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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Condor on April 16, 2006, 05:43:21 PM
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Kinda close.....who do you pick?
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Gunter dwarfs Arnold. Makes him look like a G.I. Joe action figure.
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65 pound weight advantage he dwafs Arnold lol master of the obvious , thats like saying Ronnie dawfs Shawn Ray ::)
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I'd say Gunter has Arnold in the legs, Arnold has Gunter in upper chest and delt thickness, Gunter has Arnold in vascularity.
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Not sure Gunter had a 65lb. weight advantage, but still, arnold does make up for a lot of weight.
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that is a crazy shot of gunter, he definitely should have been 2nd place last year.
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Kinda close.....who do you pick?
It's always been Arnold.. Imagine Gunter loses all the juices or Arnold consumes the juices that's available in the modern game.
Arnold will win without a doubt
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Gimme a break! why is there even a comparison? these guys are 30 years apart
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No, a picture has been "re"-moved from ironage, but I know nothing of a topic, please, do not insist on giving me so much credit. Thought it was a close comparison, not a CIA cover-up.
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Imagine if Arnold had access to the drugs and nutrition of today.
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Gimme a break! why is there even a comparison? these guys are 30 years apart
Yeah, you're right, nobody has made any such comparisons on this board before. I thought it would be an interesting comparison. I mean, nobody in any sport compares athletes from different decades. Unless, of course, you consider Sanders vs. Brown, Bonds vs. Mays, Clemens vs. Gibson, Tyson vs. Ali, Bryant vs. Jordan, O'neal vs. Chamberlain, etc., etc., or even if you don't consider Gunter and Arnold in the same category, it's worthy of maybe a Manning vs. Staubach? Please, open your eyes a bit.
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the oak! 8)
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ok well bryant vs. jordan is retarded. jordan wins every time. ANYWAY bodybuilding is the one that's most difficult to compare because it has changed so much. what IF Arnold had today's drugs? come on that can do on forever. that's like saying "who's better Bobby Fischer or Gary Kasparov?" Kasparov has computers, databases, a team of Russians to help him and nowadays there's more people playing chess so he has more opponents to learn from AND of course all the games played since Fischer stopped playing... WHAT IF Fischer was young again and had access to all that stuff? how can you argue about that? who the hell knows?
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It's always been Arnold.. Imagine Gunter loses all the juices or Arnold consumes the juices that's available in the modern game.
Arnold will win without a doubt
imagine gunter was from austria instead of germany. imagine arnold was blonde. imagine gunter was able to trick ronnie into walking off stage before the night show. imagine arnold was actually a woman and gunter married her in the mid-80s.
hypotheticals are fucking retarded, prime gunter is bigger and better conditioned than arnold, the rest comes down to your preferences in aesthetics.
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Same hight, Gunter on stage at 300.. Arnold on stage at 235.. Too close to call..
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that 235 stuff is nonsense
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ok well bryant vs. jordan is retarded. jordan wins every time. ANYWAY bodybuilding is the one that's most difficult to compare because it has changed so much. what IF Arnold had today's drugs? come on that can do on forever. that's like saying "who's better Bobby Fischer or Gary Kasparov?" Kasparov has computers, databases, a team of Russians to help him and nowadays there's more people playing chess so he has more opponents to learn from AND of course all the games played since Fischer stopped playing... WHAT IF Fischer was young again and had access to all that stuff? how can you argue about that? who the hell knows?
Dude, Mr. Garry Kasparov became the youngest world champion when computers were just starting and chess engine strength was very very low. Sure Garry had a team of GM's helping him but so did Fischer... one was a priest or bishop and he's very famous.
Fischer can't touch Kasparov, the strongest player ever.
I agree with you that Jordan dwarfs Bryant anytime!
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that 235 stuff is nonsense
http://www.bodybuildbid.com/articles/mrolympia/arnold-schwarzenegger.html
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nah buddy. Fischer didn't have nothing to help him. He only had a second, Lombardy and he wasn't even so strong. Yes it's true Kasparov became youngest champ but that was in 85. Kasparov was at his peak in like 98-2000. Let's look at what Fischer had done. Took out the entire Russian Chess Machine by himself. His rating was 2780 when Spassky's was only 2690! He OWNED Petrossian in a match 6-2. Search for Kasparov's record with Petrossian. Petrossian was passed his prime and did very well against Kasparov. The 20 wins in a row thing from Fischer was insane. Let's look at Fischer's competition. All animals... Petrossian, Geller, Spassky, Tal, Smyslov, Korchnoi. And I also believe that Kasparov prearranged many games. Why don't you also search for Kasparov's against Spassky... he did very well. After Spassky lost the Russians made him throw games and lose to Karpov many times and even to Korchnoi. Everybody knows Spassky was better than Korchnoi.
