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Title: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Straw Man on July 10, 2017, 08:21:56 PM
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Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'

An ethics lawyer under former President George W. Bush blasted Donald Trump Jr. for meeting with a Russian lawyer who claimed to have compromising information on then-Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton during the campaign, saying it “borders on treason.”

“This was an effort to get opposition research on an opponent in an American political campaign from the Russians, who were known to be engaged in spying inside the United States,” Richard Painter said Sunday on MSNBC.

“We do not get our opposition research from spies, we do not collaborate with Russian spies, unless we want to be accused of treason.”

Painter said the Bush administration would not have allowed the meeting, which was attended by Trump Jr., then-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and President Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner, now a White House senior adviser, to happen.
“If this story is true, we’d have one of them if not both of them in custody by now, and we’d be asking them a lot of questions,” he said. “This is unacceptable. This borders on treason, if it is not itself treason.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/341223-ex-bush-ethics-lawyer-on-trump-jr-meeting-with-russian-lawyer-this
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 10, 2017, 08:23:37 PM
Unlike Clinton, Comey, Obama, Lynch and Podesta 😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Straw Man on July 10, 2017, 08:32:44 PM
Unlike Clinton, Comey, Obama, Lynch and Podesta 😂😂😂😂

correct

completely unlike them

Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: polychronopolous on July 10, 2017, 08:38:00 PM
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Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 10, 2017, 08:42:05 PM
correct

completely unlike them



You're right because all of them have evidence to back the allegations. For a year it's been a nothing on Trump....hahahaha
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Straw Man on July 10, 2017, 08:47:21 PM
You're right because all of them have evidence to back the allegations. For a year it's been a nothing on Trump....hahahaha

if you're aware of meetings that Clinton, Comey, Obama, Lynch and Podesta had with Russians to get damaging info on Trump you should contact Fox or maybe Rush

fuck that

contact Jeff Sessions right now

Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: polychronopolous on July 10, 2017, 08:55:06 PM
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Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 10, 2017, 09:02:38 PM
if you're aware of meetings that Clinton, Comey, Obama, Lynch and Podesta had with Russians to get damaging info on Trump you should contact Fox or maybe Rush

fuck that

contact Jeff Sessions right now



Why? They've already reported it. Lmao
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Straw Man on July 10, 2017, 09:04:00 PM
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I'm not really following the Trumptard chain of thought

are you saying all the worthless investigations into Hillary Clinton proves that it's worthless to investigate Trump ?






Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: HockeyFightFan on July 10, 2017, 09:11:07 PM
I'm not really following the Trumptard chain of thought

are you saying all the worthless investigations into Hillary Clinton proves that it's worthless to investigate Trump ?










If the people in charge of investigating Hillary don't want to find the truth and apply the laws as they are written...then yeah, the investigations are worthless

And Comey will end up ruining his career over a fake Russian collusion story the Clintons made up
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 10, 2017, 09:11:59 PM
I'm not really following the Trumptard chain of thought

are you saying all the worthless investigations into Hillary Clinton proves that it's worthless to investigate Trump ?


Let me help you out Cupcake. Evidence against Clinton = Mountain. Evidence against Trump = Zip, Zilch, Nada, Donut.........ZERO. lol
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Straw Man on July 10, 2017, 09:13:39 PM
Why? They've already reported it. Lmao

where was this reported?

when did the Russians contact Hillary or her surrogates with damaging info on Trump and when was the meeting?




Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: polychronopolous on July 10, 2017, 09:18:14 PM
I'm not really following the Trumptard chain of thought

are you saying all the worthless investigations into Hillary Clinton proves that it's worthless to investigate Trump ?








No buddy cares bro.

Win an election.
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: HockeyFightFan on July 10, 2017, 09:42:43 PM
where was this reported?

when did the Russians contact Hillary or her surrogates with damaging info on Trump and when was the meeting?


They couldn't even get that right. They paid for and published a fake dossier on Trump and ended up looking like assholes and the fake MI-6 agent got rich!
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Thin Lizzy on July 11, 2017, 01:53:51 AM
No buddy cares bro.

