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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Christo on January 30, 2017, 02:20:57 AM
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Hi everybody,
I am an older guy of 45 years old.
my plan was to start with an AAS cycle soon
W1-10
Testosteron Enanthaat 250mg
Primobolan Enanthaat 200 mg
W4-11 HCG 2x 500IU per week
I know that older people do not recover so fast as younger people therefore i am thinking to take only test 250mg per week combined with 200 mg primo.
In Belgium people say that it is important to have always a good balance between Estrogen/Androgen levels in your blood to avoid side effects, therefore i added a little primo to the testosterone
What do you guys think of this?
Thanks
Christo
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Sounds good and safe Jesus.
If you use legit pharmacy hormones is more than enough to gain muscle while losing fat
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Sounds good and safe Jesus.
If you use legit pharmacy hormones is more than enough to gain muscle while losing fat
Thanks Falco,
Or is it better to up the testosterone to 500mg?
What do you think about the ratio Androgen/Estrogen? is that "Belgium" Theory overrated?
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If thats your first cycle its enough to give you dramatic results.
But at your age i would just stay on a TRT dose of test and not do PCT. Your choice tho.
Also have an AI on hand just in case.
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I think that 250 of test a week is a waste of time. 500 is the sweet spot.
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Thanks Falco,
Or is it better to up the testosterone to 500mg?
What do you think about the ratio Androgen/Estrogen? is that "Belgium" Theory overrated?
If you want heath i would not recomend more test. Prostate and heart enlargement are two things to avoid at your age. If you don't get results on the previous dose (pharmacheutical grade hormones), then bodybuilding isn't for you.
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Just go for low Androgens high Anabolics.
The ideal thing would be to putyour body on puberty levels of Test and DHT then add anabolics.
250-300 TestE + 350 Masteron + 350 Proviron, will put you Test and DHTs at puberty levels, on top of that add your anabolic of choice.
If you choose PrimoE and it's UGL i would go for 700mg, if you can get pharma grade stuff 4-500mg. (Primobolan from Turkey).
A cycle that i liked a lot was 300 TestE 300 TrenH Eq Primo.
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You are giving him completely wrong advices. And these can cause health problems. He is 45. He only needs to take 500mg test with 6iu GH THATS ALL. JUST LİKE STALLONE. Its too late for him to blast in this age. We have seen kovacs nasser doing this shit and they all death with a palumbo gut. RIP for them I also loved both. Seen total 12 mr olmypia contenders and can easily say nasser and kovacs is the biggest in all of them. When I saw sonny with nasser sonny looked like his younger 12 years old brother .)) İn photos people always seemed smaller.But when I saw nasser I was amazed how big he was. His forearms was were huge . Biceps is like a sythol depot. But his chest was amazing really amazing. His back was very very watery but still amazingly huge. The only thing his bones arent that thick . But he has a extremly round shape and bulkness. I never talked about steroids with him. He only said dont do that If you want to be peacefull If you want to be normal. We are a litlle crazy he said. He also said everyone wants to have a physique like us but I always embrassed in society because of this weird insane size. We talked a lot about bodybuilding he always gived me healty advices. He said ıf your goal was getting chicks and being a handsome guy dont be like us. Just train without roids just eat healthier just eat a lot. Just be ambious. Our jobs is not getting chicks and being rich getting luxury cars he said. All we do is listening our ego and getting our name in history thats his last words to me when I saw him in july 2000. I only saw him once. He talked very deeply with me a little emotional. He said there is no return in this life wasting professional bodybuilding. We also talked about other things he knows 4 languages total. And we also talked really much about soccer. His biggest fun was watching soccer matches in his free time. He always got very emotional when he saw young guys taking roids and wanting advices from him. His heart problems was already started in 1998 he clearly known his health statue. When I asked him other bodybuilders in his genaration he said the are all fake friends the are all egoistic people.I said this to them face to face. The only real friend I had was milos buut he sold himself out. I always said him not try to fuck every women you meet. Be respectfull to all people but milos never listened to me continued doing drugs continuing cheating continiued to spend lots of money to unneccesary thing. SO I never talked with milos again nasser said. I liked nasser so much when I met him. Because he was a very intelligent and emotional guy . I was so sad when he died in 2013. I also asked him some deep secretfull questions he never answered these. Like doses juires in mr olmypia and his politics ideology. As for sonny he was very very quiet guy. Just smiled to me when smoking his cigarettes. So in conculusion you are 45 very late. Just do 500mg test and 6iu gh just that. Never do anything different. Some people in his forum thinking I am lieing or I am a seller. I just send them to their remorse. Just read my post again and again with your heart and decide what you gonna take ....
