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Title: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: illuminati on April 11, 2020, 12:51:11 AM
I just checked the U.K. government OFfice For National Statistics!!!
Does the US have a similar Department & website?

If you look at the U.K. one it shows some Eye Opening Statistics
Well worth a look.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending20march2020

Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: nzgs on April 11, 2020, 01:03:24 AM
I was looking over that data yesterday, it seems very likely that all that is happening is all-cause mortalities are being mis-attributed to covid-19. We already know doctors are being pressured to do this and that the test for covid-19 doesn't work. I'll leave it to conspiracy theorists to work out what the motive would be for manufacturing a crisis.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Flexacon on April 11, 2020, 01:31:12 AM
Struggling to see what possible revelation you've made with this data..
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: JAGO on April 11, 2020, 01:35:02 AM
Communist countries are notorious for not releasing information to the “outside” world. If anyone who thinks that a communist country who’s GDP is 90+% dependent on export is accurately releasing information- they are mistaken.

Picture the impact on the supplement industry - Con1 and Blackstone get all their raws from China. GOOD FUCKEN LUCK.

J
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Kwon on April 11, 2020, 01:46:32 AM
I just checked the U.K. government OFfice For National Statistics!!!
Does the US have a similar Department & website?

If you look at the U.K. one it shows some Eye Opening Statistics
Well worth a look.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending20march2020




Yes, we are not getting 100 % accurate information.


Of course they are covering up a lot.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Methyl m1ke on April 11, 2020, 01:57:23 AM
I want to go to the gym.

Now.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 11, 2020, 02:26:02 AM
Of course. It’s a smokescreen

Here’s your real story:



China's debt tops 300% of GDP, now 15% of global total: IIF | Article [AMP] | Reuters


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-economy-debt-idUSKCN1UD0KD


It’s probably way worse than what’s being reported.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Kwon on April 11, 2020, 02:32:57 AM
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Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Mayday on April 11, 2020, 02:37:42 AM
I posted the UK data and Italy deaths data last week. I have the US data also.

It isn't so easy as to say it's all BS. Italy didn't do restrictions until very late and their data shows a lot of increased deaths. The UK, US had restrictions and the increase in deaths is extremely low.

So to say the US and UK had barely any increase so it's all false, the answer is to go look at Italy.......

Having said that, i do not agree.with the lockdowns and.the media hyped this with misleading information and scare tactics which is what drove panic buying and overloaded hospitals.

Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 11, 2020, 02:50:55 AM
I posted the UK data and Italy deaths data last week. I have the US data also.

It isn't so easy as to say it's all BS. Italy didn't do restrictions until very late and their data shows a lot of increased deaths. The UK, US had restrictions and the increase in deaths is extremely low.

So to say the US and UK had barely any increase so it's all false, the answer is to go look at Italy.......

Having said that, i do not agree.with the lockdowns and.the media hyped this with misleading information and scare tactics which is what drove panic buying and overloaded hospitals.



New York City, the epicenter, had no restrictions until the middle of March. Schools didn’t close until March 15. The St. Patrick’s  day parade, on March 17, wasn’t canceled until a few days before. I ran in a 5000 runner race in Manhattan on March 1. In the middle of February, the Mayor and Health Commissioner were encouraging people to go to a parade in Chinatown.


Doesn’t seem like social distancing to me:🤔


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Award-winning pop star makes a triumphant return to the Big Apple with hits galore
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ON MARCH 06, 2020, 4:05PM

As 19,000 rapturous fans waited for the Canadian superstar to take the stage, the DJ offered pop and disco hits—mostly about not being able to stop—be it dancing or loving
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Mayday on April 11, 2020, 03:07:58 AM
New York City, the epicenter, we had no restrictions until the middle of March. Schools didn’t close until March 15. The St. Patrick’s  day parade, on March 17, wasn’t canceled until a few days before. I ran in a 5000 runner race in Manhattan on March 1. In the middle of February, the Mayor and Health Commissioner were encouraging people to go to a parade in Chinatown.

Thanks for that info.

The US data is constantly.being revised as more information is recieved. That's why i haven't posted the numbers yet because people here will go into meltdown.

Eg the first week of March is roughly -15% below trend. That same week on the previous report was -30%. So with each passing week as they validate incoming data they revise the total number up.

The UK only saw an upward break of trend in the last week of March which was a tiny one of +1k.  So it's fair to say the US might be the same but we might be waiting another 4-6 weeks for that week of data to be close.to complete.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: joswift on April 11, 2020, 03:11:47 AM
I just checked the U.K. government OFfice For National Statistics!!!
Does the US have a similar Department & website?

