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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Straw Man on April 17, 2017, 07:09:48 PM
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It's nice for leaders of other countries to take the time to come to Trumps shitty golf club in Florida to give him private lessons in history and geopolitics.
Trump returns the favor by giving them "the most beautiful piece of chocolate cake that you've ever seen"
Trump on North Korea: “After listening for 10 minutes, I realized it’s not so easy”
President Donald Trump recounted an absolutely astounding detail about one of his conversations with Chinese President Xi Jinping in comments published by the Wall Street Journal on Wednesday afternoon. Apparently, Trump came into his first meeting with the Chinese leader, in early April, convinced that China could simply eliminate the threat posed by North Korea’s nuclear program. Xi then patiently explained Chinese-Korean history to Trump — who then promptly changed his mind.
“After listening for 10 minutes, I realized it’s not so easy,” the president told the Journal. “I felt pretty strongly that they had a tremendous power [over] North Korea. ... But it’s not what you would think.”
Four quick observations about this:
1. Trump thought China could fix North Korea until the Chinese president politely informed him that North Korea is in fact complicated.
2.Trump seems to have required the leader of China to explain basic facts to him that he could have Googled, or at least asked one of the many US government North Korea experts about.
3. Trump came to a profound realization about one of the most dangerous conflicts on earth after a 10-minute conversation.
4. Trump is getting his information about East Asian affairs from the leader of America’s largest rival in the region.
Around the same time the Journal piece was published, North Korea informed reporters to prepare for a “big and important event.” Initial reports suggest that Pyongyang is planning to test a nuclear device for just the sixth time in the country’s history. There’s no word yet on how the Trump administration plans to respond.
http://www.vox.com/2017/4/12/15279654/trump-north-korea-xi-10-minutes
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hahaha what else would you expect from a reality tv star
question now is what does trump do with the great "armada" he sent to deter NK from any further missile tests? after NK completely ignored it and carried out a ballistic missile test right under it's nose.
a) keep the fleet there indefinitely watching NK carry out further tests whenever they choose.
b) slink off with tails between legs with little to no media coverage
c) back up all the sabre rattling with military action
i'm guessing b) is the big fav. possibly a) for a couple months till the sheeple hopefully forget it's there. LOL
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if war does break out, will you support your country?
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"Vox" hahahaha
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"Vox" hahahaha
Did you already "debunk" them? Sorry, I'm trying to keep up.
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Did you already "debunk" them? Sorry, I'm trying to keep up.
the quotes in the Vox article come from an article in the Wall Street Journal
since Trumptard have an à la carte approach to reality I'm sure the WSJ is just as worthless until of course they need to refer to it and then it's the gold standard
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"Vox" hahahaha
We know you prefer "The Conservative Boy Lover Weekly" hahahha
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This is why libs aren't taken seriously....
http://truthfeed.com/editor-of-ultra-liberal-rag-vox-calls-for-riots-at-trump-rallies/5463/
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LMFAO he got china to do more than obama did in 8 years in 4 months.
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Okay OP, please explain to me how a private citizen is supposed to know and understand the complexities of North Korea's relationship with China on his own?
Remind me again how much you know about it? How much any of us do?
What better, more direct source than the president of China?
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Okay OP, please explain to me how a private citizen is supposed to know and understand the complexities of North Korea's relationship with China on his own?
Remind me again how much you know about it? How much any of us do?
What better, more direct source than the president of China?
you would have thought at the very least trump would have people around him capable of briefing him before he goes into a meeting of such magnitude.
LMFAO he got china to do more than obama did in 8 years in 4 months.
what exactly has trump got china to do again ???
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you would have thought at the very least trump would have people around him capable of briefing him before he goes into a meeting of such magnitude.
what exactly has trump got china to do again ???
They stopped importing coal which is one of their biggest sources of revenue, they have amassed troops on their border and have told them they need to stop their nuclear arms development.
All of this since trump took office, what exactly was china doing while Obama was in office?
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They stopped importing coal which is one of their biggest sources of revenue, they have amassed troops on their border and have told them they need to stop their nuclear arms development.
All of this since trump took office, what exactly was china doing while Obama was in office?
They were building man-made islands in the Pacific Ocean.
