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Say youve been training for 7 years, natural, compete in natural shows. Say All of a sudden you wanted to try the "dark side" and do a couple of cycles...You relaize its not your bag, and walk away from it.
Ok, so now if you dont use again, and train "naturally" are you considered a natural? I know some natural organizations say you have tobe clean for at least 3 years.
Discuss.
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I think a few years and the guy's cool to compete naturally, but doing those cycles may still have helped with his present physique, so it's hard to say.
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Its something Natural bodybuilders need to think about. Becuase as you said it should be cool after a few years, but you still have a record. :-\
As someone else said also in another thread- amateur competitive bodybuilders need to use more gear today to compete than pros did in the 70s and 80s..I beleive this, bc at my gym some guys are just on ALOT of gear, and they look great- I wouldnt take so much gear to compete with them, so I accepted never getting super huge and super strong. :( But I admire folks that do :)
I cant decide weather or not someone that "tries" the Dark side for a few cycles can be considered natural ever again.. ???
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People who juice occasionally claim to be able to keep some of the gains deriving from steroids.
If we trust these people, then the only naturals are those who have always been clean.
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You should only be considered natural, if you did just one cycle at least 11 years ago, I guess I'm natural after all. Thanks
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if you do a cycle, you're no longer natural. you can be "clean" but you'll never be natural again. even if you diet yourself down way far after the cycle you're still on muscle memory to get it back.
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^ I agree.
So your natural for so many years, then you do a cycle, fuck it your not 'natural' anymore; no matter how long you have been 'off the juice' Natural Means "NATURAL", not, now I've seen the Emperor's ugly face, I want to go back to being clean. Doesn't work that way.
There are three areas: Light side [Natural] : Grey area [Past user/Totally clean now] : Dark side [Gear User]
Croatch falls into the Grey Area weather he likes it or not.
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I disagree. If none of your current gains come from drug use, you are natural. Plain and simple. Does it mean you've been natural your whole life, no. Just like if someone made all there gains on gear, then stopped for a few month, I would consider them a juicer. Until, they lost ALL their gains, then gained it all back clean. To me, that's what natural means.
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I disagree. If none of your current gains come from drug use, you are natural. Plain and simple. Does it mean you've been natural your whole life, no. Just like if someone made all there gains on gear, then stopped for a few month, I would consider them a juicer. Until, they lost ALL their gains, then gained it all back clean. To me, that's what natural means.
Once your cherry's been popped there's no getting it back Croatch. The "muscle memory" of your previous cycle(s) contributed to your present physique whether you want to admit it or not. Your body remembers all drugs on a genetic level
permanently.
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I would say that 'natural' means lifetime natural and would consider previous users 'drug free'.It's like losing your virginity-you can't go back.However,it's not really relevant as long as you adhere to the guidelines of the organisation that you compete in eg in the UK we have the NPA which stipulates 'lifetime natural' and the BNBF which is 7 years drug free(although many competitors are lifetime natural).
Bottom line is-WHO CARES-lifetime natural,drug free,assisted whatever-we are all bodybuilders who have made our choices.There's no right or wrong.
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I disagree. If none of your current gains come from drug use, you are natural. Plain and simple. Does it mean you've been natural your whole life, no. Just like if someone made all there gains on gear, then stopped for a few month, I would consider them a juicer. Until, they lost ALL their gains, then gained it all back clean. To me, that's what natural means.
I agree.
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Define "couple of cycles"
Off course not.
The definition you want to use is like one from a alcohol rehab,
I haven't used for a so many months, I'm clean and so I'm natural.
If you tried it once, and it was shit (almost unbelievable, it's in the mix) than you can keep calling yourself clean.
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muscle memory is one thing but you're not going to be able to train as heavy or recover as quickly so you might not be able to reach that level again..or at least not for awhile. I'm a life time natural guy, I had problems with my liver when I was younger so doing any roids is out of the question. I've got no problem with a guy saying he was natural if he's been clean for..I don't know...5 years or so, maybe 7. What I do have a problem with is guys like that team the game clown who sends "his guys" into natural competitions juiced to the gills because he knows how to beat the test. I'm telling you, I'm a pretty easy going guy but if I ever competed againts these guys and I knew what was going on somebody would be getting a beat down.
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Sorry but for me you can abuse of food, suplements, vitamins and any other thing like that, but if you take steroids once so you cant call yourself natural anymore, its just how i see it (doesnt matter if you hadnt any gains with it)
You can say you are not a user, but not that you are natural....
