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Shoulder press vs laterals.
Which exercise have you seen the best progress with? Which exercise is probably more likely to give you stupid looking, gross shoulders like Phil Heath? (Synthol is not working out that well for me.)
I do presses, don't really do laterals, but there's a guy at my gym who is very slim, but has some stand out shoulders. The only free weight shoulder exercise I've seen him do is side laterals. Other than that, it's a lot of cable work and some machine work.
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For what it's worth, I am a fan of the old dumbbell vertical and lateral raises + cable rear delt fly with strict form. I think that if you hit them twice a week, 4-5 days apart, you will get great results. The problem with shoulder presses is that if you have strong triceps, they will take over and reduce the tension to the delts. We've seen guys with massive triceps and baby delts (delts that would be more at home on a high school senior football player than a grown man). I find this is usually the result of the triceps compensating for compound movements where the delts should be primary.
I know it sounds rudimentary, but the delts aren't a very big muscle group and respond well to simple exercises as long as momentum is removed.
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Simple but effective.
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Presses build mostly front delt...mostly.
If a person does laterals correctly he`ll get insane results in no time flat as compared to presses.
Just my 2 cents.
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Hand stands ;)
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(http://deansomerset.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/upright-row.jpg)
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Why not do all three?
Presses, side laterals and rear laterals.
Upright rows (see above pic) are good for side delts and traps. I suggest a shoulder width or wider grip to avoid impingement.
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(http://deansomerset.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/upright-row.jpg)
If True Adonis and Palumbo had a son....
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Upright rows with 405 pounds
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Db laterals done properly. Meaning not with your back straight up at 90°. Lean forward a bit, maybe 70° with a bend in your elbows always "leading with the ring finger" and finishing with your hands with the pinky knuckle slightly higher than your index knuckle.
You also need to focus MORE on the posterior head over the medical and anterior heads.
I'm a fan or wide grip upright rows as well.
.... And don't be afraid to swing. It's that top split-second contraction up top that's gonna cause growth. The stiff, upright, straight arm, slow movements are also more likely to cause a shoulder injury that won't go away for a good 6-9months.
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The surefire exercise to get “capped delts” is the one where you inject a needle full of steroids directly into them. Of course, this has been “delt” with here before, haha
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=540990.50 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=540990.50)
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The surefire exercise to get “capped delts” is the one where you inject a needle full of steroids directly into them. Of course, this has been “delt” with here before, haha
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=540990.50 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=540990.50)
Good thread.
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Laterals and TRT.
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Why not do all three?
Presses, side laterals and rear laterals.
Upright rows (see above pic) are good for side delts and traps. I suggest a shoulder width or wider grip to avoid impingement.
THIS
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If True Adonis and Palumbo had a son....
LMAO
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Interesting responses, guys. Much appreciated.
I've had lateral raises in the same category as tricep kickbacks and cable flyes for awhile. I don't have a dedicated shoulder day, I do push/pull twice a week and do presses because compound> isolation, blah blah blah.
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Isolation exercises are worthless for those with no muscle to "isolate".
Build 'em first w/ compound lifts.
1. Bradford Press
2. OHP
3. BNP
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Upright rows with 405 pounds
Big Bevo knows where it's at.
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Shoulder press vs laterals.
Which exercise have you seen the best progress with? Which exercise is probably more likely to give you stupid looking, gross shoulders like Phil Heath? (Synthol is not working out that well for me.)
I do presses, don't really do laterals, but there's a guy at my gym who is very slim, but has some stand out shoulders. The only free weight shoulder exercise I've seen him do is side laterals. Other than that, it's a lot of cable work and some machine work.
This is a beginner level question.
You already knew the answer before you posted it.
There is no reason for you to be doing shoulder presses solely. Do yourself a favor and add some side raises after doing the presses.
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What is a thread about bodybuilding/training doing on Getbig?
Off topic!