If you look at the U.K. one it shows some Eye Opening Statistics
Well worth a look.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending20march2020




Medical practitioners are required to certify causes of death “to the best of their knowledge and belief”. Without diagnostic proof, if appropriate and to avoid delay, medical practitioners can circle ‘2’ in the MCCD (“information from post-mortem may be available later”) or tick Box B on the reverse of the MCCD for ante-mortem investigations. For example, if before death the patient had symptoms typical of COVID- 19 infection, but the test result has not been received, it would be satisfactory to give ‘COVID-19’ as the cause of death, tick Box B and then share the test result when itbecomes available. In the circumstances of there being no swab, it is satisfactory to apply clinical judgement.

So they can report Covid 19 as cause of death based on their opinion, the test its required as evidence..
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/877302/guidance-for-doctors-completing-medical-certificates-of-cause-of-death-covid-19.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0wBa-CDjFWxjnPJsCD4HlZfpTpfaNYneRcq4Q8pBVt46lYNB8SfqsC8ug
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 11, 2020, 03:17:18 AM

Medical practitioners are required to certify causes of death “to the best of their knowledge and belief”. Without diagnostic proof, if appropriate and to avoid delay, medical practitioners can circle ‘2’ in the MCCD (“information from post-mortem may be available later”) or tick Box B on the reverse of the MCCD for ante-mortem investigations. For example, if before death the patient had symptoms typical of COVID- 19 infection, but the test result has not been received, it would be satisfactory to give ‘COVID-19’ as the cause of death, tick Box B and then share the test result when itbecomes available. In the circumstances of there being no swab, it is satisfactory to apply clinical judgement.

So they can report Covid 19 as cause of death based on their opinion, the test its required as evidence..
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/877302/guidance-for-doctors-completing-medical-certificates-of-cause-of-death-covid-19.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0wBa-CDjFWxjnPJsCD4HlZfpTpfaNYneRcq4Q8pBVt46lYNB8SfqsC8ug

Essentially anything and everything is being done to inflate the numbers:


The Way the U.S. is Counting Wuhan Coronavirus Deaths Seems Problematic
Townhall ^ | 04/08/2020 | Katie Pavlich
Posted on 4/8/2020, 10:00:23 AM by SeekAndFind

During the White House Wuhan coronavirus task force briefing Tuesday evening, Dr. Deborah Birx said the United States has taken a "liberal approach" in the way doctors classify deaths from the virus.
Dr. Birx confirms ALL DEATHS of people infected with coronavirus -- regardless of underlying conditions -- are classified as COVID-19 deaths


Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: njflex on April 11, 2020, 04:18:46 AM
This isn’t related entirely but in feb my 3 kids were sick ,2 bad bedridden for few days 1 tested positive flu one didn’t I think it was type b strain other daughter tested positive but she only had mild if any symptoms sniffles and mild temp jump .all 3 get vaccines every year.
2 of the kids stayed over that weekend by me I’m divorced and I was ok until mid week following week I got bad cold 2 days of which I felt like I was beaten top to bottom I even worked stupidly but I too otc theraflu got better quick,2 weeks later my hearing right ear is gone. Totally go to ent dr he puts me on anti viral and prednisone so I’m month or so in and still have only little hearing ,I hear ringing and audio sounds ,I was told it could be months for some or better improvement wise.if I had waited I would have lost it permantley
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 11, 2020, 05:07:38 AM
Thanks for that info.

The US data is constantly.being revised as more information is recieved. That's why i haven't posted the numbers yet because people here will go into meltdown.

Eg the first week of March is roughly -15% below trend. That same week on the previous report was -30%. So with each passing week as they validate incoming data they revise the total number up.

The UK only saw an upward break of trend in the last week of March which was a tiny one of +1k.  So it's fair to say the US might be the same but we might be waiting another 4-6 weeks for that week of data to be close.to complete.

There’s always going to be some room for interpretation about what the data really means but looking at those stats it’s hard to come to the conclusion that there’s been a virus that has been ravaging the population. In the absence of all the hype and hysteria, those numbers would look perfectly normal.

I believe it’s time to accept that at least most of what we’ve been told is bullshit. Now they’re saying that it was Europeans who infected New Yorkers. I know where European tourists and business people work and stay. They don’t go anywhere near the places that were hardest hit. In fact, the places where Europeans do stay, Midtown and the Upper East and West Side of Manhattan have some of the lowest infection rates.