I have nothing agains steroids (im even planning to take it) but its just a thing of being honest with yourself and with others...
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Once your cherry's been popped there's no getting it back Croatch. The "muscle memory" of your previous cycle(s) contributed to your present physique whether you want to admit it or not. Your body remembers all drugs on a genetic level
permanently.
So now you're telling me, if I fuck a girl who has only been nailed once 12 years ago by some guy with a small dick...now when I fuck her today she's going to be loose like a whore because of muscle memory?
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So now you're telling me, if I f**k a girl who has only been nailed once 12 years ago by some guy with a small dick...now when I f**k her today she's going to be loose like a whore because of muscle memory?
She won't be loose. But she can't be classified as a virgin either.
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I've been "natural" for 4 months right now, it REALLY sucks.
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I like the guys who claim they're natural because they never did the "illegal" version of steroids. They take every pro-hormone (m1t, superdrol, etc) on the market and then talk shit about guys that "juice".
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I've been "natural" for 4 months right now, it REALLY sucks.
Welcome to the real world. I would love to see what a person's gains were, before they took any sauce. I'd bet the majority didn't accomplish squat before hitting gear. Must be awesome.
I like the guys who claim they're natural because they never did the "illegal" version of steroids. They take every pro-hormone (m1t, superdrol, etc) on the market and then talk shit about guys that "juice".
Agreed. Any test booster is borderline, pretty much what gear does.
She won't be loose. But she can't be classified as a virgin either.
What if I plug her ass instead?
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I've been "natural" for 4 months right now, it REALLY sucks.
LMAO!
;D
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I like the guys who claim they're natural because they never did the "illegal" version of steroids. They take every pro-hormone (m1t, superdrol, etc) on the market and then talk shit about guys that "juice".
Yeah those are some homos. But you must admit, gear works better than those prohormones. I guess those prohormone folks are in between a tru natural and a gear user.
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Welcome to the real world. I would love to see what a person's gains were, before they took any sauce. I'd bet the majority didn't accomplish squat before hitting gear.
Actually Croatch, my natural gains were pretty damn good, gear helped me take things to the next level, I realized long ago that it's almost impossible to look the way I want to look naturally. Sure it can be somewhat accomplished, but to get that kind of lean muscle would take a good 20+ years of non stop training, I'm 26 right now, I don't really want to wait till I'm 45 to enjoy that kind of physique.
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I disagree. If none of your current gains come from drug use, you are natural. Plain and simple. Does it mean you've been natural your whole life, no. Just like if someone made all there gains on gear, then stopped for a few month, I would consider them a juicer. Until, they lost ALL their gains, then gained it all back clean. To me, that's what natural means.
you forget that if you lose all your gains, it's a hell of a lot easier to get them back again. muscle memory, even from juiced gains, will make it pretty easy to get them back. unless you're talking about npc-level size from drug usage, its not going to be muscle that you can't regain after losing pretty quickly.
think about what happens when you diet and your strength goes down. it might take you two or three years to get to using 225 on the incline bench. then you diet and it drops to 185. once you start putting weight on again you're back up to 225 a hell of a lot faster than it took to get there from 185 the first time.
if you do a cycle, blow up to 250, then let it all shrink you back down to 200 pounds, you'll be able to get up to 250 again a lot faster than if you never did that cycle. the only exception is when you use the drugs to get past your natural limit, and that only means when you re-gain the muscle you'll just get to your natural limit a hell of a lot faster than if you never used.
natural means you have never used steroids to aid your gains. because no matter how long you've been off, where you are is a result of the usage. you might be 10 years plus clean, but you ain't natural.
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A lot of it has to do with your goals and the kind of cycles you're doing.. there are a lot of people that start working out, 2-3 months after they started working out they start juicing hard, stay on for a year straight.. put on 60-70lbs. of muscle, then stop juicing, stop working out and revert to what they were before they started working out. Dedicated trainers, like myself use steroids more as icing on the cake, I put my hours in the gym and build up a great natural foundation, I've been off for 4 months and I'm still a very hard and lean 230, on gear I usually stay around 245-250 which is not that significant of an increase. Although I don't think steroids affect your natural gains very much when you've been off for over a year or so, and that includes muscle memory. I think at that point it's all natural.