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NO TREN NO MAST NO BOLDENON NO WİNSTROL. NO SLİN ıf you love your life. JUST DO 500MG TEST 6İU GH. THATS all do them forever and you will be like an hollwood actor. Giving these advices with my heart. 45 YEARS İS OLD TOO OLD TO HANDLE DİRTY HAİR LOSSİNG KİDNEY FUCKİNG HDL LOWİNG ANXİETY GİVİNG DRUGS. just 500mg test 6iu gh ıf not you will be ill.
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AND I want from everyone to not to give older people wrong advices. Give these advices to 20-35 years old. Not to 45.
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You are giving him completely wrong advices. And these can cause health problems. He is 45. He only needs to take 500mg test with 6iu GH THATS ALL. JUST LİKE STALLONE. Its too late for him to blast in this age. We have seen kovacs nasser doing this shit and they all death with a palumbo gut. RIP for them I also loved both. Seen total 12 mr olmypia contenders and can easily say nasser and kovacs is the biggest in all of them. When I saw sonny with nasser sonny looked like his younger 12 years old brother .)) İn photos people always seemed smaller.But when I saw nasser I was amazed how big he was. His forearms was were huge . Biceps is like a sythol depot. But his chest was amazing really amazing. His back was very very watery but still amazingly huge. The only thing his bones arent that thick . But he has a extremly round shape and bulkness. I never talked about steroids with him. He only said dont do that If you want to be peacefull If you want to be normal. We are a litlle crazy he said. He also said everyone wants to have a physique like us but I always embrassed in society because of this weird insane size. We talked a lot about bodybuilding he always gived me healty advices. He said ıf your goal was getting chicks and being a handsome guy dont be like us. Just train without roids just eat healthier just eat a lot. Just be ambious. Our jobs is not getting chicks and being rich getting luxury cars he said. All we do is listening our ego and getting our name in history thats his last words to me when I saw him in july 2000. I only saw him once. He talked very deeply with me a little emotional. He said there is no return in this life wasting professional bodybuilding. We also talked about other things he knows 4 languages total. And we also talked really much about soccer. His biggest fun was watching soccer matches in his free time. He always got very emotional when he saw young guys taking roids and wanting advices from him. His heart problems was already started in 1998 he clearly known his health statue. When I asked him other bodybuilders in his genaration he said the are all fake friends the are all egoistic people.I said this to them face to face. The only real friend I had was milos buut he sold himself out. I always said him not try to fuck every women you meet. Be respectfull to all people but milos never listened to me continued doing drugs continuing cheating continiued to spend lots of money to unneccesary thing. SO I never talked with milos again nasser said. I liked nasser so much when I met him. Because he was a very intelligent and emotional guy . I was so sad when he died in 2013. I also asked him some deep secretfull questions he never answered these. Like doses juires in mr olmypia and his politics ideology. As for sonny he was very very quiet guy. Just smiled to me when smoking his cigarettes. So in conculusion you are 45 very late. Just do 500mg test and 6iu gh just that. Never do anything different. Some people in his forum thinking I am lieing or I am a seller. I just send them to their remorse. Just read my post again and again with your heart and decide what you gonna take ....
Thanks. i appreciate your post. But GH i cannot effort and i dont want taking that.
Maybe 2 times a year a short cycle of 6-8 weeks with only a little test 250mg will do wonders.
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NO TREN NO MAST NO BOLDENON NO WİNSTROL. NO SLİN ıf you love your life. JUST DO 500MG TEST 6İU GH. THATS all do them forever and you will be like an hollwood actor. Giving these advices with my heart. 45 YEARS İS OLD TOO OLD TO HANDLE DİRTY HAİR LOSSİNG KİDNEY FUCKİNG HDL LOWİNG ANXİETY GİVİNG DRUGS. just 500mg test 6iu gh ıf not you will be ill.
