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The U.S. gave full approval to Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine on Monday, a milestone that may help lift public confidence in the shots as the nation battles the most contagious coronavirus mutant yet.
The vaccine made by Pfizer and its partner BioNTech now carries the strongest endorsement from the Food and Drug Administration, which has never before had so much evidence to judge a shot’s safety. More than 200 million Pfizer doses already have been administered in the U.S. — and hundreds of millions more worldwide — since emergency use began in December.
42% Efficacy and falling as of this milestone vs. a natural immune response.
The healthy public is proper fucked!
The Vaccine Wars have begun.
No disrespect to the Clones given this was a bad ass ending.
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Political pressure from Biden Admin on FDA to approve Pfizer vax.
This will encourage mandatory vax.
The Moderna vax is more effective against Delta.
When will FDA approve Moderna? What's the holdup?
J&J will probably never get approval.
Novavax will seek emergency approval soon. Traditional non-mrna vax.
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Here's an answer to lack of efficacy: When you are infected with the real virus it is going thru a constant state spacing (Forgot that Delta bull, given each generation that's produced from reverse transcription looks slight different from its' forefather.), mutations, so your immune has to adapt Borg Style. Now, the injections on only produce monoclonal spikes identical across all cells. Get that picture. Now, what happens when your body experiences the real variable virus? Efficacy is bish with these poorly constructed compounds.
A virus so deadly that 99.5% of people need a qtip up the nose to know they have it vs. the common flu bug.
From my understanding Pzifer is already talking about a 4th injection.
A very sad day for the sciences.
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J&J will probably never get approval..
Blood clots, Neuropathy and 4 Billion in cancer settlements.
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Here's an answer to lack of efficacy: When you are infected with the real virus it is going thru a constant state spacing (Forgot that Delta bull, given each generation that's produced from reverse transcription looks slight different from its' forefather.), mutations, so your immune has to adapt Borg Style. Now, the injections on only produce monoclonal spikes identical across all cells. Get that picture. Now, what happens when your body experiences the real variable virus? Efficacy is bish with these poorly constructed compounds.
A virus so deadly that 99.5% of people need a qtip up the nose to know they have it vs. the common flu bug.
From my understanding Pzifer is already talking about a 4th injection.
A very sad day for the sciences.
You're confusing bottom lines with science. This vaccine is about pushing "new" science forward in the name of progress.
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You're confusing bottom lines with science. This vaccine is about pushing "new" science forward in the name of progress.
You want to medicate the whole world regardless?
Make sure the Zoo animals get their 3rd dosage of Pzifer also, you here me.
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More smoke and mirrors by the “Biden” administration
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So, does this mean Pfizer can be held liable for any adverse reactions?
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The U.S. gave full approval to Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine on Monday, a milestone that may help lift public confidence in the shots as the nation battles the most contagious coronavirus mutant yet.
The vaccine made by Pfizer and its partner BioNTech now carries the strongest endorsement from the Food and Drug Administration, which has never before had so much evidence to judge a shot’s safety. More than 200 million Pfizer doses already have been administered in the U.S. — and hundreds of millions more worldwide — since emergency use began in December.
42% Efficacy and falling as of this milestone vs. a natural immune response.
The healthy public is proper fucked!
The Vaccine Wars have begun.
No disrespect to the Clones given this was a bad ass ending.
I love how MSM and the government are assuming this approval somehow makes the limitted, historical data on this vaccine all that much better. Don't they understand, it takes time to build people's trust. 8 months for a vaccine is just not sufficient. Then you add in the fact the efficacy is weaning day by day.
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Political pressure from Biden Admin on FDA to approve Pfizer vax.
This will encourage mandatory vax.
The Moderna vax is more effective against Delta.
When will FDA approve Moderna? What's the holdup?
J&J will probably never get approval.
Novavax will seek emergency approval soon. Traditional non-mrna vax.
If this is so, I am glad that I got the Moderna.
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I don't trust vaccine
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If this is so, I am glad that I got the Moderna.
;D
Either way we are going to have a hard time having a proper meal at a fine dining restaurant without a vaccine card.
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;D
Either way we are going to have a hard time having a proper meal at a fine dining restaurant without a vaccine card.
Mine was fully filled out at the beginning of April. No strokes or other side effect thus far.
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I hope more people take the vaccine. Cull the herd.
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So, does this mean Pfizer can be held liable for any adverse reactions?
Of course not.
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If this is so, I am glad that I got the Moderna.
Only slightly better.
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Of course not.
It was a dumb question. My bad😂
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You want to medicate the whole world regardless?
Make sure the Zoo animals get their 3rd dosage of Pzifer also, you here me.
Nope.
But you think science, in this case, is based on pure motives. It's been established it is not.
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Remember what they taught us as kids, just say no to drugs.
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Nope.
But you think science, in this case, is based on pure motives. It's been established it is not.
Science has never been based on pure motives. I have seen many a research study 'adjusted" to give an outcome the sponsor wanted.
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Science has never been based on pure motives. I have seen many a research study 'adjusted" to give an outcome the sponsor wanted.
Agreed. But G seems to think otherwise.
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It was a dumb question. My bad😂
I was joshing you.
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So, does this mean Pfizer can be held liable for any adverse reactions?
The Pfizer vaccine just got FULL use approval by the FDA.
That means it's safe and effective in treating covid-19.
THIS is from the world of real medical science based on rigorous trials NOT social media hype.
I'm sorry, but your beliefs against this are based on delusional nonsense that only exists in minds like yours.
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The Pfizer vaccine just got FULL use approval by the FDA.
That means it's safe and effective in treating covid-19.
THIS is from the world of real medical science based on rigorous trials NOT social media hype.
I'm sorry, but your beliefs against this are based on delusional nonsense that only exists in minds like yours.
Is that a yes or no?
BTW, it’s not just people in jail who are institutionalized, it’s basically anybody who works for the government.
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Is that a yes or no?
Howard's doctor went to Morehouse Med School so you can take it to the bank.
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The Pfizer vaccine just got FULL use approval by the FDA.
That means it's safe and effective in treating covid-19.
THIS is from the world of real medical science based on rigorous trials NOT social media hype.
I'm sorry, but your beliefs against this are based on delusional nonsense that only exists in minds like yours.
What are the long term effects?
Do you have a link to the studies from the world of real medical science based on rigorous trials?
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Howard's doctor went to Morehouse Med School so you can take it to the bank.
I thought he went to “Vinnie’s Medical School and Collision Repair.”
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I thought he went to “Vinnie’s Medical School and Collision Repair.”
They do good work and cheap.
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Is that a yes or no?
BTW, it’s not just people in jail who are institutionalized, it’s basically anybody who works for the government.
In simple direct terms, on Covid-19 , you're a wacko conspiracy nut.
You've got a lot of like minded people here to interact with, but, I'm not one of 'em.
Good luck.
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So, does this mean Pfizer can be held liable for any adverse reactions?
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does it matter? you were never gonna take it, or at least admit that you've taken it on getbig.
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What are the long term effects?
Do you have a link to the studies from the world of real medical science based on rigorous trials?
You've got it in your head, that Covid-19 vaccines are dangerous and nothing I post will change THAT.
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Here's an answer to lack of efficacy: When you are infected with the real virus it is going thru a constant state spacing (Forgot that Delta bull, given each generation that's produced from reverse transcription looks slight different from its' forefather.), mutations, so your immune has to adapt Borg Style. Now, the injections on only produce monoclonal spikes identical across all cells. Get that picture. Now, what happens when your body experiences the real variable virus? Efficacy is bish with these poorly constructed compounds.
A virus so deadly that 99.5% of people need a qtip up the nose to know they have it vs. the common flu bug.
From my understanding Pzifer is already talking about a 4th injection.
A very sad day for the sciences.
GThang, you're a good dude and I like you, but you're totally wrong on this issue.
Having said THAT, I also know and accept anything I could post won't change your mind.
Please stay safe /healthy my friend
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GThang, you're a good dude and I like you, but you're totally wrong on this issue.
Having said THAT, I also know and accept anything I could post won't change your mind.
Please stay safe /healthy my friend
lol - hubris to the max.
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More smoke and mirrors by the “Biden” administration
C'mon Coach, even Trump just said he took the vax and advised his rally crowd to take it (in AL, this weekend).
He said it was safe and effective and they boooo'd him for it.
Sadly, AL and Miss has more Covid patients then hospital beds for 'em.
The vast majority needing hospital care for Covid are UNvaccinated.
Meanwhile , may of the leading pundits on your side advise taking Ivermectin for Covid.
Ivermectin is a cow and horse de-wormer you can buy at a feed store. There are no credible studies on using it for Covid.
Many who try it, are getting seriously ill and have to be treated for taking a poison.
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You've got it in your head, that Covid-19 vaccines are dangerous and nothing I post will change THAT.
Once again you have to make an assumption to support your argument.
I've never once said that.
Now, please provide the requested link to the long term effect studies.
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What are the long term effects?
Do you have a link to the studies from the world of real medical science based on rigorous trials?
I'm not a scientist, medical expert or a virologist, but I suspect one could make a fairly accurate guess at possible long term side effects based on other vaccines for viruses. Some of these vaccines have been around for decades. It shouldn't be hard to come up with a comparative study. https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-side-effects-and-adverse-events https://www.mskcc.org/coronavirus/what-s-different-about-messenger-rna-vaccines-covid-19
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I thought he went to “Vinnie’s Medical School and Collision Repair.”
;D
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It’s understandable that people would get this worthless product so that the government makes their lives a little bit less miserable but pretending that this is anything other than a massive wealth transfer to the medical establishment is either intellectually dishonest or just delusional.
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;D
Howard’s Doctor has that same jacket👍
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I'm not a scientist, medical expert or a virologist, but I suspect one could make a fairly accurate guess at possible long term side effects based on other vaccines for viruses. Some of these vaccines have been around for decades. It shouldn't be hard to come up with a comparative study. https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-side-effects-and-adverse-events https://www.mskcc.org/coronavirus/what-s-different-about-messenger-rna-vaccines-covid-19
Sure - look up some prior mRNA vaccines that have been around and compare.
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Once again you have to make an assumption to support your argument.
I've never once said that.
Now, please provide the requested link to the long term effect studies.
I'm not providing any links and already gave my answer.
Good luck and stay safe/healthy
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I'm not providing any links and already gave my answer.
Good luck and stay safe/healthy
In other words, you make an incorrect assumption, then cop out of the conversation.
At least you can't delete your posts this time to do it.
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In other words, you make an incorrect assumption, then cop out of the conversation.
At least you can't delete your posts this time to do it.
It's quickly became obvious, your beliefs on this issue are fixed.
For me, more "debate" is pointless.
Believe what you want and good luck.
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It's quickly became obvious, your beliefs on this issue are fixed.
For me, more "debate" is pointless.
Believe what you want and good luck.
You have no idea what my beliefs on the issue are at all.
If you did, you wouldn't have made the assumption that you did.
And my views evolve the more I learn.
So, yes, you've assumed and ran off.
Howard the Coward redux.
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Howard's doctor went to Morehouse Med School so you can take it to the bank.
Call me dumb , but I'm going with the advice of a board certified internist MD .
Some of the Covid and anti-vax nonsense some of you buy into is just plain crazy. ;)
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You have no idea what my beliefs on the issue are at all.
If you did, you wouldn't have made the assumption that you did.
And my views evolve the more I learn.
So, yes, you've assumed and ran off.
Howard the Coward redux.
I learned long ago, not to try and argue with a drunk or a crazy person.
In my opinion, you haven't been drinking.
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I learned long ago, not to try and argue with a drunk or a crazy person.
In my opinion, you haven't been drinking.
What have I said that's crazy?
Listen, if you can't answer the questions that I've asked, or admit you were just wrong, just stop responding.
Nobody will be surprised.
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Mine was fully filled out at the beginning of April. No strokes or other side effect thus far.
Yes it seems that moderna may be better at preventing infection than Pfizer with delta strain. Both vaccines are still effective at preventing serious illness. Re side effects if you haven't had any now you won't have any, I'd be more worried about the AIDS from the cocks you been sucking.... :D :D
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What have I said that's crazy?
Listen, if you can't answer the questions that I've asked, or admit you were just wrong, just stop responding.
Nobody will be surprised.
I hear ya and I was just making a goofy, silly reply. It's still getbig isn't it? ;)
Ok, maybe you are being serious with your questions and concerns.
I can appreciate THAT, but c'mon, no form of proof is ever enough for many who post here?
It's always another question, conspiracy theory and more doubt. It's endless dribble that goes on and on.
Dude, the FDA just gave FULL use approval for the 1st Covid vax ( Pfizer).
This is the "gold standard " of safety and effectiveness . It's the best proof any drug can get.
If that's not good enough, nothing I can say matters.
You're right, at this point any more "debate " is pointless.
Believe whatever you want. I give up ;D
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The Pfizer vaccine just got FULL use approval by the FDA.
That means it's safe and effective in treating covid-19.
THIS is from the world of real medical science based on rigorous trials NOT social media hype.
I'm sorry, but your beliefs against this are based on delusional nonsense that only exists in minds like yours.
Wrong again you naive trusting retard.
It just means means that Pfizer is safe and has a degree of effectiveness... To what degree is debatable.
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I think with all the doses administered at this point Pfizer is likely a safe vaccine, we just need to wait a little longer for results re boosters and use in different demographics but atm it looks good on safety.
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I hear ya and I was just making a goofy, silly reply. It's still getbig isn't it? ;)
Ok, maybe you are being serious with your questions and concerns.
I can appreciate THAT, but c'mon, no form of proof is ever enough for many who post here?
It's always another question, conspiracy theory and more doubt. It's endless dribble that goes on and on.
Dude, the FDA just gave FULL use approval for the 1st Covid vax ( Pfizer).
This is the "gold standard " of safety and effectiveness . It's the best proof any drug can get.
If that's not good enough, nothing I can say matters.
You're right, at this point any more "debate " is pointless.
Believe whatever you want. I give up ;D
It's not that it's not good enough, it's just that there's much more context that should be taken into consideration.
Over large sample sizes, in a short time period, the therapy is safe, that's what the math says.
But individuals are sample sizes of one, an insignificant sample in the aggregate, but super important to that individual.
So I believe each individual should weigh their own personal risk profile, and be entitled to make their decision based on that, without catching shit from anyone else telling them what they "should" be doing.
For example, even in the FDA approval doc on Pfizer, it says they will continue to monitor and track cases of myocarditis. Someone with any potential heart issue, who is otherwise in great metabolic health, may opt that it's better for them to get the virus and beat it, than to risk that particular side effect. There are countless other examples.
In addition, as you know why I was asking, there are zero long term studies, and that is also a valid concern.
So, no I don't think it's dangerous on the aggregate. Most who take it, will be less susceptible to hospitalizations or severe effects if they do get Covid in a breakthrough.
But that doesn't mean it's not potentially lethal to others, and they have every right not to take it, and not have restrictions.
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I am feeling pretty damn healthy. I don't take flu shots and I don't plan to take a Covid shot either. Honestly you can keep your chin diapers as well.
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It's not that it's not good enough, it's just that there's much more context that should be taken into consideration.
Over large sample sizes, in a short time period, the therapy is safe, that's what the math says.
But individuals are sample sizes of one, an insignificant sample in the aggregate, but super important to that individual.
So I believe each individual should weigh their own personal risk profile, and be entitled to make their decision based on that, without catching shit from anyone else telling them what they "should" be doing.
For example, even in the FDA approval doc on Pfizer, it says they will continue to monitor and track cases of myocarditis. Someone with any potential heart issue, who is otherwise in great metabolic health, may opt that it's better for them to get the virus and beat it, than to risk that particular side effect. There are countless other examples.
In addition, as you know why I was asking, there are zero long term studies, and that is also a valid concern.
So, no I don't think it's dangerous on the aggregate. Most who take it, will be less susceptible to hospitalizations or severe effects if they do get Covid in a breakthrough.
But that doesn't mean it's potentially lethal to others, and they have every right not to take it, and not have restrictions.
Great post! Agree 100%
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It's not that it's not good enough, it's just that there's much more context that should be taken into consideration.
Over large sample sizes, in a short time period, the therapy is safe, that's what the math says.
