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https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-agents-searched-former-trump-143943426.html
No worries, Kelly Ann will say it was a "fake raid" :D
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Aaaaaand another desperate attempt by Howard to rationalize his ideology/vote for Hillary.
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This happened on July 26th, hours after the raid trump tweeted this...
Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
Why didn't A.G. Sessions replace Acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe, a Comey friend who was in charge of Clinton investigation but got....
6:48 AM - Jul 26, 2017
Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
...big dollars ($700,000) for his wife's political run from Hillary Clinton and her representatives. Drain the Swamp!
6:52 AM - Jul 26, 2017
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While leftists like Strawman and the MSM are using Alinski tactics to attack Trump and bullshit fake collusion, he's actually working on policy, the economy, social issues and foreign affairs. This guy had done more good for this country in six months than Obama has even thought of in the last eight years.
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Why do they care about Manafort?
Spicer said he played a "very limited role" in Trump's campaign.
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Why do they care about Manafort?
Spicer said he played a "very limited role" in Trump's campaign.
Indeed. Why do an early morning raid on someone who has been cooperating with the authorities
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-agents-searched-former-trump-143943426.html
No worries, Kelly Ann will say it was a "fake raid" :D
haven't you heard
Trump was awarded the presidency 8 months ago
That's all that matters
Everything else is fake news
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Indeed. Why do an early morning raid on someone who has been cooperating with the authorities
I guess Manafort's testimony the previous day wasn't fully believable...
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I guess Manafort's testimony the previous day wasn't fully believable...
I'm sure we will find out in the press by Friday afternoon.
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I'm sure we will find out in the press by Friday afternoon.
I don't think we hear much from Mueller's investigation...this raid happened a couple of weeks ago as per Manafort's spokesman.
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I don't think we hear much from Mueller's investigation...this raid happened a couple of weeks ago as per Manafort's spokesman.
But we still heard about this raid through the press.... A month old raid. Why did it leak now?
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But we still heard about this raid through the press.... A month old raid. Why did it leak now?
Not sure but Trump seemed to know about it within hours...
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This happened on July 26. This is a diversion story to take the focus off NK. Libs are pure vermin
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This happened on July 26. This is a diversion story to take the focus off NK. Libs are pure vermin
Your post makes no sense at all.
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Your post makes no sense at all.
What part? If it happened on the 26th why was the story released now?
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One of the things that's interesting about this is how aggressive they are being with an investigation in search of a crime. Why didn't the FBI use these kinds of tactics with Clinton when they had evidence that an actual crime had been committed?
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One of the things that's interesting about this is how aggressive they are being with an investigation in search of a crime. Why didn't the FBI use these kinds of tactics with Clinton when they had evidence that an actual crime had been committed?
How do you know that a crime wasn't committed? Maybe more evidence is being gathered for prosecution.
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How do you know that a crime wasn't committed? Maybe more evidence is being gathered for prosecution.
There is zero evidence of a crime being committed. Even though there is zero evidence of "collusion," even if there were, collusion isn't a crime.
This whole thing is retarded. There should be evidence of a crime before we spend probably millions of taxpayer dollars on a partisan witch hunt. Not just a partisan witch hunt, but the stupidest conspiracy theory since 9/11.
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While leftists like Strawman and the MSM are using Alinski tactics to attack Trump and bullshit fake collusion, he's actually working on policy, the economy, social issues and foreign affairs. This guy had done more good for this country in six months than Obama has even thought of in the last eight years.
Hold on to these thoughts, they may be useful to you in the future.
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There is zero evidence of a crime being committed. Even though there is zero evidence of "collusion," even if there were, collusion isn't a crime.
This whole thing is retarded. There should be evidence of a crime before we spend probably millions of taxpayer dollars on a partisan witch hunt. Not just a partisan witch hunt, but the stupidest conspiracy theory since 9/11.
(https://i.redd.it/gq5cy9si5sez.jpg)
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What part? If it happened on the 26th why was the story released now?
...I guess because the Washington Post was only able to verify the story today.
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...I guess because the Washington Post was only able to verify the story today.
Did the article mention how they verified the story? just curious
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There is zero evidence of a crime being committed. Even though there is zero evidence of "collusion," even if there were, collusion isn't a crime.
This whole thing is retarded. There should be evidence of a crime before we spend probably millions of taxpayer dollars on a partisan witch hunt. Not just a partisan witch hunt, but the stupidest conspiracy theory since 9/11.
Even though the raid happenning right after testifying is a very aggressive move that happened under McCabe, failing to register as a foreign agent is a felony and both Manafort and Flynn did not register while they acted in that capacity. However, the DOJ "chooses" not to prosecute this, which is BS. Having said that, many more people, especially those who are "extremely careless" or habitually "can't recall" should have been raided without warning; alas, it seems once someone reaches a certain pay grade they are above the law.