The hard hit areas are all black and Hispanic shit holes that already had horrible health outcomes.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: IroNat on April 11, 2020, 05:54:34 AM
Yes, of course China is under-reporting their numbers.

They are doing this as a matter of national security in order to not show weakness.

Totalitarian regimes are notoriously paranoid.

Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: IroNat on April 11, 2020, 05:57:32 AM
Of course. It’s a smokescreen

Here’s your real story:



China's debt tops 300% of GDP, now 15% of global total: IIF | Article [AMP] | Reuters


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-economy-debt-idUSKCN1UD0KD


It’s probably way worse than what’s being reported.

One day the bubble will pop.

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Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Flexacon on April 11, 2020, 05:58:50 AM
This isn’t related entirely but in feb my 3 kids were sick ,2 bad bedridden for few days 1 tested positive flu one didn’t I think it was type b strain other daughter tested positive but she only had mild if any symptoms sniffles and mild temp jump .all 3 get vaccines every year.
2 of the kids stayed over that weekend by me I’m divorced and I was ok until mid week following week I got bad cold 2 days of which I felt like I was beaten top to bottom I even worked stupidly but I too otc theraflu got better quick,2 weeks later my hearing right ear is gone. Totally go to ent dr he puts me on anti viral and prednisone so I’m month or so in and still have only little hearing ,I hear ringing and audio sounds ,I was told it could be months for some or better improvement wise.if I had waited I would have lost it permantley

Why do you get your kids vaccinated for flu? Are they immunocompromised?
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: njflex on April 11, 2020, 06:00:23 AM
Why do you get your kids vaccinated for flu? Are they immunocompromised?
No ex wife is a nurse it’s her thing,,I never get it,I get colds and move on.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Matt on April 11, 2020, 06:04:38 AM
The hard hit areas are all black and Hispanic shit holes that already had horrible health outcomes.

Exactly.

I love how irresponsible Negro behaviour [lack of social distancing / lack of following basic preventative sickness recommendations] is once AGAIN turned around and blamed on White people ["racial oppression in the American healthcare system", and other such horseshit], when in reality, it is irresponsible Negroes causing the American COVID-19 infection rate to be as high as it is.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 11, 2020, 06:09:59 AM
One day the bubble will pop.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/uSHMDTUL7lKso/giphy.gif)

After the 2008 panic, china pursued an investment growth model but all the decisions were made by a few elites in Beijing. It’s very inefficient and a huge waste of human capital. Now the chickens are coming home to roost.


This is the real story. Most of those “assets” are shit:



http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-11/19/c_138567678.htm

Total assets of China's banking sector at 40 trln dollars: official
Source: Xinhua| 2019-11-19 23:01:55|

BEIJING, Nov. 19 (Xinhua) -- The total assets of banking institutions reached 285 trillion yuan (about 40.57 trillion U.S. dollars) at the end of the third quarter, an official with the country's top banking and insurance regulator said Tuesday.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: rocket on April 11, 2020, 06:20:12 AM
China probably are lying but it is true that they have a pretty good handle of it.

The company I work for has manufacturing in China (staffed by people I've worked and lived with).  They are required to wear masks all the time and take the temperatures at intervals.

Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Griffith on April 11, 2020, 06:49:19 AM
Would anyone trust anything the Chinese Communist Party says?

This is the same country with 're-education' concentration camps.

Their cremation furnaces are burning bodies 24 hours a day.

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Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Bevo on April 11, 2020, 07:28:17 AM
Yes, of course China is under-reporting their numbers.

They are doing this as a matter of national security in order to not show weakness.

Totalitarian regimes are notoriously paranoid.



Of course, I’ve heard this a billion times already

Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Bevo on April 11, 2020, 07:32:42 AM
There’s always going to be some room for interpretation about what the data really means but looking at those stats it’s hard to come to the conclusion that there’s been a virus that has been ravaging the population. In the absence of all the hype and hysteria, those numbers would look perfectly normal.

I believe it’s time to accept that at least most of what we’ve been told is bullshit. Now they’re saying that it was Europeans who infected New Yorkers. I know where European tourists and business people work and stay. They don’t go anywhere near the places that were hardest hit. In fact, the places where Europeans do stay, Midtown and the Upper East and West Side of Manhattan have some of the lowest infection rates.

The hard hit areas are all black and Hispanic shit holes that already had horrible health outcomes.

