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any of you guys do them if you have no machine? with a barbell. asking cause my gym has no pullover machine so i use a barbell. really feel my lats.
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Yes especially when it's chilly.
Thanks for asking!
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Gimmick party.
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;D get yourself a moon bench stanly :D
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any of you guys do them if you have no machine? with a barbell. asking cause my gym has no pullover machine so i use a barbell. really feel my lats.
I have actually been using the lying hamstring machine for pullovers.
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I have actually been using the lying hamstring machine for pullovers.
interesting and very innovative but won't you rather use a nauuilis pullover machine.
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interesting and very innovative but won't you rather use a nauuilis pullover machine.
Of course, but most gyms I have been to do not have the pullover machine.
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I recently tried it using bands and a DB and loved it
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Of course, but most gyms I have been to do not have the pullover machine.
time to look for another gym. ;)
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I have actually been using the lying hamstring machine for pullovers.
never seen this before
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time to look for another gym. ;)
I don't care enough to leave my gym for one machine.
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I do them lying lengthwise on a flatbench with a dumbbell.
They also affect the triceps strongly.
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I don't care enough to leave my gym for one machine.
yes this bro. ;D
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yes this bro. ;D
You can make one yourself
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I do them lying lengthwise on a flatbench with a dumbbell.
They also affect the triceps strongly.
This.
However, I stopped doing them a long time ago as they're pretty much a useless exercise.
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any of you guys do them if you have no machine? with a barbell. asking cause my gym has no pullover machine so i use a barbell. really feel my lats.
You can also do them with a dumbbell. -Feels a bit safer. Fortunately, the gyms I go to all have the machines now.
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This.
However, I stopped doing them a long time ago as they're pretty much a useless exercise.
why?
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Crap exercise. I bench squat military and dead.
Then eat steak and drink milk
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why?
every muscle part it hits can be worked better with other major lifts.
and you can hit the front part of the lats better with chins and even push ups IME
however, the nautillus machine that dorian had looked like it was an amazing exercise.
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every muscle part it hits can be worked better with other major lifts.
and you can hit the front part of the lats better with chins and even push ups IME
however, the nautillus machine that dorian had looked like it was an amazing exercise.
Maybe so, but I don't think any other exercise works as well to expand the rib cage and provide the same degree of stretch that pullovers do. I love doing them on the Nautilus.
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Maybe so, but I don't think any other exercise works as well to expand the rib cage and provide the same degree of stretch that pullovers do. I love doing them on the Nautilus.
Lol at expand the rib cage.
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I rather do endless curls on Vince’s biceps machine
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Lol at expand the rib cage.
Laugh all you want. You may be technically right, but bodybuilding is also about appearance and pullovers may make your chest appear to be larger (more expansive). It also is a great breathing exercise, which can improve lung capacity. Shoulder's down, chest out....improved posture.
Will pullovers expand your ribcage significantly?
Not necessarily, but it will train the muscles that expand and constrict the ribcage (intercostals, external intercostals, serratus anterior, SCM, scalenes, diaphragm, etc...) allowing you to potentially increase the volume of the ribcage to tolerate greater amounts of respiration.
Load here would also likely increase cartilage thickness and potentially the density of your ribs.
The Diaphragm makes up about 45% of your breathing ability (chest expansion ability), and I see a lot of people with dysfunction here on a regular basis.
Pull-overs will also stretch the abdominals, and can alter posture; If for instance, you have a kyphotic posture, may also alter the appearance of your rib-cage, simply by creating better looking, more up-right upper body posture.
(https://josephspine.com/wp-content/uploads/kyphosis.png?id=4814)
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Kai recommends doing them with a dumbbell at the beginning of your chest workout
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Laugh all you want. You may be technically right, but bodybuilding is also about appearance and pullovers may make your chest appear to be larger (more expansive). It also is a great breathing exercise, which can improve lung capacity. Shoulder's down, chest out....improved posture.
Will pullovers expand your ribcage significantly?
Not necessarily, but it will train the muscles that expand and constrict the ribcage (intercostals, external intercostals, serratus anterior, SCM, scalenes, diaphragm, etc...) allowing you to potentially increase the volume of the ribcage to tolerate greater amounts of respiration.
Load here would also likely increase cartilage thickness and potentially the density of your ribs.
The Diaphragm makes up about 45% of your breathing ability (chest expansion ability), and I see a lot of people with dysfunction here on a regular basis.
