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I have searched this site and while there are lots of discussion of diuretics, it is all piecemeal. There do not seem to be any systematic formulas. By formula I mean something that integrates all three categories of diuretics and introduces them gradually into your body.
I was given a systematic formula that worked great for me. I came in shredded and won the show. However, this was 24 years ago.
I am much, much older now and am getting back on stage in a month. I am competing in the masters division (over 50) What worked for me 24 years ago may not work now.
Please be so kind as to critique my strategy.
First, some background before getting to diuretics. You must be in shape (4% bfat) 10 days out. If you are not, nothing can fix that.
Next, what is your diet strategy for the last 10 days? I depleted and loaded 6 times and it worked once for me. What works for me is to drop my carbs to 200 10 days out, and slowly raise them back up.
9 days out I introduced an Aldosterone blocker (Spiro) at 25 mgs and titrated up to 100 over 4 days. I then introduced a thiazide at 25 mgs and titrated that up to 100. Thursday and Friday I took 100 mgs of each. Friday night I took a half tab of Lasix, and another half the morning of prejudging. I also ran 50 mgs each of Spiro/Thiazide.
I came in with shredded glutes and beat bigger guys on my conditioning.
However, as I said, I am much older know. I don't think running that much for that long is a good idea. Here is what I had in mind instead: Start w/ 50 mgs of spiro, then 75 the next day. Introduce a thiazide at 25 mgs, then 50 then 75.
I could time this so that I am at 75/75 on Friday, or I could go 75/75 on Thursday/Friday.
I don't cut water until Friday night and I reduce salt for 2 days, but not completely. I usually have some salt before prejudging.
Please let me know what you think. If you think I am an idiot, OK, but you will have to get in a long line (my wife is at the front).
Thank you very much.
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Listen to your wife.
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Listen to your wife.
Does anyone have an answer that is NOT completely retarded?
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Does anyone have an answer that is NOT completely retarded?
"If you think I am an idiot, OK, but you will have to get in a long line (my wife is at the front)."
Your wife is the smart one in the marriage isn't she? Yep.
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What's are you taking cycle wise?
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First 8 weeks 700 test e, 500 mast, 450 NPP, 500 primo e. Occasional anavar, 4-5 ius GH (pharm)
Last 4 weeks I added 500 mg tren ace. 6 iu's GH.
Next 4 weeks 700 test ace, 700 mast prop, 700 tren ace, 50 winstrol and 50 var per day. 50 Proviron 100 primo ace oral.
1 Adex every other day, will increase, 20 mgs Nolvadex/day. No slin.
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That stack sounds perfect
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Thanks.....numbers are creeping up a bit, but at my age I have to be mindful.
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To each his own. That is way too much gear for a man of your age. Not too mention the dangers of diuretics. With that out of the way, best of luck in competition and in health.
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You are correct, sir....that is why I call this sport the sickness.
Going to get some labs soon.
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I would do 40mg of furosemide + 100mg of potassium upon waking on friday (contest on saturday) and repeat with the last sip of water (considering water cut friday evening). Half dose (20mg+50mg) upon waking on show day. Don't like to use diuretics for longer then 2-3 days, this shit is dangerous.
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I would do 40mg of furosemide + 100mg of potassium upon waking on friday (contest on saturday) and repeat with the last sip of water (considering water cut friday evening). Half dose (20mg+50mg) upon waking on show day. Don't like to use diuretics for longer then 2-3 days, this shit is dangerous.
Are you saying to only use Lasix, or to use it as part of the spiro/thiazide stack? I have had terrible results using Lasix alone. With the Spiro/thiazide base 20 at night and 20 before pre judging worked well. I did not use any potassium due to the spiro base.
I am also going to use anavar to maintain fullness.
Thanks!
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Without pics to back up these protocols
On contest day it’s fairly meaningless
It’s easy to post all sorts of doses & regimes
Contest day condition is where it counts.
Be There / Be Back posted his.
