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Title: I need help guys - joint and tendon issues
Post by: DanielPaul on March 13, 2020, 05:37:19 AM
I’ve been lifting 5 days a week for almost 25 years and I have an extremely active lifestyle, I have no plans of taking a break or time off because I truly believe I’d go insane.  That being said, I’m 40 y/o and am beginning to develop some joint and tendon issues in my right shoulder, the heel of my right foot and my hip.  These are nagging issues that developed over months so I’m not necessarily looking for a quick fix but more a recommendation of how I can treat them and prevent others.  Any advice welcomed , thanks.
Title: Re: I need help guys
Post by: Marty Champions on March 13, 2020, 05:48:53 AM
I’ve been lifting 5 days a week for almost 25 years and I have an extremely active lifestyle, I have no plans of taking a break or time off because I truly believe I’d go insane.  That being said, I’m 40 y/o and am beginning to develop some joint and tendon issues in my right shoulder, the heel of my right foot and my hip.  These are nagging issues that developed over months so I’m not necessarily looking for a quick fix but more a recommendation of how I can treat them and prevent others.  Any advice welcomed , thanks.
yeh eat more meat and moolk breh

U need more fats less carbs
Title: Re: I need help guys
Post by: harmankardon1 on March 13, 2020, 06:03:22 AM
Try some baby asprin or ibuprofen( low dose) pre workout on days that hurt the issues, do this for a month or two see if it settles things down.

And other common sense things eg avoid painful exercises...

Address any imbalances you may have that could be causing issues.
Title: Re: I need help guys
Post by: Purge_WTF on March 13, 2020, 06:16:40 AM
yeh eat more meat and moolk breh

U need more fats less carbs

 I agree with the second part. I've been doing the Atkins for about a year now and my joints, hair and skin are in good shape.

 I also started taking turmeric and that seems to help too.
Title: Re: I need help guys
Post by: Hulkotron on March 13, 2020, 06:22:34 AM
Eric P. Dollard
Title: Re: I need help guys
Post by: IroNat on March 13, 2020, 06:27:09 AM
Keep beating yourself up.  Don't rest.  Train through injuries.

Ailing shoulder?  No problem.  Train harder.  Ignore pain.

We have a few folks on this forum just like you.
Title: Re: I need help guys
Post by: Flexacon on March 13, 2020, 07:04:37 AM
Try add in 25g of hydrolysed collagen protein to your diet and some curcumin pills. That cleared up my heel and hip issues.
Title: Re: I need help guys
Post by: Grape Ape on March 13, 2020, 07:07:20 AM
There's tons of things to try - mobility / foam rolling / stretching / massage guns / CBD oil / healthy fat intake / collagen / ortho, etc.....

Need to do your own research and see what fits for you.
Title: Re: I need help guys
Post by: anvil on March 13, 2020, 07:08:02 AM
Why the fuck would you want to lift five days a week.  Get some other hobbies, make some money.  Do something actually worth a shit.

Title: Re: I need help guys
Post by: pamith on March 13, 2020, 07:09:08 AM
I’ve been lifting 5 days a week for almost 25 years and I have an extremely active lifestyle, I have no plans of taking a break or time off because I truly believe I’d go insane.  That being said, I’m 40 y/o and am beginning to develop some joint and tendon issues in my right shoulder, the heel of my right foot and my hip.  These are nagging issues that developed over months so I’m not necessarily looking for a quick fix but more a recommendation of how I can treat them and prevent others.  Any advice welcomed , thanks.
Just take 2 weeks off from working out
Title: Re: I need help guys
Post by: mphgrove on March 13, 2020, 07:15:41 AM
Eat oily fish (not fish pills out of bottle). This is pure lubrication.

Get a stretching routine from a good physical therapist (or chiropractor but no manipulations) that targets each of those specific areas and stick to it religiously.

Experiment with training a little lighter (in other words, go for the goal of still being able to train heavy 10 years from now rather than maxing out right now).

GUARANTEE these three things will improve your situation.