Pull-overs will also stretch the abdominals, and can alter posture; If for instance, you have a kyphotic posture, may also alter the appearance of your rib-cage, simply by creating better looking, more up-right upper body posture.
(https://josephspine.com/wp-content/uploads/kyphosis.png?id=4814)
Agree
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Use a dumbell the barbell puts way toonmuch torque on your shoulder. I have done pullovers since i was 15. I can do a 120lb dumbell for a good 4-6 reps now. You must go heavy, think of it like squats for the upper body. Few are up for the challenge but the rewards are immeasurable.
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Laugh all you want. You may be technically right, but bodybuilding is also about appearance and pullovers may make your chest appear to be larger (more expansive). It also is a great breathing exercise, which can improve lung capacity. Shoulder's down, chest out....improved posture.
Will pullovers expand your ribcage significantly?
Not necessarily, but it will train the muscles that expand and constrict the ribcage (intercostals, external intercostals, serratus anterior, SCM, scalenes, diaphragm, etc...) allowing you to potentially increase the volume of the ribcage to tolerate greater amounts of respiration.
Load here would also likely increase cartilage thickness and potentially the density of your ribs.
The Diaphragm makes up about 45% of your breathing ability (chest expansion ability), and I see a lot of people with dysfunction here on a regular basis.
Pull-overs will also stretch the abdominals, and can alter posture; If for instance, you have a kyphotic posture, may also alter the appearance of your rib-cage, simply by creating better looking, more up-right upper body posture.
(https://josephspine.com/wp-content/uploads/kyphosis.png?id=4814)
I am technically right, hence my statement.
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I love db pullovers for triceps. The long head of the triceps crosses the arm and attaches to the shoulder ... to fully activate it, somekind of "pullover" type motion is needed.
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I would like to use a Nautilus pullover machine but I don't have one. So I do stiff arm pulldowns standing in front of the lat machine. It's not as good but it's better than nothing. I use to pre-exhaust my lats and then do a rowing movement immediately after reaching failure.
It's okay.
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The Nautilus pullover is the best exercise machine I have ever used. Increases flexibility and provides perfect lat exercise.
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Laugh all you want. You may be technically right, but bodybuilding is also about appearance and pullovers may make your chest appear to be larger (more expansive). It also is a great breathing exercise, which can improve lung capacity. Shoulder's down, chest out....improved posture.
Will pullovers expand your ribcage significantly?
Not necessarily, but it will train the muscles that expand and constrict the ribcage (intercostals, external intercostals, serratus anterior, SCM, scalenes, diaphragm, etc...) allowing you to potentially increase the volume of the ribcage to tolerate greater amounts of respiration.
Load here would also likely increase cartilage thickness and potentially the density of your ribs.
The Diaphragm makes up about 45% of your breathing ability (chest expansion ability), and I see a lot of people with dysfunction here on a regular basis.
Pull-overs will also stretch the abdominals, and can alter posture; If for instance, you have a kyphotic posture, may also alter the appearance of your rib-cage, simply by creating better looking, more up-right upper body posture.
(https://josephspine.com/wp-content/uploads/kyphosis.png?id=4814)
Prime what exercise would I do to increase knee cartilage thickness?
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Kai recommends doing them with a dumbbell at the beginning of your chest workout
Using a dumbbell makes doing them much more stable because it is both easier to grip and provides easier balance.
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Use a dumbell the barbell puts way toonmuch torque on your shoulder. I have done pullovers since i was 15. I can do a 120lb dumbell for a good 4-6 reps now. You must go heavy, think of it like squats for the upper body. Few are up for the challenge but the rewards are immeasurable.
Interesting about going heavy. I thought I read somewhere that it is best to keep the resistance light. Of course using a Nautilus pullover machine it is easier and safer to go heavy.
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I am technically right, hence my statement.
Glad you cleared that up.
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Some dumbbell pullovers are done at the end of this workout:
Hunter Labrada Fouad Abiad John Meadows - BACK
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do them after heavy high rep squats ;D
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Prime what exercise would I do to increase knee cartilage thickness?
Walk however you can to an orthopedic surgeon. Just kidding. Actually, I don't know. Is this possible to do?
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Arnold 1:56
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The Nautilus pullover is the best exercise machine I have ever used. Increases flexibility and provides perfect lat exercise.
I'm not a believer in exotic machines, but that did look very impressive.
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do them after heavy high rep squats ;D
Lol. I remember reading articles and expecting my whole body would grow if I did the breathing squats
Lifting culture has gone quite old school, with full body routines gaining ground vs the single bodypart a day bro splits.
