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Title: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: loco on March 22, 2017, 12:25:01 PM
The chairman of the House intelligence committee said Wednesday that the communications of Trump transition officials — possibly including President Donald Trump himself — may have been "monitored" after the election as part of an "incidental collection."

Speaking to reporters on Capitol Hill, Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., said the intercepted communications do not appear to be related to the ongoing FBI investigation into Trump associates' contacts with Russia. He said he believes the intelligence collections were done legally.

The White House said Nunes would brief Trump on the matter later Wednesday.

It was unclear whether Trump's own communications were specifically monitored. Nunes initially said "yes" when asked if Trump was among those swept up in the intelligence monitoring, but then said it was only "possible" that the president's communications were picked up.

Nunes said the information on the Trump team was collected in November, December and January, the period after the election in which Trump was holding calls with foreign leaders, interviewing Cabinet secretaries, and was beginning to sketch out administration policy. Nunes said the monitored material was "widely disseminated" in intelligence reports.

Asked whether he believed the transition team had been spied on, Nunes said: "It all depends on one's definition of spying."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-lawmaker-trump-communications-may-monitored-172317705--politics.html
Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: Dos Equis on March 22, 2017, 01:26:43 PM
The plot sickens . . . .
Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: Yamcha on March 22, 2017, 01:45:26 PM
REPORTER: “Do you believe the President appropriately used the word 'wiretapping?' Was it used correctly in his tweets, based on the information that you have seen?”
NUNES: “I think the wiretapping, if you use it generally like the President has said, he clearly used it differently than what I think a lot of people took it which was did Obama actually wiretap the Trump Tower, which we know didn’t happen. I think the President has been pretty clear on that.”
REPORTER: “But the physical act of the wiretapping, do you see anything —“
NUNES: “No, and I said that on day two.”
REPORTER: “Can you rule out the possibility that senior Obama Administration officials were involved in this?”
NUNES: “No, I cannot.”
Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: Straw Man on March 22, 2017, 01:49:06 PM
REPORTER: “Do you believe the President appropriately used the word 'wiretapping?' Was it used correctly in his tweets, based on the information that you have seen?”
NUNES: “I think the wiretapping, if you use it generally like the President has said, he clearly used it differently than what I think a lot of people took it which was did Obama actually wiretap the Trump Tower, which we know didn’t happen. I think the President has been pretty clear on that.”
REPORTER: “But the physical act of the wiretapping, do you see anything —“
NUNES: “No, and I said that on day two.”
REPORTER: “Can you rule out the possibility that senior Obama Administration officials were involved in this?”
NUNES: “No, I cannot.”


big deal

I can't rule out that Obama was not involved with alien bases on the dark side of the moon

these kind of comments are meaningless

Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: mazrim on March 22, 2017, 01:50:59 PM
REPORTER: “Do you believe the President appropriately used the word 'wiretapping?' Was it used correctly in his tweets, based on the information that you have seen?”
NUNES: “I think the wiretapping, if you use it generally like the President has said, he clearly used it differently than what I think a lot of people took it which was did Obama actually wiretap the Trump Tower, which we know didn’t happen. I think the President has been pretty clear on that.”
REPORTER: “But the physical act of the wiretapping, do you see anything —“
NUNES: “No, and I said that on day two.”
REPORTER: “Can you rule out the possibility that senior Obama Administration officials were involved in this?”
NUNES: “No, I cannot.”

Haha, the reporter trying to make a big deal over semantics. It was a given that he meant sureveillance the whole time and they are being exposed again it looks like.
Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: Yamcha on March 22, 2017, 01:54:03 PM


I can't rule out that Obama was not involved with alien bases on the dark side of the moon



might want to take off your tin foil hat then...
Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: Nick Danger on March 22, 2017, 02:19:17 PM
1- Nunes said that the investigation info was collected legally... shouldn't those in question be worried?

2- Nunes didn't share the information with the rest of the committee, he took the info to those who are under investigation.

3-Is Nunes fit to lead this investigation?
Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: mazrim on March 22, 2017, 02:26:54 PM
1- Nunes said that the investigation info was collected legally... shouldn't those in question be worried?