Win an election.

They can't win an election because of gerrymandering. Remember?

Obamacare failed because of Republicans. Remember?

Black inner cities are crime infested shit holes because of white male racism. Remember?

They have a fucking excuse for everything.
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Yamcha on July 11, 2017, 04:39:17 AM
This surely will be the end of Drumpf!
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Howard on July 11, 2017, 08:46:41 AM
If the people in charge of investigating Hillary don't want to find the truth and apply the laws as they are written...then yeah, the investigations are worthless

And Comey will end up ruining his career over a fake Russian collusion story the Clintons made up

Sorry HFF, but this latest admission by Don Jr is really bad.
Let me use this more common example to illustrate my point:

You're at the club with your bro Jim .
Jim has been eyeing this one hotty and even sent over a drink to her.
He finally works up the nerve to go over and ask her out.

She smiles sweetly, looks up and says;
" I'm sorry, but Brad is already giving me a ride home"

Ouch! Doesn't look too good for ol' Jeff at this point.
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: tom joad on July 11, 2017, 09:07:50 AM
Sorry HFF, but this latest admission by Don Jr is really bad.
Let me use this more common example to illustrate my point:

You're at the club with your bro Jim .
Jim has been eyeing this one hotty and even sent over a drink to her.
He finally works up the nerve to go over and ask her out.

She smiles sweetly, looks up and says;
" I'm sorry, but Brad is already giving me a ride home"

Ouch! Doesn't look too good for ol' Jeff at this point.


but maybe the hotty is giving ol' Jeff fake news?
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Howard on July 11, 2017, 09:14:19 AM
They couldn't even get that right. They paid for and published a fake dossier on Trump and ended up looking like assholes and the fake MI-6 agent got rich!

The ol'Shaggy " It wasn't me defense" LOL
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Straw Man on July 11, 2017, 10:01:05 AM
No buddy cares bro.

Win an election.

perfect right wing response from this board

win an election and then no one cares about crimes committed before/during/after said election.......note this rule only applies to Donald Trump and maybe other Republicans on a case by case basis

Even better, just stop looking for crimes.  He won the election what more to you need to know.





Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Yamcha on July 11, 2017, 10:20:46 AM
perfect right wing response from this board

win an election and then no one cares about crimes committed before/during/after said election.......note this rule only applies to Donald Trump and maybe other Republicans on a case by case basis

Even better, just stop looking for crimes.  He won the election what more to you need to know.







Keep updating your post. Fun to watch you meltdown in real time.
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Straw Man on July 11, 2017, 10:46:19 AM
Keep updating your post. Fun to watch you meltdown in real time.

yeah, crazy ass meltdown = posting reports from new sources

Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Yamcha on July 11, 2017, 10:50:41 AM
I was referring to the quotes post. You kept adding to it. No sources fagg0t
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Straw Man on July 11, 2017, 11:10:41 AM
I was referring to the quotes post. You kept adding to it. No sources fagg0t

what quotes post?
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Las Vegas on July 11, 2017, 01:42:54 PM
When a story starts with "An ethics lawyer under George W. Bush..." it sort of removes its own fuse.

But then again, perhaps the gentleman was soundly asleep during that administration, and has decided to wake up and begin his criticisms, now. 

A real fine patriot, that ethics lawyer.
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Straw Man on July 11, 2017, 02:54:43 PM
When a story starts with "An ethics lawyer under George W. Bush..." it sort of removes its own fuse.

But then again, perhaps the gentleman was soundly asleep during that administration, and has decided to wake up and begin his criticisms, now. 

A real fine patriot, that ethics lawyer.

why?

your conclusion is that any ethics lawyer that worked in the Bush Administration is de facto unreliable, doesn't know the law, something else???

Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Las Vegas on July 11, 2017, 05:02:58 PM
why?

your conclusion is that any ethics lawyer that worked in the Bush Administration is de facto unreliable, doesn't know the law, something else???