Thanks i believe you but i dont want to use GH. and 500 mg Test i think is too much for me.
When i used test 250 mg with 200 mg primobolan my belly/stomach blew up. Only my belly/stomach blew up that is strange? isin't? waterrentention? why only in my belly and not my face or breast? Strange...
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I think not from drugs you may used to drink much cola alchole or eaten too gassy things ? That low doses cant add that size you are talking about in very short time.. I think you gotten belly fat from other issiues. Maybe you can try 250mg test 200 deca ? IF you are senstive. Also it will be cheaper..
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Low dose test/primo or test/var or test/bold would be super duper. try all three and see which does what.
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I think not from drugs you may used to drink much cola alchole or eaten too gassy things ? That low doses cant add that size you are talking about in very short time.. I think you gotten belly fat from other issiues. Maybe you can try 250mg test 200 deca ? IF you are senstive. Also it will be cheaper..
Canberk i know you have more experience than me, but if he wants to get results, he can achieve them just by pushing his body into puberty levels.
300 TestE will do the trick but he will miss the DHT, since i don't think he can get easy Stanolone, the only thing he can do is stacking 2 similar DHTS, Masteron and Proviron can do the job. Then he will need also to trick thyroid, hgh and igf-1 but it will be even more expensive.
I would run this year long: 300 TestE 300 MastE 350 Proviron(skip that if costs too much) ew + 2 IU hgh Pharma grade 7/7.
If you have hair loss issues etc etc, DHTs sides in general, Masteron and all DHTs aren't a good thing to keep in.
Add some Deca at low dose for joints relief 150-200 Deca and a little anabolic kick.
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Pizza your last advice is good can be done because of anciallaries. Its safe. Its safe because of proviron hcg etc. 300mg mast 300 mg test can be done ıf he follows your anciallaries.
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I think not from drugs you may used to drink much cola alchole or eaten too gassy things ? That low doses cant add that size you are talking about in very short time.. I think you gotten belly fat from other issiues. Maybe you can try 250mg test 200 deca ? IF you are senstive. Also it will be cheaper..
No i ate always very clean. you know what happend? in the 3th day my belly already swole.. very very strange.
With test 250 mg plus primo 200 i gained in 7 weeks. 6 kg and when i quite i lost 4 kg of water.. very strange..
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Canberk i know you have more experience than me, but if he wants to get results, he can achieve them just by pushing his body into puberty levels.
300 TestE will do the trick but he will miss the DHT, since i don't think he can get easy Stanolone, the only thing he can do is stacking 2 similar DHTS, Masteron and Proviron can do the job. Then he will need also to trick thyroid, hgh and igf-1 but it will be even more expensive.
I would run this year long: 300 TestE 300 MastE 350 Proviron(skip that if costs too much) ew + 2 IU hgh Pharma grade 7/7.
If you have hair loss issues etc etc, DHTs sides in general, Masteron and all DHTs aren't a good thing to keep in.
Add some Deca at low dose for joints relief 150-200 Deca and a little anabolic kick.
Thanks mate but i want to keep it simple and easy :)
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When the next time i will have also "belly water retention" is it a good idea to add proviron 25 mg per day?
Thanks again guys!
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Proviron will quikly worsen your age related benign prostate enlargement. Do not take advice from kids and dealers, because they do not have a clue about the differences between how a young vs an older body reacts to specific hormones.
If you are getting water retention you should cut the dose, otherwise you will stress your 45yo kidneys.
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Proviron will quikly worsen your age related benign prostate enlargement. Do not take advice from kids and dealers, because they do not have a clue about the differences between how a young vs an older body reacts to specific hormones.
If you are getting water retention you should cut the dose, otherwise you will stress your 45yo kidneys.