But individuals are sample sizes of one, an insignificant sample in the aggregate, but super important to that individual.
So I believe each individual should weigh their own personal risk profile, and be entitled to make their decision based on that, without catching shit from anyone else telling them what they "should" be doing.
For example, even in the FDA approval doc on Pfizer, it says they will continue to monitor and track cases of myocarditis. Someone with any potential heart issue, who is otherwise in great metabolic health, may opt that it's better for them to get the virus and beat it, than to risk that particular side effect. There are countless other examples.
In addition, as you know why I was asking, there are zero long term studies, and that is also a valid concern.
So, no I don't think it's dangerous on the aggregate. Most who take it, will be less susceptible to hospitalizations or severe effects if they do get Covid in a breakthrough.
But that doesn't mean it's potentially lethal to others, and they have every right not to take it, and not have restrictions.
To your point...
If I was a young male under 25 I wouldn't get the Pfizer vaccine as risk reward isn't there imo, due to very minimal covid risk compared to the small risk of myocarditis in this age group with Pfizer.
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Oxycodone was approved by the FDA too. Nothing to see here, move along... ;D
https://www.businessinsider.com/fda-chief-approved-oxycontin-six-figure-gig-at-purdue-pharma-2021-5
The US regulator who oversaw the approval of the highly-addictive opioid OxyContin got a six-figure gig at the drug's manufacturer a year later, a new book claims.
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Oxycodone was approved by the FDA too. Nothing to see here, move along... ;D
https://www.businessinsider.com/fda-chief-approved-oxycontin-six-figure-gig-at-purdue-pharma-2021-5
The US regulator who oversaw the approval of the highly-addictive opioid OxyContin got a six-figure gig at the drug's manufacturer a year later, a new book claims.
This is what people who are continually calling for heavy regulations don’t understand. Eventually the regulators get in bed with the industry that they’re supposed to be regulating.
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Just after I made reservations to visit friends up north, Multnomah County mandated masks for indoor public places. With Pfizer’s jab now FDA-approved, will my Moderna vax become inadequate to get me into a restaurant?
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Just after I made reservations to visit friends up north, Multnomah County mandated masks for indoor public places. With Pfizer’s jab now FDA-approved, will my Moderna vax become inadequate to get me into a restaurant?
I suspect most people who got the Moderna are asking themselves that question today. Based on past performance, I believe it will be recommended that those who got the Moderna also get the Pfizer.
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The Pfizer vaccine just got FULL use approval by the FDA.
That means it's safe and effective in treating covid-19.
THIS is from the world of real medical science based on rigorous trials NOT social media hype.
I'm sorry, but your beliefs against this are based on delusional nonsense that only exists in minds like yours.
It’s only been a short while so to fully trust this is a bit premature,no?
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According to the release it's just an extension of the EUA with an extension for the 12-16 age groups....an age strata that they have very little data for.
Remember, both mRNA vax's slate/were at Phase 3 of the the 4 phase FDA clinical trials.
We live in interesting times.
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Perfect timing....Biden talked about this today...took no questions on Afghanistan. ::)
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What if I told you the former head of the FDA was currently sitting on the board at Pfizer? That would be crazy, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Gottlieb
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According to the release it's just an extension of the EUA with an extension for the 12-16 age groups....an age strata that they have very little data for.
Remember, both mRNA vax's slate/were at Phase 3 of the the 4 phase FDA clinical trials.
We live in interesting times.
Lots of data on the deceased fat and elderly. Millions between 5 and 18 infected, but less than 300 deaths since the virus arrived.
Most interesting times.
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-on-Ages-0-18-Yea/nr4s-juj3
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C'mon Coach, even Trump just said he took the vax and advised his rally crowd to take it (in AL, this weekend).
He said it was safe and effective and they boooo'd him for it.
Sadly, AL and Miss has more Covid patients then hospital beds for 'em.
The vast majority needing hospital care for Covid are UNvaccinated.
Meanwhile , may of the leading pundits on your side advise taking Ivermectin for Covid.
Ivermectin is a cow and horse de-wormer you can buy at a feed store. There are no credible studies on using it for Covid.
Many who try it, are getting seriously ill and have to be treated for taking a poison.
Howard why do you care so much for these lemmings who refuse the vaccine?
You've never had children, by your own choice (which is the right choice if you dont want them), but despite not wanting to raise children of your own you still have this God complex where you want to save the world from covid. Why?
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Still not taking it.
I don't need a reason not to take it. Not taking it is the default position. The only reason to take it comes from institutional and social pressure, not anything from real life. To this day I don't know a single person who has died from this virus, and only know of one person who was in bad health getting particularly ill. I just don't give a fuck. There has not been a single instance that hit home and made me care enough to modify my behavior in any way unless coerced, and it's not like I don't know people who are vulnerable.
Everything about this pandemic including the vaccine stinks so bad you can probably smell the stench from the moon. To say I don't trust the people telling me what to do is an understatement. When they tell me to put something in my body I am running for the hills.
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I think with all the doses administered at this point Pfizer is likely a safe vaccine
Over large sample sizes, in a short time period, the therapy is safe
tards will tard.
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I dont know which one she got, but a gal I went to school with, her (30 yr old) daughter just got the Vax and died 2-days later.
No (known) health issues.
She was a HS teacher and was pressured into to getting it, as school will be returning...
Sad stuff...
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Pediatricians say it's a 'no-no' to vaccinate children under 12 against COVID-19 – even though it's now legal
https://www.yahoo.com/news/pediatricians-no-no-vaccinate-children-100055215.html
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I dont know which one she got, but a gal I went to school with, her (30 yr old) daughter just got the Vax and died 2-days later.
No (known) health issues.
She was a HS teacher and was pressured into to getting it, as school will be returning...
Sad stuff...
So, after 1.5 years or so of this fiasco:
1. Folks I know who have died from the RONA = 0
2. Folks I know who have died from the Vax = 1
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Oxycodone was approved by the FDA too. Nothing to see here, move along... ;D
https://www.businessinsider.com/fda-chief-approved-oxycontin-six-figure-gig-at-purdue-pharma-2021-5
The US regulator who oversaw the approval of the highly-addictive opioid OxyContin got a six-figure gig at the drug's manufacturer a year later, a new book claims.
Solid post
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This is what people who are continually calling for heavy regulations don’t understand. Eventually the regulators get in bed with the industry that they’re supposed to be regulating.
Yep
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tards will tard.
Explain.
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Oxycodone was approved by the FDA too. Nothing to see here, move along... ;D
https://www.businessinsider.com/fda-chief-approved-oxycontin-six-figure-gig-at-purdue-pharma-2021-5
The US regulator who oversaw the approval of the highly-addictive opioid OxyContin got a six-figure gig at the drug's manufacturer a year later, a new book claims.
And so was Tylenol.
Acetaminophen overdose is the leading cause for calls to Poison Control Centers (>100,000/year) and accounts for more than 56,000 emergency room visits, 2,600 hospitalizations, and an estimated 458 deaths due to acute liver failure each year. Data from the U.S. Acute Liver Failure Study Group registry of more than 700 patients with acute liver failure across the United States implicates acetaminophen poisoning in nearly 50% of all acute liver failure in this country. Available in many single or combination products, acetaminophen produces more than 1 billion US dollars in annual sales for Tylenol products alone. It is heavily marketed for its safety compared to nonsteroidal analgesics. By enabling self-diagnosis and treatment of minor aches and pains, its benefits are said by the Food and Drug Administration to outweigh its risks. It still must be asked: Is this amount of injury and death really acceptable for an over-the-counter pain reliever?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15239078/
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Ultra-Vaxxed Israel’s Crisis Is a Dire Warning to America
In June, there were several days with zero new COVID infections in Israel. The country launched its national vaccination campaign in December last year and has one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, with 80 percent of citizens above the age of 12 fully inoculated. COVID, most Israelis thought, had been defeated.
Fast forward two months later: Israel reported 9,831 new diagnosed cases on Tuesday, a hairbreadth away from the worst daily figure ever recorded in the country—10,000—at the peak of the third wave. More than 350 people have died of the disease in the first three weeks of August. In a Sunday press conference, the directors of seven public hospitals announced that they could no longer admit any coronavirus patients. With 670 COVID-19 patients requiring critical care, their wards are overflowing and staff are at breaking point.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ultra-vaxxed-israel-debacle-dire-073840050.html
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Still not taking it.
I don't need a reason not to take it. Not taking it is the default position. The only reason to take it comes from institutional and social pressure, not anything from real life. To this day I don't know a single person who has died from this virus, and only know of one person who was in bad health getting particularly ill. I just don't give a fuck. There has not been a single instance that hit home and made me care enough to modify my behavior in any way unless coerced, and it's not like I don't know people who are vulnerable.
Everything about this pandemic including the vaccine stinks so bad you can probably smell the stench from the moon. To say I don't trust the people telling me what to do is an understatement. When they tell me to put something in my body I am running for the hills.
If anyone wants or needs to travel overseas, they will probably need to have the vaccine.
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I read the whole FDA approval letter. It is still an emergency use authorization, they did not finish the trials. This is a political move for press, must have been a lot of pressure from the top. There have been 370 drugs recalled that had FDA approval since 2017.
"On August 23, 2021, having concluded that revising this EUA is appropriate to protect the public health or safety under section 564(g)(2) of the Act, FDA is reissuing the August 12, 2021 letter of authorization in its entirety with revisions incorporated to clarify that the EUA will remain in place for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for the previously-authorized indication and uses, and to authorize use of COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) under this EUA for certain uses that are not included in the approved BLA."
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Do you have a link to that?
I read the letter but did not see what you posted. Maybe I have the wrong letter?
Full FDA approval for age 16+.
EUA for ages 12-15.
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https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fda.gov%2Fmedia%2F150386%2Fdownload%3ALpCFjiCQwprLvS-2tiqC0zPq8TY&cuid=2911865
"This EUA will be effective until the declaration that circumstances exist justifying the
authorization of the emergency use of drugs and biological products during the COVID-19
pandemic is terminated under Section 564(b)(2) of the Act or the EUA is revoked under Section
564(g) of the Act."
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Howard why do you care so much for these lemmings who refuse the vaccine?
You've never had children, by your own choice (which is the right choice if you dont want them), but despite not wanting to raise children of your own you still have this God complex where you want to save the world from covid. Why?
Fair question and deserving of a thoughtful answer:
1. I'm actually a humble man and don't think I'm some all knowing authority.
In fact, I look at recognized medical /scientific sources as reliable and know more then I .
No source is ever perfect, but FDA full approval is the best we're gonna get for any vaccine.
2. For GOD knows what reason, I like and care about some people I've met thru getbig.
For example, I like Coach and think he's a decent man despite our political differences.
Your reply/question made you seem like a decent, sincere man , so I've made a serious reply.
3. Before/after every serious reply I make on COVID, I wonder why I bothered.
It ends up being ridiculed and I wasted my time along with the target audience .
4. You're right, I never had a desire to have my own children.
I also know many men enjoy being father's and couldn't imagine life without their kids.
I respect those who feel the way and know the world needs devoted dads.
My main deal on the kid issue , comes down to 1 word ..." inevitable".
In my opinion, having children is optional , NOT inevitable .
If you want kids, GREAT. If not, just make sure you use some reliable form of contraception.
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A lot of this boils down to distrust. Distrust of the government, distrust of all societal authority figures. This is their fault, not the public's fault. Over my lifetime I've seen their incompetence, dishonesty, partisanship, and corruption on full display. It seems worse every year. You can't trust any of them for anything big or small. They exist only to enrich themselves and grow their own power. They cling to power until they fall over and die of old age. They couldn't give a fuck about the people they are supposed to serve and represent. They are lying thieves. That's obvious. If they are looking for someone to blame, then they should look in the mirror. Twenty years ago I would have taken the shot and thought nothing of it. Times have changed.
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So, after 1.5 years or so of this fiasco:
1. Folks I know who have died from the RONA = 0
2. Folks I know who have died from the Vax = 1
sorry you dont have friends?
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The Pfizer vaccine just got FULL use approval by the FDA.
That means it's safe and effective in treating covid-19.
THIS is from the world of real medical science based on rigorous trials NOT social media hype.
I'm sorry, but your beliefs against this are based on delusional nonsense that only exists in minds like yours.
It has a 42% efficacy and falling. Yeah, that's super effective. Have you received your 3rd shot yet in 8 months? You see people getting 3 flu shots in 8 months. Why we don't hear about the natural immunity people having issues after experiencing the real variable virus vs. the cloned, fake spiked cells.
Let us talk in about 7-10 years when the cellular enzymes defects start to pop up like cancers. You do realize there are interactions with enzymes to produce those spikes on your cells, those same enzymes which cause cells to become cancerous.
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A lot of this boils down to distrust. Distrust of the government, distrust of all societal authority figures. This is their fault, not the public's fault. Over my lifetime I've seen their incompetence, dishonesty, partisanship, and corruption on full display. It seems worse every year. You can't trust any of them for anything big or small. They exist only to enrich themselves and grow their own power. They cling to power until they fall over and die of old age. They couldn't give a fuck about the people they are supposed to serve and represent. They are lying thieves. That's obvious. If they are looking for someone to blame, then they should look in the mirror. Twenty years ago I would have taken the shot and thought nothing of it. Times have changed.
Good post.
However, when I see bodybuilders refuse the vaccine but pump cycles of underground steroids, the "heath concerns" argument seems silly.
Same misguided logic, when college kids binge drink and take rec drug by the handful but think a covid vaccine is too risky. WTF
Yes, a small % on strict diets and natural lifestyles may have legit concerns about putting foreign substances in their body.
BUT, most who refuse to get a vaccine are just being obnoxious and stubborn . C'mon now, just be honest about your real motivation here.
It's a public health issue, and the best way to eradicate Covid is by vaccine.
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the best way to eradicate Covid is by vaccine.
How so?
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It has a 42% efficacy and falling. Yeah, that's super effective. Have you received your 3rd shot yet in 8 months? You see people getting 3 flu shots in 8 months. Why we don't hear about the natural immunity people having issues after experiencing the real variable virus vs. the cloned, fake spiked cells.
Let us talk in about 7-10 years when the cellular enzymes defects start to pop up like cancers. You do realize there are interactions with enzymes to produce those spikes on your cells, those same enzymes which cause cells to become cancerous.
GThang, I'll give you credit for sticking to the actual issue and nor resorting to silly insults wars. Thank you for that.
Let me use a basic analogy that makes my point clear.
If the house is on fire, the fire dept hoses it down to put it out and doesn't worry about the furniture getting wet.
Right now, we have a serious pandemic roaring like a proverbial fire thru various regions .
The states of AL and Miss ( La? )have more Covid patients then they can treat in hospitals.
Florida just exceeded 8 millions cases and growing rapidly .
The root of the problem is due to UNvaccinated people now.
Get a vaccine, and let's end this terrible virus , asap.
Thanks again for keeping things thoughtful and on topic.
I can appreciate your long term concerns, but the FDA and people's primary care docs say the vaccine is safe.
No human's are 100% correct, but I trust them MORE then some hypothetical possibilities .
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Good post.
However, when I see bodybuilders refuse the vaccine but pump cycles of underground steroids, the "heath concerns" argument seems silly.
Same misguided logic, when college kids binge drink and take rec drug by the handful but think a covid vaccine is too risky. WTF
Yes, a small % on strict diets and natural lifestyles may have legit concerns about putting foreign substances in their body.
BUT, most who refuse to get a vaccine are just being obnoxious and stubborn . C'mon now, just be honest about your real motivation here.
It's a public health issue, and the best way to eradicate Covid is by vaccine.
You are talking to a person who doesn't smoke, drink alcohol, take recreation drugs or steroids. Never in my life.
My real motivation is preserving liberty which is what the United States was founded on. Two quick points........
1. If the vaccines worked then vaccinated people should have nothing to worry about. they would be protected and the unvaccinated are responsible for themeslves.
2. Maybe some of these vaccination zealots would be happier in china. China doies a good job of making people do what they are told.
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How so?
Go read the history of vaccines and how they were able to eradicate many horrible diseases.
That's settled science with a long track record of success.
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You are talking to a person who doesn't smoke, drink alcohol, take recreation drugs or steroids. Never in my life.
