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The guy has major fan support right now and has a great posing routine to boot...
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Bob would get mad at shawn if he did.
But that is an awesome idea!
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do you know how much ala cart tickets are right now?
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That makes sense - let's fly the 8th place masters guy in and not Darrem Charles or any other top competitor.
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That makes sense - let's fly the 8th place masters guy in and not Darrem Charles or any other top competitor.
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The only people who had him in 8th place are Bob, Jim Manion, and third man in that menage-a-trois...
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That makes sense - let's fly the 8th place masters guy in and not Darrem Charles or any other top competitor.
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LIFT,
You claim to be a marketing/promotions guy.
In your expertise, do you disagree that as the most talked about name in this sport for the last week, Rusty would be a helluva draw? You cannot toe the company line that close, can you Isaac? There is major interest in this guy. Shawn should spring for the ticket and get Rusty in the show, where the fans all over the world would be GLUED to the their PCs to see if Rusty was a fluke, or if he's legit.
LIFT, there's less value around Darrem, despite his superior physique. But there is massive support for Rusty right now. He elicits an emotional response from the fan- something Charles just doesn't do.
Come on LIFT, you like to bust my marketing chops. Defend yours. Why is Darrem a bigger fan draw than Rusty right now, therefore more worthy of a plane ticket??
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i personally would never do to a show to see darremm charles. hes just biceps. and although people say hes a good poser..and i dont like hi routines.
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i personally would never do to a show to see darremm charles. hes just biceps. and although people say hes a good poser..and i dont like hi routines.
come on - give Darrem some love! His posing is art - his phyisque is poetry - and he's a cool guy. He might not be a Markus Ruhl, but to say he's all biceps is absurd.
(http://www.promuscleonline.com/events/Darrem_Guest_Pose_2003_files/image002.jpg)
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LIFT,
You claim to be a marketing/promotions guy.
In your expertise, do you disagree that as the most talked about name in this sport for the last week, Rusty would be a helluva draw? You cannot toe the company line that close, can you Isaac? There is major interest in this guy. Shawn should spring for the ticket and get Rusty in the show, where the fans all over the world would be GLUED to the their PCs to see if Rusty was a fluke, or if he's legit.
LIFT, there's less value around Darrem, despite his superior physique. But there is massive support for Rusty right now. He elicits an emotional response from the fan- something Charles just doesn't do.
Come on LIFT, you like to bust my marketing chops. Defend yours. Why is Darrem a bigger fan draw than Rusty right now, therefore more worthy of a plane ticket??
Contrary to the CLOWN CONSPIRACY theorists here, no I do not believe Rusty would be a "helluva draw". He may be the hot ticket for you to push your agenda this week but you'll move on to something else soon enough. Based on photos, yes I think Rusty should have been in the top 5, but that pales in comparison against Charles, Haidar, Heath, Henry and others in the lineup. No offense against Rusty, he looked good, not great but good. He's only a major interest to you and your insane internet clown posse. Hate to break it to ya, but flying Rusty out here would not draw more fans.
If you think Rusty Jeffers has more value then Darrem, you truly are delusional.Have you seen Darrem pose? Evidently not, his posing routine draws a crowd. While Rusty is a good poser, he's not a top competitor, plain and simple. Anyone who follows bodybuilding knows Darrem puts more fans in the seats then Rusty Jeffers.
I've got $100 says you have some new conspiracy theory after the Colorado Show, not matter what the results. Henry, Heath, charles - no matter who wins it you'll claim FIX - XYZ got hosed.
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Contrary to the CLOWN CONSPIRACY theorists here, no I do not believe Rusty would be a "helluva draw". He may be the hot ticket for you to push your agenda this week but you'll move on to something else soon enough. Based on photos, yes I think Rusty should have been in the top 5, but that pales in comparison against Charles, Haidar, Heath, Henry and others in the lineup. No offense against Rusty, he looked good, not great but good. He's only a major interest to you and your insane internet clown posse. Hate to break it to ya, but flying Rusty out here would not draw more fans.
If you think Rusty Jeffers has more value then Darrem, you truly are delusional.Have you seen Darrem pose? Evidently not, his posing routine draws a crowd. While Rusty is a good poser, he's not a top competitor, plain and simple. Anyone who follows bodybuilding knows Darrem puts more fans in the seats then Rusty Jeffers.
Isaac,
Chick-O The Clown is sad. He thinks you are falling in love with Darrem Charles and out of love with him. :'(
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does southwest fly there. those seats are cheap.
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All the faithful clowns of getbig should start a fund to fly Rusty to Colorado to compete.
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Hate to break it to ya, but flying Rusty out here would not draw more fans.
We'll have to disagree there, LIFT.
Rusty being in the show would be the news story of the week. As much as you've worked to hype the show- and it's a good show- the big news story right now is not the upcomoing COlo Pro.
And if you feel that Rusty being in the show would not generate revenue in excess of that plane ticket, you're extremely offbase and Shawn should reconsider his choice in who he goes to for advice. I could swing $2k in ad revenue for Shawn TODAY with a quick launch of the Rusty Statement Show- Letting the physiques do the talking at the Colorado Pro. I could swing $10K in ad revenue if Bob AND Rusty did the show.
