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https://exploringyourmind.com/7-characteristics-authoritarian-people/
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What made it clear?
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I think it describes Trump's leadership style and personality quite well.
https://exploringyourmind.com/7-characteristics-authoritarian-people/
YOU are not a Never Trumper
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We've just come to the close of a packed week of public testimony in
the Trump impeachment inquiry. To me , it's clear he tried to shake down the Ukraine
to gain political dirt on his political rival.
The republican Trump suppoters are unmoved however and I know why.
They honestly believe back door dealings is how politics really operates .
Unless it works against THEM, why not?
It's a fair point and the attitude many have when it comes to everything from sports to money or relationships.
If my team gets away with a foul , why not shut up and be happy ?
If I cheat on my wife and she never finds out, what harm is done?
If I cheat on my taxes ,that's good for me . Besides, everyone does it...right?
The problem is if everyone gets away with bending the rules , then , we have no rules.
One of the hallmarks of US democracy is being a nation run by laws .
Without the law , we have no GOV protections when those in charge, ever go against us.
Once the rich, powerful and connected become above the law, we devolve into a corrupt "shithole" country.
Eventually the vast majorty are silenced by the opressive leaders, with a growing vice grip on power.
Having a free and thriving press is NOT the enemy of the people or the purveyor of "fake news".
Trump is a corrupt President who thinks he's above the law.
He demands loyalty and ridicules any who dare speak out against him, regardless of the evidence.
He's a clear and present danger to the ideals that made America the greatest nation on earth.
Please look at this link which includes the 7 main traits of authoritarian leaders.
I think it describes Trump's leadership style and personality quite well.
https://exploringyourmind.com/7-characteristics-authoritarian-people/
2020 is going to be hard times for you.
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My wife is hopeful they invent a stronger Viagra, but I digress.
Unlike some liberal dems, I didn't cry or parade with a pink pussy hat after Trump was elected.
I hoped for the best and it hasn't been all bad. In fact, the economy continued to chug along quite well.
Suffice to say, my wife and I are happy and enjoying life.
Please note, my personal life isn't my one and only concern.
As I outlined in my OP, I feel that Trump is a threat to the future security of our great nation.
If you would have actually watched it you Soviet-style kangaroo court that brought zero evidence. If they impeach then bring it to trial and watch the left squirm when they’ll finally be able to call any witness they want that being said, call the “whistleblower” first then Schiff then right down the line. You live in an alternate universe
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If you would have actually watched it you Soviet-style kangaroo court that brought zero evidence. If they impeach then bring it to trial and watch the left squirm when they’ll finally be able to call any witness they want that being said, call the “whistleblower” first then Schiff then right down the line. You live in an alternate universe
It's not just him, it's something that's affected many.
I went to lunch with an old friend, he is so "affected" by this - they consume all the media all day, and cannot be rationalized with.
It's really odd.
They just CANNOT view anything outside of their groupthink bubbles.
I've seen this: "Trump never condems the white supremecists"......<Show a quote of him doing just that> "Well, he doesn't mean it"
"Trump hates gays"...<show a quote at the UN where Trump condems nations that outlaw homosexuality and is working to change their views> "I never saw that, OK that's ONE thing he might be doing right"
People have lost their minds.
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Good post.
Everyone has some form of political opinion.
The vast array of cable news and social media tend to put people in their respective bubbles.
At least those of us who interact on this forum, get exposed to alternative views.
People get confused and wrongly assume, IF you here their view, you'll agree with their argument.
Then, if you fail to agree with them, they endlessly insult and ridicule you.
I still can't understand why people take any counter view as a PERSONAL attack on them.
Context is important:
People take counter views in the real world as personal attacks, because people are personally attacking - looking at protests - recently Anne Coulter spoke at a university - students made a human wall to not let people in. If you wear a Bernie shirt, you can walk around without issue. If you wear a MAGA hat, probably a good chance you'll have some sort of incident.
Here, people take counter views as personal attacks because the liberals on this site are dipshits who only do just that. People like straw, etc will never concede a point and are just here to be assholes
As far as me, I didn't vote Trump or HRC. From what I've seen since his presidency, we've seen a complete degredation of the free press, a very dangerous situation where tech is manipulating data and disguising it as an objective algorithm, radical behavior from the left (antifa) etc, so I'm more and more finding myself defending the Republicans, as I have not seen one legit Democratic front runner who would make things better.