My real motivation is preserving liberty which is what the United States was founded on. Two quick points........
1. If the vaccines worked then vaccinated people should have nothing to worry about. they would be protected and the unvaccinated are responsible for themeslves.
2. Maybe some of these vaccination zealots would be happier in china. China doies a good job of making people do what they are told.
It's against the law to burn tires in your backyard or drive an oil burning car because it pollutes the air we all have to breath.
The overall heath and welfare of the general public is what's important.
Unless you want to live alone on island, you need to recognize the health and safety of others.
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To the pro-compounders (It's not a vaccine!)…show me datum on a drug at the time of FDA approval had a plummeting effectiveness against its' target disease. In literally 8 months it's gone from 95% - 42% and falling.
Do not give me HIV treatments and wasting. They were always done in cocktails.
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Too bad they administered 200 mil shots before the zoo animals got their shots. No animals were harmed in this experiment. PETA will love that.
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Go read the history of vaccines and how they were able to eradicate many horrible diseases.
That's settled science with a long track record of success.
Vaccines won't eradicate this particular virus. It will be with us endemically even with a 100% vaccination uptake.
Unless you want to live alone on island, you need to recognize the health and safety of others.
You should start by recognizing your own health and safety fat man
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Full approval? Eh, wasn't this just a 2 year extension of the EUA with an age addition of 12-17?
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To the pro-compounders (It's not a vaccine!)…show me datum on a drug at the time of FDA approval had a plummeting effectiveness against its' target disease. In literally 8 months it's gone from 95% - 42% and falling.
Do not give me HIV treatments and wasting. They were always done in cocktails.
I'm no doc or expert and won't pretend I can give detailed answers to your questions.
LOL, I could provide links, but that's a personal cop out .
Suffice to say I trust my personal doc and their advice on Covid and my health .
The growing reality is, you're gonna need a covid vaccine for travel , work , schools and entry to some public events.
Nobody is going to break into your home and hold you down for a shot, here in the USA.
BUT, you're personal and professional life may be affected if you refuse.
You're a smart man, and know the deal, so it's your call.
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I'm no doc or expert and won't pretend I can give detailed answers to your questions.
LOL, I could provide links, but that's a personal cop out .
Suffice to say I trust my personal doc and their advice on Covid and my health .
The growing reality is, you're gonna need a covid vaccine for travel , work , schools and entry to some public events.
Nobody is going to break into your home and hold you down for a shot, here in the USA.
BUT, you're personal and professional life may be affected if you refuse.
You're a smart man, and know the deal, so it's your call.
All I asked for, was a vaccine with a fold efficacy drop while giving you multiple shots to maintain the initial efficacy hot and fresh out the kitchen, it's the remix to ignition all at the very day the FDA approved it. you must exclude off regimes and cocktails compounds, a single or 2 dose fucboi vaccine will do. you have to meet all the keynote points.
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A lot of this boils down to distrust. Distrust of the government, distrust of all societal authority figures. This is their fault, not the public's fault. Over my lifetime I've seen their incompetence, dishonesty, partisanship, and corruption on full display. It seems worse every year. You can't trust any of them for anything big or small. They exist only to enrich themselves and grow their own power. They cling to power until they fall over and die of old age. They couldn't give a fuck about the people they are supposed to serve and represent. They are lying thieves. That's obvious. If they are looking for someone to blame, then they should look in the mirror. Twenty years ago I would have taken the shot and thought nothing of it. Times have changed.
but distrust of all governments all over the world? take me for example i'm Israeli,we may have policy disagreements but there's no doubt in any israeli mind that the government is pro jew\jewish. We have the government that says "if someone kills 1 jew, we kill 100 of them," are they also using this to get rich? is every country doing the same? because the response is pretty unilateral amongst every nation
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All I asked for, was a vaccine with a fold efficacy drop while giving you multiple shots to maintain the initial efficacy hot and fresh out the kitchen, it's the remix to ignition all at the very day the FDA approved it. you must exclude off regimes and cocktails compounds, a single or 2 dose fucboi vaccine will do. you have to meet all the keynote points.
I'm highly impressed we have more then 1 safe and effective vaccines at this point to eradicate the virus.
Right now, the existing covid vaccines are never going to be perfect, but they're really good.
If we need a "booster" after 8 mos to maintain max efficacy , fine with me.
The main goal is to keep all of us alive and out of the hospital.
That's totally doable , right now and what I'm backing.
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It’s understandable that people would get this worthless product so that the government makes their lives a little bit less miserable but pretending that this is anything other than a massive wealth transfer to the medical establishment is either intellectually dishonest or just delusional.
Yada...yada...yada
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"This EUA will be effective until the declaration that circumstances exist justifying the
authorization of the emergency use of drugs and biological products during the COVID-19
pandemic is terminated under Section 564(b)(2) of the Act or the EUA is revoked under Section
564(g) of the Act."
Thanks!
Just an extension of the EUA (Emergency Use Authorization and NOT a full approval of the Pfizer vax. More propaganda.
Pfizer has been instructed to continue testing the vaccine for several years for known and unknown adverse effects.
Only after these continuing tests and studies have been performed to satisfaction will the FDA grant full approval.
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Still not taking it.
I don't need a reason not to take it. Not taking it is the default position. The only reason to take it comes from institutional and social pressure, not anything from real life. To this day I don't know a single person who has died from this virus, and only know of one person who was in bad health getting particularly ill. I just don't give a fuck. There has not been a single instance that hit home and made me care enough to modify my behavior in any way unless coerced, and it's not like I don't know people who are vulnerable.
Everything about this pandemic including the vaccine stinks so bad you can probably smell the stench from the moon. To say I don't trust the people telling me what to do is an understatement. When they tell me to put something in my body I am running for the hills.
History is filled with diehard hold outs and it rarely works out well for 'em.
I can tell from your post, you really believe in NOT getting a vax.
I know trying to convince you is pointless.
However, you'll eventually have only 2 choices :
1. Get the vax or 2. Live in some form of self-imposed isolation
I get the impression , you're not crazy, so you'll reluctantly get the vaccine for practical reasons .
By this time next year, you'll be vaccinated , healthy and fine and this will be a NON issue for you.
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History is filled with diehard hold outs and it rarely works out well for 'em.
I can tell from your post, you really believe in NOT getting a vax.
I know trying to convince you is pointless.
However, you'll eventually have only 2 choices :
1. Get the vax or 2. Live in some form of self-imposed isolation
I get the impression , you're not crazy, so you'll reluctantly get the vaccine for practical reasons .
By this time next year, you'll be vaccinated , healthy and fine and this will be a NON issue for you.
How many times are you going to make the same post?
It's OK to......not post.
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History is filled with diehard hold outs and it rarely works out well for 'em.
I can tell from your post, you really believe in NOT getting a vax.
I know trying to convince you is pointless.
However, you'll eventually have only 2 choices :
1. Get the vax or 2. Live in some form of self-imposed isolation
I get the impression , you're not crazy, so you'll reluctantly get the vaccine for practical reasons .
By this time next year, you'll be vaccinated , healthy and fine and this will be a NON issue for you.
What would you say to those who choose not to take a vaccine because it was rushed out in record time, because there is no data showing its long term safety and where the companies who produce it are not held liable?
Not to mention for a virus which has a mortality rate that is abysmally low for anyone under 60 yrs old
You can have your own views but those are respectable and legitimate points I see being made and not something to just write off
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Sure - look up some prior mRNA vaccines that have been around and compare.
Don't you think the mRNA was a natural progression from RNA vaccines because of a need for something that would work on COVID? New developments and discoveries in science are often based on what is already known and because of a need. Prior to COVID, RNA vaccines worked for many viruses. Were there vaccines exactly like the polio vaccine prior to its development? Vaccines have been around for 2 centuries when the small pox vaccine was discovered and created from cowpox blisters found on human hands.
New and better vaccines are being discovered all the time. Zostavax came about in 2006 as a means reducing the severity of shingles. Within not too many years the Shingrex vaccine was developed out of a need for a better shingles vaccine. In the U.S. Shingrex has completely replaced Zostavax because it is far more effective at preventing serious cases of shingles.
Traditional vaccines put a weakened or inactivated germ into our bodies. Messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines teach our cells how to make a protein that triggers an immune response when someone gets infected.
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Still not taking it.
I don't need a reason not to take it. Not taking it is the default position. The only reason to take it comes from institutional and social pressure, not anything from real life. To this day I don't know a single person who has died from this virus, and only know of one person who was in bad health getting particularly ill. I just don't give a fuck. There has not been a single instance that hit home and made me care enough to modify my behavior in any way unless coerced, and it's not like I don't know people who are vulnerable.
Everything about this pandemic including the vaccine stinks so bad you can probably smell the stench from the moon. To say I don't trust the people telling me what to do is an understatement. When they tell me to put something in my body I am running for the hills.
This^ I've had Covid and I am not getting any vaccine. It simply is not necessary.
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What would you say to those who choose not to take a vaccine because it was rushed out in record time, because there is no data showing its long term safety and where the companies who produce it are not held liable?
Not to mention for a virus which has a mortality rate that is abysmally low for anyone under 60 yrs old
You can have your own views but those are respectable and legitimate points I see being made and not something to just write off
The latest facts from real life data is :
1. You're 5x more likely to get Covid if you're UN-vaccinated
2. You're 29x more likely to be hospitalized for serious covid illness if you're UN-vaccinated.
This isn't a close call. Get a vax.
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Don't you think the mRNA was a natural progression from RNA vaccines because of a need for something that would work on COVID? New developments and discoveries in science are often based on what is already known and because of a need. Prior to COVID, RNA vaccines worked for many viruses. Were there vaccines exactly like the polio vaccine prior to its development? Vaccines have been around for 2 centuries when the small pox vaccine was discovered and created from cowpox blisters found on human hands.
New and better vaccines are being discovered all the time. Zostavax came about in 2006 as a means reducing the severity of shingles. Within not too many years the Shingrex vaccine was developed out of a need for a better shingles vaccine. In the U.S. Shingrex has completely replaced Zostavax because it is far more effective at preventing serious cases of shingles.
Traditional vaccines put a weakened or inactivated germ into our bodies. Messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines teach our cells how to make a protein that triggers an immune response when someone gets infected.
That particular google doesn't answer the question.
Your point was that we might reasonably guestimate long term side effects based on historical performance.
But there hasn't been an history with mRNA, so that wouldn't work.
That's the real answer.
It's amazing the subjectivity that people are willing to take a leap of faith on.
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Russia and China currently immunize with a non-MRNA Covid vaccine called CoronaVac made by Sinovac in China.
CoronaVac is a traditional non-activated vaccine like the flu vax.
"Sinovac is the dominant vaccine for Brazil, China, Indonesia and Chile (and Russia)."
https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/7/27/22596483/how-effective-is-chinas-sinovac-vaccine-covid
Novavax is a non-MRNA vaccine made in Maryland currently undergoing approvals for use.
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This^ I've had Covid and I am not getting any vaccine. It simply is not necessary.
Any fair person will admit there is some natural antibody protection for anyone who previously got covid .
However, it's not as effective as getting a vax.
Now, that the FDA has given full use approval we will see a variety of covid vax mandates for public health .
Obviously, those in your camp, won't like it and complain or protest. That's to be expected.
In the end , most will get the vax, and have no problems . By next yr it will be a non issue for most people.
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The latest facts from real life data is :
2. You're 29x more likely to be hospitalized for serious covid illness if you're UN-vaccinated.
This isn't a close call. Get a vax.
Yeah, and THAT real life data for a healthy person is something like this: .00005% chance of hospitalization vs 29x that number.
In other words, super low probability of either.
With anything, context is key.
But you should stop telling people what to do. You have no idea of the context of their situation.
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Any fair person will admit there is some natural antibody protection for anyone who previously got covid .
However, it's not as effective as getting a vax.
Now, that the FDA has given full use approval we will see a variety of covid vax mandates for public health .
Obviously, those in your camp, won't like it and complain or protest. That's to be expected.
In the end , most will get the vax, and have no problems . By next yr it will be a non issue for most people.
I don't care if having it before is as effective as the vaccine. I had Covid last week and was not hospitalized. It is not a death sentence like the media makes it out to be. Almost everyone recovers just fine.
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Any fair person will admit there is some natural antibody protection for anyone who previously got covid .
However, it's not as effective as getting a vax.
Now, that the FDA has given full use approval we will see a variety of covid vax mandates for public health .
Obviously, those in your camp, won't like it and complain or protest. That's to be expected.
In the end , most will get the vax, and have no problems . By next yr it will be a non issue for most people.
The FDA has NOT given full approval for the Pfizer vax.
The FDA has only extended the EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) currently in effect.
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The FDA has NOT given full approval for the Pfizer vax.
The FDA has only extended the EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) currently in effect.
So this means they still can't be sued, right?
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The FDA has NOT given full approval for the Pfizer vax.
The FDA has only extended the EUA.
See my above post.
They cut and pasted some FDA statements to try and discredit the full authorization determination.
If you go to the FDA website and read it, you'll see it's NOT the same thing.
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They cut and pasted some FDA statements to try and discredit the full authorization determination.
If you go to the FDA website and read it, you'll see it's NOT the same thing.
Nope, it's the same letter.
https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download
"On August 23, 2021, having concluded that revising this EUA is appropriate to protect the public
health or safety under section 564(g)(2) of the Act, FDA is reissuing the August 12, 2021 letter
of authorization in its entirety with revisions incorporated to clarify that the EUA will remain in
place for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for the previously-authorized indication and
uses, and to authorize use of COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) under this EUA for
certain uses that are not included in the approved BLA."
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Nope, it's the same letter.
https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download
"On August 23, 2021, having concluded that revising this EUA is appropriate to protect the public
health or safety under section 564(g)(2) of the Act, FDA is reissuing the August 12, 2021 letter
of authorization in its entirety with revisions incorporated to clarify that the EUA will remain in
place for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for the previously-authorized indication and
uses, and to authorize use of COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) under this EUA for
certain uses that are not included in the approved BLA."
The extended EUA is only for age 12-15 NOT anyone over age 15.
The very next line on the same FDA release states this.
This was a "cut and paste " scam to support misinformation!
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Study: Fully Vaccinated Healthcare Workers Carry 251 Times Viral Load, Pose Threat to Unvaccinated Patients, Co-Workers
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaccinated-healthcare-workers-threat-unvaccinated-patients-co-workers/
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Honestly, this is a personal choice.
If any of you feel comfortable entrusting the FDA with what goes into your body in the form of a novel vaccine, go for it. There's nothing wrong with making that choice so as long as you're allowed to have a choice. I respect the ability for those that want a vaccine to get it ASAP. What I don't respect is vaccine mandates.
I also don't think that this is the virus that was meant to take out all humanity. I believe in giving our own immune systems a chance to fight this off and recover accordingly with natural-gained immunity. When COVID first hit the scene and there were no vaccines, this thing wasn't killing millions by the day. People got infected, went through their period of being sick and then recovered. Yes, some died, but that happens with many potent viral infections (the Flu included).
Just keep in mind, whether or not you get the vaccine does not make you any better of a person than the next man. The COVID vaccine won't stop you from getting COVID. The vaccine won't stop you from spreading COVID. The vaccine doesn't guarantee that you won't get sick. The vaccine also won't stop you from dying if you develop COVID complications. It so far looks to improve your chances of fending off a bad infection, but even that comes down to individual physiology. One thing is for sure, I've never seen any other governmental campaign being pushed as hard as this one in my entire life.
Do what you feel is right based on your own extensive research. Ultimately, it's your body and you're the one who will pay for the consequences of getting or not getting the vaccine.
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Still not taking it.
I don't need a reason not to take it. Not taking it is the default position. The only reason to take it comes from institutional and social pressure, not anything from real life. To this day I don't know a single person who has died from this virus, and only know of one person who was in bad health getting particularly ill. I just don't give a fuck. There has not been a single instance that hit home and made me care enough to modify my behavior in any way unless coerced, and it's not like I don't know people who are vulnerable.
Everything about this pandemic including the vaccine stinks so bad you can probably smell the stench from the moon. To say I don't trust the people telling me what to do is an understatement. When they tell me to put something in my body I am running for the hills.
