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Title: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: tonymctones on March 31, 2017, 03:45:21 PM
I'm sure a number of you guys have seen this but I don't see a thread on it so i figured I would post something.

Basically a young man was at home when three kids break in to rob them. The man used his AR-15 to shoot and kill all three men supposedly shooting 12 times per the get away driver who was arrested after the fact.

In California his magazine would have been illegal, he would have had to reload with that stupid ass bullet button to insert another magazine.

https://gma.yahoo.com/dont-blame-him-alleged-getaway-driver-says-resident-004905952--abc-news-topstories.html

Politicians shouldn't be regulating how many rounds you need to protect yourself.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Dos Equis on March 31, 2017, 03:55:26 PM
I'm sure a number of you guys have seen this but I don't see a thread on it so i figured I would post something.

Basically a young man was at home when three kids break in to rob them. The man used his AR-15 to shoot and kill all three men supposedly shooting 12 times per the get away driver who was arrested after the fact.

In California his magazine would have been illegal, he would have had to reload with that stupid ass bullet button to insert another magazine.

https://gma.yahoo.com/dont-blame-him-alleged-getaway-driver-says-resident-004905952--abc-news-topstories.html

Politicians shouldn't be regulating how many rounds you need to protect yourself.

Good for the homeowner.  Also surprised to see the getaway driver admit to her role, but good for her too. 
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Skeletor on March 31, 2017, 03:58:58 PM
An "assault rifle" with a "high capacity" "clip"?

Good for him for defending his family.

The driver is probably dumb if she is talking to everyone without a lawyer. But she might be facing serious charges (in some states she could be held responsible for the deaths of the 3 accomplices).
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Dos Equis on March 31, 2017, 04:05:13 PM
An "assault rifle" with a "high capacity" "clip"?

Good for him for defending his family.

The driver is probably dumb if she is talking to everyone without a lawyer. But she might be facing serious charges (in some states she could be held responsible for the deaths of the 3 accomplices).

From the link:

Elizabeth Marie Rodriguez, 21, was arrested on three counts of first-degree felony murder, three counts of first-degree burglary and one count of second-degree burglary in the fatal shooting of three teen burglary suspects by a resident in Broken Arrow, near Tulsa.

"I know what we did was stupid and wrong," she told ABC News. "I don't blame him. ... I understand why he did what he did. I mean, I do to an extent."
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Skeletor on March 31, 2017, 04:08:57 PM
From the link:

Elizabeth Marie Rodriguez, 21, was arrested on three counts of first-degree felony murder, three counts of first-degree burglary and one count of second-degree burglary in the fatal shooting of three teen burglary suspects by a resident in Broken Arrow, near Tulsa.

"I know what we did was stupid and wrong," she told ABC News. "I don't blame him. ... I understand why he did what he did. I mean, I do to an extent."


Yep. This might be why she tries to appear like she has regret (might be genuine or not), if convicted she could be facing life in prison or even execution.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Dos Equis on March 31, 2017, 04:12:11 PM
Yep. This might be why she tries to appear like she has regret (might be genuine or not), if convicted she could be facing life in prison or even execution.

Could be.  Although I like it when people take responsibility for their mistakes.  Doesn't mean they shouldn't be held responsible, but manning up is the right thing to do. 
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Straw Man on March 31, 2017, 04:30:14 PM
each intruder was shot once so the 10 clip magazine in CA woud have been more than sufficient
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Las Vegas on March 31, 2017, 05:00:04 PM
Crazy fuckers in Oklahoma, yeah.   It's a little sad because you figure that statistically at least one of those guys would have straightened his shit out over time, but no way you can ask the homeowner to risk his safety in that situation.

And the girl was probably so shocked that she was easily led into confessing.  But she's probably had a few second thoughts.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: chaos on March 31, 2017, 06:39:22 PM
each intruder was shot once so the 10 clip magazine in CA woud have been more than sufficient
Can you explain to me how this "10 clip magazine" works?
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: mazrim on March 31, 2017, 06:39:41 PM
each intruder was shot once so the 10 clip magazine in CA woud have been more than sufficient
^
Epitome of a "company man". Always the same narrative.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: polychronopolous on March 31, 2017, 06:42:19 PM
each intruder was shot once so the 10 clip magazine in CA woud have been more than sufficient

You don't know the first thing about guns.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: chaos on March 31, 2017, 06:47:13 PM
You don't know the first thing about guns.
Like most that want to "control" them, he knows shit about them.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: SOMEPARTS on March 31, 2017, 07:21:06 PM
each intruder was shot once so the 10 clip magazine in CA woud have been more than sufficient




This is the reason I buy drum mags.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: tonymctones on March 31, 2017, 07:23:14 PM
each intruder was shot once so the 10 clip magazine in CA woud have been more than sufficient
By that logic he should have been limited to 3 rounds.

LMFAO and what exactly is a "10 clip magazine"?

Hahah you clueless fuck
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: polychronopolous on March 31, 2017, 07:27:39 PM
By that logic he should have been limited to 3 rounds.

LMFAO and what exactly is a "10 clip magazine"?

Hahah you clueless fuck

Interesting how he put 'clip' and 'magazine' together.

This is the type of ignorance we are up against.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Straw Man on March 31, 2017, 08:31:48 PM
By that logic he should have been limited to 3 rounds.

LMFAO and what exactly is a "10 clip magazine"?

Hahah you clueless fuck

as always

you're confused

just pointing out he had 3 x the ammo he needed (+ 1)

10 shot clip vs 12 shot clip made no difference

do you want to talk debate the "need" for a larger clip for a handgun?
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: chaos on March 31, 2017, 09:06:19 PM
as always

you're confused

just pointing out he had 3 x the ammo he needed (+ 1)

10 shot clip vs 12 shot clip made no difference

do you want to talk debate the "need" for a larger clip for a handgun?
Do you think you're qualified to have a discussion about something you obviously know so little about?
I would suggest you start by learning the difference between a clip and a magazine and what each is used for.
And what difference would it have made of he had a 100 rnd drum mag?
What is the "need" for a smaller "clip"?
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Straw Man on March 31, 2017, 09:07:19 PM
Do you think you're qualified to have a discussion about something you obviously know so little about?
I would suggest you start by learning the difference between a clip and a magazine and what each is used for.
And what difference would it have made of he had a 100 rnd drum mag?
What is the "need" for a smaller "clip"?

feel free to educate me

what did this guy have?
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 31, 2017, 09:36:32 PM
To protect his family he would have been justified using a fucking tank.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: illuminati on April 01, 2017, 12:02:37 AM
feel free to educate me

what did this guy have?