Maybe drop to 4 days per week with a little bit more rest (at 40) but use your instincts on that.
Title: Re: I need help guys
Post by: Dokey111 on March 13, 2020, 07:22:51 AM
don't worry it gets worse
Title: Re: I need help guys
Post by: That_Dude on March 13, 2020, 08:34:52 AM
yeh eat more meat and moolk breh

U need more fats less carbs

What about that heme iron Falconi?
Title: Re: I need help guys
Post by: DanielPaul on March 13, 2020, 08:45:32 AM
Eric P. Dollard
funny I have absolutely no idea who you are and you send me this name.  I have a small hobby building d/c motors and electro magnets lol.  Pretty interesting guy this Dollard
Title: Re: I need help guys - joint and tendon issues
Post by: tres_taco_combo on March 13, 2020, 04:24:24 PM
lots of professional massages
hot yoga
get a rehab massage gun
cold water plunges (best suggestion)
deca 100mg - 200mg weekly
loose weight



Title: Re: I need help guys - joint and tendon issues
Post by: Primemuscle on March 13, 2020, 04:38:10 PM
I’ve been lifting 5 days a week for almost 25 years and I have an extremely active lifestyle, I have no plans of taking a break or time off because I truly believe I’d go insane.  That being said, I’m 40 y/o and am beginning to develop some joint and tendon issues in my right shoulder, the heel of my right foot and my hip.  These are nagging issues that developed over months so I’m not necessarily looking for a quick fix but more a recommendation of how I can treat them and prevent others.  Any advice welcomed , thanks.

Joint issues may be a matter of inflammation, which can be quite serious. Rheumatoid arthritis is an inflammatory disease and it is degenerative. Most people who have arthritis, have osteoarthritis which is caused by injury or damage to one's joints. Arthritis can cause tendinitis.

The pain of tendinitis can be significant and worsens if damage progresses because of continued use of the joint. Most damage heals in about two to four weeks, but chronic tendinitis can take more than six weeks, often because the sufferer doesn't give the tendon time to heal.

For many people, the older we get the longer it takes to heal. Maybe it is time for you to take a vacation from working out. Trust me, you won't die or lose all your muscle if you do and when you're healed, you'll be ready to regain all that you lost and more.
Title: Re: I need help guys
Post by: 2ND COMING on March 13, 2020, 04:49:47 PM
Why the fuck would you want to lift five days a week.  Get some other hobbies, make some money.  Do something actually worth a shit.



Yeah ok faggotron.
Title: Re: I need help guys
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on March 14, 2020, 01:01:31 AM
Eric P. Dollard

X2
Title: Re: I need help guys - joint and tendon issues
Post by: Bevo on March 14, 2020, 01:10:32 AM
Use at least 3 grams of test a wk, that’s not including other compounds
Title: Re: I need help guys - joint and tendon issues
Post by: karasan on March 14, 2020, 05:32:13 AM
I fixed my biceps distal tendon pain with 100 reps everyday routine (thankful to tacotrescombo on that!!!)
Maybe high rep dumb.front raise and bentover laterals would do a similiar trick, no?
Title: Re: I need help guys - joint and tendon issues
Post by: che on March 14, 2020, 05:58:23 AM
I’ve been lifting 5 days a week for almost 25 years and I have an extremely active lifestyle, I have no plans of taking a break or time off because I truly believe I’d go insane.  That being said, I’m 40 y/o and am beginning to develop some joint and tendon issues in my right shoulder, the heel of my right foot and my hip.  These are nagging issues that developed over months so I’m not necessarily looking for a quick fix but more a recommendation of how I can treat them and prevent others.  Any advice welcomed , thanks.
Don't worry, that's completely normal , you should  watch videos of Ronnie Coleman and Branch Warren working out,  and just  keep lifting you fucking pussy .
Title: Re: I need help guys - joint and tendon issues
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on March 14, 2020, 06:05:44 AM
I’ve been lifting 5 days a week for almost 25 years and I have an extremely active lifestyle, I have no plans of taking a break or time off because I truly believe I’d go insane.  That being said, I’m 40 y/o and am beginning to develop some joint and tendon issues in my right shoulder, the heel of my right foot and my hip.  These are nagging issues that developed over months so I’m not necessarily looking for a quick fix but more a recommendation of how I can treat them and prevent others.  Any advice welcomed , thanks.

