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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Oliver Klaushof on April 04, 2006, 10:30:12 PM
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You always here supposed "insiders" and "gurus" proclaiming,"ALL PROS ARE USING THE SAME GEAR AND DOSAGES BLAH BLAH BLAH." But do you think someone like Melvin is putting the same amount of stuff in his body as a Jay or a Coleman? Priest claims he doesn't use test or GH. Is this strictly genetics? It might be easy to say yes, but remember how small Coleman was when he started out - was the freakish size increase due to training or did he finally find the right cocktail?
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food+ gear x food x gear +food = ronnie coleman
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Steroids are a finishing touch. They add only 5-10% to a physique, so it doesn't surprise me that Lee, like most pros, uses only a moderate amount. They mostly just complement training and nutrition programs, the same way a tan does.
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and of coarse always stick to the Weider principles
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Exept for Lee....he's just taking Deca ::)!
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and of coarse always stick to the Weider principles
Definitely stick to those. If you don't, you are in uncharted territory. I still can't believe he thought of all those by himself. Very impressive.
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food+ gear x food x gear +food = ronnie coleman
SH#$T!!! and all this time I was doing food + gear + food x gear - lifting. ???
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Steroids are a finishing touch. They add only 5-10% to a physique, so it doesn't surprise me that Lee, like most pros, uses only a moderate amount. They mostly just complement training and nutrition programs, the same way a tan does.
I will assume you are not joking for now. How do you explain Tom Prince and Craig Titus? But that's another thread. It's been done. The percentage is much higher.
The question is - are all these guys really using the same gear and the same dosages. I wonder how Darrem Charles or Melvin's medicine cabinet compares to Ronnie and Jay. ???
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I will assume you are not joking for now. How do you explain Tom Prince and Craig Titus? But that's another thread. It's been done. The percentage is much higher.
The question is - are all these guys really using the same gear and the same dosages. I wonder how Darrem Charles or Melvin's medicine cabinet compares to Ronnie and Jay. ???
Tom Prince says he was 230 at 5-7, before juicing. Those are his words, so don't blame me if he was lying. Titus only lost weight because he was supposedly on crystal meth and changed his eating habits. :-\
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titus only get three meals a day now :P
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titus only get three meals a day now :P
That was a low blow ;D
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I think if they are willing to come out with the fact they actually take/took steroids, they wouldn't hide the true amounts.
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Exept for Lee....he's just taking Deca ::)!
That's what he says. If so, he is the most genetically gifted bodybuilder out there. More so than Coleman or Cormier. He doesn't have a GH gut :-\
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That's what he says. If so, he is the most genetically gifted bodybuilder out there. More so than Coleman or Cormier. He doesn't have a GH gut :-\
Look how big Lee was when he was younger. He is proof that steroids add only 5-10%.
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As much as 5%??!
I would say that it`s hardly more than a couple of % for most IFBB pros ;D
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It's a matter of how the body is responding to gear. I know guys who obtained a lot more with small amounts than others who were using much higher doses. There is no such thing as small amounts users between pros, it's only "high" or "very high".
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actually, i have never heard any insider or person in the know ever make the claim that all pros use the same amounts. if anything, i have heard a hundred times that every pro and every bodybuilder is different and that what works for one wouldnt work for another. each person has their own favorites and does their own thing. some are heavy into growth and insulin and IGF. others are heavy into the basics of test, deca, and dbol. every person is different.
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5-10% my arse.
I lifted for nine years without touching gear and I made some decent gains but when I went "on" I added about 50% to my lifts and my lean weight increased by 25lbs. I will never be a pro and I was hardly taking anything but some of these pros are taking four or five times as much as I ever did - the bottom line if you want to talk percentages, gear gives you an edge of about 40-50% over a natural trainer if not more.
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Steroids are a finishing touch. They add only 5-10% to a physique, so it doesn't surprise me that Lee, like most pros, uses only a moderate amount. They mostly just complement training and nutrition programs, the same way a tan does.
You obvious don't know where you are talking about.
