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I'm sure a number of you guys have seen this but I don't see a thread on it so i figured I would post something.
Basically a young man was at home when three kids break in to rob them. The man used his AR-15 to shoot and kill all three men supposedly shooting 12 times per the get away driver who was arrested after the fact.
In California his magazine would have been illegal, he would have had to reload with that stupid ass bullet button to insert another magazine.
https://gma.yahoo.com/dont-blame-him-alleged-getaway-driver-says-resident-004905952--abc-news-topstories.html
Politicians shouldn't be regulating how many rounds you need to protect yourself.
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I'm sure a number of you guys have seen this but I don't see a thread on it so i figured I would post something.
Basically a young man was at home when three kids break in to rob them. The man used his AR-15 to shoot and kill all three men supposedly shooting 12 times per the get away driver who was arrested after the fact.
In California his magazine would have been illegal, he would have had to reload with that stupid ass bullet button to insert another magazine.
https://gma.yahoo.com/dont-blame-him-alleged-getaway-driver-says-resident-004905952--abc-news-topstories.html
Politicians shouldn't be regulating how many rounds you need to protect yourself.
Good for the homeowner. Also surprised to see the getaway driver admit to her role, but good for her too.
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An "assault rifle" with a "high capacity" "clip"?
Good for him for defending his family.
The driver is probably dumb if she is talking to everyone without a lawyer. But she might be facing serious charges (in some states she could be held responsible for the deaths of the 3 accomplices).
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An "assault rifle" with a "high capacity" "clip"?
Good for him for defending his family.
The driver is probably dumb if she is talking to everyone without a lawyer. But she might be facing serious charges (in some states she could be held responsible for the deaths of the 3 accomplices).
From the link:
Elizabeth Marie Rodriguez, 21, was arrested on three counts of first-degree felony murder, three counts of first-degree burglary and one count of second-degree burglary in the fatal shooting of three teen burglary suspects by a resident in Broken Arrow, near Tulsa.
"I know what we did was stupid and wrong," she told ABC News. "I don't blame him. ... I understand why he did what he did. I mean, I do to an extent."
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From the link:
Elizabeth Marie Rodriguez, 21, was arrested on three counts of first-degree felony murder, three counts of first-degree burglary and one count of second-degree burglary in the fatal shooting of three teen burglary suspects by a resident in Broken Arrow, near Tulsa.
"I know what we did was stupid and wrong," she told ABC News. "I don't blame him. ... I understand why he did what he did. I mean, I do to an extent."
Yep. This might be why she tries to appear like she has regret (might be genuine or not), if convicted she could be facing life in prison or even execution.
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Yep. This might be why she tries to appear like she has regret (might be genuine or not), if convicted she could be facing life in prison or even execution.
Could be. Although I like it when people take responsibility for their mistakes. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be held responsible, but manning up is the right thing to do.
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each intruder was shot once so the 10 clip magazine in CA woud have been more than sufficient
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Crazy fuckers in Oklahoma, yeah. It's a little sad because you figure that statistically at least one of those guys would have straightened his shit out over time, but no way you can ask the homeowner to risk his safety in that situation.
And the girl was probably so shocked that she was easily led into confessing. But she's probably had a few second thoughts.
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each intruder was shot once so the 10 clip magazine in CA woud have been more than sufficient
Can you explain to me how this "10 clip magazine" works?
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each intruder was shot once so the 10 clip magazine in CA woud have been more than sufficient
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Epitome of a "company man". Always the same narrative.
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each intruder was shot once so the 10 clip magazine in CA woud have been more than sufficient
You don't know the first thing about guns.
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You don't know the first thing about guns.
Like most that want to "control" them, he knows shit about them.
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each intruder was shot once so the 10 clip magazine in CA woud have been more than sufficient
This is the reason I buy drum mags.
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each intruder was shot once so the 10 clip magazine in CA woud have been more than sufficient
By that logic he should have been limited to 3 rounds.
LMFAO and what exactly is a "10 clip magazine"?
Hahah you clueless fuck
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By that logic he should have been limited to 3 rounds.
LMFAO and what exactly is a "10 clip magazine"?
Hahah you clueless fuck
Interesting how he put 'clip' and 'magazine' together.
This is the type of ignorance we are up against.
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By that logic he should have been limited to 3 rounds.
LMFAO and what exactly is a "10 clip magazine"?
Hahah you clueless fuck
as always
you're confused
just pointing out he had 3 x the ammo he needed (+ 1)
10 shot clip vs 12 shot clip made no difference
do you want to talk debate the "need" for a larger clip for a handgun?
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as always
you're confused
just pointing out he had 3 x the ammo he needed (+ 1)
10 shot clip vs 12 shot clip made no difference
do you want to talk debate the "need" for a larger clip for a handgun?
Do you think you're qualified to have a discussion about something you obviously know so little about?
I would suggest you start by learning the difference between a clip and a magazine and what each is used for.
And what difference would it have made of he had a 100 rnd drum mag?
What is the "need" for a smaller "clip"?
