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Woops.... there ya go
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I think Ronnie forgot to bring his skin to the show.
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I think Ronnie forgot to bring his skin to the show.
Actually he was drier in 98/99
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Yes but he was also 287lbs in 2003. That conditioning, musclularity and sheer size will not be matched for years to come and will go down in history as perhaps the most dominant win ever. There was ronnie and then there was the rest of the field. No one stood a chance
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Ronnie was better in 2002, 18 days out of the olympia @ 275lbs.
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Yes but he was also 287lbs in 2003. That conditioning, musclularity and sheer size will not be matched for years to come and will go down in history as perhaps the most dominant win ever. There was ronnie and then there was the rest of the field. No one stood a chance
Dominant win ever? what over ho-hum competition ? its not like he faced the best of the best at thier best , he dominated a mediocre group , big deal , his 98 win he faced a much better line-up although he didn't dominate that win was more impressive .
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Dominant win ever? what over ho-hum competition ? its not like he faced the best of the best at thier best , he dominated a mediocre group , big deal , his 98 win he faced a much better line-up although he didn't dominate that win was more impressive .
why do you guys blame ronnie because he has inferior competitors to go against. All the man does is win and you belittle his victories. In any era winning 8 in a row has to count for something. It shows his ability to remain at a high level for a long time, that is the trade mark of a great one. It is subjective as to who is the greatest ever but clearly ronnie is in the top 3.
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why do you guys blame ronnie because he has inferior competitors to go against. All the man does is win and you belittle his victories. In any era winning 8 in a row has to count for something. It shows his ability to remain at a high level for a long time, that is the trade mark of a great one. It is subjective as to who is the greatest ever but clearly ronnie is in the top 3.
I'm not blamming Ronnie for his lack of competition , I'm mearly commenting on it , and pointing out that while it may have been a ' dominate ' win I think others have dominated a much better feild , Haney in 88 , Yates in 93 , so I question when people say its the most dominate win ever !!
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Thats the biggest stripper i have ever seen !!!!
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Monster monster!
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Dominant win ever? what over ho-hum competition ? its not like he faced the best of the best at thier best , he dominated a mediocre group , big deal , his 98 win he faced a much better line-up although he didn't dominate that win was more impressive .
Dorian didn't face the best at their best either.
1993: Flex - soft compared to the AC, had he been in AC shape, could have beaten Yates.
Levrone - poor shape due to a pec tear.
Ray - in shape
Labrada - not up to his previous standards.
Yates faced bigger names. But his 1993 dominant win was NOT over everyone in great shape. It was only against one or two in really good shape. The rest were not at their best. This is exactly the same as Ronnie in 2003 - Dexter and Dennis were in career best shape at the time, Jay and Levrone were not.
Neither faced the best at their best.
Dorian won in a more competitive era overall, but based on some of the grand prix pics posted recently, it looks like most of his wins in the later years were outright gifts, so winning in a more competitive era is meaningless if many of your wins were undeserved.
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/englishgrandprix1994/144.jpg)
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974026580.jpg)
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Dorian didn't face the best at their best either.
1993: Flex - soft compared to the AC, had he been in AC shape, could have beaten Yates.
Levrone - poor shape due to a pec tear.
Ray - in shape
Labrada - not up to his previous standards.
Yates faced bigger names. But his 1993 dominant win was NOT over everyone in great shape. It was only against one or two in really good shape. The rest were not at their best. This is exactly the same as Ronnie in 2003 - Dexter and Dennis were in career best shape at the time, Jay and Levrone were not.
Neither faced the best at their best.
Dorian won in a more competitive era overall, but based on some of the grand prix pics posted recently, it looks like most of his wins in the later years were outright gifts, so winning in a more competitive era is meaningless if many of your wins were undeserved.
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Are you kidding me ? in 93 they said he set the standard for the new era , that he was so much better than he needed to be to win , and every competitor basically said they're competing for 2nd place and Dorian owned the Sandow until he wanted .
Levrone , Ray and Wheeler were all in fantastic shape , sure Flex wasn't his best ever but he was amazing none the less , Labrada was ontop of his game and he was never off in a contest , he was very consistant , Clairmonte , Munzer , Ferigno and Schimdt were all on !!
And look at the quality of the 92 contest , and in 1995 , I'm sorry Yates faced a much higher quality competitior than Coleman ever did as did Lee Haney in 88 and 91 !!
And again you're saying Yates got a gift in the Grand Prix and you're basing this on a few pics? on what his gut? lol Coleman had a gut for most of his Olympia wins and Yates was much sharper post 94 Olympia so enough with your nonsense of he didn't deserve the win in 94 or the Grand Prix win , watch the video and read the quotes , the only ' controversy ' is in your mind !!
And again Ronnie's first Olympia win is much more impressive than 03 win , even though he beat a past prime Flex just barely .
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Are you kidding me ? in 93 they said he set the standard for the new era , that he was so much better than he needed to be to win , and every competitor basically said they're competing for 2nd place and Dorian owned the Sandow until he wanted .
Levrone , Ray and Wheeler were all in fantastic shape , sure Flex wasn't his best ever but he was amazing none the less , Labrada was ontop of his game and he was never off in a contest , he was very consistant , Clairmonte , Munzer , Ferigno and Schimdt were all on !!
And look at the quality of the 92 contest , and in 1995 , I'm sorry Yates faced a much higher quality competitior than Coleman ever did as did Lee Haney in 88 and 91 !!
And again you're saying Yates got a gift in the Grand Prix and you're basing this on a few pics? on what his gut? lol Coleman had a gut for most of his Olympia wins and Yates was much sharper post 94 Olympia so enough with your nonsense of he didn't deserve the win in 94 or the Grand Prix win , watch the video and read the quotes , the only ' controversy ' is in your mind !!
And again Ronnie's first Olympia win is much more impressive than 03 win , even though he beat a past prime Flex just barely .
No, I am not basing Yates' gift wins on a few pics and the fact that he has a gut. I am basing it on the fact that Yates, in 1994 had:
1. horrible delts
2. horrible overall arms
3. even more horrible quads.
4. horribe taper
5. horrible abs
6. almost no vascularity
7. very few striations.
8. poor chest.
9. GH gut
10. very wide waist on top of the gut
11. poor upper back detail
12. biceps that cannot be seen from the back.
13. undetailed hams
14. blocky appearance
15. poor tan
16. torn, missing left biceps muscle
Is that enough for ya?
Yates in 1994 was the definition of being overrated.
and, that is pretty obvious to most rational people. Yates 1994 contest season was a joke. The only thing he had going for him was a good lat spread, and even then, his quads sucked, so it was only good from the waist up. Everything else suffered that year.
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy179.jpg)
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Thats the biggest stripper i have ever seen !!!!
and if anyone's seen a lot of male strippers, it's you, joey...
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yate's faced many good if not great bber's in their peak years.i agree he was the biggest and hardest bber to be seen ever to that point,set new standard's on size,but his physique was blocky and shapeless.coleman has size and conditioning .maybe not as hard as yate's but he still has better shape for big man,and arm's which yate's didn't have.
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Dominant win ever? what over ho-hum competition ? its not like he faced the best of the best at thier best , he dominated a mediocre group , big deal , his 98 win he faced a much better line-up although he didn't dominate that win was more impressive .
It's the Olympia ,, his competition was the best of the best!?
He's so ahead of everyone,,in comparison to him (Ronnie) they look mediocre!
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93 olympia is the most dominant win ever .. all the superstars of the 90s were tryin to topple the english invader .. people thought levrone or wheeler would take him ... till doz posted the pics in flex then turned up onstage! ;D
thats was pure warfare... who did ron beat again? ::)
even jay cant match 93 doz ..... and thats with a decade of progress behind cutler too!
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and if anyone's seen a lot of male strippers, it's you, joey...
