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Even as a history buff, I have to remain skeptical on much of what we think we know about history.
Many of today's scholars simply go on what they research from ancient "historians" and artifacts that rarely draw definitive conclusions.
How much of history is shaped by half-truths, lies, and outright fantasies?
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History is written by the winers of wars
If Germany had won the war do you think anyone would know about the Holocaust?
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History is written by the winers of wars
If Germany had won the war do you think anyone would know about the Holocaust?
If Germany won the war it would not be called the holocaust, it would be called a military strategy
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History is revisionist history because of liberals. It's being changed to suit the liberal narrative. Statues are being taken down. If you had slaves generations ago historic figures are being discredited. Hitler's party was the socialist party. Revisionist history spins this. Liberal ideology are silencing opposing views using spin calling it fascist views. Fascists used propaganda and silenced opposing views through censorship, intimidation and violence.
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History is written by the winers of wars
If Germany had won the war do you think anyone would know about the Holocaust?
That's too recent. Even if Germany won, there were enough people to interview, and enough written accounts to tell a mostly complete story of World War 2.
I'm talking more about ancient history. I'm talking about historians (Roman, Greek, etc...)
That usually commented on things that happened hundreds of years before.
As much as I love it, history is more assumption, conjecture, and embellishment, than actual fact.
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That's too recent. Even if Germany won, there were enough people to interview, and enough written accounts to tell a mostly complete story of World War 2.
I'm talking more about ancient history. I'm talking about historians (Roman, Greek, etc...)
That usually commented on things that happened hundreds of years before.
As much as I love it, history is more assumption, conjecture, and embellishment, than actual fact.
What about the works of Herodotus, Homer, Plato, and Aristotle?
What about the Phonetician alphabet which was the forerunner of our modern alphabet?
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What about the works of Herodotus, Homer, Plato, and Aristotle?
What about the Phonetician alphabet which was the forerunner of our modern alphabet?
Just imagine how much gets lost in translation and misinterpretation
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Even as a history buff, I have to remain skeptical on much of what we think we know about history.
Many of today's scholars simply go on what they research from ancient "historians" and artifacts that rarely draw definitive conclusions.
How much of history is shaped by half-truths, lies, and outright fantasies?
Half-truths?
Like dying in a fake car accident?
Pound sand Fatzzo.
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Just imagine how much gets lost in translation and misinterpretation
Exactly.
Think about it, lots of powerful people likely influenced the narrative. Lots of scroll/book burnings, and lots of monks and scribes with plenty of time on their hands.
How many bible editions are there?
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I get what you're driving at. I've heard unpteen references to Herodotus, Pliny, and Vitruvius, but I often hear them made with cautions and caveats by lecturers qualifying the reliability of their sources.
Seeing as my history degree is internet acquired, I'm at the mercy of these guys not to take liberties and make with the requisite academic rigorosity. Then it's up to me to hear the tale from several sources and discern a consensus. Sift the wheat from the shaft. Same as "google how do I change my car's oil?" You get good and bad.
Been away from the 'casts for awhile but I really enjoyed martyrmade pods. Years ago I discovered The Teaching Company and to this day have never given them a dime but I really, really should. I remember History On Fire as a little theatrical but worthwhile.
What's your favorite stuff? Help a Yeoman out.
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Just imagine how much gets lost in translation and misinterpretation
the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima due to a mis translation...
https://pangeanic.com/knowledge/the-worst-translation-mistake-in-history/
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Half-truths?
Like dying in a fake car accident?
Pound sand Fatzzo.
There were no half-truths. I relied on historical texts from historian, Hehardforus.
A head-on collision.
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I get what you're driving at. I've heard unpteen references to Herodotus, Pliny, and Vitruvius, but I often hear them made with cautions and caveats by lecturers qualifying the reliability of their sources.
Seeing as my history degree is internet acquired, I'm at the mercy of these guys not to take liberties and make with the requisite academic rigorosity. Then it's up to me to hear the tale from several sources and discern a consensus. Sift the wheat from the shaft. Same as "google how do I change my car's oil?" You get good and bad.
Been away from the 'casts for awhile but I really enjoyed martyrmade pods. Years ago I discovered The Teaching Company and to this day have never given them a dime but I really, really should. I remember History On Fire as a little theatrical but worthwhile.
What's your favorite stuff? Help a Yeoman out.
I'm honestly at an impasse, in regards to what I want to/should believe.
I can supposedly trace my maternal side of my family to multiple English Kings, including King Edward (Longshanks) of William Wallace and Braveheart fame.
I'm assuming almost everyone would be able to trace lineage to a "famous" person in history.
Gives the six degrees of Kevin Bacon some credence after all.
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If you use Covid as a measuring stick, all of it.
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the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima due to a mis translation...
https://pangeanic.com/knowledge/the-worst-translation-mistake-in-history/
'Twasnt. We had it, the Russians didn't, and we showed them that we did. The Japs were ruthless bastards and we decided turnabout was fair play.
What you got there is some 'declassified' propaganda. White Hats would never intentionally kill vast numbers of civilians and commit the greatest war crime in history when the war was already won and overtures of surrender met deaf ears. Must be the translator's fault.
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'Twasnt. We had it, the Russians didn't, and we showed them that we did. The Japs were ruthless bastards and we decided turnabout was fair play.
What you got there is some 'declassified' propaganda. White Hats would never intentionally kill vast numbers of civilians and commit the greatest war crime in history when the war was already won and overtures of surrender met deaf ears. Must be the translator's fault.