1st off let me state I know very little about Guns.
So The Below Statement may not be entirely correct.

A clip is a device that is used to store multiple rounds of ammunition together as a unit, ready for insertion into the magazine or cylinder of a firearm. ... The defining difference between clips and magazines is the presence of a feed mechanism in a magazine, typically a spring-loaded follower, which a clip lacks.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: tonymctones on April 01, 2017, 04:21:58 AM
as always

you're confused

just pointing out he had 3 x the ammo he needed (+ 1)

10 shot clip vs 12 shot clip made no difference

do you want to talk debate the "need" for a larger clip for a handgun?
You don't know what he needed, he could have hit all three with his last three rounds. That means he may have only got 1 with a 10 round mag ::)

What you're pointing out is your ignorance on the subject and the fact you know very little about guns.

I bet you're the type of person that sees these police shootings and asks "why cant they just shoot them in the legs?"
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: mazrim on April 01, 2017, 09:55:32 AM
Reads like a comedic article:


http://americangg.net/dead-criminals-family-complains/
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Straw Man on April 01, 2017, 10:15:40 AM
You don't know what he needed, he could have hit all three with his last three rounds. That means he may have only got 1 with a 10 round mag ::)

What you're pointing out is your ignorance on the subject and the fact you know very little about guns.

I bet you're the type of person that sees these police shootings and asks "why cant they just shoot them in the legs?"

just exactly like you don't know he needed a 12 round clip ::)

and just so you're not confused these people were armed and in his house and I'm perfectly fine with this guy shooting to kill

isn't that what you're supposed to do if you point a gun at someone?

I don't see any significant difference between 10 and 12 rounds

I don't see any need for someone to have a 33 round magazine like the Tuscon Shooter or the shooter in Aurora who supposedly had a 100-round drum magazine

Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: chaos on April 01, 2017, 12:29:10 PM
just exactly like you don't know he needed a 12 round clip ::)

and just so you're not confused these people were armed and in his house and I'm perfectly fine with this guy shooting to kill

isn't that what you're supposed to do if you point a gun at someone?

I don't see any significant difference between 10 and 12 rounds

I don't see any need for someone to have a 33 round magazine like the Tuscon Shooter or the shooter in Aurora who supposedly had a 100-round drum magazine


How do you know what someone else needs? Maybe some people feel the need to have more than 10 rnd mags, what's the harm?
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: TuHolmes on April 01, 2017, 02:15:23 PM
The more rounds the better.

Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: HockeyFightFan on April 01, 2017, 02:43:49 PM
just exactly like you don't know he needed a 12 round clip ::)

and just so you're not confused these people were armed and in his house and I'm perfectly fine with this guy shooting to kill

isn't that what you're supposed to do if you point a gun at someone?

I don't see any significant difference between 10 and 12 rounds

I don't see any need for someone to have a 33 round magazine like the Tuscon Shooter or the shooter in Aurora who supposedly had a 100-round drum magazine



Jared Loughner had a 30 round magazine and one in the chamber to make 31 total. You're still talking out your ass and have no fucking clue what you're bullshitting about.

Just shut the fuck up, you're more full of shit than 240 and ESF combined.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Las Vegas on April 01, 2017, 05:03:31 PM
Barack Obama: "I don't believe people should be able to own guns."
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: tonymctones on April 01, 2017, 05:17:22 PM
just exactly like you don't know he needed a 12 round clip ::)

and just so you're not confused these people were armed and in his house and I'm perfectly fine with this guy shooting to kill

isn't that what you're supposed to do if you point a gun at someone?

I don't see any significant difference between 10 and 12 rounds

I don't see any need for someone to have a 33 round magazine like the Tuscon Shooter or the shooter in Aurora who supposedly had a 100-round drum magazine


If you don't see any significant difference between 10 and 12 then why cap them at 10?

What are you basing your view on that no one needs a 30 round mag?
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Core on April 01, 2017, 06:57:28 PM
Jared Loughner had a 30 round magazine and one in the chamber to make 31 total. You're still talking out your ass and have no fucking clue what you're bullshitting about.

Just shut the fuck up, you're more full of shit than 240 and ESF combined.

Exactly. 33 round magazine? It doesn't exist. Clearly mr man straw doesn't know the first thing about firearms and would suffer ptsd from being in the same room as one. I imagine he would have suicidal thoughts from watching a violent movie with firearms in it, and would likely act on those thoughts after touching one.


Absolutely nothing wrong with having hi capacity mags. In fact they should be encouraged as they equalize things significantly in case of violent criminals who dont abide by laws and use automatic weapons with high capacity magazines. Or other 'forces' who employ firearms with high rates of fire and large magazine. The point of us having guns in the first place is to be able to defend ourselves from tyranny, in whatever form that may manifest itself. Be it localized criminals, or the wider criminals in our government. Guns are here to stay, and stupid liberals need to accept that. There are far too many in the US to be taken now, if the citizens even allowed such a lawa to be passed.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: calfzilla on April 02, 2017, 12:33:49 AM
Should have just called 911 and waited 10 minutes for the police to arrive.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: polychronopolous on April 03, 2017, 10:20:31 AM
each intruder was shot once so the 10 clip magazine in CA woud have been more than sufficient

Check out my new avatar signature  :D
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Yamcha on April 03, 2017, 10:26:02 AM
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120 rounds? LOL.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Skeletor on April 03, 2017, 11:13:25 AM
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120 rounds? LOL.

