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Interesting point.... discuss
Epidemiologist: Coronavirus could be 'exterminated' if lockdowns lifted. 'What people are trying to do is flatten the curve. I don't really know why'
The unprecedented policy of mass quarantine to "flatten the curve" is only prolonging the coronavirus pandemic, contends a veteran scholar of epidemiology. The virus could be "exterminated" within weeks if people were allowed to lead normal lives and the vulnerable were sheltered until the virus passes, said Knut Wittkowski, Ph.D., the former head of the Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology and Research Design at the Rockefeller University in New York City.
https://www.wnd.com/2020/04/epidemiologist-coronavirus-exterminated-lockdowns-lifted
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Only lift the quarantine when all small businesses collapse and Amazon fills the gap.
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I'm sick of this coronavirus lockdown shit, can only go to work and shopping, literally 95% are over 80 years old and already have underlying health issues, so because of them everyone else has to suffer, how about they quarantine for 2 weeks and let us all get covid
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Interesting point.... discuss
Epidemiologist: Coronavirus could be 'exterminated' if lockdowns lifted. 'What people are trying to do is flatten the curve. I don't really know why'
The unprecedented policy of mass quarantine to "flatten the curve" is only prolonging the coronavirus pandemic, contends a veteran scholar of epidemiology. The virus could be "exterminated" within weeks if people were allowed to lead normal lives and the vulnerable were sheltered until the virus passes, said Knut Wittkowski, Ph.D., the former head of the Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology and Research Design at the Rockefeller University in New York City.
https://www.wnd.com/2020/04/epidemiologist-coronavirus-exterminated-lockdowns-lifted
I was thinking about this very same thing today as I was at the store, wearing a mask and protective gloves. How will we build up a resistance to COVID-19 if our exposure is greatly limited. Won't this virus just keep revisiting us. When its season returns, possibly in a year, will the world's economy shut down again? Like it or not the survivors will survive because it is the process of natural selection. The weak succumb and and the strong survive to pass on resistance to it.
As we learn more about the natural antivirus some people develop who have contracted COVID-19 became ill and survived or those who already had a resistance and got it without symptoms, we may see how the pandemic was more of a panic reaction than anything else.
I am among those who are considered more vulnerable to having a severe if not deadly reaction to COVID-19, so I don't think I am being cavalier when I suggest that it could be best in the long run to just let the virus take it's course in hopes that we come up with an antivirus for future outbreaks.
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Who cares? Poor Little Ronnie is only 5’6”!😢
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I was thinking about this very same thing today as I was at the store, wearing a mask and protective gloves. How will we build up a resistance to COVID-19 if our exposure is greatly limited. Won't this virus just keep revisiting us. When its season returns, possibly in a year, will the world's economy shut down again? Like it or not the survivors will survive because it is the process of natural selection. The weak succumb and and the strong survive to pass on resistance to it.
As we learn more about the natural antivirus some people develop who have contracted COVID-19 became ill and survived or those who already had a resistance and got it without symptoms, we may see how the pandemic was more of a panic reaction than anything else.
I am among those who are considered more vulnerable to having a severe if not deadly reaction to COVID-19, so I don't think I am being cavalier when I suggest that it could be best in the long run to just let the virus take it's course in hopes that we come up with an antivirus for future outbreaks.
I went into the grocery store yesterday and immediately felt conspicuous as one of the 3 people out of maybe 100(early morning) without a mask. The masked people were a one out six minority in the same store just one week earlier. I've yet to wear a mask and feel great, so far :P.
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If COVID19 is one of those diseases that’s around for good, and you’re alive and walking the earth, you will eventually get it, like the regular cold or flu. This lockdown is prolonging the inevitable.
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Wittkoeski is gangsta:
“Wittkowski was asked his opinion of Dr. Anthony Fauci, the key medical expert on the White House coronavirus task force who has promoted the mass quarantine strategy.
‘Well, I'm not paid by the government, so I'm entitled to actually do science,’ he replied.”
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Wittkoeski is gangsta:
“Wittkowski was asked his opinion of Dr. Anthony Fauci, the key medical expert on the White House coronavirus task force who has promoted the mass quarantine strategy.