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Did the article mention how they verified the story? just curious
Manafort's spokesman Jason Maloni
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Even though the raid happenning right after testifying is a very aggressive move that happened under McCabe, failing to register as a foreign agent is a felony and both Manafort and Flynn did not register while they acted in that capacity. However, the DOJ "chooses" not to prosecute this, which is BS. Having said that, many more people, especially those who are "extremely careless" or habitually "can't recall" should have been raided without warning; alas, it seems once someone reaches a certain pay grade they are above the law.
Truth.
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There is zero evidence of a crime being committed. Even though there is zero evidence of "collusion," even if there were, collusion isn't a crime.
This whole thing is retarded. There should be evidence of a crime before we spend probably millions of taxpayer dollars on a partisan witch hunt. Not just a partisan witch hunt, but the stupidest conspiracy theory since 9/11.
You make no sense. Investigators don't lay all their cards on the table as soon as they find a shred of evidence. You have no way to know if there is evidence or not.
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You make no sense. Investigators don't lay all their cards on the table as soon as they find a shred of evidence. You have no way to know if there is evidence or not.
BS. You need at least some evidence BEFORE you start an investigation. What is the crime that is being investigated?
Where is any evidence of that crime?
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BS. You need at least some evidence BEFORE you start an investigation. What is the crime that is being investigated?
Where is any evidence of that crime?
There is obviously evidence if they were granted a search warrant.
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There is obviously evidence if they were granted a search warrant.
Evidence of what?
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BS. You need at least some evidence BEFORE you start an investigation. What is the crime that is being investigated?
Where is any evidence of that crime?
Yeah you need some evidence. What makes you think your going to be told what evidence they have while they're still conducting an investigation?
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Yeah you need some evidence. What makes you think your going to be told what evidence they have while they're still conducting an investigation?
Are you friggin serious? There are leaks about everything in DC.
In any event, what is the crime and where is the evidence of that crime?
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Evidence of what?
Only the judge, the FBI and Mueller's team know for sure.
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Only the judge, the FBI and Mueller's team know for sure.
lol. Whatever. You conspiracy theorists are funny. You know there is "something" there, you just have zero facts to rely on.
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No, these guys can gain a search based on nothing but strung-along words. And they'll get away with it as closely to 100% as the wildest imagination might figure.
But of course sometimes they'll get lucky.
That's what happens when we pretend the "authorities" are beyond question.
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No, these guys can gain a search based on nothing but strung-along words. And they'll get away with it as closely to 100% as the wildest imagination might figure.
But of course sometimes they'll get lucky.
That's what happens when we pretend the "authorities" are beyond question.
Here's an explanation by a very "Trump friendly" judge on the very "Trump friendly" Fox News.
Judge Nap on Manafort Raid: 'It Tells Me There's a There There
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/08/09/paul-manafort-raid-judge-napolitano-reacts-latest-mueller-russia-probe
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lol. Whatever. You conspiracy theorists are funny. You know there is "something" there, you just have zero facts to rely on.
Listen, I don't know if there is evidence and you don't know if there isn't. Do you have any idea how an investigation works?
Why get all butthurt because some crooks are being investigated? Your bias is really showing.
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Listen, I don't know if there is evidence and you don't know if there isn't. Do you have any idea how an investigation works?
Why get all butthurt because some crooks are being investigated? Your bias is really showing.
Look, I know several things:
1. You are unable to identify the alleged crime Trump committed.
2. You are unable to identify ANY evidence of Trump committing a crime.
3. "Colluding" with Russia, even if it happened (and there is zero evidence it did), is not a crime.
4. I know that an investigation of a crime starts with at least some evidence of a crime being committed, not the bassawkwards way this ridiculous Trump-Russia conspiracy theory started and continues.
In order for someone to be a "crook" they must have committed a crime. So again, what crime did Trump commit?
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Where is Howard? He couldn't even properly tell us what Manafort's role in the campaign was, but he knew there was something there because he is an Independent voter
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Where is Howard? He couldn't even properly tell us what Manafort's role in the campaign was, but he knew there was something there because he is an Independent voter
Howard didn't know that Manafort was not Trump's first campaign manager.
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One of the things that's interesting about this is how aggressive they are being with an investigation in search of a crime. Why didn't the FBI use these kinds of tactics with Clinton when they had evidence that an actual crime had been committed?
"evidence" that you imagine doesn't count
and there is no way for Mueller to have gotten this search warrant without probable cause
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"evidence" that you imagine doesn't count
and there is no way for Mueller to have gotten this search warrant without probable cause
You're delusional if you think Mueller would actually get a warrant for "probable cause" since there was no "probable cause" and if that was the case and he actually had no bias, Killary would have been indicted already with PROOF of evidence.
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You're delusional if you think Mueller would actually get a warrant for "probable cause" since there was no "probable cause" and if that was the case and he actually had no bias, Killary would have been indicted already with PROOF of evidence.
What does Mueller have to do with the FBI investigation on Clinton?
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Aaaaaand another desperate attempt by Howard to rationalize his ideology/vote for Hillary.
The election is over and Trump won.