And without knowing or seeing what condition you’re in before using diuretics
How can we know if it was
1, successful
2, worthwhile taking them
Sure diuretics work & can work very well - Though Too many other factors involved
to just dish out Random usage advice.
It’s meaningless.
Good luck to all that use them - only get someone who’s honest about your condition
& Hopefully knows what he’s telling you & why to do it.
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First of all, you might not even need a diuretic. Assuming you dieted correctly, and rid yourself of all subq fat, which a lot of guys don't do, and attempt to make up for sloppy dieting by abusing diuretics. Keep it simple, the body does not like dramatic changes, especially the last week before the show. What has worked very well is cutting water out Friday night, only sipping when thirsty, then take a 1/2 tab of dyazide that night before bed. In the morning, based on your look, you may or may not need the other 1/2 tab. Very simple, and very effective. Diuretic for an entire week, or even a few days, simply are not needed, and are very dangerous.
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Good points, guys. I am in pretty good shape right now, approaching 5% abs, legs, glutes either shredded or coming in. I am 3 weeks and 2 days out.
I try to be pretty much ready 10 days out, drop carbs to 200 or so and just gradually raise them. I don't do anything crazy with water or sodium...reduce sodium a bit Thursday cut back water a bit Friday after 5.
That has gotten me about 90% there, moderate/slowly titrated spiro and thiazide worked well for me. The last time I ran it it was a program given to me by an IFBB pro and was more aggressive. Titrated up over 8 days and ended up at 100 mgs of each compound on Thursday and Friday. I did not really cut anything out, kept full water and 700 grams of carbs on those day, which is what kept me from being flat. I was the best conditioned guy on stage that day, I lost the Overall to the heavyweight. He was 260 lbs and trained at the gym sponsoring the show. I beat a guy who placed 7th at Nationals, but he was a bit off.
I do not have enough size to ever turn pro (213 lbs) but I do have way better conditioning. Of course I consider conditioning in the IFBB to be terrible.
This time, based upon advice like yours I am being more conservative. 50 spiro on Tuesday, 75 on wed-fri. 25 Thiazide on wed, 50 Thursday and 75 Friday.
If I am interpreting what you are saying correctly, the better my condition, the less I need, yes?
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Good points, guys. I am in pretty good shape right now, approaching 5% abs, legs, glutes either shredded or coming in. I am 3 weeks and 2 days out.
I try to be pretty much ready 10 days out, drop carbs to 200 or so and just gradually raise them. I don't do anything crazy with water or sodium...reduce sodium a bit Thursday cut back water a bit Friday after 5.
That has gotten me about 90% there, moderate/slowly titrated spiro and thiazide worked well for me. The last time I ran it it was a program given to me by an IFBB pro and was more aggressive. Titrated up over 8 days and ended up at 100 mgs of each compound on Thursday and Friday. I did not really cut anything out, kept full water and 700 grams of carbs on those day, which is what kept me from being flat. I was the best conditioned guy on stage that day, I lost the Overall to the heavyweight. He was 260 lbs and trained at the gym sponsoring the show. I beat a guy who placed 7th at Nationals, but he was a bit off.
I do not have enough size to ever turn pro (213 lbs) but I do have way better conditioning. Of course I consider conditioning in the IFBB to be terrible.
This time, based upon advice like yours I am being more conservative. 50 spiro on Tuesday, 75 on wed-fri. 25 Thiazide on wed, 50 Thursday and 75 Friday.
If I am interpreting what you are saying correctly, the better my condition, the less I need, yes?
Sounds like you’re getting in & have previously achieved a good level of dry tight condition.
Personally without seeing you & knowing a bit more.
There are just to many variables to just give out random info / advice especially not when you
Say you’ve alrrady achieved good conditioning.
I think it’s best you stick with what you know & has worked previously for you.
Why would you take advice / try stuff off random unidentified people on the internet
It’s not worth the risk.
Good luck.
