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Its 2006...all this praying and going to church and bumper stickers isnt working dudes
The world is still screwed
Its time to try something else
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they'll pay for it in narn..umm hell...
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Its 2006...all this praying and going to church and bumper stickers isnt working dudes
The world is still screwed
Its time to try something else
That's exactly why a relationship with Christ and prayer is so important, BB.
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That's exactly why a relationship with Christ and prayer is so important, BB.
People have been having a "relationship with chirst" for 2,000 years and it hasn't made the world a better place. HUMANS and their discoveries and science has made the world a better place.
"Relationship with christ"? Talk about a one way relationship!
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People have been having a "relationship with chirst" for 2,000 years and it hasn't made the world a better place. HUMANS and their discoveries and science has made the world a better place.
"Relationship with christ"? Talk about a one way relationship!
*Sigh*
A relationship with Christ is a two-way street, Johnny.
And while science may make our lives easier it has also provided the means for our own destruction.
Science does not teach us compassion and self-sacrifice for others.
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*Sigh*
A relationship with Christ is a two-way street, Johnny.
And while science may make our lives easier it has also provided the means for our own destruction.
Science does not teach us compassion and self-sacrifice for others.
Neither does religion(Or a reliationship with an imaginary dead jew). ::)
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Neither does religion(Or a reliationship with an imaginary dead jew). ::)
God help us all for you truly are a rock with lips. :P
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God help us all for you truly are a rock with lips. :P
For the 50th time, Calling me made up names doesn't make you any less wrong.
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For the 50th time, Calling me made up names doesn't make you any less wrong.
What names? Names like Atheist Boi, Nazi-Bot, or Captain Nazi? You've made your lack of faith clear for all to see along with your views of white supremacy. Seems all those names fit you like a glove, Mr. Simpson.
Which of my statements is wrong? That a relationship with Jesus is a two-way street, Christianity teaches morality and compassion (while science does not), or that the road to self-enlightenment as a Christian is through service to others?
When it's all said and done you're just another angry atheist telling me how I should interpret my faith in God. You may have read the Bible, Johnny, but you really don't seem to grasp it's meaning. Stella and Collosus make that obvious time and time again.
So go ahead with your durka durka jihad against Christianity. It may take you some time but you'll eventually have to realize you will not destroy the faith of anyone here.
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"The cause of and solution to, all of lifes problems " homer s
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"The cause of and solution to, all of lifes problems " homer s
(http://www.whisky-online.com/acatalog/blend-jw-blue-box-194.jpg)
LMAO
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everyone is welcome to join me for thursday nite mass at cornerstone bar n grill in college park maryland..
i'll be the drunk paki by the pool tables upstairs.
hell just ask for J and they'll take ya to me..
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Why do people still worship a 'higher power'
Answer - The fear of nothingness after death
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Actually, among other things, I gained a wonderful sense of peace when I came to Christ. I still have it.
If there really was "nothingness after death," why would there be anything to fear? ???
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Actually, among other things, I gained a wonderful sense of peace when I came to Christ. I still have it.
If there really was "nothingness after death," why would there be anything to fear? ???
I envy your sense of peace STella but unfortunately I can not find a faith/religion that I believe in .
I fear the thought of "nothingness after death" as I enjoy life so much .
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If there really was "nothingness after death," why would there be anything to fear? ???
pain mostly
i know its gonna be a car wreck.........and i know its gonna hurt like a mofo!
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Actually, among other things, I gained a wonderful sense of peace when I came to Christ. I still have it.
If there really was "nothingness after death," why would there be anything to fear? ???
ditto on that
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pain mostly
i know its gonna be a car wreck.........and i know its gonna hurt like a mofo!
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coincidence?
LMFAO....Probably be hit by some woman talking on her cell while driving.
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Actually, among other things, I gained a wonderful sense of peace when I came to Christ. I still have it.
If there really was "nothingness after death," why would there be anything to fear? ???