This investigation is about possible collusion and financial crimes with a foreign adversary.
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There is zero evidence of a crime being committed. Even though there is zero evidence of "collusion," even if there were, collusion isn't a crime.
This whole thing is retarded. There should be evidence of a crime before we spend probably millions of taxpayer dollars on a partisan witch hunt. Not just a partisan witch hunt, but the stupidest conspiracy theory since 9/11.
I'll fwd this post to special consul Robert Mueller, with the tag phrase "hope this helps".
Once he learns the views posted by Dos Equis, he'll likely
conclude he's on a witch hunt and terminate the investigation. :o
This "reality denial" reminds me of the girl who farts with only 1 other person on an elevator.
They both know who did it , but she can't admit her butt smells. :D
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BS. You need at least some evidence BEFORE you start an investigation. What is the crime that is being investigated?
Where is any evidence of that crime?
You're correct that Robert Mueller must have had some evidence he could prove, to get a search warrant.
Having a pre-down raid required substantial proof for probable cause that he was involved in serious crimes.
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lol. Whatever. You conspiracy theorists are funny. You know there is "something" there, you just have zero facts to rely on.
This is no "conspiracy theory".
We know who is being investigated and who is in charge of the investigation.
Special Consul Robert Mueller is leading the investigation into team Trump
for POSSIBLE crimes involving: collusion, money laundering, obstruction of justice, etc.
Trump supporters may not like it, but it's still basic reality.
Ok it looks bad , BUT ,Pres. Trump isn't AUTOMATICALLY guilty by default.
Let's allow the facts and details to come in before either side renders judgment.
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You're correct that Robert Mueller must have had some evidence he could prove, to get a search warrant.
Having a pre-down raid required substantial proof for probable cause that he was involved in serious crimes.
Both are assumptions made by you.
You couldn't define substantial proof with a dictionary and thesaurus shoved up your ass
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Both are assumptions made by you.
You couldn't define substantial proof with a dictionary and thesaurus shoved up your ass
Well luckily for us we don't need Howard's definition, there was a federal judge for that.
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Here's an explanation by a very "Trump friendly" judge on the very "Trump friendly" Fox News.
Judge Nap on Manafort Raid: 'It Tells Me There's a There There
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/08/09/paul-manafort-raid-judge-napolitano-reacts-latest-mueller-russia-probe
Bingo
You can start an investigation on nothing more than suspicion of a crime
You're not getting a judge to issue a search warrant without probable cause
I've said before (months ago) that Manifort is probably involved in money laundering and very likely tax evasion (kind of go hand in hand)
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Well luckily for us we don't need Howard's definition, there was a federal judge for that.
At this point you don't even know if Manafort is the subject of or witness in the investigation.
You people are so easily lead by the media.
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No, these guys can gain a search based on nothing but strung-along words. And they'll get away with it as closely to 100% as the wildest imagination might figure.
But of course sometimes they'll get lucky.
That's what happens when we pretend the "authorities" are beyond question.
horseshit
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At this point you don't even know if Manafort is the subject of or witness in the investigation.
You people are so easily lead by the media.
Hahaha...I don't think I'm going too far out on a limb assuming he's the subject. If at some point he becomes a witness, the very top of the Trump administration would presumably be in big trouble.
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Bingo
You can start an investigation on nothing more than suspicion of a crime
You're not getting a judge to issue a search warrant without probable cause
I've said before (months ago) that Manifort is probably involved in money laundering and very likely tax evasion (kind of go hand in hand)
Unless it's Judge Kelly Ann Conway, reasonable evidence of a crime will be required to issue a search warrant.
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Howard didn't know that Manafort was not Trump's first campaign manager.
I know more then you guys might want to believe.
For better or worse, you folks only know me from this forum.
Oh well, unlike my dogs and 9 wives ( 8 ex + 1 current) you don't have to see me naked :o
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I'll fwd this post to special consul Robert Mueller, with the tag phrase "hope this helps".
Once he learns the views posted by Dos Equis, he'll likely
conclude he's on a witch hunt and terminate the investigation. :o
This "reality denial" reminds me of the girl who farts with only 1 other person on an elevator.
They both know who did it , but she can't admit her butt smells. :D
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This is no "conspiracy theory".
We know who is being investigated and who is in charge of the investigation.
Special Consul Robert Mueller is leading the investigation into team Trump
for POSSIBLE crimes involving: collusion, money laundering, obstruction of justice, etc.
Trump supporters may not like it, but it's still basic reality.
Ok it looks bad , BUT ,Pres. Trump isn't AUTOMATICALLY guilty by default.
Let's allow the facts and details to come in before either side renders judgment.
Unless you want to explain precisely how Russia-in a conspiracy with Trump-hacked our election, the actual crime being investigated, and any evidence that Trump committed that crime, just shut the heck up already.
And have a nice day. :)
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horseshit
No, not horseshit. Police often get warrants on little more than "WE WANT ONE!"