You make my point, sir. Now imagine 500, 1000, 2000, and even 3000 years ago.
Do you honestly think that historians know even 1/10 of what actually happened in ancient Egypt?
I wonder if many of these ancient culture's writings were genuinely deciphered.
Cuiniform, Hieroglyphs, Mayan pictographs...
Are we just supposed to accept it?
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I'm honestly at an impasse, in regards to what I want to/should believe.
I can supposedly trace my maternal side of my family to multiple English Kings, including King Edward (Longshanks) of William Wallace and Braveheart fame.
I'm assuming almost everyone would be able to trace lineage to a "famous" person in history.
Gives the six degrees of Kevin Bacon some credence after all.
Yeah well ain't nobody saying they came down from Eddie Shortshank.
Granny said Jefferson Davis was a relation. But, in listening to a CW history I discovered there was a pirate of the same name. I'm really honky but also really of a criminal temperament, so it's a toss up.
There's tons of quality history to be heard online for free, even without engaging in piracy. It's not irresponsible, revisionist nonsense. Good dudes will typically offer their credentials and methods for your consideration.
I could see particular issues being hard to make a decision about but there's no reason to regard Ancient History as a giant hoax or something. Still hope you'll recommend your favorite podcasts or books online etc for us.
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Exactly.
Think about it, lots of powerful people likely influenced the narrative. Lots of scroll/book burnings, and lots of monks and scribes with plenty of time on their hands.
How many bible editions are there?
How many editions of Webster’s dictionary are there?
I’m assuming you meant translations not editions, there’s a significant difference between those two words, but it’s a common mistake for a “history buff”.
Of course history is influenced by who ever is recording it. We see this today with current events. How different are the history books you used in middle school compared to the books today?
Do you think your life has been shortchanged by the history you were taught? Would you be living a more fulfilling life?
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That's too recent. Even if Germany won, there were enough people to interview, and enough written accounts to tell a mostly complete story of World War 2.
Maybe but consider how people doubt even what happened with the recent US election. If you can't even prove current events to peoples' satisfaction...
Or take 9/11. Some people don't believe anything but some people believe everything, like the Jesus tale.
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If you want a down-the-middle, solid accounting of a topic begging for bias, martyrmade has like 20 hours of content on the establishment of Israel and the Arab opposition. Forgive his first 20 or so dramatic minutes. It's excellent.
One of the best overviews I've heard of Ancient Greece from the Persian to Peloponnesian Wars was also one of the first I heard and I was hooked. It was a lecturer from Yale, recorded by The Teaching Company.
Also from TTC, Great Ideas of Philosophy gives solid bones upon which our Western intellectual tradition hangs.
If you dig Rome, Spotify has the free History of Rome, which is kinda meandering but you get what you pay for. Spotify's The Great Philosophers by Bryan Magee is a wonderful series of interviews. Wish there were more. Gibbon's Decline and Fall is freely available on audio, usually in some painful toffee nosed public school accent, which is a hoot.
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That's too recent. Even if Germany won, there were enough people to interview, and enough written accounts to tell a mostly complete story of World War 2.
I'm talking more about ancient history. I'm talking about historians (Roman, Greek, etc...)
That usually commented on things that happened hundreds of years before.
As much as I love it, history is more assumption, conjecture, and embellishment, than actual fact.
No it's not. Even events from last year are a lie. Trump won the election.
WW1 and WW2 = Banker Wars
911 = Inside Job
JFK = Inside Job
2020 Presidential Election = Stolen via Fraud w/ help of Deep State
Go do some research. History should be taken with a grain of salt since it is written by the victor or those in power.
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Yeah well ain't nobody saying they came down from Eddie Shortshank.
Granny said Jefferson Davis was a relation. But, in listening to a CW history I discovered there was a pirate of the same name. I'm really honky but also really of a criminal temperament, so it's a toss up.
There's tons of quality history to be heard online for free, even without engaging in piracy. It's not irresponsible, revisionist nonsense. Good dudes will typically offer their credentials and methods for your consideration.
I could see particular issues being hard to make a decision about but there's no reason to regard Ancient History as a giant hoax or something. Still hope you'll recommend your favorite podcasts or books online etc for us.
I'll make it simple. We all came from Adam and Eve.
But there is no reason to regard history as a giant hoax or something.
What are credentials? A paid degree?
I can hypothesize anything I want as well.
Here is a nugget from the King: Unless you are a completely isolated tribe from an Island or a remote jungle, you are of mixed race.
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It's been said that the hallmark of a well developed intellect is the ability to entertain points of view which differ from one's own. Yet here I find myself, struggling to dismiss works, sight unseen, on the basis that their unknown contents are suspect by virtue of being unknown, making them unsuitable for knowing. I flounder.
Maybe things will go more smoothly if you tell us about your genealogy. Edward Longshanks, you say?
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I'm honestly at an impasse, in regards to what I want to/should believe.
I can supposedly trace my maternal side of my family to multiple English Kings, including King Edward (Longshanks) of William Wallace and Braveheart fame.
I'm assuming almost everyone would be able to trace lineage to a "famous" person in history.
Gives the six degrees of Kevin Bacon some credence after all.
Wasnt edwards son a faggot?
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It's been said that the hallmark of a well developed intellect is the ability to entertain points of view which differ from one's own. Yet here I find myself, struggling to dismiss works, sight unseen, on the basis that their unknown contents are suspect by virtue of being unknown, making them unsuitable for knowing. I flounder.
Maybe things will go more smoothly if you tell us about your genealogy. Edward Longshanks, you say?