I'm saying that he's lost all standing when it comes to issuing complaints about other administrations.  And further, I say he's a two-faced likely dildo rider who'd do well to STFU with his fake "ethics" concern.  If nothing else, let someone who hasn't sold his soul make those complaints.

As a matter of fact, up until now, he'd hold zero weight with ANYONE other than the small collection of perma-fools who still believe W was a reasonably fine CiC. 

But here, however, is his big chance to reel in a whole new crop of fools: the anti-Trumpers who won't explain themselves but would rather link to a media article.
 
So that's what he's doing.  Reeling them in.  Having a little fun at your expense.
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: jude2 on July 11, 2017, 07:43:03 PM
Who wouldn't want to get real info on Hillary.
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: obsidian on July 11, 2017, 09:14:03 PM
Strawman - you know what is treason, never mind bordering on treason - sanctuary cities and government officials that come out in support of illegal immigrants. That right there is treason. The left don't realize how they come across to the average American. All I see are cockroaches that need to be eradicated. The left are traitors and deserve to be impaled - every last one of them. Fuck these cucks!
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: jude2 on July 11, 2017, 09:25:39 PM
THe media and left really like to use some serious words.  How in the hell is this treason?
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: youandme on July 12, 2017, 06:07:17 AM
THe media and left really like to use some serious words.  How in the hell is this treason?

I had to watch 5 minutes of Fox last night with Juan Williams throwing around collusion, treason, impeachment, conspiracy. This crap is getting old.
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Straw Man on July 12, 2017, 09:44:01 AM
I'm saying that he's lost all standing when it comes to issuing complaints about other administrations.  And further, I say he's a two-faced likely dildo rider who'd do well to STFU with his fake "ethics" concern.  If nothing else, let someone who hasn't sold his soul make those complaints.

As a matter of fact, up until now, he'd hold zero weight with ANYONE other than the small collection of perma-fools who still believe W was a reasonably fine CiC. 

But here, however, is his big chance to reel in a whole new crop of fools: the anti-Trumpers who won't explain themselves but would rather link to a media article.
 
So that's what he's doing.  Reeling them in.  Having a little fun at your expense.

why ?

an entire paragraph and you didn't answer the question

If some other ethics lawyer or just a lawyer said the same thing then I assume you'd have no issue with the statement?
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: mazrim on July 12, 2017, 09:47:29 AM
Another day, another non story that fills up the psychos hope bucket only for it to be poured out through their frustrated tears.
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Straw Man on July 12, 2017, 09:51:03 AM
Another day, another non story that fills up the psychos hope bucket only for it to be poured out through their frustrated tears.

yep, keep telling yourself that
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: mazrim on July 12, 2017, 09:58:13 AM
yep, keep telling yourself that

Thanks for making these threads to verify what I posted.
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Straw Man on July 12, 2017, 10:00:46 AM
Thanks for making these threads to verify what I posted.

keep telling yourself that too

totally fine with me
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: polychronopolous on July 12, 2017, 10:15:17 AM
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Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Las Vegas on July 12, 2017, 02:57:14 PM
why ?

an entire paragraph and you didn't answer the question

If some other ethics lawyer or just a lawyer said the same thing then I assume you'd have no issue with the statement?

I'd have to hear it, first, to see how it's put by the person.  Still waiting for someone (anyone) to make a case to rise above this hysterical ranting.  But it couldn't hold nearly the insult to it, I'm sure.  Please don't forget the "Patriot Act" came to life by way of the Bushes' brand of ethics.

And when you have a good look, you'll see your homeboy is simply saying, "YOU DON'T DO THAT OR SOMEONE MAY ACCUSE YOU OF TREASON!!" when the fact is that with some interest in saying otherwise, he'd be the first to do so.  He's one of those guys who will make stories to go along with whatever's in his interest in that moment.  He doesn't care for the truth.  He's a flake.
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: tonymctones on July 12, 2017, 03:59:00 PM
Whether it was illegal or not he shouldn't have meet with the lawyer. All politicians need to held accountable and its utter ridiculous to think that neither manafort, kushner or jr told trump about this meeting he clearly knew. I would love to know what was discussed in the meeting b/c i dont think we have the truth.