Are you saying that something good actually came out from this virus?  ;D
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 11, 2020, 07:58:36 AM
Are you saying that something good actually came out from this virus?  ;D

Not really. They would’ve died anyway because of their horrible health habits and lifestyle but now we have to hear about this being an income inequality issue because they don’t have access to high quality nutrition and healthcare.

Come on. I eat the same breakfast every day: oatmeal and eggs. It costs about a dollar.  Regarding healthcare, doctors have little training in nutrition. They’re essentially pill dispensers.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: illuminati on April 11, 2020, 03:04:13 PM
Essentially anything and everything is being done to inflate the numbers:



That’s my point & what the statistics on that link show - quite clearly there is no huge rise in deaths at all
So why the Panic Scaremongering From Media & Governments.
The No.s are not there People aren’t dying left right & centre of China Virus.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Mayday on April 11, 2020, 04:15:37 PM
That’s my point & what the statistics on that link show - quite clearly there is no huge rise in deaths at all
So why the Panic Scaremongering From Media & Governments.
The No.s are not there People aren’t dying left right & centre of China Virus.

The UK official number is 1k higher in total deaths for the last week of March. One should expect that to be higher in the following 2-3 weeks until it hits a peak.

You have drawn an incorrect conclusion.

You are looking at a number that is much lower than you expected and then said it's overblown.

You forgot to take into account the entire globe has shut down. The low numbers show the impact of the shutdowns so one can't turn around and say 'nothing happened'.......
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 11, 2020, 05:06:00 PM
So, Europeans brought the virus to new York city yet the borough where the overwhelming majority stay, which also happens to be the most densely populated,  is the least affected. Nothing strange about that.


Studies Show N.Y. Outbreak Originated in Europe

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/us/coronavirus-live-updates.html


https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/04/07/why-manhattan-has-seen-relatively-few-coronavirus-cases

Manhattan is not the most populous borough in the city, but it is by far the densest, with nearly 70,000 residents per square mile. Yet, Manhattan has recorded the fewest number of confirmed coronavirus cases per capita of all five boroughs.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: rocket on April 11, 2020, 05:55:41 PM
Manhattan is not the most populous borough in the city, but it is by far the densest, with nearly 70,000 residents per square mile. Yet, Manhattan has recorded the fewest number of confirmed coronavirus cases per capita of all five boroughs.

Isn't manhattan affluent, though?  Wouldn't it be more likely that residents have larger space?  I don't know much about this subject - just occurred to me that with an illness where proximity is king may find it more difficult to spread if the residents, though dense, are still spread out (by virtue of larger living spaces).
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Flexacon on April 11, 2020, 10:42:32 PM
That’s my point & what the statistics on that link show - quite clearly there is no huge rise in deaths at all
So why the Panic Scaremongering From Media & Governments.
The No.s are not there People aren’t dying left right & centre of China Virus.

The statistics you pulled up only show deaths up until the 20th of March when there had only been 200 reported covid deaths in the UK. Since then there have 10,000

Huge analytical fail.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: pamith on April 11, 2020, 10:47:13 PM
Deep inside I don't believe in coronavirus, I think it's all a hoax
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Bevo on April 11, 2020, 10:54:43 PM
If anything it seems like New Yorkers are imbeciles as a whole
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 12, 2020, 01:01:15 AM
Isn't manhattan affluent, though?  Wouldn't it be more likely that residents have larger space?  I don't know much about this subject - just occurred to me that with an illness where proximity is king may find it more difficult to spread if the residents, though dense, are still spread out (by virtue of larger living spaces).

This is the narrative that the main stream media is trying to peddle. The evil white people aren’t getting it because they’re rich. However, real estate is very expensive in the more desirable areas of Manhattan and as a result the apartments aren’t very big, they just cost a lot per square foot.

The truth is that the areas that are being called hotspots have always had horrible health outcomes which are now being attributed to Corona.


March 25, 2015 12:00 AM
For six years running, Bronx is the least-healthy county in NY state


https://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20150325/HEALTH_CARE/150329911/for-six-years-running-bronx-is-the-least-healthy-county-in-ny-state


Poverty, pollution and neglect: How the Bronx became a coronavirus 'formula for disaster'
The heavily minority borough has the highest per-case fatality rate in NYC.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/poverty-pollution-neglect-bronx-coronavirus-formula-disaster/story?id=70084738
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Teutonic Knight 1 on April 12, 2020, 02:31:12 PM
Exactly.