I like what you're doing here.
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I'll make it simple. We all came from Adam and Eve.
But there is no reason to regard history as a giant hoax or something.
What are credentials? A paid degree?
I can hypothesize anything I want as well.
Here is a nugget from the King: Unless you are a completely isolated tribe from an Island or a remote jungle, you are of mixed race.
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I wonder what the real truth was about them dat dere Spartans.
Were they really as good as they say?
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I like what you're doing here.
What is he doing? I'm merely giving my opinion. Much less than people writing books and making television shows, basically saying they know exactly what happened thousands of years ago. That they know the language and writing.
Hell , they thought that the earth was flat and that Christpopher Columbus discovered America. I don't have to have a degree from a major university to know bullshit when I see, read, and hear it.
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What is he doing? I'm merely giving my opinion. Much less than people writing books and making television shows, basically saying they know exactly what happened thousands of years ago. That they know the language and writing.
Hell , they thought that the earth was flat and that Christpopher Columbus discovered America. I don't have to have a degree from a major university to know bullshit when I see, read, and hear it.
Shizz you're doing great bro! Keep it up.
I understand your point but its not that outlandish of a thought. As many have pointed out our current media is daily changing historical narratives.
Schools taught us Columbus was a hero, history would say he was more of a tyrant.
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Life should be nothing more than our own personal interpretations. Philosophically speaking.
Nobody speaks for me.
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History is written by the winers of wars
If Germany had won the war do you think anyone would know about the Holocaust?
A 'winer' is someone who only drinks top shelf wines and then brags about it and their knowledge of wines. So are these wars of the wines? :)
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No it's not. Even events from last year are a lie. Trump won the election.
WW1 and WW2 = Banker Wars
911 = Inside Job
JFK = Inside Job
2020 Presidential Election = Stolen via Fraud w/ help of Deep State
Go do some research. History should be taken with a grain of salt since it is written by the victor or those in power.
Oh please enlighten us. Try to use small words so we can keep up.
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Half-truths?
Like dying in a fake car accident?
Pound sand Fatzzo.
This reply took half a page. Step it up folks. :D
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This reply took half a page. Step it up folks. :D
I typically ignore Shizzo threads.
And Shizzo posts.
And Shizzo.
But I will gladly participate in his real “RIP Shizzo” thread.
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History is written by the winers of wars
If Germany had won the war do you think anyone would know about the Holocaust?
Out of curiosity, have you ever read a YouTube comments' section about Hitler? Prior to YouTube mass-censoring his speeches, I've never seen any historical figure get so many Likes, and positive comments.
Meanwhile, a Benjamin Netanyahu speech uploaded to YouTube gets ratioed so hard, it's hilarious. ;D
But on a serious note - it does show that people are open-minded...even about Hitler. They just won't say it due to social intimidation.
As for The Holocaust or its extent, I'm automatically suspicious of any topic that we're not "allowed" to talk about.
Am I supposed to believe The Holocaust happened the way Jewish-produced Hollywood movies say it happened because the Jewish community tells me I have to believe that?
If so, why? Is it wrong of me to independently research the topic myself, and form conclusions based on what primary source evidence tells me?
Also, seeing the way David Irving and others have been abused for simply researching this subject makes me question the extent of whatever did happen to Jews in WWII. I do think a series of events and actions towards Jews similar to what we know of as "The Holocaust" happened, but not until around 1943, when the war became an existential to the German people.
Also, Hitler explicitly stated what would happen to Jews in Europe if international Jewish financial interests agitated other nations against Germany, dragging Germany into war again, all the while, Jewish financial elites profited behind the scenes.
And...what happened? Germany got attacked by the Allies via Jewish financial and media pressure. Germany did not want another world war - German wanted a private territorial dispute with Poland, and had every right to invade - 50,000 Germans were murdered in Danzig, and Hitler called for peace with the Polish government FIVE SEPARATE TIMES, finally asking that only the women and children be sent back to Germany. But Poland did not cooperate, probably because they were backed by British and French war guarantees, in case of an invasion.
Hitler's REAL crime was telling the Jewish bankers to get lost. THAT'S the history we should be taught. And they didn't want to lose control over the finances of a full country, let alone one of the size and power of Germany.
So any excuse to destroy Germany was going to be used.
And Hitler made it completely clear that if Jewish financial interests drag Germany into yet another war, it would not mean the extinction of Germans/Europeans in Europe, but the extinction of Jews in Europe.
To not heed that warning BLOWS MY MIND. It makes me wonder:
Do the Rothschilds and other Jewish banking elite even care about the common Jew? They HAD to have known, after 108 separate Jewish expulsions in the previous 2,000 years that Hitler was serious?
Did they just not care?
I have many questions about this, and I would love to learn - but both Jews and White liberals only ever call me a Nazi for asking questions about The Holocaust, and trying to learn.
I've definitely changed my views in light of being called a Nazi for the past 14 years. ::)
And...I'm considered an anti-Semite, right?
So wouldn't I LOVE to know that six million Jews died in The Holocaust in WWII, so I could rub it in the faces of the aforementioned Jews and White liberals who call me a "Nazi" for having the audacity to actually objectively research topics before forming conclusions?
Here are some specific questions I have, and if anyone could address these points without calling me an anti-Semite, I would appreciate it:
[1] I believe "The Holocaust" happened, but I'm uncertain of its extent, and the number of deaths, as well as if this was ever a plan prior to the outbreak of WWII.