Actualy got asked to join "Manpower" once, me and a mate of mine , so we went along and had alook at what they did , I said nah not realy me to be honest and didnt join , but my mate did , and he was with them for about 6 years and came out a multi millionare and traveled the world and ended up snatching Chuck Norris,s wife of him and they now live happily in Aussie with 2 beautifull children and a chain of resturants , caught up with him last week actualy , stripping sure paid of for him huh !!!
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UNTOUCHABLE ;
c'mon ronnie you got 10 years progress/more trainin behand ya ...
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UNTOUCHABLE ;
c'mon ronnie you got 10 years progress/more trainin behand ya ...
Too bad contests are judged in COLOR. I am sure dogs prefer Dorian's physique though ::).
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in colour the grainyness is even more pronounced.. in colour ronnie looks like a condom full of piss!
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in colour the grainyness is even more pronounced.. in colour ronnie looks like a condom full of piss!
In color Dorian doesn't look as good. His physique is softer and lumpier and uglier. He looks like a raccoon stuffed with macaroni and cheese.
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erm no luc ... you are now graspin at straws.... dorians density and grainyness was f'uckin shockin ... and has never been matched... in comparison ron looks like an anal polyp compared to dorian's stealth bomber! ;)
lets discuss those pics shall we ... look dorian's calves... how massively developed , diamond hard and vascular they are compared to ron's lumps of s'hit ... look at dorian's quads ... like polished marble... as if two bodybuilder's legs had been condensed in to one.. rons just spills out all over the place.
observe doz's superior midesction ... fully developed seperated abs compared to ronnies 'badly pinched loaf' abs ! ;D
behold dorian's pecs.... the wonderous 'open book' cleavage .. the fully developed lower pecs and incredible muscle insertion/seperation from the abs! rons pecs disove into shapleless mass.... doz's pecs pure form with full delineation .. the perfect horizontal line of his lower pecs are almost mathematical.
weep in joy at doz's monstrously developed and vascular forearms .. ronnie has mere boiled bacon joints hahahaha .
note the symetrical flarin of yate's mighty lats ......
the only thing ronnie beats doz on is bicep peaks .. and f'uck all else !
and the 'coup de gras', look at doz's overall package of rock hard density.... the judges wouldnt even notice ronnie onstage standin next to that phenom!
lights out ...
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Dorian's proportions alone kill Ronnie and let's not even get into conditioning
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erm no luc ... you are now graspin at straws.... dorians density and grainyness was f'uckin shockin ... and has never been matched... in comparison ron looks like an anal polyp compared to dorian's stealth bomber! ;)
lets discuss those pics shall we ... look dorian's calves... how massively developed , diamond hard and vascular they are compared to ron's lumps of s'hit ... look at dorian's quads ... like polished marble... as if two bodybuilder's legs had been condensed in to one.. rons just spills out all over the place.
observe doz's superior midesction ... fully developed seperated abs compared to ronnies 'badly pinched loaf' abs ! ;D
behold dorian's pecs.... the wonderous 'open book' cleavage .. the fully developed lower pecs and incredible muscle insertion/seperation from the abs! rons pecs disove into shapleless mass.... doz's pecs pure form with full delineation .. the perfect horizontal line of his lower pecs are almost mathematical.
weep in joy at doz's monstrously developed and vascular forearms .. ronnie has mere boiled bacon joints hahahaha .
note the symetrical flarin of yate's mighty lats ......
the only thing ronnie beats doz on is bicep peaks .. and f'uck all else !
and the 'coup de gras', look at doz's overall package of rock hard density.... the judges wouldnt even notice ronnie onstage standin next to that phenom!
lights out ...
I think you have been thinking about this a little too much :D Ronnie has better quad sweep, better arm shape and separation. He also has a slightly slimmer waste and a better taper. He makes Dorian look like a pile of manure with the occasional chunk of concrete tossed on it.
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go see an optician son ... hahahahaha
dorian has f'uckin trumped the chump right there.. any dissent is merely sour grapes !
and this is from 93 too .....
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go see an optician son ... hahahahaha
dorian has f'uckin trumped the chump right there.. any dissent is merely sour grapes !
and this is from 93 too .....
Silly Brit. When are you prideful bastards going to adopt the Euro?
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Dorian's proportions alone kill Ronnie and let's not even get into conditioning
Dorian has the proportions of an obese Elton John impersonator.
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yawn .. run out of things to say ... you thick bastard!!
when you gonna arrest a few saudis , asswipe ?? ;D
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Dorian has the proportions of an obese Elton John impersonator.
see now you just come off as an ignorant fool, and a homo at that too!
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yawn .. run out of things to say ... you thick bastard!!
when you gonna arrest a few saudis , asswipe ?? ;D
Arguing about Dorian and Ronnie gets boring. It is opinion based so obviously it won't end. We are too gutless to arrest the Saudis, unfortunately. Enjoy licking the Queen's boots? :)
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see now you just come off as an ignorant fool, and a homo at that too!
I asked my 3 year old nephew what he thought of Dorian and that was the first thing he said. He is a sharp kid!
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Lets a go back to that first picture... find a picture where dorian looks more impressive. if you can. (ronnies legs arent even showing..) :-*
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look Dorian even said that he couldn't compete with Ronnie...That Ronnie surpassed everyone but he also said that if he didn't get hurt that it may have been a differnet story..
This is where i disagree with him...Although Dorian was pretty young about 10 years to Ronnie, Ronnie with out a doubt didn't start using the dosages that Dorian Did until later years...Pretty obvious...Dorian was pretty close to maxed out and i think he was....Now Ronnie is pretty close to maxed out(although 10 years the elder)Ronnie doesn't need more mass, he is far a beyond everyone else with cutler a close 2nd..But needs to streamline his mid section...That is all he should really work on until retirement...He is maxed out now...Just bring in a tighter package..
The future of bodybuilding will be the taller guys bringing in more mass...If Ronnie is 5"10ish---the future will be 6'3 6'5 guys bringing in bodies at 350 pounds...It may take some time to get there but it will happen...
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You don't know jack shit about Ronnie's drug intake. It's all speculation.
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No one stood a chance
to beat his gut at Mr. Olympia stage..
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Boy are there some losers on this forum. Quite literally a bunch of bitter so called "fans" who thinks its vogue to bash ad nauseum on the current champ.
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Not everyone can be as positive and uplifting as you, "sculpture".
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look Dorian even said that he couldn't compete with Ronnie...That Ronnie surpassed everyone but he also said that if he didn't get hurt that it may have been a differnet story..
This is where i disagree with him...Although Dorian was pretty young about 10 years to Ronnie, Ronnie with out a doubt didn't start using the dosages that Dorian Did until later years...Pretty obvious...Dorian was pretty close to maxed out and i think he was....Now Ronnie is pretty close to maxed out(although 10 years the elder)Ronnie doesn't need more mass, he is far a beyond everyone else with cutler a close 2nd..But needs to streamline his mid section...That is all he should really work on until retirement...He is maxed out now...Just bring in a tighter package..
The future of bodybuilding will be the taller guys bringing in more mass...If Ronnie is 5"10ish---the future will be 6'3 6'5 guys bringing in bodies at 350 pounds...It may take some time to get there but it will happen...
doz was far from 'maxxed out' .. he was addin 5lbs of muscle per anum and retainin his conditionin .. he would have stepped on stage around 280+ at some point if he hadnt broken his body down prematurely.
doz never said he couldnt compete with a current ronnie.. he just observed ronnie currently has more mass than he did... as i said doz was cut short ... but also observed it depended on what the judges were lookin for.
i would argue convincingly that dorian's monstrous mass coupled with his insane conditionin would get the nod everytime ... ronnie is just overblown .. hes got the quantity due to longer trainin n juicin .. but NO-ONE can hold a candle to 93 doz ... just look at them pics ... it aint even up for debate.
and dorian is a previous era!
ronster is bigger but he certainly aint better than doz al 93!
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No, I am not basing Yates' gift wins on a few pics and the fact that he has a gut. I am basing it on the fact that Yates, in 1994 had:
1. horrible delts
2. horrible overall arms
3. even more horrible quads.