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What's your bodyfat?
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do the main exercises (add dbol for better results) but the end result is pretty much all genetic.
someone like jason blaha will never have capped delts, even though he has weights in his living room.
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Shoulder press vs laterals.
Which exercise have you seen the best progress with? Which exercise is probably more likely to give you stupid looking, gross shoulders like Phil Heath? (Synthol is not working out that well for me.)
I do presses, don't really do laterals, but there's a guy at my gym who is very slim, but has some stand out shoulders. The only free weight shoulder exercise I've seen him do is side laterals. Other than that, it's a lot of cable work and some machine work.
side laterals... learn which technique works for you tho… whether it be seated, one arm, pouring out the picture of beer, dumbells to the side, dumbells in front.. get it? just always try and take the trap muscle out the movement...
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Isolation exercises are worthless for those with no muscle to "isolate".
Build 'em first w/ compound lifts.
1. Bradford Press
2. OHP
3. BNP
Bradford Presses are awesome and usually forgotton about or not kn own to begin with.
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Strict Press behind neck was exercise that made most difference for me,I know they can be bad for some people I do then after front presses and with slow negative and pause on the traps so can get away with using lighter weight
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Strict Press behind neck was exercise that made most difference for me,I know they can be bad for some people I do then after front presses and with slow negative and pause on the traps so can get away with using lighter weight
Absolutely hate these, but I know everyone's different. I also am not a fan of upright rows. No matter what grip I use, whether I use heavy weight, high volume or strict form, never really feel anything. Again, I know some people love these.
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Of course there's the Pre-Exhause sysyem, which seems to work very well on the delts. It can be applied to other muscle groups also.
When doing a compound exercise like presses behind the neck, a lighter set of a extension (extending away from the body) movement (lateral raises for example) are done right before. Point being to work the lateral head strongly first and than with the aid of the pressing muscles (mainly the triceps) work the lateral head even more. There is no rest between these two exercises.
Can also apply this type Pre-Exhause movement with lateral raises followed by upright rows or even hi-pulls. With hi-pulls, and a wider hand spacing ,the bar will only rise to the lower pec's, but that all one would need. The hi-pull is one of the better delt exercise around.
With front overhead presses, using the Pre-Exhause system can work well. Some will use front BB/DB raises rather that lateral raises. Some have tri setted this while doing front raises, lateral raises and finally front overhead presses. Your choice to which works best for you. And again, no rest between exercises. 3X8-10 usually, with this protocol being the only direct delt work done in a training session
There is also the Running The Rack system, for some very advanced and painful delt punishment. Either start at the lower end of the DB rack, or at the top weight (for you) db's. . Most guy's start at the higher weighted DB and work their way down until a 10lb db feels like a hundred pounds.. Can either do lateral raises or DB overhead presses....your choice.
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Side lateral raises will marginally improve your side delts but as a single joint movement performed from a position of poor leverage it doesn’t allow you to use much weight. Overhead pressing, a compound movement, will give you solid deltoid development, improve general strength and is clearly the better option if you’re going to choose only one.
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the delts are not designed to press overhead
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Side lateral raises will marginally improve your side delts but as a single joint movement performed from a position of poor leverage it doesn’t allow you to use much weight. Overhead pressing, a compound movement, will give you solid deltoid development, improve general strength and is clearly the better option if you’re going to choose only one.
But a "capped" look to the delts is more dependant on rear delt development.
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the delts are not designed to press overhead
Nonsense.
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But a "capped" look to the delts is more dependant on rear delt development.
The classic bodybuilding routine is to do pressing for front delt development and overall strength and do side and bent laterals for the side and rear heads.
IMO cable rows also hit the rear delts to some extent.
These days I just don’t give enough of a fuck to do all that. I just do one pushing movement for chest, one for Delts, one pulling movement for back and call it a day.