The Serotonin System and Spiritual Experiences.
Borg, Jacqueline et tal. "The Serotonin System and Spiritual Experiences." American Journal of Psychiatry 160:11 (2003): 1965-1968.
Your "Peacefulness" explained.
If there was nothing after death why would there be fear? We fear the end of our consciousness. All of the pleasures we get from this life would end. All experience would end. Nothing would be left but everlasting dreamless sleep. The concept has frightened people all throughout time. They like to imagine they live forever even after they die.
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They like to imagine they live forever even after they die.
No, they like to imagine they have a sense of worth after this life which only comes through eternal life with our creator.....even if it's subconcious. We were created to be loved. The only way to know true and unconditional love is through our Creator. If I thought my life was meaningless I would fear death too.
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No, they like to imagine they have a sense of worth after this life which only comes through eternal life with our creator.....even if it's subconcious. We were created to be loved. The only way to know true and unconditional love is through our Creator. If I thought my life was meaningless I would fear death too.
"True love" "Unconditional love"..Bla,Bla,Bla.
Here's your "Unconditinal love".
(http://westbynorthwest.org/summerlate00/paulkail.famine.jpg)
Jesus loves the little children...All the children of the world... ::)
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Unfortunatly there is good vs. evil. That is sin my friend. That is the price of choice, the ultimate showing of true love.
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Unfortunatly there is good vs. evil. That is sin my friend. That is the price of choice, the ultimate showing of true love.
1.You're "Limiting God". You're insinuating an omnipotent God can't completly get rid of starvation. Whatever the cause may be. "Omnipotent" means "all powerful" as in it can do ANYTHING including get rid of hunger even if sin exists or not. That argument doesn't work.
2.You're saying this little boy "sinned",And that's why he's starving? And please don't fucking post something stupid like "We all sin" because that'd make absolutely no sense. If we all sin and that's the result of sin then why aren't we all starving to death?
Why that little boy and not YOU? Explain.
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The Serotonin System and Spiritual Experiences.
If there was nothing after death why would there be fear? We fear the end of our consciousness. All of the pleasures we get from this life would end. All experience would end. Nothing would be left but everlasting dreamless sleep. The concept has frightened people all throughout time. They like to imagine they live forever even after they die.
This makes absolutely no sense to me.
If I truly believed that there was nothing after death, I would not fear the end of my consciousness....how would I know once I was "gone?" That's ridiculous to me. If all pleasures, experience and suffering would end, so what? What is frightening about that?
Nothing.
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This makes absolutely no sense to me.
If I truly believed that there was nothing after death, I would not fear the end of my consciousness....how would I know once I was "gone?" That's ridiculous to me. If all pleasures, experience and suffering would end, so what? What is frightening about that?
Nothing.
You may or may not find "end of everything" frightening. Maybe you do and are just arguing it to support your initial claim. Really doesn't matter.
Plenty of people do indeed find the end of consciousness frightening.
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You may or may not find "end of everything" frightening. Maybe you do and are just arguing it to support your initial claim. Really doesn't matter.
Plenty of people do indeed find the end of consciousness frightening.
No, I would not find it frightening in the least. If I did, I would say I did.
If we don't exist after death, wouldn't it be much like it was for us before we were ever born? I can't think of anything frightening about that.
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No, I would not find it frightening in the least. If I did, I would say I did.
If we don't exist after death, wouldn't it be much like it was for us before we were ever born? I can't think of anything frightening about that.
Before we were born we had no conception of anything and didn't even exist. Now that we are alive we have conception of reality and don't want to loose it. If we die that's the end of everything in life we enjoy.
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Before we were born we had no conception of anything and didn't even exist. Now that we are alive we have conception of reality and don't want to loose it. If we die that's the end of everything in life we enjoy.
But don't you see that if someone truly believed that it "would all end" when these bodies die that there would be no regret, no conciousness to realize anything when "it was all over?"
It just wouldn't matter.