Pit Rusty against Bob Chick in a rematch. You're insane to think that tickets wouldn't sell like crazy. Even if they ended up 4th and 5th. RUSTY is big news right now. Whether you want to admit it or not.
I know you're tied into the whole muscle beauty/respect thing, but I am in tune with the heartbeat of the fans, LIFT. Whether they agree or disagree- they respond emotionally. And that is where your ticket sales and web ad revenue is generated.
But what do I know? ;)
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LIFT, there's less value around Darrem, despite his superior physique. But there is massive support for Rusty right now. He elicits an emotional response from the fan- something Charles just doesn't do.
I agree. If the top draw is Darrem Charles, that's not going to get it done. Bringing in Rusty would add an element of interest. It may not equate to bigger ticket sales, but it would create a stir. There would also be extra pressure on the judges to give this guy some fair comparisons, since their questionable judging in NY has not gone unnoticed.
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I agree. If the top draw is Darrem Charles, that's not going to get it done. Bringing in Rusty would add an element of interest. It may not equate to bigger ticket sales, but it would create a stir. There would also be extra pressure on the judges to give this guy some fair comparisons, since their questionable judging in NY has not gone unnoticed.
Plus, with Rusty in the lineup, you could command MUCH more revenue for ad space and stage banner sales, as you could count on some seriously increased numbers of fan tune-ins.
LIFT, the ironic thing, is that this Rusty thing is a BLESSING to you. You're just too blind to embrace it.
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i though melvin was derrem and i dont think anybody in their right mind would fly market rate to denver colorado to see those two guys in a show.
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That makes sense - let's fly the 8th place masters guy in and not Darrem Charles or any other top competitor.
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You make it sound as if he deserved 8th place. Thats like saying "Lets get a guy who places low in pro shows and like a 16th in the Olympia (4 or so years ago) pay him $4.3mil and make him an "Athletes Rep" and be a spokesperson for BB.com!! Does that sound about right ::)!!
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That makes sense - let's fly the 8th place masters guy in and not Darrem Charles or any other top competitor.
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I'm sure the competitors you make sites for would appreciate you talking like that. Nice comment by an industry "insider".
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Plus, with Rusty in the lineup, you could command MUCH more revenue for ad space and stage banner sales, as you could count on some seriously increased numbers of fan tune-ins.
LIFT, the ironic thing, is that this Rusty thing is a BLESSING to you. You're just too blind to embrace it.
You're out of your mind. The guy placing 8th, 5th or even 2nd at the Master's show is not a big draw.
Phil Heath, Bill Willmore and Marcus Haley - USAs, Nationals and North American champions all battling against each other in their pro debts - now that is interesting.
Put your pipe down and move back to the X, Y or Z board where your logic makes sense.
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You're out of your mind. The guy placing 8th, 5th or even 2nd at the Master's show is not a big draw.
Phil Heath, Bill Willmore and Marcus Haley - USAs, Nationals and North American champions all battling against each other in their pro debts - now that is interesting.
Put your pipe down and move back to the X, Y or Z board where your logic makes sense.
But if Bob entered it would be a big draw??
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Promoters need to get smarter and capitalize when someone gets a groundswell of support as has happened this week.
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You're out of your mind. The guy placing 8th, 5th or even 2nd at the Master's show is not a big draw.
Phil Heath, Bill Willmore and Marcus Haley - USAs, Nationals and North American champions all battling against each other in their pro debts - now that is interesting.
Put your pipe down and move back to the X, Y or Z board where your logic makes sense.
in all honesty his physique is almost an excact replica of branch warrens...minus the big legs..but add in a smaller more taered waist.
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shawn would never have a ex porn star in his show with him being a good christian
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You're out of your mind. The guy placing 8th, 5th or even 2nd at the Master's show is not a big draw.
Phil Heath, Bill Willmore and Marcus Haley - USAs, Nationals and North American champions all battling against each other in their pro debts - now that is interesting.
Put your pipe down and move back to the X, Y or Z board where your logic makes sense.
LIFT, stop being small minded. We're not talking about rankings or past wins. We're talking about NEWS. People are going to watch current topics. Ask 100 getbiggers to tell us ANYTHING about Haley or WIllmore. Most can't, cause there is NO STORY. Ask 100 getbiggers who rusty is. I bet you 80 of them will give you a spirited response about who he is, what he does, and why they feel he was fairly/unfairly placed at a recent show.
LIFT, you're thinking INSIDE the box, man. You're basing your decision making process on old trends and predictable numbers. You're not taking into consideration the current mood of the sport. You're IGNORING the midset of your prospect/TARGET cutomer. WHy would you do this? WHy base your decisions upon athletes that won their pro card 14 months ago, instead of a guy that was arguably robbed LAST WEEK.
Who are the fans talking about, Isaac? THAT is what you should be marketing. I can't believe you're blind to these facts.
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LIFT, stop being small minded. We're not talking about rankings or past wins. We're talking about NEWS. People are going to watch current topics. Ask 100 getbiggers to tell us ANYTHING about Haley or WIllmore. Most can't, cause there is NO STORY. Ask 100 getbiggers who rusty is. I bet you 80 of them will give you a spirited response about who he is, what he does, and why they feel he was fairly/unfairly placed at a recent show.