[2] I believe Hitler's policy for Jews was one of EMIGRATION, NOT EXTERMINATION, as Lord Walter de Rothschild wanted Jews emigrated to Israel under the 1917 Balfour Declaration, and Hitler wanted Jews out of Germany, due to Jewish usury and Jewish cultural influence negatively impacting the German people. Safely emigrating Jews to Israel was a win-win situation, and was the most moral and high-minded way to accomplish both Hitler's goal of Germany for Germans, and de Rothschild's goal of Palestine [Israel] for Jews.
[3] I think what people consider to be "The Holocaust" as we know of it in common parlance started some time around 1943, when, as I said, the war became an existential threat for Germans. To judge Germans after suffering 25-fold the civilian firebombing as they caused the Allies [Dresden, anyone] is extremely unfair to me. You can't judge a group of people when they are in a position with nothing to lose.
[4] I think The Holocaust - The Final Solution, whatever actually happened - was the brainchild of Heinrich HIMMLER - NOT Adolf Hitler. Hitler's big crime was essentially telling Jewish bankers to go have intercourse with themselves, and of course - naming the Jew. I think it was Joseph Goebbels said that Jews hate being identified, which I think is genetic; an evolved trait from living in a diaspora throughout their evolution, and being targeted for pogroms. So identifying Jews puts them at risk for expulsions which they have historically experienced.
Nothing I said above is unreasonable. I just want to learn. And the reason I'm skeptical about The Holocaust is precisely because anyone asking questions about it gets called a Nazi.
But why? I'm just trying to learn here. I had no animosity towards Jews prior to being slammed for simply questioning the official Hollywood Holocaust narrative.
I apologize to any person of any race who is offended that I research topics before forming a conclusion.
But ok, I'm a "Nazi".
Now, can anyone please address anything I've said above, if I happen to be wrong on any of it?
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Oh please enlighten us. Try to use small words so we can keep up.
I respect you, Tommy. And in incidentally, I inadvertently fulfilled part of your request before reading your post.
Do you have any questions or points for me?
:)
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Out of curiosity, have you ever read a YouTube comments' section about Hitler? Prior to YouTube mass-censoring his speeches, I've never seen any historical figure get so many Likes, and positive comments.
Meanwhile, a Benjamin Netanyahu speech uploaded to YouTube gets ratioed so hard, it's hilarious. ;D
But on a serious note - it does show that people are open-minded...even about Hitler. They just won't say it due to social intimidation.
As for The Holocaust or its extent, I'm automatically suspicious of any topic that we're not "allowed" to talk about.
Am I supposed to believe The Holocaust happened the way Jewish-produced Hollywood movies say it happened because the Jewish community tells me I have to believe that?
If so, why? Is it wrong of me to independently research the topic myself, and form conclusions based on what primary source evidence tells me?
Also, seeing the way David Irving and others have been abused for simply researching this subject makes me question the extent of whatever did happen to Jews in WWII. I do think a series of events and actions towards Jews similar to what we know of as "The Holocaust" happened, but not until around 1943, when the war became an existential to the German people.
Also, Hitler explicitly stated what would happen to Jews in Europe if international Jewish financial interests agitated other nations against Germany, dragging Germany into war again, all the while, Jewish financial elites profited behind the scenes.
And...what happened? Germany got attacked by the Allies via Jewish financial and media pressure. Germany did not want another world war - German wanted a private territorial dispute with Poland, and had every right to invade - 50,000 Germans were murdered in Danzig, and Hitler called for peace with the Polish government FIVE SEPARATE TIMES, finally asking that only the women and children be sent back to Germany. But Poland did not cooperate, probably because they were backed by British and French war guarantees, in case of an invasion.
Hitler's REAL crime was telling the Jewish bankers to get lost. THAT'S the history we should be taught. And they didn't want to lose control over the finances of a full country, let alone one of the size and power of Germany.
So any excuse to destroy Germany was going to be used.
And Hitler made it completely clear that if Jewish financial interests drag Germany into yet another war, it would not mean the extinction of Germans/Europeans in Europe, but the extinction of Jews in Europe.
To not heed that warning BLOWS MY MIND. It makes me wonder:
Do the Rothschilds and other Jewish banking elite even care about the common Jew? They HAD to have known, after 108 separate Jewish expulsions in the previous 2,000 years that Hitler was serious?
Did they just not care?
I have many questions about this, and I would love to learn - but both Jews and White liberals only ever call me a Nazi for asking questions about The Holocaust, and trying to learn.
I've definitely changed my views in light of being called a Nazi for the past 14 years. ::)
And...I'm considered an anti-Semite, right?
So wouldn't I LOVE to know that six million Jews died in The Holocaust in WWII, so I could rub it in the faces of the aforementioned Jews and White liberals who call me a "Nazi" for having the audacity to actually objectively research topics before forming conclusions?
Here are some specific questions I have, and if anyone could address these points without calling me an anti-Semite, I would appreciate it:
[1] I believe "The Holocaust" happened, but I'm uncertain of its extent, and the number of deaths, as well as if this was ever a plan prior to the outbreak of WWII.
[2] I believe Hitler's policy for Jews was one of EMIGRATION, NOT EXTERMINATION, as Lord Walter de Rothschild wanted Jews emigrated to Israel under the 1917 Balfour Declaration, and Hitler wanted Jews out of Germany, due to Jewish usury and Jewish cultural influence negatively impacting the German people. Safely emigrating Jews to Israel was a win-win situation, and was the most moral and high-minded way to accomplish both Hitler's goal of Germany for Germans, and de Rothschild's goal of Palestine [Israel] for Jews.