History is filled with diehard hold outs and it rarely works out well for 'em.
I can tell from your post, you really believe in NOT getting a vax.
I know trying to convince you is pointless.
However, you'll eventually have only 2 choices :
1. Get the vax or 2. Live in some form of self-imposed isolation
I get the impression , you're not crazy, so you'll reluctantly get the vaccine for practical reasons .
By this time next year, you'll be vaccinated , healthy and fine and this will be a NON issue for you.
Nerdoldnerdith, institutions and social pressures are 'real life' unless you live in a vacuum. In that case, you would have no reason to need this vaccination.
Chances are, you live in the real world where you have at least some social interaction, such as going to the store to buy groceries. Yes, even most hermits have a little bit of social interaction. It is next to impossible to avoid entirely even if you do what Howard suggests, live in self-imposed isolation. Imagine what could happen if the COVID pandemic gets worse and people are sick and/or dying everywhere you go. The level of panic that would ensue would result in social pressure to get vaccinated like you can't even imagine. In the real world there are a lot of institutions. A couple of examples of institutions that are nearly impossible to avoid are the legal system and the economy.
When you are unable to make a living, cannot find housing, food other other amenities that you are used to and expect, you might just "give a fuck." Of course, you can always "run for the hills."
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Nerdoldnerdith, institutions and social pressures are 'real life' unless you live in a vacuum. In that case, you would have no reason to need this vaccination.
Chances are, you live in the real world where you have at least some social interaction, such as going to the store to buy groceries. Yes, even most hermits have a little bit of social interaction. It is next to impossible to avoid entirely even if you do what Howard suggests, live in self-imposed isolation. Imagine what could happen if the COVID pandemic gets worse and people are sick and/or dying everywhere you go. The level of panic that would ensue would result in social pressure to get vaccinated like you can't even imagine. In the real world there are a lot of institutions. A couple of examples of institutions that are nearly impossible to avoid are the legal system and the economy.
When you are unable to make a living, cannot find housing, food other other amenities that you are used to and expect, you might just "give a fuck." Of course, you can always "run for the hills."
Good post Prime!
The real truth is , many of the "vax-refusal" crowd don't want to leave society.
They just don't want to be "inconvenienced" by anything they don't agree with.
They fail to realize that "freedom" comes with responsibility .
It's immature and selfish to ignore the basic civic duty to our communities .
As law abiding drivers, we get a drivers license ,wear seat belts , obey speed limits and avoid driving drunk.
As responsible citizens we pay our taxes, fees, bills and respect the property rights of others.
We wait in line to enter public events and don't cough ( or fart LOL )in other people's faces.
There are numerous expectations we all agree on for orderly public interaction and
nobody thinks it's a violation of our freedoms.
We don't live alone and have a social contract with everyone in our society.
One of those basic agreements is on public health and safety.
Covid is a highly contagious disease and we now have a safe, effective vaccine.
Please consider being a responsible citizen and get the vax.
Thanks.
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Covid is a highly contagious disease and we now have a safe, effective vaccine.
Please consider being a responsible citizen and get the vax.
Thanks.
My friend who just lost her 30 year old daughter to the jab would disagree...
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My friend who just lost her 30 year old daughter to the jab would disagree...
I'm sorry for your friend's loss . Thanks for having the courage to share this here.
I know this is getbig, but I refuse to bust your balls and believe you're being honest .
No health measure is perfect and there is nothing I can say to bring back their daughter.
But, with all due respect, there are many more tragic deaths from covid then from complications of the vaccine.
Again, I really am sorry for your friends loss .
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My friend who just lost her 30 year old daughter to the jab would disagree...
that didnt happen
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that didnt happen
Maybe? But I'd rather be wrong on a getbig dispute then risk cracking on some guy's friend that lost his daughter.
I also don't think anyone would post someone died , just to make a point on getbig.
In either case, you'd have to be a total dick.
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The latest facts from real life data is :
1. You're 5x more likely to get Covid if you're UN-vaccinated
2. You're 29x more likely to be hospitalized for serious covid illness if you're UN-vaccinated.
This isn't a close call. Get a vax.
So lets see - vaccine being rushed out in less than a year compared to what is normally a multi year process? Check
Vaccine having no long term data showing that is's safe? Check
Pharmaceutical companies not held liable? Check
The vaccine itself not preventing people from getting covid, spreading covid and doesn't even guarantee that you won't get sick from covid?
and the best you have to say is to get vaxxed?
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My friend who just lost her 30 year old daughter to the jab would disagree...
Which vaccine?
This is a highly improbable event.
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So lets see - vaccine being rushed out in less than a year compared to what is normally a multi year process? Check
Vaccine having no long term data showing that is's safe? Check
Pharmaceutical companies not held liable? Check
The vaccine itself not preventing people from getting covid, spreading covid and doesn't even guarantee that you won't get sick from covid?
and the best you have to say is to get vaxxed?
I'm curious about something I really wonder about with "vax hesitant" people .
I understand, wanting to learn about a new vaccine is smart and reasonable.
BUT , no amount of answers to questions is ever enough.
For example, I heard plenty say ; " Its not been given a full approval and is just on EAU. "
Ok, we now have age 15 and above , given a full use approval and the same ones say , it's not enough...yet.
I'm no expert, but if the house is on fire, don't you need to put out the blaze before you worry about the furniture?
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I'm curious about something I really wonder about with "vax hesitant" people .
I understand, wanting to learn about a new vaccine is smart and reasonable.
BUT , no amount of answers to questions is ever enough.
For example, I heard plenty say ; " Its not been given a full approval and is just on EAU. "
Ok, we now have age 15 and above , given a full use approval and the same ones say , it's not enough...yet.
I'm no expert, but if the house is on fire, don't you need to put out the blaze before you worry about the furniture?
Most of the hospitalizations are still obese. And those who perish have an average of four co-morbities.
So, for some, the houses you think are on fire are just roasting marshmallows in the back yard.
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So lets see - vaccine being rushed out in less than a year compared to what is normally a multi year process? Check
Vaccine having no long term data showing that is's safe? Check
Pharmaceutical companies not held liable? Check
The vaccine itself not preventing people from getting covid, spreading covid and doesn't even guarantee that you won't get sick from covid?
and the best you have to say is to get vaxxed?
Let's say there were no COVID vaccines available today in the U.S. because we were still waiting a 'decade' for the FDA to approve it, (actually the usual approval process only takes a few years in the U.S. as opposed to 67 days in the EU); how many COVID cases would there be here, how many people would have gotten seriously ill and how many people would have died in the U.S. as compared to other countries who fast tracked it as an emergency vaccine in less than a year? Do you think there would be no difference in results between the U.S. and elsewhere?
If there was a noticeably favorable difference in the EU than here, what would people in the U.S. be saying about it? Would they still want to wait several years before making the vaccine available. Would there be a black market for COVID vaccines in the U.S.? It's unlikely people in the U.S. would be able to travel to other countries in order to get vaccinated for obvious reasons....who'd let us in?
Canada's borders closed to U.S. travelers in March 2020. Australia is closed to all travelers from outside the country. The CDC’s international travel recommendations are: Do not travel internationally until you are fully vaccinated.
The Trump administration quietly spent $10 billion from a Covid-19 fund for hospitals and used it to bankroll 'Operation Warp Speed Warp'. Trump frequently takes credit for making the COVID vaccine available as quickly as it was.
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Which vaccine?
This is a highly improbable event.
Why?
She got the jab, went home, got sick that night, rushed to ER, died next day in hospital?
Nothing improbable about it. It did happen to thousands of other people...
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Maybe? But I'd rather be wrong on a getbig dispute then risk cracking on some guy's friend that lost his daughter.
I also don't think anyone would post someone died , just to make a point on getbig.
In either case, you'd have to be a total dick.
cough, cough... ahem...
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Why?
She got the jab, went home, got sick that night, rushed to ER, died next day in hospital?
Nothing improbable about it. It did happen to thousands of other people...
You've left a lot of information out. Is this because you lack the knowledge or was this intentional? If so, why?
'She got the jab'....which one? There are three different vaccines in the U.S. and two which are not yet available here. Was it her first of second shot? A person is supposed to wait for 15 to 30 minutes before leaving the location where they were vaccinated, so they can be watched for a possible reaction. Anaphylaxis is immediate, usually within seconds after exposure to whatever caused it. What were her symptoms when she got sick at home? What was the doctor's diagnosis in the ER? Was she admitted to ICU or a regular bed? What did the hospital/coroner say she died from? What's on her death certificate?
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I'm curious about something I really wonder about with "vax hesitant" people .
I understand, wanting to learn about a new vaccine is smart and reasonable.
BUT , no amount of answers to questions is ever enough.
For example, I heard plenty say ; " Its not been given a full approval and is just on EAU. "
Ok, we now have age 15 and above , given a full use approval and the same ones say , it's not enough...yet.
I'm no expert, but if the house is on fire, don't you need to put out the blaze before you worry about the furniture?
This is the first wide scale implementation of any sort of mRNA vaccine to my knowledge.
Pushing younger individual who statistically have a very low chance of morality from covid to partake in this experiment seems a bit insane
It would make a bit more sense if by getting the vaccine they couldn't pass it on to those who are actually statistically at risk, but that isn't even the case
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The extended EUA is only for age 12-15 NOT anyone over age 15.
The very next line on the same FDA release states this.
This was a "cut and paste " scam to support misinformation!
Howard,
My link is direct from the FDA website. There is no cut and paste.
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Why?
She got the jab, went home, got sick that night, rushed to ER, died next day in hospital?
Nothing improbable about it. It did happen to thousands of other people...
post the obituary
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Howard,
My link is direct from the FDA website. There is no cut and paste.
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post the obituary
She passed away with a smile like Marvin Hagler. As his wife said, it couldn't have possibly been the vaccine while Thomas Hearn said, he was doing well until he took the shot. Who is full of it?
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WHO, CDC, and FDA are all suspect bodies. Why? They are not being open and scientific. They established what is 'true' and disregarded other evidence no matter how important or solid. The provisions of the emergency approval states that there are no existing treatments or drugs available to use on Covid 19. They are literally breaking their own rules and are gifting the pharmaceutical companies no liability re their vaccines. There are no long term trials so what we have are "vaccines" rushed through for the huge financial rewards. If you follow the relevant research online you will discover that expert scientists are having information removed or suppressed. There is little to no information available re treatment for the virus. Prophylactics are not being made available or even recommended. This really is an ugly situation and I wonder what is behind the coverups and suppressions. Couldn't be money, could it? Millions of people have died or been hospitalised because of the virus. At the moment the existing vaccines do not give immunity to new strains of the virus. From what I have seen on line from doctors those masks don't offer sufficient protection. The viruses can pass straight through them. Now we find the FDA issuing an approval for a drug that isn't available but the public won't know that. What compounds matters is that the media is in bed with the government and pharmaceutical companies. This really is a dark age for science and truth. There are other treatments available for combating this virus but the public is kept in the dark.
Look up Bret Weinstein.
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WHO, CDC, and FDA are all suspect bodies. Why? They are not being open and scientific. They established what is 'true' and disregarded other evidence no matter how important or solid. The provisions of the emergency approval states that there are no existing treatments or drugs available to use on Covid 19. They are literally breaking their own rules and are gifting the pharmaceutical companies no liability re their vaccines. There are no long term trials so what we have are "vaccines" rushed through for the huge financial rewards. If you follow the relevant research online you will discover that expert scientists are having information removed or suppressed. There is little to no information available re treatment for the virus. Prophylactics are not being made available or even recommended. This really is an ugly situation and I wonder what is behind the coverups and suppressions. Couldn't be money, could it? Millions of people have died or been hospitalised because of the virus. At the moment the existing vaccines do not give immunity to new strains of the virus. From what I have seen on line from doctors those masks don't offer sufficient protection. The viruses can pass straight through them. Now we find the FDA issuing an approval for a drug that isn't available but the public won't know that. What compounds matters is that the media is in bed with the government and pharmaceutical companies. This really is a dark age for science and truth. There are other treatments available for combating this virus but the public is kept in the dark.
Look up Bret Weinstein.
Masks equal reduction in viral load from a direct or indirect aerosol. Even a massive load can compromise a healthy immune system. The point is, these cluster phucks if they were tied into the pharmacies could easily do serum tests. This would identify those who need the fucboi shots and allow them to consult on a personal level with their trusted PCPs.
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Howard,
My link is direct from the FDA website. There is no cut and paste.
Ok, but you failed to provide the entire decision.
The continued EUA status is ONLY for ages 12-15.
The Pfizer vaccine has been given full approval for anyone over 15.
I repeat , the Pfizer vaccine has full FDA approval for everyone over age 15.
Go to FDA.gov and read the ENTIRE 1st pg press release if you think I'm lying.
Please stop spreading misleading info.
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Why?
She got the jab, went home, got sick that night, rushed to ER, died next day in hospital?
Nothing improbable about it. It did happen to thousands of other people...
Ok, death of a loved one is no joke and I am sorry for your friend's tragic loss.
However, it wasn't due to the covid vaccine.
I went and checked on this and there is no direct link to death from taking a covid vaccine.
Sadly, people died from plenty of OTHER reasons AFTER they got a shot.
When a loved one dies, it's natural to be angry and want to blame something.
BUT, there are no credible reports of death , directly caused from getting the covid vaccine.
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Most of the hospitalizations are still obese. And those who perish have an average of four co-morbities.
So, for some, the houses you think are on fire are just roasting marshmallows in the back yard.
Fair enough, but you may have missed my main point.
In my OPINION, "minimizing of the covid threat" is a form of denial .
Some anti-vaxers wrongly believe being defiant shows the virus " No fear".
In order to take a vaccine, one must accept the virus is a real , serious health risk.
By denying that reality, they feel safer and don't need to deal with the problem.
Maybe, this makes some people FEEL better, but it doesn't change reality.
Right now, we have a safe and effective vaccine that can eradicate covid IF most people get it.
Take the vaccine, it's our best shot. ;)
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WHO, CDC, and FDA are all suspect bodies. Why? They are not being open and scientific. They established what is 'true' and disregarded other evidence no matter how important or solid. The provisions of the emergency approval states that there are no existing treatments or drugs available to use on Covid 19. They are literally breaking their own rules and are gifting the pharmaceutical companies no liability re their vaccines. There are no long term trials so what we have are "vaccines" rushed through for the huge financial rewards. If you follow the relevant research online you will discover that expert scientists are having information removed or suppressed. There is little to no information available re treatment for the virus. Prophylactics are not being made available or even recommended. This really is an ugly situation and I wonder what is behind the coverups and suppressions. Couldn't be money, could it? Millions of people have died or been hospitalised because of the virus. At the moment the existing vaccines do not give immunity to new strains of the virus. From what I have seen on line from doctors those masks don't offer sufficient protection. The viruses can pass straight through them. Now we find the FDA issuing an approval for a drug that isn't available but the public won't know that. What compounds matters is that the media is in bed with the government and pharmaceutical companies. This really is a dark age for science and truth. There are other treatments available for combating this virus but the public is kept in the dark.
Look up Bret Weinstein.
Ok, fair enough as every organization is run by humans and no human is 100% perfect.
BUT, like getting the vaccine, it's the best we can do.
What's your sources? Are they some obscure , unverified and misleading information?
More importantly, what methods and meds do you advise to eradicate covid ?
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Let it go, Howard. Be happy with the choice you made. Others will make their own. Can you find a way to be ok with that?
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Fair enough, but you may have missed my main point.
Right now, we have a safe and effective vaccine that can eradicate covid IF most people get it.
Take the vaccine, it's our best shot. ;)
The main point is you need to stop repeating this mantra about eradication because even Fauci doesn't agree:
https://www.wpr.org/fauci-says-covid-19-might-not-be-eliminated-it-can-be-controlled
"When you look at an infectious disease, you ultimately either eradicate it, you eliminate it or you control it. And there's various levels of control," he said. "We've only eradicated one infectious disease in literally history, and that is smallpox by a very effective vaccination campaign."
Fauci stressed that he doesn't know what the case will be with COVID-19.
"I would hope that we can eliminate it from our society," he said. "But that may not be in the cards, at least for the foreseeable future. We may hopefully be able to control it enough so that it doesn't disrupt society the way it is doing right now."