Resist the urge to have your body age. That will help speed up recovery.
Title: Re: I need help guys - joint and tendon issues
Post by: harmankardon1 on March 14, 2020, 06:36:46 AM
Joint issues may be a matter of inflammation, which can be quite serious. Rheumatoid arthritis is an inflammatory disease and it is degenerative. Most people who have arthritis, have osteoarthritis which is caused by injury or damage to one's joints. Arthritis can cause tendinitis.

The pain of tendinitis can be significant and worsens if damage progresses because of continued use of the joint. Most damage heals in about two to four weeks, but chronic tendinitis can take more than six weeks, often because the sufferer doesn't give the tendon time to heal.

For many people, the older we get the longer it takes to heal. Maybe it is time for you to take a vacation from working out. Trust me, you won't die or lose all your muscle if you do and when you're healed, you'll be ready to regain all that you lost and more.

This is why I mention adding in a low dose NSAID
Title: Re: I need help guys - joint and tendon issues
Post by: IroNat on March 14, 2020, 07:04:58 AM
This is why I mention adding in a low dose NSAID

Excellent idea to reduce inflamation.

But don't forget to train even more because you can't feel the pain.  You'll heal faster by causing more trauma.

Pay no atttention to the dosage recommendations.  Triple the dose to stimulate your liver.

No pain, no gain.
Title: Re: I need help guys - joint and tendon issues
Post by: Marty Champions on March 14, 2020, 08:56:38 AM
Im glad i got the word out about eric p falcon dollars
Title: Re: I need help guys
Post by: chaos on March 14, 2020, 09:03:28 AM
X2
Sneaking around, trying to avoid left hook/right uppercut combo?
Title: Re: I need help guys - joint and tendon issues
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 14, 2020, 09:53:57 AM
I’ve been lifting 5 days a week for almost 25 years and I have an extremely active lifestyle, I have no plans of taking a break or time off because I truly believe I’d go insane.  That being said, I’m 40 y/o and am beginning to develop some joint and tendon issues in my right shoulder, the heel of my right foot and my hip.  These are nagging issues that developed over months so I’m not necessarily looking for a quick fix but more a recommendation of how I can treat them and prevent others.  Any advice welcomed , thanks.

Seems all of your injuries are on the same side. All on the right side. That being said your entire kinetic chain on that side is affected. Chances are since your hip is giving you problems on that side, your QL is probably nagging you as well.

This might be where a good Chiropractor comes in. Have him/her check your gait, measure your hips (might be off)/leg length, etc.

If this is what it is (and it sounds like it is) a couple of adjustments might be in order.

Once your hips are in line, your gait will straighten out and within a few days to a week you’ll feel relief from your shoulder to your hips.
Title: Re: I need help guys - joint and tendon issues
Post by: deadz on March 14, 2020, 10:05:13 AM
I’ve been lifting 5 days a week for almost 25 years and I have an extremely active lifestyle, I have no plans of taking a break or time off because I truly believe I’d go insane.  That being said, I’m 40 y/o and am beginning to develop some joint and tendon issues in my right shoulder, the heel of my right foot and my hip.  These are nagging issues that developed over months so I’m not necessarily looking for a quick fix but more a recommendation of how I can treat them and prevent others.  Any advice welcomed , thanks.
All part of the game.
Title: Re: I need help guys - joint and tendon issues
Post by: Primemuscle on March 14, 2020, 02:32:33 PM
This is why I mention adding in a low dose NSAID

NSAID works for me. My preference is for Aleve.
Title: Re: I need help guys - joint and tendon issues
Post by: Griffith on March 14, 2020, 02:47:10 PM
NSAID works for me. My preference is for Aleve.

Most effective for me are the selective COX-2 inhibitors. They're designed to have less effect on the stomach, which involves COX-1.