LIFT, you're thinking INSIDE the box, man. You're basing your decision making process on old trends and predictable numbers. You're not taking into consideration the current mood of the sport. You're IGNORING the midset of your prospect/TARGET cutomer. WHy would you do this? WHy base your decisions upon athletes that won their pro card 14 months ago, instead of a guy that was arguably robbed LAST WEEK.
Who are the fans talking about, Isaac? THAT is what you should be marketing. I can't believe you're blind to these facts.
you gotta strike when/where the iron is hot afterall...
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Have Rusty enter the show since you've positioned yourself as the president of his fan club.
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Put your pipe down and move back to the X, Y or Z board where your logic makes sense.
By the way, isn't it ironic that LIFT, the established web/promotions guy in the BBing field, is resorting to insults like 'put down the pipe' and insulting the fans he's marketing to, when debating with an up-and-coming web/promotions guy?
Let's talk facts, LIFT. Let's talk 2006 fan mindset. Let's talk about why your marketing strategy does not take current events into account. Let's talk about why there are 10,000 posts about Rusty and zero about Willmore/Haley, and why your promotional activites are not taking this into consideration. If I was Shawn or any shareholder in this event, I'd be doing a little thinking this am.
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Have Rusty enter the show since you've positioned yourself as the president of his fan club.
Shit i'd put $20 towards a ticket for the guy to get there... If he stayed on his diet and came in 5% sharper he'd stir up the pot
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There is much more beyond the bodybuilding competition...
UFC pros, AFC fighters, Strongman competition, FREE Strength & Fitness EXPO and the chance to win an H3!
You can see all the details at:
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Nice commercial. But you are avoiding the discussion. I repeat:
Let's talk facts, LIFT. Let's talk 2006 fan mindset. Let's talk about why your marketing strategy does not take current events into account. Let's talk about why there are 10,000 posts about Rusty and zero about Willmore/Haley, and why your promotional activites are not taking this into consideration. If I was Shawn or any shareholder in this event, I'd be doing a little thinking this am.
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Nice commercial. But you are avoiding the discussion. I repeat:
Let's talk facts, LIFT. Let's talk 2006 fan mindset. Let's talk about why your marketing strategy does not take current events into account. Let's talk about why there are 10,000 posts about Rusty and zero about Willmore/Haley, and why your promotional activites are not taking this into consideration. If I was Shawn or any shareholder in this event, I'd be doing a little thinking this am.
Here we go with the business high horse...
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No wonder why bodybuilders and their shows make zero dollars......Dumb people like Lift Studios have no sense when it comes to marketing at all. No idea even how to market himself.
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No wonder why bodybuilders and their shows make zero dollars......Dumb people like Lift Studios have no sense when it comes to marketing at all. No idea even how to market himself.
Thanks for the insight Mr. Adonis
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No wonder why bodybuilders and their shows make zero dollars......Dumb people like Lift Studios have no sense when it comes to marketing at all. No idea even how to market himself.
But Isaac waxes his chest. Doesn't that count for anything?
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LIFT, you have argued every statement I made.
Then when I started with legitimate marketing strategy points, you have resorted to ignoring the question and instead posting ads for the show?
This show is very important. Already, it will be a close call for Shawn to break even on the event in its first year with its high prize monies. Why would you not even consider the fact that the return on a round trip plane ticket for one guy would be greater than its cost, and likely INCREASE show ticket and ad revenues?
There is a very good chance Shawn would make MORE money with Jeffers in the show. I can't believe you're ignoring this fact.
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LIFT, you have argued every statement I made.
Then when I started with legitimate marketing strategy points, you have resorted to ignoring the question and instead posting ads for the show?
This show is very important. Already, it will be a close call for Shawn to break even on the event in its first year with its high prize monies. Why would you not even consider the fact that the return on a round trip plane ticket for one guy would be greater than its cost, and likely INCREASE show ticket and ad revenues?
There is a very good chance Shawn would make MORE money with Jeffers in the show. I can't believe you're ignoring this fact.
Jeffers has a handful of fans compared to Bob. And half of Jeffers fans now didn't know him before this past week.
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Jeffers has a handful of fans compared to Bob. And half of Jeffers fans now didn't know him before this past week.
Correct. BEFORE this past week. But TODAY, Jeffers' 8th place at the Masters is the most talked about topic on the boards.
Jeffers possesses some great inherent value for the promoter of the next show he enters.
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Correct. BEFORE this past week. But TODAY, Jeffers' 8th place at the Masters is the most talked about topic on the boards.
Jeffers possesses some great inherent value for the promoter of the next show he enters.
You're right, it is the most talked about by a handful of people who rant incoherently all the time anyway. And among those rants, the majority of participants agree that Bob was the rightful winner.