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nah buddy. Fischer didn't have nothing to help him. He only had a second, Lombardy and he wasn't even so strong. Yes it's true Kasparov became youngest champ but that was in 85. Kasparov was at his peak in like 98-2000. Let's look at what Fischer had done. Took out the entire Russian Chess Machine by himself. His rating was 2780 when Spassky's was only 2690! He OWNED Petrossian in a match 6-2. Search for Kasparov's record with Petrossian. Petrossian was passed his prime and did very well against Kasparov. The 20 wins in a row thing from Fischer was insane. Let's look at Fischer's competition. All animals... Petrossian, Geller, Spassky, Tal, Smyslov, Korchnoi. And I also believe that Kasparov prearranged many games. Why don't you also search for Kasparov's against Spassky... he did very well. After Spassky lost the Russians made him throw games and lose to Karpov many times and even to Korchnoi. Everybody knows Spassky was better than Korchnoi.
Mhmm... it seems we're both chess players. Fischer was a wonderful player but his playing depth was nowhere near the one achieved by Kasparov. You know, the guy got seriously scared by Karpov himself, another great player that Kasparov always edged.
Since you are passionate about statistics, look at the ELO of Kasparov, nobody dominated in the way he did.
Sure Spassky was better than Korchoi, but just for a short period of time. Korchnoi was still winning tournaments in the nineties. I had a draw against Spassky in a simultaneous game in 1996!
Check Kasparov's book, he explains quite well why Fischer style was already surpassed in the late seventies. He wouldn't have a chance against Karpov.
Also Garry, if he just wanted would be still there kicking ass!
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fischer against karpov? that's ridiculous, kasparov can explain whatever he wants. you can't even trust all their games. It's a fact that korchnoi's matches with karpov were fixed. korchnoi said it in inside chess sept 1994. fischer wasn't afraid of anybody he was just so stubborn with his demands. fischer's style surpassed? what does that even mean? fischer had a perfect endgame, he was always on top with openings, he was very creative, he had it all. just comparing the two (fischer and kasparov) Kasparov's got the opening advantage because of modern technology and a little bit better attacker but fischer was more solid and a much better endgame player not to mention an awesome defender.
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Yes from pictures Arnold didn't seem like a bulker. he was very much like Levrone. I don't think Arnold roided in the off-season. Look at the guy's measurements. how can he weigh 235 onstage? in 1975 he wasn't his biggest so maybe then but not in 73 or 74
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Didn't Arnold get smaller in the offseason and bulk up for competition, much like Levrone? That's what I always understood to be true. So I don't see how the 260lbs offseason would be accurate.
Yeah, he always grew into contests. In his younger days he did get heavy, though. This was before he lost to Frank Zane.
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fischer against karpov? that's ridiculous, kasparov can explain whatever he wants. you can't even trust all their games. It's a fact that korchnoi's matches with karpov were fixed. korchnoi said it in inside chess sept 1994. fischer wasn't afraid of anybody he was just so stubborn with his demands. fischer's style surpassed? what does that even mean? fischer had a perfect endgame, he was always on top with openings, he was very creative, he had it all. just comparing the two (fischer and kasparov) Kasparov's got the opening advantage because of modern technology and a little bit better attacker but fischer was more solid and a much better endgame player not to mention an awesome defender.
No it's not in the endgame Karpov and Kasparov superiority.... They are all great at that. Fischer style was quite tactic, but Karpov brought a more strategic, solid view. He aimed at gaining small, impeceptible advantages. His treatment of the Caro-Kann is still today textbook material.
Your comments on arranged games are baseless.
Btw, I met once Bobby Fischer in a chess club in Budapest, we ended up talking about the big boobs of hungarian girls :D
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Gimme a break! why is there even a comparison? these guys are 30 years apart
Exactly
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Exactly
Why not compare Eugene Sandow and Bill Pearl. ::)
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It was for real guys Kasparov got a good bang
http://www.compromat.ru/main/sport/kasparov4.htm
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It was for real guys Kasparov got a good bang
http://www.compromat.ru/main/sport/kasparov4.htm
Why did they hit him with the board?
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Why did they hit him with the board?
It is like in that anecdote when you lose to your opponent in chess you left just to hit him by the board
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he retired from chess and became involved in politics and some guy didn't like him and clocked him with a board
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arnold smokes this dick head gunter..gunter is the worst ever pro.he should not even b on stage.i dunno wat the hype is about this dick head gunter.he has no elgs and his legs r worst than levrones..truly the most overrated bodybuilder ever along with flex wheeler......he is just 300lbs for the sake of 300lbs.still its hard 2 believe that a legless gunter beat a full and hard coleman at the 2002 gnc .gunter was given the biggest gift in pro bodybuilding history.sad!!!!!!!!
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What kind of "coloring" do the pros from Europe use? They always look great onstage. Kinda like a Bronze statue.
Gunter over Arnie but thats several decades apart, apples and oranges baby.
