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The comparison is not even close. :-X
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The competition was better then. Can't blame some guy for being the best of his era, if that era sucks.
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Who fucking cares?
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It’s even more sadder to see flex and Kevin making comebacks
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Flex and Shawn Ray should've won multiple times.
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Flex and Shawn Ray should've won multiple times.
agreed
is it wrong to spread the love around in this sport?
or is it you must clearly defeat the champ type of vibe?
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agreed
is it wrong to spread the love around in this sport?
or is it you must clearly defeat the champ type of vibe?
The latter. It's like being on the Supreme Court - you have it until you die, unless you really screw it up.
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Who fucking cares?
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Guy 1: "What's wrong dude, why so down?"
Disco187: "Just can't get over the fact Flex never won the O, but Heath may win more than anyone"
Guy 1: "Aw man, I feel for you"
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Guy 1: "What's wrong dude, why so down?"
Disco187: "Just can't get over the fact Flex never won the O, but Heath may win more than anyone"
Guy 1: "Who?, and whats "the O"?"
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Flex should have laid off the oil, dieted and actually showed up in shape (outside of 93 he never looked like he put it all together ever again).
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The comparison is not even close. :-X
Imo, the only year that Flex could have won the Mr. Olympia was in 1993. Had Dorian showed up as he had in 1992, I think Flex could have edged him out, but Dorian was just too massive (256-257 pounds).
What's sad is that Shawn Ray never won it. He was VERY deserving of at least 2 wins if not more had Dorian not been around.
Other uncrowned Mr. Olympias imo:
Tom Platz/Danny Padilla (1981)
Lou Ferrigno (he could have won it in the late 70's when Arnold retired and 1982/1983 with his Hercules size and condition).
Kevin Levrone (unfortunately for him he competed against guys who just managed to edge him out).
Nasser El Sonbaty (1997)
Robby Robinson (late 70's)
Mike Mentzer (late 70's)
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It’s even more sadder to see flex and Kevin making comebacks
My thoughts on Comebacks:
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My thoughts on Comebacks:
I’ve always said you were the smart one, even if people ridiculed you for living the life after bbing, you put it all out there, called it quits and enjoying your life afterwards
Kevin, not so much and after flex’s health issues, don’t understand why he bothers
Do they both look good at 50+? Sure, but from a competitive standpoint? No
Good to see Cormier doing the training part and jay promoting bbing, not having to compete
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Imo, the only year that Flex could have won the Mr. Olympia was in 1993. Had Dorian showed up as he had in 1992, I think Flex could have edged him out, but Dorian was just too massive (256-257 pounds).
What's sad is that Shawn Ray never won it. He was VERY deserving of at least 2 wins if not more had Dorian not been around.
Other uncrowned Mr. Olympias imo:
Tom Platz/Danny Padilla (1981)
Lou Ferrigno (he could have won it in the late 70's when Arnold retired and 1982/1983 with his Hercules size and condition).
Kevin Levrone (unfortunately for him he competed against guys who just managed to edge him out).
Nasser El Sonbaty (1997)
Robby Robinson (late 70's)
Mike Mentzer (late 70's)
Since it is a subjective sport. Is what the powers that be that decide who is winning.
Many not very deserving wins and Mr. O eras trough bb history . It is what it is.
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Imo, the only year that Flex could have won the Mr. Olympia was in 1993. Had Dorian showed up as he had in 1992, I think Flex could have edged him out, but Dorian was just too massive (256-257 pounds).
What's sad is that Shawn Ray never won it. He was VERY deserving of at least 2 wins if not more had Dorian not been around.
Other uncrowned Mr. Olympias imo:
Tom Platz/Danny Padilla (1981)
Lou Ferrigno (he could have won it in the late 70's when Arnold retired and 1982/1983 with his Hercules size and condition).
Kevin Levrone (unfortunately for him he competed against guys who just managed to edge him out).
Nasser El Sonbaty (1997)
Robby Robinson (late 70's)
Mike Mentzer (late 70's)
Victor 07.
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I’ll never feel sorry for a delusional, oil-bag drug addict
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flex was an egomaniac with a synthol addiction.
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The comparison is not even close. :-X
Agree, Flex at his best beats Heath rather easily. Flex competed against the best. Heath's only real competition was Kai, Dexter and Jay.
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how this guy never won, ill never know
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Flex should have laid off the oil, dieted and actually showed up in shape (outside of 93 he never looked like he put it all together ever again).
Props! He was sooo oily in his later years it was not even funny. It started to show 99 and looked crap in 00. And he was never really cut enough.
