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Title: Master of misinformation
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 20, 2021, 05:19:49 AM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/07/19/master-of-misinformation-joe-bidens-10-worst-lies/
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: IroNat on July 20, 2021, 06:19:48 AM
Joe doesn't know he's lying.
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Howard on July 20, 2021, 06:33:48 AM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/07/19/master-of-misinformation-joe-bidens-10-worst-lies/

Coach, I know you think it's foolish and risky to a get a Covid vaccine.
But we all know Trump and his wife got one back in Jan , right before he left office.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trumps-coronavirus-vaccines-white-house-in-january

On a serious note, how do you "square that" in your own thinking on Covid vaccines?
I'm not trying to bust your balls, but find your views inconsistent on this one.
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Grape Ape on July 20, 2021, 06:39:24 AM
Coach, I know you think it's foolish and risky to a get a Covid vaccine.
But we all know Trump and his wife got one back in Jan , right before he left office.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trumps-coronavirus-vaccines-white-house-in-january

On a serious note, how do you "square that" in your own thinking on Covid vaccines?
I'm not trying to bust your balls, but find your views inconsistent on this one.

Trump eats like shit and doesn't exercise, should Joe copy that too?
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: IroNat on July 20, 2021, 06:46:15 AM
I would get a standard vaccine type for Covid but am leary of the MRNA type.

The J&J and the other Vector vaccines have had too many issues also.

I am healthy as an ox so not much to worry about.
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Grape Ape on July 20, 2021, 06:50:36 AM
I am healthy as an ox so not much to worry about.

Really?

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Oxen are commonly castrated adult male cattle; castration inhibits testosterone and aggression, which makes the males docile and safer to work with.
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: residue on July 20, 2021, 06:55:44 AM
Trump eats like shit and doesn't exercise, should Joe copy that too?
joe's old and already has had health issues
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Grape Ape on July 20, 2021, 07:10:03 AM
joe's old and already has had health issues

You're proving yourself to be a real shitty person with the constant comments about someone's real life health.
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: IroNat on July 20, 2021, 08:18:24 AM
I would get a standard vaccine type for Covid but am leary of the MRNA type.

The J&J and the other Vector vaccines have had too many issues also.

I am healthy as a horse an ox so not much to worry about.

Fixed.  ;)
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Howard on July 20, 2021, 08:20:59 AM
Trump eats like shit and doesn't exercise, should Joe copy that too?
Ok, but doesn't that fact alone prove the covid vaccine isn't a major health risk?

If it's so risky and unsafe , why did the former and current (ages 74 and 78 ) Presidents get the vaccine?
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Howard on July 20, 2021, 08:23:13 AM
I would get a standard vaccine type for Covid but am leary of the MRNA type.

The J&J and the other Vector vaccines have had too many issues also.

I am healthy as an ox so not much to worry about.
But the two mRNA vaccines have a best record for being safe and effective with millions of people now.
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: IroNat on July 20, 2021, 08:26:24 AM
But the two mRNA vaccines have a best record for being safe and effective with millions of people now.

Longer term effects are unknown.
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Howard on July 20, 2021, 08:49:54 AM
Longer term effects are unknown.

All we know for sure is that Covid is a serious health risk for millions.
You might personally be fine and at worse become  infected and remain  asymptomatic.
But you could pass it to an older person without even knowing it. You wouldn't want that.

The two mRNA vaccines have shown great results , right  now, in millions. That's all we know for sure.

You seem like a reasonable , intelligent man and understand risk/benefit ratios.
You don't owe anyone  an answer to this, but at least consider it for your own benefit:

* Are you refusing a Covid vaccine more for: 1. health concerns OR 2. just being stubborn and refusing to "give in" .
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Grape Ape on July 20, 2021, 09:10:00 AM
Ok, but doesn't that fact alone prove the covid vaccine isn't a major health risk?

If it's so risky and unsafe , why did the former and current (ages 74 and 78 ) Presidents get the vaccine?

For clarity -  you're saying Trump's actions are the basis for things being factual?
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Grape Ape on July 20, 2021, 09:13:03 AM


The two mRNA vaccines have shown great results , right  now, in millions. That's all we know for sure.

You seem like a reasonable , intelligent man and understand risk/benefit ratios.
You don't owe anyone  an answer to this, but at least consider it for your own benefit:

* Are you refusing a Covid vaccine more for: 1. health concerns OR 2. just being stubborn and refusing to "give in" .

That isn't all we know for sure.  We know there have been 100s of thousands of cases of adverse reactions, which have not been explained.

We also know that there are more and more breakthrough cases happening.

We also have no idea if what's considered "safe" now is "safe" a year+ from now.

Those are all FACTS.