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I have to side with the Lift/Shawn side on this debate. Speaking as a fan not going to the show, I'd be curious to see how Rusty compares with the guys in this show, but it certainly wouldn't make a difference to me in determining whether I'd go to the show. And I highly doubt that having Rusty in the show makes any difference to anyone who hasn't decided to go or not. Rusty doesn't have fans...he has RELATIVE FANS -- people who think he got gypped, but not people who'd pay to see him. Truth be told, he probably wouldn't even get a callout...I mean if he got 8th in the Masters, he'd be a lock for deadlast at the CPro. So having him on the webcast wouldn't make a difference since he'd just be a guy standing in the back row getting ignored again.
Plus, as Lift pointed out, it would be a gargantuan slap in the face to established pros like Darrem and Ahmed to have to fork over their own fares and have a guy on Chick's level get a freebie.
The real question is whether Chick will place top 10 at the Olympia riding all of this "Momentum"
Special "Single Bullet Theory" Ed
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Hey Lift - Who's competiting in the strongman competition? Is Hugo Girard going to be there?
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I have to side with the Lift/Shawn side on this debate. Speaking as a fan not going to the show, I'd be curious to see how Rusty compares with the guys in this show, but it certainly wouldn't make a difference to me in determining whether I'd go to the show. And I highly doubt that having Rusty in the show makes any difference to anyone who hasn't decided to go or not. Rusty doesn't have fans...he has RELATIVE FANS -- people who think he got gypped, but not people who'd pay to see him. Truth be told, he probably wouldn't even get a callout...I mean if he got 8th in the Masters, he'd be a lock for deadlast at the CPro. So having him on the webcast wouldn't make a difference since he'd just be a guy standing in the back row getting ignored again.
Plus, as Lift pointed out, it would be a gargantuan slap in the face to established pros like Darrem and Ahmed to have to fork over their own fares and have a guy on Chick's level get a freebie.
The real question is whether Chick will place top 10 at the Olympia riding all of this "Momentum"
Special "Single Bullet Theory" Ed
Bob making the top 10 is quite a stretch, but the lineup in the Masters favored Bob. Jeffers himself would get clobbered in Vegas.
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LIFT, you have argued every statement I made.
Then when I started with legitimate marketing strategy points, you have resorted to ignoring the question and instead posting ads for the show?
This show is very important. Already, it will be a close call for Shawn to break even on the event in its first year with its high prize monies. Why would you not even consider the fact that the return on a round trip plane ticket for one guy would be greater than its cost, and likely INCREASE show ticket and ad revenues?
There is a very good chance Shawn would make MORE money with Jeffers in the show. I can't believe you're ignoring this fact.
You're basing your "marketing strategy" based off from your crusade here on getbig. Where were you boys at MD? They are based in New York, yet you failed to mention one thing about them not covering the event on their site.
You have no clue on any of the financials, whether it will be a close call for Shawn or not, so please stop trying to flatter yourself and think you do. Take a poll of the bodybuilding fans and ask them if they would fly to see Rusty Jeffers compete, sadly most would say Rusty who? Hate to break it to you marketing genius but Rusty Jeffers won't get more people in the seats. Street teams, local marketing, local PR will get more people attending the show.
You think anyone who reads getbig sees, wow that Rusty Jeffers guy is in the Colorado show, I better buy a ticket, book my hotel, book my flight and go see him compete?
Your MBA obviously didn't help you in the common sense area of life.
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I agree with you entirely, 240!
Jeffers is top news at present and I'd drive a few hundred miles to see how he looks and how the judges place him in this one.
It's not just Jeffers who would draw a good crowd but the whole "how are they gonna rank him this time" sort of thing. It's an EVENT that everyone (pro and con) appears to be interested in at present.
In fact, 240, if I was a promoter I'd even have a "Never a Bridesmaid" consolidation and offer a yearly invite with expenses paid to any competitor who runs into a similar situation just to see if all the hype is accurate and how it will be handled in another venue.
It would also serve to prove if Rusty really is as great as his photos apparently claim him to be.
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Lift,
I have an MBA and I will tell you definitively you are missing a major point here. "It's not the steak that sells, its the sizzle". In this case, the "steak" would be the pros, and the "sizzle" would be the contraversy. You're right, nobody is booking a plane ticket to see Rusty any more than they are booking a plane ticket to see your companion Darrem, but they want entertainment, and contraversy. Simply parading a bunch of oiled up muscleboys and ranking them appeals to very few (usually the closeted gay writers and judges of the sport.)
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count me in for $20
240, start up a paypal account and lets see what happens
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Sparing in the AFC cage? Like can anyone show up, or is it just AFC competitors....
Riggs isn't a top pro btw, but maybe he can pick up some diuretics tips from the bodybuilders in attendance... I hear he wants to hit the 155 division now ;D.
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count me in for $20
240, start up a paypal account and lets see what happens
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I contacted Rusty about it. If he accepts and Shawn extends an invitation (even without the plane ticket), I will start a page about it and everyone who donates will assign a username. All funds will be listed as they come in on a live board, and I won't make a penny off it. I'll also create a paypal account just for it, and we will reimburse Rusty once plane ticket is purchased (or buy it for him). This could be interesting! If a lot of us just give a little, Rusty could be the first fan-sponsored athlete!