[3] I think what people consider to be "The Holocaust" as we know of it in common parlance started some time around 1943, when, as I said, the war became an existential threat for Germans. To judge Germans after suffering 25-fold the civilian firebombing as they caused the Allies [Dresden, anyone] is extremely unfair to me. You can't judge a group of people when they are in a position with nothing to lose.
[4] I think The Holocaust - The Final Solution, whatever actually happened - was the brainchild of Heinrich HIMMLER - NOT Adolf Hitler. Hitler's big crime was essentially telling Jewish bankers to go have intercourse with themselves, and of course - naming the Jew. I think it was Joseph Goebbels said that Jews hate being identified, which I think is genetic; an evolved trait from living in a diaspora throughout their evolution, and being targeted for pogroms. So identifying Jews puts them at risk for expulsions which they have historically experienced.
Nothing I said above is unreasonable. I just want to learn. And the reason I'm skeptical about The Holocaust is precisely because anyone asking questions about it gets called a Nazi.
But why? I'm just trying to learn here. I had no animosity towards Jews prior to being slammed for simply questioning the official Hollywood Holocaust narrative.
I apologize to any person of any race who is offended that I research topics before forming a conclusion.
But ok, I'm a "Nazi".
Now, can anyone please address anything I've said above, if I happen to be wrong on any of it?
No fucking way I’m reading 3,000 words of this idiot anti-semite’s bullshit.
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Out of curiosity, have you ever read a YouTube comments' section about Hitler? Prior to YouTube mass-censoring his speeches, I've never seen any historical figure get so many Likes, and positive comments.
Meanwhile, a Benjamin Netanyahu speech uploaded to YouTube gets ratioed so hard, it's hilarious. ;D
But on a serious note - it does show that people are open-minded...even about Hitler. They just won't say it due to social intimidation.
As for The Holocaust or its extent, I'm automatically suspicious of any topic that we're not "allowed" to talk about.
Am I supposed to believe The Holocaust happened the way Jewish-produced Hollywood movies say it happened because the Jewish community tells me I have to believe that?
If so, why? Is it wrong of me to independently research the topic myself, and form conclusions based on what primary source evidence tells me?
Also, seeing the way David Irving and others have been abused for simply researching this subject makes me question the extent of whatever did happen to Jews in WWII. I do think a series of events and actions towards Jews similar to what we know of as "The Holocaust" happened, but not until around 1943, when the war became an existential to the German people.
Also, Hitler explicitly stated what would happen to Jews in Europe if international Jewish financial interests agitated other nations against Germany, dragging Germany into war again, all the while, Jewish financial elites profited behind the scenes.
And...what happened? Germany got attacked by the Allies via Jewish financial and media pressure. Germany did not want another world war - German wanted a private territorial dispute with Poland, and had every right to invade - 50,000 Germans were murdered in Danzig, and Hitler called for peace with the Polish government FIVE SEPARATE TIMES, finally asking that only the women and children be sent back to Germany. But Poland did not cooperate, probably because they were backed by British and French war guarantees, in case of an invasion.
Hitler's REAL crime was telling the Jewish bankers to get lost. THAT'S the history we should be taught. And they didn't want to lose control over the finances of a full country, let alone one of the size and power of Germany.
So any excuse to destroy Germany was going to be used.
And Hitler made it completely clear that if Jewish financial interests drag Germany into yet another war, it would not mean the extinction of Germans/Europeans in Europe, but the extinction of Jews in Europe.
To not heed that warning BLOWS MY MIND. It makes me wonder:
Do the Rothschilds and other Jewish banking elite even care about the common Jew? They HAD to have known, after 108 separate Jewish expulsions in the previous 2,000 years that Hitler was serious?
Did they just not care?
I have many questions about this, and I would love to learn - but both Jews and White liberals only ever call me a Nazi for asking questions about The Holocaust, and trying to learn.
I've definitely changed my views in light of being called a Nazi for the past 14 years. ::)
And...I'm considered an anti-Semite, right?
So wouldn't I LOVE to know that six million Jews died in The Holocaust in WWII, so I could rub it in the faces of the aforementioned Jews and White liberals who call me a "Nazi" for having the audacity to actually objectively research topics before forming conclusions?
Here are some specific questions I have, and if anyone could address these points without calling me an anti-Semite, I would appreciate it:
[1] I believe "The Holocaust" happened, but I'm uncertain of its extent, and the number of deaths, as well as if this was ever a plan prior to the outbreak of WWII.
[2] I believe Hitler's policy for Jews was one of EMIGRATION, NOT EXTERMINATION, as Lord Walter de Rothschild wanted Jews emigrated to Israel under the 1917 Balfour Declaration, and Hitler wanted Jews out of Germany, due to Jewish usury and Jewish cultural influence negatively impacting the German people. Safely emigrating Jews to Israel was a win-win situation, and was the most moral and high-minded way to accomplish both Hitler's goal of Germany for Germans, and de Rothschild's goal of Palestine [Israel] for Jews.
[3] I think what people consider to be "The Holocaust" as we know of it in common parlance started some time around 1943, when, as I said, the war became an existential threat for Germans. To judge Germans after suffering 25-fold the civilian firebombing as they caused the Allies [Dresden, anyone] is extremely unfair to me. You can't judge a group of people when they are in a position with nothing to lose.