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But don't you see that if someone truly believed that it "would all end" when these bodies die that there would be no regret, no conciousness to realize anything when "it was all over?"
It just wouldn't matter.
It wouldn't matter when we're dead, But it matters when we're alive because we do have a conception of the end of everything when we die.
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Its 2006...all this praying and going to church and bumper stickers isnt working dudes
The world is still screwed
Its time to try something else
I agree. It's time to take matter onto your own hands and stop depending on a tooth fairy.
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People have been having a "relationship with chirst" for 2,000 years and it hasn't made the world a better place. HUMANS and their discoveries and science has made the world a better place.
Sorry Johnny, But you really are an idiot who lives in a protective box called science. And this is aside from all the nazi-bot stuff. Aren't you supposed to be smart? Or maybe you are just book smart with the common sense of discarded soap dish.
Whether GOD or Christ is "Valid" or "Invalid", their (or his and other religion's) influence has greatly affected our world for the better. It's through their techings of forgiveness, proper moral behavior, and love, that barely keeps our society from unraveling into chaos and the destruction of our infrastructure. Look at what can happen when people don't think there are consquences to their behavior like the days after Iraq fell to U.S. forces. You see in most this world, i don't have to worry about some band of warriors coming into my village and killing every male including children and selling the women into slavery. I know becuase of the belief in "god" moral codes of government where created outlawing such behavior.
You want to know what keeps the average BLACK man from killing your racist hateful lilly white ass? Because he believes he'll go to hell. And if anything you should thankful for that.
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Sorry Johnny, But you really are an idiot who lives in a protective box called science.
Whether GOD or Christ is "Valid" or "Invalid", their (or his and other religion's) influence has greatly affected our world for the better. It's through their techings of forgiveness, proper moral behavior, and love, that barely keeps our society from unraveling into chaos and the destruction of our infrastructure.
I disagree. I think what is morally correct is self evident. I know it's wrong to murder, steal, assult, fuck your wife, etc.. because I wouldn't want it done to myself. If you need a god to tell you this, what does that really say about yourself? That's one thing an atheist gets stereotyped as - one with no morals, which is incorrect.
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I disagree. I think what is morally correct is self evident. I know it's wrong to murder, steal, assult, f**k your wife, etc.. because I wouldn't want it done to myself. If you need a god to tell you this, what does that really say about yourself? That's one thing an atheist gets stereotyped as - one with no morals, which is incorrect.
That is absolutely NOT what i'm talking about. Perhaps athiests get steroetyped that way. For the most part, of the atheist i'v known, they have tended to follow the general concept of living you just talked about. However, people in masses or as a whole, NEED to believe in a higher power who will punish them if they screw up to keep them in line so to speak. It's people as a group I'm talking about. Our society has not evolved to the point where we (people in general) won't kill or steal etc... from each other for the sole reason it's not productive and they wouildn't want to have it done to them. And i'm not insinuating their isn't any killing and stealing going on now, but that there would be lots more of it without religion. Religion prevents this escalation not science as the above mentioned flag waving science finatic might want you to believe. I for one, don't need GOD to keep me from doing bad things, I follow your view on it and still believe in GOD.
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I disagree. I think what is morally correct is self evident. I know it's wrong to murder, steal, assult, f**k your wife, etc.. because I wouldn't want it done to myself. If you need a god to tell you this, what does that really say about yourself? That's one thing an atheist gets stereotyped as - one with no morals, which is incorrect.
I think everyone inherantly knows it's wrong to do the things you mentioned and the difference is when a person does those things does he or she feel a conviction for what they have done? I know as a Christian when I do things that would not please God I feel a deep conviction for my actions. I don't think people who don't have that relationship with Christ has that conviction or if the do they quickly blow it off and it's forgotton. We all have to pay a consequense for our immoral actions.