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They stopped importing coal which is one of their biggest sources of revenue, they have amassed troops on their border and have told them they need to stop their nuclear arms development.
All of this since trump took office, what exactly was china doing while Obama was in office?
Not first time China has done this, have a read of this. was actually a similar embargo last year.
"This is not the first time China announced a type of import ban on North Korean coal in order to comply with UN sanctions. But it has consistently chosen to use the wiggle room provided by vague wording of sanctions regulation."
http://thediplomat.com/2017/02/is-china-serious-about-banning-north-korean-coal/
Direct us to one quote coming out of China that says NK need to stop their nuke tests. Not bs tweets from trump saying they told him this.
I think trump has actually now realized after his recent humiliation of nk carrying out their missile test and threatening to use nukes if the us attempts to attack. That he actually can't do fuck all about nk unless he's willing to up against the Chinese military.
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StraW/Benny/Andre/Option Fat/Abraham = FAT as F!!
Spilling over = one thing - these lard asses are another story.
and F you Option Fat Fuck - you are a bloated mess. Good luck bro with you 50 week diet down
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StraW/Benny/Andre/Option Fat/Abraham = FAT as F!!
Spilling over = one thing - these lard asses are another story.
and F you Option Fat Fuck - you are a bloated mess. Good luck bro with you 50 week diet down
Do us all a favor and get back on your meds
btw - Great Job Mods
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Okay OP, please explain to me how a private citizen is supposed to know and understand the complexities of North Korea's relationship with China on his own?
Remind me again how much you know about it? How much any of us do?
What better, more direct source than the president of China?
So far Trump has learned the health care is an incredibly complex subject (according to him no one knew this) and of course the master deal maker couldn't get the deal done even when his party held all the cards.
Trump recently learned that his simplistic beliefs about North Korea were totally wrong
On the campaign trail he said the Iran Nuclear deal was the worst deal ever made. What are the odds he doesn't know the slightest thing about it and probably couldn't even understand it if someone tried to explain it to him.
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Do us all a favor and get back on your meds
btw - Great Job Mods
STFU fat loser - go work out and get a life.
Some of us on GB actually do stuff - others - like yourself - sit home - eat pandcakes - eat donuts - get fat - depressed - and rush to GB to expose your depressed mental state being so fat ;)
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STFU fat loser - go work out and get a life.
Some of us on GB actually do stuff - others - like yourself - sit home - eat pandcakes - eat donuts - get fat - depressed - and rush to GB to expose your depressed mental state being so fat ;)
Dude - do you have any idea how fucking crazy you sound
Mods - how abut doing your job
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Dude - do you have any idea how fucking crazy you sound
Mods - how abut doing your job
I rucked a marathon this past weekend w 45lbs - STFU
Honestly - go to planet fitness - do your 5 sets on the leg extension and croke you pathetic loser.
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Not first time China has done this, have a read of this. was actually a similar embargo last year.
"This is not the first time China announced a type of import ban on North Korean coal in order to comply with UN sanctions. But it has consistently chosen to use the wiggle room provided by vague wording of sanctions regulation."
http://thediplomat.com/2017/02/is-china-serious-about-banning-north-korean-coal/
Direct us to one quote coming out of China that says NK need to stop their nuke tests. Not bs tweets from trump saying they told him this.
I think trump has actually now realized after his recent humiliation of nk carrying out their missile test and threatening to use nukes if the us attempts to attack. That he actually can't do fuck all about nk unless he's willing to up against the Chinese military.
LMFAO did you actually read the link you posted. Basically it said they have never actually done it, only that they agreed to it...
Again something that china has never done...
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-china-idUSKBN16F0AA
One where the a minster tells them.
http://nypost.com/2017/04/12/china-willing-to-work-with-us-against-north-korea/
One where the govt news paper tells them
Again he has gotten them to do more in 4 months than they have in 8 years.
Like him or hate him, its the truth
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LMFAO
"In other words: after tightening the screws in the beginning, seemingly to make a point and give a symbolic show of compliance, China’s sanctions regime appeared to let up almost completely, and things went back to normal."
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StraW/Benny/Andre/Option Fat/Abraham = FAT as F!!