Title: Re: I need help guys - joint and tendon issues
Post by: Moontrane on March 14, 2020, 02:49:19 PM
Joint issues may be a matter of inflammation, which can be quite serious. Rheumatoid arthritis is an inflammatory disease and it is degenerative. Most people who have arthritis, have osteoarthritis which is caused by injury or damage to one's joints. Arthritis can cause tendinitis.

The pain of tendinitis can be significant and worsens if damage progresses because of continued use of the joint. Most damage heals in about two to four weeks, but chronic tendinitis can take more than six weeks, often because the sufferer doesn't give the tendon time to heal.

For many people, the older we get the longer it takes to heal. Maybe it is time for you to take a vacation from working out. Trust me, you won't die or lose all your muscle if you do and when you're healed, you'll be ready to regain all that you lost and more.

I fixed my biceps distal tendon pain with 100 reps everyday routine (thankful to tacotrescombo on that!!!)
Maybe high rep dumb.front raise and bentover laterals would do a similiar trick, no?

I’ve had my share of soft-tissue injuries from exercising, but this was the worst.  One by one, I had
to drop exercises until all I could do for back were pullovers and extremely strict DB rows.  

I went through PT, which didn’t do much in the short-term, but I kept at the baby-weight (2.5-lb curls)
eccentric movements.  It took a year to fully resolve, so dude, take Prime’s advice and take a break
before you develop something chronic.  Time is on your side, so use it.
Title: Re: I need help guys
Post by: Rambone on March 14, 2020, 04:56:12 PM
Just take 2 weeks off from working out

In my experience, taking 2 weeks off is something you should not do if tendinitis is truly the issue. The break is nice and all from a mental standpoint, but I can’t tell you how many times lingering issues like tendinitis was there waiting for me to easily get irritated just like I never took that time off. I’d ice the painful areas, take no more than a couple days off, stretch, get some deep tissue work done and start doing rehab exercises combined with avoiding exercises that cause pain. Train smart and listen to your body.
Title: Re: I need help guys
Post by: POB on March 14, 2020, 08:39:06 PM
In my experience, taking 2 weeks off is something you should not do if tendinitis is truly the issue. The break is nice and all from a mental standpoint, but I can’t tell you how many times lingering issues like tendinitis was there waiting for me to easily get irritated just like I never took that time off. I’d ice the painful areas, take no more than a couple days off, stretch, get some deep tissue work done and start doing rehab exercises combined with avoiding exercises that cause pain. Train smart and listen to your body.
I agree with this 2 weeks isn’t enough time and it may feel worse. You could also do what a older guy at the gym did and add a little deca and dbol to his trt after not using them in over 20 years and he claims it went away happier than ever to it seems
Title: Re: I need help guys
Post by: Primemuscle on March 15, 2020, 12:13:13 AM
In my experience, taking 2 weeks off is something you should not do if tendinitis is truly the issue. The break is nice and all from a mental standpoint, but I can’t tell you how many times lingering issues like tendinitis was there waiting for me to easily get irritated just like I never took that time off. I’d ice the painful areas, take no more than a couple days off, stretch, get some deep tissue work done and start doing rehab exercises combined with avoiding exercises that cause pain. Train smart and listen to your body.

Doesn't this depend on how someone defines time off? If you put your back out and follow the doctor's directions for optimum bed rest as my wife once did, you could end up worse off then when it first went out. After several days in bed, she could barely move well enough for me to take her to a chiropractor, who made some adjustments and she walked out of his office with almost no pain. When I've put my back out, my doctor has recommended to me to take a long brisk walk to relax the muscles and tendons. Surprise, it really works.