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hypotheticals are fucking retarded, prime gunter is bigger and better conditioned than arnold, the rest comes down to your preferences in aesthetics.
No one of Arnolds era was conditioned like todays pro's, the science wasn't there. Today's 290 pound monsters don't work any harder than they did in the past, hell, in a lot of cases they work less. They just have access to substances that didn't exist 20-30 years ago, not to mention the nutrition of today.
While it's true that Gunter is bigger and better conditioned, it's also true that Arnold was the champion during the years he competed. This my friend is something Gunter can't say, but guys like Arnold, Haney, Dorian, Ronnie, etc can. Arnold has a timeless build that almost any of us wish we had. Fuck the weight difference, I still respect Arnold as a BB more than Gunter.
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arnold smokes this dick head gunter..gunter is the worst ever pro.he should not even b on stage.i dunno wat the hype is about this dick head gunter.he has no elgs and his legs r worst than levrones..truly the most overrated bodybuilder ever along with flex wheeler......he is just 300lbs for the sake of 300lbs.still its hard 2 believe that a legless gunter beat a full and hard coleman at the 2002 gnc .gunter was given the biggest gift in pro bodybuilding history.sad!!!!!!!!
Please try to be more positive.
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arnold is still tha best.
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This started about Ah'nuld and Gunther an ended about chess.
And there's not a single "meltdown" or "gay" or "owned" in this thread.
Weird
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arnold smokes this dick head gunter..gunter is the worst ever pro.he should not even b on stage.i dunno wat the hype is about this dick head gunter.he has no elgs and his legs r worst than levrones..truly the most overrated bodybuilder ever along with flex wheeler......he is just 300lbs for the sake of 300lbs.still its hard 2 believe that a legless gunter beat a full and hard coleman at the 2002 gnc .gunter was given the biggest gift in pro bodybuilding history.sad!!!!!!!!
Now that I've translated what appears to be english, I will say that Gunter actually used to known for his leg mass, they have seemingly shrunk in the past few years. Gunter may need to fill out a bit but he still looks larger and wider than anybody else on the stage. Calling him the worst of all time? I'm quite sure most would agree that you could come up with at least 300 other bodybuilders that look worse.
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How can people say Gunter doesn't belong on stage ??? If anything i would say get rid of Jaw Gutler and the rest of the gut masters like Gustavo. Gunter displays a very classical look compared to most of todays pros and his legs while smaller then years past were shredded.
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65 pound weight advantage he dwafs Arnold lol master of the obvious , thats like saying Ronnie dawfs Shawn Ray ::)
Do you really think Gunther is a legit 300 pounds in contest condition? At the same height he doesn't look 65 pounds heavier than Arnold.
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ok buddy so you played spassky in a simul AND met fischer in hungary... anyway fischer was the best ever at exploiting small advantages. i didn't quite understand what you said about endgame but fischer's was better.
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It's funny some guys are talking chess on a bodybuildng board and post about Arnold.
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By the way my claims about prearrangement are not baseless. it's a fact that the korchnoi-karpov matches were fixed unless korchnoi is a liar and kasparov has fixed games. unless you wanna call nigel short a liar. you seen Bc4 Najdorf game they drew with Kasparov playing black? it was the one where they drew with perpetual position in like 20 moves where Short kept threatening mate on the kingside. it was a tournament game not a match game. the game was cooked up. according to short the reason they fixed the fancy draw was because kasparov needed a draw to win the event and short had been bitten by a dog the night before and didn't feel like playing a hard game.
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yeah well I played a russkie in a trial and once met a fisher who was hungry.
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It's funny some guys are talking chess on a bodybuildng board and post about Arnold.
yeah it's like being on a bible study chat room and talking about gay porn.
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how dare you compare chess to gay porn!?
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It's funny some guys are talking chess on a bodybuildng board and post about Arnold.
Things are kinda related.... Arnold used to play chess a lot with Franco :)
And chess and bodybuilding are kind of similar: they are the extreme disciplines for mind and body.
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arnold sucks at chess. i saw a thing where he goes to a school to play chess with some kids and he said "i like my horses" ::) real players dont say that
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arnold sucks at chess. i saw a thing where he goes to a school to play chess with some kids and he said "i like my horses" ::) real players dont say that
Who said he was good? Also things are relative... I guess you suck badly if you play against a GM.
Also if you say he was bad for a quote he said playing with kids... oh well... that's not a good indicator! I don't know how good he was, but I know for sure that Franco wasn't bad.
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arnold sucks at chess. i saw a thing where he goes to a school to play chess with some kids and he said "i like my horses" ::) real players dont say that
He could be better than you.
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no no buddy he can't be. i'm a real tournament player and i can play a whole game blindfolded. we chess players can tell who is a chess player by the way they talk. wouldn't you be able to tell if someone doesn't know anything about bodybuilding if they said "my arm muscle"