That must be a 120 clip magazine lollipop?
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Tedim on April 03, 2017, 11:25:12 AM
Can you explain to me how this "10 clip magazine" works?

duct taped together with a spacer or 5 up 5 down banana clipped also with duct tape
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Straw Man on April 03, 2017, 11:54:17 AM
Jared Loughner had a 30 round magazine and one in the chamber to make 31 total. You're still talking out your ass and have no fucking clue what you're bullshitting about.

Just shut the fuck up, you're more full of shit than 240 and ESF combined.

are you seriously this fucking stupid (rhetorical question...of course you are)

do you really think it makes any difference to the argument whether it was 30 rounds or 33 rounds

Also, it was widely reported from multiple sources that he had multiple magazines with one capable of holding 33 rounds

Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Straw Man on April 03, 2017, 11:56:02 AM
Exactly. 33 round magazine? It doesn't exist. Clearly mr man straw doesn't know the first thing about firearms and would suffer ptsd from being in the same room as one. I imagine he would have suicidal thoughts from watching a violent movie with firearms in it, and would likely act on those thoughts after touching one.


Absolutely nothing wrong with having hi capacity mags. In fact they should be encouraged as they equalize things significantly in case of violent criminals who dont abide by laws and use automatic weapons with high capacity magazines. Or other 'forces' who employ firearms with high rates of fire and large magazine. The point of us having guns in the first place is to be able to defend ourselves from tyranny, in whatever form that may manifest itself. Be it localized criminals, or the wider criminals in our government. Guns are here to stay, and stupid liberals need to accept that. There are far too many in the US to be taken now, if the citizens even allowed such a lawa to be passed.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/116453/glock-magazine-gen-4-glock-17-19-26-34-9mm-luger-33-round-polymer-black
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: falco on April 03, 2017, 12:44:12 PM
WYHI the 21yo gettaway driver.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: illuminati on April 03, 2017, 01:16:14 PM
Barack Obama: "I don't believe people should be able to own guns."



He forgot add except for his security team & Police.  ::)
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Straw Man on April 03, 2017, 01:48:46 PM
Barack Obama: "I don't believe people should be able to own guns."

does that "quote" actually exist anywhere in writing, on audio or video tape?
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: tonymctones on April 03, 2017, 02:12:20 PM
are you seriously this fucking stupid (rhetorical question...of course you are)

do you really think it makes any difference to the argument whether it was 30 rounds or 33 rounds

Also, it was widely reported from multiple sources that he had multiple magazines with one capable of holding 33 rounds


What argument? All you have said so far is you don't see the need for them. You haven't explained why you feel that way and what it's based on.

Basically at this point you've made a statement not an argument
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Straw Man on April 03, 2017, 02:39:17 PM
What argument? All you have said so far is you don't see the need for them. You haven't explained why you feel that way and what it's based on.

Basically at this point you've made a statement not an argument

Do you know of any instances where a homeowner or private citizen needed a high capacity magazine to defend their home or themselves (not talking about the 12 round one in the shooting in OK)

Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: tonymctones on April 03, 2017, 03:33:08 PM
Do you know of any instances where a homeowner or private citizen needed a high capacity magazine to defend their home or themselves (not talking about the 12 round one in the shooting in OK)
First define "high capacity magazine"

Why would you not take into account the OK shooting when speaking about this?

Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Straw Man on April 03, 2017, 03:44:40 PM
First define "high capacity magazine"

Why would you not take into account the OK shooting when speaking about this?



I'm sure you know what I'm referring to but let's just say the 30 or 33 round ones that we've been talking about in this thread

the OK shooter had a 12 round magazine.  I don't see much difference between 10 and 12 or for that matter 8 or 10 (again the OK shooter killed each person with a single shot)
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Skeletor on April 03, 2017, 04:27:12 PM
No charges against Oklahoma man who killed 3 intruders

Quote
"It is the opinion of this office that Zachary Peters acted justifiably ... when he used deadly force to defend his home," said Wagoner County Assistant District Attorney Jack Thorp. "It was clear he operated completely within the law when he used deadly force," Thorp later told The Associated Press.

Quote
Wagoner County Sheriff Chris Elliott said he supports the decision not to charge Peters.
"We support the right of our citizens, the right to bear arms and to defend their homes," Elliott said. "In this such case, we feel strongly that's what took place here."
“The facts in this case are very solid, these individuals chose to go to this house, they chose to break into this house, they chose to forcibly enter into the house, and because of those decisions they lost their life,"

http://www.wral.com/no-charges-against-oklahoma-man-who-killed-3-intruders/16622996/
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Dos Equis on April 03, 2017, 05:03:29 PM
No charges against Oklahoma man who killed 3 intruders

http://www.wral.com/no-charges-against-oklahoma-man-who-killed-3-intruders/16622996/

Good.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: tonymctones on April 03, 2017, 05:34:23 PM
I'm sure you know what I'm referring to but let's just say the 30 or 33 round ones that we've been talking about in this thread

the OK shooter had a 12 round magazine.  I don't see much difference between 10 and 12 or for that matter 8 or 10 (again the OK shooter killed each person with a single shot)
Actually I don't know what you're talking about. That's because the people who want to limit gun rights generally take broad liberties when defining things like "assault rifle", "high capacity magazine", "automatic weapon" etc...

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/homeowner-shoots-injures-home-invaders_nkncr/53717460

What does it matter how many rounds it took to kill them intruders? Are you under the impression that you only need 1 round per intruder?
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: chaos on April 03, 2017, 05:41:25 PM
I'm sure you know what I'm referring to but let's just say the 30 or 33 round ones that we've been talking about in this thread

the OK shooter had a 12 round magazine.  I don't see much difference between 10 and 12 or for that matter 8 or 10 (again the OK shooter killed each person with a single shot)
Not sure what you mean here...do you see much difference between 8 and 12?
I don't see any reason for cars to have a top speed exceeding 55mph. Think of the lives that could be saved every year!
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: HockeyFightFan on April 03, 2017, 06:07:03 PM
are you seriously this fucking stupid (rhetorical question...of course you are)

do you really think it makes any difference to the argument whether it was 30 rounds or 33 rounds

Also, it was widely reported from multiple sources that he had multiple magazines with one capable of holding 33 rounds



In other words you quoted shit you had no fucking clue about and thought it was the truth.