Falco, what do u think is the safest way to use hormones for an older guy? I cycle but I hate Pct , feel like shit only to get back on in 3-4 months then do it all again. Do you think 100 mg test TRT and blast twice a year with maybe nandrolone and oxandrolone? The reasons I list those are is that they can be legally obtained
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You're doing more harm by coming off and doing PCT than you are by staying on. As long as your blood work is normal there is no need to come off anything. Take 200-300 mg of test per week, then cycle other drugs in and out if you want. Otherwise just use that dose of test all the time. Use more if your blood work is good. I've taken 500mg of test per week for years and blood work is always perfectly normal, and that's with cycling other drugs in and out as well.
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You're doing more harm by coming off and doing PCT than you are by staying on. As long as your blood work is normal there is no need to come off anything. Take 200-300 mg of test per week, then cycle other drugs in and out if you want. Otherwise just use that dose of test all the time. Use more if your blood work is good. I've taken 500mg of test per week for years and blood work is always perfectly normal, and that's with cycling other drugs in and out as well.
I think this is true. I'm going to see an endo on Thursday and if she gives me the green light, I'm going on 100 MG a week and blast PRN! Lol
Kind of excited.
I read a lot about androgen deprivation for prostate cancer (similar to Pct) and they have a 2 fold increase in cardiac events. So I take that as evidence Pct is bad for you.
On a side note, lilhawk, u run hcg with ur TRT?
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Proviron will quikly worsen your age related benign prostate enlargement. Do not take advice from kids and dealers, because they do not have a clue about the differences between how a young vs an older body reacts to specific hormones.
If you are getting water retention you should cut the dose, otherwise you will stress your 45yo kidneys.
Thanks Falco. Maybe an option to go a little higher with primo to avoid waterretention?
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primo is the most fakes steroid ever
i would never buy it for this simple reason, no matter how good the ugl source is.
since you are old id suggest to stay under 400/500mg which you do.
17 year long studie, 84000 men above 50.
trt dose test
26% less heart attacks
34% less seaures
52% less mortality rate or something like that
id say
250 test
100 deca
100 eq
maybe a miniscule dose of an ai.
if you wanna buy ANY hgh.
ONLY pharma hgh.
1IU IS PLENTY ARE YOUR AGE, unless you wanna be BIG, which i assume you dont want looking at your dose.
look at frank zane at an old age.
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Just make sure you use hcg through the cycle and have a great pct. At 45 i'd personally think the risk of lowering your natural testosterone is not worth the benefits of one cycle but thats just me.
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primo is the most fakes steroid ever
i would never buy it for this simple reason, no matter how good the ugl source is.
since you are old id suggest to stay under 400/500mg which you do.
17 year long studie, 84000 men above 50.
trt dose test
26% less heart attacks
34% less seaures
52% less mortality rate or something like that
id say
250 test
100 deca
100 eq
maybe a miniscule dose of an ai.
if you wanna buy ANY hgh.
ONLY pharma hgh.
1IU IS PLENTY ARE YOUR AGE, unless you wanna be BIG, which i assume you dont want looking at your dose.
look at frank zane at an old age.
I like the sound of this!
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Just make sure you use hcg through the cycle and have a great pct. At 45 i'd personally think the risk of lowering your natural testosterone is not worth the benefits of one cycle but thats just me.
Christo never stated that he was interested in HRT. He simply stated he would like to experiment with a cycle. Could end up being his first and only...OR...could cause a shift in lifestyle choices and tip him over to the dark side. Only he will know for sure. It's a bit soon to start recommending lifelong TRT.
A nice newbie cycle has always been 500mg test and 300mg deca per week, for about 12-16 weeks. Whether he is 25 yrs old or 45 yrs old, he'll see results. My guess is he will feel fucking g r e a t. He's never done a cycle before, so God knows he's probably healthier than many of the 30 year old gear heads who are already taxing their young livers, hearts and kidneys to the max.
That said, he may be a little slower to recover, for sure. I would suggest 300-500 i.u. hcg every 5 days throughout the entire cycle and I'd personally run A-dex as well, with a run-over into PCT for about a month. He'll luv it, and we will hear from him again in 3 months or so when he asks what his NEXT cycle should be ;D
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Christo never stated that he was interested in HRT. He simply stated he would like to experiment with a cycle. Could end up being his first and only...OR...could cause a shift in lifestyle choices and tip him over to the dark side. Only he will know for sure. It's a bit soon to start recommending lifelong TRT.