But we need dessicated liver tabs, rheo blair protein and fanny packs to come back.
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Lol. I remember reading articles and expecting my whole body would grow if I did the breathing squats
Lifting culture has gone quite old school, with full body routines gaining ground vs the single bodypart a day bro splits.
But we need dessicated liver tabs, rheo blair protein and fanny packs to come back.
Heavy, high rep breathing squats as espoused by J.C. Hise worked great for me.
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Heavy, high rep breathing squats as espoused by J.C. Hise worked great for me.
Me too.
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The Nautilus pullover is the best exercise machine I have ever used. Increases flexibility and provides perfect lat exercise.
This.
It was the first machine Arthur Jones developed and it took many years and prototypes to get it just right for the market. Cracks me up that so many people think Jones was a fraud and knew nothing about body mechanics.
The problem most people, me included, with trying to develop the lats is the grip and the biceps are a weak link. Compared to the much bigger muscles in the back these smaller muscle groups will fail first before you make deeper inroads into the back muscles. You're only as strong as your weakest link and the grip and biceps are the weak links in training back. The pullover puts the resistance example where it's supposed to be. On the upper arms, the elbows. The problem is that most people would pull on the bar in front rather than just drive back with your elbows. I would just not even bother putting my hands on the bar but just position my elbows on the pad to ensure the resistance is always where it should be. My gym doesn't have it and I have considered going to another gym that has this equipment as well as the hack squat which my gym also got rid of.
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Lol. I remember reading articles and expecting my whole body would grow if I did the breathing squats
Lifting culture has gone quite old school, with full body routines gaining ground vs the single bodypart a day bro splits.
But we need dessicated liver tabs, rheo blair protein and fanny packs to come back.
yes, I read it in a Milo/iron Mind booklet.
good stuff
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Interesting about going heavy. I thought I read somewhere that it is best to keep the resistance light. Of course using a Nautilus pullover machine it is easier and safer to go heavy.
Im telling you after 25 years of doing them they must be done heavy. Dont use loose form as your shoulders can get messed up easily. It takes a lot of experience to get the most out of them. They will challenge you believe that. Ohvand i put a pair of 80s on the floor to put my feet under. Its better to have someone syltand on your feet but thats not always feasible.
The nautilus pullover offers a better lat contraction at the expense of stretch and they just arent that challenging to me. Trust me-dig deep, really go for it. Work down to 4 reps, its worth it.
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well i have only a slight bend in my elbows when doing Barbell pullovers/medium grip. really do hit my lats well and triceps. prefer doing it than the pull over and press. I mean you can press more weight than you can pull over so the press portion is maybe short changed.
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Or you can do a few sets of pullups
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Have not done in a decade, yet strangly do not feel I've missed anything.
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Heavy, high rep breathing squats as espoused by J.C. Hise worked great for me.
for hise not so much. ;D
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for hise not so much. ;D
maybe he should have used the magic circle.
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I have actually been using the lying hamstring machine for pullovers.
Very interesting.Im usually very inventive with machines but never once thought about doing this.
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Very interesting.Im usually very inventive with machines but never once thought about doing this.
I might actually try this
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You need the right kind of machine that will allow that.
Very creative.
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I'm not a believer in exotic machines, but that did look very impressive.
I don't think most people think of Nautilus machines as being exotic. They've been around for a very long time. Arthur Jones created the Nautilus machine, then called the Blue Monster, in the late 1960s, with the purpose of developing a fitness machine that accommodates human movement. The company was bought by Schwinn in 1986.
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Im telling you after 25 years of doing them they must be done heavy. Dont use loose form as your shoulders can get messed up easily. It takes a lot of experience to get the most out of them. They will challenge you believe that. Ohvand i put a pair of 80s on the floor to put my feet under. Its better to have someone syltand on your feet but thats not always feasible.
The nautilus pullover offers a better lat contraction at the expense of stretch and they just arent that challenging to me. Trust me-dig deep, really go for it. Work down to 4 reps, its worth it.
If but I could do them with a barbell or even a dumbbell, I would. Because of osteoarthritis in both my hands my grip is shit and when the pain hits, I'm likely to drop whatever I'm holding. The only safe way for me to do pullovers at this stage of the game is to do them on a machine, regardless of the weight load.
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I don't think most people think of Nautilus machines as being exotic. They've been around for a very long time. Arthur Jones created the Nautilus machine, then called the Blue Monster, in the late 1960s, with the purpose of developing a fitness machine that accommodates human movement. The company was bought by Schwinn in 1986.