‘Well, I'm not paid by the government, so I'm entitled to actually do science,’ he replied.”
It’s starting to Morph into an income inequality story.
Apparently, Chinese nationals traveled 7k miles to the US so they could visit the worst neighborhoods where they would be most likely to get robbed and killed:
Looks like we’re gonna have to move the goalposts again to explain this one.
What a fucking scam:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/07/coronavirus-is-infecting-killing-black-americans-an-alarmingly-high-rate-post-analysis-shows/
A Post analysis of available data and census demographics shows that counties that are majority-black have three times the rate of infections and almost six times the rate of deaths as counties where white residents are in the majority.
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I'm sick of this coronavirus lockdown shit, can only go to work and shopping, literally 95% are over 80 years old and already have underlying health issues, so because of them everyone else has to suffer, how about they quarantine for 2 weeks and let us all get covid
Lucky you, I'm not allowed to walk in the street outside my property.
Not really a lockdown if people are still going to work and commuting as usual.
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Is this non original hebrew drunk? Enterminated?
Anyway this Knut Wittkowski guy is surprisingly very poorly informed for a scientist. He is talking about herd immunity already existing in Asian countries because cases of covid19 aren't increasing. Cases aren't increasing because of social distancing measures and testing in those countries.
Dr John Ioannidis is the most reasonable voice I've heard in all this. Regardless of what you think about the virus. "It's just flu" or "it a cover up to print money" or "it's a 21st century plague" or "the ensuing depression will be worse than the virus" he breaks it done and it explain all sides of the arguments.
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Is this non original hebrew drunk? Enterminated?
Anyway this Knut Wittkowski guy is surprisingly very poorly informed for a scientist. He is talking about herd immunity already existing in Asian countries because cases of covid19 aren't increasing. Cases aren't increasing because of social distancing measures and testing in those countries.
Dr John Ioannidis is the most reasonable voice I've heard in all this. Regardless of what you think about the virus. "It's just flu" or "it a cover up to print money" or "it's a 21st century plague" or "the ensuing depression will be worse than the virus" he breaks it done and it explain all sides of the arguments.
I wasn’t gonna sit there and watch that guy go on for an hour but I did watch a little bit and the first thing he said was that there were major gaps in the data.
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I wasn’t gonna sit there and watch that guy go on for an hour but I did watch a little bit and the first thing he said was that there were major gaps in the data.
Watch the whole video. In the long term it will actually save you hours of your time as it will help you identify what's fake news, what's news with an agenda and just generally what nonsense to ignore.
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Watch the whole video. In the long term it will actually save you hours of your time as it will help you identify what's fake news, what's news with an agenda and just generally what nonsense to ignore.
I’m familiar with Far Rockaway. It’s the Dindu section of Rockaway Beach. It’s a very isolated area yet has way higher infection rate than the much more densely populated upper Eastside of Manhattan that has gyms everywhere in addition to boutique fitness centers on every block as well as yoga studios, CrossFit, martial arts, bars, restaurants etc.
Does the Professor explain this?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8178159/New-York-City-map-reveals-poorer-neighborhoods-higher-rates-coronavirus.html
The difference is starkly highlighted in Rockaway, Queens, where 436 people have tested positive among the community that lives in public housing in Far Rockaway but at the far end of the island, residents in their $1million Belle Harbor homes only have 143 cases.
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As a said it’s morphing into an income inequality issue.
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Those Chinese from Wuhan must really love hanging out in the ‘hood, or could there be something else going on😉
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/07/us/coronavirus-race.html
On Tuesday, President Trump acknowledged the growing signs of disparity, and said that federal authorities were working to provide statistics over the next two or three days that might help examine the issue. “Why is it that the African-American community is so much, numerous times more than everybody else?” he said at a daily briefing on the coronavirus
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I’m familiar with Far Rockaway. It’s the Dindu section of Rockaway Beach. It’s a very isolated area yet has way higher infection rate than the much more densely populated upper Eastside of Manhattan that has gyms everywhere in addition to boutique fitness centers on every block as well as yoga studios, CrossFit, martial arts, bars, restaurants etc.