2- Nunes didn't share the information with the rest of the committee, he took the info to those who are under investigation.

3-Is Nunes fit to lead this investigation?
Yep, start with the horrid attempt of trying to delegitimize only to be embarrassed again. Classic liberal technique.
Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: Nick Danger on March 22, 2017, 02:31:15 PM
Yep, start with the horrid attempt of trying to delegitimize only to be embarrassed again. Classic liberal technique.

Nunes said that the investigation info was collected legally... shouldn't those in question be worried?

Nunes didn't share the information with the rest of the committee, he took the info to those who are under investigation.

Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: Yamcha on March 22, 2017, 02:33:19 PM
1- Nunes said that the investigation info was collected legally... shouldn't those in question be worried?

2- Nunes didn't share the information with the rest of the committee, he took the info to those who are under investigation.

3-Is Nunes fit to lead this investigation?

He, and the committee, were tasked to perform this investigation. He is the head of the committee, he was given the info with the cooperation of the NSA he briefed the Speaker and then the President.


The DOZENS of reports aren't going anywhere.  :D
Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: Nick Danger on March 22, 2017, 02:36:57 PM
He is the head of the committee, he was given the info with the cooperation of the NSA he briefed the Speaker and then the President.


That is my question, is it protocol to give the information to those under investigation?
Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: Yamcha on March 22, 2017, 02:38:21 PM
That is my question, is it protocol to give the information to those under investigation?

This is Trump's investigation?

You are thinking of the Russian ties investigation that the FBI is conducting; completely different thing.
Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: Nick Danger on March 22, 2017, 02:41:54 PM
This is Trump's investigation?

You are thinking of the Russian ties investigation that the FBI is conducting; completely different thing.

Got it thanks.
Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: loco on March 22, 2017, 02:45:12 PM
Nunes said that the investigation info was collected legally

He said he believes the intelligence collections were done legally.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-lawmaker-trump-communications-may-monitored-172317705--politics.html
Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: Yamcha on March 22, 2017, 02:47:12 PM
Some of the communications picked up were Trump transition officials talking about Trump's family, and shared widely within the Intelligence Communities, Intel source says

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/844648671711035395 (https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/844648671711035395)

Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: Dos Equis on March 22, 2017, 02:48:52 PM
Even though this somewhat vindicates Trump's claim, I still think he should have kept his mouth shut until he had proof he could share with everyone. 
Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: Yamcha on March 22, 2017, 02:54:05 PM
Even though this somewhat vindicates Trump's claim, I still think he should have kept his mouth shut until he had proof he could share with everyone.  

Yeah...

I don't like how the evidence being presented now is being called "incidentally collected"
That just lets our Intelligence Community, and others, off the hook for their abuse of power

EDIT: Kinda like the IRS "incidentally" targeted conservatives
Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: Straw Man on March 22, 2017, 02:58:11 PM
Adam Schiff (co-chair of House Investigation with Devin Nunes) just said on MSNBC that he has seen "more than circumstantial evidence" of collusion between Trump campaign and the Russians

BTW - Devin Nunes was part of the Trump transition team

Today Nunes just destroyed his own credibility  
Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: Yamcha on March 22, 2017, 03:01:29 PM
Adam Schiff (co-chair of House Investigation with Devin Nunes) just said on MSNBC that he has seen "more than circumstantial evidence" of collusion between Trump campaign and the Russians

BTW - Devin Nunes was part of the Trump transition team

Today Nunes just destroyed his own credibility  


FBI Trump/Russia Investigation isn't the Nunes led investigation though  ???
Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: HockeyFightFan on March 22, 2017, 03:07:23 PM
Adam Schiff (co-chair of House Investigation with Devin Nunes) just said on MSNBC that he has seen "more than circumstantial evidence" of collusion between Trump campaign and the Russians

BTW - Devin Nunes was part of the Trump transition team

Today Nunes just destroyed his own credibility  

Just post under your 240 Or Bust account you coward
Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: Dos Equis on March 22, 2017, 03:13:29 PM
Yeah...