I love how irresponsible Negro behaviour [lack of social distancing / lack of following basic preventative sickness recommendations] is once AGAIN turned around and blamed on White people ["racial oppression in the American healthcare system", and other such horseshit], when in reality, it is irresponsible Negroes causing the American COVID-19 infection rate to be as high as it is.


How long before Abos start blaming white Aussies for Chinavirus !.

No access to booze already drives them mental !.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: illuminati on April 12, 2020, 02:48:48 PM
The statistics you pulled up only show deaths up until the 20th of March when there had only been 200 reported covid deaths in the UK. Since then there have 10,000

Huge analytical fail.

Have there really been 10,000 deaths from China Virus - when that site updates we’ll see if it’s
Towning the Narrative or will it still Tell the Truth.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: OneMoreRep on April 12, 2020, 03:09:59 PM
The Chinese due to their communist regime have historically been known as liars and cheaters.

From currency manipulation (devaluing), artificial increasing of GDP via ghost towns, reverse merger frauds in capital markets, government-owned banking lending out exorbitant loan amounts to shell companies to boost up company value to then better trade on international markets, to even mass manufacturing rip-off merchandise (fakes) to further keep the US black market filled with counterfeits. China wants to destroy our economy and have us sucking at their tit to stay afloat. We are already too co-dependent on China. Trump gets it and understands why we can't allow for them to continue to have their way in our economy. They're the enemy and want to see us burn.

I try my best to stay away from products made in China, but as all of you can imagine, it is very difficult given our current reliance on their dirt cheap manufacturing.

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Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: illuminati on April 12, 2020, 03:19:05 PM
The Chinese due to their communist regime have historically been known as liars and cheaters.

From currency manipulation (devaluing), artificial increasing of GDP via ghost towns, reverse merger frauds in capital markets, government-owned banking lending out exorbitant loan amounts to shell companies to boost up company value to then better trade on international markets, to even mass manufacturing rip-off merchandise (fakes) to further keep the US black market filled with counterfeits. China wants to destroy our economy and have us sucking at their tit to stay afloat. We are already too co-dependent on China. Trump gets it and understands why we can't allow for them to continue to have their way in our economy. They're the enemy and want to see us burn.

I try my best to stay away from products made in China, but as all of you can imagine, it is very difficult given our current reliance on their dirt cheap manufacturing.

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Damn good post - Well Said & it’s not only America they are doing that to
So many countries have become reliant on China & its manufacturing
Time for a reality check this has been I can but hope the world shifts away
From China & puts a stop to their Hideous Agenda.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: OneMoreRep on April 12, 2020, 03:43:04 PM
Damn good post - Well Said & it’s not only America they are doing that to
So many countries have become reliant on China & its manufacturing
Time for a reality check this has been I can but hope the world shifts away
From China & puts a stop to their Hideous Agenda.

This virus should be a wake-up call to not just their disgusting practices in street markets, but also to their deceitful ways in the world economy.

Heck, just in healthcare alone, we depend too much on China for our supplies. China is the second largest exporter of drugs and biologics to the United States behind Canada (https://nypost.com/2020/04/06/america-must-never-again-rely-on-china-for-our-medical-supplies/ (https://nypost.com/2020/04/06/america-must-never-again-rely-on-china-for-our-medical-supplies/)).

Here's a few other staggering facts (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/17/china-threatens-restrict-critical-drug-exports-us/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/17/china-threatens-restrict-critical-drug-exports-us/)):

China accounts for:


I mean, these motherfuckers have us by the short and curlies.

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Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: friedchickendinner on April 12, 2020, 03:48:36 PM
If you can't beat them, join them.

The future belongs to the chinese and the indians.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/y5KE5bawC5Q/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: OneMoreRep on April 12, 2020, 03:51:59 PM
If you can't beat them, join them.

The future belongs to the chinese and the indians.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/y5KE5bawC5Q/maxresdefault.jpg)

Come now, Kai will do anything for a few bucks.

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Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Flexacon on April 12, 2020, 03:55:30 PM
Have there really been 10,000 deaths from China Virus - when that site updates we’ll see if it’s
Towning the Narrative or will it still Tell the Truth.

There was an update on the 7th for data up until the 27th of March. Overall deaths were 10% above average.

Next week it will probably be 60% above average, followed by 80-90%.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: joswift on April 12, 2020, 04:14:22 PM
If you can't beat them, join them.