In your case, a couple of days may not have been enough time for the tendinitis to be completely resolved, but just enough time for you to feel less pain and then do too much too soon. The wisest thing you said was to pay attention to how your body is responding (listen to your body). If you jump the gun because you think everything is fine, you should quickly be able to realize that you were wrong and give the healing process more time.   
Title: Re: I need help guys - joint and tendon issues
Post by: Notomorrow on March 15, 2020, 12:19:36 AM
It's called getting over 40 years old after training for 25 years. Hate to break it to you, but it gets worse. Not sure if you're natty, but Deca is known to be good for joints.
Title: Re: I need help guys
Post by: willl on March 15, 2020, 12:24:40 AM
Try add in 25g of hydrolysed collagen protein to your diet and some curcumin pills. That cleared up my heel and hip issues.

glad to see someone else knows about this...

every time i use this, my joint aches go away in 3 days

i guess the ultimate stack for joint repair enhancement ( normally it takes 4 months to regenerate tendon collagen type 100%):

- low dose pharm deca (25 to 50mg/wk is sufficient)
- collagen type 1 (doesn't matter if hydrolised or not, but the hydrolised version produces less stomach upsets and is easier to mix)
- flax seed oil
- msm
- glucosamine

if you have a hardcore problem: hyaluronic acid
Title: Re: I need help guys
Post by: Skeletor on March 15, 2020, 01:18:57 AM
glad to see someone else knows about this...

every time i use this, my joint aches go away in 3 days

i guess the ultimate stack for joint repair enhancement ( normally it takes 4 months to regenerate tendon collagen type 100%):

- low dose pharm deca (25 to 50mg/wk is sufficient)
- collagen type 1 (doesn't matter if hydrolised or not, but the hydrolised version produces less stomach upsets and is easier to mix)
- flax seed oil
- msm
- glucosamine

if you have a hardcore problem: hyaluronic acid


Good list. I would also say that magnesium glycinate and cissus quadrangularis help as well.
Title: Re: I need help guys - joint and tendon issues
Post by: harmankardon1 on March 15, 2020, 02:19:16 AM
Excellent idea to reduce inflamation.

But don't forget to train even more because you can't feel the pain.  You'll heal faster by causing more trauma.

Pay no atttention to the dosage recommendations.  Triple the dose to stimulate your liver.

No pain, no gain.

Tom prince style baby....  :D :D :D
Title: Re: I need help guys
Post by: harmankardon1 on March 15, 2020, 02:22:47 AM
I agree with this 2 weeks isn’t enough time and it may feel worse. You could also do what a older guy at the gym did and add a little deca and dbol to his trt after not using them in over 20 years and he claims it went away happier than ever to it seems

I had decent knee tendinitis for two years.... I tried a few prolonged breaks, didn't do shit.

In the end it was 100mgs asprin everyday for a few months and some walking/postural stretching changes that got my knees back to 100%
Title: Re: I need help guys - joint and tendon issues
Post by: oldtimer1 on March 15, 2020, 06:26:42 AM
Injuries are a part of athletics. Want to stay injury free? Don't work out. Rest and watch tv not moving. Take months off of lifting. Guys that have no issues train like pussies. I have been lifting and working out almost continuous for over 40 years. I have a lot of wear. Here are some real world things to mitigate problems. If your hip joint is truly shot nothing will fix it except an operation. I'm not a doctor or a physical therapist. Consult one. These things listed below helped me. It might aggravate your problems.

1. If an exercise hurts don't use it. Find a less painful substitute.
2. Do your research. Some standards in lifting are not good for the health of your joints like the bench press. Yes, many can do it for decades without a problem but it eventually it causes so much problems for many.
3. Find ways to do an exercises that won't cause impingement. An example is doing delt lateral raises with the thumb pointed toward the ceiling while slightly bent over. Front delt dumbbell raises according to my physical therapist should be done from forming a V with your arms instead of directly in front. So many modifications to lifting you can do. Many find benching with a swiss bar with hands facing alleviates pec and delt pain. Simply benching with dumbbells with hands facing each other gives relief to many. Some bench with a reverse grip is the magic pain reliever. (do this with spotting bars).
4. A course of anti inflammatory meds could help get the inflammation out.
5. Many problems lifters have with shoulder joints can be helped with light rotator cuff work and stretching. Many guys who have been pursuing that big single rep in the bench have horrific inflexible shoulders that leads to minor and major tears.
6. A cortisone shot can work wonders for many. Yes it can weaken connective tissue so that's a major concern. About ten years ago I had such a painful shoulder I couldn't raise my arm. One shot and a few days later I was lifting again and the pain didn't come back. Now I have almost the same situation in the other arm. This new doctor is anti cortisone. He said it's a last resort.
7. Your heel pain might be helped by gentle stretching. The best way I found for that is to walk on a treadmill and every lap increase the incline 1% every lap. It leads to a gentle and gradual stretching of the tendon in real use. See a good foot doctor. They really have some good solutions like shock wave therapy and the old standard cortisone. An MRI might show a tear that needs repair.  
8. Yes, rest is an answer for many injuries. It's a two edge sword. Many take off months when it really is an excuse to be lazy and fat.
Title: Re: I need help guys - joint and tendon issues
Post by: oldtimer1 on March 15, 2020, 06:36:14 AM
I fixed my biceps distal tendon pain with 100 reps everyday routine (thankful to tacotrescombo on that!!!)
Maybe high rep dumb.front raise and bentover laterals would do a similiar trick, no?