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Sure, that makes sense. There are a lot of very experienced posters here....well, there used to be, so I wanted to pick their brains. The consensus here is to use a more conservative program than what I used before. Of course some programs, for example the one BFG cited about the top 10 Olympic placer used way way mre Lasix then I would ever use.
I have a photo shoot scheduled when I am 10 days out. The plan is to be in very good shape and use a very conservative spiro/thiazide stack.
I will try and post up some pics when I am 10 days out.
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Sure, that makes sense. There are a lot of very experienced posters here....well, there used to be, so I wanted to pick their brains. The consensus here is to use a more conservative program than what I used before. Of course some programs, for example the one BFG cited about the top 10 Olympic placer used way way mre Lasix then I would ever use.
I have a photo shoot scheduled when I am 10 days out. The plan is to be in very good shape and use a very conservative spiro/thiazide stack.
I will try and post up some pics when I am 10 days out.
Ok.
We’ll wait for the pics.
Like I said I’m not about to make any sort of recommendations
Without knowing or having worked with someone previously
That close to a competition & involving the last few days contest prep
Far to risky in so far as getting it right or wrong.
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Ok.
We’ll wait for the pics.
Like I said I’m not about to make any sort of recommendations
Without knowing or having worked with someone previously
That close to a competition & involving the last few days contest prep
Far to risky in so far as getting it right or wrong.
Sure, that makes sense.
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Are you saying to only use Lasix, or to use it as part of the spiro/thiazide stack? I have had terrible results using Lasix alone. With the Spiro/thiazide base 20 at night and 20 before pre judging worked well. I did not use any potassium due to the spiro base.
I am also going to use anavar to maintain fullness.
Thanks!
I suggest to use lasix instead of sprio/thiazide. In Brazil furosemide comes with potassium associated to it. Loop diuretics are stronger but we need to use less as well. Potassium sparing diuretics are more safe yet less effective. Just my 0.02.
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When I ran lasix alone it ruined me...it only works if I have a base of spiro in. What I do is crush a lasix tablet up (Friday evening) wet my finger, dab a little of the crushed powder and consume and monitor how I look. Repeat and monitor. What I will take away from you is that I may use a bit more Lasix....like I said, Lasix scares me. Not the dying part, the looking flat part, LOL.
Right now (2 weeks 5 days out) I am trying to get the last bit of fat off me. Glutes are cut...upper body is shredded but quads and lower back need to be a bit sharper. Cardio will stay high and carbs will come down a bit more, but not below 200. As far as diuretics are concerned, yes you go by how you look but you also need to make a decision as when to start. If I am really sharp 9 days out (just a little flat) I will delay their use.
As discussed, the program that worked great for me 24 years ago was aggressive. Even though I looked good it started with spiro 9 days out (titrated from 25 to 100 mgs) with a thiazide starting on Monday titrated from 25 to 100 by Thursday. You baked 100/100 Thursday and Friday.
I did not deplete/load/cut water or much salt. carbs were pretty high wed/thursd/Friday, 500 to 700. Based on my own theory, diuretics work best if you don't really cut anything. The IFBB pro who gave me the program said you can eat cookies and milk running this and still look good. He said that the Europeans, especially the Germans, started their diuretics farther out, weeks.
However, I think I am going to stay more conservative.
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When I ran lasix alone it ruined me...it only works if I have a base of spiro in. What I do is crush a lasix tablet up (Friday evening) wet my finger, dab a little of the crushed powder and consume and monitor how I look. Repeat and monitor. What I will take away from you is that I may use a bit more Lasix....like I said, Lasix scares me. Not the dying part, the looking flat part, LOL.
Right now (2 weeks 5 days out) I am trying to get the last bit of fat off me. Glutes are cut...upper body is shredded but quads and lower back need to be a bit sharper. Cardio will stay high and carbs will come down a bit more, but not below 200. As far as diuretics are concerned, yes you go by how you look but you also need to make a decision as when to start. If I am really sharp 9 days out (just a little flat) I will delay their use.