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you forget that if you lose all your gains, it's a hell of a lot easier to get them back again. muscle memory, even from juiced gains, will make it pretty easy to get them back. unless you're talking about npc-level size from drug usage, its not going to be muscle that you can't regain after losing pretty quickly.
think about what happens when you diet and your strength goes down. it might take you two or three years to get to using 225 on the incline bench. then you diet and it drops to 185. once you start putting weight on again you're back up to 225 a hell of a lot faster than it took to get there from 185 the first time.
if you do a cycle, blow up to 250, then let it all shrink you back down to 200 pounds, you'll be able to get up to 250 again a lot faster than if you never did that cycle. the only exception is when you use the drugs to get past your natural limit, and that only means when you re-gain the muscle you'll just get to your natural limit a hell of a lot faster than if you never used.
natural means you have never used steroids to aid your gains. because no matter how long you've been off, where you are is a result of the usage. you might be 10 years plus clean, but you ain't natural.
^ I Concur. Croatch give it up, You did steriods, didn't like them or drop them however you want to put it, and now your working on your body without using steriods. Fine, But your not Natural! you and others who are in the same boat can cry and bitch about how clean they have been for how many years, but your not natural, your clean. There is a different. Once you come to terms with this, you'll thank this thread for it.
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Croatch is an anti-steroid former gear experimentor. Period.
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^ I Concur. Croatch give it up, You did steriods, didn't like them or drop them however you want to put it, and now your working on your body without using steriods. Fine, But your not Natural! you and others who are in the same boat can cry and bitch about how clean they have been for how many years, but your not natural, your clean. There is a different. Once you come to terms with this, you'll thank this thread for it.
very good post. 100% on the spot.
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^ I Concur. Croatch give it up, You did steriods, didn't like them or drop them however you want to put it, and now your working on your body without using steriods. Fine, But your not Natural! you and others who are in the same boat can cry and bitch about how clean they have been for how many years, but your not natural, your clean. There is a different. Once you come to terms with this, you'll thank this thread for it.
Holy crap, that is completely accurate. Awesome post.
There can't be a gray line. Use for one day, use for ten years. If you have ever used, you're not natural. And as much as Croatch HATES steroid users, that has to be a hard issue to face.
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Seems I'm picking on Croatch here, sorry but from your past post your trying to convince yourself and others that your natural, which your not. Sure your current gains are coming without gear, but you did steriods. Admit it.. your not natural.
Croatch and any others in this Grey area, say this out loud:
"I did steriods. I'm not natural. I'm clean. And Now I'm cured!"
Repeat until you see desired results.
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Never used=natural
stopped using=clean
It ain't that hard to figure out.
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Seems I'm picking on Croatch here, sorry but from your past post your trying to convince yourself and others that your natural, which your not. Sure your current gains are coming without gear, but you did steriods. Admit it.. your not natural.
Croatch and any others in this Grey area, say this out loud:
"I did steriods. I'm not natural. I'm clean. And Now I'm cured!"
Repeat until you see desired results.
I did steroids, I'm not natural. I'll be clean till late May ;)
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I'm finally coming to grips with reality. I am a gearhead and my name is Croatch. Thanks everyone. ;D
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Stop picking on Croatch....
If he's not natural then neither is anyone who was administered steroids while convalescing in a hospital. That's plainly ridiculous. A line in the sand is one thing, a line across a grain of sand is quite another.
Yes Croatch used steroids, he has admitted that (something most pros don't have the balls to do). He claims he didn't get any gains.... that's relatively believeable, some people don't. Since then he has built a quality physique (from scratch!) without steroids (something most juicers don't have the balls to do).
How do we know all this about him from an anonymous internet message board?
Because he has posted pictures and videos of himself several times to prove it (something most GetBiggers don't have the balls to do).
Keep doing your thing dude! Croatch on!!
The Luke
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Croatch, how is it in one thread you said you could get up to pro level weight (240 clean pounds) in just six months of gear usage. On the other hand (from what was stated above), you said you made no gains from it.???!!
I see guys all the time who take shit and don't grow worth a damn because they don't follow the basic principles of gaining weight - Lift heavy, eat lots of quality foods, get enough sleep. It sounds to me like you're bitter at all users because you didn't make any gains from it. It reminds me of the mentality of ex-smokers. Maybe I'm wrong and you can explain this to me?
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Stop picking on Croatch....
If he's not natural then neither is anyone who was administered steroids while convalescing in a hospital. That's plainly ridiculous. A line in the sand is one thing, a line across a grain of sand is quite another.
Yes Croatch used steroids, he has admitted that (something most pros don't have the balls to do). He claims he didn't get any gains.... that's relatively believeable, some people don't. Since then he has built a quality physique (from scratch!) without steroids (something most juicers don't have the balls to do).