The future belongs to the chinese and the indians.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/y5KE5bawC5Q/maxresdefault.jpg)

he must stink, hes always piss wet through with sweat..
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Moontrane on April 12, 2020, 04:23:38 PM

Medical practitioners are required to certify causes of death “to the best of their knowledge and belief”. Without diagnostic proof, if appropriate and to avoid delay, medical practitioners can circle ‘2’ in the MCCD (“information from post-mortem may be available later”) or tick Box B on the reverse of the MCCD for ante-mortem investigations. For example, if before death the patient had symptoms typical of COVID- 19 infection, but the test result has not been received, it would be satisfactory to give ‘COVID-19’ as the cause of death, tick Box B and then share the test result when itbecomes available. In the circumstances of there being no swab, it is satisfactory to apply clinical judgement.

So they can report Covid 19 as cause of death based on their opinion, the test its required as evidence..
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/877302/guidance-for-doctors-completing-medical-certificates-of-cause-of-death-covid-19.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0wBa-CDjFWxjnPJsCD4HlZfpTpfaNYneRcq4Q8pBVt46lYNB8SfqsC8ug

BREAKING: Skydiver who forgot parachute dies from coronavirus

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https://genesiustimes.com/breaking-skydiver-who-forgot-parachute-dies-from-coronavirus/  :D
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: pamith on April 12, 2020, 05:18:26 PM
It's all a hoax
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Jizmonkey on April 12, 2020, 05:22:16 PM
The Chinese due to their communist regime have historically been known as liars and cheaters.

From currency manipulation (devaluing), artificial increasing of GDP via ghost towns, reverse merger frauds in capital markets, government-owned banking lending out exorbitant loan amounts to shell companies to boost up company value to then better trade on international markets, to even mass manufacturing rip-off merchandise (fakes) to further keep the US black market filled with counterfeits. China wants to destroy our economy and have us sucking at their tit to stay afloat. We are already too co-dependent on China. Trump gets it and understands why we can't allow for them to continue to have their way in our economy. They're the enemy and want to see us burn.

I try my best to stay away from products made in China, but as all of you can imagine, it is very difficult given our current reliance on their dirt cheap manufacturing.

"1"

Now that China’s labour is not quite as cheap as it used to be, manufactures are moving to places like Viet Nam, India and Mexico. So at least there’s that.  
And trying to buy less things from China is pretty hard when they produce 30% of the worlds goods. Trumps tariffs reduced Chinas exports to the States by 7% in 2019, but mainly because US companies are outsourcing to other countries now.  The US isn’t getting these manufacturing jobs back. The tariffs just pass the buck to the consumer. Manufacturing imports from Mexico are already at 42% of what China brings in.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Teutonic Knight 1 on April 12, 2020, 05:54:48 PM
Now that China’s labour is not quite as cheap as it used to be, manufactures are moving to places like Viet Nam, India and Mexico. So at least there’s that.  
And trying to buy less things from China is pretty hard when they produce 30% of the worlds goods. Trumps tariffs reduced Chinas exports to the States by 7% in 2019, but mainly because US companies are outsourcing to other countries now.  The US isn’t getting these manufacturing jobs back. The tariffs just pass the buck to the consumer. Manufacturing imports from Mexico are already at 42% of what China brings in.



But many of those companies use to be in Mexico !.

India will get them.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Mayday on April 12, 2020, 06:30:46 PM
Have there really been 10,000 deaths from China Virus - when that site updates we’ll see if it’s
Towning the Narrative or will it still Tell the Truth.

The UK was 1k above historic total deaths trend for the week ending 28th March. That was the first week of data this year to show an increase above trendline.

The following 3 weeks or so of data will show an increase and then flatten out.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 12, 2020, 10:36:08 PM
BREAKING: Skydiver who forgot parachute dies from coronavirus

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https://genesiustimes.com/breaking-skydiver-who-forgot-parachute-dies-from-coronavirus/  :D

😂😂😂😂

Speaks volumes that a parody news site is more real than mainstream media.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: illuminati on April 13, 2020, 01:37:16 PM
The UK was 1k above historic total deaths trend for the week ending 28th March. That was the first week of data this year to show an increase above trendline.

The following 3 weeks or so of data will show an increase and then flatten out.