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Do you think you're qualified to have a discussion about something you obviously know so little about?
I would suggest you start by learning the difference between a clip and a magazine and what each is used for.
And what difference would it have made of he had a 100 rnd drum mag?
What is the "need" for a smaller "clip"?
feel free to educate me
what did this guy have?
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To protect his family he would have been justified using a fucking tank.
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feel free to educate me
what did this guy have?
1st off let me state I know very little about Guns.
So The Below Statement may not be entirely correct.
A clip is a device that is used to store multiple rounds of ammunition together as a unit, ready for insertion into the magazine or cylinder of a firearm. ... The defining difference between clips and magazines is the presence of a feed mechanism in a magazine, typically a spring-loaded follower, which a clip lacks.
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as always
you're confused
just pointing out he had 3 x the ammo he needed (+ 1)
10 shot clip vs 12 shot clip made no difference
do you want to talk debate the "need" for a larger clip for a handgun?
You don't know what he needed, he could have hit all three with his last three rounds. That means he may have only got 1 with a 10 round mag ::)
What you're pointing out is your ignorance on the subject and the fact you know very little about guns.
I bet you're the type of person that sees these police shootings and asks "why cant they just shoot them in the legs?"
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Reads like a comedic article:
http://americangg.net/dead-criminals-family-complains/
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You don't know what he needed, he could have hit all three with his last three rounds. That means he may have only got 1 with a 10 round mag ::)
What you're pointing out is your ignorance on the subject and the fact you know very little about guns.
I bet you're the type of person that sees these police shootings and asks "why cant they just shoot them in the legs?"
just exactly like you don't know he needed a 12 round clip ::)
and just so you're not confused these people were armed and in his house and I'm perfectly fine with this guy shooting to kill
isn't that what you're supposed to do if you point a gun at someone?
I don't see any significant difference between 10 and 12 rounds
I don't see any need for someone to have a 33 round magazine like the Tuscon Shooter or the shooter in Aurora who supposedly had a 100-round drum magazine
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just exactly like you don't know he needed a 12 round clip ::)
and just so you're not confused these people were armed and in his house and I'm perfectly fine with this guy shooting to kill
isn't that what you're supposed to do if you point a gun at someone?
I don't see any significant difference between 10 and 12 rounds
I don't see any need for someone to have a 33 round magazine like the Tuscon Shooter or the shooter in Aurora who supposedly had a 100-round drum magazine
How do you know what someone else needs? Maybe some people feel the need to have more than 10 rnd mags, what's the harm?
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The more rounds the better.
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just exactly like you don't know he needed a 12 round clip ::)
and just so you're not confused these people were armed and in his house and I'm perfectly fine with this guy shooting to kill
isn't that what you're supposed to do if you point a gun at someone?
I don't see any significant difference between 10 and 12 rounds
I don't see any need for someone to have a 33 round magazine like the Tuscon Shooter or the shooter in Aurora who supposedly had a 100-round drum magazine
Jared Loughner had a 30 round magazine and one in the chamber to make 31 total. You're still talking out your ass and have no fucking clue what you're bullshitting about.
Just shut the fuck up, you're more full of shit than 240 and ESF combined.
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Barack Obama: "I don't believe people should be able to own guns."
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just exactly like you don't know he needed a 12 round clip ::)
and just so you're not confused these people were armed and in his house and I'm perfectly fine with this guy shooting to kill
isn't that what you're supposed to do if you point a gun at someone?
I don't see any significant difference between 10 and 12 rounds
I don't see any need for someone to have a 33 round magazine like the Tuscon Shooter or the shooter in Aurora who supposedly had a 100-round drum magazine
If you don't see any significant difference between 10 and 12 then why cap them at 10?
What are you basing your view on that no one needs a 30 round mag?
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Jared Loughner had a 30 round magazine and one in the chamber to make 31 total. You're still talking out your ass and have no fucking clue what you're bullshitting about.
Just shut the fuck up, you're more full of shit than 240 and ESF combined.
Exactly. 33 round magazine? It doesn't exist. Clearly mr man straw doesn't know the first thing about firearms and would suffer ptsd from being in the same room as one. I imagine he would have suicidal thoughts from watching a violent movie with firearms in it, and would likely act on those thoughts after touching one.
Absolutely nothing wrong with having hi capacity mags. In fact they should be encouraged as they equalize things significantly in case of violent criminals who dont abide by laws and use automatic weapons with high capacity magazines. Or other 'forces' who employ firearms with high rates of fire and large magazine. The point of us having guns in the first place is to be able to defend ourselves from tyranny, in whatever form that may manifest itself. Be it localized criminals, or the wider criminals in our government. Guns are here to stay, and stupid liberals need to accept that. There are far too many in the US to be taken now, if the citizens even allowed such a lawa to be passed.
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Should have just called 911 and waited 10 minutes for the police to arrive.
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each intruder was shot once so the 10 clip magazine in CA woud have been more than sufficient
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120 rounds? LOL.
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120 rounds? LOL.