Does the Professor explain this?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8178159/New-York-City-map-reveals-poorer-neighborhoods-higher-rates-coronavirus.html
The difference is starkly highlighted in Rockaway, Queens, where 436 people have tested positive among the community that lives in public housing in Far Rockaway but at the far end of the island, residents in their $1million Belle Harbor homes only have 143 cases.
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As a said it’s morphing into an income inequality issue.
He thinks the number of healthy people who are infected, but who wouldn't even think they had the virus or wouldn't bother to get tested is a much higher figure than what's generally believed.
I would guess it's infected roughly the same numbers in the city regardless of neighbourhoods. The increase in tested cases in certain neighbourhoods is probably related to drug use. Smoking/inhaling all those toxic drugs like crack cocaine and all those are impurities will fuck up your lungs like a mofo. That would mean more people with moderate/severe symptoms so more people wanting to get tested, hence more cases.
Also the dailymail is a garbage newspaper when it comes to anything science or analytical related.
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Interesting point.... discuss
Epidemiologist: Coronavirus could be 'exterminated' if lockdowns lifted. 'What people are trying to do is flatten the curve. I don't really know why'
The unprecedented policy of mass quarantine to "flatten the curve" is only prolonging the coronavirus pandemic, contends a veteran scholar of epidemiology. The virus could be "exterminated" within weeks if people were allowed to lead normal lives and the vulnerable were sheltered until the virus passes, said Knut Wittkowski, Ph.D., the former head of the Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology and Research Design at the Rockefeller University in New York City.
https://www.wnd.com/2020/04/epidemiologist-coronavirus-exterminated-lockdowns-lifted
Sweden, which broke international trends and didn't implement a lockdown in its bid to slow the coronavirus, has so far avoided a mass outbreak.
The country moved to protect the most vulnerable while doing little to slow the virus through the rest of the population as most workplaces, restaurants, and bars were still open.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/sweden-refused-implement-coronavirus-lockdown-121642208.html
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Posted this three days ago. A lot of guys very much behind the actual data on here hence why some are still overly concerned about this.
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Posted this three days ago. A lot of guys very much behind the actual data on here hence why some are still overly concerned about this.
Every day they have to come up with a new excuse for why a model has failed or why blacks are getting hit at a much higher rate than whites. When you’re always having to move the goalpost it’s because the story is shit.
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Every day they have to come up with a new excuse for why a model has failed or why blacks are getting hit at a much higher rate than whites. When you’re always having to move the goalpost it’s because the story is shit.
The imperial model was originally giving a worst case scenario for death figures based on the data they had at the time.
But how can anyone say a model failed if the parameters change and the figures from the model change with it? The model is most likely flawed, but saying it's failed just makes you look dense.
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When are we going to become Italy? Still waiting for the overloaded ICUs and people being pulled off ventilators to die. Couple more weeks?
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I've been saying this for weeks. From now on don't listen to the media or doctors, ask me first. 8)
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Interesting point.... discuss
Epidemiologist: Coronavirus could be 'exterminated' if lockdowns lifted. 'What people are trying to do is flatten the curve. I don't really know why'
The unprecedented policy of mass quarantine to "flatten the curve" is only prolonging the coronavirus pandemic, contends a veteran scholar of epidemiology. The virus could be "exterminated" within weeks if people were allowed to lead normal lives and the vulnerable were sheltered until the virus passes, said Knut Wittkowski, Ph.D., the former head of the Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology and Research Design at the Rockefeller University in New York City.
https://www.wnd.com/2020/04/epidemiologist-coronavirus-exterminated-lockdowns-lifted
Not sure if serious.
We have a virus for which there is no functioning vaccine and the pharmacological interventions available are experimental at best without any viable cocktail to effectively treat and/or contain the virus.