The reality is we don't know shit.
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: IroNat on July 20, 2021, 10:08:46 AM
All we know for sure is that Covid is a serious health risk for millions.
You might personally be fine and at worse become  infected and remain  asymptomatic.
But you could pass it to an older person without even knowing it. You wouldn't want that.

The two mRNA vaccines have shown great results , right  now, in millions. That's all we know for sure.

You seem like a reasonable , intelligent man and understand risk/benefit ratios.
You don't owe anyone  an answer to this, but at least consider it for your own benefit:

* Are you refusing a Covid vaccine more for: 1. health concerns OR 2. just being stubborn and refusing to "give in" .

Vaccinated people can also be asymptomatic and positive and transmit the virus so that argument falls flat.

It's a ridiculous argument to make but I see politicians and the media making it.

My reasons for not getting vaccinated were stated in my post above.
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Body-Buildah on July 20, 2021, 10:16:57 AM
Joe's a brain-dead moron, HTH.
Anyone who sticks up for him, is also brain-dead. He's been lying, raping and traitoring for decades. (Even his own kid).

Trumps pretty tapped in the noggin as well, but he aint no commie. And things were great pre-Plandemic.
Not so much now.

If lying Joe wasnt so "anti-White male" and "Pro-Commie" then I might support him a bit.

Why would someone support a guy who's trying to ruin the country?
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Howard on July 20, 2021, 01:18:49 PM
Vaccinated people can also be asymptomatic and positive and transmit the virus so that argument falls flat.

It's a ridiculous argument to make but I see politicians and the media making it.

My reasons for not getting vaccinated were stated in my post above.

I don't have all the answers, but, I think you're trusting some misguided , wrong info on Covid vaccines.
I sincerely wish you well and just hope none of us end up dealing with a loved one made seriously ill by Covid.

In the end we all have to make our own decisions and live with whatever happens.
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Grape Ape on July 20, 2021, 01:52:26 PM
I don't have all the answers, but, I think you're trusting some misguided , wrong info on Covid vaccines.
I sincerely wish you well and just hope none of us end up dealing with a loved one made seriously ill by Covid.

In the end we all have to make our own decisions and live with whatever happens.

Vaccinated people are catching this at an increased rate.  Breakthrough cases are all over the news.

Why wouldn't they be able to transmit like an unvaccinated person?
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Straw Man on July 20, 2021, 02:09:20 PM
It depends. Are you talking about disinformation or are you talking about lies? There is a more beautiful word called disinformation.
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: IRON CROSS on July 20, 2021, 03:37:02 PM
It depends. Are you talking about disinformation or are you talking about lies? There is a more beautiful word called disinformation.


.........any 'disinformations' about Rio Grande/Mexico border situation ...................
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: IroNat on July 20, 2021, 05:07:14 PM
I don't have all the answers, but, I think you're trusting some misguided , wrong info on Covid vaccines.
I sincerely wish you well and just hope none of us end up dealing with a loved one made seriously ill by Covid.

In the end we all have to make our own decisions and live with whatever happens.

Apparently, Howard, you don't have any of the answers.  You've been watching CNN.

I am not misinformed like you seem to be about the vaccinated testing positive and transmitting the virus. 

It is you who better hope there are no future side effects from the hastily prepared and rushed vaccine you and your wife took.
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: chaos on July 20, 2021, 06:49:48 PM
Longer term effects are unknown.
This. In 5 years we'll all see the commercials...."If you or a loved one received the Covid vaccine you may be entitled to compensation..."
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: SOMEPARTS on July 20, 2021, 08:21:13 PM
This. In 5 years we'll all see the commercials...."If you or a loved one received the Covid vaccine you may be entitled to compensation..."


Pharma got a hold harmless deal before anything even started on this.

That alone should tell you everything.
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Body-Buildah on July 21, 2021, 01:51:29 AM
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Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Howard on July 21, 2021, 07:53:51 AM
Apparently, Howard, you don't have any of the answers.  You've been watching CNN.

I am not misinformed like you seem to be about the vaccinated testing positive and transmitting the virus. 

It is you who better hope there are no future side effects from the hastily prepared and rushed vaccine you and your wife took.

Is this guy misinformed ? I'd say he's NOT an anti-Trumper or liberal, but seems to have changed his anti-vax view.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rep-steve-scalise-finally-gets-015321588.html
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Howard on July 21, 2021, 07:58:18 AM
Vaccinated people are catching this at an increased rate.  Breakthrough cases are all over the news.

Why wouldn't they be able to transmit like an unvaccinated person?

FOX news now reports that getting the vaccine is the right way to go.
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Howard on July 21, 2021, 08:03:17 AM
For clarity -  you're saying Trump's actions are the basis for things being factual?
He's  right on some things . When I agree with him,  I say so and vice versa.
He's urging everyone to get a Covid vaccine in this interview and says it's safe.

Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Grape Ape on July 21, 2021, 08:09:26 AM
FOX news now reports that getting the vaccine is the right way to go.


How does that answer the question I asked, or Iron Nats comment, which is similar?
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Howard on July 21, 2021, 09:54:25 AM
How does that answer the question I asked, or Iron Nats comment, which is similar?

I'm simply pointing out some well known figures , previously against covid vax are changing their view.
Better late then never.
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Grape Ape on July 21, 2021, 10:16:16 AM
I'm simply pointing out some well known figures , previously against covid vax are changing their view.
Better late then never.

Well, the flip side to that is a bunch of those who got the vaccine and changed their views, but they're not around.

Either way, using small samples to make a point is disingenuous at best, a colossal waste of time at worst as it does nothing to further a discussion.
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 21, 2021, 10:29:03 AM
Joe doesn't know he's lying.

He doesn't know he is awake. 
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 21, 2021, 10:31:10 AM
It depends. Are you talking about disinformation or are you talking about lies? There is a more beautiful word called disinformation.

Liberal failures are the biggest source of lies.   Russia lies, wuhan wet market lies, you name it.     
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Straw Man on July 21, 2021, 10:52:56 AM
Liberal failures are the biggest source of lies.   Russia lies, wuhan wet market lies, you name it.   

By "Russia Lies" I assume you mean all THE TRAITORS interactions with Russia and it's agent which have all (or almost all) been proven to be true

The Wuhan wet market thing is not been proven or disproven and personally I don't give a shit because it makes very little difference.  The thing is here and we have to deal with it and that's the bottom line

BTW - that statement of mine that you responded to is actually a quote from THE TRAITOR and I honestly don't even know what it means.  It's just his typical jibberish.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/07/the-feverish-mind-of-trump-after-leaving-the-white-house
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 21, 2021, 11:19:35 AM
By "Russia Lies" I assume you mean all THE TRAITORS interactions with Russia and it's agent which have all (or almost all) been proven to be true

The Wuhan wet market thing is not been proven or disproven and personally I don't give a shit because it makes very little difference.  The thing is here and we have to deal with it and that's the bottom line

BTW - that statement of mine that you responded to is actually a quote from THE TRAITOR and I honestly don't even know what it means.  It's just his typical jibberish.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/07/the-feverish-mind-of-trump-after-leaving-the-white-house

lol...”Vanity Fair” 😂
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Straw Man on July 21, 2021, 11:37:08 AM
lol...”Vanity Fair” 😂

There is a more beautiful word called disinformation.
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 21, 2021, 11:48:34 AM
There is a more beautiful word called disinformation.

WHY DIDNT COMEY OR MULLUER PROSECUTE?
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Grape Ape on July 21, 2021, 12:27:54 PM
WHY DIDNT COMEY OR MULLUER PROSECUTE?

Exactly.

Also, why didn't Pelosi bring up articles of impeachment?
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Straw Man on July 21, 2021, 12:46:11 PM
WHY DIDNT COMEY OR MULLUER PROSECUTE?

Do you really need me to explain this to you?

Two words....Bill Barr

If you recall the report had this statement from Mueller

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‘If we had had confidence that’ President Trump ‘clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so’

The report included multiple instances of obstruction which Bill Barr chose not to pursue

BTW - 5 members of Trumps cabinet were referred to federal prosecutors (while Trump was POTUS ) and Trumps DOJ declined to pursue/prosecute any of them

https://news.yahoo.com/five-trump-cabinet-officials-were-064012622.html
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Howard on July 21, 2021, 01:37:31 PM
Well, the flip side to that is a bunch of those who got the vaccine and changed their views, but they're not around.

Either way, using small samples to make a point is disingenuous at best, a colossal waste of time at worst as it does nothing to further a discussion.

Maybe you can fire up an ice cream truck, drive around and conduct your own study?
THEN, you can publish it on some obscure web site and provide a link... we'll ignore .

Hope this helps.  ::)

Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Grape Ape on July 21, 2021, 02:00:23 PM
Maybe you can fire up an ice cream truck, drive around and conduct your own study?
THEN, you can publish it on some obscure web site and provide a link... we'll ignore .

Hope this helps.  ::)

It doesn't help, you make no sense.

Iron nat's counter to your previous point was that asymptomatic transfer happens with the vaccinated.  Your response was a few fox hosts and a rep who are conservative saying you should be vaccinated.

What are you talking about?
Title: Re: Master of misinformation
Post by: Howard on July 21, 2021, 02:07:23 PM


What are you talking about?

Are you talkin' to me?