That must be a 120 clip magazine lollipop?
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Can you explain to me how this "10 clip magazine" works?
duct taped together with a spacer or 5 up 5 down banana clipped also with duct tape
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Jared Loughner had a 30 round magazine and one in the chamber to make 31 total. You're still talking out your ass and have no fucking clue what you're bullshitting about.
Just shut the fuck up, you're more full of shit than 240 and ESF combined.
are you seriously this fucking stupid (rhetorical question...of course you are)
do you really think it makes any difference to the argument whether it was 30 rounds or 33 rounds
Also, it was widely reported from multiple sources that he had multiple magazines with one capable of holding 33 rounds
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Exactly. 33 round magazine? It doesn't exist. Clearly mr man straw doesn't know the first thing about firearms and would suffer ptsd from being in the same room as one. I imagine he would have suicidal thoughts from watching a violent movie with firearms in it, and would likely act on those thoughts after touching one.
Absolutely nothing wrong with having hi capacity mags. In fact they should be encouraged as they equalize things significantly in case of violent criminals who dont abide by laws and use automatic weapons with high capacity magazines. Or other 'forces' who employ firearms with high rates of fire and large magazine. The point of us having guns in the first place is to be able to defend ourselves from tyranny, in whatever form that may manifest itself. Be it localized criminals, or the wider criminals in our government. Guns are here to stay, and stupid liberals need to accept that. There are far too many in the US to be taken now, if the citizens even allowed such a lawa to be passed.
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WYHI the 21yo gettaway driver.
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Barack Obama: "I don't believe people should be able to own guns."
He forgot add except for his security team & Police. ::)
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Barack Obama: "I don't believe people should be able to own guns."
does that "quote" actually exist anywhere in writing, on audio or video tape?
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are you seriously this fucking stupid (rhetorical question...of course you are)
do you really think it makes any difference to the argument whether it was 30 rounds or 33 rounds
Also, it was widely reported from multiple sources that he had multiple magazines with one capable of holding 33 rounds
What argument? All you have said so far is you don't see the need for them. You haven't explained why you feel that way and what it's based on.
Basically at this point you've made a statement not an argument
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What argument? All you have said so far is you don't see the need for them. You haven't explained why you feel that way and what it's based on.
Basically at this point you've made a statement not an argument
Do you know of any instances where a homeowner or private citizen needed a high capacity magazine to defend their home or themselves (not talking about the 12 round one in the shooting in OK)
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Do you know of any instances where a homeowner or private citizen needed a high capacity magazine to defend their home or themselves (not talking about the 12 round one in the shooting in OK)
First define "high capacity magazine"
Why would you not take into account the OK shooting when speaking about this?
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First define "high capacity magazine"
Why would you not take into account the OK shooting when speaking about this?
I'm sure you know what I'm referring to but let's just say the 30 or 33 round ones that we've been talking about in this thread
the OK shooter had a 12 round magazine. I don't see much difference between 10 and 12 or for that matter 8 or 10 (again the OK shooter killed each person with a single shot)
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No charges against Oklahoma man who killed 3 intruders
"It is the opinion of this office that Zachary Peters acted justifiably ... when he used deadly force to defend his home," said Wagoner County Assistant District Attorney Jack Thorp. "It was clear he operated completely within the law when he used deadly force," Thorp later told The Associated Press.
Wagoner County Sheriff Chris Elliott said he supports the decision not to charge Peters.
"We support the right of our citizens, the right to bear arms and to defend their homes," Elliott said. "In this such case, we feel strongly that's what took place here."
“The facts in this case are very solid, these individuals chose to go to this house, they chose to break into this house, they chose to forcibly enter into the house, and because of those decisions they lost their life,"
http://www.wral.com/no-charges-against-oklahoma-man-who-killed-3-intruders/16622996/
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No charges against Oklahoma man who killed 3 intruders
http://www.wral.com/no-charges-against-oklahoma-man-who-killed-3-intruders/16622996/
Good.
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I'm sure you know what I'm referring to but let's just say the 30 or 33 round ones that we've been talking about in this thread
the OK shooter had a 12 round magazine. I don't see much difference between 10 and 12 or for that matter 8 or 10 (again the OK shooter killed each person with a single shot)
Actually I don't know what you're talking about. That's because the people who want to limit gun rights generally take broad liberties when defining things like "assault rifle", "high capacity magazine", "automatic weapon" etc...
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/homeowner-shoots-injures-home-invaders_nkncr/53717460
What does it matter how many rounds it took to kill them intruders? Are you under the impression that you only need 1 round per intruder?
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I'm sure you know what I'm referring to but let's just say the 30 or 33 round ones that we've been talking about in this thread
the OK shooter had a 12 round magazine. I don't see much difference between 10 and 12 or for that matter 8 or 10 (again the OK shooter killed each person with a single shot)
Not sure what you mean here...do you see much difference between 8 and 12?
I don't see any reason for cars to have a top speed exceeding 55mph. Think of the lives that could be saved every year!