Spilling over = one thing - these lard asses are another story.
and F you Option Fat Fuck - you are a bloated mess. Good luck bro with you 50 week diet down
Things not going so great at home?
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LMFAO did you actually read the link you posted. Basically it said they have never actually done it, only that they agreed to it...
yes i did read the article and you obviously didn't
"After the sanctions were adopted, a familiar pattern set in. In the first few weeks after the UN resolution passed, tangible signs suggested that Chinese authorities were serious about implementing the sanctions framework. For example, coal shipments from North Korea were reported to be sitting in limbo out at sea, unable to land at their Chinese ports of destination. On April 7, 2016, the Chinese Ministry of Commerce formally announced an embargo against imports of coal, iron, and iron ores from North Korea “in order to carry out relevant resolutions of the UN Security Council.”"
so you see china has previously announced an embargo, at first appeared to be following it then within a few months normal trade resumes.
Again something that china has never done...
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-china-idUSKBN16F0AA
One where the a minster tells them.
from that article
"China's suggestion is, as a first step, for North Korea to suspend nuclear and missile activities, and for the U.S. and South Korea to also suspend large-scale military drills," Wang said "dual suspension"
ok how i should have worded it was show us a quote from china that calls for nk to stop nuclear tests without at the same time calling for the US to stop it's provocation.
the media narrative is bs to fool idiots "china is working closely with the the US to stop nk missile test" when in reality as seen in the above quote from your article, china is basically telling the US to stop fking around in SK then it will look to stop the NK nuclear program.
http://nypost.com/2017/04/12/china-willing-to-work-with-us-against-north-korea/
One where the govt news paper tells them
no quotes in that article of china instructing NK to stop nuclear tests. closest to that is below
“China insists on realizing the denuclearization of the peninsula, insists on maintaining peace and stability on the peninsula, and advocates resolving the problem through peaceful means"
the fact that he uses the word "peninsula" rather than singling out NK should tell you something.
NK to china is like israel is to the US. NK is completely dependent on china for it's existence. china could stop NK from flouting all UN regulations tomorrow if they so wished, same as the US could with israel.
rather than trying to help the US stop NK they are actually the ones behind the NK nuclear program.
Again he has gotten them to do more in 4 months than they have in 8 years.
trump won't be able to do sht about NK same as obama couldn't. unless he starts giving concessions in the way of starting to demilitarise SK. or unless he is willing to take on the chinese.
Like him or hate him, its the truth
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Hahah silver line all you want the fact is the govt paper has never reprimanded NK like they have in response to trumps actions/meetin.officials in the govt have also called for NK to stop taking actions to develop their nuclear capabilities.
you also have not addressed the build up of troops on their border, wonder why?
I pretty much agree with you on the overall outcome of nothing happening but the fact is he has gotten China to put more pressure on NK than they have before.
That's a simple fact
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Things not going so great at home?
Things going great - just like trolling a few people on here who are easily offended and triggered.
Straw always running to the mods when he gets attacked - too funny not to incite that from time to time
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Hahah silver line all you want the fact is the govt paper has never reprimanded NK like they have in response to trumps actions/meetin.officials in the govt have also called for NK to stop taking actions to develop their nuclear capabilities.
you also have not addressed the build up of troops on their border, wonder why?
I pretty much agree with you on the overall outcome of nothing happening but the fact is he has gotten China to put more pressure on NK than they have before.
That's a simple fact
it's just media hype dude. msm is trying to portray a new tough US president who is getting things done. in reality he's a bit of a buffoon, a bull in a china shop that lacks the geopolitical knowledge and diplomacy of an obama(and i was no fan of his).
china's stance hasn't changed one iota. they've implemented half hearted embargoes on nk in the past just to appease the un. while at the same time still propping up the nk economy and enabling them to expand their military capacity.
i always hear on this board people saying obama foreign policy was "weak" .he dropped tens of thousands of bombs on other countries every year he was in power ffs! it wasn't so much weak as reckless, incoherent and stupid. only difference i see so far from trump is he's just thrown a bit more recklessness and stupidity in for good measure.