Or maybe he had "skinny" bullets?

What a complete fucking retard, same shit you cry your eyes out at Coach over.

Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: TuHolmes on April 03, 2017, 07:55:04 PM
Actually I don't know what you're talking about. That's because the people who want to limit gun rights generally take broad liberties when defining things like "assault rifle", "high capacity magazine", "automatic weapon" etc...

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/homeowner-shoots-injures-home-invaders_nkncr/53717460

What does it matter how many rounds it took to kill them intruders? Are you under the impression that you only need 1 round per intruder?


That's all I need.  ;D

I'd still empty the mag on them... What good is buying ammo if you don't shoot it?
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: SOMEPARTS on April 03, 2017, 11:31:40 PM
The decision to use deadly force is made. It doesn't matter how many rounds are used at that point. You shoot until empty or threat is over. Usually both.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 04, 2017, 05:24:21 AM
Do you know of any instances where a homeowner or private citizen needed a high capacity magazine to defend their home or themselves (not talking about the 12 round one in the shooting in OK)



Don't worry - you and Andreisyourhusband cant fight off muggers and robbers w giant dildos
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 04, 2017, 05:27:49 AM
just exactly like you don't know he needed a 12 round clip ::)

and just so you're not confused these people were armed and in his house and I'm perfectly fine with this guy shooting to kill

isn't that what you're supposed to do if you point a gun at someone?

I don't see any significant difference between 10 and 12 rounds

I don't see any need for someone to have a 33 round magazine like the Tuscon Shooter or the shooter in Aurora who supposedly had a 100-round drum magazine



You are an idiot - really - just stop - what you personally see is irrelevent to the discussion.

You come across just like the little fairy in this video

 ;D :D

 
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: falco on April 04, 2017, 08:54:21 AM
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Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Straw Man on April 04, 2017, 09:03:06 AM
Actually I don't know what you're talking about. That's because the people who want to limit gun rights generally take broad liberties when defining things like "assault rifle", "high capacity magazine", "automatic weapon" etc...

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/homeowner-shoots-injures-home-invaders_nkncr/53717460

What does it matter how many rounds it took to kill them intruders? Are you under the impression that you only need 1 round per intruder?


Hmm, you can't give even one example where a homeowner needed a high capacity magazine to defend themselves

I can show you many many examples where a gunman used a weapon with a high capacity magazine to kill a lot of people

I guess the only conclusion is we can do nothing to LOWER the carnage.  Can't even try.  Just no point

And what's the reason we an even try or make any effort at all?
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Straw Man on April 04, 2017, 09:05:36 AM
Not sure what you mean here...do you see much difference between 8 and 12?
I don't see any reason for cars to have a top speed exceeding 55mph. Think of the lives that could be saved every year!

Nope, I don't much difference between 8, 10 or 12

I see a big difference between 10 and 30 and not just a % but actual bullet count

Not sure why you decided to  bring up automobiles

Are cars primary use as weapons

Are most auto accidents and deaths due to speed above 55 mph hour or are they most due to drunk driving, bad weather, careless driving etc..

Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: TuHolmes on April 04, 2017, 09:21:55 AM
Nope, I don't much difference between 8, 10 or 12

I see a big difference between 10 and 30 and not just a % but actual bullet count

Not sure why you decided to  bring up automobiles

Are cars primary use as weapons

Are most auto accidents and deaths due to speed above 55 mph hour or are they most due to drunk driving, bad weather, careless driving etc..



Actually most accidents are not because of drunk driving or bad weather. That is a fact. Speed is also not a large part of it.

You have to define careless driving because that's not just one thing.

If you said driver inattentiveness I may go along with it though. I do believe that's number one.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Straw Man on April 04, 2017, 09:34:31 AM
Actually most accidents are not because of drunk driving or bad weather. That is a fact. Speed is also not a large part of it.

You have to define careless driving because that's not just one thing.

If you said driver inattentiveness I may go along with it though. I do believe that's number one.

well, I just asked the question

I'm not sure why people always like to conflate cars or other things when talking about guns
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: chaos on April 04, 2017, 09:42:34 AM
well, I just asked the question

I'm not sure why people always like to conflate cars or other things when talking about guns

It's a simple comparison in regulation, didn't mean to confuse you. ::)
I don't understand why some people feel regulating guns and ammo is OK.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Straw Man on April 04, 2017, 10:56:58 AM
It's a simple comparison in regulation, didn't mean to confuse you. ::)
I don't understand why some people feel regulating guns and ammo is OK.

the only confusion I have is why you think cars and guns have anything in common or why you think cars and speed limits have anything to do with guns
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Bear232 on April 04, 2017, 11:51:41 AM
just exactly like you don't know he needed a 12 round clip ::)

and just so you're not confused these people were armed and in his house and I'm perfectly fine with this guy shooting to kill

isn't that what you're supposed to do if you point a gun at someone?

I don't see any significant difference between 10 and 12 rounds

I don't see any need for someone to have a 33 round magazine like the Tuscon Shooter or the shooter in Aurora who supposedly had a 100-round drum magazine



The point is your opinion doesn't matter.   You need as many rounds as you need.   Guns malfunction which may require to reload.   Magazines may malfunction or wear over time.   Your argument over 'need' does not trump someones ability to protect life and property.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: chaos on April 04, 2017, 11:54:14 AM
the only confusion I have is why you think cars and guns have anything in common or why you think cars and speed limits have anything to do with guns
That's because you're a liberal moron that needs everything spelled out in crayon. :)
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: TuHolmes on April 04, 2017, 12:18:08 PM
the only confusion I have is why you think cars and guns have anything in common or why you think cars and speed limits have anything to do with guns

Guns are a protected constitutional right, and cars are not.