Also, if it ends or doesn't happen for some reason, everyone gets their money refunded via the Paypal refund option immediately, so no funds are lost. I will make zero off of this, and will make all donation records public. I'll even let ROn run the thing for integrity purposes, if you guys prefer.
This could get interesting ;)
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I agree he put on a great show.
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Will the fans also cover the guys food/lodging as well? I'm sure it costs more than a plane ticket to compete in a bodybuilding show.
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Yeah, if Rusty & Shawn both agree, I'll call Ron and get him to learn the approximate numbers needed for complete plane tix (Rusty + guest?) and food/lodging. We'll set a donation ceiling/cutoff that we MUST have to compete, and get rusty. No compete, no pay. This could be cool!
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all of you MOFO running around kicking up dust because Rusty got robbed!
here your chance to show him your support:
a 20 spot won't break the bank!!!
DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
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Hey guys, here is the official statement from Shawn:
"Hello all, this is Shawn Raye, due to technical reason we cannot add someone that the fans want to see. It is late in the game and this may interrupt the preparation of Darrem and Phil Heath.
Mr. Weider..I mean the board members of the Colorado Pro has decided that wearing a mustache is against the rules and regulations. And besides this will cause a rift between Bob Chick and myself, I love that dude."
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I'm in for $40 if I can mail you the check. I have problems with Pay Pal on my computer for some reason, but you can trust me to send that 40 if you send me an address before this Saturday, 22 April, because I go on a big blue boat on the 23rd.
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I'm in for $40 if I can mail you the check. I have problems with Pay Pal on my computer for some reason, but you can trust me to send that 40 if you send me an address before this Saturday, 22 April, because I go on a big blue boat on the 23rd.
okay. everyone hold tight until we have total confirmation from everyone, and until rusty buys ticket/hotel room (or we paypal it for him) no funds will go anywhere.
Rusty could be the first athlete every to be sponsored entirely by the fans!
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okay. everyone hold tight until we have total confirmation from everyone, and until rusty buys ticket/hotel room (or we paypal it for him) no funds will go anywhere.
Rusty could be the first athlete every to be sponsored entirely by the fans!
Wow, you guys really need a life.
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i feel sorry for the old hooker but i aint about to enable the old fart
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im sorry but as lift said...rusty who ? Bob won the show...there seems to be beef with the judging...wow...theres something new. im sorry 240 and others if you think there wont be any judging problems in the pdi.......hate to break it to you now...but there will be.
On the other note...i would gladly donate money to see kamali compete in shawns show...i suggest we start this drive, and see where it goes...it has a better chance of success imo. heres 30.00 donation to the KAMALI FUND. who wouldnt want to see shawn hand king a check as the overall winner.
hey disgusted...talk to your boy...start a thread and see where it goes.....
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One thing that people seem to be forgetting, there were no mass monsters in the Masters World.
Now I think Rusty's physique is the type that should be winning the top contests. That the judges should penalize those with grainy skin and GH gut. That if physiques like Rusty's were winning the top contests, bodybuilding would be more popular.
But only because there were no mass monsters in the line-up did we even notice Rusty's physique.
In Colorado, the big boys will be there, and it's unlikely that Rusty would crack the top 10.
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By the way, isn't it ironic that LIFT, the established web/promotions guy in the BBing field, is resorting to insults like 'put down the pipe' and insulting the fans he's marketing to, when debating with an up-and-coming web/promotions guy?
This is definitely the most ironic and moronic thing I have ever read.
You are the king of this kind of stuff.
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Just my opinion but I hwould rather see Rusty guest pose than Darrem. Darrem would just be another off season pro bodybuilder. Rusty would be in shape, plus the main thing would be that here is a guy who is over 40 and has an outstanding physique that many guys in the audience could better relate to. He is an oddity so to speak. Not many guys his age can look like that.
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We'll have to disagree there, LIFT.
Rusty being in the show would be the news story of the week. As much as you've worked to hype the show- and it's a good show- the big news story right now is not the upcomoing COlo Pro.
And if you feel that Rusty being in the show would not generate revenue in excess of that plane ticket, you're extremely offbase and Shawn should reconsider his choice in who he goes to for advice. I could swing $2k in ad revenue for Shawn TODAY with a quick launch of the Rusty Statement Show- Letting the physiques do the talking at the Colorado Pro. I could swing $10K in ad revenue if Bob AND Rusty did the show.
Pit Rusty against Bob Chick in a rematch. You're insane to think that tickets wouldn't sell like crazy. Even if they ended up 4th and 5th. RUSTY is big news right now. Whether you want to admit it or not.
I know you're tied into the whole muscle beauty/respect thing, but I am in tune with the heartbeat of the fans, LIFT. Whether they agree or disagree- they respond emotionally. And that is where your ticket sales and web ad revenue is generated.
But what do I know? ;)
Ok first off it is highly UNlikely Bob Chic will compete at the Colorado pro. Plus, unless it is a MASTERS pro meet it is UNlikely Rusty J will have a shot at the top 5. Those that plan on going to the Colorado pro (or not), won't be swayed by any large numbers over Rusty being on stage against some top pros.