Our best shot would be to get off our asses, eat well, exercise, increase our overall metabolic health, and have healthier immune systems.
Those who are compromised, or feel their risk profile is higher, can get the mRNA therapy or the JJ vax.
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Let it go, Howard. Be happy with the choice you made. Others will make their own. Can you find a way to be ok with that?
I sincerely wish we all could make our own choices and accept our fates.
However, Covid is an transmitted thru the air and many people can feel fine and still spread the virus.
In terms of PUBLIC health, like it or not, we're all in this together.
I'll end with this goofy example to try and make my point ( with a chuckle :D)
You may feel it's your right to fart in a crowded elevator, but everyone still has to smell it.
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More importantly, what methods and meds do you advise to eradicate covid ?
Howard,
Have we eradicated the common cold? You know, the same cold caused by viruses in the Coronavirus family..
Let me know, as most "Medical Experts" I've researched on this topic from the New England Journal of Medicine and as far as to the Lancet all state that none of them think we can either eliminate nor eradicate this coronavirus just as we've failed to eradicate the common cold. What their hopes are is that we could some day be able to transition from the current pandemic to a steady, but much lower, endemic rate of infection.
I get your stance and optimism behind solving the puzzle that is this pandemic, but realize that getting the vaccine isn't the silver bullet you are hoping for. It might help (I can fairly state that), but it won't solve the problem. As you've now realized, they have approved booster shots for those that received their second does over 8 months ago. Now, what are the odds that they will require yearly or biannual boosters? Likely pretty high. Doesn't sound like a solution to me, but I respect your stance if you want to get shots every 6-12 months to protect you from something that you have a 99% chance of beating on your own.
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Howard,
Have we eradicated the common cold? You know, the same cold caused by viruses in the Coronavirus family..
Let me know, as most "Medical Experts" I've researched on this topic from the New England Journal of Medicine and as far as to the Lancet all state that none of them think we can either eliminate nor eradicate this coronavirus just as we've failed to eradicate the common cold. What their hopes are is that we could some day be able to transition from the current pandemic to a steady, but much lower, endemic rate of infection.
I get your stance and optimism behind solving the puzzle that is this pandemic, but realize that getting the vaccine isn't the silver bullet you are hoping for. It might help (I can fairly state that), but it won't solve the problem. As you've now realized, they have approved booster shots for those that received their second does over 8 months ago. Now, what are the odds that they will require yearly or biannual boosters? Likely pretty high. Doesn't sound like a solution to me, but I respect your stance if you want to get shots every 6-12 months to protect you from something that you have a 99% chance of beating on your own.
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I know the vaccine isn't perfect but it's pretty damn good at dealing with covid.
Yup, like most vaccines we may eventually need an extra shot aka " booster".
Covid is a much more serious threat to the public health, then the common cold or seasonal flu.
Ok, so your idea is to basically accept/ignore the virus as it's " No big deal? "
In my judgement, you're trying to minimize the actual threat .
You made a reasonable post, but, your ideas are no solution.
With that attitude we'd still have Polio outbreaks crippling countless victims .
I'll go with the vaccines and trying to eradicate this terrible virus from the public health scene.
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I know the vaccine isn't perfect but it's pretty damn good at dealing with covid.
Yup, like most vaccines we may eventually need an extra shot aka " booster".
Covid is a much more serious threat to the public health, then the common cold or seasonal flu.
Ok, so your idea is too basically accept/ignore the virus as it's " No big deal? "
In my judgement, you're trying to minimize the actual threat .
You made a reasonable post, but, your ideas are no solution.
With that attitude we'd still have Polio outbreaks crippling countless victims .
I'll go with the vaccines and trying to eradicate this terrible virus from the public health scene.
Really?
Cases are rising in the UK more now than pre vaccine and its not even flu season
Amazingly a vaccine that is supposed to suppress a coronavirus is creating cases in a time when they prevouisly didnt exist.
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Really?
Cases are rising in the UK more now than pre vaccine and its not even flu season
Amazingly a vaccine that is supposed to suppress a coronavirus is creating cases in a time when they prevouisly didnt exist.
Unless everything goes perfectly, it's never good enough for some people.
In my OPINION< they're MORE concerned with winning internet debates then real world solutions to a pandemic.
The vaccine isn't perfect but it's our best shot.
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Really?
Cases are rising in the UK more now than pre vaccine and its not even flu season
Amazingly a vaccine that is supposed to suppress a coronavirus is creating cases in a time when they prevouisly didnt exist.
Half-ass cooked up wackcines are causing abnormal mutations but cognitive dissonance and denial is stopping people from seeing this trend. It's going to take kids and honey badgers to get us out of this mess if the pharmacies don't jack up their immune systems.
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Really?
Cases are rising in the UK more now than pre vaccine and its not even flu season
Amazingly a vaccine that is supposed to suppress a coronavirus is creating cases in a time when they prevouisly didnt exist.
I've been thinking about this too. If we are to believe the media, things are much worse now than in 2020 when there was no vaccine. Iceland and Israel, the two countries with the highest percentages of vaccinated people, are seeing record number infections now. And it's summer time, when people are spending more time outdoors and not gathering inside in groups. WTF?
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A study released Tuesday showed vaccine effectiveness decreased among health care workers who were fully vaccinated since the time that the delta variant became widespread, which could be due to waning effectiveness of the vaccine over time, the higher transmissibility of the delta variant or other factors, experts said.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/keep-guard-cdc-studies-show-004421531.html
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Really?
Cases are rising in the UK more now than pre vaccine and its not even flu season
Amazingly a vaccine that is supposed to suppress a coronavirus is creating cases in a time when they prevouisly didnt exist.
I believe this is more a failure of the tests. It was the same thing back in the 80s with AIDS. Tests were popping anybody who has a compromised immune system for any reason. They’re also testing more people than ever.
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I believe this is more a failure of the tests. It was the same thing back in the 80s with AIDS. Tests were popping anybody who has a compromised immune system for any reason. They’re also testing more people than ever.
We know this in healthcare and the sciences. That's why they are trying to push another dosage of the zoo bumfuck pzifer compound on people. The real elephant in the room is the man and others with similar serum profiles. Why hasn't his efficacy changed in almost 1 year after an infection? During a natural infection vs. an artificial fucboi infection the immune systems is actually fighting varying generations of viroids. Delta is good for TV and the provaxxers You are delusional if you think each generation of viroids after reverse transcription is the same as the pervious generation. His immune system is primed for lambda, mu or whatever is next b/c it is already learned how to combat VARING generations of viriods, not the same protein affixed on every cell in a concoctions
Why aren't we collecting serum on his guy and the millions who only experienced 3-10 quarantine with minimal flu symptoms?
45 was right about one thing. Give the elderly and frail a shot and let the strong and children experience covid naturally like the flu. We'd be pretty much of this nonsense. Instead, we are stuck in income statement and financial sheet wars with the pharmacies and their long term cancer causing agents.
Waiting to see who is fucking stupid enough to approve JandJ new cancer compound. And they'd probably get out of paying out billions like they had to for their booty rash powder.
Where you at Howard White?
"One" is the GOAT of GetBig.
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I believe this is more a failure of the tests. It was the same thing back in the 80s with AIDS. Tests were popping anybody who has a compromised immune system for any reason. They’re also testing more people than ever.
I don't know you and can't read minds.
But, it's my OPINION that the vaccine naysayers care more about winning a social media feud , then getting practical solutions.
No matter how many answers are given, it never ends .
Get the vaccine, it's your best shot.
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I don't know you and can't read minds.
But, it's my OPINION that the vaccine naysayers care more about winning a social media feud , then getting practical solutions.
No matter how many answers are given, it never ends .
Get the vaccine, it's your best shot.
Other than Jerking yourself off, what does this accomplish? Every major institution is pimping and coercing the vaccines on the public (wealth transfer to the medical establishment). They’re doing just fine without you.
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Other than Jerking yourself off, what does this accomplish?
Damn , I didn't know you had a web cam on me going "full speed Toobin" while posting! ;D
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Half-ass cooked up wackcines are causing abnormal mutations but cognitive dissonance and denial is stopping people from seeing this trend. It's going to take kids and honey badgers to get us out of this mess if the pharmacies don't jack up their immune systems.
I've tried to promote what I believe is the right way to deal with this pandemic.
Those on your side are not going to be moved and change their view pts.
No Hard feelings on my end.
We'll see where it all goes from here and I sincerely wish you well.
FYI< looks like a lovely lady on your arm in that avatar.
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I know the vaccine isn't perfect but it's pretty damn good at dealing with covid.
Yup, like most vaccines we may eventually need an extra shot aka " booster".
Howard, the notion that the vaccine is "pretty damn good" at dealing with COVID is your opinion. For instance (and no lie here), I have at least 3 friends that have recently come down with COVID and were all vaccinated (2 doses). They luckily got better, but went through the worse flu of their lives (no hospitalizations required, but they also didn't have any major comorbidities). In a strange sense of irony, most of my unvaccinated friends with the exception of 1 (to be fair) have not gotten COVID. So, just as you have an opinion, my opinion is that the vaccine isn't "pretty damn good". I think it can help, but to call it a solution is farfetched and a clear reach on your end. If it truly eliminated COVID (like for instance the Hepatitis C drug that cures you of Hep C - Harvoni), then I would say it's a solution. Solution provides finalization, this is just some type of help. Also Howard, most vaccines don't require a booster and you know this. I don't need to research that for you, so lets not bestow that on this novel vaccine.
Covid is a much more serious threat to the public health, then the common cold or seasonal flu.
Come again Howard? The Flu has killed over 293,000 Americans over the last 10 years as per the CDC (these are the low end numbers based on their true and estimated stats found here: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html). We can downplay the common cold, but what you can't downplay is that the common cold is also a coronavirus that has never been cured or eradicated. How will we eradicate a super coronavirus?
Ok, so your idea is to basically accept/ignore the virus as it's " No big deal?"
Howard, when did I state that the virus is "no big deal"? I've said it before. I believe COVID is real. Here's another fact Howard, I had COVID and I did just fine (no hospitalization). I might have been lucky. I did have the worst flu-like symptoms of my life, but recovered at home with hydration, Aspirin, Vitamin C, D, Zinc and Magnesium. No antivirals or vaccinations. And guess what Howard, I've had my antibodies checked after having COVID over 9 months ago in 2020 and I still have antibodies for it. Why would I get a vaccine when I have naturally acquired antibodies for it that are more effective and produced by me?
In my judgement, you're trying to minimize the actual threat.
Not at all. COVID is serious, but I am also trying to give humanity a chance to fight this off by way of natural immunity.
Answer this, do you think that unless Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson wouldn't have produced a vaccine, that humanity would become eradicated?
Or do you believe that our bodies would assimilate, learn, and gain natural immunity to the virus?
Remember 1918 Howard, the world had a little pandemic called the Spanish flu. There were no vaccines for the Spanish flu back then, nor are there any vaccines for it now. You know how many people worldwide were killed by the Spanish Flu? By the CDC's estimates 50 million worldwide. Now why didn't the Spanish Flu just finish off humanity? It had already eradicated a 3rd of humanity. Our immune systems got better at fighting it off. With that same token Howard, why not give humanity a chance to fight COVID off?
You made a reasonable post, but, your ideas are no solution.
With that attitude we'd still have Polio outbreaks crippling countless victims . I'll go with the vaccines and trying to eradicate this terrible virus from the public health scene.
The problem here Howard is that we do not have a "true" solution. The vaccine can help, but it doesn't solve the problem. If it cured you from COVID, that's a solution. We don't have that yet.
If I had an idea that could lend itself as a solution, I'd be rich and posting from a yacht somewhere. I wish I did Howard, but I am not that smart. Also, keep in mind that I do believe you are coming from a good place Howard. I believe that you do want what's best for humanity. You have taken the side of pushing for everyone to get vaccinated and I don't think any less of you. With that same token, you have to be open to the idea that not getting vaccinated doesn't mean you're making matters worse. If it did, what do you make of people with natural immunity to COVID after having had the virus?
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Lol eat shit with that full approval. I approve them to stick their heads up their asses.
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The Pfizer vaccine just got FULL use approval by the FDA.
That means it's safe and effective in treating covid-19.
THIS is from the world of real medical science based on rigorous trials NOT social media hype.
I'm sorry, but your beliefs against this are based on delusional nonsense that only exists in minds like yours.
What do you think this approval really means? What other vaccines in US History have been approved by the FDA in this amount of time?
Also, with the absence of long-term data, what does the FDA approval truly mean for long-term health?
8 months ago we were told get the jab and return to normal. Then, 8 months later we're told to get a booster as the efficacy is waning. See my point here? There have been changes in the data in 8 months time. What would another eight months show us as far as risk side effects etc?
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What do you think this approval really means? What other vaccines in US History have been approved by the FDA in this amount of time?
Also, with the absence of long-term data, what does the FDA approval truly mean for long-term health?
8 months ago we were told get the jab and return to normal. Then, 8 months later we're told to get a booster as the efficacy is waning. See my point here? There have been changes in the data in 8 months time. What would another eight months show us as far as risk side effects etc?
What other vaccine in history of the planet has had this kind of unified global response? let's take away vaccines what other endeavor in the history of human kind has had these kind of resources put behind it?
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What other vaccine in history of the planet has had this kind of unified global response? let's take away vaccines what other endeavor in the history of human kind has had these kind of resources put behind it?
What you stated doesn't replace LONG TERM DATA.
What does the approval of a drug or treatment really mean when there is only 8 months of ata on said drug/treatment,
I do think the vaccine has value for high risk groups, but how does an FDA approval mean anything in this case?
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they just extended the emergency use not given it full approval
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they just extended the emergency use not given it full approval
AGAIN- This EUA extension was only for the 12-15 yr age range. Everyone over 15 has full use approval.
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I sincerely wish we all could make our own choices and accept our fates.
However, Covid is an transmitted thru the air and many people can feel fine and still spread the virus.
In terms of PUBLIC health, like it or not, we're all in this together.
I'll end with this goofy example to try and make my point ( with a chuckle :D)
You may feel it's your right to fart in a crowded elevator, but everyone still has to smell it.
We've had this discussion before and you used the same inapplicable metaphor. Delta makes everyone flatulent. Future variants even more so.
Not everyone is going to do what you think they should do. You need to accept that and move on. What are you doing repeating yourself? How bored are you these days? Lol.
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A very convenient excuse all the so-called experts use for getting everything wrong is that the data changed. One of Fauci’s original criticisms of masks is that people are always fidgeting with them. How exactly has that data changed?
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Howard is educated but goodness me he is not that informed about what is going on.
I live in Sydney. The state and federal governments here are following WHO and CDC guidelines and are upping the vaccinations and imposing lockdowns on most of the country. We haven't been allowed to travel freely in Australia. If you live in Sydney you can't travel out of state or inside the state. We now have a curfew from 9 pm to 5 am. The police and army are helping the government with lockdowns and are fining those 'who do the wrong thing'. It is a police state. In late June we were told there would be a 2 week lockdown in Greater Sydney. It has been extended to 9 weeks now with no light at the end of the tunnel. You have to wear masks shopping or even going outside. Have these restrictions and vaccinations been effective? The infection rate from the Delta variant in NSW has been going up and is now over 1000 new infections each day. I mean, wtf is going on? Whoever is advising the government is completely ignorant because they are not trying interventions that might help reduce infections. One to three people are dying every day in our state. Most are over 80. Some have had the vaccines. They wanted to vaccinate all year 12 students before they sat for their final exams. Sadly 3 students died but that was covered up. Those in charge are actually killing young people with their stupid vaccines. People who are vaccinated can still get infected and even spread the disease. Again, wtf is this? Here we are under house arrest and no hope for restrictions to be lifted for months. It has been a mild 'winter' here is Sydney but things warm up in September.