That's really all that matters in this instance.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: mazrim on April 04, 2017, 03:21:19 PM
Guns are a protected constitutional right, and cars are not.

That's really all that matters in this instance.
Yep.

Also, let's not get away from the fact that Grasping's original point was that the 12 was too much. He only needed three because everyone is Clint Eastwood, etc. Sidetrack city to somewhere he felt on more solid ground.

Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Twaddle on April 04, 2017, 04:02:47 PM
30 clip magazines for the win!   :D
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: tonymctones on April 04, 2017, 04:26:02 PM
Hmm, you can't give even one example where a homeowner needed a high capacity magazine to defend themselves

I can show you many many examples where a gunman used a weapon with a high capacity magazine to kill a lot of people

I guess the only conclusion is we can do nothing to LOWER the carnage.  Can't even try.  Just no point

And what's the reason we an even try or make any effort at all?
Lol the link i posted had an incident where the homeowner shot like 40 times.

LMFAO the amount of people you can find killed by people utilizing a high capacity mag is a very small % of the overall people killed by guns.

You're creating a boogeyman which isn't real to push your agenda...in other words, a straw man
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Las Vegas on April 04, 2017, 08:14:27 PM
does that "quote" actually exist anywhere in writing, on audio or video tape?

That I'm unaware of any denial or clarification is what concerns me more than anything else.  Do you know of anything?  Maybe you do.

I'm sure you won't deny it's a strange thing to say.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Las Vegas on April 04, 2017, 09:02:22 PM
Hmm, you can't give even one example where a homeowner needed a high capacity magazine to defend themselves

I can show you many many examples where a gunman used a weapon with a high capacity magazine to kill a lot of people


I guess the only conclusion is we can do nothing to LOWER the carnage.  Can't even try.  Just no point

And what's the reason we an even try or make any effort at all?

You can't deny, though, that the one thing is what's reported on (people getting killed) while the other isn't (deaths prevented by protective measures) and that it makes a fundamental flaw in perception.

That's why the "gun control" movement is false, and nothing but a creation of media.

All true.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Conker on April 05, 2017, 06:10:57 AM
people don't need guns. period. for every case like this where access to a gun possibly saved lives, there's 10+ cases where access to a gun led to loss of life. 
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Las Vegas on April 05, 2017, 07:40:49 AM
people don't need guns. period. for every case like this where access to a gun possibly saved lives, there's 10+ cases where access to a gun led to loss of life.  

Lmao, the second sentence begins by denying the first sentence, before finishing with a wild guess.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Yamcha on April 05, 2017, 07:44:57 AM
people don't need guns. period. for every case like this where access to a gun possibly saved lives, there's 10+ cases where access to a gun led to loss of life. 

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Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: falco on April 05, 2017, 08:18:05 AM
Lăl
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: chaos on April 05, 2017, 12:23:56 PM
people don't need guns. period. for every case like this where access to a gun possibly saved lives, there's 10+ cases where access to a gun led to loss of life. 
Nobody needed your shitty opinion, yet here you are.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Twaddle on April 05, 2017, 12:39:14 PM
6 shots is really all that is needed.   :-\
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Yamcha on April 05, 2017, 01:29:39 PM
6 shots is really all that is needed.   :-\

For a shotgun, yes!

Except this Kel-Tec has a 7+7+1 capacity that I am quite fond of:

(https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13250623_f520.jpg)
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: chaos on April 05, 2017, 04:35:57 PM
For a shotgun, yes!

Except this Kel-Tec has a 7+7+1 capacity that I am quite fond of:

(https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13250623_f520.jpg)
Careful racking too fast.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2017, 04:39:48 PM
Straw avoiding further humiliation in this thread like the plague
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Twaddle on April 05, 2017, 04:59:48 PM
Careful racking too fast.

What happens if you rack to fast?  Will it break?   ???
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: tonymctones on April 05, 2017, 05:37:30 PM
For a shotgun, yes!

Except this Kel-Tec has a 7+7+1 capacity that I am quite fond of:

(https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13250623_f520.jpg)
UTAS has a 12 gauge based on the AR platform for about the same price as the kel tec. I was waiting for the price of the kel tec to come down and saw this.

http://www.utas-usa.com/semiautoshotgun/xtr-12-tungsten

I have yet to see one at a gun show. I have an issue with buying a gun I have never physically held or seen before but I have heard good things so far.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: HockeyFightFan on April 05, 2017, 05:53:51 PM
Straw avoiding further humiliation in this thread like the plague

He has 33 reasons in his clip for avoiding it...
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Skeletor on April 05, 2017, 06:01:46 PM
For a shotgun, yes!

Except this Kel-Tec has a 7+7+1 capacity that I am quite fond of:

(https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13250623_f520.jpg)

Per snowflake standards, this must qualify as an assault weapon of mass destruction with high capacity 10 clip magazine filled with depleted uranium bullets and is used extensively for clubbing baby seals.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Las Vegas on April 05, 2017, 07:10:23 PM
people don't need guns. period. for every case like this where access to a gun possibly saved lives, there's 10+ cases where access to a gun led to loss of life. 

 ;D  Still can't stop lol'ing at this post.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Dos Equis on April 05, 2017, 07:23:41 PM
;D  Still can't stop lol'ing at this post.

And to think there are people with that mindset in our legislatures.   :-\
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: TuHolmes on April 05, 2017, 08:12:17 PM
people don't need guns. period. for every case like this where access to a gun possibly saved lives, there's 10+ cases where access to a gun led to loss of life. 

Whenever I read this shit, I think about how the US was founded on individuals taking up arms against an oppressive government. The first thing despots do is take away the citizens ability to defend itself.

Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: chaos on April 05, 2017, 08:48:16 PM
What happens if you rack to fast?  Will it break?   ???
No, I had just read a story awhile back about people slamming their hands forward too fast and slipping off the forward grip potentially putting that hand in front of the barrel.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: HockeyFightFan on April 05, 2017, 09:18:12 PM
Whenever I read this shit, I think about how the US was founded on individuals taking up arms against an oppressive government. The first thing despots do is take away the citizens ability to defend itself.