As discussed, the program that worked great for time 24 years ago was aggressive. Even though I looked good it started with spiro 9 days out (titrated from 25 to 100 mgs) with a thiazide starting on Monday titrated from 25 to 100 by Thursday. You baked 100/100 Thursday and Friday.
I did not deplete/load/cut water or much salt. carbs were pretty high wed/thursd/Friday, 500 to 700. Based on my own theory, diuretics work best if you don't really cut anything. The IFBB pro who gave me the program said you can eat cookies and milk running this and still look good. He said that the Europeans, especially the Germans, started their diuretics farther out, weeks.
However, I think I am going to stay more conservative.
“I did not deplete/load/cut water or much salt. carbs were pretty high wed/thursd/Friday, 500 to 700. Based on my own theory, diuretics work best if you don't really cut anything. The IFBB pro who gave me the program said you can eat cookies and milk running this and still look good. He said that the Europeans, especially the Germans, started their diuretics farther out, weeks.”
Great results can be achieved through deplete/load/salt load/ water dropping.
Very popular during 80s/90s in uk.
What is the rational behind the extended usage of the diuretics
As in days or weeks before ??
I’d like to know the theory behind it.
Salt / potassium balance or altering of to help achieve the tight skin shrink wrapped look
Of course very low body fat 1st is the prerequisite.
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Depleting and loading is a crapshoot. It worked once for me, it did not work 5 times.
The rational behind the diuretic program is to introduce the weakest diuretic (spiro/ald. blocker) slowly titrate, then a thiazide, slowly titrate and monitor.
No drastic changes just gradual titrating and monitoring. This worked well for me.
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Depleting and loading is a crapshoot. It worked once for me, it did not work 5 times.
The rational behind the diuretic program is to introduce the weakest diuretic (spiro/ald. blocker) slowly titrate, then a thiazide, slowly titrate and monitor.
No drastic changes just gradual titrating and monitoring. This worked well for me.
Depleting & loading along with sodium loading works very well
Though it’s best results are achieved when being monitored by a
Honest knowledgeable 3rd party.
I still don’t get the extreme extended diuretics in the sense
That the amount / film of water your trying to remove is or should be negligible
Providing your body fat is very low & your diet / mineral balance is correct.
Using x amount of diuretics 1wk or 2wks out etc when bodyfat and mineral levels are different
To contest day not much to be gained.
Your after the look on contest day not a 1wk 2wks+ out.
Anyway as I’ve stated previously good luck
And do what you believe works best for you.
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When I ran lasix alone it ruined me...it only works if I have a base of spiro in. What I do is crush a lasix tablet up (Friday evening) wet my finger, dab a little of the crushed powder and consume and monitor how I look. Repeat and monitor. What I will take away from you is that I may use a bit more Lasix....like I said, Lasix scares me. Not the dying part, the looking flat part, LOL.
Right now (2 weeks 5 days out) I am trying to get the last bit of fat off me. Glutes are cut...upper body is shredded but quads and lower back need to be a bit sharper. Cardio will stay high and carbs will come down a bit more, but not below 200. As far as diuretics are concerned, yes you go by how you look but you also need to make a decision as when to start. If I am really sharp 9 days out (just a little flat) I will delay their use.
As discussed, the program that worked great for me 24 years ago was aggressive. Even though I looked good it started with spiro 9 days out (titrated from 25 to 100 mgs) with a thiazide starting on Monday titrated from 25 to 100 by Thursday. You baked 100/100 Thursday and Friday.
I did not deplete/load/cut water or much salt. carbs were pretty high wed/thursd/Friday, 500 to 700. Based on my own theory, diuretics work best if you don't really cut anything. The IFBB pro who gave me the program said you can eat cookies and milk running this and still look good. He said that the Europeans, especially the Germans, started their diuretics farther out, weeks.
However, I think I am going to stay more conservative.
I seems that you have everything in place. The last couple weeks are more a mind game than anything else. Keep in mind that the rebound should be fierce when diuretics are used for more than 2 days or so. I wouldn't go cold turkey on diuretics after the show otherwise the rebound could be the problem and not the peaking itself.