Yes according to The ONS website data - It Really makes for interesting reading
All the deaths are broken up into age groups / areas / Male or Female  ( great how there’s only 2 genders recognised on there )  in the next few weeks will the statistics suddenly fall in line with what’s being told or will it reamain an Accurate record of what’s happened.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Earl1972 on April 13, 2020, 02:02:46 PM
they are cremating them alive so they can say they died in a fire instead of from the virus, seriously

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Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 13, 2020, 02:07:36 PM
Yes according to The ONS website data - It Really makes for interesting reading
All the deaths are broken up into age groups / areas / Male or Female  ( great how there’s only 2 genders recognised on there )  in the next few weeks will the statistics suddenly fall in line with what’s being told or will it reamain an Accurate record of what’s happened.

You have to take these numbers with a grain of salt. The New York Times posted a story about the increase death totals in NYC and it turned out they counted people who died in other states but have houses in New York. This most likely would be people in Florida, elderly retirees who go there for the winter.

Like I said, they’re doing anything and everything to pump up the numbers.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: painfull86 on April 13, 2020, 02:15:56 PM
It's not real folks, Just flu.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Hypertrophy on April 13, 2020, 04:25:40 PM
It's not real folks, Just flu.

Pretty much.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Flexacon on April 14, 2020, 03:21:29 AM
UK deaths up by 59% on the 5 year average for the week ending 3rd of April. Next week it will be well beyond double the UK average and it will stay that way for the next 6 to 8 weeks at minimum

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending3april2020
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Mayday on April 14, 2020, 04:06:55 AM
UK deaths up by 59% on the 5 year average for the week ending 3rd of April. Next week it will be well beyond double the UK average and it will stay that way for the next 6 to 8 weeks at minimum

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending3april2020

It's a nasty looking ramp.

The reports say 11.3k coronavirus deaths to date. Gunna be more than that!
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Flexacon on April 14, 2020, 04:31:12 AM
It's a nasty looking ramp.

The reports say 11.3k coronavirus deaths to date. Gunna be more than that!

What's alarming is the increase in non covid19 reported deaths. That's up 30%

I've been hearing heart attacks are up significantly and I've also been reading that people battle through a bad case of covid19, recover and then their heart just gives up a few days later. This isn't an unexpected outcome according to some heart doctors and obviously this isn't happening to healthy individuals.

The "it's just flu bros" camp need to humble up.

Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 14, 2020, 05:53:09 AM
What's alarming is the increase in non covid19 reported deaths. That's up 30%

I've been hearing heart attacks are up significantly and I've also been reading that people battle through a bad case of covid19, recover and then their heart just gives up a few days later. This isn't an unexpected outcome according to some heart doctors and obviously this isn't happening to healthy individuals.

The "it's just flu bros" camp need to humble up.



Considering the number of people who have the virus but have no symptoms, it’s often less than the flu.

Right?

I’m still waiting to hear an explanation of how anybody could know for sure that their symptoms are a result of corona when it’s possible to have corona and no symptoms.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: pamith on April 14, 2020, 06:09:46 AM
Sometimes I think the whole thing is a hoax
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Flexacon on April 14, 2020, 06:16:11 AM
Considering the number of people who have the virus but have no symptoms, it’s often less than the flu.

Right?

I’m still waiting to hear an explanation of how anybody could know for sure that their symptoms are a result of corona when it’s possible to have corona and no symptoms.

Why don't you try explain the sudden increase in the death rate first.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: booty on April 14, 2020, 06:16:17 AM
What's alarming is the increase in non covid19 reported deaths. That's up 30%

I've been hearing heart attacks are up significantly and I've also been reading that people battle through a bad case of covid19, recover and then their heart just gives up a few days later. This isn't an unexpected outcome according to some heart doctors and obviously this isn't happening to healthy individuals.

The "it's just flu bros" camp need to humble up.


I think I read that after some  patients recover,  they have damaged hearts and lungs. It’s really frightening.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: booty on April 14, 2020, 06:17:55 AM
Considering the number of people who have the virus but have no symptoms, it’s often less than the flu.

Right?

I’m still waiting to hear an explanation of how anybody could know for sure that their symptoms are a result of corona when it’s possible to have corona and no symptoms.
There is different strains. I think there is 3 different ones in Australia.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Griffith on April 14, 2020, 06:24:24 AM
I think I read that after some  patients recover,  they have damaged hearts and lungs. It’s really frightening.

I have heard that too, though most seem to make a complete recovery?
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: illuminati on April 16, 2020, 01:23:03 AM
I think I read that after some  patients recover,  they have damaged hearts and lungs. It’s really frightening.

😱  not heard that before - so it can potentially Leave life long Health damage !!
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: illuminati on April 16, 2020, 01:28:24 AM
There is different strains. I think there is 3 different ones in Australia.