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Whether GOD or Christ is "Valid" or "Invalid", their (or his and other religion's) influence has greatly affected our world for the better. It's through their techings of forgiveness, proper moral behavior, and love, that barely keeps our society from unraveling into chaos and the destruction of our infrastructure. Look at what can happen when people don't think there are consquences to their behavior like the days after Iraq fell to U.S. forces. You see in most this world, i don't have to worry about some band of warriors coming into my village and killing every male including children and selling the women into slavery. I know becuase of the belief in "god" moral codes of government where created outlawing such behavior.
This is ABSOLUTELY false. Moral knowledge is bred into humans(and other animals) via evolution. Evolutionary forces produce something called "empathy". In a population where the individuals don't care for one another, The population won't last very long. Empathy is a benefit to life on earth and helps it survive.
Religion has absolutely no benefit to morality. People don't refraim from doing bad things because they fear punishment! That's the stupidest thing i've ever heard!
If Religion is the reason why it's believers refraim from commiting evil then I FEAR what would happen when their religious beleifs are proven to be false!
Your claims are completly absurd. Belief in God doesn't make people Moral. I am an atheist and i'm probaly more moral than most religious people in the world! I'd never kill my family because some "God" tells me to. If a "God" told me to kill my family i'd commit myself to a mental institution!
People's moral conduct is based on their genetics as well as their upbringing in society.
In reality Religious belief correlate to higher crime rates in civilizations.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1798944,00.html
You want to know what keeps the average BLACK man from killing your racist hateful lilly white ass? Because he believes he'll go to hell. And if anything you should thankful for that.
What keeps the average sane person from killing ANYONE is the fact they have empathy for human life and would not be able to kill someone else unless they absolutely had no other choice. This has nothing to do with belief in a "God".
With your logic..Me..Being an Atheist who doesn't believe in any Gods should be going out on killing sprees!
In reality I spend alot of time helping charities and doing construction work for the homeless.
::)
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You see in most this world, i don't have to worry about some band of warriors coming into my village and killing every male including children and selling the women into slavery. I know becuase of the belief in "god" moral codes of government where created outlawing such behavior.
Because of religious divides, exactly what you describe is going on in Darfur.
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That is absolutely NOT what i'm talking about. Perhaps athiests get steroetyped that way. For the most part, of the atheist i'v known, they have tended to follow the general concept of living you just talked about. However, people in masses or as a whole, NEED to believe in a higher power who will punish them if they screw up to keep them in line so to speak. It's people as a group I'm talking about. Our society has not evolved to the point where we (people in general) won't kill or steal etc... from each other for the sole reason it's not productive and they wouildn't want to have it done to them. And i'm not insinuating their isn't any killing and stealing going on now, but that there would be lots more of it without religion. Religion prevents this escalation not science as the above mentioned flag waving science finatic might want you to believe. I for one, don't need GOD to keep me from doing bad things, I follow your view on it and still believe in GOD.
Your reasoning is completly flawed.
If your reasoning is correct then religious people should have a lower crime rate than non-religious people---This isn't the case!
If your reasoning is correct then countries which are mostly non-religious should have much higher crime rates----This isn't the case!
Non-Religious people on average commit less crimes than religious people. On average non-religious people are more intelligent. On average religious people(being less intelligent) will commit more immoral acts due to their lack of intelligence.
According to the Federal Bureau of Prisons Catholics make up 31.432% Protestant make up 28.097% (that's over 59% who are christian) and those who have no religious preference or aren't sure of their religious preference only make up 19.908% of the inmate population in America!
59% Christians..
19% unknown/no religion
Seems like you haven't done your research.
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I think everyone inherantly knows it's wrong to do the things you mentioned and the difference is when a person does those things does he or she feel a conviction for what they have done? I know as a Christian when I do things that would not please God I feel a deep conviction for my actions. I don't think people who don't have that relationship with Christ has that conviction or if the do they quickly blow it off and it's forgotton. We all have to pay a consequense for our immoral actions.
I feel bad for doing bad things and i'm an atheist.
I feel bad because I have "empathy" not because of any imaginary being in the sky.