Howard and those who are promoting vaccinations don't know what they are talking about. People would be better off taking Ivermectin or other prophylactics that have been proven to work. Unfortunately the governments are not helping citizens avoid the disease except via vaccinations. This is clearly lunacy. When scientists and doctors cannot freely exchange and debate data then we will get more of the same. I consider Google, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and most of the media evil entities because they are censoring information and promoting those dangerous so called 'vaccines'. I haven't seen any proof that wearing masks are effective in preventing infection. Look at Sydney and Melbourne....both cities reporting more infections almost daily.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/australia-breaking-news-live-coronavirus-updates-headlines-august-26-2021-sydney-numbers-victoria-pfizer-vaccine/0e994063-78c5-43ab-a72c-df49ac899ead#post=4267cdf4-3515-413f-82a1-127c884ff7e9
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Howard is educated but goodness me he is not that informed about what is going on.
I live in Sydney. The state and federal governments here are following WHO and CDC guidelines and are upping the vaccinations and imposing lockdowns on most of the country. We haven't been allowed to travel freely in Australia. If you live in Sydney you can't travel out of state or inside the state. We now have a curfew from 9 pm to 5 am. The police and army are helping the government with lockdowns and are fining those 'who do the wrong thing'. It is a police state. In late June we were told there would be a 2 week lockdown in Greater Sydney. It has been extended to 9 weeks now with no light at the end of the tunnel. You have to wear masks shopping or even going outside. Have these restrictions and vaccinations been effective? The infection rate from the Delta variant in NSW has been going up and is now over 1000 new infections each day. I mean, wtf is going on? Whoever is advising the government is completely ignorant because they are not trying interventions that might help reduce infections. One to three people are dying every day in our state. Most are over 80. Some have had the vaccines. They wanted to vaccinate all year 12 students before they sat for their final exams. Sadly 3 students died but that was covered up. Those in charge are actually killing young people with their stupid vaccines. People who are vaccinated can still get infected and even spread the disease. Again, wtf is this? Here we are under house arrest and no hope for restrictions to be lifted for months. It has been a mild 'winter' here is Sydney but things warm up in September.
Howard and those who are promoting vaccinations don't know what they are talking about. People would be better off taking Ivermectin or other prophylactics that have been proven to work. Unfortunately the governments are not helping citizens avoid the disease except via vaccinations. This is clearly lunacy. When scientists and doctors cannot freely exchange and debate data then we will get more of the same. I consider Google, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and most of the media evil entities because they are censoring information and promoting those dangerous so called 'vaccines'. I haven't seen any proof that wearing masks are effective in preventing infection. Look at Sydney and Melbourne....both cities reporting more infections almost daily.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/australia-breaking-news-live-coronavirus-updates-headlines-august-26-2021-sydney-numbers-victoria-pfizer-vaccine/0e994063-78c5-43ab-a72c-df49ac899ead#post=4267cdf4-3515-413f-82a1-127c884ff7e9
Well said.
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wtf is this?
the end.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again – seek God, gentlemen... time is short.
things will only wax worse.
any light thats left in the world, will be extinguished... reality will become misery across the board.... misery that intensifies with time.
morality and wisdom will be replaced with truly evil black hearts... sinister desires... which will play out in the most horrific, terrifying ways.
there will be no freedom, safety or choice for most... only survival; no peace, no rest... life will consist of constant fear, anguish, and death.
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the end.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again – seek God, gentlemen... time is short.
things will only wax worse.
What kind of dystopian, Orwellian'esque society do you see us arriving to? Give us more details, I am curious.
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Howard is educated but goodness me he is not that informed about what is going on.
I live in Sydney. The state and federal governments here are following WHO and CDC guidelines and are upping the vaccinations and imposing lockdowns on most of the country. We haven't been allowed to travel freely in Australia. If you live in Sydney you can't travel out of state or inside the state. We now have a curfew from 9 pm to 5 am. The police and army are helping the government with lockdowns and are fining those 'who do the wrong thing'. It is a police state. In late June we were told there would be a 2 week lockdown in Greater Sydney. It has been extended to 9 weeks now with no light at the end of the tunnel. You have to wear masks shopping or even going outside. Have these restrictions and vaccinations been effective? The infection rate from the Delta variant in NSW has been going up and is now over 1000 new infections each day. I mean, wtf is going on? Whoever is advising the government is completely ignorant because they are not trying interventions that might help reduce infections. One to three people are dying every day in our state. Most are over 80. Some have had the vaccines. They wanted to vaccinate all year 12 students before they sat for their final exams. Sadly 3 students died but that was covered up. Those in charge are actually killing young people with their stupid vaccines. People who are vaccinated can still get infected and even spread the disease. Again, wtf is this? Here we are under house arrest and no hope for restrictions to be lifted for months. It has been a mild 'winter' here is Sydney but things warm up in September.
Howard and those who are promoting vaccinations don't know what they are talking about. People would be better off taking Ivermectin or other prophylactics that have been proven to work. Unfortunately the governments are not helping citizens avoid the disease except via vaccinations. This is clearly lunacy. When scientists and doctors cannot freely exchange and debate data then we will get more of the same. I consider Google, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and most of the media evil entities because they are censoring information and promoting those dangerous so called 'vaccines'. I haven't seen any proof that wearing masks are effective in preventing infection. Look at Sydney and Melbourne....both cities reporting more infections almost daily.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/australia-breaking-news-live-coronavirus-updates-headlines-august-26-2021-sydney-numbers-victoria-pfizer-vaccine/0e994063-78c5-43ab-a72c-df49ac899ead#post=4267cdf4-3515-413f-82a1-127c884ff7e9
Can you elaborate further on the vaccination deaths of these kids? Any links ?
From Jan-May we had over 200 vaccine related deaths and 22000+ injuries. Australia definately has become a police state.
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Can you elaborate further on the vaccination deaths of these kids? Any links ?
From Jan-May we had over 200 vaccine related deaths and 22000+ injuries. Australia definately has become a police state.
The families are being suppressed. I saw a mother’s post on FB as well about her 16 year old daughter who has myocarditis and she’s devastated and warning others.
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Suck off any new, young blokes lately sausage tits?
Vinces post is very informative and truthful. I live in Australia so can confirm this is all happening here. It’s martial law here.
You add nothing of value with your post. You just reveal yourself to be uneducated and vulgar..
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wait till there's australian style lockdown in the US this winter..
good luck in the coming hunger games
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wait till there's australian style lockdown in the US this winter..
good luck in the coming hunger games
Will never happen. Ever.
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Pentagon: US troops must get their COVID-19 vaccines ASAP
800,000 healthy soldiers with healthy immune systems and no recorded outbreaks among them b/c they are all probably asymptomatic or had minor 3 day flu symptom bc they are PERFECTLY HEALTHY but they need to get a shot of liquid compound low efficacy infective long term, possibly cancer causing depending on replication on the wrong mutated cell bullshit. What's the catch here?
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Pentagon: US troops must get their COVID-19 vaccines ASAP
800,000 healthy soldiers with healthy immune systems and no recorded outbreaks among them b/c they are all probably asymptomatic or had minor 3 day flu symptom bc they are PERFECTLY HEALTHY but they need to get a shot of liquid compound low efficacy infective long term, possibly cancer causing depending on replication on the wrong mutated cell bullshit. What's the catch here?
Definitely leaving the country very vulnerable. Hitler is rolling in his grave wondering why he didn’t create a bio weapon/ vaccine. Imagine when they start dropping from heart attacks and strokes if the short term adverse reactions don’t take them out first.
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Yeah the single shot was the game changer. None oft these people have GBS or clotting issues prior to the shot, but they can't find a relationship? No family history! No prior symptoms or Dx! No nothing but they can't find a relationship! FOH! You couldn't find a relationship with that booty powder and cancer either!
The complication is known as Guillain-Barre Syndrome.
While the FDA said it had not established the vaccine could cause the syndrome, it noted an increase in reports of the sometimes paralyzing condition.
“Today, the FDA is announcing revisions to the vaccine recipient and vaccination provider fact sheets for the Johnson & Johnson (Janssen) Covid-19 Vaccine,” said FDA in a statement.
“The revisions were announced to include information pertaining to an observed increased risk of Guillain-Barre Syndrome following vaccination.”
Reports of adverse events following the Janssen Covid-19 vaccine use under emergency use authorization suggest an increased risk of Guillain-Barre Syndrome during the 42 days following vaccination, the updated label read.
“Although the available evidence suggests an association between the Janssen vaccine and increased risk of Guillain-Barre Syndrome, it is insufficient to establish a causal relationship.”
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Data breach exposes Cal State Chico students who requested religious exemptions from COVID vaccine
Breach my Ass! The attack on Religion begins. Man is a virus and should be removed from the earth.
Again, perfectly healthy young people who might have 3 day symptoms and a standard 10 day quarantine to play video games while their super natural immune systems put in that work are being shamed. FOH!
Personal information from students at a California college who requested a religious exemption from the COVID-19 vaccine has been posted online after an apparent data breach.
The records from about 130 students at California State University, Chico were dumped on an anonymous internet message board, the Sacramento Bee reported Monday.
A commenter on the site linked to a spreadsheet with detailed explanations from students who had asked to be exempted from receiving the vaccine in order to attend the college. Student names and phone numbers were included in many of the entries.
The original post provided tips on how to file a religious exemption to a COVID-19 vaccine mandate, according to the Bee. “State purely religious reasons only,” the anonymous tip read. “Do not mention anything else.”
The CSU system requires its 56,000 faculty and staff and nearly 500,000 students on campus to be vaccinated against the coronavirus. The policy allows for medical and religious exemptions.
The spreadsheet shows that roughly half of the requests in the leaked document were approved. Many of the denied requests were resubmitted for another chance at approval.
“We are aware of the documents posted online and circulated among the media. We are investigating this incident, while also taking a number of proactive steps to protect students’ confidential information,” Andrew Staples, CSU Chico’s public relations manager, said in a statement.
Most of the exemption requests were filed by students citing their Christian beliefs — some of them quoting Biblical scripture. Another student who was approved called the vaccine “unclean” and analogous to what non-kosher food is to Orthodox Jews.
Students who asked for a religious exemption included several NCAA athletes, incoming students, and residents of university dorms, the newspaper said. Students who stated they believed in healing through prayer were approved for exemption, and many referred to their bodies as a temple.
“My religious beliefs follow natural healing through God’s divine power and faith healing,” read one NCAA athlete’s exemption request that was approved. “My beliefs question the necessity of modern medicine including vaccinations.”
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Dr. Mengele would be pleased.
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They called Jennifer Beals Devil in a Blue Dress.
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I'd prefer to go with Blue Suits.
Hot box is waiting for these two bishes.
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Howard is educated but goodness me he is not that informed about what is going on.
Howard and those who are promoting vaccinations don't know what they are talking about. People would be better off taking *Ivermectin* or other prophylactics that have been proven to work. Unfortunately the governments are not helping citizens avoid the disease except via vaccinations. This is clearly lunacy. When scientists and doctors cannot freely exchange and debate data then we will get more of the same.
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*Ivermectin is a dewormer used in horses and cows . It is NOT an anti-viral for human use.
Covid19 is a virus in humans, it can be eradicated via vaccine, which we have now.
*Ivermectin is used to kill a parasite in livestock.
Poison control centers are getting calls about this misinformation and some end up very ill from using it.
Using Ivermectin for Covid is like treating cancer with leeches and blood letting ::)
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All a lie. All of it.
The virus is shit.
Laughable.
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All a lie. All of it.
The virus is shit.
Laughable.
Fact
Ivermectin is a dewormer for livestock /farm animals.
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*Ivermectin is a dewormer used in horses and cows . It is NOT an anti-viral for human use.
Covid19 is a virus in humans, it can be eradicated via vaccine, which we have now.
*Ivermectin is used to kill a parasite in livestock.
Poison control centers are getting calls about this misinformation and some end up very ill from using it.
Using Ivermectin for Covid is like treating cancer with leeches and blood letting ::)
WRONG WRONG WRONG. Stop watching the fucking MSM Howard. Ivermectin is approved for human use. It's on the WHO's list of essential medicines. It's used to treat many parasitic infections in humans. Morons go to feed stores to buy the animal version of the medicine and get sick. The media then uses that to bash a drug that has a ton of promise. That has nothing to do with ivermectin ability to slow down viral replication in Covid-19. Do some research.
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*Ivermectin is a dewormer used in horses and cows . It is NOT an anti-viral for human use.
Covid19 is a virus in humans, it can be eradicated via vaccine, which we have now.
*Ivermectin is used to kill a parasite in livestock.
Batvid mutates to Humvid in Fluhan
Pfizer Vet-con creates ineffective Pfizerpound for Hominoid Genome
Beastmasters give Pfizerpound to Exotics
Exotic produces a Komotovid
Komotovid cross mutates to Humvid
Komotovid> Batvid
No animals were harmed in this experiment, PETA.
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Maybe I get to see more Persia White.
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WRONG WRONG WRONG. Stop watching the fucking MSM Howard. Ivermectin is approved for human use. It's on the WHO's list of essential medicines. It's used to treat many parasitic infections in humans. Morons go to feed stores to buy the animal version of the medicine and get sick. The media then uses that to bash a drug that has a ton of promise. That has nothing to do with ivermectin ability to slow down viral replication in Covid-19. Do some research.
Covid is a virus , NOT a parasite. Ivermectin can't treat a VIRUS in animals or humans.
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All a lie. All of it.
The virus is shit.
Laughable.
This is from an email I got from CVS. They’re not even claiming that it stops infection or spread. Now, they’re even lowering the length of time that it affords you this protection from serious illness from eight months to six months:
After detailed review of clinical trials, the FDA advises that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is safe and effective in preventing serious illness caused by COVID-19, and is fully approved for ages 16 and older
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*Ivermectin is a dewormer used in horses and cows . It is NOT an anti-viral for human use.
Covid19 is a virus in humans, it can be eradicated via vaccine, which we have now.
*Ivermectin is used to kill a parasite in livestock.
Poison control centers are getting calls about this misinformation and some end up very ill from using it.
Using Ivermectin for Covid is like treating cancer with leeches and blood letting ::)
You do realise that almost every Google search for Ivermectin only has links to how it doesnt work?
You think thats a coincidence?
And it isnt just a veterinary drug, its passed fit for human use.
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'Vax-chasers' are men getting serially needle-raped in order to lower their immunity, all for their sick thrill of testing "Covid Positive While Fully Vaxxed"(CPWFV).
"‘Bombshell’ study finds natural immunity superior to vaccination"
"If the findings are confirmed, the implications for Covid policy will be profound"
article:
https://unherd.com/thepost/bombshell-study-finds-natural-immunity-superior-to-vaccination/ (https://unherd.com/thepost/bombshell-study-finds-natural-immunity-superior-to-vaccination/)
The study:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
(https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1)
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https://usawatchdog.com/fda-lied-vax-not-approved-still-experimental/
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You do realise that almost every Google search for Ivermectin only has links to how it doesnt work?
You think thats a coincidence?
And it isnt just a veterinary drug, its passed fit for human use.
The basis for Trump’s lawsuit against big tech is that while they are private companies, they were acting as arms of government. Some evidence they’re using is the emails between Fauci and Zuckerberg.
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https://usawatchdog.com/fda-lied-vax-not-approved-still-experimental/
Extending the EUA only applies to age 12-15 .
Pfizer vaccine use was given full FDA approval for everyone 16 and above.
* Thin Lizzy just checked , verified this with a recent post.
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This is from an email I got from CVS. They’re not even claiming that it stops infection or spread. Now, they’re even lowering the length of time that it affords you this protection from serious illness from eight months to six months:
After detailed review of clinical trials, the FDA advises that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is safe and effective in preventing serious illness caused by COVID-19, and is fully approved for ages 16 and older
Good post. Thanks Thin Lizzy ! *at the risk of boring the forum, here is a more detailed post on this issue.
1. The recent need for a "booster" after 6-8 months is factual. The new hope is that this "booster" will have a more lasting effect.
The vaccine reduces infecting others, but doesn't eliminate it. The biggest benefit for getting the vaccine is it
greatly reduces your risk of serious illness, requiring intense treatment in a hospital.
2. Thanks for putting out the correct, final FDA conclusion on full approval for the Pfizer vaccine.
In all modesty, I've read my share of research abstracts . It's easy to mistake something for the
finals conclusion.
Young teens ( age 12-15) could NOT be given FULL use approval , and will be kept at the EUA status.
There was sufficient data to grant FULL use approval for everyone 16 and above.