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Stop eating all that soy, Howard.
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For those of us who were against Obama, we can point to something that effected us negatively, Obamacare which forced people to buy health insurance.
Point to something Trump has done which has had a negative effect on your life.
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For those of us who were against Obama, we can point to something that effected us negatively, Obamacare which forced people to buy health insurance.
Point to something Trump has done which has had a negative effect on your life.
This is a point I've made repeatedly.
If people stayed off social media and went about their day, they'd find their lives haven't changed much.
But if you ask, they'll say they're not worried about themselves, etc.......
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Fair point, in terms of basic econmics, but he's a real threat to our environmental interests.
But since you asked, the repeal or removal of various environmental regulations is a big negative.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks.html
He also wants to change the proected status of national parks .
The worst may be removing the ban on minning of Uranium in the Grand Canyon.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-administration-threatens-national-parks-and-monuments-701468
Trump has had a negative effect on our institutions ( FBI, CIA, NSA,etc).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-10-worst-things-trump-has-done-in-his-first-year-in-office/2017/12/29/2446d9f6-eca8-11e7-b698-91d4e35920a3_story.html
In fairness, Obama contributed to a reduction in the public trust of our police .
Trump's continued attack of the free press , really troubles me.
https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/freedom-press/donald-trump-thinks-freedom-press-disgusting
One of the hallmarks of a free society is a free press.
Constantly refering to the press corps as the enemy of the people , sounds like a tin pot dictator.
The avg non_Jewish person lived a decent avg life during most of the 1930's in Germany
https://allthatsinteresting.com/life-in-nazi-germany
They lived their lives and even hosted the Olympics in 1936.
I could go on, but this is a good start.
These are all basically opinions and nothing that compares to the fact of having to be forced to buy health insurance.
I had a good laugh at the worst things Trump in this first year of presidency piece with one of them being firing James Comey😂😂😂.
That said, congratulations on living up to that liberal standard of always managing to bring Hitler into a conversation.
Here’s the reality. All of the gloom and doom predictions about Trump were wrong from the economy to Foreign conflicts to race relations, not a single one was right.
Here’s a classic:
Paul Krugman: Trump will bring global recession - POLITICO
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/krugman-trump-global-recession-2016-231055
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These are all basically opinions and nothing that compares to the fact of having to be forced to buy health insurance.
I had a good laugh at the worst things Trump in this first year of presidency piece with one of them being firing James Comey😂😂😂.
That said, congratulations on living up to that liberal standard of always managing to bring Hitler into a conversation.
Here’s the reality. All of the gloom and doom predictions about Trump were wrong from the economy to Foreign conflicts to race relations, not a single one was right.
Here’s a classic:
Paul Krugman: Trump will bring global recession - POLITICO
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/krugman-trump-global-recession-2016-231055
Let's hope a global recession doesn't happen, but it could. Even during Trump's watch.
Twice now, you've mentioned being forced to buy health insurance. Until hospitals and doctors can refuse service to anyone who can't pay for it, either out of pocket or with health insurance, I will support any plan requiring everyone be insured.
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We've just come to the close of a packed week of public testimony in
the Trump impeachment inquiry. To me , it's clear he tried to shake down the Ukraine
to gain political dirt on his political rival.
The republican Trump suppoters are unmoved however and I know why.
They honestly believe back door dealings is how politics really operates .
Unless it works against THEM, why not?
It's a fair point and the attitude many have when it comes to everything from sports to money or relationships.
If my team gets away with a foul , why not shut up and be happy ?
If I cheat on my wife and she never finds out, what harm is done?
If I cheat on my taxes ,that's good for me . Besides, everyone does it...right?
The problem is if everyone gets away with bending the rules , then , we have no rules.
One of the hallmarks of US democracy is being a nation run by laws .
Without the law , we have no GOV protections when those in charge, ever go against us.
Once the rich, powerful and connected become above the law, we devolve into a corrupt "shithole" country.
Eventually the vast majorty are silenced by the opressive leaders, with a growing vice grip on power.
Having a free and thriving press is NOT the enemy of the people or the purveyor of "fake news".
Trump is a corrupt President who thinks he's above the law.
He demands loyalty and ridicules any who dare speak out against him, regardless of the evidence.
He's a clear and present danger to the ideals that made America the greatest nation on earth.
Please look at this link which includes the 7 main traits of authoritarian leaders.