4. horribe taper
5. horrible abs
6. almost no vascularity
7. very few striations.
8. poor chest.
9. GH gut
10. very wide waist on top of the gut
11. poor upper back detail
12. biceps that cannot be seen from the back.
13. undetailed hams
14. blocky appearance
15. poor tan
16. torn, missing left biceps muscle
Is that enough for ya?
Yates in 1994 was the definition of being overrated.
and, that is pretty obvious to most rational people. Yates 1994 contest season was a joke. The only thing he had going for him was a good lat spread, and even then, his quads sucked, so it was only good from the waist up. Everything else suffered that year.
See this is where your biased uneducated opinion rears its ugly head , overrated ? you've never seen the video or seen it live , you're basing his win on a few pictures , its laughable , I typed you the quotes NOT one single competitor had a problem with Dorian's win , except Hulkster 12 years later lol the competitor who you think should have won ( Shawn Ray ) said he got the spot he deserved , and he only got that spot by besting Levrone with a better posing routine , not with his physique according to the judges !
quote Flex Jan 1995 " Let it be recorded tthat in the immediate aftermath of the contest , none of his closest rivals even hinted that Yates did not deserve to win . "
quote Shawn Ray Flex Jan 1995 " Tonight I feel I got what I deserved "
quote Flex Jan 1995 " As Yates , Levrone and Ray stood onstage , the reiging champ ( cognizant of 1992 ) told Levrone " Looks like it's you and me again " Mr Olympia got it wrong , and the booing deciblel dwarfed that accorded the Dillet announcement as Kevin Levrone was called out in third "
quote Ironman Jan 1995 " Since he ( Ray ) was trailing Levrone by four points going into round 3 ( posing round ) Shawn was going to have to equal his showing of seven years ago ( Nationals win ) to have a chance of passing Levrone "
quote Ironman Jan 1995 " The battle was between Shawn and Kevin for second "
quote Ironman Jan 1995 former IFBB judge Roger Schwab " Yates is simply in another league. When he turns his back and flexes , he's the only man onstage. "
quote " Shawn Ray in a rout. He was better than ever. Any criticism is a stretch for a reporter to fill space. That such magnificence is litterally crushed by Yates is a sobering thought ."
Quote Flex Dec 1995
" In 1994 , he ( Dorian ) was admittedly not at his best , but he was still the best bodybuilder onstage that day. No one not even runner-up Shawn Ray,disagreed with that stance on the night of Yates' threepeat. "
Now you CANNOT argue with the bodybuilding experts who wrote these comments , who were AT THE SHOW in person , who do this for a living , your biased opinion that Dorian didn't deserve to win in 1994 directly contradicts what the experts say and what the competitors said , or didn't say , you just don't like Dorian and you're of the opinion he is overrated , now you may have your reasons , but you're not basing your opinions on facts , and the fact is Yates lost only twice while competing , and he NEVER finished lower than 2nd in a contest and he set a new standard in 1993 that everyone was trying to catch up to years later , he faced much stiffer & higher calibre competition than most of the other Olympia winners , and he won 6 Sandows in the process , and people are still talking about the B & W Kevin Horton pictures from 13 years ago !! anyway Hulkster keep ice-skating up hill its funny to watch you try . ;)
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we can all get along brothers
look to the socks
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Since when is doing a split a pose? Its fucking retarded. Leave that shit for a ballerina.
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I don't get why everybody is always judging Dorian Yates.
Buy a tape and shut the fuck up please. The contenders were not an even match for him. He was a mile ahead.
Levrone, always compared small next to Dorian, the same for Wheeler,
Shawn Ray not only looked small, he was actually small. He faces the same problem as Lee Priest, he has to be in perfect shape to make chance, not win but make a chance.
The only who one who was a testcase for Dorian was Nasser el sonata, but he lacked detail in the back, but he was in playing in the same league
(http://www.hugenasserelsonbaty.com/pics/standingRelaxedBW.jpg)
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nasser looked great from the front (shawn got a gift in 96 .. the runty lil bastard ) but his back was piss-poor... you cant have detail on no thickness or width!
the silhouette of dorian walkin onstage from backstage is always shockin .. the other bodybuilders look positively anorexic ... and doz was hard as f'uckin nails too !
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nasser looked great from the front (shawn got a gift in 96 .. the runty lil bastard ) but his back was piss-poor... you cant have detail on no thickness or width!
the silhouette of dorian walkin onstage from backstage is always shockin .. the other bodybuilders look positively anorexic ... and doz was hard as f'uckin nails too !
If you love him so much, why don't you marry him?
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Dorian's league
Mister underwearseller Nasser
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the simple fact of the matter is dorian was unbeatable for along time..contrary to what some people will have you think he was only really "off" in 1994. In 91 he was amazing, the only one who came close were Levrone, who could not match Dorian from the back.
I don't know where this crap started about dorian having shitty legs..I've seen it mentioned alot on this board but it's hogwash. Dorian had awsome legs, his hams, quads and calfs were incredible. The only areas where you can knock him were his torn bi and he did a good job hiding that.
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the simple fact of the matter is dorian was unbeatable for along time..contrary to what some people will have you think he was only really "off" in 1994. In 91 he was amazing, the only one who came close were Levrone, who could not match Dorian from the back.
I don't know where this crap started about dorian having shitty legs..I've seen it mentioned alot on this board but it's hogwash. Dorian had awsome legs, his hams, quads and calfs were incredible. The only areas where you can knock him were his torn bi and he did a good job hiding that.
His quads were ugly and asymmetrical. No striations and barely any cuts. He was only unbeatable because the judges favored grotesqueries.
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His quads were ugly and asymmetrical. No striations and barely any cuts. He was only unbeatable because the judges favored grotesqueries.
show me a pic of his asymmetrical quads..i'm not saying your wrong I just don't remember that ever being an issue.
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Dorian's league
Mister underwearseller Nasser
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he doesnt really sell his tighty whiteys does he? lol
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show me a pic of his asymmetrical quads..i'm not saying your wrong I just don't remember that ever being an issue.
I really don't know how to post pictures, but if you look at almost any picture of him, you can see it. It may have been from his minor quad tear.
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His quads were ugly and asymmetrical. No striations and barely any cuts. He was only unbeatable because the judges favored grotesqueries.
His legs overall were pretty fuggin great , he had excellent cuts , I believe he tore part of his quad in 94 as well so in the later years they did look a little smooth , and his rectus femoris & vastus lateralis look overdeveloped , it does look odd , however is satorius muscle was fully developed and thats rare for someone his size
His quads were in much better balance & proportion with his physique than Colemans , not to mention calves , Yates had ripped glutes and excellent hamstrings .
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His legs overall were pretty fuggin great , he had excellent cuts , I believe he tore part of his quad in 94 as well so in the later years they did look a little smooth , and his rectus femoris & vastus lateralis look overdeveloped , it does look odd , however is satorius muscle was fully developed and thats rare for someone his size
His quads were in much better balance & proportion with his physique than Colemans , not to mention calves , Yates had ripped glutes and excellent hamstrings .
given his record, i'd be surprised if he didn't site inject his calves.
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given his record, i'd be surprised if he didn't site inject his calves.
His record? and if anyone is site injecting calves it would be Ronnie .
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His record? and if anyone is site injecting calves it would be Ronnie .
1. Why wouldn't he do to his calves whatever he did to his delts? It's not like his delts were weak or anything . . . he just sounds like a person who likes taking advantage, fair or unfair.
2. I'm not Hulkster.
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His legs overall were pretty fuggin great , he had excellent cuts , I believe he tore part of his quad in 94 as well so in the later years they did look a little smooth , and his rectus femoris & vastus lateralis look overdeveloped , it does look odd , however is satorius muscle was fully developed and thats rare for someone his size
His quads were in much better balance & proportion with his physique than Colemans , not to mention calves , Yates had ripped glutes and excellent hamstrings .
they look fine to me...