Chic won,no matter what anyone else thinks that ias the final result, a rematch next year at the same show could be some hype , I agree with that. Rusty will end up being yet another footnote and trivia question related to the endless controversial decisions in bodybuilding history.We all agree he should have placed much higher, but, none of us judged and many of us were NOT even at the show. No offense , but, get over it and lets us look fwd to a great 2006
season.
Howard
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helen keller could have judged and bob would still win
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Just my opinion but I hwould rather see Rusty guest pose than Darrem. Darrem would just be another off season pro bodybuilder. Rusty would be in shape, plus the main thing would be that here is a guy who is over 40 and has an outstanding physique that many guys in the audience could better relate to. He is an oddity so to speak. Not many guys his age can look like that.
Very true, sir.
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Correct. BEFORE this past week. But TODAY, Jeffers' 8th place at the Masters is the most talked about topic on the boards.
Jeffers possesses some great inherent value for the promoter of the next show he enters.
This is a decent idea, excet one simple fact. How many guys here talking this up will actually show up in Denver and buy a ticket to the show? Understand ::)
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i personally would never do to a show to see darremm charles. hes just biceps. and although people say hes a good poser..and i dont like hi routines.
And you're just a fat, loudmouthed, teenaged slob.
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HAHA that's actually funny Keith. You're on a roll today - posting up a comedic photo and agreeing with me on some points. Are you suffering from a fever? :)
There's plenty to do in the Denver area in May. There is a baseball game on Sunday, the mountains are an hour away and the weather is great. It's a first year show and we're all certain some things will work, others may not but no one can accuse Shawn of not backing up his mouth on this one.
I spoke with Steve McAdams today, he is handling the stage production with plasma screens and video projection. Anyone who has seen his BodyRock shows knows he does an excellent job with the production.
Feel better Keith. ;)
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The same head judge from the Masters is working the Colorado Pro
;D now thats funny!
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oh yeah body rock ..a limited financially successful show
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HAHA that's actually funny Keith. You're on a roll today - posting up a comedic photo and agreeing with me on some points. Are you suffering from a fever? :)
There's plenty to do in the Denver area in May. There is a baseball game on Sunday, the mountains are an hour away and the weather is great. It's a first year show and we're all certain some things will work, others may not but no one can accuse Shawn of not backing up his mouth on this one.
I spoke with Steve McAdams today, he is handling the stage production with plasma screens and video projection. Anyone who has seen his BodyRock shows knows he does an excellent job with the production.
Feel better Keith. ;)
Again, who's competing at the Strongman portion of the Shawn Ray Classic? Is Hugo Girard going to be there?
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not sure who will be there for the strongman contest and what is will consist of
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Has Shawn commented on an invite for Rusty for the Colorado Pro? I have PMs up to $200 pledging to Rusty's cause if he chooses to do it and Shawn invites him.
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not sure who will be there for the strongman contest and what is will consist of
If it's anything like the other shows it'll be the highlight of the entire weekend!
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Has Shawn commented on an invite for Rusty for the Colorado Pro? I have PMs up to $200 pledging to Rusty's cause if he chooses to do it and Shawn invites him.
Yea but there are pros that are better than tier 3 that are competiting, unlike the Masters. So he wouldn't do well.
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Heck, a Jeffers 8th place showing at a regular IFBB show would STILL be an improvement over his 8th in the watered down Masters Pro.
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Is 8th place gonna get you endorsements or any kind of reward? What's in it for him?
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Is 8th place gonna get you endorsements or any kind of reward? What's in it for him?
A chance to be judged fairly. And I have nothing to gain in all this. I am just tired of seeing the judges hand shows to company men like Bob without fair comparisons to banned competitors like Rusty.
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Getting screwed over at the Master's could end up being the best thing that could happen to Rusty. He has basically quadrupled his fan base in the past week.
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240, anyone who is a Card carrying IFBB member can compete in my show, there are not Special Invites.'I haven;t spoken to Rusty regarding my show or if he is even interested so I assume as the promoter, since I haven't heard him express any interest that your blowing in the wind...........AGAIN.
Turn the page please.
Peace,
S. Ray
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240, anyone who is a Card carrying IFBB member can compete in my show, there are not Special Invites.'I haven;t spoken to Rusty regarding my show or if he is even interested so I assume as the promoter, since I haven't heard him express any interest that your blowing in the wind...........AGAIN.
Turn the page please.
Peace,
S. Ray
werd :)
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Has Shawn commented on an invite for Rusty for the Colorado Pro? I have PMs up to $200 pledging to Rusty's cause if he chooses to do it and Shawn invites him.
This is an interesting idea. I think I might donate the 20 if the we get verification that Jeffers will compete. I agree with you - who wants to see the same pros over and over again? Jeffers adds a whole new element.
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If Jeffers places in the top ten, he will get $1,000 minimum. That will more than cover his flight, etc...
But Rusty Jeffers first must want to compete at the Colorado Pro!
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240, anyone who is a Card carrying IFBB member can compete in my show, there are not Special Invites.'I haven;t spoken to Rusty regarding my show or if he is even interested so I assume as the promoter, since I haven't heard him express any interest that your blowing in the wind...........AGAIN.