I don't like how the evidence being presented now is being called "incidentally collected"
That just lets our Intelligence Community, and others, off the hook for their abuse of power

EDIT: Kinda like the IRS "incidentally" targeted conservatives

The whole thing stinks. 
Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: Straw Man on March 22, 2017, 03:28:44 PM
Just post under your 240 Or Bust account you coward

I'm not 240 dipshit

who the fuck are you?
Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: Yamcha on March 22, 2017, 03:30:18 PM
(http://imgroo.com/IovhWYs.jpeg)

With names complete unmasked, including all of Trump's family...  :o


But Nunes should let the Schiff see it first!!!
Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: HockeyFightFan on March 22, 2017, 03:34:50 PM
I'm not 240 dipshit

who the fuck are you?

The hell you aren't.
Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: Dos Equis on March 22, 2017, 03:56:37 PM
The hell you aren't.

No not the same.  240 is posting under another gimmick. 
Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: Nick Danger on March 23, 2017, 09:40:05 AM
This is Trump's investigation?

You are thinking of the Russian ties investigation that the FBI is conducting; completely different thing.

Nunes contradicted himself yesterday. In the interview outside the White House (?) he said it was different and then at the end of the video he said it was all part of the same investigation.

According to reports he apologized today.
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-03-23/nunes-s-trump-surveillance-claim-may-damage-him-despite-apology
Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: Yamcha on April 13, 2017, 04:59:54 PM
Wasn't CNN calling this fake news a month ago?

(https://i.redd.it/22peecdzoery.jpg)
Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: Yamcha on April 13, 2017, 05:34:43 PM
Wasn't CNN calling this fake news a month ago?

(https://i.redd.it/22peecdzoery.jpg)

Judge Napolitano's claim seems to be somewhat vindicated now.
Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 13, 2017, 07:21:08 PM
Judge Napolitano's claim seems to be somewhat vindicated now.

Which is probably why Fox News brought him back from his suspension and he still stuck by every word of his accusation.
Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: Nick Danger on April 13, 2017, 08:12:38 PM
Judge Napolitano's claim seems to be somewhat vindicated now.

Where is that Straw picture?




British spies were first to spot Trump team's links with Russia


GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.

Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.

The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.

Another source suggested the Dutch and the French spy agency, the General Directorate for External Security or DGSE, were contributors.

It is understood that GCHQ was at no point carrying out a targeted operation against Trump or his team or proactively seeking information. The alleged conversations were picked up by chance as part of routine surveillance of Russian intelligence assets. Over several months, different agencies targeting the same people began to see a pattern of connections that were flagged to intelligence officials in the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia

Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: Yamcha on April 14, 2017, 08:17:07 AM
Where is that Straw picture?




British spies were first to spot Trump team's links with Russia


GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.

Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.

The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.

Another source suggested the Dutch and the French spy agency, the General Directorate for External Security or DGSE, were contributors.

It is understood that GCHQ was at no point carrying out a targeted operation against Trump or his team or proactively seeking information. The alleged conversations were picked up by chance as part of routine surveillance of Russian intelligence assets. Over several months, different agencies targeting the same people began to see a pattern of connections that were flagged to intelligence officials in the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia



This doesn't change the fact that "Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said."

They were sharing unmasked information deep into Trump's run for presidency. These foreign agencies do not have to mask US citizens; So in essence, Trump's "inner circle" was being monitored. That information was passed on to the US (Who exactly in the US received this information? And were the US citizens names then masked? Probably not.)

The Susan Rice story is a completely different story as well - Her story deals with FISA unmasking of information from after this information was given to the US, especially information being unmasked after Trump was elected in November.

AND AFTER BEING MONITORED BY VARIOUS AGENCIES SINCE LATE 2015, THERE HAS BEEN ZERO EVIDENCE OF RUSSIAN COLLUSION/INTERFERENCE IN THIS ELECTION
Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: Pray_4_War on April 19, 2017, 08:05:14 PM
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Title: Re: GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored'
Post by: Nick Danger on April 19, 2017, 11:14:50 PM
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First one is about Obama surveillance of Trump, the second one is FBI surveillance of Carter Page.