3. The vaccine is now been proven safer then aspirin for everyone over age 16. It's effectiveness in dealing with covid illness
seems to degrade over a time of 6-8 months in many people. This degrading efficacy is a legitimate concern and
could become a more serious issue IF the booster shots don't work any better.
Another legitimate concern related to the Delta strain is the ability of a virus to evolve and change "strains" ( forms).
The mRNA of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines has maintained successful attacks on the protein spike on the Covid virus.
This is good news, but I'm less optimistic on the "staying power" of needed antibodies in this molecular interaction due to
need for a "booster" after 6-8 months.
4. Right now, in my personal OPINION* , our best way out is for everyone to get a vaccine. If that doesn't work as expected, at least
it's safe and we can go from there .
* My main area is PHYSICS not virology, so I'm being honest and transparent here. I never claimed to have all the answers on Covid or
vaccines. Like most people, I do the best I can to gain RELIABLE, credible information on this.
Please remember there are a lot of dubious unverified sites out there that have misleading info.
Check and cross reference and read the actual written material and consider the credentials of the source posting it.
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Extending the EUA only applies to age 12-15 .
Pfizer vaccine use was given full FDA approval for everyone 16 and above.
WRONG! Comirnaty was approved. It's only available in Europe and Australia , NOT in the US. "It appears all the FDA did was extend the EUA for the crap they were already injecting and Pfizer gets to keep full immunity for liability under the EUA." In a letter to Pfizer on Monday, the FDA said, “. . . the EUA will remain in place for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for the previously-authorized indication and uses. . .”
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WRONG! Comirnaty was approved. It's only available in Europe and Australia , NOT in the US. "It appears all the FDA did was extend the EUA for the crap they were already injecting and Pfizer gets to keep full immunity for liability under the EUA." In a letter to Pfizer on Monday, the FDA said, “. . . the EUA will remain in place for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for the previously-authorized indication and uses. . .”
The EUA only applies to age 12-15 .
Go to FDA.gov and read the 1st page of the posted conclusions abstract.
Right under your quote it clearly states,
"this extension of EAU only applies to age 12-15.
The Pfizer vaccine is given FULL approval for all over 15. "
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Suck off any new, young blokes lately sausage tits?
What about you Mr.Paki , have you bonk any goats lately !.
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Howard is educated but goodness me he is not that informed about what is going on.
I live in Sydney. The state and federal governments here are following WHO and CDC guidelines and are upping the vaccinations and imposing lockdowns on most of the country. We haven't been allowed to travel freely in Australia. If you live in Sydney you can't travel out of state or inside the state. We now have a curfew from 9 pm to 5 am. The police and army are helping the government with lockdowns and are fining those 'who do the wrong thing'. It is a police state. In late June we were told there would be a 2 week lockdown in Greater Sydney. It has been extended to 9 weeks now with no light at the end of the tunnel. You have to wear masks shopping or even going outside. Have these restrictions and vaccinations been effective? The infection rate from the Delta variant in NSW has been going up and is now over 1000 new infections each day. I mean, wtf is going on? Whoever is advising the government is completely ignorant because they are not trying interventions that might help reduce infections. One to three people are dying every day in our state. Most are over 80. Some have had the vaccines. They wanted to vaccinate all year 12 students before they sat for their final exams. Sadly 3 students died but that was covered up. Those in charge are actually killing young people with their stupid vaccines. People who are vaccinated can still get infected and even spread the disease. Again, wtf is this? Here we are under house arrest and no hope for restrictions to be lifted for months. It has been a mild 'winter' here is Sydney but things warm up in September.
Howard and those who are promoting vaccinations don't know what they are talking about. People would be better off taking Ivermectin or other prophylactics that have been proven to work. Unfortunately the governments are not helping citizens avoid the disease except via vaccinations. This is clearly lunacy. When scientists and doctors cannot freely exchange and debate data then we will get more of the same. I consider Google, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and most of the media evil entities because they are censoring information and promoting those dangerous so called 'vaccines'. I haven't seen any proof that wearing masks are effective in preventing infection. Look at Sydney and Melbourne....both cities reporting more infections almost daily.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/australia-breaking-news-live-coronavirus-updates-headlines-august-26-2021-sydney-numbers-victoria-pfizer-vaccine/0e994063-78c5-43ab-a72c-df49ac899ead#post=4267cdf4-3515-413f-82a1-127c884ff7e9
Does Ivermectin prevent someone from contracting COVID or is it only used to treat COVID patients?
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Covid is a virus , NOT a parasite. Ivermectin can't treat a VIRUS in animals or humans.
You realize 20% of all medication taken in the US is off label. Ivermectin has shown in lab analysis to have anti-viral properties that slow down viral replication in Covid-19.
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The EUA only applies to age 12-15 .
Go to FDA.gov and read the 1st page of the posted conclusions abstract.
Right under your quote it clearly states,
"this extension of EAU only applies to age 12-15.
The Pfizer vaccine is given FULL approval for all over 15. "
No, it appears you are incorrect about that.
You need to read the actual letter dated 8/23/21.
EUA is merely extended for 16+ and now in effect for 12-15.
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You realize 20% of all medication taken in the US is off label. Ivermectin has shown in lab analysis to have anti-viral properties that slow down viral replication in Covid-19.
Nothing will appease these Libtards. They are sheep ready and willing to walk off a cliff. Pure stupidity.
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No, it appears you are incorrect about that.
You need to read the actual letter dated 8/23/21.
EUA is merely extended for 16+ and now in effect for 12-15.
Nope, sorry, go READ it.
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"#BREAKING: From September 13, NSW residents that are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 will be given new freedoms.
Residents of hotspots can leave home for an hour of recreation on top of their exercise hour, while people in other areas can meet five others outdoors. "
This is a very dangerous course our politicians are taking.
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Nothing will appease these Libtards. They are sheep ready and willing to walk off a cliff. Pure stupidity.
I was sincerely interested in learning some alternative views and opinions.
But with a few exceptions, they seem lost in an alternate reality .
I still don't understand how they trust some half baked anti-vax claim on social media
and ignore a damn army of docs and scientists.
Reminds of an interaction I had with a guy , over the bible.
I was taking a course in New Testament Writings and had a Revised Standard edition Bible.
He asked me what bible I had, so I told him.
He replied ; " That's the wrong bible. You need the King James bible . That's the one ,the apostle Paul preached from.
I smiled and quietly responded ; " I can't argue with that. I'll notify the professor . :D
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I was sincerely interested in learning some alternative views and opinions.
But with a few exceptions, they seem lost in an alternate reality .
I still don't understand how they trust some half baked anti-vax claim on social media
and ignore a damn army of docs and scientists.
Reminds of an interaction I had with a guy , over the bible.
I was taking a course in New Testament Writings and had a Revised Standard edition Bible.
He asked me what bible I had, so I told him.
He replied ; " That's the wrong bible. You need the King James bible . That's the one ,the apostle Paul preached from.
I smiled and quietly responded ; " I can't argue with that. I'll notify the professor . :D
This is the first time an mRNA vaccine has been used/tested on a large scale - there is literally no long term data to prove that it will be safe
How could you with a straight face tell a younger person who has a 99% chance of surviving covid to get such a vaccine, one that won't even prevent him/her from spreading it to those who are at risk
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Of course all things approved by the FDA is safe and effective. Like Howard says it is as safe as baby aspirin. ::)
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Covid is a virus , NOT a parasite. Ivermectin can't treat a VIRUS in animals or humans.
You don’t even need to do any research here to realize that the ivermectin likely treats symptoms of the virus like inflammation, etc.
Nobody said it kills the virus.
Now I will admit I have not done research into ivermectin but that would not cause me to make definitive statements like yours. They are so many medicines that are used for things that they were not designed for.
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You don’t even need to do any research here to realize that the ivermectin likely treats symptoms of the virus like inflammation, etc.
Nobody said it kills the virus.
Now I will admit I have not done research into ivermectin but that would not cause me to make definitive statements like yours. They are so many medicines that are used for things that they were not designed for.
Exactly.
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"#BREAKING: From September 13, NSW residents that are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 will be given new freedoms.
Residents of hotspots can leave home for an hour of recreation on top of their exercise hour, while people in other areas can meet five others outdoors. "
This is a very dangerous course our politicians are taking.
Dangling a carrot, so that people will get vaccinated and then not even delivering a baby carrot.
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The single most important information about Covid-19. Howard and Prime, see if you can comprehend what Geert is saying. Watch the video to the end. Rewatch it if necessary. At the end you might want to alter your opinion about the value of current vaccines and efforts to vaccinate more people and even children.
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I was sincerely interested in learning some alternative views and opinions.
If I could tell you as early as January of 2021 who would develop a "covid cloud" and end up on a ventilator by a simple serum test, then why did I forgo that for pay-per-shots every 6-8 months?
They could have simply did a blood draw on you, sent your sample to a "off brand" lab, not associated with the BIG PHARMACIES, compared it against millions of the 99.7% unvaccinated 10-14 day quarantiners in a database, and given you a clinical outcome which would be 90% accurate. Either you need a shot or just experience covid naturally like a kid.
I understand you are the 'son of the man' so your ever fiber stops you from going against him, much like the getbigger's sister who thinks the govt would do no harm.
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Obsessed Vaxers
Those that have recovered from COVID-19 and remain unvaccinated are the most well protected. Those that are vaccinated (they still blame it on unvaccinated even though that goes against all viral replication science) are likely both infectious and a breeding ground for COVID mutations. What a mess. Clearly healthy individuals should have never been vaccinated.
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More information to consider.
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You don’t even need to do any research here to realize that the ivermectin likely treats symptoms of the virus like inflammation, etc.
Nobody said it kills the virus.
Now I will admit I have not done research into ivermectin but that would not cause me to make definitive statements like yours. They are so many medicines that are used for things that they were not designed for.
Ivermectin treats parasites and Covid is a virus.
Using Ivermectin to treat Covid is useless.
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The single most important information about Covid-19. Howard and Prime, see if you can comprehend what Geert is saying. Watch the video to the end. Rewatch it if necessary. At the end you might want to alter your opinion about the value of current vaccines and efforts to vaccinate more people and even children.
I'm going to be the retard who follows the advice of my personal doc and the FDA, instead of internet gurus.
Good luck.
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HOLY CRAP...
MARTY was right!!!!
"Japan Pulls 1.6-illion Doses of Moderna after Discovering They React to Magnets"
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/COVID-vaccines/1.6m-Moderna-doses-withdrawn-in-Japan-over-contamination
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HOLY CRAP...
MARTY was right!!!!
"Japan Pulls 1.6-illion Doses of Moderna after Discovering They React to Magnets"
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/COVID-vaccines/1.6m-Moderna-doses-withdrawn-in-Japan-over-contamination
Likely secret alien DNA found in the Roswell wreckage. ::)
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I'm going to be the retard who follows the advice of my personal doc and the FDA, instead of internet gurus.
Good luck.
And a Morehead grad to boot.
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And a Morehead grad to boot.
LOL, that was f'n funny ;D
On a serious note, none of us have all the answers on covid.
I just hope we all get thru this without getting a serious case of it.
Stay safe my friend.
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You don’t even need to do any research here to realize that the ivermectin likely treats symptoms of the virus like inflammation, etc.
Nobody said it kills the virus.
Now I will admit I have not done research into ivermectin but that would not cause me to make definitive statements like yours. They are so many medicines that are used for things that they were not designed for.
Great point. Viagra was originally supposed to be a medicine to help treat heart patients, but then they noticed a rather wonderful side effect and gold digging bimbos were having to put out to their randy 76 year old 'lover', sporting a boner you could hang a donkey jacket on.
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They've even found a way to repurpose thalidomide, that horrible drug which gave babies monstrous deformities in the early 1960s.
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Ivermectin treats parasites and Covid is a virus.
Using Ivermectin to treat Covid is useless.
LOL! Just stop Howard- this trolling is even worse than BHank!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8203399/
(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8203399/bin/41429_2021_430_Fig1_HTML.jpg)
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Using Ivermectin to treat Covid is useless.
Similar to trying to have a real conversation with you.
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Similar to trying to have a real conversation with you.
LOL, you're right , this is the forum version of a circular firing squad. ;D
For me it all comes down to trusting and accepting the information I get from my own doc and FDA, etc.
I just don't find most internet rumors to the contrary to be very credible .
I now know /accept , most people who buy into the "alternative info" won't be budged .
I really don't have much more to say at this point. No hard feelings on my end .
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LOL, you're right , this is the forum version of a circular firing squad. ;D
For me it all comes down to trusting and accepting the information I get from my own doc and FDA, etc.
I just don't find most internet rumors to the contrary to be very credible .
Yes, but you ignored all the people making points about it treating symptoms, alternate uses for medications, and the fact than there are many doctors supporting the use. You just return to the same blanketed, definitive statements.
I really don't have much more to say at this point.
The entire forum has been waiting to hear this for about 3 weeks now. Mods, please sticky and enforce.
No hard feelings on my end .
Never.....never should be.
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Yes, but you ignored all the people making points about it treating symptoms, alternate uses for medications, and the fact than there are many doctors supporting the use. You just return to the same blanketed, definitive statements.
The entire forum has been waiting to hear this for about 3 weeks now. Mods, please sticky and enforce.
Never.....never should be.
1. If someone makes an absurd claim, the only answer needed is " That's wrong".
2. LOL, ;D But for people wanting me to STFU, they sure gave me a lot of replies. Hmmm ;)
3. We may disagree on some issues, but we don't resort to personal insult attacks. Thank you for that.
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HOLY CRAP...
MARTY was right!!!!
"Japan Pulls 1.6-illion Doses of Moderna after Discovering They React to Magnets"
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/COVID-vaccines/1.6m-Moderna-doses-withdrawn-in-Japan-over-contamination
Contaminated vials.
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Ivermectin for the win. You can always get vaccinated if that floats your boat though.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-japanese-medical-association-chairman-tells-doctors-to-prescribe-ivermectin-for-covid/ (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-japanese-medical-association-chairman-tells-doctors-to-prescribe-ivermectin-for-covid/)
The chairman of the Tokyo Medical Association, Haruo Ozaki, held a press conference this week (https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/breaking-news-chairman-of-tokyo-medical-association-tells-doctors-to-prescribe-ivermectin-for-covid-treatment) announcing that the anti-parasite medicine Ivermectin seems to be effective at stopping COVID-19 and publicly recommending that all doctors in Japan immediately begin using Ivermectin to treat COVID
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1. If someone makes an absurd claim, the only answer needed is " That's wrong".
2. LOL, ;D But for people wanting me to STFU, they sure gave me a lot of replies. Hmmm ;)
3. We may disagree on some issues, but we don't resort to personal insult attacks. Thank you for that.
1. Interesting to hear why you dismiss it as absurd. My company has a 2 large India based offices, and they got crushed with the D variant. Talked on the phone, IM'd with co workers and they said they were utilizing ivermectin with success. Multiple, credible MDs have suggested it could be beneficial. The drug has been safe and approved for some time now. Anti inflammatory characteristics seem to be beneficial. Why is this absurd?
2. That's a defense a certain other poster uses.
3. No problem. Would rather counter folks with information. Personal attacks are weak.....but this is getbig......so sometimes necessary. ;D
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I really don't have much more to say at this point.
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You are onto something Thin Lizzy. Videos for Howard!
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French news: ANTIVAXERS a legally defeating pro vaccines bans in several French towns (free access to cafes,markets,etc,.) just like before China Flu !.
Nationalism is winning over Macron & globalist :D
More protests all over France !.
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1. Interesting to hear why you dismiss it as absurd. My company has a 2 large India based offices, and they got crushed with the D variant. Talked on the phone, IM'd with co workers and they said they were utilizing ivermectin with success. Multiple, credible MDs have suggested it could be beneficial. The drug has been safe and approved for some time now. Anti inflammatory characteristics seem to be beneficial. Why is this absurd?
2. That's a defense a certain other poster uses.
3. No problem. Would rather counter folks with information. Personal attacks are weak.....but this is getbig......so sometimes necessary. ;D
1. ok
2. I was joking
3 agree
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You are onto something Thin Lizzy. Videos for Howard!
I actually watched .
Catchy tune on what happens to a man when he only talks about bodybuilding and doesn't really train.