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side laterals... 90 degree-ish bend.. one side at a time... front raises... slight bend... one at a time.... quit overhead presses bc shoulders have felt a little more fragile every year.... haven't done them for 3 months.... shoulders look good... no pain anymore...
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Nonsense.
tell me of a situation where Neanderthal man would be pressing above his head, delts raise to the side and are used to push outward and down
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tell me of a situation where Neanderthal man would be pressing above his head, delts raise to the side and are used to push outward and down
Neanderthal man? Who gives a f*ck.
Shoulders get messed up by bench pressing too much.
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Neanderthal man? Who gives a f*ck.
Shoulders get messed up by bench pressing too much.
no where near as much as overhead pressing, you will live and learn, most people who have fucked up their shoulders stop doing overhead press, why do you think that is?
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no where near as much as overhead pressing, you will live and learn, most people who have fucked up their shoulders stop doing overhead press, why do you think that is?
Actually it's the opposite. Too little overhead pressing.
However, too much weight too soon and their connective tissues are not ready is also at fault.
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Too much weight too soon and their connective tissues are not ready.
because they put the joint in an unnatural angle and add weight.
its not natural to press overhead, your skeltal make up and gravity are evidence of that
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because they put the joint in an unnatural angle and add weight.
its not natural to press overhead, your skeltal make up and gravity are evidence of that
Of course it's natural to lift things over your head.
People do it all the time.
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Of course it's natural to lift things over your head.
People do it all the time.
in nature it never happens
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in nature it never happens
Africans never lift things over their head?
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Africans never lift things over their head?
africans are natural?
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Strict Press behind neck was exercise that made most difference for me,I know they can be bad for some people I do then after front presses and with slow negative and pause on the traps so can get away with using lighter weight
They worked for me as well, but contributed to my bad shoulders ultimately. Those and upright rows.
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africans are natural?
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/078d63074dfba136eca18ca2ae0236d3/tumblr_q26g1rJyrd1ytsttzo1_1280.jpg)
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Something that really helped me was keeping my clavicle depressed throughout the movement. So many people do kind of a lateral raise + shrug movement to lift more weight and the traps end up bearing most of the load.
Another thing to consider - the lateral delts contract to push the arms OUT and AWAY from the body, not up .. keep that in mind when performing your side delt raises.
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The Best routine for me was
Military Press Standing
Press Behind Neck or Dumbell Press
Side Lateral *(a) One Arm Side Lateral *(b) Front Lateral
Bent Over Lateral *(a) Lying Side Lateral
Upright Row or Behind Back Shrug
Stick with the main routine but * add in a few extra sets of either (a) or (b) every third time you train shoulders
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The Best routine for me was
Military Press Standing
Press Behind Neck or Dumbell Press
Side Lateral *(a) One Arm Side Lateral *(b) Front Lateral
Bent Over Lateral *(a) Lying Side Lateral
Upright Row or Behind Back Shrug
Stick with the main routine but * add in a few extra sets of either (a) or (b) every third time you train shoulders
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The Best routine for me was
Military Press Standing
Press Behind Neck or Dumbell Press
Side Lateral *(a) One Arm Side Lateral *(b) Front Lateral
Bent Over Lateral *(a) Lying Side Lateral
Upright Row or Behind Back Shrug
Stick with the main routine but * add in a few extra sets of either (a) or (b) every third time you train shoulders
Too much shoulder work for me. Back in the day, I had a shoulder day, but I actually felt like a dedicated day led to diminishing returns.
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More than 1 pressing movement is redundant IMO.
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Another thing that I believe helped was when triumph gear was popular here the test e 300 was pretty bad for pip and delt always swelled up a bit a few days after injection I believe a few months of this helped via stretching the muscle out similar to the way muscle memory works. Just a theory mite be coincidence but I firmly believe it helped
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Lateral raises.
I avoid above head shoulder pressing movements, not due to injury but I've found the lateral raises give better results with less effort and low risk of injury.