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Is it sad that Flex Wheeler never won Mr Olympia, and Phil heath is 7x winner?
Yes, I cry myself to sleep every night thinking about this tragedy. I've become withdrawn from friends and family.
Doctors have me on a heavy cocktail of antidepressants and sedatives in order to cope with the trauma.
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I’ve always said you were the smart one, even if people ridiculed you for living the life after bbing, you put it all out there, called it quits and enjoying your life afterwards
Kevin, not so much and after flex’s health issues, don’t understand why he bothers
Do they both look good at 50+? Sure, but from a competitive standpoint? No
Good to see Cormier doing the training part and jay promoting bbing, not having to compete
I think people also have to be fulfilled in other aspects of their lives as well. Lee Haney's wife didn't want him to continue on, IIRC. His family is what had grounded him.
Flex mainly lost due to himself, he self sabotaged himself many times. Then the synthol. And then when he didn't come in shape, and Ronnie did, that shut the door on everything. Kevin needed a better back, and needed to decide whether he wanted to be a bodybuilder, singer, or actor. He was only good at the first two. And because both never won, they have a bitter pill in their mouths, they still haven't swallowed. And they still miss the lime light. The void needs to be filled somehow, so probably figure going back to the same ol, same ol.
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It is the best who is on stage that day. End of story.
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I think people also have to be fulfilled in other aspects of their lives as well. Lee Haney's wife didn't want him to continue on, IIRC. His family is what had grounded him.
Flex mainly lost due to himself, he self sabotaged himself many times. Then the synthol. And then when he didn't come in shape, and Ronnie did, that shut the door on everything. Kevin needed a better back, and needed to decide whether he wanted to be a bodybuilder, singer, or actor. He was only good at the first two. And because both never won, they have a bitter pill in their mouths, they still haven't swallowed. And they still miss the lime light. The void needs to be filled somehow, so probably figure going back to the same ol, same ol.
Exactly! Even mental case Tom Prince stepped away for good after kidney issues
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Agree, Flex at his best beats Heath rather easily. Flex competed against the best. Heath's only real competition was Kai, Dexter and Jay.
At the end of the day Phil, like him or not, 7X O winner and a few more I say and flex....
At his best it’s only 93, that’s it
He can’t beat Phil, esp a 2011 or 12 (one of those he came in his best)
Phil is a complete bber with calves, arms, back, etc... flex isn’t
You guys are delusional to think flex and Kevin can beat Phil easily
Even earl, Kevin’s biggest fan, will tell you at his best he’ll have a hard time with Phil
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Exactly! Even mental case Tom Prince stepped away for good after kidney issues
prince was never close to elite, no point in coming back when your best is outside the top 15 at your only olympia
if i'm judging the show flex and Mr. Levrone beat phil easily, i'm not giving the show to the guy that has the better back and worse everything else
but based on how the shows are judged by the actual judges phil probably beats them, it didn't stop dorian with one arm or ronnie with the gut
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prince was never close to elite, no point in coming back when your best is outside the top 15 at your only olympia
if i'm judging the show flex and Mr. Levrone beat phil easily, i'm not giving the show to the guy that has the better back and worse everything else
but based on how the shows are judged by the actual judges phil probably beats them, it didn't stop dorian with one arm or ronnie with the gut
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I’m not a Phil fan but he’s a pretty complete bber and judging from a bbing standpoint he is hard to beat
He has the pop to go with his physique, very conditioned and size
Esp his 2011 and 2012 form
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I’m not a Phil fan but he’s a pretty complete bber and judging from a bbing standpoint he is hard to beat
He has the pop to go with his physique, very conditioned and size
Esp his 2011 and 2012 form
he has no weak body parts so yeah in that way he is complete, but he doesn't have the shape of flex and Mr. Levrone, they look so much better aesthetically
he has a soft balloon look to his muscle, while they looked more carved out of stone
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he has no weak body parts so yeah in that way he is complete, but he doesn't have the shape of flex and Mr. Levrone, they look so much better aesthetically
he has a soft balloon look to his muscle, while they looked more carved out of stone
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Levrone was capable of running against Dwayne Chambers while being huge.
Also 5 bills bench and that 100 rep abs on lat machine with 300 lbs.
I respect that. That is a athlete in my eyes.
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flex was an egomaniac with a synthol addiction.
At least Flex had the best, most aestetic physique on the face of the earth at one point.
The Gifter for example is far off that. The ego is the size of the universe tho.