Herd immunity would work, if we had a vaccine. Short of that, by sending out Americans (country ranking #12 in highest obesity rates) to conduct business as usual, we take an insurmountable risk. Remember that risk factors include heart disease, pulmonary disease, renal disease, Diabetes, Obesity, an immunocompromised state and advanced age (to name a few). If you look at the actual demographics of professional bodybuilding, the foundation by which this and other bodybuilding websites sit on would be pulled out from underneath given that 98% of professional bodybuilders walk the earth in an obese state with heart disease (high blood pressure/high cholesterol) and likely compromised renal capacity given their propensity to use NSAIDs. If you wanted to thin out the IFBB herd, this idea might be the ticket needed to get new faces on the Olympia stage.
Unfortunately, it's a little too risky to take such an ambitious risk, given that this virus has proven to be astronomically deadly in those with the aforementioned risk factors. What we do know is that children and the young (teenagers etc) are relatively spared, as are adults (<55yrs of age) with no major risk factors. Spared in the sense that while they do get the coronavirus and experience terrible flu-like symptoms with the additional shortness of breath, most recover without developing the full cascade of pneumonia > Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome > Septic shock > Systemic inflammatory response syndrome > Multiple System organ failure.
I think that given a little more time (how much time exactly, I don't know), true infectious disease experts like ID medical doctors (not just an epidemiologist that only studies stats and figures) & the pharmaceutical companies (chemists/scientists) developing new treatments, will hopefully find a viable pharmacological cocktail and/or vaccine, via a lot of empirical treatment + trial and error, that will help us in properly treating this pathogen.
Remember, the conservative percentage of survival vs death we have heard on the news suggest that 98.5% survive the virus, but that 1.5% suffer fatality. If it is true that this virus will likely affect all Americans, are we as a country truly ready to take the risk of having all 331,002,651 Americans infected, knowing that there is a high chance that 4,965,039 of them will die? Are we potentially ready for that death toll? I am not too sure. Most of us would be fine, but a select group would die.
Whereby, the other option is to continue with social distancing, allow those that are sick (but not dying) to slowly recover, develop antibodies to the disease and hopefully no longer be contagious AND then slowly reopen the flood gates to business as usual in society. By doing this, although a slow and incredibly frustrating process, we have a better chance at reducing the overall number of deaths.
Just my $0.02,
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These lockdowns were never intended to stop the virus, merely stop it from infecting everyone at the same time. The benefit of that should be obvious.
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https://news.trust.org/item/20200408103237-l2epf
Fatties gonna fat.
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Once everybody dies the corona threat will be over.
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If you look at it from the standpoint of crime families it all makes sense, not to the people here who are too far gone, but to those still salvageable.
First, you have the financial establishment family. They benefit from this by getting first dibs on the money being printed by central banks all around the world which is conveniently happening at the same time as a massive stock market shake out.
Next, you have the political crime family. They benefit from the fiscal stimulus which allows them to dole out money to their favorite groups and of course get kickbacks in return.
Finally, you have the medical establishment crime family. I’m hearing now that restarting the economy is going to depend on testing. Lotta fucking money to be made by testing the entire planet don’t ya think?
Covid-19 Testing Is Key to Restarting Economy as U.S. Cases Top 400,000 - Barron's
https://www.barrons.com/articles/covid-19-testing-is-key-to-restarting-economy-as-u-s-cases-top-400-000-51586350044
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When you’re always having to move the goalpost it’s because the story is shit.
This comes from a guy who thinks people with pre-conditions shouldn't be counted on the death statistics.
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This comes from a guy who thinks people with pre-conditions shouldn't be counted on the death statistics.
They should be listed with an asterisk. Blaming Covid19 for the death of someone with advanced diabetes or pulmonary disease is a stretch at best. An underdosed insulin injection can kill a diabetic. We should blame syringes then, right?
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They should be listed with an asterisk. Blaming Covid19 for the death of someone with advanced diabetes or pulmonary disease is a stretch at best. An underdosed insulin injection can kill a diabetic. We should blame syringes then, right?
You guys are cherry picking articles and statistics, whatever fits your narrative. ::)
It's dishonest at best, and bat shit crazy in some cases.
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They should be listed with an asterisk. Blaming Covid19 for the death of someone with advanced diabetes or pulmonary disease is a stretch at best. An underdosed insulin injection can kill a diabetic. We should blame syringes then, right?