I think it describes Trump's leadership style and personality quite well.
https://exploringyourmind.com/7-characteristics-authoritarian-people/
Ridiculous. They proved nothing. Absolutely nothing. Zero proof that the POTUS engaged in a quid pro quo. Zero proof of bribery. Zero proof of treason. Zero proof of any "high crime or misdemeanor." But because of people like you who don't do any kind of deep dive into the facts, they can just keep repeating the same lies and you folks will eat it up. This is a very dangerous time in our country's history. You people are dangerous; the ones in high places who repeatedly lie and the sheep who accept those lies and blindly follow.
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A never Trumper is a Republican or conservative who has always opposed Trump.
Are you either?
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Ridiculous. They proved nothing. Absolutely nothing. Zero proof that the POTUS engaged in a quid pro quo. Zero proof of bribery. Zero proof of treason. Zero proof of any "high crime or misdemeanor." But because of people like you who don't do any kind of deep dive into the facts, they can just keep repeating the same lies and you folks will eat it up. This is a very dangerous time in our country's history. You people are dangerous; the ones in high places who repeatedly lie and the sheep who accept those lies and blindly follow.
Not according to MSNBC. I had the misfortune of watching it at the woman’s house. There isn’t any doubt about Trump’s guilt. That and the Ukraine is the most important issue that America is currently facing.
Moreover, Biden’s gaffes are a result of a stuttering problem which is not his fault.
Oh yeah, John Bolton is now a great guy.
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Not according to MSNBC. I had the misfortune of watching it at the woman’s house. There isn’t any doubt about Trump’s guilt. That and the Ukraine is the most important issue that America is currently facing.
Moreover, Biden’s gaffes are a result of a stuttering problem which is not his fault.
Oh yeah, John Bolton is now a great guy.
I just saw a clip of some guy on MSNBC saying this impeachment hearing showed the most damning evidence against a president in American history. These people are nuts.
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I just saw a clip of some guy on MSNBC saying this impeachment hearing showed the most damning evidence against a president in American history. These people are nuts.
MSNBC = Mostly Stuff No Body Cares (About). :D
The compilations of myriad breathless predictions of Trump's imminent doom by the various hosts and guests
have been accruing for years.
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I just saw a clip of some guy on MSNBC saying this impeachment hearing showed the most damning evidence against a president in American history. These people are nuts.
I hadn’t watched MSNBC in a while I didn’t realize how bad it was. No wonder TDS is so debilitating. You have these loons fanning the flame every day. I caught some of the Chris Hayes show. What a soyboy!
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MSNBC = Mostly Stuff No Body Cares (About). :D
The compilations of myriad breathless predictions of Trump's imminent doom by the various hosts and guests
have been accruing for years.
They keep trying to speak things into existence.
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I hadn’t watched MSNBC in a while I didn’t realize how bad it was. No wonder TDS is so debilitating. You have these loons fanning the flame every day. I caught some of the Chris Hayes show. What a soyboy!
I used to watch on a regular basis but I cannot tolerate listening to them, so I mostly read their website. If you actually pay attention, it's painfully obvious how badly they are manipulating their audience.
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YOU are not a Never Trumper
But he is Howard the Cuck.
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If you take an objective look at it, these hearings were truly bizarre. The person who started the whole thing, the whistleblower, was nowhere to be found, neither was there anyone representing the supposed victims: Ukrainians.🤔
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We've just come to the close of a packed week of public testimony in
the Trump impeachment inquiry. To me , it's clear he tried to shake down the Ukraine
to gain political dirt on his political rival.
The republican Trump suppoters are unmoved however and I know why.
They honestly believe back door dealings is how politics really operates .
Unless it works against THEM, why not?
It's a fair point and the attitude many have when it comes to everything from sports to money or relationships.
If my team gets away with a foul , why not shut up and be happy ?
If I cheat on my wife and she never finds out, what harm is done?
If I cheat on my taxes ,that's good for me . Besides, everyone does it...right?
The problem is if everyone gets away with bending the rules , then , we have no rules.
One of the hallmarks of US democracy is being a nation run by laws .
Without the law , we have no GOV protections when those in charge, ever go against us.
Once the rich, powerful and connected become above the law, we devolve into a corrupt "shithole" country.
Eventually the vast majorty are silenced by the opressive leaders, with a growing vice grip on power.