Maybe 5-10 % with an creatine cycle.
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Don Youngblood anyone?
If his use are only real for half, it's an insane amount.
But I do believe some people react better on the stuff than others,
so despite taking the same amount, one get's bigger than the other.
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I think if they are willing to come out with the fact they actually take/took steroids, they wouldn't hide the true amounts.
yeah they would...
the lower the amount..the better their genetics!
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Exactly - and the only time you'll ever see a pro give the true amount of what they take is when they get busted by the feds and they have to say it was all for "personal use" otherwise they would be seen as dealers, not users.
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Steroids are a finishing touch. They add only 5-10% to a physique, so it doesn't surprise me that Lee, like most pros, uses only a moderate amount. They mostly just complement training and nutrition programs, the same way a tan does.
So spending 15k on gear/gh for contest prep is just a finishing touch?
Interesting.
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Steroids are a finishing touch. They add only 5-10% to a physique, so it doesn't surprise me that Lee, like most pros, uses only a moderate amount. They mostly just complement training and nutrition programs, the same way a tan does.
hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Not that you have any credibility, but saying steroids add 5-10% renders all of your future posts wholly irrelevant.
Special "90-95%" Ed
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5-10% my arse.
I lifted for nine years without touching gear and I made some decent gains but when I went "on" I added about 50% to my lifts and my lean weight increased by 25lbs. I will never be a pro and I was hardly taking anything but some of these pros are taking four or five times as much as I ever did - the bottom line if you want to talk percentages, gear gives you an edge of about 40-50% over a natural trainer if not more.
What was your lean weight before juicing?
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As much as 5%??!
I would say that it`s hardly more than a couple of % for most IFBB pros ;D
You're right, for some pros, even that is an exaggeration. I know of one pro who only uses 100mg of test the last week before a contest.
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remember how small Coleman was when he started out - was the freakish size increase due to training or did he finally find the right cocktail?
Ronnie's freakish size is the result of his mastery of the mind-muscle connection.
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So spending 15k on gear/gh for contest prep is just a finishing touch?
Interesting.
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Some people spend that much and more on an addition to a house, because it is an important finishing touch.
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5-10%? Put down Cormier's crack pipe!
I'd say at least 50%. I base this on the following: After a decade of training more or less naturally, I weigh 210 at 8-10% bf. If I were at similar bodyfat levels before I started lifting (I wasn't), I would have weighed 155-160 or so. Juiced-to-the-gills pro bodybuilders my height compete around 250-260. So, i've gained 50 lbs or so at my natural limit, and pro's weigh 50 lbs more. You do the math.
Juiced to the gills pros use more than just steroids, though, and they have superior genetics. Ronnie Coleman was 220 before touching steroids and Tom Prince was 230. Lee Priest was already huge as a teenager. Not to mention that these guys usually train harder than the average person. If you gained another 50 pounds, you would be gaining 24%, but you wouln't be able to gain that much from steroids, because they are mostly a finishing touch. Like the last brushstroke on a painting.
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You're right, for some pros, even that is an exaggeration. I know of one pro who only uses 100mg of test the last week before a contest.
unsurprisingly, if you told us who it was no one would know who it is. anyone who saw the chad vs milos thread on mayhem a while back knows that these guys are practically built on chemicals.
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You're right, for some pros, even that is an exaggeration. I know of one pro who only uses 100mg of test the last week before a contest.
Hahahahahahaha...good one.
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unsurprisingly, if you told us who it was no one would know who it is. anyone who saw the chad vs milos thread on mayhem a while back knows that these guys are practically built on chemicals.
Some of the guys who don't place as well use miniscule amounts. The guy who uses the 100mg the week before a contest is a Canadian pro.
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And what's he at now, 290?
70 lbs is a "Finishing touch" ? ::)
And if you believe that one, I've got a WPI pro card for you.