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are you seriously this fucking stupid (rhetorical question...of course you are)
do you really think it makes any difference to the argument whether it was 30 rounds or 33 rounds
Also, it was widely reported from multiple sources that he had multiple magazines with one capable of holding 33 rounds
In other words you quoted shit you had no fucking clue about and thought it was the truth.
Or maybe he had "skinny" bullets?
What a complete fucking retard, same shit you cry your eyes out at Coach over.
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Actually I don't know what you're talking about. That's because the people who want to limit gun rights generally take broad liberties when defining things like "assault rifle", "high capacity magazine", "automatic weapon" etc...
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/homeowner-shoots-injures-home-invaders_nkncr/53717460
What does it matter how many rounds it took to kill them intruders? Are you under the impression that you only need 1 round per intruder?
That's all I need. ;D
I'd still empty the mag on them... What good is buying ammo if you don't shoot it?
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The decision to use deadly force is made. It doesn't matter how many rounds are used at that point. You shoot until empty or threat is over. Usually both.
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Do you know of any instances where a homeowner or private citizen needed a high capacity magazine to defend their home or themselves (not talking about the 12 round one in the shooting in OK)
Don't worry - you and Andreisyourhusband cant fight off muggers and robbers w giant dildos
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just exactly like you don't know he needed a 12 round clip ::)
and just so you're not confused these people were armed and in his house and I'm perfectly fine with this guy shooting to kill
isn't that what you're supposed to do if you point a gun at someone?
I don't see any significant difference between 10 and 12 rounds
I don't see any need for someone to have a 33 round magazine like the Tuscon Shooter or the shooter in Aurora who supposedly had a 100-round drum magazine
You are an idiot - really - just stop - what you personally see is irrelevent to the discussion.
You come across just like the little fairy in this video
;D :D
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No
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Actually I don't know what you're talking about. That's because the people who want to limit gun rights generally take broad liberties when defining things like "assault rifle", "high capacity magazine", "automatic weapon" etc...
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/homeowner-shoots-injures-home-invaders_nkncr/53717460
What does it matter how many rounds it took to kill them intruders? Are you under the impression that you only need 1 round per intruder?
Hmm, you can't give even one example where a homeowner needed a high capacity magazine to defend themselves
I can show you many many examples where a gunman used a weapon with a high capacity magazine to kill a lot of people
I guess the only conclusion is we can do nothing to LOWER the carnage. Can't even try. Just no point
And what's the reason we an even try or make any effort at all?
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Not sure what you mean here...do you see much difference between 8 and 12?
I don't see any reason for cars to have a top speed exceeding 55mph. Think of the lives that could be saved every year!
Nope, I don't much difference between 8, 10 or 12
I see a big difference between 10 and 30 and not just a % but actual bullet count
Not sure why you decided to bring up automobiles
Are cars primary use as weapons
Are most auto accidents and deaths due to speed above 55 mph hour or are they most due to drunk driving, bad weather, careless driving etc..
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Nope, I don't much difference between 8, 10 or 12
I see a big difference between 10 and 30 and not just a % but actual bullet count
Not sure why you decided to bring up automobiles
Are cars primary use as weapons
Are most auto accidents and deaths due to speed above 55 mph hour or are they most due to drunk driving, bad weather, careless driving etc..
Actually most accidents are not because of drunk driving or bad weather. That is a fact. Speed is also not a large part of it.
You have to define careless driving because that's not just one thing.
If you said driver inattentiveness I may go along with it though. I do believe that's number one.
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Actually most accidents are not because of drunk driving or bad weather. That is a fact. Speed is also not a large part of it.
You have to define careless driving because that's not just one thing.
If you said driver inattentiveness I may go along with it though. I do believe that's number one.
well, I just asked the question
I'm not sure why people always like to conflate cars or other things when talking about guns
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well, I just asked the question
I'm not sure why people always like to conflate cars or other things when talking about guns
It's a simple comparison in regulation, didn't mean to confuse you. ::)
I don't understand why some people feel regulating guns and ammo is OK.
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It's a simple comparison in regulation, didn't mean to confuse you. ::)
I don't understand why some people feel regulating guns and ammo is OK.
the only confusion I have is why you think cars and guns have anything in common or why you think cars and speed limits have anything to do with guns
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just exactly like you don't know he needed a 12 round clip ::)
and just so you're not confused these people were armed and in his house and I'm perfectly fine with this guy shooting to kill
isn't that what you're supposed to do if you point a gun at someone?
I don't see any significant difference between 10 and 12 rounds
I don't see any need for someone to have a 33 round magazine like the Tuscon Shooter or the shooter in Aurora who supposedly had a 100-round drum magazine
The point is your opinion doesn't matter. You need as many rounds as you need. Guns malfunction which may require to reload. Magazines may malfunction or wear over time. Your argument over 'need' does not trump someones ability to protect life and property.