Good luck and keep us posted as you peak to your show.
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I seems that you have everything in place. The last couple weeks are more a mind game than anything else. Keep in mind that the rebound should be fierce when diuretics are used for more than 2 days or so. I wouldn't go cold turkey on diuretics after the show otherwise the rebound could be the problem and not the peaking itself.
Good luck and keep us posted as you peak to your show.
Thanks. Yes, I stay on low dosed Aldactone for a few days and maybe throw in a Thiazide or two. I am running 50 mcg of T3 and will stay on 25 while I stuff my face. I also get back in the gym for some training at 90% intensity.
I like to carry around pastries and eat them in front of everyone when I look almost good enough to be on the cover of a magazine, LOL.
Also, I am doing a trial run of diuretics, 25 mgs spiro yesterday, 50 today with 25 thiazide, 75 and 50 tomorrow then 75 75.
I was going to go to nationals to make a run at a pro card, but honestly there are at least 3-4 guys who should beat me. At my age I really should not be running this amount of gear.
Thanks for all the help, guys.
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UPDATE: I am doing a trial run.
I did this a few weeks back but I did not record results. I am in shape...not below 5% (where I hope to be in 2 weeks....show is in 2 weeks 4 days) but close. I would say my conditioning is better than average right now. Did a full leg workout last night (I hammer legs fully until 2 weeks out then stop training them) and 55 minutes of cardio. Ate about 250 grams of carbs yesterday, plenty of sodium. I drank lots of water.
OK, so I took 25 mgs of spiro last night, 25 this morning and another 25 a little while ago. I took 25 mg thiazide about 4 hours ago.
I just went in and took a look at myself: I definitely look better. Veins are everywhere in my stomach, legs are more cut (even though they were blasted yesterday).
This confirms something I pretty much knew, even if you are in shape a small/conservative amount of diuretics will make you look better. You may not need them as some claim, but you will look better. The key is the right combination and staying conservative.
So, I am taking nothing else today. Training later, keeping carbs around 250 which is low for me. Tomorrow I will bump spiro up to 75 mgs and thiazide up to 50, split morning and afternoon or so. Then it will be 75 75 and a tiny bit of Lasix. That is probably as far as I will go.
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I guess everyone has their definition of conservative. I would hate to see your aggressive approach lol. Hey if you're in shape and thats what you have to do, then thats awesome. Props to you for doing it.
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I look great right now. I ate a bit extra today. However, I have taken a grand total of 25 mgs of thiazide. Tomorrow I take 50. The question is, will I look better now or after 50?
I may look better on less, we will see.
One thing about diuretics, you can just eat, drink, consume sodium normally. That is what I was told 25 years ago. When guys cut everything and try and pull a bunch of stupid tricks, that is when things go wrong.
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Update: Started at 25 sprio, then 50 next day and 25 thiazide. Day 3 was 75 spiro and 50 thiazide. Looked better and better. next day was 75 spiro 75 thiazide.
Looked better in the morning but started to flatten out a bit later in the day.
Carbs were very low until 2 PM and looked better after some carbs. Keep in mind daily total was less than 300 and I eat at least twice that on the 2 days before my show.
Today did 75 and 75 again, early carbs were low and I looked flat. Long back workout and hour of cardio....flat. I had 150 grams of carbs between then and now and filled out a bit.
However, I think one day at 75 75 is plenty, another day and I start flattening....look very dry but vascularity suffers. Took some Cialis....Viagra would probably be better, but I am going to stay more conservative.
Also, I will be having some junk food the night before prejudging, maybe a couple of donuts/chocolate/simple sugars which should make me more full but I am not going too crazy. 10 days out from show I lower carbs to around 200. Keep them stable and then gradually raise up starting 5 days before show. Crazy depleting loading water/salt....all too extreme. I salt normally and reduce salt Wednesday. I drink lots of water, don't cut until 6 PM 14 hours before pre judging.