Ronnie used alot more than steroids to get bigger. He may also have a better response to steroids than most, allowing him to gain more than the AVERAGE of 5-10%. But I agree, 70 lbs is way more than a finishing touch. Steroids can be used as something different than a finishing touch, but that is the use that Arnold Schwarzenegger and Lee Haney suggest, and they have 15 Mr. Olympia titles between them.
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I hope you people understand that LuciusFox is a gimmick account, he's making up bullshit left and right.
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I hope you people understand that LuciusFox is a gimmick account, he's making up bullshit left and right.
That's an outrageous claim. I may consider suing you for libel.
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alot of them do have jobs. or they do their "posing" or sell off excess junk. i know of one pro who uses tons of stuff. doesnt really look very good though and he doesnt place well at all. but he is a pro nonetheless. anyway, he supports himself with selling nubain. he sells enough every month that he can afford his condo and his car and his lifestyle.
i have heard of female fitness girls that use about 10,000 a years worth of gear too though. and they are fitness chicks! but still spending the money. i have a friend who was a local competitor. nothing big and ever any qualifier contests. always locals. anyway, he would spend 12 grand leading up to a show so he could come in around 212. he looked ok. but not great. genetics he didnt have.
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If gear only gives you an extra 5-10% then why spend thousands of dollars and risk your health taking it? Why not put in 5-10% more effort into your training and diet, save the money and stay healthy? I say 5-10% = bullshit.
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If gear only gives you an extra 5-10% then why spend thousands of dollars and risk your health taking it? Why not put in 5-10% more effort into your training and diet, save the money and stay healthy? I say 5-10% = bullshit.
I am only talking about steroids. People spend so much because it is a great finishing touch, like a deck on a house. They risk their health because winning is important to them.
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I am only talking about steroids. People spend so much because it is a great finishing touch, like a deck on a house. They risk their health because winning is important to them.
you can still have a monster house without a deck, but you can't have a monster physique without roids.
so even without the deck, your house can still belong in a nice neighborhood; but without the roids, your physique does not belong on a competitive pro stage.
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Tell Jocelyn he needs to up his dose.
;D
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Ronnie used alot more than steroids to get bigger. He may also have a better response to steroids than most, allowing him to gain more than the AVERAGE of 5-10%. But I agree, 70 lbs is way more than a finishing touch. Steroids can be used as something different than a finishing touch, but that is the use that Arnold Schwarzenegger and Lee Haney suggest, and they have 15 Mr. Olympia titles between them.
Yeah and arnold built his body with 3 dbol a day and primo before the show... ::)
You should just Log out.
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I believe this stack was posted by "O" on the steroid board a year or so ago:
"One pro bodybuilder took all of this stuff.
15 iu's of GH-Year Round.
15 iu's insulin upon waking, 15 more iu's after w/o...six weeks on, four weeks off/repeat.
One gram of test/day-Year round.
200 mg halotestin/day-8 weeks on, 10 weeks off/repeat.
two vials(4 grams) of EQ/week, year Round except during shows.
Trenbolone, 150mg/day(2cc)...all thru contest times...
Not to mention T3, IGF-1 when he can afford it, clen, winny, a-bombs, HCg, nolva, masteron, the list goes on...
Can you believe that? Man, that's a lot of drugs!"
where's the cell-tech nitro-tech stack? ???
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What a f*king retard!!! 5-10%? I guess that's why Levrone weighs in at about a crisp 195lbs right now since he's "clean" which still probably means he's on 2-4iu of GH and 200 test for "health" reasons! Lets do the math for the people who can't...
"ON" Offseason weight-275lbs Now Normal wieght-195lbs
"ON" Contest Weight-245ish lbs Currently is still in shape @ 195lbs
---------29%----------------
275-195=80/275=.29% Comparative off season weight
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245-195=50/245=.20% Somewhat comparative not to mention he would still loose a little more fat/water to get down to "contest" shape, not underware model status!
So whoever said 5-10% needs to stay out of CT's meth stash and come back down to reality!!!
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You're doing the wrong calculation. 29% of his bodyweight may be due to roids, but that doesn't mean roids are responsible for 29% of his total muscle growth.
