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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Matt C on April 19, 2006, 01:03:42 PM
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Check it out on bodybuilding pro.com.
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how much did haney weigh in 85? Funny how they all look "skinny" now--the mass monsters have changed everything.
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Skinny!
You mean how they all look symmetrical with tiny waists
Skinny lol
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He was announced as 5'11 and 242. There were some mistakes in the DVD though, so that weight may be off. As for 242 pounds, that is more appropriate for 5'9 and under these days, e.g., Victor Martinez competes around that weight at 5'9 in similar if not better condition than Haney.
Mike Christian was the biggest man on stage at 6'1 and 245. He was an ironage mass monster - and much smaller than those of today. He tried to do Sergio's myth pose in the DVD, but it wasn't shown from the front unfortunately. Ronnie also attempted it in 2003 as ND pointed out.
well, jay cutler is 5'9 265 in better condition than either Haney or Martinez. Mike Christian didn't have Oliva's crazy quad sweep or shoulder to waist ratio. If Ronnie hit it right, I think he has the mass and proportions to make the Myth's "Victory" pose work.
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well, jay cutler is 5'9 265 in better condition than either Haney or Martinez. Mike Christian didn't have Oliva's crazy quad sweep or shoulder to waist ratio. If Ronnie hit it right, I think he has the mass and proportions to make the Myth's "Victory" pose work.
Cutler was more conditioned in 01 when he failed the direutic test and since then his thick gh skin has kept him from looking like a top conditioned pro.
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No problem Sean. There are more to come.
It brings up the question: what has changed in bodybuilding? Has training or nutrition really evolved that much in only 20 years? I would have to say it strictly relates to ergogenics. I think Dorian ushered in the era of increased chemical usage in bodybuilding.
From the looks of things, the guys in Pumping Iron ate huge and trained like animals. Just as pros do now, so what changed? I open this up for discussion.
Look at how many vials Jay has in his fridge.
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Nutrition and legal supps have come very far in terms of info and the science behind it, training though has and always will come down to how your body responds to different exercises (how often do you hear about that new exercise that builds muscle faster and better then ever).
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Matt, I'm sure there's anecdotal evidence about when diuretic use peaked in bb . . . seems like the sharpest guys appeared on the scene at the time diuretics were knocking out a bunch of other competitors.
Another correlation might exist between the increase in leg mass that occurred in the 90s and the level of abdominal distention/development.
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Its a wonder how they could treat this guy so bad!!!! >:(
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Another correlation might exist between the increase in leg mass that occurred in the 90s and the level of abdominal distention/development.
Which do you like big legs big gut or small cut legs and wispy waist, anyway you know that not all the distention is from the bigger legs (Gunter is a good example of bigger waist from legs and gustavo from gh)
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I think it comes down to predisposition and stress. I don't think the above mentioned guys had the predisposition so no amount of stress could cause them abdominal issues.
Same goes for Gunter and hair loss. Some start losing their hair at 18 or even younger. But some like Gunter can juice for years and still have a full head of hair. You can't accelerate hair loss through gear if the predisposition doesn't exist. The guys mentioned above would probably never have any distention issues no matter what. On the other hand, those predisposed have had issues in the modern era. What the stressor is not exactly known. Possibly drugs, training routines (heavy squats), or both.
You've posted pics of flex with a distended abdomen . . . and I'm positive i've seen the same with levrone. But i think you have apoint with the heavy squats . . . Arnold claimed that it would have that effect in his encyclopedia.
And I have a feeling that ronnie's workouts look very different from Platz's/Wheeler's. a nd apparently Fux liked to go heavy too.
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It's hard to say, really. Though I do think that the use of insulin and extremely high hGH dosages have really marred everyones physique. The washed out abdominals, the distention, etc. Overuse of diuretics really kills the look of some of these guys come contest day as well.
As far as nutrition goes, the importance doesn't seem to get placed here like it used to, with the chemical side of things taking priority. Just look at all of the detail and definition that you see in the physiques of the guys on the older videos (not to mention shape, proportion, etc.).
There it is, from someone who would know. :)
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You've posted pics of flex with a distended abdomen . . . and I'm positive i've seen the same with levrone. But i think you have apoint with the heavy squats . . . Arnold claimed that it would have that effect in his encyclopedia.
And I have a feeling that ronnie's workouts look very different from Platz's/Wheeler's. a nd apparently Fux liked to go heavy too.
You can't forget the diff in offseason weight between the old and the new, you cant be almost 300lbs and then show up 240-245 with a small waist.
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I think it comes down to predisposition and stress. I don't think the above mentioned guys had the predisposition so no amount of stress could cause them abdominal issues.
Same goes for Gunter and hair loss. Some start losing their hair at 18 or even younger. But some like Gunter can juice for years and still have a full head of hair. You can't accelerate hair loss through gear if the predisposition doesn't exist. The guys mentioned above would probably never have any distention issues no matter what. On the other hand, those predisposed have had issues in the modern era. What the stressor is not exactly known. Possibly drugs, training routines (heavy squats), or both.
Ronnie was not predisposed to a big gut in fact he had one of the smallest waists for a Pro , the drugs are causing giant distended guts its not squats , Mike Francios regually squatted with 675lbs and he didn't have any gut problems , same with Cormier , its all got to do with a combo of drugs .
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There it is, from someone who would know. :)
I'm assuming you have the computer personnel at your office give you regular physicals? ::)
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Ronnie was not predisposed to a big gut in fact he had one of the smallest waists for a Pro , the drugs are causing giant distended guts its not squats , Mike Francios regually squatted with 675lbs and he didn't have any gut problems , same with Cormier , its all got to do with a combo of drugs .
so what's ronnie on that cormier's not on?
I think off-season weight probably does have something to do with it.