It needs to be investigated, i think its funny though that nobody is talking about whether the info they were offering was accurate...maybe thats why the DNC wouldn't turn over their servers
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Thin Lizzy on July 12, 2017, 04:27:38 PM
Whether it was illegal or not he shouldn't have meet with the lawyer. All politicians need to held accountable and its utter ridiculous to think that neither manafort, kushner or jr told trump about this meeting he clearly knew. I would love to know what was discussed in the meeting b/c i dont think we have the truth.

It needs to be investigated, i think its funny though that nobody is talking about whether the info they were offering was accurate...maybe thats why the DNC wouldn't turn over their servers

Give me a break with this fucking selective outrage. Hillary got debate questions in advance from CNN and nobody gave a fuck. Now, it's a big fucking deal because somebody took a meeting to get dirt on their political opponent, something which probably has happened in every fucking political race since the beginning of time.

Yeah, let's impeach the president because his son could've possibly handled something a bit better during the campaign.

How about this? Hillary had the deck stacked in her favor, still lost and the losers have been whining about it ever since.
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Las Vegas on July 12, 2017, 04:55:09 PM
It's unfortunate that Trump's so difficult to defend.  He acts a fool, for one thing, and far too often.  No doubt he's a con artist in his own way, as well, which only victimizes us in the end, with him as our president.  No way he can do what needs to be done under these circumstances when it's so likely that so many have the product on him red-handed.  Very tough to make a move that way.

But the sad reality is that the whole scene is poison, and Hillary and the DNC may make Trump look like a Cub Scout.  They're terribly crooked scum who haven't nearly been held to answer for ANYTHING they've done.  Same with the POS media.

Maybe this is God's way of ending our nation.  Really, I just don't know.  But with all the hopeless cluelessness around when it comes to politics, it's a wonder we've made it this far.
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: HockeyFightFan on July 12, 2017, 05:52:25 PM
Trump was the perfect candidate to expose the liberal corruption in Washington and the complicity of the MSM.

He has also exposed just how sick and retarded the left really are.

He's just getting warmed up...and he lives for this shit!!!!

MAGA bitches!!!!
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Thin Lizzy on July 12, 2017, 06:11:34 PM
It's unfortunate that Trump's so difficult to defend.  He acts a fool, for one thing, and far too often.  No doubt he's a con artist in his own way, as well, which only victimizes us in the end, with him as our president.  No way he can do what needs to be done under these circumstances when it's so likely that so many have the product on him red-handed.  Very tough to make a move that way.

But the sad reality is that the whole scene is poison, and Hillary and the DNC may make Trump look like a Cub Scout.  They're terribly crooked scum who haven't nearly been held to answer for ANYTHING they've done.  Same with the POS media.

Maybe this is God's way of ending our nation.  Really, I just don't know.  But with all the hopeless cluelessness around when it comes to politics, it's a wonder we've made it this far.

No, God's way of ending our nation would be to allow Democrats control of everything the same way they've controlled inner cities for the last 50 years.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-41-shot-3-killed-in-weekend-violence-20170710-story.html

Eight years of hope and change and this is the result.
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: tonymctones on July 12, 2017, 06:23:56 PM
Give me a break with this fucking selective outrage. Hillary got debate questions in advance from CNN and nobody gave a fuck. Now, it's a big fucking deal because somebody took a meeting to get dirt on their political opponent, something which probably has happened in every fucking political race since the beginning of time.

Yeah, let's impeach the president because his son could've possibly handled something a bit better during the campaign.

How about this? Hillary had the deck stacked in her favor, still lost and the losers have been whining about it ever since.
LOL "selective outrage"...you must be new here but trust me i am not Hilary fan and have spent plenty of time shitting on her. As a matter of fact i specifically stated i would like to know if the info the Russians offered was true.

Whatever Hilary's transgressions of which there are many that doesn't excuse trump and his campaign.