To see how much of the gains it is responsible for, you need to divide the difference between roided weight and natural but still bodybuilding at full natural capacity weight by the difference between the roided weight and the weight he would be untrained.
Let's say Kevin's weight was 155 back before he picked up a weight. Now let's say 195 is the weight he can achieve by bodybuilding naturally. And 275 is his weight on roids. His total muscle gain from untrained to roided is 120 lbs (275-155=120). Of that, 80 lbs are due exclusively to roids (275-195=80). 80 lbs due to roids = 66% of the 120 lb. total muscle gain from untrained.
That's a lot more than 29% or 5-10%!
Actually you are correct. I guess mine was more of a was now deal. Now that I look at yours, it makes even more sense! Good one bro!!!
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You're doing the wrong calculation. 29% of his bodyweight may be due to roids, but that doesn't mean roids are responsible for 29% of his total muscle growth.
To see how much of the gains it is responsible for, you need to divide the difference between roided weight and natural but still bodybuilding at full natural capacity weight by the difference between the roided weight and the weight he would be untrained.
Let's say Kevin's weight was 155 back before he picked up a weight. Now let's say 195 is the weight he can achieve by bodybuilding naturally. And 275 is his weight on roids. His total muscle gain from untrained to roided is 120 lbs (275-155=120). Of that, 80 lbs are due exclusively to roids (275-195=80). 80 lbs due to roids = 66% of the 120 lb. total muscle gain from untrained.
That's a lot more than 29% or 5-10%!
His max would be 195 natural? You are just making that up. His genetics are at least as good as Tom Prince's, and he was a lean 230 natural. Add in the fact that pros take more than just steroids, and the 5-10% AVERAGE is reasonable.
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i put on 18 lbs in 10 weeks and my waist went down two inches on test alone.
so much for being natural.
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i put on 18 lbs in 10 weeks and my waist went down two inches on test alone.
so much for being natural.
Sounds like you got great results. Do you have before and after pics?
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Fuck being natural.
Naturals are lame.
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These monkeys claiming more food is better are DUMBFUCKS.
More food is NOT better. Better food is better.
Take 2 guys with the same genetics.
Both guys are 200lbs with the same amount of bodyfat..10%.
Both guys are 5'8".
Both guys train 1 hour a day and do the same exercises.
Both burn the same amount of calories.
Guy 1. Eats 6,000 calories a day.
Guy 2.Eats 2,000 calories a day.(Or whenever he is hungry)
Guy 1 will build more muscle than guy 2 right? WRONG. The guy eating excessive amounts of food will NOT put on more muscle. He will put on more weight but it damn sure won't be muscle, it will be fat. When consuming excessive calories the calories that aren't burned get deposited into FAT.
Forcing yourcelf to eat high calories is a sure fire way to become a fatass.
You should WANT to eat the food,You should be hungry. If you aren't that means your body does not need the food. If it does not need the food and it is consumed it will be stored as fat.
Eating more is not the key. Eating BETTER foods when you are hungry is the key.
If you don't have an apetite it means you're doing something wrong. Meaning you probably aren't burning enough calories to begin with.
These Pro's you see eating all of this food..They are doing it BECAUSE THEY ARE HUNGRY. They are using anabolic steroids which makes synthesize more protein and makes you hungry more often.
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This thread is hilarious.. 5-10-15%LOLOLOLOL Not even close.. I don't care what Tom Prince says or any other "PRO". It's 25% plus. Even the genetic mutants like Paul Dillet and Ronnie and every other PRO... Heck --- I have trained right with so-called "top amateurs" and watched them BLOW the F-UP!!! 180-190 to 235-255 in one L-O-N-G cycle.. And shrink back down after.. A** clowns all of them. God i used to crack up at these guys.. 16 to 20 weeks on everything they can get their hands on, run out of money for any pct's of any kind and get sick and wilt like a dandelion on asphalt..
Funny stuff..
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f**k being natural.
Naturals are lame.