I suppose plasma expanders would enable me to run more diuretics and not look flat, but I have no experience with them. I am in excellent shape.
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My back and legs are my best bodyparts, but these pics give an idea of my condition. They were taken after only one or two thiazides.
(https://scontent.fhou1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37311722_10155637613913807_4773097769948676096_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=8bcaa9cc3fe3a1459b70b8e21cdd273b&oe=5BDAD2F7)
(https://scontent.fhou1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37368538_10155637932543807_7106040287633342464_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=9c2d73000faa56905864c427b94ba55e&oe=5BD223D1)
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My back and legs are my best bodyparts, but these pics give an idea of my condition. They were taken after only one or two thiazides.
(https://scontent.fhou1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37311722_10155637613913807_4773097769948676096_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=8bcaa9cc3fe3a1459b70b8e21cdd273b&oe=5BDAD2F7)
(https://scontent.fhou1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37368538_10155637932543807_7106040287633342464_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=9c2d73000faa56905864c427b94ba55e&oe=5BD223D1)
Looking at those 2 pics your body fat is fairly low.
Though they aren’t the best shots to judge someone’s condition.
Again just from the pics I’d say you’ve got more body fat to lose
Before worrying about the use of diuretics.
I’d be more concerned about the abdominal distension & waist width
Plus lack of calves.
Post up better pics as I don’t think those 2 are doing you any favours.
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These pics are terrible.....I can't take a selfie if my life depended on it. My stomach looks distended, but it is not, and I actually do have very good calves. The pics make my center look larger and every thing else look smaller. I took them to assess my body fat levels.
It was several days ago, I think I was 2 weeks and 5 days out. However, it does give an idea of my body fat level. I am maintaining cardio. Should I drop my carbs lower in order to get leaner?
Since I don't deplete and load, I could drop my carbs over the next 10 days and still have 4-5 days to eat more. I am getting some better pics next week.
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u r holding a good amount of muscle and have great hair. i'd drop the diuretics and cut ur dosages, tho... cuz sometime the less u take, the better u look... not to mention that old age is no time to tard out health wise
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These pics are terrible.....I can't take a selfie if my life depended on it. My stomach looks distended, but it is not, and I actually do have very good calves. The pics make my center look larger and every thing else look smaller. I took them to assess my body fat levels.
It was several days ago, I think I was 2 weeks and 5 days out. However, it does give an idea of my body fat level. I am maintaining cardio. Should I drop my carbs lower in order to get leaner?
Since I don't deplete and load, I could drop my carbs over the next 10 days and still have 4-5 days to eat more. I am getting some better pics next week.
If your asking Me?
From the look of you in them pics I’d say yes drop the carbs
Though I’d have 2 very low days p, 1 high day, 3 low days, 1 medium day, 3 low days
Or something very similar - low days of approx 50 - 80grms depending on what work
You do.
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I normally reduce cardio 7-10 days out, but I am going to keep it high, an hour a day for another 8-9 days.
I am cutting back my weight training intensity a bit, maintaining 95% of volume but no more forced reps, drop sets going to failure. Last leg workout is today.
I am basically going to just stick to my diet, keep carbs around 250 a day. I am losing, and will continue to lose weight that way....I am definitely getting leaner each day. I ate a bit more carbs yesterday and look fuller and more vascular today, but I am still going to stay more conservative with diuretics.
Really, in terms of conditioning I am right on track if I simply do not change anything. I looked really good this morning, wife said so. Super vascular.
In terms of drugs, I am running 100 mgs tren ace/100 primo e/75 mast p/75 test ace injected everyday. I am going to stay with that and drop the test/mast/primo 8 days out. I will run the tren up to Wednesday. I am also taking 50 mgs of anavar and 50 mgs of winstrol/day. I will run that up to pre judging.
Oh, I am running 6 ius of GH/day. I am running that until Tuesday. That gives me 10 days to dry up. The GH, tren, cardio, and diet taken together will continue to lean me out, I really think I do not need to change anything.