No one's been lifting heavy for as long as ronnie has.
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so what's ronnie on that cormier's not on?
I think off-season weight probably does have something to do with it.
No one's been lifting heavy for as long as ronnie has.
Good question and since no Pro is going to 100% honest with what he is taking all we can do is speculate .
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i miss those 80,s bodybuilding shows,bodybuilders looked better and healthier at that time imo
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You can't forget the diff in offseason weight between the old and the new, you cant be almost 300lbs and then show up 240-245 with a small waist.
dude ur wrong.ronnie once said this on bigroncoleman.com some 2 or 3 years ago that he became as heavy as 300lbs in 1998 when he was preparing for olympia 1998 and onstage ronnie was 248lbs of ripped muscle with the smallest gut on stage.....so i don't think ur can't come in ripped condition even being 300lbs offseason...ronnie is a perfect example.......
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Whatever you do, don't use the word "moderate" when describing the pros of past! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Ronnie was not predisposed to a big gut in fact he had one of the smallest waists for a Pro , the drugs are causing giant distended guts its not squats , Mike Francios regually squatted with 675lbs and he didn't have any gut problems , same with Cormier , its all got to do with a combo of drugs .
WOW...Ronnie looks like a better version of Darrem Charles in that pic (with the split Bi's) and insane taper. He ruined his physique in order to play the mass game and was rewarded for it with several (count em 8) O's.
The only way to turn back is give the O to someone like Darrem or the blade or Vince T....so that everyone has to change back the way they train and prepare their physiques.
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I think the major difference in physiques today versus those of the 80s and early 90s is their training styles. Back then, the name of the game was high volume, high reps, and moderate weight. A lot of the smaller more symetrical bb were just pumpers by todays standards.
As Bob Chick pointed out on bb radio, it was Dorian Yates that changed bodybuilding forever. Dorian's training style popularized the notion of heavy max weights with lower reps and fewer sets. Now before you chalk this up to Mentzer, consider also Dorian's own unique invention - the 70 degree underhand grip barbell row. If you watch older videos of Haney and Gaspari and look at pictures of Arnold doing t-bar, they performed these exercises with their body parralel to the floor. They were so hunched over that they could only put 25's on the bar because 45's would hit their chest. By modifying the style of back training, heavy weights were possible and more muscle was built. Consider the way Ronnie does t-bar rows. He's pretty much standing straight up and can lift a shit-load of weight (600+ i believe).
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In even more recent times, the increase in size is due in large part to a resurgence of powerlifting movements. Today, far more pros are doing deadlifts and low rep sets. Drugs must play some role, but training style and the complete reinventing of back training by Dorian Yates had a large impact.
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Good post. After franco no one did them intensely until yates and francois who brought the lift back into fashion. Since deadlifts are perhaps the most productive mass exercise, their increased use could contribute to greater leg and back mass
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hell, I gained 4 lbs in a single day when I first started doing them heavy with low reps - same thing happened to two of my friends - deadlifts rule
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Ahhhhh yes. Gotta love Sergio Oliva. By the way, I thought he was releasing a book? ???
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Vic Richards also is supposed to release a book! Can't wait till these two come out!
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hell, I gained 4 lbs in a single day when I first started doing them heavy with low reps - same thing happened to two of my friends - deadlifts rule
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4 pounds of muscle in one day? :o Crazy gains.
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some was prolly water - but 4 lbs - no joke - all three of us, each
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Whatever you do, don't use the word "moderate" when describing the pros of past! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
correct back in their day the mag's talked about increased use and abuse so their all hippocrites .some if not all pushed the envelope and if extreme insulin /gh combo was used then it would have been abused by that era bber's also.they were big for their time and conditioned too ,not by just eating wheaties and amino's,that said they were less bloated than today's crop.
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dude ur wrong.ronnie once said this on bigroncoleman.com some 2 or 3 years ago that he became as heavy as 300lbs in 1998 when he was preparing for olympia 1998 and onstage ronnie was 248lbs of ripped muscle with the smallest gut on stage.....so i don't think ur can't come in ripped condition even being 300lbs offseason...ronnie is a perfect example.......
You pick a 8 time mr. o to prove my point wrong ::)
Look at Kamali, Vic Martinez gets a little to big offseason also.
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Vic Richards also is supposed to release a book! Can't wait till these two come out!
will it have his daily menus? haha - remember the famous "30,000 calories per day" bullshit. Vic probably realized how stupid this sounded, and then tried to blame it on the reporter for "misquoting" him. I believe that musclemag was the first to report the 30,000 cal. per day fiasco.
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4 lbs in 1 day ? even with Steriods you wont get that result !
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4 lbs in 1 day ? even with Steriods you wont get that result !
believe what you want - it happened to all three of us
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That's because you put your shoes on before stepping on the scale.
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hell, I gained 4 lbs in a single day when I first started doing them heavy with low reps - same thing happened to two of my friends - deadlifts rule
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What did you gain 4lbs from? eating a buckett of KFC, and some krispy kreme donuts? Seriously, did you think about what you were saying before you typed that bullshit???
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I believe Big Poppa J. He is a good man.
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believe what you want - it happened to all three of us
You must have gained that 4 pounds from eating up each others bs stories
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you guys are too much - i didn't say 4 solid-ass pounds of rock hard muscle, did I? I said some of it was water. Consider: deadlifts and other heavy compound exercises cause the body to release testosterone and growth hormone. Both of these alone cause the body to retain water. (Source: MD). The fact is I DID gain 4 lbs in one day from deadlifts and so did my firends - instead of running your mouths why don't you just try it for ourself. And I'm talking about HEAVY deads for 3-10 reps per set - the kind that make your whole body sore. Dont foget to eat too :P