[4] I think The Holocaust - The Final Solution, whatever actually happened - was the brainchild of Heinrich HIMMLER - NOT Adolf Hitler. Hitler's big crime was essentially telling Jewish bankers to go have intercourse with themselves, and of course - naming the Jew. I think it was Joseph Goebbels said that Jews hate being identified, which I think is genetic; an evolved trait from living in a diaspora throughout their evolution, and being targeted for pogroms. So identifying Jews puts them at risk for expulsions which they have historically experienced.
Nothing I said above is unreasonable. I just want to learn. And the reason I'm skeptical about The Holocaust is precisely because anyone asking questions about it gets called a Nazi.
But why? I'm just trying to learn here. I had no animosity towards Jews prior to being slammed for simply questioning the official Hollywood Holocaust narrative.
I apologize to any person of any race who is offended that I research topics before forming a conclusion.
But ok, I'm a "Nazi".
Now, can anyone please address anything I've said above, if I happen to be wrong on any of it?
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Who gives a fuck it`s all water under the bridge...........you can`t change or rewrite it so screw it.
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I`M A BITTER OLD CODGER I KNOW JUST LIKE THAT BITCH OLDSGOLD !
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Out of curiosity, have you ever read a YouTube comments' section about Hitler? Prior to YouTube mass-censoring his speeches, I've never seen any historical figure get so many Likes, and positive comments.
Meanwhile, a Benjamin Netanyahu speech uploaded to YouTube gets ratioed so hard, it's hilarious. ;D
But on a serious note - it does show that people are open-minded...even about Hitler. They just won't say it due to social intimidation.
As for The Holocaust or its extent, I'm automatically suspicious of any topic that we're not "allowed" to talk about.
Am I supposed to believe The Holocaust happened the way Jewish-produced Hollywood movies say it happened because the Jewish community tells me I have to believe that?
If so, why? Is it wrong of me to independently research the topic myself, and form conclusions based on what primary source evidence tells me?
Also, seeing the way David Irving and others have been abused for simply researching this subject makes me question the extent of whatever did happen to Jews in WWII. I do think a series of events and actions towards Jews similar to what we know of as "The Holocaust" happened, but not until around 1943, when the war became an existential to the German people.
Also, Hitler explicitly stated what would happen to Jews in Europe if international Jewish financial interests agitated other nations against Germany, dragging Germany into war again, all the while, Jewish financial elites profited behind the scenes.
And...what happened? Germany got attacked by the Allies via Jewish financial and media pressure. Germany did not want another world war - German wanted a private territorial dispute with Poland, and had every right to invade - 50,000 Germans were murdered in Danzig, and Hitler called for peace with the Polish government FIVE SEPARATE TIMES, finally asking that only the women and children be sent back to Germany. But Poland did not cooperate, probably because they were backed by British and French war guarantees, in case of an invasion.
Hitler's REAL crime was telling the Jewish bankers to get lost. THAT'S the history we should be taught. And they didn't want to lose control over the finances of a full country, let alone one of the size and power of Germany.
So any excuse to destroy Germany was going to be used.
And Hitler made it completely clear that if Jewish financial interests drag Germany into yet another war, it would not mean the extinction of Germans/Europeans in Europe, but the extinction of Jews in Europe.
To not heed that warning BLOWS MY MIND. It makes me wonder:
Do the Rothschilds and other Jewish banking elite even care about the common Jew? They HAD to have known, after 108 separate Jewish expulsions in the previous 2,000 years that Hitler was serious?
Did they just not care?
I have many questions about this, and I would love to learn - but both Jews and White liberals only ever call me a Nazi for asking questions about The Holocaust, and trying to learn.
I've definitely changed my views in light of being called a Nazi for the past 14 years. ::)
And...I'm considered an anti-Semite, right?
So wouldn't I LOVE to know that six million Jews died in The Holocaust in WWII, so I could rub it in the faces of the aforementioned Jews and White liberals who call me a "Nazi" for having the audacity to actually objectively research topics before forming conclusions?
Here are some specific questions I have, and if anyone could address these points without calling me an anti-Semite, I would appreciate it:
[1] I believe "The Holocaust" happened, but I'm uncertain of its extent, and the number of deaths, as well as if this was ever a plan prior to the outbreak of WWII.
[2] I believe Hitler's policy for Jews was one of EMIGRATION, NOT EXTERMINATION, as Lord Walter de Rothschild wanted Jews emigrated to Israel under the 1917 Balfour Declaration, and Hitler wanted Jews out of Germany, due to Jewish usury and Jewish cultural influence negatively impacting the German people. Safely emigrating Jews to Israel was a win-win situation, and was the most moral and high-minded way to accomplish both Hitler's goal of Germany for Germans, and de Rothschild's goal of Palestine [Israel] for Jews.
[3] I think what people consider to be "The Holocaust" as we know of it in common parlance started some time around 1943, when, as I said, the war became an existential threat for Germans. To judge Germans after suffering 25-fold the civilian firebombing as they caused the Allies [Dresden, anyone] is extremely unfair to me. You can't judge a group of people when they are in a position with nothing to lose.
[4] I think The Holocaust - The Final Solution, whatever actually happened - was the brainchild of Heinrich HIMMLER - NOT Adolf Hitler. Hitler's big crime was essentially telling Jewish bankers to go have intercourse with themselves, and of course - naming the Jew. I think it was Joseph Goebbels said that Jews hate being identified, which I think is genetic; an evolved trait from living in a diaspora throughout their evolution, and being targeted for pogroms. So identifying Jews puts them at risk for expulsions which they have historically experienced.
Nothing I said above is unreasonable. I just want to learn. And the reason I'm skeptical about The Holocaust is precisely because anyone asking questions about it gets called a Nazi.