A nice newbie cycle has always been 500mg test and 300mg deca per week, for about 12-16 weeks. Whether he is 25 yrs old or 45 yrs old, he'll see results. My guess is he will feel fucking g r e a t. He's never done a cycle before, so God knows he's probably healthier than many of the 30 year old gear heads who are already taxing their young livers, hearts and kidneys to the max.
That said, he may be a little slower to recover, for sure. I would suggest 300-500 i.u. hcg every 5 days throughout the entire cycle and I'd personally run A-dex as well, with a run-over into PCT for about a month. He'll luv it, and we will hear from him again in 3 months or so when he asks what his NEXT cycle should be ;D
Hi,
Thanks for all you comments and advice,
I have already done 2 "cycles" My weight is at the moment approx 97kg with BF 17-18%
-first cycle was 2.5 years ago.
Anavar only 30 mg per day (6 weeks)
My body looked better, more defined. After i quited my definition became less again. I gained 2 kg muscle in total. No side effects.
No PCT
-Second cycle was 1 year ago.
Test 250 plus Primo 200 (7 weeks) PCT Clomifene 10 days 50 mg per day and after that 10 days 25 mg.
I gained 6 kg but lost 4 kg's.
I was quite bigger during the cycle but my belly blew up, the rest of my body didnt blew up with water. Very strange??!!
No side effects.
Now i am thinking to start soon with the following:
Test 250 plus primo 300 ( 8 weeks)
HCG in case if my balls will shrink.
What do you guys think about this?
My health is very important and i dont want to go on trt yet (lifetime injecting)
I want some progress, nothing more, without feeling shitty.
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Hi,
Thanks for all you comments and advice,
I have already done 2 "cycles" My weight is at the moment approx 97kg with BF 17-18%
-first cycle was 2.5 years ago.
Anavar only 30 mg per day (6 weeks)
My body looked better, more defined. After i quited my definition became less again. I gained 2 kg muscle in total. No side effects.
No PCT
-Second cycle was 1 year ago.
Test 250 plus Primo 200 (7 weeks) PCT Clomifene 10 days 50 mg per day and after that 10 days 25 mg.
I gained 6 kg but lost 4 kg's.
I was quite bigger during the cycle but my belly blew up, the rest of my body didnt blew up with water. Very strange??!!
No side effects.
Now i am thinking to start soon with the following:
Test 250 plus primo 300 ( 8 weeks)
HCG in case if my balls will shrink.
What do you guys think about this?
My health is very important and i dont want to go on trt yet (lifetime injecting)
I want some progress, nothing more, without feeling shitty.
Anavar 30mg per day for 6 weeks is not a cycle. So lets call this upcoming one your second.
Your second cycle looks a lot like your first with the only change being an extra 100mg per week Primo, and you implied that you were disappointed in the belly bloat that seemed to be associated with it.
I would try the "newbie" cycle I listed:
Test 500mg per week
Deca 300mg per week
hcg throughout, 300-500i.u. every 5 days or so.
Keep an anti-e on hand if you feel like you need it. I'm partial to Arimidex, and I get mine from ag-guys.com (A-Dex)--works great every time.
16 weeks total.
You'll love it.
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Anavar 30mg per day for 6 weeks is not a cycle. So lets call this upcoming one your second.
Your second cycle looks a lot like your first with the only change being an extra 100mg per week Primo, and you implied that you were disappointed in the belly bloat that seemed to be associated with it.
I would try the "newbie" cycle I listed:
Test 500mg per week
Deca 300mg per week
hcg throughout, 300-500i.u. every 5 days or so.
Keep an anti-e on hand if you feel like you need it. I'm partial to Arimidex, and I get mine from ag-guys.com (A-Dex)--works great every time.
16 weeks total.
You'll love it.
Thanks man. Do you not think my belly will blow more with test and deca? my bodyfat = 18%
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Thanks man. Do you not think my belly will blow more with test and deca? my bodyfat = 18%
I do not think so.
Also consider perhaps other etiologies for your bloat. Was it only during that cycle, and how did your diet change when you were on? A lot of guys really amp up their eating when they are on, and may introduce other sources of bloat during that time.