Forget that idiot. He’s a lost cause and deserves to be welded into his house as was the case in China. Reminds me of the nervous Nellies I see every day walking around Manhattan. At least they have an excuse that they’re women.
At first, I bought into it like everybody else but when I started to see the responses which were so irrational considering the scope of the problem, I started to smell a rat and eventually I figured out what this is really about, an economic reset and global currency devaluation:
I know how this plays out. To justify these interventions, they’re going to have to artificially bump up the victim numbers to the point where somebody gets hit by a truck and turns out to have a positive corona test is said to have died of corona.
The Way the U.S. is Counting Wuhan Coronavirus Deaths Seems Problematic
Townhall ^ | 04/08/2020 | Katie Pavlich
Posted on 4/8/2020, 10:00:23 AM by SeekAndFind
During the White House Wuhan coronavirus task force briefing Tuesday evening, Dr. Deborah Birx said the United States has taken a "liberal approach" in the way doctors classify deaths from the virus.
"The intent is right now if someone dies with COVID-19, we're counting that as a COVID-19 death," Birx said. "There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition and let's say the virus caused you to go the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem. Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death."
Dr. Birx confirms ALL DEATHS of people infected with coronavirus -- regardless of underlying conditions -- are classified as COVID-19 deaths
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You guys are cherry picking articles and statistics, whatever fits your narrative. ::)
It's dishonest at best, and bat shit crazy in some cases.
What's my narrative Einstein? That the CV death rate is running at far less than the death rate predictions? Let me know when this is over how right i am, lol
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They should be listed with an asterisk. Blaming Covid19 for the death of someone with advanced diabetes or pulmonary disease is a stretch at best. An underdosed insulin injection can kill a diabetic. We should blame syringes then, right?
People die from Clovid-19. People die with Clovid-19. It ain't the same thing. Now even close.
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People die from Clovid-19. People die with Clovid-19. It ain't the same thing. Now even close.
Yep. The scam is in overdrive. My daughter in law is an ICU nurse here in South Carolina and she just got laid off for a few weeks because the hospital is half empty. Yep, this pandemic is a doozy, lol
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Yep. The scam is in overdrive. My daughter in law is an ICU nurse here in South Carolina and she just got laid off for a few weeks because the hospital is half empty. Yep, this pandemic is a doozy, lol
The scam is in the testing. The numbers in New York City didn’t start growing until mass testing. You don’t need a test to tell you that hospitals are being overwhelmed with people showing up with a mystery illness. This never happened in December, January, and February when there are no restrictions in place in the city.
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The guy is right
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I'm pretty sure we've had it in our house - symptoms from v. bad (close to emergency admission) to minor (dry coughing)
I'll be glad when I can get a test to confirm this so we can get back to normal
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What's my narrative Einstein? That the CV death rate is running at far less than the death rate predictions? Let me know when this is over how right i am, lol
You just claimed deaths with a pre-condition should be put with an asterisk.
What's next? Deaths by heart attack shouldn't count if the person suffered of blood pressure? Idiot.
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You just claimed deaths with a pre-condition should be put with an asterisk.
What's next? Deaths by heart attack shouldn't count if the person suffered of blood pressure? Idiot.
Those same people would have died had they caught the flue or something else.
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Those same people would have died had they caught the flue or something else.
If my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike.
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If my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike.
We know for a fact who is the most vulnerable to this. elderly + obese + people with diabetes. Those are the most at risk.
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I was thinking about this very same thing today as I was at the store, wearing a mask and protective gloves. How will we build up a resistance to COVID-19 if our exposure is greatly limited. Won't this virus just keep revisiting us. When its season returns, possibly in a year, will the world's economy shut down again? Like it or not the survivors will survive because it is the process of natural selection. The weak succumb and and the strong survive to pass on resistance to it.
As we learn more about the natural antivirus some people develop who have contracted COVID-19 became ill and survived or those who already had a resistance and got it without symptoms, we may see how the pandemic was more of a panic reaction than anything else.