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Unless you want to explain precisely how Russia-in a conspiracy with Trump-hacked our election, the actual crime being investigated, and any evidence that Trump committed that crime, just shut the heck up already.
And have a nice day. :)
Trump is guilty. Deal with it. ::)
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Trump is guilty. Deal with it. ::)
Guilty of what?
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Guilty of what?
Collusion, obstruction of justice, maybe some Russian oligarch money laundering, etc.
You want to know some more about the specifics on the Russian collusion and hacking, ok.
Team Trump is being investigated they got with Russian hackers about their breaking in to the DNC server.
These hacks were also released by wiki-leaks as a 3rd party to present a public face for the media.
Please note, colluding with a foreign adversary during a campaign is illegal.
That sums it up.
FYI , you don't have to like it or believe it. You don't have to like me or the media for reporting it.
You may want choose to believe Trump and his supporters instead.
Whatever you choose to do or what I post won't change the findings of the investigator.
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Collusion, obstruction of justice, maybe some Russian oligarch money laundering, etc.
You want to know some more about the specifics on the Russian collusion and hacking, ok.
Team Trump is being investigated they got with Russian hackers about their breaking in to the DNC server.
These hacks were also released by wiki-leaks as a 3rd party to present a public face for the media.
Please note, colluding with a foreign adversary during a campaign is illegal.
That sums it up.
FYI , you don't have to like it or believe it. You don't have to like me or the media for reporting it.
You may want choose to believe Trump and his supporters instead.
Whatever you choose to do or what I post won't change the findings of the investigator.
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Are you friggin serious? There are leaks about everything in DC.
In any event, what is the crime and where is the evidence of that crime?
If you don't know about it, then it must not exist. LOL. ::)
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One of the things that's interesting about this is how aggressive they are being with an investigation in search of a crime. Why didn't the FBI use these kinds of tactics with Clinton when they had evidence that an actual crime had been committed?
I know children often use the "point and blame the other kids" defense...
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Collusion, obstruction of justice, maybe some Russian oligarch money laundering, etc.
You want to know some more about the specifics on the Russian collusion and hacking, ok.
Team Trump is being investigated they got with Russian hackers about their breaking in to the DNC server.
These hacks were also released by wiki-leaks as a 3rd party to present a public face for the media.
Please note, colluding with a foreign adversary during a campaign is illegal.
That sums it up.
FYI , you don't have to like it or believe it. You don't have to like me or the media for reporting it.
You may want choose to believe Trump and his supporters instead.
Whatever you choose to do or what I post won't change the findings of the investigator.
Wait. A substantive response?? I'm not even sure how to respond. lol
Ok. Now that I've gathered myself:
1. Trump is guilty of collusion? You claim "colluding with a foreign adversary during a campaign is illegal." What specific law are you talking about? I'd like to read it.
2. What evidence is there that Trump "colluded with a foreign adversary during a campaign"?
3. So the "hacking" of the election you keep repeating like the good little bot is Russia hacking John Podesta's email account and then releasing genuine copies of Hillary Clinton's emails. And Trump is "guilty" of this? What evidence is there that Trump hacked or assisted with the hacking of John Podesta's emails?
4. Trump is guilty of "money laundering"? And the evidence of this is what exactly?
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If you don't know about it, then it must not exist. LOL. ::)
It exists in your paranoid conspiracy theorist mind.
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I know children often use the "point and blame the other kids" defense...
If anyone wants to know how children communicate, they only need read any given post by you on this board.
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There is zero evidence of a crime being committed. Even though there is zero evidence of "collusion," even if there were, collusion isn't a crime.
This whole thing is retarded. There should be evidence of a crime before we spend probably millions of taxpayer dollars on a partisan witch hunt. Not just a partisan witch hunt, but the stupidest conspiracy theory since 9/11.
You have access to all the evidence that Mueller and his team have? Then how can you say there is no evidence? It's an investigation, evidence is collected as part of the investigation. If there is no evidence then there wouldn't have been grand juries convened. Actually it is a crime, a felony to lie on a security clearance form, which pretty much every person close to Trump did. I would say the Trump jr. meeting with the intent of getting damaging information on Clinton is collusion wouldn't you?
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No, not horseshit. Police often get warrants on little more than "WE WANT ONE!"
No they don't.
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You have access to all the evidence that Mueller and his team have? Then how can you say there is no evidence? It's an investigation, evidence is collected as part of the investigation. If there is no evidence then there wouldn't have been grand juries convened. Actually it is a crime, a felony to lie on a security clearance form, which pretty much every person close to Trump did. I would say the Trump jr. meeting with the intent of getting damaging information on Clinton is collusion wouldn't you?
An investigation starts with evidence. You don't start an investigation into something without at least some evidence of a crime. In this situation, there is zero. If there was anything, even a shred, it would have been leaked.
How do you know every person close to Trump lied on "security clearance forms"?
Collusion is not a crime. And no, meeting with someone to possibly obtain opposition research on your political opponent is not a crime.