Examine your diet closely.
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I do not think so.
Also consider perhaps other etiologies for your bloat. Was it only during that cycle, and how did your diet change when you were on? A lot of guys really amp up their eating when they are on, and may introduce other sources of bloat during that time.
Examine your diet closely.
Well, people say in general, that if your bodyfat is too high, you are more sensible for estrogen (so waterretention) Maybe this was a factor.
I only add a little more kcals during the cycle. (1 banana and an extra protein shake on water per day).
Can it be that my kidneys are not working well?
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Only way to answer that is to get a BUN/Cr study done. it's easy and cheap and would answer that question.
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Anavar 30mg per day for 6 weeks is not a cycle. So lets call this upcoming one your second.
Your second cycle looks a lot like your first with the only change being an extra 100mg per week Primo, and you implied that you were disappointed in the belly bloat that seemed to be associated with it.
I would try the "newbie" cycle I listed:
Test 500mg per week
Deca 300mg per week
hcg throughout, 300-500i.u. every 5 days or so.
Keep an anti-e on hand if you feel like you need it. I'm partial to Arimidex, and I get mine from ag-guys.com (A-Dex)--works great every time.
16 weeks total.
You'll love it.
Wouldn't NPP be better for cycling than deca? Given that deca takes a long time to build up and clear out
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I am searching to real legit Primobolan Depot but it is very hard to find it. Most of the times you'll will get Masteron Enanthaat.
I am thing about the following now;
Test E 375 mg per week
Masteron E 200 mg per week
8-10 weeks.
Good to go in my case?
Thanks in advance
I have shoulder pain. The pain is coming from my front schoulder/neck
Maybe add 100 mg deca per week?
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I am searching to real legit Primobolan Depot but it is very hard to find it. Most of the times you'll will get Masteron Enanthaat.
I am thing about the following now;
Test E 375 mg per week
Masteron E 200 mg per week
8-10 weeks.
Good to go in my case?
Thanks in advance
I have shoulder pain. The pain is coming from my front schoulder/neck
Maybe add 100 mg deca per week?
I would just up the test to 500, so much safer... mast is very hard on the hair. I love deca but I would stay away from it I cycled. 10 weeks after my last deca cycle my LH was zero and TT 17, and that was with an aggressive pct
I'm on trt now mainly in part to nandrolone I believe
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I would just up the test to 500, so much safer... mast is very hard on the hair. I love deca but I would stay away from it I cycled. 10 weeks after my last deca cycle my LH was zero and TT 17, and that was with an aggressive pct
I'm on trt now mainly in part to nandrolone I believe
yeah i am doubing about the deca. i am 45 years old and i have joint schoulder pain. maybe a little deca will help?
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Havent read any of this, but id say dont even bother with other anabolics until/unless your test dose is sufficient.
Youd be better off alternating trt doses of maybe 100-150/week (150 is 50mg over what typical dr supervised hrt is) with 2-4iu gh.. Then doing a "blast" of 500mg test/wk and maintain the gh dose.
Maybe...
8-10weeks
150mg cyp per week
2iu gh 2x/day
50mcg t4 am
10mg aromasin am
1mg dutasteride am
8-10weeks
250mg cyp 2x/wk
2iu gh 2x/day, maybe add 2iu to the 2nd dose
50mcg t4 am
15mg aromasin am
1mg dutasteride am
Dont think id use any dht derivatives... Maybe proviron at 25mg 2x/day during a "blast" period. And maybe 25mg 1xnon a cruise period (or none at all). Only reason would benfor increasing free test by decreasing shbg. Tren and winstrol both do this as well.
Wouldnt bother with deca because of cardio issues. Maybe add a 100mg dose of NPP (not deca) with your two cyp shots.
Check your blood sugar because of the hgh. May need to add insulin. Adding insulin wont make you diabetic. Itll prevent you from becoming diabetic.
Check your e2 and prostate #s.
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Havent read any of this, but id say dont even bother with other anabolics until/unless your test dose is sufficient.
Youd be better off alternating trt doses of maybe 100-150/week (150 is 50mg over what typical dr supervised hrt is) with 2-4iu gh.. Then doing a "blast" of 500mg test/wk and maintain the gh dose.