How do we know all this about him from an anonymous internet message board?
Because he has posted pictures and videos of himself several times to prove it (something most GetBiggers don't have the balls to do).
Keep doing your thing dude! Croatch on!!
The Luke
What proof do we really have to support that he's natural??? his word? (on an anyonymous internet bodybuilding board) for all we know he could be ramming as much gear as the pro's and be using his 'pro-natural' shtick as a front. A lot of people vehemently deny their gear usage and will argue to the death that they are clean and juice free, yet at the same time they're injecting everything under the sun in the confines of their property.
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^ I agree.
So your natural for so many years, then you do a cycle, f**k it your not 'natural' anymore; no matter how long you have been 'off the juice' Natural Means "NATURAL", not, now I've seen the Emperor's ugly face, I want to go back to being clean. Doesn't work that way.
There are three areas: Light side [Natural] : Grey area [Past user/Totally clean now] : Dark side [Gear User]
Croatch falls into the Grey Area weather he likes it or not.
Take the nitro out of the dragster and it runs slower , then and there.
Howard
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^ I agree.
So your natural for so many years, then you do a cycle, f**k it your not 'natural' anymore; no matter how long you have been 'off the juice' Natural Means "NATURAL", not, now I've seen the Emperor's ugly face, I want to go back to being clean. Doesn't work that way.
There are three areas: Light side [Natural] : Grey area [Past user/Totally clean now] : Dark side [Gear User]
Croatch falls into the Grey Area weather he likes it or not.
agree.
sorry croatch, but nobody believes you re a natural anymore after your claim, get over it.
First time i saw your videos i thought "its pretty hard to believe hes natural", and it was BEFORE you claimed having a very "little" cycle in the past...yeah even before knowing you did a cycle, everyone had a hard time believing you were natural.
To say the least there are some parts in your body that looks natural, but others that look "enhanced", far beyond what someone s natural could obtain.
to me this an123 guy, the best natural guy in my book one getbig, is the real natural deal, no overdeveloped shoulders and traps, no incredible vascularity ....he s NATURAL and he looks like he is.
So do the maths, what do you think we people are thinking about you know?
Sorry, but there s no way a natural can pack on mass like you, its beyond believable when we look at your videos.
Now stop bieng a bob chick or a shawn ray, claiming things that are obviously wrong.
And there s nothing personnal here, no hate, you still are ok in my book, with soime interesting posts, but now you ve turned into a guy who constently make excuses in every and each of his posts.
GET OVER IT!
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Natural = not experimented with steroids.
The end.
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Ehhhhh.....
Croatch could easily be natural, despite analcandy's protestations.... afterall, I'm a lifetime natural and I'm bigger than Croatch.
Oh, and for the record, I'm the best natural on GetBig.
The Luke
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Ehhhhh.....
Croatch could easily be natural, despite analcandy's protestations.... afterall, I'm a lifetime natural and I'm bigger than Croatch.
Oh, and for the record, I'm the best natural on GetBig.
The Luke
Alexxx makes you look like someone who should be playing on a see-saw ::)
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Lucius Fox,
As I've mentioned here before, the few, the brave, the Naturals here on GetBig will soon be running a friendly "Video Your Max Lifts" thread on the Natural Board. (I'll be policing the thread)
The categories will be:
Max Bench for 5 clean reps
Max Squat for 5 clean reps
Max Deadlift for 5 clean reps
(and possibly.... 315 lb Squat for maximum reps "The Platz Challenge")
...all lifts to be verified by (reasonably) clear video.
The competition is purely for bragging rights and the personal bests of every participant will be posted. The competition is also (obviously for the Natural Board) only open to those bodybuilding using the force; no dark-siders.
I'll be posting a few vids in the Natural Board's competiton, (which starts next month [May '06] by the way).... then we'll see who the best naturals here on GetBig are.
Alexxx, 240, Croatch and the rest of you guys.... you've been warned. You'll have to back it up soon enough.
The Luke
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Lucius Fox,
As I've mentioned here before, the few, the brave, the Naturals here on GetBig will soon be running a friendly "Video Your Max Lifts" thread on the Natural Board. (I'll be policing the thread)
The categories will be:
Max Bench for 5 clean reps
Max Squat for 5 clean reps
Max Deadlift for 5 clean reps
(and possibly.... 315 lb Squat for maximum reps "The Platz Challenge")
...all lifts to be verified by (reasonably) clear video.