I am among those who are considered more vulnerable to having a severe if not deadly reaction to COVID-19, so I don't think I am being cavalier when I suggest that it could be best in the long run to just let the virus take it's course in hopes that we come up with an antivirus for future outbreaks.
Blah, blah, blah...
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Forget that idiot. He’s a lost cause and deserves to be welded into his house as was the case in China. Reminds me of the nervous Nellies I see every day walking around Manhattan. At least they have an excuse that they’re women.
Attack the argument, not the poster. Or at least attack the argument and the poster. If you can't, let the adults talk.
The fear mongering wasn't me. Did you also imagine that? ??? lol
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I went into the grocery store yesterday and immediately felt conspicuous as one of the 3 people out of maybe 100(early morning) without a mask. The masked people were a one out six minority in the same store just one week earlier. I've yet to wear a mask and feel great, so far :P.
There are fun alternatives to the usual mask. I saw several yesterday when I went to the store. Lots of folks were wearing bandannas like masked cowboys who are about to rob the local bank.
(https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/wild-west-bank-robbery-picture-id149424377?k=6&m=149424377&s=612x612&w=0&h=LnLXGmll8KTWezg0pM22IP9dLCqq8gL3Tn81u_wrW5A=)
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getbig is the only place where a guy who specializes in backyard bottle rockets would question an aerospace engineer. i'm just saying.
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We know for a fact who is the most vulnerable to this. elderly + obese + people with diabetes. Those are the most at risk.
You just described 50%+ of the US population.
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getbig is the only place where a guy who specializes in backyard bottle rockets would question an aerospace engineer. i'm just saying.
The doom and gloom "models" touted by all these people simply is not coming to fruition. By their own predictions - cuomo - deblasio - fauci, birx, all of them, nothing is happening remotely as bad they scared you into believing it would.
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You just described 50%+ of the US population.
Survival of the Fittest - being fat and diabetic and obese - nature taking out the trash.
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"You cannot stop the spread of a respiratory disease within a family, and you cannot stop it from spreading with neighbors, with people who are delivering, who are physicians — anybody," he said.
"People are social, and even in times of social distancing, they have contacts; and any of those contacts could spread the disease," said Wittkowski.
"It will go slowly, and so it will not build up herd immunity, but it will happen. And it will go on forever unless we let it go," he said.
Wittkowski was asked his opinion of Dr. Anthony Fauci, the key medical expert on the White House coronavirus task force who has promoted the mass quarantine strategy.
"Well, I'm not paid by the government, so I'm entitled to actually do science," he replied.
Why is this virus being handled differently than others, such as the swine flu in 2009?
One factor, he said, is the growth of the internet, which spreads news quickly, whether true or false, fueling panic.
He makes some great points especially regarding the internet.
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Why is this virus being handled differently than others, such as the swine flu in 2009?
He makes some great points especially regarding the internet.
The real estate and stock market crash in 2008 already provided a pretext for fiscal stimulus and QE infinity. There was no need for a health scare pretext in 2009.
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People die from Clovid-19. People die with Clovid-19. It ain't the same thing. Now even close.
What's the difference between CLOVID-19 and COVID-19?
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What's the difference between CLOVID-19 and COVID-19?
Repost pics of that Mexican beach gym :)
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What's the difference between CLOVID-19 and COVID-19?
Maybe he meant, Clomvipdhene 50mg Tablets. A fertility medication that causes a virus. ;D
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Lockdown minimum 4 weeks more.
Deaths will hit 4000 a day peak minimum. That's with lockdown.
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These lockdowns were never intended to stop the virus, merely stop it from infecting everyone at the same time. The benefit of that should be obvious.
You would think.
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People die from Clovid-19. People die with Clovid-19. It ain't the same thing. Now even close.
GDMN RIGHT! The political spin over this shit is unprecedented. Yes - it’s fckn terrible but I think many compassionate liberals are praying to Mother Earth - or whatever Wicca witch they exalt - for massive deaths from C19. I swear to fckn Christus these cuhnts would say - if a dude with Covid get into a head on collision with a semi - he died from Covid.
Your simple statement sums everything up. Dying WITH does not = Dying FROM
It’s almost like they would like a higher Covid death toll.🤔