Having a free and thriving press is NOT the enemy of the people or the purveyor of "fake news".
Trump is a corrupt President who thinks he's above the law.
He demands loyalty and ridicules any who dare speak out against him, regardless of the evidence.
He's a clear and present danger to the ideals that made America the greatest nation on earth.
Please look at this link which includes the 7 main traits of authoritarian leaders.
I think it describes Trump's leadership style and personality quite well.
https://exploringyourmind.com/7-characteristics-authoritarian-people/
OP is retarded
Didn’t read
Fuck off Howard
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We've just come to the close of a packed week of public testimony in
the Trump impeachment inquiry. To me , it's clear he tried to shake down the Ukraine
to gain political dirt on his political rival.
Impeachment musings of a Never Trumper (me)
This is all we need to see. You've proven far too biased to have an open minded opinion.
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The end result of this was that the Democrats preached to the choir and alienated everyone else:
Poll: Opposition by independents to impeachment inquiry jumps 10 points | TheHill
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/471057-poll-independent-opposition-to-impeachment-inquiry-jumps-10-points-in-last (https://thehill.com/homenews/house/471057-poll-independent-opposition-to-impeachment-inquiry-jumps-10-points-in-last)
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The end result of this was that the Democrats preached to the choir and alienated everyone else:
Poll: Opposition by independents to impeachment inquiry jumps 10 points | TheHill
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/471057-poll-independent-opposition-to-impeachment-inquiry-jumps-10-points-in-last (https://thehill.com/homenews/house/471057-poll-independent-opposition-to-impeachment-inquiry-jumps-10-points-in-last)
Watch the Democrat rats scurry when the Horowitz and Dunham reports come out.
Quid pro quo will be the least of their worries.
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DemocRats and RINOs are (hopefully) on the Endangered Feces List.
Traitors to our Nation, to our Constitution, to us. The Deep State is Animal Farm and they're the pigs.
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Fair point, in terms of basic econmics, but he's a real threat to our environmental interests.
Trump has had a negative effect on our institutions ( FBI, CIA, NSA,etc).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-10-worst-things-trump-has-done-in-his-first-year-in-office/2017/12/29/2446d9f6-eca8-11e7-b698-91d4e35920a3_story.html
In fairness, Obama contributed to a reduction in the public trust of our police .
I could go on, but this is a good start.
😂😂
Former FBI lawyer under investigation after allegedly altering document in 2016 Russia probe - CNNPolitics
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/21/politics/fbi-fisa-russia-investigation/index.html
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I just saw a clip of some guy on MSNBC saying this impeachment hearing showed the most damning evidence against a president in American history. These people are nuts.
You do realize there are more perspectives than just yours, don't you? Some might see your obsession with and position on all this as a bit nuts. For every person siding with Trump there is someone who thinks he's a criminal. Both sides believe they are 100% right.
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This is all we need to see. You've proven far too biased to have an open minded opinion.
Hmm...you seem pretty biased yourself. I've not seen any evidence of you having an open mind.
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This is all we need to see. You've proven far too biased to have an open minded opinion.
That was my thought as well. Never Trumpers cannot be reasoned with by definition.
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I agree with you that the economy is booming .
My main concern is about the 85 environmental regulations repealed by Trump.
Permanent damage to the air, land and water effects everyone.
Cite a legitimate source that indicates that President Trump has rolled back 85 environmental regulations and that all 85 rollbacks have harmed the environment.
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All 12 of the witnesses said Trump engaged in an attempted quid pro quo in dealing with the UK Pres.
An "attempted crime"? What is that exactly?
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We've just come to the close of a packed week of public testimony in
the Trump impeachment inquiry. To me , it's clear he tried to shake down the Ukraine
to gain political dirt on his political rival.
The republican Trump suppoters are unmoved however and I know why.
They honestly believe back door dealings is how politics really operates .
Unless it works against THEM, why not?
It's a fair point and the attitude many have when it comes to everything from sports to money or relationships.
If my team gets away with a foul , why not shut up and be happy ?
If I cheat on my wife and she never finds out, what harm is done?
If I cheat on my taxes ,that's good for me . Besides, everyone does it...right?
The problem is if everyone gets away with bending the rules , then , we have no rules.
One of the hallmarks of US democracy is being a nation run by laws .
Without the law , we have no GOV protections when those in charge, ever go against us.