The competition is purely for bragging rights and the personal bests of every participant will be posted. The competition is also (obviously for the Natural Board) only open to those bodybuilding using the force; no dark-siders.
I'll be posting a few vids in the Natural Board's competiton, (which starts next month [May '06] by the way).... then we'll see who the best naturals here on GetBig are.
Alexxx, 240, Croatch and the rest of you guys.... you've been warned. You'll have to back it up soon enough.
The Luke
This is a bodybuilding site, not a powerlifting one.. who cares what you lift, it's how you look.
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Won't a video of you lifting show how you look?
The Luke
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Bodybuilders shouldnt worry bout poundages, more about pump ??
Right or Wrong ??
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WEll Actually....
"1. Motivation provides the energy needed until success is achieved. Success does not have to mean finishing first, but satisfaction that you've done your best and stayed focused toward your personal goals.
2. Always warm up properly. This can be done by spending 7-10 minutes on the exercise bike, treadmill, or walking track. Also be careful when stretching. Don't overdo it, especially when the weather is cool.
3. Muscle responds to resistance and stimulus. It doesn't know the difference between 100 lb. And 400 lb. So train the muscle by using proper form and technique. And keep the ego in check. When performing overhead pressing, rowing, or squatting movements, use a weight belt to protect the lower back.
4. In order to stimulate muscle mass, basic, explosive training of the muscle groups must be performed. For example, chest-bench press, shoulder-military, biceps-barbell curls, etc. Be mindful that it doesn't take a ton of weight to stimulate a muscle to grow, just the correct stimulus.
5. Many people use too heavy a weight during an exercise, resulting in imprecise, sloppy form, exercising their egos more than shocking muscles into growth."
-Lee Haney
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I would disagree JJ.You can get a pump using light weights for loadsa reps but you wouldn't build too much muscle.
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sorry croatch, but nobody believes you re a natural anymore after your claim, get over it.
Sorry, none of my gains came from drug use. I did one 2 month cycle in 94', gained 30-40lbs in 2 months, of mainly bloat weight. Dropped it all a few months later, stopped lifting for a few years, started lifting again for another year or so, stopped for 2 years, came back in 2002 at 150lbs. Made ALL my gains natural.
Show me one juicer who put on 50lbs with drug use, then dropped all of it, then regained it naturally. Sorry, doesn't happen really.
Nothing to get over, just stating facts.
Croatch on...
M E L T D O W N
Self Owning
Brutal Honesty
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I would disagree JJ.You can get a pump using light weights for loadsa reps but you wouldn't build too much muscle.
No one said the wieght would be light, Im saying you wouldnt have to use a ton. Furthermore, the load of reps im talking bout is 8-12
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There seems to be a persistent reassertion on this board that anyone displaying any noticeable muscle must be a steroid user; that anyone claiming to be natural while over 150 lbs is actually a closet juicer and that the only naturally attainable physique is the one you're born with.
It's bullshit.
A little healthy competition among the naturals should help dispell these ridiculous prejudices. We have several naturals here on GetBig who weigh over 200 lbs, bench/squat/deadlift in the 300/400/500 region, yet are afraid to post pics/vids for fear of the hate and negativity. Not to mention the hijacking of threads with endless "Squad" self-amusement and in-jokes..."Monster triceps", "What a Beast" etc. etc.
Which is a pity.
Hopefully, Croatch will join in... he's more than welcome. Remember, ALL personal bests for EACH participant will be posted. Croatch won't have to worry about being left out just because his poundages won't be as heavy as mine.
The Luke
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Lucius Fox,
As I've mentioned here before, the few, the brave, the Naturals here on GetBig will soon be running a friendly "Video Your Max Lifts" thread on the Natural Board. (I'll be policing the thread)
The categories will be:
Max Bench for 5 clean reps
Max Squat for 5 clean reps
Max Deadlift for 5 clean reps
(and possibly.... 315 lb Squat for maximum reps "The Platz Challenge")
...all lifts to be verified by (reasonably) clear video.
The competition is purely for bragging rights and the personal bests of every participant will be posted. The competition is also (obviously for the Natural Board) only open to those bodybuilding using the force; no dark-siders.
I'll be posting a few vids in the Natural Board's competiton, (which starts next month [May '06] by the way).... then we'll see who the best naturals here on GetBig are.
Alexxx, 240, Croatch and the rest of you guys.... you've been warned. You'll have to back it up soon enough.