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His legs overall were pretty fuggin great , he had excellent cuts , I believe he tore part of his quad in 94 as well so in the later years they did look a little smooth , and his rectus femoris & vastus lateralis look overdeveloped , it does look odd , however is satorius muscle was fully developed and thats rare for someone his size
His quads were in much better balance & proportion with his physique than Colemans , not to mention calves , Yates had ripped glutes and excellent hamstrings .
His quad/calf balance is definitely much better than Coleman's. Of course, Ronnie's glutes and hamstrings are more ripped, and in that picture, you can see how asymmetrical Dorian's quads are. Great calves though.
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they look fine to me...
Then you probably shouldn't be a bodybuilding judge. It is pretty obvious that they are different. Then again, some people struggle mightily to see that Jay has asymmetrical quads.
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His quad/calf balance is definitely much better than Coleman's. Of course, Ronnie's glutes and hamstrings are more ripped, and in that picture, you can see how asymmetrical Dorian's quads are. Great calves though.
I have bad news for you , nothing in nature is symmetrical , and I think Ron does have more ' ripped ' glutes which I don't give a flying fuck about , but Yates' hamstrings were pretty great .
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I have bad news for you , nothing in nature is symmetrical , and I think Ron does have more ' ripped ' glutes which I don't give a flying f**k about , but Yates' hamstrings were pretty great .
When I say asymmetrical, I mean seriously asymmetrical, enough ro ruin someone's symmetry and aesthetics. Thanks for telling me something I already knew about nature though ::) ;D Yates does have great hammies, Ronnie does too, very separated.
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ND's post highlights his problem: selective criteria. He doesnt give a fudge about ripped glutes but is so hung up on calves its just plain silly.
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Then you probably shouldn't be a bodybuilding judge. It is pretty obvious that they are different. Then again, some people struggle mightily to see that Jay has asymmetrical quads.
well, I'm not a judge but in that pic he's flexing one leg and one is relaxed. His right leg is cocked and twisted to one side so I don't see how you can compare the symmetry just from that shot...to judge it the right way wouldn't you need a straight on shot in the "relexed" position?
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ND's post highlights his problem: selective criteria. He doesnt give a fudge about ripped glutes but is so hung up on calves its just plain silly.
ND loves Dorian a bit too much. Is ND a homosexual?
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well, I'm not a judge but in that pic he's flexing one leg and one is relaxed. His right leg is cocked and twisted to one side so I don't see how you can compare the symmetry just from that shot...to judge it the right way wouldn't you need a straight on shot in the "relexed" position?
No, you would not. Have you ever seen Dorian's legs before? You seem like you haven't.
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ND's post highlights his problem: selective criteria. He doesnt give a fudge about ripped glutes but is so hung up on calves its just plain silly.
sorry dude but that's one of the worst posts I've ever read..ripped glutes don't mean a thing..like lee says "no one starts out training for ripped glutes" they are a result of diet and don't really mean shit. Why should glutes be judged in a bodybuilding show?
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sorry dude but that's one of the worst posts I've ever read..ripped glutes don't mean a thing..like lee says "no one starts out training for ripped glutes" they are a result of diet and don't really mean shit. Why should glutes be judged in a bodybuilding show?
They are one of the largest muscles in the body and unless they are ripped, you are not completed shredded. No one starts out training for legs either (for the most part), but that doesn't make them unimportant. Lee says that because he has soft glutes and hams.
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No, you would not. Have you ever seen Dorian's legs before? You seem like you haven't.
tell me oh great one, how does one judge the symmetry of a persons legs if not in the "relaxed" position from the front? Isn't that how they assess symmetry during the symmetry round?
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They are one of the largest muscles in the body and unless they are ripped, you are not completed shredded. No one starts out training for legs either (for the most part), but that doesn't make them unimportant. Lee says that because he has soft glutes and hams.
people were in pretty good shape in the 80's and no one had ripped glutes before Gaspari..so what you're saying is no one was ripped before Gaspari?
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people were in pretty good shape in the 80's and no one had ripped glutes before Gaspari..so what you're saying is no one was ripped before Gaspari?
People were ripped, they were just not absolutely shredded to the bone.
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No, I am not basing Yates' gift wins on a few pics and the fact that he has a gut. I am basing it on the fact that Yates, in 1994 had:
1. horrible delts
2. horrible overall arms
3. even more horrible quads.
4. horribe taper
5. horrible abs
6. almost no vascularity
7. very few striations.
8. poor chest.
9. GH gut
10. very wide waist on top of the gut
11. poor upper back detail
12. biceps that cannot be seen from the back.
13. undetailed hams
14. blocky appearance
15. poor tan
16. torn, missing left biceps muscle
Is that enough for ya?
Yates in 1994 was the definition of being overrated.
and, that is pretty obvious to most rational people. Yates 1994 contest season was a joke. The only thing he had going for him was a good lat spread, and even then, his quads sucked, so it was only good from the waist up. Everything else suffered that year.
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy179.jpg)
Actually, I think this post will go down in Getbig history as the most idiotic post ever, which says a lot. ::)
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People were ripped, they were just not absolutely shredded to the bone.
and no one died or lost a kidney from "getting in shape" back then either. When did ripped glutes start to be judged anyway?
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Actually, I think this post will go down in Getbig history as the most idiotic post ever, which says a lot. ::)
Trust me, there have been far worse posts ;D
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and no one died or lost a kidney from "getting in shape" back then either. When did ripped glutes start to be judged anyway?
Ripped glutes didn't kill anyone, diuretics misuse did. Rip glutes started being judged when judges realized how impressive they looked.
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Ripped glutes didn't kill anyone, diuretics misuse did. Rip glutes started being judged when judges realized how impressive they looked.
huh? when was this? Flex won alot of shows..did he ever have ripped glutes? big Kev won shows and was not known for having ripped glutes..vince taylor..no ripped glutes. Cormier...don't know but I don't recall anyone ever saying "wow look at cormier's ripped glutes". dorian had em but it was not his calling card, this whole ripped glutes thing is moronic at best. Who the fuck goes to a BB show to see ripped glutes?
Why do you think people use diuretics? To get harder on stage..how do you show off ripped glutes by being as hard as possible that's why people use diuretics. that's why people are dying...well among other things but that's another story.
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huh? when was this? Flex won alot of shows..did he ever have ripped glutes? big Kev won shows and was not known for having ripped glutes..vince taylor..no ripped glutes. Cormier...don't know but I don't recall anyone ever saying "wow look at cormier's ripped glutes". dorian had em but it was not his calling card, this whole ripped glutes thing is moronic at best. Who the f**k goes to a BB show to see ripped glutes?
Why do you think people use diuretics? To get harder on stage..how do you show off ripped glutes by being as hard as possible that's why people use diuretics. that's why people are dying...well among other things but that's another story.
I didn't say you had to have them to win ::) I said that they were taken into account when judging a physique. I don't think the ripped glutes thing is stupid, it is part of the evolution of bodybuilding, the same way people now have larger legs than they used to. Not saying you have to agree with it.
People don't use diuretics for ripped glutes, they have used them far before ripped glutes were in vogue. They use them to dry out their whole bodies, not just glutes. Ripped glutes helped make Dorian's rear view the finest in bodybuilding.
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honstly we can probably go back and forth on this all day ala hulkster and ND and that's not really something I want to do. I do have a question, in the IFBB judgeing criteria does it state that the glutes should be judged? I know the IFBB used to frown on people exposing them during a posing routine.
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Actually, I think this post will go down in Getbig history as the most idiotic post ever, which says a lot. ::)
yeah, cause in the 1994 contest season, Yates looked AMAZING!!:
(http://www.emusclemag.com/webimages/sandows/yates/1_lrg.jpg)
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honstly we can probably go back and forth on this all day ala hulkster and ND and that's not really something I want to do. I do have a question, in the IFBB judgeing criteria does it state that the glutes should be judged? I know the IFBB used to frown on people exposing them during a posing routine.