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No they don't.
Of course they don't. That's why I didn't find these on the first page of Google results in under 30 seconds...
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/09/nyregion/police-officer-is-convicted-of-perjury-to-get-a-search-warrant.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nypd-cops-accused-lying-search-warrant-grand-jury-article-1.2974872
http://www.wxii12.com/article/reidsville-police-sergeant-fired-after-material-in-search-warrant-appeared-to-be-reckless-without-bias-misleading/10328333
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No, not horseshit. Police often get warrants on little more than "WE WANT ONE!"
This situation is too high profile for what you suggest about obtaining a warrant. The FBI and the police are not in the same category.
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Of course they don't. That's why I didn't find these on the first page of Google results in under 30 seconds...
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/09/nyregion/police-officer-is-convicted-of-perjury-to-get-a-search-warrant.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nypd-cops-accused-lying-search-warrant-grand-jury-article-1.2974872
http://www.wxii12.com/article/reidsville-police-sergeant-fired-after-material-in-search-warrant-appeared-to-be-reckless-without-bias-misleading/10328333
what was your search criteria ?
None of the links listed support your claim that police get warrants on little more than "we want one"
All three are instances appear to be police lying or misleading about probable cause to get the warrant
Why mislead their probable cause arguement when they could have just said "we want one" ?
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what was your search criteria ?
None of the links listed support your claim that police get warrants on little more than "we want one"
All three are instances appear to be police lying or misleading about probable cause to get the warrant
Why mislead their probable cause arguement when they could have just said "we want one" ?
Several cases of warrants without probable cause that are rubber stamped by judges or magistrates and turn out to be invalid only after a raid has been conducted or persons killed.
Apparently the criminals obtained a warrant for this horrific abuse. And why would a judge even care about that if he has immunity?
http://www.businessinsider.com/david-eckerts-traffic-stop-in-new-mexico-2013-11
Another warrant that lacked probable cause and yet was signed by a magistrate and led to the death of a 69 year old man:
http://www.dailypress.com/news/crime/dp-nws-motion-cooper-20160123-story.html
More:
https://www.bernardbrody.com/ga-court-of-appeals-reversal-due-to-invalid-search-warrant/
More:
https://www.abqjournal.com/126443/evidence-in-murder-case-thrown-out.html
And more:
http://www.courtnewsohio.gov/cases/2014/SCO/1104/130688.asp
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what was your search criteria ?
None of the links listed support your claim that police get warrants on little more than "we want one"
All three are instances appear to be police lying or misleading about probable cause to get the warrant
Lying and getting a warrant IS getting a warrant by saying "we want one".
I'd post some more links, but I see skeletal already beat me to it.
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Lying and getting a warrant IS getting a warrant by saying "we want one".
I'd post some more links, but I see skeletal already beat me to it.
no it's not
saying "we want one" and lying/using deception to get that are two different things
do you think Mueller lied or just said "we want one" ?
I'm only asking because that's what we're talking about...right?
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Lol, maybe Manfort or Manafort or whatever his name is will go down. I don't know. Perhaps he's a crook.
But you want to see what slippery bastards do in action, look at Minneapolis (for one thing) where the cops actually managed to gain entry to search the residence of their victim when it hadn't a valid THING to do with any information they'd had up to that point.
They wanted so badly to find something to excuse or at least lessen the terrible appearance of their cold-blooded killing, they got right down to business and handled it without a hint of resistance from anyone.
So if you expect that everything works in a "fair" manner, you can think again. Don't jump to conclusions. Very, very ignorant.
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Thanks, guys. Yeah, we could make a 100-page thread on that subject alone.
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no it's not
saying "we want one" and lying/using deception to get that are two different things
do you think Mueller lied or just said "we want one" ?
I'm only asking because that's what we're talking about...right?
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I hope you're not asking whether it's in the realm of possibility that something may have been misrepresented, Straw. At this point, I'd have to think you're trolling us for some reason.
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It exists in your paranoid conspiracy theorist mind.
We can debate on this form all we want and I enjoy it.
However, the only thing that will matter in the end is the findings of the special consul investigation.
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An investigation starts with evidence. You don't start an investigation into something without at least some evidence of a crime. In this situation, there is zero. If there was anything, even a shred, it would have been leaked.
How do you know every person close to Trump lied on "security clearance forms"?
Collusion is not a crime. And no, meeting with someone to possibly obtain opposition research on your political opponent is not a crime.
I'm not sure how this will end , but let's just say it looks bad for team Trump, at THIS point.
It's like seeing a drunk ho leaving the club with 3 biker dudes .
She may not be butt raped, but her anus is clearly in danger.
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I hope you're not asking whether it's in the realm of possibility that something may have been misrepresented, Straw. At this point, I'd have to think you're trolling us for some reason.
sure, let's just speculate that Mueller somehow got a judge to issue a search warrant based on "we want one"
I'm sure that would hold up great in court
no doubt Mueller and the judge are both that stupid
that seems to make the most sense
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sure, let's just speculate that Mueller somehow got a judge to issue a search warrant based on "we want one"
I'm sure that would hold up great in court
no doubt Mueller and the judge are both that stupid
that seems to make the most sense
Does it mean you believe all searches are valid, as long as they have paperwork to back them?