Tu, on the front lines of getbiggers against oppressive governments, we take up arms using front double bi poses!
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 05, 2017, 09:19:18 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c6/03/3a/c6033ae299b44f885c01d02a35a122c8.jpg)

ROFLMAO ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Twaddle on April 06, 2017, 06:01:58 AM
No, I had just read a story awhile back about people slamming their hands forward too fast and slipping off the forward grip potentially putting that hand in front of the barrel.

 :o :o :o
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Las Vegas on April 06, 2017, 08:44:04 AM
And to think there are people with that mindset in our legislatures.   :-\

Yeah, so it isn't "really" funny I know.  It's not at all funny, in fact.  It's a combination of tragic, stupid, frightful, and incredible.

Anti-Gun Argument = ALL Emotion, ZERO Logic.

Get your estrogen in check, Conker, and quit babbling.  Next thing you know, you'll be growing tits.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Straw Man on April 06, 2017, 10:38:11 AM
The point is your opinion doesn't matter.   You need as many rounds as you need.   Guns malfunction which may require to reload.   Magazines may malfunction or wear over time.   Your argument over 'need' does not trump someones ability to protect life and property.

hey looks like we have something in common
I couldn't get less of a shit about your opinion either

turns out the OK shooter only needed three shots to defend himself - one for each dead burglar

why don't cops use 33 round magazines in their guns

seems like a cop is much more likely to need to defend himself than anyone else
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Straw Man on April 06, 2017, 10:47:29 AM
Guns are a protected constitutional right, and cars are not.

That's really all that matters in this instance.

and well regulated too

don't forget that part

btw - just so there is no confusion (I know people like to change me argument to whatever it is they want to defend - not saying you're doing that but just want to be clear)....I have no issue with guns, gun ownership, self defense, etc.

just pointing out the fact that large capacity magazines are used in many mass shooting events yet I don't see cops using them or any evidence that they are needed for home defense

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/high-capacity-magazines-mass-shootings

Now, if anyone wants to dispute that and show some proof that if fine with me

What should be done?

I assume the conclusion of this board is absolutely nothing

I'm fine with that.

That's settle the debate once and for all

Mass shootings will continue to happen in this country, they are a part of life and there is nothing we can do about it.

In fact, they are so common in this country that it's kind of our thing.  It's just part of life in this country kind of like obesity and diabetes

Anyone disagree with that

Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Yamcha on April 06, 2017, 10:50:25 AM
and well regulated too

don't forget that part

btw - just so there is no confusion (I know people like to change me argument to whatever it is they want to defend - not saying you're doing that but just want to be clear)....I have no issue with guns, gun ownership, self defense, etc.

just pointing out the fact that large capacity magazines are used in many mass shooting events yet I don't see cops using them or any evidence that they are needed for home defense

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/high-capacity-magazines-mass-shootings

Now, if anyone wants to dispute that and show some proof that if fine with me

What should be done?

I assume the conclusion of this board is absolutely nothing

I'm fine with that.

That's settle the debate once and for all

Mass shootings will continue to happen in this country, they are a part of life and there is nothing we can do about it.

In fact, they are so common in this country that it's kind of our thing.  It's just part of life in this country kind of like obesity and diabetes

Anyone disagree with that



Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: TuHolmes on April 06, 2017, 10:56:17 AM
and well regulated too

don't forget that part

btw - just so there is no confusion (I know people like to change me argument to whatever it is they want to defend - not saying you're doing that but just want to be clear)....I have no issue with guns, gun ownership, self defense, etc.

just pointing out the fact that large capacity magazines are used in many mass shooting events yet I don't see cops using them or any evidence that they are needed for home defense

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/high-capacity-magazines-mass-shootings

Now, if anyone wants to dispute that and show some proof that if fine with me

What should be done?

I assume the conclusion of this board is absolutely nothing

I'm fine with that.

That's settle the debate once and for all

Mass shootings will continue to happen in this country, they are a part of life and there is nothing we can do about it.

In fact, they are so common in this country that it's kind of our thing.  It's just part of life in this country kind of like obesity and diabetes

Anyone disagree with that



Actually, it's the militia that is stated to be regulated, not the right to bear arms.

That right to keep and bear arms is to "not be infringed". You know what that means.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Grammar is important in this phrase.

Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 06, 2017, 10:59:35 AM
and well regulated too

don't forget that part

btw - just so there is no confusion (I know people like to change me argument to whatever it is they want to defend - not saying you're doing that but just want to be clear)....I have no issue with guns, gun ownership, self defense, etc.

just pointing out the fact that large capacity magazines are used in many mass shooting events yet I don't see cops using them or any evidence that they are needed for home defense

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/high-capacity-magazines-mass-shootings

Now, if anyone wants to dispute that and show some proof that if fine with me

What should be done?

I assume the conclusion of this board is absolutely nothing

I'm fine with that.

That's settle the debate once and for all

Mass shootings will continue to happen in this country, they are a part of life and there is nothing we can do about it.

In fact, they are so common in this country that it's kind of our thing.  It's just part of life in this country kind of like obesity and diabetes

Anyone disagree with that



Dispute what? That we have some crazy people in the world? You listed 32 mass shootings within a 30 year span. As of today approximately 44-46% of households own a firearm. Out of that how many do you suspect will commit a mass murder? You want to take away the rights of the majority when only a few committed a mass murder. Your logic doesn't add up.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Straw Man on April 06, 2017, 11:14:04 AM
Actually, it's the militia that is stated to be regulated, not the right to bear arms.

That right to keep and bear arms is to "not be infringed". You know what that means.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Grammar is important in this phrase.



grammar is important and no one really knows for sure what the founders intended when the meant "arms" or even "well regulated".  We know what "arms" were at that time so for those strict strict constitutionalist types I'm fine with anyone owning any "arm" available at the time the constitution was written.

we'd also have to know the exact definition of a militia that that time

Also, a common definition of "well regulated" at that time was something that was in proper working order

Let's put that aside for the moment

I have a few questions

Do we regulate weapons in this country (or in some cases by state or local ordinance?)

