as much as I can handle and it changes me dramatically at the higher dosage for me also I have sweats, cough, lack of sleep. I usually lose 10 lbs and every one thinks I have gotten bigger when I drop from 14 to 8%ish body fat in 5 wreks Measured by calipers
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Trén dosent do shit for me ! Except bad sleep and a lot of sweating. I swear to god somethings wrong with me or you guys are exaggerating as fuck..
Not exaggeratig, big gains and sides. Literally feel hard as a rock after 2 weeks and also crazy. I stay low bf and see the effects quickly. Also, can cheat a bit more while I'm on it, usually means the nightsweats will be worse
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There was an old east german study I think, that showed that people have different response to anabolics. Just like there are people who response really well to low doses, conversely there must be people who don't respond well at all. Might be different for different steroids of course, how many times have we read over here by posters saying that so-and-so AAS didn't work for them, but another AAS worked wonders. Depends on the individual really. I find it hard to believe that someone would have no response to tren at all though haha. I have piss poor genetics (no I'm not a fat fuck I'm a naturally lean but small twink) but even then I respond somewhat to tren, enough to get female attention not enough to win a contest, but that's good enough for me :D
Dadadada.... piss poor genetics. I actually have piss poor genetics myself, but I find what works and repeat the process. I don't understand what people don't comprehend about this. If you're not responding to anabolic steroids, that person needs to sit down and reassess things.
Just don't see all the hype about tren when there are a lot of other great steroids out there who gives me much more satisfying results. Wouldn't say I'm fat estrogenic self proclaimed non responder. I have rather ok physique I would say. Probably bigger and better shape then you 8)
I think it's virtually undisputed that tren is lightyears ahead of most other steroids, at least in general terms. Not splitting hairs about whether people can tolerate it or not. Dollar for dollar, mg for mg, it's gains in a bottle.
In terms of fat and responsiveness, I haven't trudged through the studies cause I simply don't care anymore, but I've never seen anyone who's big and fat respond well to steroids. And every time I'm super lean or watch a super lean friend train on a new steroid, they always respond tremendously. Fat is the enemy. Estrogen is the enemy too, but even when you get your estrogen ranges in the Goldilocks zone, if you're fat, you're still at a massive disadvantage. I don't think any of what I'm saying is too farfetched, and I can't be the only person to notice this.
Just suggesting everyone do themselves a favor and get lean. It'll stretch the dollar way further. I'm definitely not massive, but I can run tiny doses, I don't have to obsess over meals and training and I look and feel great all the time. With age comes more and more difficulty to stay lean, but it's really well worth it. I don't know how lean I am right now but I don't care - I look and feel good. And I can't put a price on that.
Tried attaching a current pic but I dunno if it worked. Can't post much else cause of personal body identifiers and the industry I work in. Gotta protect my lifetime natty status lol
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Dadadada.... piss poor genetics. I actually have piss poor genetics myself, but I find what works and repeat the process. I don't understand what people don't comprehend about this. If you're not responding to anabolic steroids, that person needs to sit down and reassess things.
I think it's virtually undisputed that tren is lightyears ahead of most other steroids, at least in general terms. Not splitting hairs about whether people can tolerate it or not. Dollar for dollar, mg for mg, it's gains in a bottle.
In terms of fat and responsiveness, I haven't trudged through the studies cause I simply don't care anymore, but I've never seen anyone who's big and fat respond well to steroids. And every time I'm super lean or watch a super lean friend train on a new steroid, they always respond tremendously. Fat is the enemy. Estrogen is the enemy too, but even when you get your estrogen ranges in the Goldilocks zone, if you're fat, you're still at a massive disadvantage. I don't think any of what I'm saying is too farfetched, and I can't be the only person to notice this.
Just suggesting everyone do themselves a favor and get lean. It'll stretch the dollar way further. I'm definitely not massive, but I can run tiny doses, I don't have to obsess over meals and training and I look and feel great all the time. With age comes more and more difficulty to stay lean, but it's really well worth it. I don't know how lean I am right now but I don't care - I look and feel good. And I can't put a price on that.
Tried attaching a current pic but I dunno if it worked. Can't post much else cause of personal body identifiers and the industry I work in. Gotta protect my lifetime natty status lol
I'm about to sleep so I'm gonna make it short...lol at "piss poor genetic" wouldn't say that. You have above average. You need to build your self image regarding that little more. I don't know why but when I take pic of me lying down I can see more defination to my 6 pack. But never the less you are probably about 2% lower me. You have nice size also.
Never said tren didn't work for shit.. just overated in my opinion. Even tho I include it almost everytime I blast at some dosages. I like deca and npp.. but I like it even more with tren.. but overall i prefer deca over tren. Could be I have never tried a good brand of tren. Even í tried like 8 brands.. but I do live in a small island with very limited good stuff
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I'm about to sleep so I'm gonna make it short...lol at "piss poor genetic" wouldn't say that. You have above average. You need to build your self image regarding that little more. I don't know why but when I take pic of me lying down I can see more defination to my 6 pack. But never the less you are probably about 2% lower me. You have nice size also.
Never said tren didn't work for shit.. just overated in my opinion. Even tho I include it almost everytime I blast at some dosages. I like deca and npp.. but I like it even more with tren.. but overall i prefer deca over tren. Could be I have never tried a good brand of tren. Even í tried like 8 brands.. but I do live in a small island with very limited good stuff
The main reason why I like tren is that it changes the look of your muscle bellies and gives you hardness so you don't actually have to be leaner to look leaner. I use it because I hate proper dieting, so I use a bit of tren for summer, lower calories a bit, and that's a good enough look. Enhances the shoulder width and brings in the waist a bit, which is the look you want. Of course, if I was to compete, I wouldn't be fooling anyone lol. I try to keep tren use to an absolute minimum because it kills my bloodwork, and I'm still a bit scared even though I run a shit load of health ancillaries on my tren runs
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Most powerful/cheap/common AAS
Worst combination of sides also
Double edged sword, respect the tren!