But why? I'm just trying to learn here. I had no animosity towards Jews prior to being slammed for simply questioning the official Hollywood Holocaust narrative.
I apologize to any person of any race who is offended that I research topics before forming a conclusion.
But ok, I'm a "Nazi".
Now, can anyone please address anything I've said above, if I happen to be wrong on any of it?
Things to consider Matty!
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As time goes on, Matt seems to get more and more verbose. Wonder why.
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Most of it is lies today. We see the corruption today thanks to the wrong side winning. Just look at the demented incomprehensible puppet that is supposed to be president of the greatest superpower.
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Vatican library 50 miles of bookshelving.
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Shizz you're doing great bro! Keep it up.
I understand your point but its not that outlandish of a thought. As many have pointed out our current media is daily changing historical narratives.
Schools taught us Columbus was a hero, history would say he was more of a tyrant.
UFO aliens discovered America , Army of None can confirm this ;)
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I can supposedly trace my maternal side of my family to multiple English Kings, including King Edward (Longshanks) of William Wallace and Braveheart fame.
Dumb ass, William Wallace was SCOTTISH king !.
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Dumb ass, William Wallace was SCOTTISH king !.
Learn to read.
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Learn to read.
Simple DNA test will confirm your 'royal blood line' ;D
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Simple DNA test will confirm your 'royal blood line' ;D
Edward I "Longshanks", King of England
Henry III, King of England
John I "Lackland", King of England
No joke. For what it's worth, these are my ancestors.
Maybe there is some inheritance that I am owed :D
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Edward I "Longshanks", King of England
Henry III, King of England
John I "Lackland", King of England
No joke. For what it's worth, these are my ancestors.
Maybe there is some inheritance that I am owed :D
Im willing to bet this part of history is a lie.
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Edward I "Longshanks", King of England
Henry III, King of England
John I "Lackland", King of England
No joke. For what it's worth, these are my ancestors.
Maybe there is some inheritance that I am owed :D
What about Edward II?
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Im willing to bet this part of history is a lie.
Damn! Nice one.
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Damn! Nice one.
:-*
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Edward I "Longshanks", King of England
Henry III, King of England
John I "Lackland", King of England
No joke. For what it's worth, these are my ancestors.
Maybe there is some inheritance that I am owed :D
Ask Queen Elizabeth...soon. She's 94 years old. She may not be around much longer.
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What about Edward II?
It's merely a snapshot of my family tree.
Too many siblings to list.
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Edward I "Longshanks", King of England
Henry III, King of England
John I "Lackland", King of England
No joke. For what it's worth, these are my ancestors.
Maybe there is some inheritance that I am owed :D
Being the court piss bucket boy doesn’t mean you’re ancestor was related to the King.
Eat some cocks Fatzzo.
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It's merely a snapshot of my family tree.
Too many siblings to list.
or just no $ 120 to do DNA test ;D
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History is revisionist history because of liberals. It's being changed to suit the liberal narrative. Statues are being taken down. If you had slaves generations ago historic figures are being discredited. Hitler's party was the socialist party. Revisionist history spins this. Liberal ideology are silencing opposing views using spin calling it fascist views. Fascists used propaganda and silenced opposing views through censorship, intimidation and violence.
Liberals'? You really think we treated the indians fairly? You really think we treated the blacks fairly? You think experiments on blacks didn't take place? You think Jews weren't killed by the millions? Nah.... history was warped by conservatives... what actually happened is being revealed by liberal's and you don't like it.. because you're old.
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Liberals'? You really think we treated the indians fairly? You really think we treated the blacks fairly? You think experiments on blacks didn't take place? You think Jews weren't killed by the millions? Nah.... history was warped by conservatives... what actually happened is being revealed by liberal's and you don't like it.. because you're old.
What's going on today is not about taking ownership of the past, not about righting the wrongs of the past. It's more sinister, it's about destroying.
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Liberals'? You really think we treated the indians fairly? You really think we treated the blacks fairly? You think experiments on blacks didn't take place? You think Jews weren't killed by the millions? Nah.... history was warped by conservatives... what actually happened is being revealed by liberal's and you don't like it.. because you're old.
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Do you think we treated Trump fairly during his presidency?
Seriously though do you think police are treated fairly by the media? Or are the majority of those who protect and serve looking for minorities to kill?
People are always mistreated throughout history, it will never change. Success for one is at the suffering of another.
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Liberals'? You really think we treated the indians fairly? You really think we treated the blacks fairly? You think experiments on blacks didn't take place? You think Jews weren't killed by the millions? Nah.... history was warped by conservatives... what actually happened is being revealed by liberal's and you don't like it.. because you're old.
oldtimer isn't white
we had nothing to do with how the indians or blacks were treated as we weren't alive, we're all just reaping the benefits our white ancestors gave us including you and every other non white person in america
what would america look like today if not for white people taking over this country? it would look like every other non white country, a shit hole that none of you would want to live in which is why you live in white countries
dwelling on the past is for losers, maybe learn to be grateful for what you have today
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oldtimer isn't white
we had nothing to do with how the indians or blacks were treated as we weren't alive, we're all just reaping the benefits our white ancestors gave us including you and every other non white person in america
what would america look like today if not for white people taking over this country? it would look like every other non white country, a shit hole that none of you would want to live in which is why you live in white countries
dwelling on the past is for losers, maybe learn to be grateful for what you have today
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Great point.
The whole country would likely be littered with casinos and Native American jewelry shops.