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If Religion is the reason why it's believers refraim from commiting evil then I FEAR what would happen when their religious beleifs are proven to be false!
So do I. Why do you think you there is so much resistance to the advance of science by the religious right?
Your claims are completly absurd. Belief in God doesn't make people Moral. I am an atheist and i'm probaly more moral than most religious people in the world! I'd never kill my family because some "God" tells me to
Again, you got it mixed up like freakgeek. I'm talking about people in general, not people individually. You're are mixing up the behavior of groups of people withy your behavior which isn't suprising coming from a nazi-bot. And you calling yourself moral is a fuckning joke, Mr. Final Solution. Why don't you save that BS for your skin head mutants.
In reality I spend alot of time helping charities and doing construction work for the homeless.
Really? for Black, Latinos, and JEWS also?
Johnny what you are speaks so loudly i can't hear what you are saying.
With your logic..Me..Being an Atheist who doesn't believe in any Gods should be going out on killing sprees!
Supports the above mentioned point about people compared to the individual.
What keeps the average sane person from killing ANYONE is the fact they have empathy for human life and would not be able to kill someone else unless they absolutely had no other choice. This has nothing to do with belief in a "God"
A percantage of average people based on the proffessed racist activities of others would have no problem ridding the world of that kind of scum if they thought they got a "get out of hell free card." Beleive it. This society, especially in America is spun so tight they are ready to break at any moment.
If your reasoning is correct then religious people should have a lower crime rate than non-religious people---This isn't the case!
If your reasoning is correct then countries which are mostly non-religious should have much higher crime rates----This isn't the case!
I'm not talking about now compared to zero crime rates. I'm talking about now compared to 2000 years ago.
So we're you:
People have been having a "relationship with chirst" for 2,000 years and it hasn't made the world a better place. HUMANS and their discoveries and science has made the world a better place.
Me original assertion was:
Whether GOD or Christ is "Valid" or "Invalid", their (or his and other religion's) influence has greatly affected our world for the better.
You are not at all impressive intellectually.
Johnny are you really smart? Or are you just good at spitting out numbers and facts and using them as a foundation for your arrogance?
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I feel bad for doing bad things and i'm an atheist.
I feel bad because I have "empathy" not because of any imaginary being in the sky.
Like I said.....if atheists do feel conviction (or feel bad :-\) they blow it off quickly. Do you feel conviction (or feel bad :-\) because you are racist??
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"a·the·ist
n.
One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods."
Why is there a religious term for someone that thinks religion is bogus?
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Like I said.....if atheists do feel conviction (or feel bad :-\) they blow it off quickly. Do you feel conviction (or feel bad :-\) because you are racist??
Answer the question, Nazi-Bot. >:(
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So do I. Why do you think you there is so much resistance to the advance of science by the religious right?
Because they want to hold onto their beliefs. They are afraid of progress.
Again, you got it mixed up like freakgeek. I'm talking about people in general, not people individually. You're are mixing up the behavior of groups of people withy your behavior which isn't suprising coming from a nazi-bot. And you calling yourself moral is a fuckning joke, Mr. Final Solution. Why don't you save that BS for your skin head mutants.
Really? for Black, Latinos, and JEWS also?
Resorting to personal insults...Grasping at straws.
I've shown in my prior post that populations who are more religious are generally more violent. So yes..Populations apply.
Yes I help Blacks and jews too. I'm not a Nazi. ::)
A percantage of average people based on the proffessed racist activities of others would have no problem ridding the world of that kind of scum if they thought they got a "get out of hell free card." Beleive it. This society, especially in America is spun so tight they are ready to break at any moment.
I'm not talking about now compared to zero crime rates. I'm talking about now compared to 2000 years ago.
So we're you:
Me original assertion was:
You are not at all impressive intellectually.
Johnny are you really smart? Or are you just good at spitting out numbers and facts and using them as a foundation for your arrogance?
You're making no sense.