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Phil 2011 Arnold classic was his best ever, it beats flexs best...
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Phil 2011 Arnold classic was his best ever, it beats flexs best...
Although his waist was small. His abdominal structure is not closely aestetic as Flex.
Abdominal wall is the centerpiece of a physique.
Also Flex had decent hardness unlike Phil who has none.
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Although his waist was small. His abdominal structure is not closely aestetic as Flex.
Abdominal wall is the centerpiece of a physique.
Also Flex had decent hardness unlike Phil who has none.
But flex has obvious oil everywhere, shoulders, arms, calves, he can’t play the size game on his small frame, the guy has TINY wrists and joints
Like I have said and many others, 1993 was the best all time for him
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Although his waist was small. His abdominal structure is not closely aestetic as Flex.
Abdominal wall is the centerpiece of a physique.
Also Flex had decent hardness unlike Phil who has none.
Flex had watery hams after 93, he never achieved real hardness again in that area.
His quads were not all that pleasing either.
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At the end of the day Phil, like him or not, 7X O winner and a few more I say and flex....
At his best it’s only 93, that’s it
He can’t beat Phil, esp a 2011 or 12 (one of those he came in his best)
Phil is a complete bber with calves, arms, back, etc... flex isn’t
You guys are delusional to think flex and Kevin can beat Phil easily
Even earl, Kevin’s biggest fan, will tell you at his best he’ll have a hard time with Phil
98 Arnold Flex's best , beats Phil's flawed structure. Flex never had a blown out gut.
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Dorian had density and a hardness to his muscles. Same with Coleman. These new guys have this soft bloat look to their muscles. Don't know what's going on. Different drugs and to much pumping on machines?
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Phil Heath would beat a prime Flex Wheeler
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Phil Heath would beat a prime Flex Wheeler
::) please tell me that you are not being serious. I dont like either but flex was a way better bodybuilder
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::) please tell me that you are not being serious. I dont like either but flex was a way better bodybuilder
I think that Heath would beat Flex on the rear double biceps... and Phil would have more definition through the legs. Flex had smooth hamstrings. Ronnie exploited that weakness in 1998. Phil’s arms would match Flex’s.... so I think Heath would win.
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I think that Heath would beat Flex on the rear double biceps... and Phil would have more definition through the legs. Flex had smooth hamstrings. Ronnie exploited that weakness in 1998. Phil’s arms would match Flex’s.... so I think Heath would win.
If Flex came in 1997 Arnold shape---224 pounds and sharper, it would hard for Heath.
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Phil Heath would beat a prime Flex Wheeler
Yes he would
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If Flex came in 1997 Arnold shape---224 pounds and sharper, it would hard for Heath.
But he isn’t, anytime soon ;D
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But he isn’t, anytime soon ;D
Nope. I think Kai should scare Phil Heath a little and say that he is thinking about competing in the Olympia.
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Phil never had such details on his back
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Phil's only competition from the 90s and they'd have to come in at their best would be Levrone, Wheeler, Yates and Nasser. He would beat everyone else including Shawn Ray, Cormier, Dillet, etc.
I think Phil is behind Yates and Wheeler but better than a prime Levrone and Nasser.
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Phil's only competition from the 90s and they'd have to come in at their best would be Levrone, Wheeler, Yates and Nasser. He would beat everyone else including Shawn Ray, Cormier, Dillet, etc.
I think Phil is behind Yates and Wheeler but better than a prime Levrone and Nasser.
1997. grand prix nasser would destroy phil
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Phil never had such details on his back
As much as I hate Heath , his back is pretty fucking good
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As much as I hate Heath , his back is pretty fucking good
This is where he beats his opposition.
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Heath destroys Levrone.
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Thanks for posting the Flex pics. It illustrates perfectly what i thought off when i said he was an oil bag!
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As much as I hate Heath , his back is pretty fucking good
The back of Phil is great. The bouble gutt is horrendous tho.
It would be easy to overlook the centerpiece of a physique to some of the posters here.
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Thanks for posting the Flex pics. It illustrates perfectly what i thought off when i said he was an oil bag!
Not untill the 98' or 99'.
So basicly he started the enhancement the last couple of years of his career. Trying to keep up with Ronnie's size.
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Heath destroys Levrone.
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Flex was a better bodybuilder than Philsulin, but the fact that is also a bigger douche bag full of shit arrogant Don't make it sad by any means.
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Heath and Levrone have a similar structure. One could say that Heath is more similar in structure to Levrone than Flex. Heath is basically Levrone with a better back and better, more consistent conditioning.