He didn't just meet with some random person who wanted to give information. He meet with a representative of a hostile foreign govt. If they didn't think it was a big deal why would they lie about it for months on end?
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: HockeyFightFan on July 12, 2017, 06:48:05 PM
LOL "selective outrage"...you must be new here but trust me i am not Hilary fan and have spent plenty of time shitting on her. As a matter of fact i specifically stated i would like to know if the info the Russians offered was true.

Whatever Hilary's transgressions of which there are many that doesn't excuse trump and his campaign.

He didn't just meet with some random person who wanted to give information. He meet with a representative of a hostile foreign govt. If they didn't think it was a big deal why would they lie about it for months on end?

A representative of a hostile foreign government?

Riiiiiiiiiight, why use hyperbole when an outright lie will work!

I'm going to laugh my ass off when they Perp Walk Bernie Sanders' ugly wife into federal prison
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: youandme on July 12, 2017, 07:53:46 PM
When are we going to get access to the compromised DNC server before Hillary instructs an aid to take a hammer to it or purchase a scrubbing software to wipe it clean?
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: tonymctones on July 13, 2017, 05:40:26 AM
A representative of a hostile foreign government?

Riiiiiiiiiight, why use hyperbole when an outright lie will work!

I'm going to laugh my ass off when they Perp Walk Bernie Sanders' ugly wife into federal prison
Which part do you disagree with? That Russia is hostile to the US? Or that the lawyer was a rep of Russia?

I agree with you about Bernies wife, don't know why your brought that up in the context of this conversation though.
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: tonymctones on July 13, 2017, 06:07:38 AM
When are we going to get access to the compromised DNC server before Hillary instructs an aid to take a hammer to it or purchase a scrubbing software to wipe it clean?

I agree with you, I suspect they are hiding something which is why I want to know if the info offered was true
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Thin Lizzy on July 13, 2017, 06:28:04 AM
Which part do you disagree with? That Russia is hostile to the US? Or that the lawyer was a rep of Russia?

I agree with you about Bernies wife, don't know why your brought that up in the context of this conversation though.

Apparently, she was given a special visa exception to stay in the United States. Seems a bit odd to do something like this for somebody who is hostile to the United States government.

At the end of the day, it's one campaign trying to get dirt on their political opponent. Hillary's people would've done the exact same thing.
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: tonymctones on July 13, 2017, 07:08:25 AM
Apparently, she was given a special visa exception to stay in the United States. Seems a bit odd to do something like this for somebody who is hostile to the United States government.

At the end of the day, it's one campaign trying to get dirt on their political opponent. Hillary's people would've done the exact same thing.
Let me get this straight, your defense of this now is that Russia is not a hostile foreign govt? Just bc we have Russian officials here in the US doesn't mean they aren't hostile. We had and probably still do have spies here from Russia, remember the compounds that got seized?

I'm pretty sure you're right on the Hilary comment but that doesn't mean shit bc you and others along with myself would be on here making a fuss about that. The only difference is that I'm the only conservative in this thread calling this bull shit out.

Try having some intellectual honesty
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Thin Lizzy on July 13, 2017, 07:50:27 AM
Let me get this straight, your defense of this now is that Russia is not a hostile foreign govt? Just bc we have Russian officials here in the US doesn't mean they aren't hostile. We had and probably still do have spies here from Russia, remember the compounds that got seized?

I'm pretty sure you're right on the Hilary comment but that doesn't mean shit bc you and others along with myself would be on here making a fuss about that. The only difference is that I'm the only conservative in this thread calling this bull shit out.

Try having some intellectual honesty

The intellectual honesty is acknowledging that politics is a dirty fucking business and the combatants are not going to always play by Marcus of Queensberry rules. I'm not judging it one way or the other. In hindsight, it probably wasn't the right move but it is what it is, but the response to this has been dramatically over blown. Donald Trump Jr. was a private citizen, it's not like he could've exchanged any classified information with the Russians, unlike Hillary and Bill, whose foundation apparently received a large donation from a well-connected Russian while she was Secretary of State.