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the only confusion I have is why you think cars and guns have anything in common or why you think cars and speed limits have anything to do with guns
That's because you're a liberal moron that needs everything spelled out in crayon. :)
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the only confusion I have is why you think cars and guns have anything in common or why you think cars and speed limits have anything to do with guns
Guns are a protected constitutional right, and cars are not.
That's really all that matters in this instance.
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Guns are a protected constitutional right, and cars are not.
That's really all that matters in this instance.
Yep.
Also, let's not get away from the fact that Grasping's original point was that the 12 was too much. He only needed three because everyone is Clint Eastwood, etc. Sidetrack city to somewhere he felt on more solid ground.
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30 clip magazines for the win! :D
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Hmm, you can't give even one example where a homeowner needed a high capacity magazine to defend themselves
I can show you many many examples where a gunman used a weapon with a high capacity magazine to kill a lot of people
I guess the only conclusion is we can do nothing to LOWER the carnage. Can't even try. Just no point
And what's the reason we an even try or make any effort at all?
Lol the link i posted had an incident where the homeowner shot like 40 times.
LMFAO the amount of people you can find killed by people utilizing a high capacity mag is a very small % of the overall people killed by guns.
You're creating a boogeyman which isn't real to push your agenda...in other words, a straw man
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does that "quote" actually exist anywhere in writing, on audio or video tape?
That I'm unaware of any denial or clarification is what concerns me more than anything else. Do you know of anything? Maybe you do.
I'm sure you won't deny it's a strange thing to say.
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Hmm, you can't give even one example where a homeowner needed a high capacity magazine to defend themselves
I can show you many many examples where a gunman used a weapon with a high capacity magazine to kill a lot of people
I guess the only conclusion is we can do nothing to LOWER the carnage. Can't even try. Just no point
And what's the reason we an even try or make any effort at all?
You can't deny, though, that the one thing is what's reported on (people getting killed) while the other isn't (deaths prevented by protective measures) and that it makes a fundamental flaw in perception.
That's why the "gun control" movement is false, and nothing but a creation of media.
All true.
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people don't need guns. period. for every case like this where access to a gun possibly saved lives, there's 10+ cases where access to a gun led to loss of life.
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people don't need guns. period. for every case like this where access to a gun possibly saved lives, there's 10+ cases where access to a gun led to loss of life.
Lmao, the second sentence begins by denying the first sentence, before finishing with a wild guess.
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people don't need guns. period. for every case like this where access to a gun possibly saved lives, there's 10+ cases where access to a gun led to loss of life.
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Lăl
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people don't need guns. period. for every case like this where access to a gun possibly saved lives, there's 10+ cases where access to a gun led to loss of life.
Nobody needed your shitty opinion, yet here you are.
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6 shots is really all that is needed. :-\
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6 shots is really all that is needed. :-\
For a shotgun, yes!
Except this Kel-Tec has a 7+7+1 capacity that I am quite fond of:
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For a shotgun, yes!
Except this Kel-Tec has a 7+7+1 capacity that I am quite fond of:
(https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13250623_f520.jpg)
Careful racking too fast.
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Straw avoiding further humiliation in this thread like the plague
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Careful racking too fast.
What happens if you rack to fast? Will it break? ???
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For a shotgun, yes!
Except this Kel-Tec has a 7+7+1 capacity that I am quite fond of:
(https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13250623_f520.jpg)
UTAS has a 12 gauge based on the AR platform for about the same price as the kel tec. I was waiting for the price of the kel tec to come down and saw this.
http://www.utas-usa.com/semiautoshotgun/xtr-12-tungsten
I have yet to see one at a gun show. I have an issue with buying a gun I have never physically held or seen before but I have heard good things so far.
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Straw avoiding further humiliation in this thread like the plague
He has 33 reasons in his clip for avoiding it...
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For a shotgun, yes!
Except this Kel-Tec has a 7+7+1 capacity that I am quite fond of:
(https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13250623_f520.jpg)
Per snowflake standards, this must qualify as an assault weapon of mass destruction with high capacity 10 clip magazine filled with depleted uranium bullets and is used extensively for clubbing baby seals.
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people don't need guns. period. for every case like this where access to a gun possibly saved lives, there's 10+ cases where access to a gun led to loss of life.
;D Still can't stop lol'ing at this post.
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;D Still can't stop lol'ing at this post.
And to think there are people with that mindset in our legislatures. :-\
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people don't need guns. period. for every case like this where access to a gun possibly saved lives, there's 10+ cases where access to a gun led to loss of life.
Whenever I read this shit, I think about how the US was founded on individuals taking up arms against an oppressive government. The first thing despots do is take away the citizens ability to defend itself.
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What happens if you rack to fast? Will it break? ???
No, I had just read a story awhile back about people slamming their hands forward too fast and slipping off the forward grip potentially putting that hand in front of the barrel.
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Whenever I read this shit, I think about how the US was founded on individuals taking up arms against an oppressive government. The first thing despots do is take away the citizens ability to defend itself.
Tu, on the front lines of getbiggers against oppressive governments, we take up arms using front double bi poses!