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Great point.
The whole country would likely be littered with casinos and Native American jewelry shops.
Many people do not get your level of sarcasm :D
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Great point.
The whole country would likely be littered with casinos and Native American jewelry shops.
Indian Reservations are places of utter despair, tragedy and poverty, despite many, many billions given to them every year. The top few percent get the rewards. The rest get poverty, addiction and violence.
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I would like to make an amendment: I can trace my lineage to English Kings on the paternal side of my family (my father's side)
I just got caught up of thinking of my grandmother as maternal. Everyone has two grandmothers. Maternal (mother's side) and paternal (father's side)
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Indian Reservations are places of utter despair, tragedy and poverty, despite many, many billions given to them every year. The top few percent get the rewards. The rest get poverty, addiction and violence.
Sounds like human hierarchy, rather than a particular race or ethnicity.
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I would like to make an amendment: I can trace my lineage to English Kings on the paternal side of my family (my father's side)
I just got caught up of thinking of my grandmother as maternal. Everyone has two grandmothers. Maternal (mother's side) and paternal (father's side)
You are so full of shit.
I wouldn’t be surprised if your mother and father had the same lineage, and were brother and sister.
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You are so full of shit.
I wouldn’t be surprised if your mother and father had the same lineage, and were brother and sister.
Les this is a very common practice for the Royals, it keeps the bloodlines pure.
It’s ironic that a guy who self appointed himself king of a message board, would later find out he has a lineage of royalty....
It’s also shocking that a man that was so desperate for money begged Joon for $1000 would willingly spend $50 for a dna test to verify this.
Getbig is the place where we see fortunes change.
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I thought this was going to be a thread about the 1980 Olympia.
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I thought this was going to be a thread about the 1980 Olympia.
I thought you were relevant.
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That's too recent. Even if Germany won, there were enough people to interview, and enough written accounts to tell a mostly complete story of World War 2.
I'm talking more about ancient history. I'm talking about historians (Roman, Greek, etc...)
That usually commented on things that happened hundreds of years before.
As much as I love it, history is more assumption, conjecture, and embellishment, than actual fact.
The official narrative of the holocaust rests on very weak evidence. There is no evidence for the 6 million number (which is some sort of jewish religious prophecy they invoked much earlier even in WW1 for jews killed in eastern europe), and the evidence points to the camps themselves being work camps, not death camps. Indeed all of the western-liberated camps were claimed to be death camps yet they were found not to be. It was only the camps liberated by the jewish bolsheviks where these half-truths persisted until they were slowly debunked, the lies about bars of soap, lampshades, and other elaborate jewish victim fantasies.
What is most disgusting about the holocaust is that it seems to be used by revisionists as a cover to prevent questioning of the genocide of eastern europeans by Bolsheviks. Go into any history subreddit and ask questions about the role of jews in the holodomor and see how long before you are banned.
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The official narrative of the holocaust rests on very weak evidence. There is no evidence for the 6 million number (which is some sort of jewish religious prophecy they invoked much earlier even in WW1 for jews killed in eastern europe), and the evidence points to the camps themselves being work camps, not death camps. Indeed all of the western-liberated camps were claimed to be death camps yet they were found not to be. It was only the camps liberated by the jewish bolsheviks where these half-truths persisted until they were slowly debunked, the lies about bars of soap, lampshades, and other elaborate jewish victim fantasies.
What is most disgusting about the holocaust is that it seems to be used by revisionists as a cover to prevent questioning of the genocide of eastern europeans by Bolsheviks. Go into any history subreddit and ask questions about the role of jews in the holodomor and see how long before you are banned.
I don't agree, but let's just assume that you are right. If "the powers that be" can manipulate things that happened in World War 2, than history is null and void.
I don't have any foreskin in the game, but I do believe that a widespread genocide happened. The actual numbers are irrelevant.
People start counting at 1.
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When you put one foot in the past,and the other foot in the future,you are pissing on the present which is a gift.
Got that from AA and it makes sense,
Cant change the past,only can move forward and try to improve the future .
Besides who gives a flying fuck? ;D
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I literally bought the Braveheart soundtrack on compact disc. It all makes sense now.
The family connection was strong.
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The actual numbers are irrelevant.
People start counting at 1.
The details seem to matter. There was a big row a few weeks back when Putin said many of the Jews who died in the holocaust were Russian Jews. He might have said 40 or 60%, I forget. Jews were offended and said that was a lie.
As nzgs said many of the camps which were said to have been death camps were later admitted to have been work camps. Most of the holocaust now rest on Auschwitz specifically. If it was admitted that gas chambers were not used to gas Jews in Auschwitz it would be a huge, huge deal. Even if millions of Jews died via other means. There are Jewish revisionists who say that gas chambers specifically are a myth but they used diesel exhaust instead in other camps to murder millions of Jews. If there was a change in that "little" detail it would be a huge deal.
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I literally bought the Braveheart soundtrack on compact disc. It all makes sense now.
The family connection was strong.
Was it a Michael Bolton cover album? ;D
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I literally bought the Braveheart soundtrack on compact disc. It all makes sense now.
The family connection was strong.
You are so full of shit.
And cheap vodka with a side squirt of jism.
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I would like to make an amendment: I can trace my lineage to English Kings on the paternal side of my family (my father's side)
I just got caught up of thinking of my grandmother as maternal. Everyone has two grandmothers. Maternal (mother's side) and paternal (father's side)
Shizzo , any pics of you & other royals @ the prince Phillip funeral ..................... ;D