I don't know if the judges actually follow any rules :D
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Dorian's proportions alone kill Ronnie and let's not even get into conditioning
if Dorian's proportions kill ronnie, the please explain why using these two symmetry round shots of each of them in great shape (ronnie in 99 and Dorian in 93):
(http://www.ifbb.com/contestresults/mrolympia/coleman/99coleman9.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/diablo86/93%20olympia/dorian_yates_shawn_ray_flex_wheeler.jpg)
Dorian had horrible proportions compared to ronnie. The taper says it all.
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Who the f**k goes to a BB show to see ripped glutes?
and who the fuck goes to a BB show to see calves? 8)
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His legs overall were pretty fuggin great , he had excellent cuts
lay off the crack, ND. Even you have to admit that Dorian's quads were almost devoid of any cuts from the front whatsoever. it was a major weak point in a major muscle group, not a minor one, like calves.
If he had excellent cuts, lets see them...
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lay off the crack, ND. Even you have to admit that Dorian's quads were almost devoid of any cuts from the front whatsoever. it was a major weak point in a major muscle group, not a minor one, like calves.
If he had excellent cuts, lets see them...
Master of the overstatement you are , keep ice-skating up-hill I like watching you try.
Quote Former IFBB Judge from Iroman Magazine Jan 1995 comments on the best bodyparts from the 1994 Mr Olympia
" Best Chest - Yates and Levrone - torn pec aand all "
" Best Back - Yates. He has too much back to be compared. "
" Best Legs - Yates from top to bottom. "
Can't see any cuts in Yates' legs? get to Lens Crafters post haste !!
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compared to guys like ronnie, ray, and Wheeler, no, I don't see any cuts..
Yates' quads were among the worst of the top guys in the 90's. They look okay from the side, but bad from the front.
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again, show me some shots of Yates quads from the front that have cuts. You won't find many, if any.
These are cut quads!!:
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/52.jpg)
yates quads are relatively smooth with one big blob of a teardrop muscle on them.
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Hulkster this quote if for you , this sums up the Yates-debates
Muscular Development Feb 1994
" 1. Dorian Yates. Blew 'em away ! He was as dominating in this show as any champion can realistically hope to be. When you dissect the Yates physique and presentation, you can find several glaring flaws - the kind of flaws that kept others from the highest levels in our sport. But somehow , when you look at the whole picture , the flaws seem infinitesimal , virtually fading before your eyes can focus upon them.
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hahahahaha - what a fancy way of saying that Yates was flawed to all hell but the judges gave it to him anyway...
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hahahahaha - what a fancy way of saying that Yates was flawed to all hell but the judges gave it to him anyway...
You may not like the guy , you may not like his physique , but you cannot change the fact he owned the sport for 6 years .
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hahahahaha - what a fancy way of saying that Yates was flawed to all hell but the judges gave it to him anyway...
ND has been brainwashed too ;D
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thats what crack can do...
ps I certainly having nothing against Dorian "the man". I just think Dorian "the physique" got a lot more than it deserved on occasion.
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thats what crack can do...
ps I certainly having nothing against Dorian "the man". I just think Dorian "the physique" got a lot more than it deserved on occasion.
you can say the same thing about Ronnie "the physique" on a couple of occasions over the last few years...no the Ronnie that won his first couple of O's but there have been a few that were welllllllll.....
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you can say the same thing about Ronnie "the physique" on a couple of occasions over the last few years...no the Ronnie that won his first couple of O's but there have been a few that were welllllllll.....
Definitely. That is how bodybuilding is :-[
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People were ripped, they were just not absolutely shredded to the bone.
and this was bad why?
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and this was bad why?
It wasn't bad, it was suboptimal. Kind of like how Arnold's legs were suboptimal compared to modern standards, but by themselves they are quite good.
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It wasn't bad, it was suboptimal. Kind of like how Arnold's legs were suboptimal compared to modern standards, but by themselves they are quite good.
ND has argued in the past that they are better than Ronnie Coleman's at their best.
oh, the wonders of crack... :-*
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=62104.0;attach=71997)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=62104.0;attach=71996)
People, please admire the spectacular left biceps development. ::)
Never as in this case it should be appropriate to claim....
....MONSTER BICEPS!!
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ND has been brainwashed too ;D
I guess the Mr Olympia judges were brainwashed too , and the writers for all the bodybuilding magazines , bottom line , whether you like his physique or not , no one can deny Dorian was a winner , right from the get go , he entered 17 Pro contests and won 15 of them , thats a 88% win average , he never placed lower than second in a contest , and was only beaten twice , he dominated the sport at the time he competed , he changed the standard for years to come , he was so much better than he needed to be to win , to call him overrated his nonsense ,
if you don't like his physique thats fine but do say he was overrated shows your biased and your lack of knowlege , almost 10 years after he retired he is still being talked about.
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You may not like the guy , you may not like his physique , but you cannot change the fact he owned the sport for 6 years .
I think the same goes for you in regards to ronnie. You are the most ardent of ronnie critics, yet unfortunatly for you ronnie is in charge right now. And thats a fact you can't change
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I guess the Mr Olympia judges were brainwashed too , and the writers for all the bodybuilding magazines , bottom line , whether you like his physique or not , no one can deny Dorian was a winner , right from the get go , he entered 17 Pro contests and won 15 of them , thats a 88% win average , he never placed lower than second in a contest , and was only beaten twice , he dominated the sport at the time he competed , he changed the standard for years to come , he was so much better than he needed to be to win , to call him overrated his nonsense ,
if you don't like his physique thats fine but do say he was overrated shows your biased and your lack of knowlege , almost 10 years after he retired he is still being talked about.
He was overrated because his body was uglier than ten-thousand pigs. He won because the judges were obsessed with ugly, brutal size and condition, and ignored aesthetics. The judges were brainwashed because many times they judged Dorian on what he used to look like, they do the same to Ronnie.
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Thanks for informing us of what's been said no more than 962 times in previous posts. Brilliant. ::)
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Thanks for informing us of what's been said no more than 962 times in previous posts. Brilliant. ::)
That's what message boards are all about. If we restricted Getbig to original arguments then we would find ourselves with little to write about ;D.
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This has become Louis vs. Ali, or Ali vs. Tyson ...
Bodybuilding, though, so no one gives a shit.
'Cept here, of course.
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I guess the Mr Olympia judges were brainwashed too , and the writers for all the bodybuilding magazines , bottom line , whether you like his physique or not , no one can deny Dorian was a winner , right from the get go , he entered 17 Pro contests and won 15 of them , thats a 88% win average , he never placed lower than second in a contest , and was only beaten twice , he dominated the sport at the time he competed , he changed the standard for years to come , he was so much better than he needed to be to win , to call him overrated his nonsense ,
if you don't like his physique thats fine but do say he was overrated shows your biased and your lack of knowlege , almost 10 years after he retired he is still being talked about.
see that is where you are dead wrong. I have a musclemag from 1994 and it TRASHES Yates in the 1994 Olympia. You can't believe everything you read, especially from WEIDER sources. You really think that Flex magazine is going to trash its Mr. Olympia?? I don't think so. You can't change this fact:
Yates in 1994, 1996 and 1997 was about as flawed as a Mr. Olympia can get. Far more glaring flaws than Ronnie ever had, even at his worst, and the flaws were on MAJOR bodyparts, like arms and legs, not minor ones that the judges and everyone else doesn't care about, like calves.. Refer to my list of 14-odd things if you need to refresh you memory.
And, I laugh at how you call me biased, this coming from someone who has argued the most BIZARRE arguments on bb message board history (and most of them involving trashing Ronnie (arms, quads etc) against people with clearly inferior ones (eg. Yates arms, whom you argued were better than Ronnie's, and arnolds toothpicks, just to name a few) ::)
You have become so desparate in your attempt to argue that 1994 yates was amazing that you have to use quotes from a weider-owned publication to support your arguments.