What's everyone's take on ace vs enanthate?
Besides ace kicking in faster and slightly stronger mg for mg:
I definitely feel like a zombie but also stimmed out on edge using ACE
With ENAN the difference was that I was constantly dehydrated, could not drink enough water ever
Both are painful, potent, and probable you will break up with your gf
Never ran over 550mg per week but I felt that's where real magic was happening
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I'm wondering if this pheromonal effect is able to outweigh the sometimes negative facial changes associated with tren use for me, I look more masculine but also slightly more bloated at the same time, probably net no effect lol
Yep, tren gives me puffy cheeks. I didn't want to accept it was the tren, but it was! It doesn't seem to make me hold water elsewhere on my body, only my damn cheeks!
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Tried attaching a current pic but I dunno if it worked. Can't post much else cause of personal body identifiers and the industry I work in. Gotta protect my lifetime natty status lol
I hope you did not just post that you willingly promote yourself as something you are not....
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I'm about to sleep so I'm gonna make it short...lol at "piss poor genetic" wouldn't say that. You have above average. You need to build your self image regarding that little more. I don't know why but when I take pic of me lying down I can see more defination to my 6 pack. But never the less you are probably about 2% lower me. You have nice size also.
Never said tren didn't work for shit.. just overated in my opinion. Even tho I include it almost everytime I blast at some dosages. I like deca and npp.. but I like it even more with tren.. but overall i prefer deca over tren. Could be I have never tried a good brand of tren. Even í tried like 8 brands.. but I do live in a small island with very limited good stuff
Thanks, man. I do think I look good, but I've also seen people with way better genetic response than me. The "worst" being my best friend's younger brother who was too afraid to inject. I gave him 400mg of test e a week for a few weeks and he seriously looked like a pro bodybuilder... made me sick to my stomach seeing how well he responded. He went on to win a ton of shows and easily surpassed me. I should also add that he also used to be fat. We used to make fun of his tits. But I keep plugging away and listening closely to my body because that's all I can do.
Most powerful/cheap/common AAS
Worst combination of sides also
Double edged sword, respect the tren!
What's everyone's take on ace vs enanthate?
Besides ace kicking in faster and slightly stronger mg for mg:
I definitely feel like a zombie but also stimmed out on edge using ACE
With ENAN the difference was that I was constantly dehydrated, could not drink enough water ever
Both are painful, potent, and probable you will break up with your gf
Never ran over 550mg per week but I felt that's where real magic was happening
Ace over enth. Even when I tried taking more enth, I still responded way better to ace. I suspect it may be because it hits you faster and there's something about that which makes it better, but I don't know and don't really care. Ran enth many times to cut down on injections but ace feels twice as good in my experience. I don't bother messing with a good thing just to curb curiosity. Tren ace reigns supreme at least in my experience.
I hope you did not just post that you willingly promote yourself as something you are not....
And I hope you sincerely didn't give a shit about a figure on the internet lol
I'm half joking. I don't talk about gear in real life unless it's with friends. If it's with an acquaintance, I'll say I've tried a few things but promote a healthy life style and really try persuading them to research anything before jumping in. But when it comes to employment, I am a god damn lifetime natural through and through. Why in the blue fuck should someone risk their employment? I don't have a job in the fitness industry so it shouldn't matter what's under the suit and tie. 1/100th of the population can even begin to understand performance and physique enhancing drugs and supplements.
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I'm half joking. I don't talk about gear in real life unless it's with friends. If it's with an acquaintance, I'll say I've tried a few things but promote a healthy life style and really try persuading them to research anything before jumping in. But when it comes to employment, I am a god damn lifetime natural through and through. Why in the blue fuck should someone risk their employment? I don't have a job in the fitness industry so it shouldn't matter what's under the suit and tie. 1/100th of the population can even begin to understand performance and physique enhancing drugs and supplements.
Your post made it seem like you were in the fitness industry otherwise there is really no reason to even post what you did as of course you don't just go around advertising it. That goes without saying/is common sense.
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Your post made it seem like you were in the fitness industry otherwise there is really no reason to even post what you did as of course you don't just go around advertising it. That goes without saying/is common sense.
Ahhhhhhhh, i get ya. I said the industry I work in. Not the muscle and thong "industry" bahahha... I have way more self-respect than to peel for dudes. The fitness industry is the furthest thing from a professional industry lol
I just secretly live by the thong and die by the thong. ;D
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I will stay away from tren in the rest of my life. Its a crazy drug. I cant handle it at all. I dont like eating too much. The most I eat are 2500 calories in a day. So when I use tren I am starting to lose weight dramaticly and pissing like a horse cant put on size have veins everywhere starting to think every women are attracted to me want to fuck every beatifull women cant stand people and be very unpatient. Thats what tren does to me. It really plays with my temper and makes me very paranoid and agressive. But If you ask for general muscle building then Its a miracle drug. I had the best body compared to stages on my life while using tren but once again I cant handle it and I dont like being to lean at all . Instead of being lean I prefer looking a little bulky.
So I will never use anything else than test deca and gh.
I would rather like mike mentzer type of look than flex wheeler.)))