That can't be so, because how do you explain the mountain of those which weren't/aren't?
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sure, let's just speculate that Mueller somehow got a judge to issue a search warrant based on "we want one"
I'm sure that would hold up great in court
no doubt Mueller and the judge are both that stupid
that seems to make the most sense
Exactly the point.
If Mueller wants any charge to stick he knows he needs to be VERY careful about HIS actions.
You know , the first things Manafort's lawyers checked out was the details on the search warrant.
Notice the Trump supporters have yet to find anything careless about Mueller's investigation.
You KNOW, the Trump supporters would be all over ANYTHING Mueller did wrong.
The current team Trump supporter defense for the investigation is :
1. Try to switch the topic to what Hillary did
2. Claim the core content of the Russia stuff is nothing and the investigation is done to hurt Trump.
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Does it mean you believe all searches are valid, as long as they have paperwork to back them?
That can't be so, because how do you explain the mountain of those which weren't/aren't?
who's talking about all search warrants
I'm talking about Mueller
The guy leading the most high profile criminal investigation in this country
Former head of the FBI who worked 12 years at US Attorney Office in various positions prosecuting very high profile cases.
He also has a staff of high level attorneys working for him
I'm pretty sure this guy knows how to request a valid and legally defensible search warrant
Not exactly the same as a beat cop lying to get a search warrant on some low level drug dealer
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who's talking about all search warrants
I'm talking about Mueller
The guy leading the most high profile criminal investigation in this country
Former head of the FBI who worked 12 years at US Attorney Office in various positions prosecuting very high profile cases.
He also has a staff of high level attorneys working for him
I'm pretty sure this guy knows how to request a valid and legally defensible search warrant
Not exactly the same a beat cop lying to get a search warrant on some low level drug dealer
You have faith that everything's good and right in this case, based on that. OK.
I'm not about to defend Manafort against the idea he's possibly crooked, but I'm not as confident in this process as you. Not even close.
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You have faith that everything's good and right in this case, based on that. OK.
I'm not about to defend Manafort against the idea he's possibly crooked, but I'm not as confident in this process as you. Not even close.
I'm not at all concerned about "the process" in this case for all the reasons explained in prior posts
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I'm glad they are looking into Trump's whore secretary too! I bet she's guzzled gallons of Russian jizz and hacked voting machines in North Carolina, Florida, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.
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I'm not at all concerned about "the process" in this case for all the reasons explained in prior posts
You're not concerned, because you can't allow yourself to miss the slightest shot against anyone associated with Trump. Just like others on this board who did and do the same with Obama and his.
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You're not concerned, because you can't allow yourself to miss the slightest shot against anyone associated with Trump. Just like others on this board who did and do the same with Obama and his.
Mueller's reputation has been beyond reproach his whole career. Why would you think this investigation will be any different?
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You're not concerned, because you can't allow yourself to miss the slightest shot against anyone associated with Trump. Just like others on this board who did and do the same with Obama and his.
it's got absolutely nothing to do with Trump
I believe Mueller and his team are smart enough to get a valid and legally defensible warrant
They would be stupid to do otherwise
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Mueller's reputation has been beyond reproach his whole career. Why would you think this investigation will be any different?
I don't know that's true, for one thing. And I sincerely doubt Mueller has been involved in anything such as this, previously.
And just to be clear: I'm not about to pretend to think Manafort absolutely hasn't been up to making tidy little deals for himself that he may now regret. For all I know, he has.
BTW, anyone know much about him? How much money does he have? A million, maybe? Millions? Many multi-millions?
About how wealthy is he known to be?
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We can debate on this form all we want and I enjoy it.
However, the only thing that will matter in the end is the findings of the special consul investigation.
You don't debate. You regurgitate talking points and run away and/or make some juvenile unfunny comment when pressed to support the absurd things you repeat.
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it's got absolutely nothing to do with Trump
I believe Mueller and his team are smart enough to get a valid and legally defensible warrant
They would be stupid to do otherwise
The situation with Manafort? Yeah, I'd say that's most likely true.
Your reasons for posting? Bullshit. Show me your critical posts against Hillary or Obama or some other like person.
You act just like the guys you fight against.
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You don't debate. You regurgitate talking points and run away and/or make some juvenile unfunny comment when pressed to support the absurd things you repeat.
He's got you, here, Howard. You're a good dude but you're a pro-bullshitter when it comes to politics. I bet even you'd admit it.
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The situation with Manafort? Yeah, I'd say that's most likely true.
Your reasons for posting? Bullshit. Show me your critical posts against Hillary or Obama or some other like person.
You act just like the guys you fight against.