Is the Virus Mutating or did Chinese Lab release 3 Different strains of it.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: harmankardon1 on April 16, 2020, 02:09:49 AM
What's alarming is the increase in non covid19 reported deaths. That's up 30%

I've been hearing heart attacks are up significantly and I've also been reading that people battle through a bad case of covid19, recover and then their heart just gives up a few days later. This isn't an unexpected outcome according to some heart doctors and obviously this isn't happening to healthy individuals.

The "it's just flu bros" camp need to humble up.



"I've been hearing"

Retarded post reported ....
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Flexacon on April 16, 2020, 02:48:48 AM
"I've been hearing"

Retarded post reported ....

I see one of the "it's just flu" clowns has checked in

Hearing directly from inner city health workers who have basically been gagged from speaking out about anything sure is retarded

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/massive-spike-in-nyc-cardiac-arrest-deaths-seen-as-sign-of-covid-19-undercounting/2368678/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/heart-conditions-prove-especially-dangerous-for-covid-19-patients-11586683801

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/heart-damage-in-covid-19-patients-puzzles-doctors/


Keep up the clowning with your posting fails. I'm finding it highly entertaining
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Griffith on April 16, 2020, 03:42:16 AM
😱  not heard that before - so it can potentially Leave life long Health damage !!

Can any one of our resident experts on Getbig confirm this?
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: IroNat on April 16, 2020, 04:31:11 AM
I think I read that after some  patients recover,  they have damaged hearts and lungs. It’s really frightening.

Pneumonia from flu does the same thing.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Royalty on April 16, 2020, 05:00:11 AM
😱  not heard that before - so it can potentially Leave life long Health damage !!

Remember “Pumping Iron”?

Lou Ferrigno had a viral infection when he was a baby, it damaged his ears so badly that it left him permanently deaf
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 16, 2020, 05:23:11 AM
Pneumonia from flu does the same thing.

These don’t exist anymore. Corona is currently the only malady that afflicts anyone.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: gib on April 16, 2020, 06:35:47 AM
I am an expert who knows more on this than almost anyone. Ask a legitimate question and I will answer.
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Griffith on April 16, 2020, 07:26:42 AM
I am an expert who knows more on this than almost anyone. Ask a legitimate question and I will answer.

OK  ;D

"Some patients recover, they have damaged hearts and lungs'"

What is the percentage of people so far who have permanent damage from this?
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: friedchickendinner on April 16, 2020, 09:14:51 AM
Damaged heart = broken heart.

What Becomes Of The Brokenhearted
Jimmy Ruffin

I'm searching, though I don't succeed
But someone look, there's a growing need
Oh, he is lost, there's no place for beginning
All that's left is an unhappy ending
Now, becomes of the broken-hearted
Who had love that's now departed?
I know I've got to find
Some kind of peace of mind
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Skylge on April 16, 2020, 09:29:33 AM
I think I read that after some  patients recover,  they have damaged hearts and lungs. It’s really frightening.

Apparently has to do with the scar tissue in their lungs, caused by the infections.

Tried to google for stats in my country of what percentage of patients will probably have lasting damage, and their age, but perhaps it's too early to tell

The chinese virus seems a bit like steroids: relatively few people die from it, but heart / kidney / prostate / liver damage for the rest of your life: why risk it?
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Skylge on April 16, 2020, 09:38:06 AM
These don’t exist anymore. Corona is currently the only malady that afflicts anyone.

That would be interesting to read (if everyone is tested and everything is accurately noted): how many deaths currently are caused by flu?
In most countries it's still flu season, so it can't be zero imo

Can patients have both flu and the chinese virus?
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Hypertrophy on April 16, 2020, 10:50:37 AM
I am an expert who knows more on this than almost anyone. Ask a legitimate question and I will answer.

When is Bostin Lloyd "going down".  lol
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Teutonic Knight 1 on April 16, 2020, 02:14:17 PM
I am an expert who knows more on this than almost anyone. Ask a legitimate question and I will answer.


"expert" in WHAT  ;D 

Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: Mayday on April 16, 2020, 04:10:18 PM

"expert" in WHAT  ;D 


Licking windows
Title: Re: Are we Being Lied To- China Virus deaths.
Post by: illuminati on April 19, 2020, 04:23:46 PM
I am an expert who knows more on this than almost anyone. Ask a legitimate question and I will answer.

In ???

A Legend in your own Mind No Doubt.