Let me know how great you look once the drugs stop. Anyone can get jacked on gear, try it without, then talk to me about gains.
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I have no idea what Kevin Levrone's natural limit is. I was using the "195" figure to explain the calculation.
Again, Tom Prince, swolen juice monkey standing all of 5'7" was never anywhere near 230 natural. If you believe that, 240's got some swamp-land near his doublewide to sell you (and he'll throw in a $300 website for free!)
Ronnie Coleman, standing 5' 11", with incredible genetics, and a decade of natural training I'd believe at 230. Tom Prince, no way!
Damn you G o a t b o y! You stole the words right out of my mouth! Tom Prince 230 natural.... ::), I guess he means just like he's 230 now! Do you think they meant 130? That is a better question!!! ;D
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Let me know how great you look once the drugs stop. Anyone can get jacked on gear, try it without, then talk to me about gains.
True, Croatch still looks great after his cycle....
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I don't think these guys have the best genetics at all. I think they are part of an "elite" few that are willing to pump themselves with more drugs than any other group of "athletes." It's not genetics and training it's stupidity. I think Ronnie Coleman, Jay Cutler, and Lee(since he ONLY uses deca :)) are the exceptions to the rule.
Most train like shit, party, use recreational drugs, and wear shiny shirts. What more can be said? I see guys all the time with "bodybuilder genetics" and I think, "if that guy trained like Coleman he could just as good or better."
Tom Prince? please.. Titus? lol shitty diet, shitty, work ethic, tons of chemicals..
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I don't think these guys have the best genetics at all. I think they are part of an "elite" few that are willing to pump themselves with more drugs than any other group of "athletes." It's not genetics and training it's stupidity. I think Ronnie Coleman, Jay Cutler, and Lee(since he ONLY uses deca :)) are the exceptions to the rule. They train like shit, party, use recreational drugs, and wear shiny shirts. What more can be said? I see guys all the time with "bodybuilder genetics" and I think, "if that guy trained like Coleman he could just as good or better."
Tom Prince? please.. Titus? lol shitty diet, shitty, work ethic, tons of chemicals..
Recreational drugs? I highly doubt that.
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True, Croatch still looks great after his cycle....
Yeah, I took Super Dbol, it lasts 15 years on just a few shots.
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actually, i have never heard any insider or person in the know ever make the claim that all pros use the same amounts. if anything, i have heard a hundred times that every pro and every bodybuilder is different and that what works for one wouldnt work for another. each person has their own favorites and does their own thing. some are heavy into growth and insulin and IGF. others are heavy into the basics of test, deca, and dbol. every person is different.
A while back, on the bodybuilder board, one of the poster here(a competing amateur according to him) said Pros that claim to use less than everyone else are liars. He said he competes and everyone is using everything. They are all on the same long list of drugs according to him - all the way down to the amateurs. He named names. This thread was deleted.
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Recreational drugs? I highly doubt that.
"Recreational" drugs are the usual part of contest prep...that a fact!
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Recreational drugs? I highly doubt that.
Cormier? Titus? lol
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Yeah, I took Super Dbol, it lasts 15 years on just a few shots.
After it wore off, you still look great. That just shows that people who get off juice can keep some size and still look good.
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Cormier? Titus? lol
And just about everyone in between!
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Cormier? Titus? lol
He used Priest,Cutler and Coleman as examples.
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He used Priest,Cutler and Coleman as examples.
I did??
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You're right, for some pros, even that is an exaggeration. I know of one pro who only uses 100mg of test the last week before a contest.
Dude, that pro is full of shit and you are an idiot if you believe him, although I guess it could be true if he is supplementing with a stash of prohormones and the good stuff from GNC. ::)
Here is an actual precontest cycle of a pro. It is about 3.5 GRAMS/week, not counting GH.
every other day
100mg wv
100mg master
100mg primo
100mg tren
daily
50mg tab of primo tabs
was 10ius gh, now to 5ius daily, once a day
4 clens (double strength)
3 weeks out stopped eq, prop, and anavar.