I said that people have been worshiping jesus for 2,000 years and that hasn't made the world a better place but science HAS.
Your claims was that
Whether GOD or Christ is "Valid" or "Invalid", their (or his and other religion's) influence has greatly affected our world for the better.
You're saying it doesn't matter if a God exists but belief in God influenced society for the better.
I've proven this false already and you didn't address it.
Societies who are more religious are on average more violent.
59% of the prison population in America are Christian.
You've failed to provide any evidence supporting your bogus claim.
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Like I said.....if atheists do feel conviction (or feel bad :-\) they blow it off quickly. Do you feel conviction (or feel bad :-\) because you are racist??
1.Blow it off quickly? That makes no sense.
2.I'm not a Racist.
Religious nuts aren't more moral...Atheists are.
According to the Federal Bureau of Prisons Catholics make up 31.432% Protestant make up 28.097% (that's over 59% who are christian) and those who have no religious preference or aren't sure of their religious preference only make up 19.908% of the inmate population in America!
59% Christians..
19% unknown/no religion
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"a·the·ist
n.
One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods."
Why is there a religious term for someone that thinks religion is bogus?
Not sure what you mean. There has to be a term for someone who doesn't believe in a God or else what would we call them? "Atheist" is alot simpler than "Those who do not believe in any gods".
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Johnny
I agree with the general bases of some of your religion arguments, but your prison data doesn't make sense to me. 80% of the US adult population classify themselves as Christians. If only 59% of the prison population do the same, wouldn't that mean the Christians are less prone to prison?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States
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However, people in masses or as a whole, NEED to believe in a higher power who will punish them if they screw up to keep them in line so to speak. It's people as a group I'm talking about. Our society has not evolved to the point where we (people in general) won't kill or steal etc... from each other for the sole reason it's not productive and they wouildn't want to have it done to them.
This may be true in some cultures, but I still disagree regarding ours (US). I think for the most part, people are generally good and won't commit egregious crimes by their own conscience (regradless of what religion they practice or don't). And after this, I believe it's laws that keep people in line. It's the thought of doing time, paying fines, or the result of public scorn that's more significant to the average person than some god. I mean, try running a country without law enforcement and you'll quickly realize this.
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Johnny
I agree with the general bases of some of your religion arguments, but your prison data doesn't make sense to me. 80% of the US adult population classify themselves as Christians. If only 59% of the prison population do the same, wouldn't that mean the Christians are less prone to prison?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States
No. If 80% of Americans classify themselves as Christians and 59% of prison inmates are religious that doesn't mean religious people are less likely to go to prison. You have to look at the inmate population as a whole. If 59% of the inmate population is Christian that means that a MAJORITY of criminals are christians, Thus refuting the idea that christianity has any positive effect on morality. Below 10% of the American population is in Prison so that's why we see the difference of 80% Americans being christian and only 59% in Prison being christian. You don't compair the population on the outside to that on the inside. You take the population on the inside as a whole and compaire it to itself to see what percent of Criminals are christians.
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This may be true in some cultures, but I still disagree regarding ours (US). I think for the most part, people are generally good and won't commit egregious crimes by their own conscience (regradless of what religion they practice or don't). And after this, I believe it's laws that keep people in line. It's the thought of doing time, paying fines, or the result of public scorn that's more significant to the average person than some god. I mean, try running a country without law enforcement and you'll quickly realize this.
It depends on the crime. Murder for instance. People don't refraim from killing people because it's illegal. They don't do it because they don't want to. If they WANTED to do it they would(and do). I wouldn't kill anyone even if it was legal to kill. I don't follow the law I follow my own moral beliefs. If the law says that marijuana is illegal..I don't care about it. If the law says slavery is legal..I don't care about it.(Of course i'll do what I can to avoid being caught,not that I smoke marijuana to begin with..But if I wanted to I would!)
The law has a track record for being imperfect which is why it's always changing and improving.