Maybe...
8-10weeks
150mg cyp per week
2iu gh 2x/day
50mcg t4 am
10mg aromasin am
1mg dutasteride am
8-10weeks
250mg cyp 2x/wk
2iu gh 2x/day, maybe add 2iu to the 2nd dose
50mcg t4 am
15mg aromasin am
1mg dutasteride am
Dont think id use any dht derivatives... Maybe proviron at 25mg 2x/day during a "blast" period. And maybe 25mg 1xnon a cruise period (or none at all). Only reason would benfor increasing free test by decreasing shbg. Tren and winstrol both do this as well.
Wouldnt bother with deca because of cardio issues. Maybe add a 100mg dose of NPP (not deca) with your two cyp shots.
Check your blood sugar because of the hgh. May need to add insulin. Adding insulin wont make you diabetic. Itll prevent you from becoming diabetic.
Check your e2 and prostate #s.
Would you blast(500mgs/wk) first, then cruise(150mgs/wk)?
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Would you blast(500mgs/wk) first, then cruise(150mgs/wk)?
Doesnt really matter. Past a certian age i assume the guy has accepted he's gonna be on hrt for the rest of his life. "Blast" until they dont feel like it anymore. Just making up #'s here but a guy could cruise at 225bs at 12% & go on cycle a lil and hit 235/240 @ 7-8% and continue that long as its satisfying for him and long as his heart/kidneys are ok with it.
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Havent read any of this, but id say dont even bother with other anabolics until/unless your test dose is sufficient.
Youd be better off alternating trt doses of maybe 100-150/week (150 is 50mg over what typical dr supervised hrt is) with 2-4iu gh.. Then doing a "blast" of 500mg test/wk and maintain the gh dose.
Maybe...
8-10weeks
150mg cyp per week
2iu gh 2x/day
50mcg t4 am
10mg aromasin am
1mg dutasteride am
8-10weeks
250mg cyp 2x/wk
2iu gh 2x/day, maybe add 2iu to the 2nd dose
50mcg t4 am
15mg aromasin am
1mg dutasteride am
Dont think id use any dht derivatives... Maybe proviron at 25mg 2x/day during a "blast" period. And maybe 25mg 1xnon a cruise period (or none at all). Only reason would benfor increasing free test by decreasing shbg. Tren and winstrol both do this as well.
Wouldnt bother with deca because of cardio issues. Maybe add a 100mg dose of NPP (not deca) with your two cyp shots.
Check your blood sugar because of the hgh. May need to add insulin. Adding insulin wont make you diabetic. Itll prevent you from becoming diabetic.
Check your e2 and prostate #s.
Why wouldn't you touch deca? What cardiac issues?
I'm in trt and do 2 blasts a year. One is bulking with test and deca, x 14 weeks, the second is a cut of prop and anavar for 6 weeks. So that's only 20 weeks on, and 32 weeks off (or on trt).
IMO that's safer than running T4, Hgh and insulin... I personally wouldn't touch any of those 3 other than hgh, legit from a pharmacy but I'm not paying 1500 a month for that. I would be worried about leukemia or lymphoma etc... I remember a study on children using it for height issues found those kids who used Hgh had twice the rate of leukemia. That's scary shit.
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Why wouldn't you touch deca? What cardiac issues?
I'm in trt and do 2 blasts a year. One is bulking with test and deca, x 14 weeks, the second is a cut of prop and anavar for 6 weeks. So that's only 20 weeks on, and 32 weeks off (or on trt).
IMO that's safer than running T4, Hgh and insulin... I personally wouldn't touch any of those 3 other than hgh, legit from a pharmacy but I'm not paying 1500 a month for that. I would be worried about leukemia or lymphoma etc... I remember a study on children using it for height issues found those kids who used Hgh had twice the rate of leukemia. That's scary shit.
Regular deca takes too long and seems you need more see worthwhile results. Npp i suppose is fine. I just figured for an older guy id keep it simple. Maybe a 200mg shot of npp twice a week with the test injections. Im not worried much about the gh, & with the gh you may need insulin to control blood sugar. Like i said, its safer to use insulin with gh than to use gh w/o insulin.