1 week prior, stop everything but the wv.
Diuretics:
half tabs of dyazide and aldactide twice on Thursday and twice on Friday.
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Juiced to the gills pros use more than just steroids, though, and they have superior genetics. Ronnie Coleman was 220 before touching steroids and Tom Prince was 230. Lee Priest was already huge as a teenager. Not to mention that these guys usually train harder than the average person.
Train harder, like Bob Chick in those clips? An animal!
A 30-40 lb. difference for Schwarzenegger. Like a different person without them.
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Dude, that pro is full of shit and you are an idiot if you believe him, although I guess it could be true if he is supplementing with a stash of prohormones and the good stuff from GNC. ::)
Here is an actual precontest cycle of a pro. It is about 3.5 GRAMS/week, not counting GH.
every other day
100mg wv
100mg master
100mg primo
100mg tren
daily
50mg tab of primo tabs
was 10ius gh, now to 5ius daily, once a day
4 clens (double strength)
3 weeks out stopped eq, prop, and anavar.
1 week prior, stop everything but the wv.
Diuretics:
half tabs of dyazide and aldactide twice on Thursday and twice on Friday.
Some pros claim to take these massive cycles so that if they are arrested they can claim it is personal use. I really doubt they take that much. A heavy cycle for a pro is more likely 1,000 mg a week. Also, a lot of these guys "blowing up" are gaining a lot of temporary water weight.
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Some pros claim to take these massive cycles so that if they are arrested they can claim it is personal use. I really doubt they take that much. A heavy cycle for a pro is more likely 1,000 mg a week. Also, a lot of these guys "blowing up" are gaining a lot of temporary water weight.
I'm sorry but you're delusional, I've talked in private with several pro's who've all pretty much told me that *I* should be taking at least 1500mg of test a WEEK to make good gains, this was advice given to me (I'm 6"0, 240) so just imagine how much test alone a guy that's 5"8 260 is taking... do the math. Also, Tom Prince 230lbs. naturally?? LOLOL... is that why he's about 140lbs. soaking wet right now??
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I'm sorry but you're delusional, I've talked in private with several pro's who've all pretty much told me that *I* should be taking at least 1500mg of test a WEEK to make good gains, this was advice given to me (I'm 6"0, 240) so just imagine how much test alone a guy that's 5"8 260 is taking... do the math. Also, Tom Prince 230lbs. naturally?? LOLOL... is that why he's about 140lbs. soaking wet right now??
They told you to take that much because you don't have pro level genetics and you might have to. Some pros, like Lee Priest and Paul Dillett, take very little. It is well documented that Prince said he was 230 naturally. He is only so light now because of his health problems. I he were still healthy I guarantee he would a hard 220 clean.
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Like cocaine?
Yes...But not cocain, usually an amphetamine like meth. Coke will cause a ton of water retention, amphetamines usually don't. Whether they (pro's) admit it or not it's out there and being used!
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Lee Priest will never come on here comment on why he deleted the thread posted by a competing ameteur calling him on only using deca. Kids! You can be a pro on Deca alone! Great message!
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Lee Priest will never come on here comment on why he deleted the thread posted by a competing ameteur calling him on only using deca. Kids! You can be a pro on Deca alone! Great message!
All bodybuilders obviously use gear....let the kids learn young, that way they can decide if achieving a huge body or attempting to be a pro is really for them.....
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Why does Lee not use test? Doesn't make sense. Image if he did, how huge he would be. But whats the concept with no Test?
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Why does Lee not use test? Doesn't make sense. Image if he did, how huge he would be. But whats the concept with no Test?
If you have seen pics of Lee when he was young, you can see that he has inhuman genetics. Normal steroid guidelines do not apply to him.
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Why does Lee not use test? Doesn't make sense. Image if he did, how huge he would be. But whats the concept with no Test?
He didnt like test and got better results with deca....he is truely a freak...
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^^^^^You guys are all wrong!^^^^^^
Cell Tech got him to where he is today! ::)