You can't even use Yates actual physique.
That is the very definition of desperation
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dorian never clearly lost an olympia like ronnie did in 2001 !
you can bitch all ya like... doz was injured and f'ucked but still trounced the moanin oposition in his 'bad' years.
ronnie was so thoroughly pwned in 2001 he even signalled defeat to the crowd before jay was robbed blind .. how f'uckin sad is that .. the champ onstage admittin defeat !!
and his pityful excuse/facesave afterwards tryin to explain away his 'second place wave' was f'uckin hilarious and downright sad !
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You have become so desparate in your attempt to argue that 1994 yates was amazing
And you continue to desperately refute.
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All this jerkin' ... ain't nobody cum yet?
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And you continue to desperately refute.
I agree - I should stop now. ND is the only one who actually thinks that Yates in 1994 was amazing.
Crack can do that to a man.
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Defense rests.
Verdict: Still no one gives a shit. Unanimous.
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I don't know how old a lot of you are here but I can say from personal experience that in Yate's day there was a LOT of backlash from his 94,96 and 97 "wins". The argument them was the same as it is now......People who look at guys like Ray,Levrone and Wheeler and sctratch their heads wondering how a misshapen blob of muscle like Yates constantly beats them. This is countered by people spouting the company line about Yate's "unreal density" and other variations of that bullshit. Nothing's changed in the past ten years.
"He's missing a bicep."
"Yeah,but look at his back!!!!"
"Yes, that's impressive but he's missing a bicep."
""Pictures don't tell the whole story, his density is unreal!!!!"
"That's wonderful, but now he's missing a bicep AND a tricep."
"Yeah, but he's a true Iron Warrior!!!!!"
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Apparently the case is already being appealed.
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I don't know how old a lot of you are here but I can say from personal experience that in Yate's day there was a LOT of backlash from his 94,96 and 97 "wins". The argument them was the same as it is now......People who look at guys like Ray,Levrone and Wheeler and sctratch their heads wondering how a misshapen blob of muscle like Yates constantly beats them. This is countered by people spouting the company line about Yate's "unreal density" and other variations of that bullshit. Nothing's changed in the past ten years.
"He's missing a bicep."
"Yeah,but look at his back!!!!"
"Yes, that's impressive but he's missing a bicep."
""Pictures don't tell the whole story, his density is unreal!!!!"
"That's wonderful, but now he's missing a bicep AND a tricep."
"Yeah, but he's a true Iron Warrior!!!!!"
torn biceps was only #16 on my list of flaws for the 1994 Yates. Numbers 1 through 15 are still valid ;)
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I agree - I should stop now. ND is the only one who actually thinks that Yates in 1994 was amazing.
Crack can do that to a man.
Don't presume to speak for me , I don't think Yates in 94 was amazing , he looked like garbage especially compared to 93 , and the last time I check Ironaman Magazine isn't a Weider publication and half those quotes are from Ironman ;)
You're the biased one by far , you've made the claim Dorian is the most overrated Mr Olympia ever and I'm mearly pointing out that his stats and win percentage and press all contradict your nonsense , compare that to Coleman who , has had 3 very close calls as Mr Olympia , first contest he won by 3 points , second won by 4 points in 2001 , and in 2002 he won by 9 points , in 2004 he won by just 3 points again , out of eight wins only two were with perfect scores , couple that with losing the S.O.S to Gunther , the last Mr Olympia to lose a contest while a Mr Olympia was Sergio to Arnold in 1970 , and overall Dorian faced a much higher quality feild than Ronnie . and Ronnie's win percentage is just 57% , now you tell me who the overrated Mr Olympia is ;)
I'm not a huge fan of Dorian's physique , when he competed in 91/92 he looked much better , I would have much prefered Flex Wheeler to beat Yates , it didn't happen , but to say Yates is the most overrated Mr Olympia ever is biased and luaghable , it shows you don't know what you're talking about and still have much to learn .
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dorian never clearly lost an olympia like ronnie did in 2001 !
you can bitch all ya like... doz was injured and f'ucked but still trounced the moanin oposition in his 'bad' years.
ronnie was so thoroughly pwned in 2001 he even signalled defeat to the crowd before jay was robbed blind .. how f'uckin sad is that .. the champ onstage admittin defeat !!
and his pityful excuse/facesave afterwards tryin to explain away his 'second place wave' was f'uckin hilarious and downright sad !
Dorian was clearly defeated in the eyes on anyone who values aesthetics. Ronnie didn't lose in 2001 because an argument could be made for him winning the muscularity, posing and posedown rounds. That would have still given him the win.
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not to be a dick but actually the last mr. o to loose a show while he was mr. o was samir when he lost the mr. o in 1984.
I think everyone needs to stop with the "smoking crack" bullshit..ha, ha very funny ronnie came up with a good one now everyone uses it, it ain't funny..it's just fucking lame.
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not to be a dick but actually the last mr. o to loose a show while he was mr. o was samir when he lost the mr. o in 1984.
I think everyone needs to stop with the "smoking crack" bullshit..ha, ha very funny ronnie came up with a good one now everyone uses it, it ain't funny..it's just fucking lame.
I meant a none-Olympia contest
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Dorian was clearly defeated in the eyes on anyone who values aesthetics. Ronnie didn't lose in 2001 because an argument could be made for him winning the muscularity, posing and posedown rounds. That would have still given him the win.
did Ronnie win the muscularity round? If he did that's bullshit, no way no how did he win that round at that show. Posing? I've never seen the tape but if Ronnie outposed Jay...that's pretty bad for Jay, Ronnie is not really a good poser, is he?
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I meant a none-Olympia contest
sorry bout that.
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Don't presume to speak for me , I don't think Yates in 94 was amazing , he looked like garbage especially compared to 93 , and the last time I check Ironaman Magazine isn't a Weider publication and half those quotes are from Ironman ;)
You're the biased one by far , you've made the claim Dorian is the most overrated Mr Olympia ever and I'm mearly pointing out that his stats and win percentage and press all contradict your nonsense , compare that to Coleman who , has had 3 very close calls as Mr Olympia , first contest he won by 3 points , second won by 4 points in 2001 , and in 2002 he won by 9 points , in 2004 he won by just 3 points again , out of eight wins only two were with perfect scores , couple that with losing the S.O.S to Gunther , the last Mr Olympia to lose a contest while a Mr Olympia was Sergio to Arnold in 1970 , and overall Dorian faced a much higher quality feild than Ronnie . and Ronnie's win percentage is just 57% , now you tell me who the overrated Mr Olympia is ;)
I'm not a huge fan of Dorian's physique , when he competed in 91/92 he looked much better , I would have much prefered Flex Wheeler to beat Yates , it didn't happen , but to say Yates is the most overrated Mr Olympia ever is biased and luaghable , it shows you don't know what you're talking about and still have much to learn .
Dorian should have lost for the same reason Ronnie should have. Neither should be winning the symmetry round and it is debatable that they should win the posing or posedown rounds. I know the physique is judged in the posing and posedown rounds, but if the symmetry round were judged reasonably, a case could be made for the winner of that round to possible win the final two rounds, or at least split them with the winner of the muscularity round.
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did Ronnie win the muscularity round? If he did that's bullshit, no way no how did he win that round at that show. Posing? I've never seen the tape but if Ronnie outposed Jay...that's pretty bad for Jay, Ronnie is not really a good poser, is he?
Ronnie didn't win the muscularity round, and he wasn't as muscular that day as Jay was, in my opinion. Him winning the posing round was bullshit. The IFBB claims that the physique is all that is judged during the posing round, and Jay won the muscularity and symmetry rounds, so how did he not win the posing round? The judges claimed he didn't look confident enough. This is why bodybuilding is not a sport. Could you lose a football game after you scored the winning goal/touchdown because you didn't look confident enough doing it? ::)
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ND, use your brain man: the fact that dorian won so often only ADDS STRENGTH to the argument that he was overrated, not detract from it.