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This may be true in some cultures, but I still disagree regarding ours (US). I think for the most part, people are generally good and won't commit egregious crimes by their own conscience (regradless of what religion they practice or don't). And after this, I believe it's laws that keep people in line. It's the thought of doing time, paying fines, or the result of public scorn that's more significant to the average person than some god. I mean, try running a country without law enforcement and you'll quickly realize this.
I agree with you for the most part, It's when no one is looking, which is most of the time, and the idea that one's conscience is influenced by religion, is when regious upbringing plays a role in their decision.
Because they want to hold onto their beliefs. They are afraid of progress.
Agreed, however there is more to it than that as beliefs and progress aren't the real reasons.
Resorting to personal insults...Grasping at straws.
Identifying not grasping.
I said that people have been worshiping jesus for 2,000 years and that hasn't made the world a better place but science HAS
I've proven this false already and you didn't address it.
Societies who are more religious are on average more violent.
59% of the prison population in America are Christian.
You've failed to provide any evidence supporting your bogus claim
Again we are back to the same thing. Jesus's message of tolerence(which is something that you might not understand), forgiveness and love has influnced society for the better. (when compared to pre-Jesus times)
In a minute i might have to draw a picture for you.
And yes science has helped make the world a better place BUT it hasn't exactly helped make people better people. It hasn't help make them more forgiving, more tolerent and more loving
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No. If 80% of Americans classify themselves as Christians and 59% of prison inmates are religious that doesn't mean religious people are less likely to go to prison. You have to look at the inmate population as a whole. If 59% of the inmate population is Christian that means that a MAJORITY of criminals are christians, Thus refuting the idea that christianity has any positive effect on morality. Below 10% of the American population is in Prison so that's why we see the difference of 80% Americans being christian and only 59% in Prison being christian. You don't compair the population on the outside to that on the inside. You take the population on the inside as a whole and compaire it to itself to see what percent of Criminals are christians.
I disagree. It's from the American adult population that the prison popultion is constructed, so if that input stream is disproportionately less in makeup for one classification, I would say that classification is less likely.
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The argument could be made, though, that Christians may be less likely to be prosecuted and convicted due to socioeconomic and/or racial factors, which throws our simplified data a big curve.
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I disagree. It's from the American adult population that the prison popultion is constructed, so if that input stream is disproportionately less in makeup for one classification, I would say that classification is less likely.
The input stream itself is extremly small compaired to the population.
If ALL americans went to prison then your 80%/59% would be true.
But only a small minority of about 4% or so of Americans are currently in Prison. While a whopping 59% of them are Christians.
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The argument could be made, though, that Christians may be less likely to be prosecuted and convicted due to socioeconomic and/or racial factors, which throws our simplified data a big curve.
It's true that parrol officers do smile upon religious fundamentalism.
Supposedly a guy who worships an imaginary being in the sky is better able to function in society than somoene who doesn't... ::)
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4% is still 12 million. That's a big enough sample size....
Again though, I would say we are debating simplified numbers. I'm sure the true variables have filled more than a doctoral dissertation or two.
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4% is still 12 million. That's a big enough sample size....
Again though, I would say we are debating simplified numbers. I'm sure the true variables have filled more than a doctoral dissertation or two.
Right. so the sample size is 12 million in and of itself. You don't copaire it from where the sample came from or else your numbers will get mixed.
In short all you have to remember is this "The majority of criminals are Christians."
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Right. so the sample size is 12 million in and of itself. You don't copaire it from where the sample came from or else your numbers will get mixed.
In short all you have to remember is this "The majority of criminals are Christians."
Still don't agree. If you assume that any randomly-selected adult from the US population has an equal propensity of going to prison, then so long as you draw enough samples (12 million certainly is enough), then you would expect your prison population demographics to be identitical. But, at 80% versus 59%, it is not, therefore based on this simple argument, Christians have less propensity.
Agian, though, I do beleive there are other mitigating factors outside of declared religion that determine a population's likelihood for imprisionment.