What was that labeled on a thread awhile back? Feeder sets?  I was curious and did them for a couple of days. I had the same experience. Minor distal tendon pain went away after the first time I did them. I think it's the flood of blood to the area. Naturally if someone has a tear doing the 100 reps would spell disaster.
Title: Re: I need help guys - joint and tendon issues
Post by: Primemuscle on March 15, 2020, 12:29:18 PM
Injuries are a part of athletics. Want to stay injury free? Don't work out. Rest and watch tv not moving. Take months off of lifting. Guys that have no issues train like pussies. I have been lifting and working out almost continuous for over 40 years. I have a lot of wear. Here are some real world things to mitigate problems. If your hip joint is truly shot nothing will fix it except an operation. I'm not a doctor or a physical therapist. Consult one. These things listed below helped me. It might aggravate your problems.

1. If an exercise hurts don't use it. Find a less painful substitute.
2. Do your research. Some standards in lifting are not good for the health of your joints like the bench press. Yes, many can do it for decades without a problem but it eventually it causes so much problems for many.
3. Find ways to do an exercises that won't cause impingement. An example is doing delt lateral raises with the thumb pointed toward the ceiling while slightly bent over. Front delt dumbbell raises according to my physical therapist should be done from forming a V with your arms instead of directly in front. So many modifications to lifting you can do. Many find benching with a swiss bar with hands facing alleviates pec and delt pain. Simply benching with dumbbells with hands facing each other gives relief to many. Some bench with a reverse grip is the magic pain reliever. (do this with spotting bars).
4. A course of anti inflammatory meds could help get the inflammation out.
5. Many problems lifters have with shoulder joints can be helped with light rotator cuff work and stretching. Many guys who have been pursuing that big single rep in the bench have horrific inflexible shoulders that leads to minor and major tears.
6. A cortisone shot can work wonders for many. Yes it can weaken connective tissue so that's a major concern. About ten years ago I had such a painful shoulder I couldn't raise my arm. One shot and a few days later I was lifting again and the pain didn't come back. Now I have almost the same situation in the other arm. This new doctor is anti cortisone. He said it's a last resort.
7. Your heel pain might be helped by gentle stretching. The best way I found for that is to walk on a treadmill and every lap increase the incline 1% every lap. It leads to a gentle and gradual stretching of the tendon in real use. See a good foot doctor. They really have some good solutions like shock wave therapy and the old standard cortisone. An MRI might show a tear that needs repair.  
8. Yes, rest is an answer for many injuries. It's a two edge sword. Many take off months when it really is an excuse to be lazy and fat.

I'd rather train like a pussy than be crippled.
Title: Re: I need help guys - joint and tendon issues
Post by: karasan on March 15, 2020, 12:33:28 PM
What was that labeled on a thread awhile back? Feeder sets?  I was curious and did them for a couple of days. I had the same experience. Minor distal tendon pain went away after the first time I did them. I think it's the flood of blood to the area. Naturally if someone has a tear doing the 100 reps would spell disaster.
Yes feeder sets, I gave up in a week, it was meant to give daily pump and size but it was therapeutic for me!
Title: Re: I need help guys - joint and tendon issues
Post by: IroNat on March 15, 2020, 12:35:08 PM
Tendonitis?

That just means you need to train harder.