If he lost a lot, given his flaws, he wouldn't have been overrated. He would have got what he deserved based on his physique. But he won all the time with some of the most glaring flaws of any Mr. O (arms, quads, taper etc.)
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Blah, blah, blah ...
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Blah, blah, blah ...
Ahhh, dude. That was so weak.
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Sorry, had to be done.
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ND, use your brain man: the fact that dorian won so often only ADDS STRENGTH to the argument that he was overrated, not detract from it.
If he lost a lot, given his flaws, he wouldn't have been overrated. He would have got what he deserved based on his physique. But he won all the time with some of the most glaring flaws of any Mr. O (arms, quads, taper etc.)
Okay let me get this straight , 15 wins out of 17 contests , thats an 88% win rate , he never placed below 2nd in a Pro contest , he raise the bar in 93 and set new standards , dominated among the highest quality feilds of competitors ever , beat the greatest Mr Olympia in the muscularity round in his FIRST Mr Olympia contest , and he is the most overrated Mr Olympia ever? yup I like your logic lol Hulkster for you to say you don't like his physique is fine , for you to say he should have lost in 94 is again fine , to say he was the most overrated of all time just projects how misinformed and clueless you really are , on occasion you have made a few valid points but this isn't one of them , go back to the drawing board and keep working.
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Even the mods can't stand to read this shit anymore. There's still a dude jerkin' off a few posts back.
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Okay let me get this straight , 15 wins out of 17 contests , thats an 88% win rate , he never placed below 2nd in a Pro contest , he raise the bar in 93 and set new standards , dominated among the highest quality feilds of competitors ever , beat the greatest Mr Olympia in the muscularity round in his FIRST Mr Olympia contest , and he is the most overrated Mr Olympia ever? yup I like your logic lol Hulkster for you to say you don't like his physique is fine , for you to say he should have lost in 94 is again fine , to say he was the most overrated of all time just projects how misinformed and clueless you really are , on occasion you have made a few valid points but this isn't one of them , go back to the drawing board and keep working.
Dorian was overrated post tear. He was not as bad pre-tear because he still had both arms and good abs. But his quads always sucked.
Okay, if Dorian post 1994 is not the most overrated Mr. O. ever, then who is?
Certainly not Haney, not Ronnie, not Samir. Maybe Dickerson. I nominate Yates :)
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who gives a shit who you nominate, you are a nobody.
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who gives a shit who you nominate, you are a nobody.
Better to be a nobody than to be a talking GMC truck like yourself. How many miles do you have on you :D?
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but at least I have very good reasons for nominating Yates. I am not some blind Yates follower who sees striations where they don't exist or a classical taper on someone who looks like sack of potatos...
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but at least I have very good reasons for nominating Yates. I am not some blind Yates follower who sees striations where they don't exist or a classical taper on someone who looks like sack of potatos...
Good for you, Coleman looks like a sack of shit too. Watching him do ab and thighs next to flex wheeler (who Dorian held his own with in this pose) just makes me laugh.
Coleman nor Yates were ever aesthetic, even when coleman had his wasp waist. I think Coleman was amazing pre-gut and I still content his all-time best was in 96-97 becuase he had the tiny waist, the rediculous arms, the great back, and his conditioning was superior back then to his mr. olympia days.
But no amount of arguing on this forum will change the fact that Yates won six Sandows against the most stacked lineups in history. Did politics play a role, sure? But ins't that the allure behind the Mr. Olympia contest? If there weren't dynasties, what would separate the Mr. Olympia contest from any other show?
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Question:
If a furry masturbator fell in the forest, but everyone was distracted by a pointless hypothetical debate ...
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Do you guys think Robert E. Lee or Ulysses S. Grant was a better general?
I mean, Grant had resources that Lee didn't... do you think he deserved the wins in 1863 and 64, or was the fix in?
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Do you guys think Robert E. Lee or Ulysses S. Grant was a better general?
I mean, Grant had resources that Lee didn't... do you think he deserved the wins in 1863 and 64, or was the fix in?
Lee was Lincoln's first choice so on paper he was the ' better ' choice but Grant as many historians say was the best General of his age , so I'm with Grant on this one !!
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It's really aesthetics vs. mass---
Lee had more size, but an insulin belly to boot.
(http://www.onlinelittlerock.com/content/historic/photos/robert-e-lee.jpg)
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It's really aesthetics vs. mass---
Lee had more size, but an insulin belly to boot.
(http://www.onlinelittlerock.com/content/historic/photos/robert-e-lee.jpg)
actually grant had more size (closer to six feet and probably weighed more), and lee's insulin belly was not caused by insulin but by a well-documented drinking problem. he was sorta like the Chris Cormier of his day, but only about a million times more successful.
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Lee, like Lee P, holding it down for the small men.
EDIT: actually Grant holding it down for the small men.
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actually grant had more size (closer to six feet and probably weighed more), and lee's insulin belly was not caused by insulin but by a well-documented drinking problem. he was sorta like the Chris Cormier of his day, but only about a million times more successful.
But did Grant ever lose his Palm Pilot, causing the world to believe he was dead for an entire week?
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actually grant had more size (closer to six feet and probably weighed more), and lee's insulin belly was not caused by insulin but by a well-documented drinking problem. he was sorta like the Chris Cormier of his day, but only about a million times more successful.
Robert E Lee was 5'11" and Grant was 5'8" , so Lee had the height advantage but Grant had better balance & proportion , and Honest-Abe smoked them both at 6'4" and in his youth a massive and cut 185lbs and was known as quite the wrestler !!
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Lee, like Lee P, holding it down for the small men.
yeah, but Lee did go a little crazy towards the end...
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But did Grant ever lose his Palm Pilot, causing the world to believe he was dead for an entire week?
I completely flipped them in my last post . . .but it was Grant who did have the drinking problem, and he did have his legendary benders.
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Robert E Lee was 5'11" and Grant was 5'8" , so Lee had the height advantage but Grant had better balance & proportion , and Honest-Abe smoked them both at 6'4" and in his youth a massive and cut 185lbs and was known as quite the wrestler !!
Grant had to compete in the Masters' Division, as he couldn't cut it against his peers. Thanks to his leadership position, he was able to not only win, but also make wagers on his placing with spectators!
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this debate is not working for me, as they did ultimately meet, and Grant pwned Lee--although it came at a tremendous cost to his health.
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Word is, Grant had to retire after the 1865 Olympia and ended up needing a kidney transplant.
That'll teach him to work with Chad Nichols!
but he eventually recovered and became president of the IFBB for a record three terms--and his ability to take fiscal advantage of his position far outshone Ben Weider's.
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At seven feet tall and probably 300 lbs., I think Peter the Great would have pwned both Lee and Grant at any point in time. Now we have a truly hypothetical scenario.
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OK boys the circle jerk is over.
Once again lets not punish Ronnie because he has inferior competition.
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Once again lets not punish Ronnie because he has inferior competition.
true. Ronnie can't help it if he scared everyone away.
After all, we all know yates retired because he knew Ronnie was coming up the ranks 8)
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true. Ronnie can't help it if he scared everyone away.
After all, we all know yates retired because he knew Ronnie was coming up the ranks 8)
I love how all the Yates fans say he could have kept competing and improving ::) All he would have done was torn every muscle in his body until he was a 280 pound lump of rhinoceras dung in 28 cubic feet of plastic wrap.
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true. Ronnie can't help it if he scared everyone away.
After all, we all know yates retired because he knew Ronnie was coming up the ranks 8)
Ron got 9th at the 97 olympia. He may have gotten 5th in 98 if the shadow was competing. Yates would have ruled until whenever he called it quits. Same deal with ronnie now
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Ron got 9th at the 97 olympia. He may have gotten 5th in 98 if the shadow was competing. Yates would have ruled until whenever he called it quits. Same deal with ronnie now
Yates knew Ronnie was going to make improvements. Next year Yates would have showed up on stage with every muscle in his body torn.