Once the rich, powerful and connected become above the law, we devolve into a corrupt "shithole" country.
Eventually the vast majorty are silenced by the opressive leaders, with a growing vice grip on power.
Having a free and thriving press is NOT the enemy of the people or the purveyor of "fake news".
Trump is a corrupt President who thinks he's above the law.
He demands loyalty and ridicules any who dare speak out against him, regardless of the evidence.
He's a clear and present danger to the ideals that made America the greatest nation on earth.
Please look at this link which includes the 7 main traits of authoritarian leaders.
I think it describes Trump's leadership style and personality quite well.
https://exploringyourmind.com/7-characteristics-authoritarian-people/
Do you realize the overwhelming irony that is the basic premise of all that you wrote, whereby the only reason you're bringing this up now is because TRUMP is the president?
It is an undeniable fact that the previous administrations were dirty.
This isn't debatable. The Clinton foundation et al was the biggest selloff of America in exchange for private wealth we will likely ever know now that the USA has become fully polarized.
If you were truly as principled as you were proporting, and could step back and an objective look at politics over the last 30 years, you would've pointed out that you should have taken issue long before Trump became president.
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Fair point, in terms of basic econmics, but he's a real threat to our environmental interests.
But since you asked, the repeal or removal of various environmental regulations is a big negative.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks.html
He also wants to change the proected status of national parks .
The worst may be removing the ban on minning of Uranium in the Grand Canyon.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-administration-threatens-national-parks-and-monuments-701468
Trump has had a negative effect on our institutions ( FBI, CIA, NSA,etc).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-10-worst-things-trump-has-done-in-his-first-year-in-office/2017/12/29/2446d9f6-eca8-11e7-b698-91d4e35920a3_story.html
In fairness, Obama contributed to a reduction in the public trust of our police .
Trump's continued attack of the free press , really troubles me.
https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/freedom-press/donald-trump-thinks-freedom-press-disgusting
One of the hallmarks of a free society is a free press.
Constantly refering to the press corps as the enemy of the people , sounds like a tin pot dictator.
The avg non_Jewish person lived a decent avg life during most of the 1930's in Germany
https://allthatsinteresting.com/life-in-nazi-germany
They lived their lives and even hosted the Olympics in 1936.
I could go on, but this is a good start.
Laughter at the list you compiled, other than national parks...
explain in your OWN words the last 3, not sure you can do this though as you do not understand what you copied and pasted from fake news.
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An "attempted crime"? What is that exactly?
Howard wrote attempted quid pro quo not attempted crime.
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Ok, so if someone attempts to rob a bank, but fail, they didn't do anything criminal?
Exactly what I was going to say.
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LOL, good zinger.
Of course unlike some macho men who about how bad their wife is...
I actually did something and divorced their ass.
Given the number of times you say you’ve been married, I would wager that the problem is not that of any bride. Do yourself a favor and resist the farce of marriage, sir.
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Howard wrote attempted quid pro quo not attempted crime.
Ukraine got the money and there was no investigation.
Worst quid pro quo ever.
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Cite a legitimate source that indicates that President Trump has rolled back 85 environmental regulations and that all 85 rollbacks have harmed the environment.
Did I miss Howard’s response to this?
Can any Democrat explain why Alexandra Chalupa wasn’t called to testify in the Impeachment Inquiry?
I mean, other than the obvious answer that the entire thing is a farce and a scam on the American public.
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Ok, so if someone attempts to rob a bank, but fail, they didn't do anything criminal?
What if someone just walked into a bank and spoke with the manager, but you hated that person so much you called 911 for him robbing the bank?
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What if someone just walked into a bank and spoke with the manager, but you hated that person so much you called 911 for him robbing the bank?
If you did that, you'd be charged with making a false police report.
Filing a false police report is a crime and can be charged as a misdemeanor or a felony. ... This is an example of speech that is not protected by the First Amendment and is in fact considered a crime against justice itself.
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I don't think my political views fit nicely with typical labels.
But, knock yourself out with whatever name, label or category you wish to call me.
What are you rambling about? You called yourself that.
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It doesn’t matter what Howard thinks. Frankly, it doesn’t matter what those of us who never bought into the scam think. Those on the fence are the only ones who really count and the Democrats clearly failed in that regard:
Support flips against impeachment as Trump approval rating jumps: Poll
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/support-flips-against-impeachment-as-trump-approval-rating-jumps-poll