The real problem is the lack of balance from the mainstream media, and this has been going on throughout the campaign and has continued on to the Trump presidency. So, Trump supporters have every right to take anything that comes out of the MSM with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: tonymctones on July 13, 2017, 08:07:40 AM
The intellectual honesty is acknowledging that politics is a dirty fucking business and the combatants are not going to always play by Marcus of Queensberry rules. I'm not judging it one way or the other. In hindsight, it probably wasn't the right move but it is what it is, but the response to this has been dramatically over blown. Donald Trump Jr. was a private citizen, it's not like he could've exchanged any classified information with the Russians, unlike Hillary and Bill, whose foundation apparently received a large donation from a well-connected Russian while she was Secretary of State.

The real problem is the lack of balance from the mainstream media, and this has been going on throughout the campaign and has continued on to the Trump presidency. So, Trump supporters have every right to take anything that comes out of the MSM with a grain of salt.
There is only one persons actions in this entire world we can control and that's ourselves. Of course the media is biased against trump, what does that have to do with you excusing bad behavior?

you and the media have the exact same problem, you both excuse behavior of the guy you support and lambast those you don't for the exact same behavior. Well congrats bro you're no better than the media...

Dude your excuses are weak as shit, if clintons daughter did this you'd be ok with it? Ok so his son was out their giving speeches for him, doing interviews and going to meetings on his behalf but it's ok bc he wasn't a public figure?

Come the fuck on!!! All I can say is if you think this is ok don't go bitching when a person with a D by their name does it ::)

Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: tonymctones on July 13, 2017, 08:11:56 AM
So, Trump supporters have every right to take anything that comes out of the MSM with a grain of salt.
What part of the events and details surrounding this meeting do you feel are inaccurate? The guy tweeted his own emails!!!' The media didn't make that shit up this fuck nuts has confirmed it...
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Thin Lizzy on July 13, 2017, 08:25:09 AM
What part of the events and details surrounding this meeting do you feel are inaccurate? The guy tweeted his own emails!!!' The media didn't make that shit up this fuck nuts has confirmed it...

It seems like the facts regarding this meeting are a bit sketchy. I suspect we're going to hear more within the next few days.

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/homenews/administration/341788-exclusive-doj-let-russian-lawyer-into-us-before-she-met-with-trump%3Famp

"But in an interview with NBC News earlier this week, Veselnitskaya acknowledged her contacts with Trump Jr. and in Washington were part of a lobbying campaign to get members of Congress and American political figures to see "the real circumstances behind the Magnitsky Act."


It's still just a campaign trying to get dirt on another campaign. The only issue was whether the source was proper. Has this been determined to be a illegal? I haven't heard any such thing. I've just heard a lot of hyperbole from various opponents of Trump.

It's also very easy for you sitting there with 2020 hindsight to pass judgment to say this was the wrong move. How do you know you wouldn't of done the same thing under those circumstances. You could make a case that the campaign would be derelict in its duty if it didn't follow up a lead about getting dirt on an opponent.

Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: jude2 on July 13, 2017, 08:34:15 AM
It seems like the facts regarding this meeting are a bit sketchy. I suspect we're going to hear more within the next few days.

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/homenews/administration/341788-exclusive-doj-let-russian-lawyer-into-us-before-she-met-with-trump%3Famp

"But in an interview with NBC News earlier this week, Veselnitskaya acknowledged her contacts with Trump Jr. and in Washington were part of a lobbying campaign to get members of Congress and American political figures to see "the real circumstances behind the Magnitsky Act."


It's still just a campaign trying to get dirt on another campaign. The only issue was whether the source was proper. Has this been determined to be a illegal? I haven't heard any such thing. I've just heard a lot of hyperbole from various opponents of Trump.
It is not illegal.
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Thin Lizzy on July 13, 2017, 08:36:11 AM
It is not illegal.