The Luke
This sounds like a great idea! I would do it, but I don't want to embarrass myself.
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Sorry, none of my gains came from drug use. I did one 2 month cycle in 94', gained 30-40lbs in 2 months, of mainly bloat weight. Dropped it all a few months later, stopped lifting for a few years, started lifting again for another year or so, stopped for 2 years, came back in 2002 at 150lbs. Made ALL my gains natural.
Show me one juicer who put on 50lbs with drug use, then dropped all of it, then regained it naturally. Sorry, doesn't happen really.
Nothing to get over, just stating facts.
Croatch on...
M E L T D O W N
Self Owning
Brutal Honesty
I just watched your videos, very well done.
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Bodybuilders shouldnt worry bout poundages, more about pump ??
Right or Wrong ??
I personally don't care if I bench 2 plates, or 3, or 3 1/2
as long as I properly work the muscle and stimulate it to grow, I'm satisfied.
It all depends on what you're going for, some people look like crap and can bench 4 plates, others
will only bench 2 but look unreal in comparison.
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I personally don't care if I bench 2 plates, or 3, or 3 1/2
as long as I properly work the muscle and stimulate it to grow, I'm satisfied.
It all depends on what you're going for, some people look like crap and can bench 4 plates, others
will only bench 2 but look unreal in comparison.
That's how you get balloon muscles ::)
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That's how you get balloon muscles ::)
Balloon muscles ?!
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It's bullshit.
A little healthy competition among the naturals should help dispell these ridiculous prejudices. We have several naturals here on GetBig who weigh over 200 lbs, bench/squat/deadlift in the 300/400/500 region, yet are afraid to post pics/vids for fear of the hate and negativity. Not to mention the hijacking of threads with endless "Squad" self-amusement and in-jokes..."Monster triceps", "What a Beast" etc. etc.
Which is a pity.
That's great, but how are you going to prove that everyone who enters really is a natural ?!?! if it's really so hard to tell if someone is juicing or not (per Croatch's example) then how will you be sure? on everyone's good word? who's that say that a guy that's juiced to the gills won't win this thing?
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Balloon muscles ?!
Big,shiny and voluminous muscles with no maturity and that lack strength.
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Big,shiny and voluminous muscles with no maturity and that lack strength.
Hate to rain on your parade, but maturity in muscle comes from years and years of training, whether you're going extremely heavy or just heavy makes no real difference. Just so we understand each other, I'm not talking about going ultra light, you do need (as JaeJonna pointed out) some good resistance to build good quality muscle, but I think going extremely heavy is just pointless unless you're trying to be a powerlifter. Muscle grows from continuos breakdown of tissue and replenishment of glycogen, proteins and so on, the real difference is in the form, why do you think some people are so strong but look like complete garbage ?! it's not just bad genetics, a lot of it has to do with proper and improper form.
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Hate to rain on your parade, but maturity in muscle comes from years and years of training, whether you're going extremely heavy or just heavy makes no real difference. Just so we understand each other, I'm not talking about going ultra light, you do need (as JaeJonna pointed out) some good resistance to build good quality muscle, but I think going extremely heavy is just pointless unless you're trying to be a powerlifter. Muscle grows from continuos breakdown of tissue and replenishment of glycogen, proteins and so on, the real difference is in the form, why do you think some people are so strong but look like complete garbage ?! it's not just bad genetics, a lot of it has to do with proper and improper form.
I realize that it takes years to build muscle maturity. But to have balloon muscles you need to lack muscle maturity and strength, suggesting that you built the muscle quickly with chemical assistance.
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I realize that it takes years to build muscle maturity. But to have balloon muscles you need to lack muscle maturity and strength, suggesting that you built the muscle quickly with chemical assistance.
Chemical assistance is temporary, at least for the most part.. you may be able to move past a plateau but you won't look the same or have the same kind of strength.
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Chemical assistance is temporary, at least for the most part.. you may be able to move past a plateau but you won't look the same or have the same kind of strength.
Yeah, I'm just talking about the look in general. Think Chris Cook earlier in his career.
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Yeah, I'm just talking about the look in general. Think Chris Cook earlier in his career.
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Pasty white guy...
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I personally don't care if I bench 2 plates, or 3, or 3 1/2
as long as I properly work the muscle and stimulate it to grow, I'm satisfied.
It all depends on what you're going for, some people look like crap and can bench 4 plates, others
will only bench 2 but look unreal in comparison.
So true..SO true..
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No, earlier in his career.