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ROFLMAO ;D ;D ;D
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No, I had just read a story awhile back about people slamming their hands forward too fast and slipping off the forward grip potentially putting that hand in front of the barrel.
:o :o :o
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And to think there are people with that mindset in our legislatures. :-\
Yeah, so it isn't "really" funny I know. It's not at all funny, in fact. It's a combination of tragic, stupid, frightful, and incredible.
Anti-Gun Argument = ALL Emotion, ZERO Logic.
Get your estrogen in check, Conker, and quit babbling. Next thing you know, you'll be growing tits.
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The point is your opinion doesn't matter. You need as many rounds as you need. Guns malfunction which may require to reload. Magazines may malfunction or wear over time. Your argument over 'need' does not trump someones ability to protect life and property.
hey looks like we have something in common
I couldn't get less of a shit about your opinion either
turns out the OK shooter only needed three shots to defend himself - one for each dead burglar
why don't cops use 33 round magazines in their guns
seems like a cop is much more likely to need to defend himself than anyone else
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Guns are a protected constitutional right, and cars are not.
That's really all that matters in this instance.
and well regulated too
don't forget that part
btw - just so there is no confusion (I know people like to change me argument to whatever it is they want to defend - not saying you're doing that but just want to be clear)....I have no issue with guns, gun ownership, self defense, etc.
just pointing out the fact that large capacity magazines are used in many mass shooting events yet I don't see cops using them or any evidence that they are needed for home defense
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/high-capacity-magazines-mass-shootings
Now, if anyone wants to dispute that and show some proof that if fine with me
What should be done?
I assume the conclusion of this board is absolutely nothing
I'm fine with that.
That's settle the debate once and for all
Mass shootings will continue to happen in this country, they are a part of life and there is nothing we can do about it.
In fact, they are so common in this country that it's kind of our thing. It's just part of life in this country kind of like obesity and diabetes
Anyone disagree with that
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and well regulated too
don't forget that part
btw - just so there is no confusion (I know people like to change me argument to whatever it is they want to defend - not saying you're doing that but just want to be clear)....I have no issue with guns, gun ownership, self defense, etc.
just pointing out the fact that large capacity magazines are used in many mass shooting events yet I don't see cops using them or any evidence that they are needed for home defense
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/high-capacity-magazines-mass-shootings
Now, if anyone wants to dispute that and show some proof that if fine with me
What should be done?
I assume the conclusion of this board is absolutely nothing
I'm fine with that.
That's settle the debate once and for all
Mass shootings will continue to happen in this country, they are a part of life and there is nothing we can do about it.
In fact, they are so common in this country that it's kind of our thing. It's just part of life in this country kind of like obesity and diabetes
Anyone disagree with that
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and well regulated too
don't forget that part
btw - just so there is no confusion (I know people like to change me argument to whatever it is they want to defend - not saying you're doing that but just want to be clear)....I have no issue with guns, gun ownership, self defense, etc.
just pointing out the fact that large capacity magazines are used in many mass shooting events yet I don't see cops using them or any evidence that they are needed for home defense
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/high-capacity-magazines-mass-shootings
Now, if anyone wants to dispute that and show some proof that if fine with me
What should be done?
I assume the conclusion of this board is absolutely nothing
I'm fine with that.
That's settle the debate once and for all
Mass shootings will continue to happen in this country, they are a part of life and there is nothing we can do about it.
In fact, they are so common in this country that it's kind of our thing. It's just part of life in this country kind of like obesity and diabetes
Anyone disagree with that
Actually, it's the militia that is stated to be regulated, not the right to bear arms.
That right to keep and bear arms is to "not be infringed". You know what that means.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Grammar is important in this phrase.
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and well regulated too
don't forget that part
btw - just so there is no confusion (I know people like to change me argument to whatever it is they want to defend - not saying you're doing that but just want to be clear)....I have no issue with guns, gun ownership, self defense, etc.
just pointing out the fact that large capacity magazines are used in many mass shooting events yet I don't see cops using them or any evidence that they are needed for home defense
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/high-capacity-magazines-mass-shootings
Now, if anyone wants to dispute that and show some proof that if fine with me
What should be done?
I assume the conclusion of this board is absolutely nothing
I'm fine with that.
That's settle the debate once and for all
Mass shootings will continue to happen in this country, they are a part of life and there is nothing we can do about it.
In fact, they are so common in this country that it's kind of our thing. It's just part of life in this country kind of like obesity and diabetes
Anyone disagree with that
Dispute what? That we have some crazy people in the world? You listed 32 mass shootings within a 30 year span. As of today approximately 44-46% of households own a firearm. Out of that how many do you suspect will commit a mass murder? You want to take away the rights of the majority when only a few committed a mass murder. Your logic doesn't add up.
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Actually, it's the militia that is stated to be regulated, not the right to bear arms.