I've made it quite clear as to why I don't doubt Mueller got a valid an enforceable search warrant
why don't you post your reasoning why you think he didn't
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I don't know that's true, for one thing. And I sincerely doubt Mueller has been involved in anything such as this, previously.
And just to be clear: I'm not about to pretend to think Manafort absolutely hasn't been up to making tidy little deals for himself that he may now regret. For all I know, he has.
BTW, anyone know much about him? How much money does he have? A million, maybe? Millions? Many multi-millions?
About how wealthy is he known to be?
Mannefort is being investigated for white collar financial crimes
Mueller has well known background in these types of cases as do many of the lawyers on his team
How about you produce something other than your gut feelings
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I've made it quite clear as to why I don't doubt Mueller got a valid an enforceable search warrant
why don't you post your reasoning why you think he didn't
I think it's possible, yes, because it happens regularly.
BTW: Do you have any idea of what his wealth may be?
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Mannefort is being investigated for white collar financial crimes
Mueller has well known background in these types of cases as do many of the lawyers on his team
How about you produce something other than your gut feelings
So they're very experienced in doing these types of things. OK.
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I think it's possible, yes, because it happens regularly.
BTW: Do you have any idea of what his wealth may be?
I wasn't aware it happened "regularly" at this level of law enforcement
I don't recall you posting anything to support that claim of both "regularity" and with this type of investigation
Please post that info
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Alrighty, after looking a bit at Manafort, yes I'd be inclined to think he's been up to no good.
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I wasn't aware it happened "regularly" at this level of law enforcement
I don't recall you posting anything to support that claim of both "regularity" and with this type of investigation
Please post that info
Once again, if you're trying to defend the idea that searches aren't questionable, then you lose.
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Once again, if you're trying to defend the idea that searches aren't questionable, then you lose.
And once again, I'm not talking about all searches everywhere by all levels of LE
I'm talking about the specific search of Manaforts home (note it was only one of his homes)
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And once again, I'm not talking about all searches everywhere by all levels of LE
I'm talking about the specific search of Manaforts home (note it was only one of his homes)
No, I'm nearer to your side about believing it's most likely real and valid and right.
But what about those critical posts of yours, mentioned earlier? Can you at least recall any? Serious question.
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Alrighty, after looking a bit at Manafort, yes I'd be inclined to think he's been up to no good.
My conclusion that Mueller and his team are smart enough to get a valid search warrant has nothing to do with whether I think Manafort has been up to no good
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No, I'm nearer to your side about believing it's most likely real and valid and right.
But what about those critical posts of yours, mentioned earlier? Can you at least recall any? Serious question.
I'm not sure what you're referring to
just re-post or bump them and I'll respond
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You don't debate. You regurgitate talking points and run away and/or make some juvenile unfunny comment when pressed to support the absurd things you repeat.
Well now, we'll see who was right when it's over. ;)
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Well now, we'll see who was right when it's over. ;)
You don't even know what you are "arguing" about. ::)
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You don't even know what you are "arguing" about. ::)
You're right dude, I never read anything and don't know shit.
Maybe I should go back to school and finally get that GED. ;)
Whenever I read you're replies I wonder how you got so much smarter then me?
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You're right dude, I never read anything and don't know shit.
We finally agree on something.
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We finally agree on something.
LOL, good one. :D
I swear to GOD, getbig forums is always good for a funny zinger to make me laugh.
Thanks again for the funny replies. You're hilarious ;D
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LOL, good one. :D
I swear to GOD, getbig forums is always good for a funny zinger to make me laugh.
Thanks again for the funny replies. You're hilarious ;D
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My conclusion that Mueller and his team are smart enough to get a valid search warrant has nothing to do with whether I think Manafort has been up to no good
The fact you wouldn't link the two things is quite interesting.
I'm not sure what you're referring to
just re-post or bump them and I'll respond
Considering how strongly I doubt they exist in the first place, it would be pretty silly for me to look.
But it's all right, Straw. You're OK in my book.
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The fact you wouldn't link the two things is quite interesting.
whether I believe Mannafort is guilty of a crime or not is irrelevant to my belief about Mueller capabilities.
I'm assuming Mueller is smart enough not to torpedo his own case by lying to a judge about the reason (probable cause) for a search warrant.
Considering how strongly I doubt they exist in the first place, it would be pretty silly for me to look.
But it's all right, Straw. You're OK in my book.
If you don't even know what posts you're referring to then how can you expect me to know?
Even if you just want to paraphrase (rather than finding them) that's fine
I just have no idea which posts (or the content) that you're talking about
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You're right dude, I never read anything and don't know shit.
Maybe I should go back to school and finally get that GED. ;)
Whenever I read you're replies I wonder how you got so much smarter then me?
The word is "than" if you're trying to make a comparison, Howard. :P :P
No, I know you catch a lot of hell on here. But you're alright, too.
I like your posts.
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whether I believe Mannafort is guilty of a crime or not is irrelevant to my belief about Mueller capabilities.