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Heath and Levrone have a similar structure. One could say that Heath is more similar in structure to Levrone than Flex. Heath is basically Levrone with a better back and better, more consistent conditioning.
heath gets LevrOWNED in that video, and it's easier to be consistent with your conditioning when you only do the olympia
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Heath and Levrone have a similar structure. One could say that Heath is more similar in structure to Levrone than Flex. Heath is basically Levrone with a better back and better, more consistent conditioning.
Kevin never had a gut unlike Heath.
Being a narrower and smaller bb makes it worse.
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Kevin never had a gut unlike Heath.
Being a narrower and smaller bb makes it worse.
And yes, Kev did have a gut, but it wasn't like Phil's is now. And Phil didn't always have a gut, that took about six years to develop. As far as Kevin's guy, you can see it when Shawn Ray and Kevin were back stage at the 98 Mr. O. It's on Shawn Ray's Final Countdown vid. Shawn and Kevin shake hands. Phil and Kevin had very similar structure and muscle shape. Which is why both look very similar in the hands clasp MM. Both had excellent tricep development, trap development, and shoulder development. Even their chest shape is similar.
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Phil Heath would probably beat every bodybuilder from the past... except for Dorian & Ronnie.
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Phil Heath would probably beat every bodybuilder from the past... except for Dorian & Ronnie.
I highly doubt he would get past Kevin or Flex
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Phil Heath would probably beat every bodybuilder from the past... except for Dorian & Ronnie.
Only true statement in here
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Phil Heath would beat a prime Flex Wheeler
As much as I hate to say it, that's true^^^^^^^^^^^^^. Phil's back and overall conditioning is the deciding factor in my opinion.
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As much as I hate Heath , his back is pretty fucking good
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=644691.0;attach=759485;image)
And the pic you posted is from the 2010 Mr. Olympia where I think Phil should have won.
Screenshot I took from the DVD.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=644691.0;attach=759485;image)
And the pic you posted is from the 2010 Mr. Olympia where I think Phil should have won.
Screenshot I took from the DVD.
People won’t give him any credit cause of the whole “90’s” nostalgia ::)
Overall i still agree the competition and physiques were better back then
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This is where he beats his opposition.
yep
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Flex, 1993 Ironman Pro.
Phil ? :-\
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yep
doesn't look impressive there
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doesn't look impressive there
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In that rear double bicep pic, compare Heath’s delts to Kai’s Delts. Kai is getting destroyed
Now compare their traps. Kai is no match for Heath.
Look at their forearms. Heath has a look of power that Kai lacks.
I’m not hating on Kai. Just stating facts.
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In that rear double bicep pic, compare Heath’s delts to Kai’s Delts. Kai is getting destroyed
Now compare their traps. Kai is no match for Heath.
Look at their forearms. Heath has a look of power that Kai lacks.
I’m not hating on Kai. Just stating facts.
Your overstating it , Kai is NOT getting destroyed he's more than holding his own in this shot, I would say Phil is edging him out , but not outclassing him at all
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Your overstating it , Kai is NOT getting destroyed he's more than holding his own in this shot, I would say Phil is edging him out , but not outclassing him at all
In my personal opinion, through the trap/delt region on the rear double, Heath has a tremendous edge against Kai
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In that rear double bicep pic, compare Heath’s delts to Kai’s Delts. Kai is getting destroyed
Now compare their traps. Kai is no match for Heath.
Look at their forearms. Heath has a look of power that Kai lacks.
I’m not hating on Kai. Just stating facts.
i was actually comparing it to phil's previous back pic, it's like he's a different bodybuilder he looks so much worse
as for kai, his arms and legs are bigger than phil's
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1998 Levrone Gut Check at 2:00
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1998 Levrone Gut Check at 2:00
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That’s not too bad. I’ve seen a LOT worse
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1998 Levrone Gut Check at 2:00
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it was at it's worse in 99, these guys just keep trying to get bigger and then they look worse
he came in shredded in 2000 with a smaller gut, but the damage was done
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That’s not too bad. I’ve seen a LOT worse
Flex let his loose on vid, ND has the screen caps.
Does anybody really know the cause? GH or Insulin or the combo of both plus eating large amounts of food?
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Flex, 1993 Ironman Pro.
Phil ? :-\
Phil is a 7X O winner
And flex is in mid life crisis with a donated kidney
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Flex let his loose on vid, ND has the screen caps.
Does anybody really know the cause? GH or Insulin or the combo of both plus eating large amounts of food?
You answered your own question