If that's the case, then there's nothing to see here. It's just more of the same. Certain people don't like the outcome of the election. It's a simple as that.
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: tonymctones on July 13, 2017, 08:47:33 AM
It seems like the facts regarding this meeting are a bit sketchy. I suspect we're going to hear more within the next few days.

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/homenews/administration/341788-exclusive-doj-let-russian-lawyer-into-us-before-she-met-with-trump%3Famp

"But in an interview with NBC News earlier this week, Veselnitskaya acknowledged her contacts with Trump Jr. and in Washington were part of a lobbying campaign to get members of Congress and American political figures to see "the real circumstances behind the Magnitsky Act."


It's still just a campaign trying to get dirt on another campaign. The only issue was whether the source was proper. Has this been determined to be a illegal? I haven't heard any such thing. I've just heard a lot of hyperbole from various opponents of Trump.
It doesn't matter that she was already in the US, like you stated she was campaigning for the removal of the magnistky act.

Trump jr went to this meeting with the understanding that he was going to get information from the Russian government that would implicate Clinton and the dnc in campaign funding fraud...this is all per trump jr. emails.

It is not just a campaign trying to get dirt on another. It's a campaign trying to get dirt from a hostile foreign govt. you think Russia was trying to do this out of the goodness of their hearts?!? ::)

Legality isn't the arbiter or right and wrong. What Clinton did with her emails was wrong, operation fast and furious was wrong, Obama spying on the press was wrong...none of them were deemed illegal

I guess by your standards that makes them all ok and you didn't bitch about any of them...
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: tom joad on July 13, 2017, 08:47:43 AM
It seems like the facts regarding this meeting are a bit sketchy. I suspect we're going to hear more within the next few days.

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/homenews/administration/341788-exclusive-doj-let-russian-lawyer-into-us-before-she-met-with-trump%3Famp

"But in an interview with NBC News earlier this week, Veselnitskaya acknowledged her contacts with Trump Jr. and in Washington were part of a lobbying campaign to get members of Congress and American political figures to see "the real circumstances behind the Magnitsky Act."


It's still just a campaign trying to get dirt on another campaign. The only issue was whether the source was proper. Has this been determined to be a illegal? I haven't heard any such thing. I've just heard a lot of hyperbole from various opponents of Trump.

it appears that the campaign was expecting to get quite the dirt from this Russian source for Junior, Kushner & Manafort (the 3 biggest dudes) all to take some time to attend the meeting.  
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Thin Lizzy on July 13, 2017, 08:51:48 AM
it appears that the campaign was expecting to get quite the dirt from this Russian source for Junior, Kushner & Manafort (the 3 biggest dudes) all to take the time to attend the meeting.  

If it's not illegal, why wouldn't you take that meeting? All we're arguing about is the source. I don't blame the Clinton campaign for using that tape of Trump talking about pussy. That's what you do when you're  in a political race. They play hardball at that level.
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: tonymctones on July 13, 2017, 09:15:31 AM
If it's not illegal, why wouldn't you take that meeting? All we're arguing about is the source. I don't blame the Clinton campaign for using that tape of Trump talking about pussy. That's what you do when you're  in a political race. They play hardball at that level.
The reason you don't is bc it puts you in a compromising position. Again do you think the Russians were doing this just for fun?

That position is made even worse when you lie for months on end by saying that Russia wasn't trying to help the trump campaign.

There is a report going around that Russia has been funding far left environmental groups to help diminish the US production of oil and gas...are you ok with this?
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: tom joad on July 13, 2017, 09:21:04 AM
It doesn't matter that she was already in the US, like you stated she was campaigning for the removal of the magnistky act.

Trump jr went to this meeting with the understanding that he was going to get information from the Russian government that would implicate Clinton and the dnc in campaign funding fraud...this is all per trump jr. emails.

It is not just a campaign trying to get dirt on another. It's a campaign trying to get dirt from a hostile foreign govt. you think Russia was trying to do this out of the goodness of their hearts?!? ::)

Legality isn't the arbiter or right and wrong. What Clinton did with her emails was wrong, operation fast and furious was wrong, Obama spying on the press was wrong...none of them were deemed illegal

I guess by your standards that makes them all ok and you didn't bitch about any of them...