Do we take away peoples  rights in this country (for example where does it say in the Constitution that felons should not be allowed to vote or own guns?).   I personally don't agree with this.  I'd like to see the NRA which cares about the Constitution add this to their cause.  

Finally, my original question (or rather statement) and you can even ignore the other questions....
- Can't we all just agree that there is NOTHING we can do about mass shootings or gun violence in this country.  It's just part of our heritage.   Let's just all admit that and stop being upset, alarmed or surprised when this happens.  

Can we agree on that?

I would be totally fine with that
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: TuHolmes on April 06, 2017, 11:32:59 AM
grammar is important and no one really knows for sure what the founders intended when the meant "arms" or even "well regulated".  We know what "arms" were at that time so for those strict strict constitutionalist types I'm fine with anyone owning any "arm" available at the time the constitution was written.

we'd also have to know the exact definition of a militia that that time

Also, a common definition of "well regulated" at that time was something that was in proper working order

Let's put that aside for the moment

I have a few questions

Do we regulate weapons in this country (or in some cases by state or local ordinance?)


We do. I don't agree with it, but yes.

Quote

Do we take away peoples  rights in this country (for example where does it say in the Constitution that felons should not be allowed to vote or own guns?).   I personally don't agree with this.  I'd like to see the NRA which cares about the Constitution add this to their cause.  


Yes, we do, and I'm also against that.

Quote

Finally, my original question (or rather statement) and you can even ignore the other questions....
- Can't we all just agree that there is NOTHING we can do about mass shootings or gun violence in this country.  It's just part of our heritage.   Let's just all admit that and stop being upset, alarmed or surprised when this happens.  

Can we agree on that?

I would be totally fine with that

Yes. I am not alarmed by it at all. It sucks, but the number of mass shootings is relatively small compared to a great many other things that hurt people in this country.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Straw Man on April 06, 2017, 11:38:52 AM
We do. I don't agree with it, but yes.

Yes, we do, and I'm also against that.

Yes. I am not alarmed by it at all. It sucks, but the number of mass shootings is relatively small compared to a great many other things that hurt people in this country.


you are I are in total agreement

Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2017, 11:42:14 AM
Straw - go read Heller decision  and get back to us. 
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Straw Man on April 06, 2017, 11:47:22 AM
Straw - go read Heller decision  and get back to us. 

summarize it for us

Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2017, 11:50:11 AM
summarize it for us



Summary - 99% of the falsities and idiocy you spew on gun control issues is already decided and ruled on by the SC. 

Now go get your shine box.       
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Straw Man on April 06, 2017, 11:57:48 AM
Summary - 99% of the falsities and idiocy you spew on gun control issues is already decided and ruled on by the SC. 

Now go get your shine box.       

so when I say that I'm fine with anyone having guns and that gun violence is just part of this country the Heller decision says that is false?
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Twaddle on April 06, 2017, 03:15:05 PM
A reliable revolver is really all anyone needs.   :-\
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Conker on April 06, 2017, 03:25:44 PM
you poor brainwashed faggets really think your guns are protecting you when all the credible data shows that the residents of homes without guns are far and away safer than those in homes with guns.






Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: TuHolmes on April 06, 2017, 03:36:37 PM
you poor brainwashed faggets really think your guns are protecting you when all the credible data shows that the residents of homes without guns are far and away safer than those in homes with guns.


Please show this data.

How can any study know what house does or does not have a gun? Most states do not require registrations for handguns or shotguns, so I would wonder how they collect this "data" you speak of.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: tonymctones on April 06, 2017, 03:55:00 PM
you poor brainwashed faggets really think your guns are protecting you when all the credible data shows that the residents of homes without guns are far and away safer than those in homes with guns.
these stats have been cited for years and are incredibly misleading.

They include domestic violence with guns and suicides. Domestic violence doesn't occur b/c of guns and neither do suicides. These issues would be there with or without the gun.

It also only cites instances where a gun is fired as being used in self defense. Anybody who knows anything about guns knows that you don't have to use it for it to be a deterrent.

Guns are used a lot more in self defense every year than there are deaths from guns...even taking into account suicides which are the majority of gun deaths.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Conker on April 06, 2017, 04:01:21 PM
Please show this data.

How can any study know what house does or does not have a gun? Most states do not require registrations for handguns or shotguns, so I would wonder how they collect this "data" you speak of.

there's one for you

 "we found that keeping a gun in the home was strongly and independently associated with an increased risk of homicide (adjusted odds ratio, 2.7; 95 percent confidence interval, 1.6 to 4.4). Virtually all of this risk involved homicide by a family member or intimate acquaintance."

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: TuHolmes on April 06, 2017, 04:04:49 PM
there's one for you

 "we found that keeping a gun in the home was strongly and independently associated with an increased risk of homicide (adjusted odds ratio, 2.7; 95 percent confidence interval, 1.6 to 4.4). Virtually all of this risk involved homicide by a family member or intimate acquaintance."

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506

Damn. You had to pull out a 25 year old paper to show that if you have a gun in the house and family members get into a heated argument, that someone may die.

Holy shit.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Conker on April 06, 2017, 04:11:53 PM
these stats have been cited for years and are incredibly misleading.

They include domestic violence with guns and suicides. Domestic violence doesn't occur b/c of guns and neither do suicides. These issues would be there with or without the gun.

It also only cites instances where a gun is fired as being used in self defense. Anybody who knows anything about guns knows that you don't have to use it for it to be a deterrent.

Guns are used a lot more in self defense every year than there are deaths from guns...even taking into account suicides which are the majority of gun deaths.

they're peer reviewed studies.

but you'd prefer to dismiss them and instead listen to the mumbo jumbo propagated by those making billions off the back of the gun trade. 
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Conker on April 06, 2017, 04:13:11 PM
Damn. You had to pull out a 25 year old paper to show that if you have a gun in the house and family members get into a heated argument, that someone may die.