Golds in mountain view ca still has one. The same one dorian uses in blood and guts. Awesome machine sometimes but dumbell still vastly superior.
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Of course, but most gyms I have been to do not have the pullover machine.
And if there is a machine, you should know this: These machines, at least all I have ever seen, has one little fault; They all have long straight backrest, so the machine is effecting your muscle only. When you do it with DB hanging cross the bench, it is effecting also in your posture, it stretches your ribcage and give more mobility for your thoracic spine, which could be quite stiff for most of us..
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I rather do endless curls on Vince’s biceps machine
You and me both
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Anyone try the Hammer Strength pullover. I have the opportunity to buy one cheap but it's a huge monstrosity to have in my basement gym.
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I always dis heavy dumbell pullovers...........didn`t do much to expand my ribcage but a 100 pound dumbell held with fingers interlocked helped my lats in a big way.
Start off lightly cuz your triceps will get very sore until they get used to the pullovers........this could wreck your triceps training for days at a time trust me on that !!
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I always dis heavy dumbell pullovers...........didn`t do much to expand my ribcage but a 100 pound dumbell held with fingers interlocked helped my lats in a big way.
Start off lightly cuz your triceps will get very sore until they get used to the pullovers........this could wreck your triceps training for days at a time trust me on that !!
yes they really blast triceps.
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Anyone try the Hammer Strength pullover. I have the opportunity to buy one cheap but it's a huge monstrosity to have in my basement gym.
Can't see dedicating that much space to one specific exercise, unless it's squats or DLs or something.
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I always dis heavy dumbell pullovers...........didn`t do much to expand my ribcage but a 100 pound dumbell held with fingers interlocked helped my lats in a big way.
Start off lightly cuz your triceps will get very sore until they get used to the pullovers........this could wreck your triceps training for days at a time trust me on that !!
One of the gyms I go to has a tricep machine which can also be used to do pullovers. One of the neat things about it is that it is ISO lateral in that each side is worked independently. The other thing cool about it is that you arch your back while doing them because the foot platform moves with you.
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Very interesting.Im usually very inventive with machines but never once thought about doing this.
Most don't think of it because the roller is usually in contact with the lower legs. It's not just in touch with the legs but the shoes and whatever was on people's feet. If you do this in a well trafficked gym clean it first.
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Most don't think of it because the roller is usually in contact with the lower legs. It's not just in touch with the legs but the shoes and whatever was on people's feet. If you do this in a well trafficked gym clean it first.
I think I saw somebody using a lying leg curl to do pullovers the other day. I had no idea that was what they were doing.
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any of you guys do them if you have no machine? with a barbell. asking cause my gym has no pullover machine so i use a barbell. really feel my lats.
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One of the gyms I go to has a tricep machine which can also be used to do pullovers. One of the neat things about it is that it is ISO lateral in that each side is worked independently. The other thing cool about it is that you arch your back while doing them because the foot platform moves with you.
Yeah I`ve seen those machines Prime but never tested one out.........DB Pullover was always my go to movement.
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thanks wes
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:D
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:D
This could inexpensively and conveniently mimic a moon bench if you basically sit on your heels and have your ribcage less horizontal, more at 45 degree angle(fully inflated or larger Swiss ball helps to be more vertical), but people seem to exclusively mimic flat bench pullovers(with the added stabilization factor for both versions).
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I would like to use a Nautilus pullover machine but I don't have one. So I do stiff arm pulldowns standing in front of the lat machine. It's not as good but it's better than nothing. I use to pre-exhaust my lats and then do a rowing movement immediately after reaching failure.
It's okay.
I do the exact same thing. Well, sort of. I don't like keeping my arms stiff and I like to use the bar where it's kind of an upsidedown "V". Also, I'll also use the rope for variety. Then do an overhead pull-down movement. One of the few exercises where I can do a decent pre-exhaust superset since you use the same machine. Very hard to do pre-exhaust and supersets in gyms today since it's so crowded with the cell-phone dead weights that make up the majority of the gym floor nowadays.
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Actual machine is priceless
Best thing for the lats.
Never did get anything out of alternate versions.. using the pulleys, using a dumbbell, trying the hamstring curl machines...
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I used to only to them on a machine (Bodymasters or Hammer) but when the gyms shut down last year I started doing them with a dumbbell and now I like them both equally
I do it as the last exercise of my lat workout (I superset check and back) alternated with incline dumbbell flys or pec deck (I like the older version with the elbow pads)
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Pullovers are good for the lats and triceps.
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