Turn the page please.
Peace,
S. Ray
Shawn we know the guy is allowed to compete in your show if he wants to. That isn't what we're talking about...
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IM AMAZED AT THE AMOUNT OF POST RON HAS AND HE WAS PROABALY THE FIRST GETBIG MEMBER
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So........has Rusty been contacted yet ???
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So........has Rusty been contacted yet ???
I emailed him. No response yet. Milos, you know him, right? Rusty have any interest?
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DO NOT TRUST PAYPAL WITH YOUR MONEY. EVER.
That is all.
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DO NOT TRUST PAYPAL WITH YOUR MONEY. EVER.
That is all.
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DO NOT TRUST PAYPAL WITH YOUR MONEY. EVER.
That is all.
$20 is really gonna break the bank
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but I am in tune with the heartbeat of the fans
How do you know this?
YIP
Zack
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$20 is really gonna break the bank
It's not about an individual 20 dollars.
Let's say a pledge of $25 apiece is made by 30 individuals. Rusty then books both his flight and hotel room on the expectation of receiving $750 (less Paypal fees) in fan sponsorship. Then, for whatever reason, Paypal decides to freeze the account.
For those who are unaware, when this happens - and it happens quite often - Paypal does *not* automatically return the funds to the senders. It usually takes a few weeks to resolve issues on frozen accounts, but it can take months. The only remedy is to have paid by credit card, as you can then reverse the charge on your credit card and stick them with a chargeback.
If something like this should happen (a possibility you have to take into consideration), then who would be liable for honoring the $750 pledge to Rusty?
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It's not about an individual 20 dollars.
Let's say a pledge of $25 apiece is made by 30 individuals. Rusty then books both his flight and hotel room on the expectation of receiving $750 (less Paypal fees) in fan sponsorship. Then, for whatever reason, Paypal decides to freeze the account.
For those who are unaware, when this happens - and it happens quite often - Paypal does *not* automatically return the funds to the senders. It usually takes a few weeks to resolve issues on frozen accounts, but it can take months. The only remedy is to have paid by credit card, as you can then reverse the charge on your credit card and stick them with a chargeback.
If something like this should happen (a possibility you have to take into consideration), then who would be liable for honoring the $750 pledge to Rusty?
How about this
240 is pushing this campaign so Rob fronts all the money. That way Rusty has a guarantee income for the show/hotel/etc and then Getbiggers who support this, send the money to paypal and 240 can recoup his expenses from this. Any extra income gets donated to charity.
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How about this
240 is pushing this campaign so Rob fronts all the money. That way Rusty has a guarantee income for the show/hotel/etc and then Getbiggers who support this, send the money to paypal and 240 can recoup his expenses from this. Any extra income gets donated to charity.
man I use paypal all the time and never had any problems...
get rusty to set up an account so the cash goes straight to him.
the guy deserves another stage showing this year and he should have won some prize money in NY to finance it...
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man I use paypal all the time and never had any problems...
get rusty to set up an account so the cash goes straight to him.
the guy deserves another stage showing this year and he should have won some prize money in NY to finance it...
I have never had any problems either with Paypal. I don't think Rusty needs to worry about the money coming in or not. what is he going to do if Getbig comes up short? Besides this is an outside distraction that he really doesn't need. I guess this a call to Rob to put his money where his mouth is.
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I have never had any problems either with Paypal. I don't think Rusty needs to worry about the money coming in or not. what is he going to do if Getbig comes up short? Besides this is an outside distraction that he really doesn't need. I guess this a call to Rob to put his money where his mouth is.
Did you read the original post, dear? I said we'd get Ron and Rusty to agree upon a number that would work and Rusty would agree formally. If the donations didn't add up to enough, and Rusty chose not to enter, we'd use the paypal refund option and everyone gets their dough back. Is the concept too confusing for you?
Also, PayPal and schmoe sites clash bigtime. Anytime you show skin and border on sex sites, paypal can often freeze it. What some FBBs consider fitness & art, the PayPal board considers smut/offensive.
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We'll have to disagree there, LIFT.
Rusty being in the show would be the news story of the week. As much as you've worked to hype the show- and it's a good show- the big news story right now is not the upcomoing COlo Pro.
And if you feel that Rusty being in the show would not generate revenue in excess of that plane ticket, you're extremely offbase and Shawn should reconsider his choice in who he goes to for advice. I could swing $2k in ad revenue for Shawn TODAY with a quick launch of the Rusty Statement Show- Letting the physiques do the talking at the Colorado Pro. I could swing $10K in ad revenue if Bob AND Rusty did the show.
Pit Rusty against Bob Chick in a rematch. You're insane to think that tickets wouldn't sell like crazy. Even if they ended up 4th and 5th. RUSTY is big news right now. Whether you want to admit it or not.
I know you're tied into the whole muscle beauty/respect thing, but I am in tune with the heartbeat of the fans, LIFT. Whether they agree or disagree- they respond emotionally. And that is where your ticket sales and web ad revenue is generated.
But what do I know? ;)
A guy who whacked it on film and placed 8th at a Masters show because of it (it wasn't even the Masters O) is big news??? ::)
I know they done him wrong but please a little perspective girls and boys.