Trump supporters apparently do not view Russia as an adversarial foreign government.

(Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave.)
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: polychronopolous on July 13, 2017, 09:26:08 AM
The Democrats really need to come up with a message and leave all this Russian conspiracy hand wringing alone.

It won't change the fact that they will get slaughtered in 2018 but it might actually help some of the bleeding in a few of the blue House districts.
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Thin Lizzy on July 13, 2017, 10:46:47 AM
The Democrats really need to come up with a message and leave all this Russian conspiracy hand wringing alone.

It won't change the fact that they will get slaughtered in 2018 but it might actually help some of the bleeding in a few of the blue House districts.

 Got to give them credit for getting a lot of mileage out of this, especially when you consider the complete lack of substance.
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Las Vegas on July 13, 2017, 11:46:29 AM
Got to give them credit for getting a lot of mileage out of this, especially when you consider the complete lack of substance.

Probably helps when you hold rights to all the faces on TV, screaming and bellowing the synchronized message.
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Las Vegas on July 13, 2017, 11:51:16 AM
The "information" in question: Is it unknown by us at this point?
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Howard on July 13, 2017, 12:33:07 PM
If that's the case, then there's nothing to see here. It's just more of the same. Certain people don't like the outcome of the election. It's a simple as that.

Ok, so there should be no harm investigating it then.

If what you say is TRUE, then team Trump will be vindicated
and win in landslide for re-election in 2020.

Of course, if they are found guilty of collusion and obstruction... :'(
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Kazan on July 13, 2017, 12:41:03 PM
Ok, so there should be no harm investigating it then.

If what you say is TRUE, then team Trump will be vindicated
and win in landslide for re-election in 2020.

Of course, if they are found guilty of collusion and obstruction... :'(

Then why don't they actually do it? As far as I can tell .gov has been monitoring this Russian interference since 2015. Wasn't a problem apparently when it was thought that Clinton was a shoe in. 
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Dos Equis on July 13, 2017, 04:39:36 PM
Ok, so there should be no harm investigating it then.

If what you say is TRUE, then team Trump will be vindicated
and win in landslide for re-election in 2020.

Of course, if they are found guilty of collusion and obstruction... :'(

Can you explain this "collusion" crime? 
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Thin Lizzy on July 13, 2017, 04:54:04 PM
Apparently, this woman was in the United States six months after her visa exception expired, and nobody seems to know why. Will there be an investigation about this as well? Or do we just investigate the Trump administration.
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: George Whorewell on July 13, 2017, 05:31:00 PM
 ::)

Prediction: This blows up in the MSM's face like every other fake news/phony Russian scandal that has been promulgated over the past 9 months.

Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Dos Equis on July 13, 2017, 05:32:07 PM
::)

Prediction: This blows up in the MSM's face like every other fake news/phony Russian scandal that has been promulgated over the past 9 months.



Yep.  Completely agree. 
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Las Vegas on July 13, 2017, 08:18:27 PM
::)

Prediction: This blows up in the MSM's face like every other fake news/phony Russian scandal that has been promulgated over the past 9 months.



That's the secret to the game, IMO.  It would take them to report on the blow-up.

Knowing they're safe allows them to act like this.
Title: Re: Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason'
Post by: Thin Lizzy on July 13, 2017, 10:22:03 PM
::)

Prediction: This blows up in the MSM's face like every other fake news/phony Russian scandal that has been promulgated over the past 9 months.



 
It's already happening. No one knows why this woman was still in the country well after her visa had expired and Loretta Lynch has taken to covering her fat ass and is blaming the state department.


https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/homenews/administration/341969-lynch-distances-herself-from-russian-lawyer-after-trump-attack%3Famp

So, now the MSM has to explain why it was the end of the world when Trump Junior met with this woman, but it's no big deal that she overstayed her visa and was conducting activities which were different than the reason she was given the visa in the first place.