That right to keep and bear arms is to "not be infringed". You know what that means.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Grammar is important in this phrase.
grammar is important and no one really knows for sure what the founders intended when the meant "arms" or even "well regulated". We know what "arms" were at that time so for those strict strict constitutionalist types I'm fine with anyone owning any "arm" available at the time the constitution was written.
we'd also have to know the exact definition of a militia that that time
Also, a common definition of "well regulated" at that time was something that was in proper working order
Let's put that aside for the moment
I have a few questions
Do we regulate weapons in this country (or in some cases by state or local ordinance?)
Do we take away peoples rights in this country (for example where does it say in the Constitution that felons should not be allowed to vote or own guns?). I personally don't agree with this. I'd like to see the NRA which cares about the Constitution add this to their cause.
Finally, my original question (or rather statement) and you can even ignore the other questions....
- Can't we all just agree that there is NOTHING we can do about mass shootings or gun violence in this country. It's just part of our heritage. Let's just all admit that and stop being upset, alarmed or surprised when this happens.
Can we agree on that?
I would be totally fine with that
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grammar is important and no one really knows for sure what the founders intended when the meant "arms" or even "well regulated". We know what "arms" were at that time so for those strict strict constitutionalist types I'm fine with anyone owning any "arm" available at the time the constitution was written.
we'd also have to know the exact definition of a militia that that time
Also, a common definition of "well regulated" at that time was something that was in proper working order
Let's put that aside for the moment
I have a few questions
Do we regulate weapons in this country (or in some cases by state or local ordinance?)
We do. I don't agree with it, but yes.
Do we take away peoples rights in this country (for example where does it say in the Constitution that felons should not be allowed to vote or own guns?). I personally don't agree with this. I'd like to see the NRA which cares about the Constitution add this to their cause.
Yes, we do, and I'm also against that.
Finally, my original question (or rather statement) and you can even ignore the other questions....
- Can't we all just agree that there is NOTHING we can do about mass shootings or gun violence in this country. It's just part of our heritage. Let's just all admit that and stop being upset, alarmed or surprised when this happens.
Can we agree on that?
I would be totally fine with that
Yes. I am not alarmed by it at all. It sucks, but the number of mass shootings is relatively small compared to a great many other things that hurt people in this country.
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We do. I don't agree with it, but yes.
Yes, we do, and I'm also against that.
Yes. I am not alarmed by it at all. It sucks, but the number of mass shootings is relatively small compared to a great many other things that hurt people in this country.
you are I are in total agreement
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Straw - go read Heller decision and get back to us.
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Straw - go read Heller decision and get back to us.
summarize it for us
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summarize it for us
Summary - 99% of the falsities and idiocy you spew on gun control issues is already decided and ruled on by the SC.
Now go get your shine box.
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Summary - 99% of the falsities and idiocy you spew on gun control issues is already decided and ruled on by the SC.
Now go get your shine box.
so when I say that I'm fine with anyone having guns and that gun violence is just part of this country the Heller decision says that is false?
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A reliable revolver is really all anyone needs. :-\
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you poor brainwashed faggets really think your guns are protecting you when all the credible data shows that the residents of homes without guns are far and away safer than those in homes with guns.
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you poor brainwashed faggets really think your guns are protecting you when all the credible data shows that the residents of homes without guns are far and away safer than those in homes with guns.
Please show this data.
How can any study know what house does or does not have a gun? Most states do not require registrations for handguns or shotguns, so I would wonder how they collect this "data" you speak of.
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you poor brainwashed faggets really think your guns are protecting you when all the credible data shows that the residents of homes without guns are far and away safer than those in homes with guns.
these stats have been cited for years and are incredibly misleading.
They include domestic violence with guns and suicides. Domestic violence doesn't occur b/c of guns and neither do suicides. These issues would be there with or without the gun.
It also only cites instances where a gun is fired as being used in self defense. Anybody who knows anything about guns knows that you don't have to use it for it to be a deterrent.
Guns are used a lot more in self defense every year than there are deaths from guns...even taking into account suicides which are the majority of gun deaths.
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Please show this data.
How can any study know what house does or does not have a gun? Most states do not require registrations for handguns or shotguns, so I would wonder how they collect this "data" you speak of.
there's one for you
"we found that keeping a gun in the home was strongly and independently associated with an increased risk of homicide (adjusted odds ratio, 2.7; 95 percent confidence interval, 1.6 to 4.4). Virtually all of this risk involved homicide by a family member or intimate acquaintance."
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506
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there's one for you
"we found that keeping a gun in the home was strongly and independently associated with an increased risk of homicide (adjusted odds ratio, 2.7; 95 percent confidence interval, 1.6 to 4.4). Virtually all of this risk involved homicide by a family member or intimate acquaintance."
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506
Damn. You had to pull out a 25 year old paper to show that if you have a gun in the house and family members get into a heated argument, that someone may die.
Holy shit.
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these stats have been cited for years and are incredibly misleading.
They include domestic violence with guns and suicides. Domestic violence doesn't occur b/c of guns and neither do suicides. These issues would be there with or without the gun.
It also only cites instances where a gun is fired as being used in self defense. Anybody who knows anything about guns knows that you don't have to use it for it to be a deterrent.