I'm assuming Mueller is smart enough not to torpedo his own case by lying to a judge about the reason (probable cause) for a search warrant.
To begin with, it wouldn't even necessarily indicate a lie was told. It may be that sufficient information wasn't given or sought.
So when you say this:
My conclusion that Mueller and his team are smart enough to get a valid search warrant has nothing to do with whether I think Manafort has been up to no good
So, since Mueller did in fact do that: Does it have any impact at all on your impression of Manafort's activities as to whether he's guilty of something?
If you don't even know what posts you're referring to then how can you expect me to know?
Even if you just want to paraphrase (rather than finding them) that's fine
I just have no idea which posts (or the content) that you're talking about
Lol, you know exactly what I mean and you're now playing dumb instead of dealing with it.
No, Straw. I meant it when I said you're OK. We agree on most political things, I'm sure. So I'm not the guy to pick on you, and I regret bringing it up.
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To begin with, it wouldn't even necessarily indicate a lie was told. It may be that sufficient information wasn't given or sought.
So when you say this:
So, since Mueller did in fact do that: Does it have any impact at all on your impression of Manafort's activities as to whether he's guilty of something?
Lol, you know exactly what I mean and you're now playing dumb instead of dealing with it.
No, Straw. I meant it when I said you're OK. We agree on most political things, I'm sure. So I'm not the guy to pick on you, and I regret bringing it up.
I'm not aware of Muellers lie in his request for a search warrant
I would definitely like to know more about that
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The word is "than" if you're trying to make a comparison, Howard. :P :P
No, I know you catch a lot of hell on here. But you're alright, too.
I like your posts.
THEN ...we go on with this thread . ;)
My typo and despite what Dos Equis thinks, I suck at typing.
I can tolerate it on a lap top, but I'm slow and find it tedious.
Texting is a no go for me due to my fat fingers.
I know this is the way we interact on a forum , but I prefer talking.
Oh well, it's fun and I aim to keep it that way.
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I don't know why that wolf shit /moon shadow is funny...but it is. ;D
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THEN ...we go on with this thread . ;)
My typo and despite what Dos Equis thinks, I suck at typing.
I can tolerate it on a lap top, but I'm slow and find it tedious.
Texting is a no go for me due to my fat fingers.
I know this is the way we interact on a forum , but I prefer talking.
Oh well, it's fun and I aim to keep it that way.
I'm just kidding around, Howard. And 'then' often treads into 'than' territory, anyway.
You should look at an "oversized" keyboard. It'll plug right into PC or laptop. They're great for big hands.
Another thing you'd probably like is talk-to-type. Beats typing, unless you're already set in the ways of typing and too used to it to change.
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To begin with, it wouldn't even necessarily indicate a lie was told. It may be that sufficient information wasn't given or sought.
So when you say this:
So, since Mueller did in fact do that: Does it have any impact at all on your impression of Manafort's activities as to whether he's guilty of something?
Lol, you know exactly what I mean and you're now playing dumb instead of dealing with it.
No, Straw. I meant it when I said you're OK. We agree on most political things, I'm sure. So I'm not the guy to pick on you, and I regret bringing it up.
no worries man
at least you can debate something without devolving into name calling and personal attacks
that's rare for this board
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I'm just kidding around, Howard. And 'then' often treads into 'than' territory, anyway.
You should look at an "oversized" keyboard. It'll plug right into PC or laptop. They're great for big hands.
Another thing you'd probably like is talk-to-type. Beats typing, unless you're already set in the ways of typing and too used to it to change.
I actually ordered a lap top with slightly bigger keys and that's what I use now.
It helps some but thanks for the idea.
Ok, as for the OP thread topic, I think the Russia thing is getting serious for team Trump.
Mueller has assembled an all star legal team , especially for global financial crimes and money laundering .
Years ago, Trump made a sweetheart deal on tax breaks to buy/refurbish the NYC Commodore hotel.
He promised profit sharing % to pay the city instead of the typical taxes.
Trump tried to short NYC on their agreed share and ended up selling his interest in the hotel.
Later, NYC successfully sued the new owners to collect.
During the campaign, a law suit was filed about his infamous Trump University.
He settled for a reported 25 million.
Trump was very offended that Mueller was investigating his personal financial dealings.
Based on what I know, he should be worried .
...to be continued. ;)
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Special counsel's Russia probe loses top FBI investigator
One of the FBI's top investigators, tapped by special counsel Robert Mueller just weeks ago to help lead the probe of Russian meddling in last year's presidential election, has left Mueller’s team, sources tell ABC News.
The recent departure of FBI veteran Peter Strzok is the first known hitch in a secretive probe that by all public accounts is charging full-steam ahead. Just last week, news surfaced that Mueller's team had executed a search warrant at the Virginia home of Donald Trump’s former campaign manager, Paul Manafort. And the week before that ABC News confirmed Mueller is now using a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C., to collect documents and other evidence.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/special-counsels-russia-probe-loses-top-fbi-investigator/story?id=49249486