Holy shit.

you think 'things' have drastically changed since then?

there's several more recent ones if you care to look
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: TuHolmes on April 06, 2017, 04:21:11 PM
you think 'things' have drastically changed since then?

there's several more recent ones if you care to look

I think that crime as a whole has decreased drastically over the past 30 years. In all ways.

Also, they mention that drugs are a big factor in the rates related to homicides of other family members.

Those statistics are only looking at people killed by guns in the home as well, it requires a victim. The fact that none of these studies can really determine is how many people own guns because those are numbers that you can not know.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Las Vegas on April 06, 2017, 04:51:07 PM
Impossible to determine the protective and preventative value involved, yeah.

Anyone honestly thinking about it, should see the whole thing is built on lies and distortion.  Not even close.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Twaddle on April 06, 2017, 04:54:11 PM
there's one for you

 "we found that keeping a gun in the home was strongly and independently associated with an increased risk of homicide (adjusted odds ratio, 2.7; 95 percent confidence interval, 1.6 to 4.4). Virtually all of this risk involved homicide by a family member or intimate acquaintance."

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506

CONCLUSIONS
The use of illicit drugs and a history of physical fights in the home are important risk factors for homicide in the home. Rather than confer protection, guns kept in the home are associated with an increase in the risk of homicide by a family member or intimate acquaintance.


So, let me get this straight.  Gun owners, who use drugs and have a history of physical fights within the home, or at an increased risk of homicide in their house?   ???

Absolutely shocking!  I'm going to sell all of my guns immediately.   ::)
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: chaos on April 06, 2017, 06:57:12 PM


Absolutely shocking!  I'm going to sell all of my guns immediately.   ::)
PM Sent ;)
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: chaos on April 06, 2017, 07:05:41 PM
and well regulated too

don't forget that part

btw - just so there is no confusion (I know people like to change me argument to whatever it is they want to defend - not saying you're doing that but just want to be clear)....I have no issue with guns, gun ownership, self defense, etc.

just pointing out the fact that large capacity magazines are used in many mass shooting events yet I don't see cops using them or any evidence that they are needed for home defense

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/high-capacity-magazines-mass-shootings

Now, if anyone wants to dispute that and show some proof that if fine with me

What should be done?

I assume the conclusion of this board is absolutely nothing

I'm fine with that.

That's settle the debate once and for all

Mass shootings will continue to happen in this country, they are a part of life and there is nothing we can do about it.

In fact, they are so common in this country that it's kind of our thing.  It's just part of life in this country kind of like obesity and diabetes

Anyone disagree with that


Pretty sure cops use the standard 30 rnd mags, have extra rounds in their shotguns and carry probably 17 rounds in their 9mm pistols.
What should be done? Make it easier for people that want to carry a weapon legally to have the ability to do so. (with proper training of course)

I wouldn't say mass shootings are common considering the sheer number of guns in this country, both legal and illegal.

Once again, laws only apply to those willing to obey them. Law abiding citizens suffer when criminals can and do have access to weapons and materials that are deemed illegal for the common folk.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: tonymctones on April 06, 2017, 07:09:17 PM
CONCLUSIONS
The use of illicit drugs and a history of physical fights in the home are important risk factors for homicide in the home. Rather than confer protection, guns kept in the home are associated with an increase in the risk of homicide by a family member or intimate acquaintance.


So, let me get this straight.  Gun owners, who use drugs and have a history of physical fights within the home, or at an increased risk of homicide in their house?   ???

Absolutely shocking!  I'm going to sell all of my guns immediately.   ::)
Exactly!!!

These studies basically blame domestic violence on the fact there's a gun in the home. You mean if you are abusing you're family that you're more likely to shoot them?

Holy fuck man!!!
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: polychronopolous on April 06, 2017, 07:34:55 PM
you poor brainwashed faggets really think your guns are protecting you when all the credible data shows that the residents of homes without guns are far and away safer than those in homes with guns.








Go take a shower.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Twaddle on April 06, 2017, 08:12:24 PM
33 clip magazines for the win!   :)
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Pray_4_War on April 07, 2017, 03:17:16 AM
Something that can't be accurately measured is the many times a person uses a gun to defend his or her-self but nobody gets shot.  Firearms are a great deterrent and just presenting one will often make an attacker immediately flee.  Nobody ever talks about that and it seriously skews all the statistics.  All the "it's more dangerous to own a gun" stats are bullshit.  Absolutely wrong.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2017, 04:10:15 AM
Straw really took it on the chin in this thread. 
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Twaddle on April 07, 2017, 05:29:56 AM
Straw really took it on the chin in this thread. 

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Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Straw Man on April 07, 2017, 12:06:17 PM
Straw really took it on the chin in this thread. 

damn, along with being a moron (did you even read this thread?) you really are a raging closet case

Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2017, 04:20:33 PM
damn, along with being a moron (did you even read this thread?) you really are a raging closet case



You got schlonged pretty bad not knowing a damn thing about firearms
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Straw Man on April 07, 2017, 06:18:41 PM
You got schlonged pretty bad not knowing a damn thing about firearms

like I said previously, you're a flaming closet case who obviously didn't even read this thread
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Pray_4_War on April 08, 2017, 05:22:32 AM
You got schlonged pretty bad not knowing a damn thing about firearms

(https://img.memesuper.com/259a9047c1ec157e89300d1ff08ba23e_meme-he-meme-hes-right-you-hes-right-you-know-meme_800-598.jpeg)

The ones who know the least are often the ones with the most to say on this topic.
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: Twaddle on April 08, 2017, 02:13:42 PM
A reliable 38, or even a 41 is all anyone really needs for protection.   ???
Title: Re: Homeowners son defends himself against 3 intruders with "high capacity" AR-15
Post by: chaos on April 08, 2017, 06:18:33 PM
A reliable 38, or even a 41 is all anyone really needs for protection.   ???
Or an AR15 with a 33 round clip magazine.