Guns are used a lot more in self defense every year than there are deaths from guns...even taking into account suicides which are the majority of gun deaths.
they're peer reviewed studies.
but you'd prefer to dismiss them and instead listen to the mumbo jumbo propagated by those making billions off the back of the gun trade.
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Damn. You had to pull out a 25 year old paper to show that if you have a gun in the house and family members get into a heated argument, that someone may die.
Holy shit.
you think 'things' have drastically changed since then?
there's several more recent ones if you care to look
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you think 'things' have drastically changed since then?
there's several more recent ones if you care to look
I think that crime as a whole has decreased drastically over the past 30 years. In all ways.
Also, they mention that drugs are a big factor in the rates related to homicides of other family members.
Those statistics are only looking at people killed by guns in the home as well, it requires a victim. The fact that none of these studies can really determine is how many people own guns because those are numbers that you can not know.
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Impossible to determine the protective and preventative value involved, yeah.
Anyone honestly thinking about it, should see the whole thing is built on lies and distortion. Not even close.
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there's one for you
"we found that keeping a gun in the home was strongly and independently associated with an increased risk of homicide (adjusted odds ratio, 2.7; 95 percent confidence interval, 1.6 to 4.4). Virtually all of this risk involved homicide by a family member or intimate acquaintance."
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506
CONCLUSIONS
The use of illicit drugs and a history of physical fights in the home are important risk factors for homicide in the home. Rather than confer protection, guns kept in the home are associated with an increase in the risk of homicide by a family member or intimate acquaintance.
So, let me get this straight. Gun owners, who use drugs and have a history of physical fights within the home, or at an increased risk of homicide in their house? ???
Absolutely shocking! I'm going to sell all of my guns immediately. ::)
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Absolutely shocking! I'm going to sell all of my guns immediately. ::)
PM Sent ;)
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and well regulated too
don't forget that part
btw - just so there is no confusion (I know people like to change me argument to whatever it is they want to defend - not saying you're doing that but just want to be clear)....I have no issue with guns, gun ownership, self defense, etc.
just pointing out the fact that large capacity magazines are used in many mass shooting events yet I don't see cops using them or any evidence that they are needed for home defense
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/high-capacity-magazines-mass-shootings
Now, if anyone wants to dispute that and show some proof that if fine with me
What should be done?
I assume the conclusion of this board is absolutely nothing
I'm fine with that.
That's settle the debate once and for all
Mass shootings will continue to happen in this country, they are a part of life and there is nothing we can do about it.
In fact, they are so common in this country that it's kind of our thing. It's just part of life in this country kind of like obesity and diabetes
Anyone disagree with that
Pretty sure cops use the standard 30 rnd mags, have extra rounds in their shotguns and carry probably 17 rounds in their 9mm pistols.
What should be done? Make it easier for people that want to carry a weapon legally to have the ability to do so. (with proper training of course)
I wouldn't say mass shootings are common considering the sheer number of guns in this country, both legal and illegal.
Once again, laws only apply to those willing to obey them. Law abiding citizens suffer when criminals can and do have access to weapons and materials that are deemed illegal for the common folk.
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CONCLUSIONS
The use of illicit drugs and a history of physical fights in the home are important risk factors for homicide in the home. Rather than confer protection, guns kept in the home are associated with an increase in the risk of homicide by a family member or intimate acquaintance.
So, let me get this straight. Gun owners, who use drugs and have a history of physical fights within the home, or at an increased risk of homicide in their house? ???
Absolutely shocking! I'm going to sell all of my guns immediately. ::)
Exactly!!!
These studies basically blame domestic violence on the fact there's a gun in the home. You mean if you are abusing you're family that you're more likely to shoot them?
Holy fuck man!!!
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you poor brainwashed faggets really think your guns are protecting you when all the credible data shows that the residents of homes without guns are far and away safer than those in homes with guns.
Go take a shower.
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33 clip magazines for the win! :)
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Something that can't be accurately measured is the many times a person uses a gun to defend his or her-self but nobody gets shot. Firearms are a great deterrent and just presenting one will often make an attacker immediately flee. Nobody ever talks about that and it seriously skews all the statistics. All the "it's more dangerous to own a gun" stats are bullshit. Absolutely wrong.
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Straw really took it on the chin in this thread.
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Straw really took it on the chin in this thread.
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Straw really took it on the chin in this thread.
damn, along with being a moron (did you even read this thread?) you really are a raging closet case
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damn, along with being a moron (did you even read this thread?) you really are a raging closet case
You got schlonged pretty bad not knowing a damn thing about firearms
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You got schlonged pretty bad not knowing a damn thing about firearms
like I said previously, you're a flaming closet case who obviously didn't even read this thread
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You got schlonged pretty bad not knowing a damn thing about firearms
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The ones who know the least are often the ones with the most to say on this topic.
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A reliable 38, or even a 41 is all anyone really needs for protection. ???
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A reliable 38, or even a 41 is all anyone really needs for protection. ???
Or an AR15 with a 33 round clip magazine.