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Big draw? Hahahahahaha. Big draw in bodybuilding means 50 people might come to a contest to see somebody. Give me a break ::)
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big draw? that's shows a failure already
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Chick should compete in the show too. Chick Vs. Rusty round 2. It would be the talk of the boards for months. If he really wants to silence the critics - that's the way to do it. I doubt he'd take the risk though.
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Chick should compete in the show too. Chick Vs. Rusty round 2. It would be the talk of the boards for months. If he really wants to silence the critics - that's the way to do it. I doubt he'd take the risk though.
I agree 1000%.
Unfortunately, "experts" like Lift claim that fans are only excited about a Darrem vs. Haider showdown
::)
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I agree 1000%.
Unfortunately, "experts" like Lift claim that fans are only excited about a Darrem vs. Haider showdown
::)
HAHAHAHA Darrem vs. Haider? There is no backstory. Bleh.
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Imagine 240 how much talk there would be if Bob entered the show to prove his victory was legit. The story would blow up. It would go down in the annuls of Getbig history. Bob should at least do it for Sean. I mean obviosly Sean needs help with promotion - who host a show in Colorado? ::)
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It'll be cool to see is Dave Henry can bring a lifetime best condition. It'll be cool to see how Heath looks after bulking up, and to see if Chad Nicholls was right that "Heath isn't ready yet!". It'll be cool to see Haley's first show after the manslaughter accident in Florida, and if he'll carry himself differently. Haider- will he bring up his game in this reduced field and grab his first win? He'll certainly be pulling out all the stops. And Arntz- is this for real? What'll be in those shoulders? I know we're all looking fwd to the pics. And of course, Strydom's comeback. This will be good!
Wait, I'm doing LIFT's job now haha...
Add Rusty to the mix... NOW we have a feelgood story for this show!
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They should hire you 240! You're an idea man.
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I agree 1000%.
Unfortunately, "experts" like Lift claim that fans are only excited about a Darrem vs. Haider showdown
::)
why did they focus group that match up?
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Also, PayPal and schmoe sites clash bigtime. Anytime you show skin and border on sex sites, paypal can often freeze it. What some FBBs consider fitness & art, the PayPal board considers smut/offensive.
True, in general, but we're doing really well with Paypal (you would not believe the number of people they've successfully enslaved) - we just make sure that the Paypal junkies pay an added premium for choosing that billing option. ;)
Of course, the trouble all begins and ends with VISA, but that's a story for another day.
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Should be good show.
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I laughed so hard when I saw the title of this thread. Sahwn and smart in the same sentance. Now that is one of the funniest posts ever in Getbig history ;D
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I laughed so hard when I saw the title of this thread. Sahwn and smart in the same sentance. Now that is one of the funniest posts ever in Getbig history ;D
Not nearly as funny as your business savvy. How'd that go, something like don't promote the show with a prize because the prize has to go up every year. BRILLIANT ::) You could save hundreds of promoters all over the country currently making the same mistake!!! LOL...
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Of course, the trouble all begins and ends with VISA, but that's a story for another day.
If you're addressing the paypal adult trouble, it started with the feds bribing paypal to change their terms of use regarding mature material in exchange for dropping violations against the patriot act with their support of on-line gambling sites. But of course I can't confirm the truth to that. ;) ;) ;)
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Not nearly as funny as your business savvy. How'd that go, something like don't promote the show with a prize because the prize has to go up every year. BRILLIANT ::) You could save hundreds of promoters all over the country currently making the same mistake!!! LOL...
Yea something like that ::) Um spend $30,000 on a Hummer for the first show. Already over budget. Let anyone who comes to the show enter to win for free. Be sure not to even charge to go into the expo. Expo space costs money. Um another good business move. Pay hard cash for the Hummer. Don't get it Free or at least dealers cost for trade for advertising and promotion. Have a autograph signing at the dealership. Include them in the poster. Trade for value save $30,000 still get Hummer. UM another good business move. So far you are doing a great job. Keep it up. Hang in there and be sure to buy Shawn's DVD on show promotion and how to save money on a show. Or his other big selling DVD, how to ream sponsors into paying for everything, but for only one show. Cause after this fiasco.................. . well we'll see won't we. But so far it loks great. At least he is taking care of the competitors. Oh, that's not being done either. Well I'm sure somewhere in this clusterfuck something is good.
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Not nearly as funny as your business savvy. How'd that go, something like don't promote the show with a prize because the prize has to go up every year. BRILLIANT ::) You could save hundreds of promoters all over the country currently making the same mistake!!! LOL...
Brutal consulting advice ;D
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well we'll see won't we. But so far it loks great.
This of course coming from a guy that recommends people take a 2 day train trip to save 100 bucks. Yea we'll see I guess..
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This of course coming from a guy that recommends people take a 2 day train trip to save 100 bucks. Yea we'll see I guess..
Taking two days to save 100 bucks? Brutal transportation and logistics ;D
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denver is a loser location for this kind of thing. unless you're already stuck there.
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denver is a loser location for this kind of thing. unless you're already stuck there.
Bigdumbbell :P