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Yates knew Ronnie was going to make improvements. Next year Yates would have showed up on stage with every muscle in his body torn.
doesn't matter. he still would have won. he made ron his little bitch every time they competed
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doesn't matter. he still would have won. he made ron his little bitch every time they competed
With the way the Olympia is judged, he probably would have won. Ronnie did win in 2001, after all ;D
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doesn't matter. he still would have won. he made ron his little bitch every time they competed
thats because they competed before ronnie was his best. a lot of people beat ronnie back in 1992 and never competed with him again, i guess that means alq gurley is better than ronnie too.
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thats because they competed before ronnie was his best. a lot of people beat ronnie back in 1992 and never competed with him again, i guess that means alq gurley is better than ronnie too.
yup, Don't forget that since Zane beat Arnold (when Arnold was in grade 10), Zane would have beaten Arnold no matter when they competed... ::)
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thats because they competed before ronnie was his best. a lot of people beat ronnie back in 1992 and never competed with him again, i guess that means alq gurley is better than ronnie too.
Ronnie in 1992 was nothing compared to what he was in 1997. Even watching the 1995 Mr. Olympia, Ronnie really was no threat to anyone. In 97 however, he was truly near his peak, and his still finished 8 spots behind Yates.
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Ronnie in 1992 was nothing compared to what he was in 1997. Even watching the 1995 Mr. Olympia, Ronnie really was no threat to anyone. In 97 however, he was truly near his peak, and his still finished 8 spots behind Yates.
can you say "overlooked"?
Hell, Ronnie was overlooked in 1998!! Please note that the first callout of the 1998 Olympia DID NOT involve Ronnie. This was the first time that a first callout did not involve the eventual winner in 15 or so years.
if that is not being overooked, then I don't know what is. The judges did not realize how good ronnie looked initially, They didn't even consider him at first.
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I agree he was overlooked
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There's a picture of an olympia around on this board with coleman and yates, you coud clearly see that he was underrated.
Game of the name also played.
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ronnie is in a league of his own...
his muscle density and sepaeraton
jay can never have no matter how big he gets...
when ronnie does a double bi pose look at the lines that seperate his bis to his
tris
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/6xo16.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/colemanimpressivearms.jpg)
its stuff like this that makes him untouchable...
he wont be fully appreciated though
until he retires...
who's gonna take his place... jay culter... martinez...
ha...
nobody is even close...
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Yates would have dominated ronnie! game over! HA!
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Oh yea, ronnie's got a small waist :o
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc202.jpg)
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Oh yea, ronnie's got a small waist :o
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc202.jpg)
how did this sack of shit beat Dexter ???
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looks like he's about to give birth....sack of shit
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2004oly_ian_mropj19.jpg)
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gmc
coleman is offseason there....
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for reference of a narow waiste look at the pics ive posted
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the real Mr. Olympia is on the left...Ronnie's waist must be approaching 40 inches
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2004oly_ian_mro31.jpg)
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gmc
coleman is offseason there....
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for reference of a narow waiste look at the pics ive posted
just quit with the narrow waist bullshit. narrow waist in 96-99 but that was it.
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great V-taper on coleman :o
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2004oly_mt_men84.jpg)
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Dexter has a smaller waiste, let's make him the next Mr. O
I would do the "rolling eye thing" but that is too over used around here.
what the hell ::)
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Dexter has a smaller waiste, let's make him the next Mr. O
I would do the "rolling eye thing" but that is too over used around here.
what the hell ::)
a smaller waist, better conditioning, more symmetrical, and just as complete as coleman....so yea he should have won that show.
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you cant have it both ways..
if you fault dorian for winning the O in his condition, then likewise, you must fault Coleman as well.
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a smaller waist, better conditioning, more symmetrical, and just as complete as coleman....so yea he should have won that show.
Dexter has sticks for calves and an A-taper. His conditioning is at best, a little better. One arm is larger than the other and his quads are never that cut-up. Poor hamstring detail doesn't help either. Not to mention the extra 70 pounds of muscle Coleman has.
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you're talking about calves??? LOL insinuating that Coleman's calves are better :o
Not sure, what an A-taper is, but Dexter's taper is far superior to Coleman's in 2004. Coleman didnt even have a taper with that 45 inch waist.
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you're talking about calves??? LOL insinuating that Coleman's calves are better :o
Not sure, what an A-taper is, but Dexter's taper is far superior to Coleman's in 2004. Coleman didnt even have a taper with that 45 inch waist.
Ronnie has calves too small for his thighs, but they are still big. Dexter has no calves! Dexter torso gets wider as you move from his ribs down to his waist. Ronnie can get away with having a bigger waist than Dexter because he has 70 more pounds of muscle. A Dorian fan should know this ::)
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you cant have it both ways..
if you fault dorian for winning the O in his condition, then likewise, you must fault Coleman as well.
no you don't and here is why:
Coleman in 2004 beat:
Jay
Gunter
Dex
Rhul
Gastavo.
In 1994 Dorian beat:
Kevin Freakin' Levrone
Shawn Fuckin' Ray
Chris Cormier
Paul Dillett
Porter Cottrell (okay, Porter is outclassed here, but still)
slight difference in competition there, would'nt ya say?
Ronnie won against crappy competition in 2004. Dorian won against amazing competition.
ronnie deserved to win given his competition in 2004.
Dorian should have probably been placed THIRD in 1994.
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no you don't and here is why:
Coleman in 2004 beat:
Jay
Gunter
Dex
Rhul
Gastavo.
In 1994 Dorian beat:
Kevin Freakin' Levrone
Shawn Fuckin' Ray
Chris Cormier
Paul Dillett
Porter Cottrell (okay, Porter is outclassed here, but still)
slight difference in competition there, would'nt ya say?
Ronnie won against crappy competition in 2004. Dorian won against amazing competition.
ronnie deserved to win given his competition in 2004.
Dorian should have probably been placed THIRD in 1994.
I have never said Dorian should have won in 1994. I am not an IFBB judge, and I wasn't there, so I can't speculate exactly on what everyone looked like, how they hit the poses, etc. We can get a pretty good idea from the pictures, and I would agree Dorian should have not won, I would have put him second.
In 2004, the competition as a whole was crappy (90s was much tougher) but Dexter brought his A-game and was truly better than Coleman. I think you can correlate Dexter in 2004 to Shawn Ray in 1994.
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I have never said Dorian should have won in 1994. I am not an IFBB judge, and I wasn't there, so I can't speculate exactly on what everyone looked like, how they hit the poses, etc. We can get a pretty good idea from the pictures, and I would agree Dorian should have not won, I would have put him second.
In 2004, the competition as a whole was crappy (90s was much tougher) but Dexter brought his A-game and was truly better than Coleman. I think you can correlate Dexter in 2004 to Shawn Ray in 1994.
No judge has ever said how much better a small man has to be than a big man in order to win. I wish I knew.
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you cant have it both ways..
if you fault dorian for winning the O in his condition, then likewise, you must fault Coleman as well.
Excellent point !!
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Excellent point !!
no it isn't. read my post to see why.
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Ronnie won against crappy competition in 2004. Dorian won against amazing competition.
excellent...you just proved my point about how much better Dorian is than Ronnie bwahahahahaha
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Head: "But the apple, beautifully crimson with a thinner, edible skin, is the superior fruit."
Wall: "No, no, no. A pulpy orb of citrus goodness, the orange clearly reigns supreme."
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excellent...you just proved my point about how much better Dorian is than Ronnie bwahahahahaha
Ronnie is better because he actually recognizes that all praise should be given to God, while Dorian said he won because of his own efforts. ::)
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Ronnie is better because he actually recognizes that all praise should be given to God,
Yes, yes, precisely. Glory to the Father, the Son, and the Human Growth.
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Yes, yes, precisely. Glory to the Father, the Son, and the Human Growth.
Amen brother, I thank God for letting me write this post.