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u r holding a good amount of muscle and have great hair. i'd drop the diuretics and cut ur dosages, tho... cuz sometime the less u take, the better u look... not to mention that old age is no time to tard out health wise
LOL....yes my hair is bulletproof. My wife is going to dye it tomorrow.
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Looking at those 2 pics your body fat is fairly low.
Though they aren’t the best shots to judge someone’s condition.
Again just from the pics I’d say you’ve got more body fat to lose
Before worrying about the use of diuretics.
I’d be more concerned about the abdominal distension & waist width
Plus lack of calves.
Post up better pics as I don’t think those 2 are doing you any favours.
You were very kind/diplomatic. Totally agree that better pics should be posted as these pics show a guy in really good condition but the physique is brutal on the eyes.
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My back and legs are my best bodyparts, but these pics give an idea of my condition. They were taken after only one or two thiazides.
(https://scontent.fhou1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37311722_10155637613913807_4773097769948676096_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=8bcaa9cc3fe3a1459b70b8e21cdd273b&oe=5BDAD2F7)
(https://scontent.fhou1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37368538_10155637932543807_7106040287633342464_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=9c2d73000faa56905864c427b94ba55e&oe=5BD223D1)
Body fat is low but I think the water manipulation will do the trick if you lose a bit more of fat. All in all you are looking great, keep grinding because this last days are brutal on the body and mind.
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Thank you sir! Weight training is at 90-95% intensity, cardio staying high at 1 hour per day. Keeping diet stable. Everyone says I get leaner every day so not going to change much. Increase posing, stopped leg training, cutting cardio 5 days out and resting completely on Thursday/Friday.
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I am also taking 50 mgs of anavar and 50 mgs of winstrol/day. I will run that up to pre judging.
I do not endorse competitive bodybuilding, but if u cut the winstrol, and ingest 1-2mg of letro 48hrs prior to stage, while running the anavar all the way thru... couldn't hurt.
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I am running A Dex.....don't think I have any letro. Bumping up to 1 mg of A Dex, also running 20 mgs of Nolvadex/day.
Yes, competitive B building is a very dangerous sport (trained MMA for 17 years...its safer) I just needed to do one last insane thing before dying, lol.
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Holy shit....I am looking good. Twice as big as I did in the above pics. Still doing an hour of cardio but eating more. Went down to 200 3 days ago and raised up to 500 grams of carbs today. A pound of prime tenderloin a pound of crab. I will stay 450-500 carbs all week and just not train Thursday Friday, I will fill out. Tomorrow is last day of cardio/hard training and keeping weights light.
I really should be careful not to fuck up because damn I look shredded and full. Doing more posing which is a workout.
I added Winstrol 2 weeks ago and have responded really well. Still on close to 600 week tren ace. Maybe 5% b fat.
Going to stay conservative with the diuretics.
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In the many years between your competition in your younger days and your prep now, did you use any AAS or TRT and GH?
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I have been on moderate dosage HRT for many years....300 week test, 2 iu's of GH. Never large amounts like now. I am going back to lower amounts, 300 test 200 deca cruise for the next 3 months.
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I have been on moderate dosage HRT for many years....300 week test, 2 iu's of GH. Never large amounts like now. I am going back to lower amounts, 300 test 200 deca cruise for the next 3 months.
Nice, good to see you can low dose and stay healthy. I only use 100mg/week now + HCG, so I should be safe...
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https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38914364_10155692920643807_2053811665404690432_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=f8eb0dc3423f36519d02a4d099bac765&oe=5C0285F9
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Came in full and dry: (https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38914364_10155692920643807_2053811665404690432_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=f8eb0dc3423f36519d02a4d099bac765&oe=5C0285F9)
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From that pic
There doesn’t appear any need for the use of diuretics
I’d say that condition & tighter could easily been achieved
Through diet & AS alone.
As long as you are pleased with how you looked
That’s a Positive.