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it's just media hype dude. msm is trying to portray a new tough US president who is getting things done. in reality he's a bit of a buffoon, a bull in a china shop that lacks the geopolitical knowledge and diplomacy of an obama(and i was no fan of his).
china's stance hasn't changed one iota. they've implemented half hearted embargoes on nk in the past just to appease the un. while at the same time still propping up the nk economy and enabling them to expand their military capacity.
i always hear on this board people saying obama foreign policy was "weak" .he dropped tens of thousands of bombs on other countries every year he was in power ffs! it wasn't so much weak as reckless, incoherent and stupid. only difference i see so far from trump is he's just thrown a bit more recklessness and stupidity in for good measure.
Pretty much agree with your post, the fact is though china has done/said more in his time I. Office than in obamas even if it's "hype" which it always is until it isn't anymore.
Obama didn't want an armed confrontation and Russia, china, Iran et. al knew it. That's why they acted an ass and got away with it. You really think Russia would have annexed Crimea with bush?
I agree with the assessment that trump is more reckless but it also plays to our advantage at least in the short run as it does seem like he is more willing to use military force in the face of those jack ass actions
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Things going great - just like trolling a few people on here who are easily offended and triggered.
Straw always running to the mods when he gets attacked - too funny not to incite that from time to time
I honestly don't give a fuck.
If you recall from prior years I told Mods they should let it be a free for all
But, if they have rules then they should enforce them (they've enforced them on me basically at random), especially if they want more people engaging on this board (and again, they probably don't give a fuck)
Your posts attacking me usually have NOTHING to do with the topic and appear to be an manifestation of your obvious mental health problems and are usually boring and repetitive (almost like a Tourettes like tic)
Gets pretty boring after awhile and makes it apparent that the board is mostly a right wing circle jerk and not a place where anyone wants to actually have a political discusssion or debate
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I honestly don't give a fuck.
If you recall from prior years I told Mods they should let it be a free for all
But, if they have rules then they should enforce them (they've enforced them on me basically at random), especially if they want more people engaging on this board (and again, they probably don't give a fuck)
Your posts attacking me usually have NOTHING to do with the topic and appear to be an manifestation of your obvious mental health problems and are usually boring and repetitive (almost like a Tourettes like tic)
Gets pretty boring after awhile and makes it apparent that the board is mostly a right wing circle jerk and not a place where anyone wants to actually have a political discusssion or debate
Your tears are delicious.
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Your tears are delicious.
tears?
you mean total boredom?
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Pretty much agree with your post, the fact is though china has done/said more in his time I. Office than in obamas even if it's "hype" which it always is until it isn't anymore.
Obama didn't want an armed confrontation and Russia, china, Iran et. al knew it. That's why they acted an ass and got away with it. You really think Russia would have annexed Crimea with bush?
I agree with the assessment that trump is more reckless but it also plays to our advantage at least in the short run as it does seem like he is more willing to use military force in the face of those jack ass actions
well unless you welcome the prospect of WW3 i would have thought not wanting an armed confrontation with russia/china is a good thing ???
and you're being fooled again by media propaganda. russia annexing crimea was not them "acting an ass". the democratically elected ukrainian government was overthrown by an anti russian militia. crimea's population is predominantly ethnic russians...it was basically a case of russia looking after it's own interests and those of russian ethnicity right on it's doorstep. and yes russia would have taken same action if bush or whoever else was president.
it's funny how the very minute this armed militia made up of various dubious elements including far right groups violently toppled the democratically elected government in ukraine, at that very moment western media was declaring them as the new legitimate government.
you're being brainwashed!
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I honestly don't give a fuck.
If you recall from prior years I told Mods they should let it be a free for all
But, if they have rules then they should enforce them (they've enforced them on me basically at random), especially if they want more people engaging on this board (and again, they probably don't give a fuck)
Your posts attacking me usually have NOTHING to do with the topic and appear to be an manifestation of your obvious mental health problems and are usually boring and repetitive (almost like a Tourettes like tic)
Gets pretty boring after awhile and makes it apparent that the board is mostly a right wing circle jerk and not a place where anyone wants to actually have a political discusssion or debate
Oh please - act like a man and stop crying.
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if war does break out, will you support your country?
-Been thinking about moving to Germany.
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tears?
you mean total boredom?
so bored you stick around?