I like their hair styles but they need some serious bulking up .
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4. Right now, in my personal OPINION* , our best way out is for everyone to get a vaccine. If that doesn't work as expected, at least
it's safe and we can go from there .
this statement is worth pondering as you refer to the ‘way out’.
The ‘way out’ i am sure is universally agreed to mean life goes back to how it was.
If we compare pre-vax to post-vax state, the highest vax rate countries in the world are under heavier restrictions and lockdowns than pre-vax period.
We have the outcome of the vaccine rollout on quality of life and it is worse. Therefore to associate a worse outcome as the ‘way out’ is an odd conclusion. If they said get vax’d and you can move around freely, sure, it would be correct.
if your ideal ‘way out’ means everyone is vaxxed and we are all under restrictions and lockdowns - because this is the outcome of vax and is therefore the proven outcome - you have a huge disconnect with what is going on around you socially and economically.
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Howard doesn’t have the background to understand what’s going on economically and financially and that there might be a reason other than seasonal flu to slow down the economy via restrictions:
The Fed's favorite inflation measure rose at fastest pace in 30 years in July - CNN
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/27/economy/inflation-incomes-july/index.html
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Howard is a lost cause. He refuses to be open to anything other than the stories he tells himself. Even if anyone offers up scientific facts, Howard disputes them because he only sees what he wants to. I am afraid that we have many like Howard in Australia. An example being: vaccines are safe so offer up your 16 or under children to be used in experimental trial.
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Howard is a lost cause. He refuses to be open to anything other than the stories he tells himself. Even if anyone offers up scientific facts, Howard disputes them because he only sees what he wants to. I am afraid that we have many like Howard in Australia. An example being: vaccines are safe so offer up your 16 or under children to be used in experimental trial.
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Howard doesn’t have the background to understand what’s going on economically and financially and that there might be a reason other than seasonal flu to slow down the economy via restrictions:
The Fed's favorite inflation measure rose at fastest pace in 30 years in July - CNN
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/27/economy/inflation-incomes-july/index.html
FYI COVID (seasonal flue ::)) is a global.
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Howard is a lost cause. He refuses to be open to anything other than the stories he tells himself. Even if anyone offers up scientific facts, Howard disputes them because he only sees what he wants to. I am afraid that we have many like Howard in Australia. An example being: vaccines are safe so offer up your 16 or under children to be used in experimental trial.
Howard, I and many others could say the same about those of you who feel differently about COVID, the vaccines and what are and aren't scientific facts. There's a slim chance that time will reveal who is correct. It is pointless to try to convince people of something they do not believe to be true in situations like this because there is little chance that would ever happen.
I am vaccinated and I wear a mask when and where appropriate. IMO, my chances of getting seriously ill from COVID are less than it is for those of you who are not vaccinated and who choose not to wear a mask. I have no doubt that you disagree with me on this. Never-the-less, I wish you good health happiness and eventual peace of mind.
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Howard, I and many others could say the same about those of you who feel differently about COVID, the vaccines and what are and aren't scientific facts. There's a slim chance that time will reveal who is correct. It is pointless to try to convince people of something they do not believe to be true in situations like this because there is little chance that would ever happen.
I am vaccinated and I wear a mask when and where appropriate. IMO, my chances of getting seriously ill from COVID are less than it is for those of you who are not vaccinated and who choose not to wear a mask. I have no doubt that you disagree with me on this. Never-the-less, I wish you good health happiness and eventual peace of mind.
You survived AIDS Covid. I suspect after a nuclear war it’ll be just you, a few turtles and cockroaches.
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Howard has demonstrated that he is not a highly educated person. He refuses to be scientific about diminished efficacy of current vaccines and alternatives to treatment and prophylactic protection. Shameful conduct in this thread. He keeps repeating his dogma like a religious fanatic.
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Howard, I and many others could say the same about those of you who feel differently about COVID, the vaccines and what are and aren't scientific facts. There's a slim chance that time will reveal who is correct. It is pointless to try to convince people of something they do not believe to be true in situations like this because there is little chance that would ever happen.
I am vaccinated and I wear a mask when and where appropriate. IMO, my chances of getting seriously ill from COVID are less than it is for those of you who are not vaccinated and who choose not to wear a mask. I have no doubt that you disagree with me on this. Never-the-less, I wish you good health happiness and eventual peace of mind.
Even vaccinated people should stay vigilant, said Dr. Gaby Sauza, 30, of Seattle, who was inoculated over the winter but tested positive for COVID-19 along with other guests days after an Aug. 14 Vermont wedding, even though the festivities were mostly outdoors and those attending had to submit photos of their vaccination cards.
“In retrospect, absolutely, I do wish I had worn a mask,” she said.
Sauza, a resident in pediatrics, will miss two weeks of hospital work and has wrestled with guilt over burdening her colleagues. She credits the vaccine with keeping her infection manageable, though she suffered several days of body aches, fevers, night sweats, fatigue, coughing and chest pain.
Fully vaccinated but had to go into quarantine, so what are Howard and you talking about?
Raven had similar symptoms and a quarantine without a unvax. Assume both are healthy with nothing underlying conditions. Serum test/physical/history could have answered a lot of questions.
Outcome: Raven antibody levels are pretty much the same months later. Sauza is in line for her 3rd shot. And from what I hearing #4 pay-per-shot is on the way.
Good Doc hasn't had another reinfection and still hasn't had one shot, or has he but his natural immune system has no problem identifying a poly-colony of viroids and reacting on it spontaneously?
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Howard, I and many others could say the same about those of you who feel differently about COVID, the vaccines and what are and aren't scientific facts. There's a slim chance that time will reveal who is correct. It is pointless to try to convince people of something they do not believe to be true in situations like this because there is little chance that would ever happen.
I am vaccinated and I wear a mask when and where appropriate. IMO, my chances of getting seriously ill from COVID are less than it is for those of you who are not vaccinated and who choose not to wear a mask. I have no doubt that you disagree with me on this. Never-the-less, I wish you good health happiness and eventual peace of mind.
The most striking difference between camps, however, is that the unvaxed tend, on the whole, to have their own reasons but basically think you should decide for yourself. By contrast, a lot of vaccinated people are complete fascists favoring all sorts of vaccine enforcement, and they seem to relish telling you that you're going to be forced to comply.
Thats a hard difference to miss. Not so much you yourself maybe but Howard for sure and many others. It's incredibly obnoxious and I can't believe people who aren't experts or authorities of any kind wouldn't be embarrassed to presume to tell others what to do, vocally pass unfavorable judgement, and generally be hostile and unpleasant. I'm saddened to see civility disappearing.
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The most striking difference between camps, however, is that the unvaxed tend, on the whole, to have their own reasons but basically think you should decide for yourself. By contrast, a lot of vaccinated people are complete fascists favoring all sorts of vaccine enforcement, and they seem to relish telling you that you're going to be forced to comply.
Thats a hard difference to miss. Not so much you yourself maybe but Howard for sure and many others. It's incredibly obnoxious and I can't believe people who aren't experts or authorities of any kind wouldn't be embarrassed to presume to tell others what to do, vocally pass unfavorable judgement, and generally be hostile and unpleasant. I'm saddened to see civility disappearing.
Science works by having an open forum where all data and theories can be checked and debated. The problem we have in the world at the moment concerning Covid-19 and variants is that Google, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, most of the TV stations and newspapers all follow WHO and CDC. This is sad and dangerous. WHO and CDC consider their information the truth and therefore everyone who has different opinions, no matter if supported by data and science, are considered misinformation and are deleted or censored.
We have to ask a serious question. Why are healthy people vaccinated in the first place? The old and vulnerable might have a good reason but everyone under 50, unless they have co-morbidities, don't have to be vaccinated. There is information out there thanks to the internet. There are true experts, doctors and scientists posting videos explaining what is happening and possible problems and dangers. Some are posting data that supports using alternative therapies and prophylactics. If you do enough research you will discover things are not as rosy as naive Howard presumes. Why is that? Well, WHO and CDC are mistaken in what they consider the truth. Will they change what they believe? If we wait long enough and if the disaster escalates then they will have no alternative.
The one thing that shouldn't be tampered with is natural immunity of children and adolescents. In NSW, Australia, the government recommended all year 12 students get vaccinated before their final exams in September. 3 teenagers died from the vaccine. I find this reprehensible and even criminal. I shake my head at the stupidity of all state and federal governments in Australia. The country doesn't exist anymore because NSW and Victoria residents can't freely travel to other states. The vaccination numbers are increasing by hundreds of thousands each week yet the infections in NSW keep getting higher. We have police and army helping the government implement lockdowns and restrictions. 9 weeks of lockdowns in Sydney. I mean, WTF is going on? A police state and the Delta virus keeps spreading. So the government increases restrictions and implements curfews. You aren't allowed to go anywhere after 9 pm until 5 am. Oh, they are doing this for our own good. Well, the experiments in Australia and New Zealand should be a warning to every other country. Did I mention that Australians can't leave the country as well? A complete prison run by a corrupt government, the police dummies and the dopey army.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-nsw-update-latest-sydney-low-covid-case-numbers-key-to-school-return/8e17de8a-a4eb-4aa8-bb6b-b8b70466f983
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I think it's likely I won't be permitted through the police roadblock next time there's a Perth metro/ wheatbelt lockdown without proof of vaccination.
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I think it's likely I won't be permitted through the police roadblock next time there's a Perth metro/ wheatbelt lockdown without proof of vaccination.
The beatings shall continue until morale improves. >:(
Sorry that your government is doing this to you.
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Contracting and beating COVID provides better protection against delta variant than Pfizer shot,
new OLD research shows
The darkness is always forced into the light.
Catching and beating COVID-19 during one of the initial waves of the global health pandemic appears to provide more protection against the highly-contagious delta variant than both doses of the vaccine developed by Pfizer and BioNTech.
The largest real-world analysis comparing natural immunity and the protection provided by coronavirus vaccines revealed those who have received both jabs of Pfizer’s two-stick shot were almost six-fold more likely to contract a delta infection and seven-fold more likely to show symptoms and become hospitalized than those who have already recovered from COVID.
The paper, by researchers in Israel, also stands in contrast to past reports suggesting those who have been vaccinated are just as protected from the virus as those who have been infected with it.
Still have to incorporate Pharmacy pay-per-lies. Natural immunity still does the trick vs. Delta and its' future offspring. Where are the serum test? People are tired of this bullshit.
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Howard, I and many others could say the same about those of you who feel differently about COVID, the vaccines and what are and aren't scientific facts. There's a slim chance that time will reveal who is correct. It is pointless to try to convince people of something they do not believe to be true in situations like this because there is little chance that would ever happen.
I am vaccinated and I wear a mask when and where appropriate. IMO, my chances of getting seriously ill from COVID are less than it is for those of you who are not vaccinated and who choose not to wear a mask. I have no doubt that you disagree with me on this. Never-the-less, I wish you good health happiness and eventual peace of mind.
I believe in the science of wearing a mask so don’t assume that I don’t. When my mother was in ICU before Covid, I had to wear a mask around her. I think it’s common sense to have a barrier around your mouth and nose because all colds/ viruses spread from there. I believe that many vaccinated have a false sense of security because they’ve had the vaccine. And since you can catch and transmit it the same as someone like me who is not vaccinated, therefore your theory is untrue. I am not more likely to catch Covid. It all depends on our demographic and as I am in a lower density area, I am less likely.
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I believe in the science of wearing a mask so don’t assume that I don’t. When my mother was in ICU before Covid, I had to wear a mask around her. I think it’s common sense to have a barrier around your mouth and nose because all colds/ viruses spread from there. I believe that many vaccinated have a false sense of security because they’ve had the vaccine. And since you can catch and transmit it the same as someone like me who is not vaccinated, therefore your theory is untrue. I am not more likely to catch Covid. It all depends on our demographic and as I am in a lower density area, I am less likely.
If you and I went to an indoor event together and were both exposed to the same levels of covid-19, I'd be more protected from the virus. Not even sure how you or anyone could argue that. Assuming for the sake of argument that we were both as likely or unlikely to catch it and both caught it, it's 99.9 more likely that you'd have more problems than I would. While I could still possibly give it to others again, you'd be much more likely to than me given that your viral loads would almost certainly be higher as my antibodies would kick in and diminish the effects of the virus.
I'm sorry you guys are locked down. That truly sucks and I don't like it. I think mask mandates, distancing and even capacity limits are the better way to go. Especially this far into the pandemic. We agree on the common sense of masking up and while I can understand hesitancy about the vaccine, I cannot understand for the life of me the resistance to masks. I hope that whatever landed your mother in the ICU is in the rear view mirror and that she is doing well.
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This video changed my mind about the effectiveness of masks against getting infected with covid-19 or variants.
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This video changed my mind about the effectiveness of masks against getting infected with covid-19 or variants.
3 minutes of my life I can't get back. Fucking quack.
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I think it's likely I won't be permitted through the police roadblock next time there's a Perth metro/ wheatbelt lockdown without proof of vaccination.
WTF U are kidding me?! Slowly squeezing every avenue off so we are FORCED to get this cunting vacine!
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This video changed my mind about the effectiveness of masks against getting infected with covid-19 or variants.
Good vid, these masks are total bs. Loads of terrified people out there wearing multiple masks, even wind-shield looking things, and all these poor buggers are freaking out scared of their fellow man.
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If you and I went to an indoor event together and were both exposed to the same levels of covid-19, I'd be more protected from the virus. Not even sure how you or anyone could argue that. Assuming for the sake of argument that we were both as likely or unlikely to catch it and both caught it, it's 99.9 more likely that you'd have more problems than I would. While I could still possibly give it to others again, you'd be much more likely to than me given that your viral loads would almost certainly be higher as my antibodies would kick in and diminish the effects of the virus.
I'm sorry you guys are locked down. That truly sucks and I don't like it. I think mask mandates, distancing and even capacity limits are the better way to go. Especially this far into the pandemic. We agree on the common sense of masking up and while I can understand hesitancy about the vaccine, I cannot understand for the life of me the resistance to masks. I hope that whatever landed your mother in the ICU is in the rear view mirror and that she is doing well.
Not having a pop at you but you pulled that stat out of your ass. You took the injection and you are no better off for it whatsoever. Stupid cunts (ftp://ts) that took it are dropping like fucking flies all over the world! 99% my arse just accept you were scammed and might die of some unknown disease and move on.
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I wore masks in stores when required. If not, I did as always, stayed away from people.
Always hated kvnts anyways and stayed away, always practiced 'distancing'.
On the Vax, people need to stop saying "just get it" (Howard, etc). Its not up to you. Its very early and experimental.
Many drug trials have been pulled after a few years because of problems, this one "could" be like that (or not) no one knows.
I hope you "pushers" are right and it ends up being safe, as I know a lot of folks who have gotten it (family members, etc).
(A sibling just got it to travel, was horrificly sick for 2 weeks, hospital visit, etc after getting it). Travel was ruined and sick in hotel room for the duration.
Still battling the effects of it. Has never been sick during this whole RONA thing until getting it.
You think opeople are wacky for not getting it, just imagine how you are looked at trying to push it on others?
Take your Vax and move along, stop saying "just get the vax" its not your call...
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I wore masks in stores when required. If not, I did as always, stayed away from people.
Always hated kvnts anyways and stayed away, always practiced 'distancing'.
On the Vax, people need to stop saying "just get it" (Howard, etc). Its not up to you. Its very early and experimental.
Many drug trials have been pulled after a few years because of problems, this one "could" be like that (or not) no one knows.
I hope you "pushers" are right and it ends up being safe, as I know a lot of folks who have gotten it (family members, etc).
(A sibling just got it to travel, was horrificly sick for 2 weeks, hospital visit, etc after getting it). Travel was ruined and sick in hotel room for the duration.
Still battling the effects of it. Has never been sick during this whole RONA thing until getting it.
You think opeople are wacky for not getting it, just imagine how you are looked at trying to push it on others?
Take your Vax and move along, stop saying "just get the vax" its not your call...
Well said, I totally agree. Is Howard telling people to get it? The fart guy?! If his brains were dynamite he couldn't even blow his wig off. No thanks, fuck off
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Well said, I totally agree. Is Howard telling people to get it? The fart guy?! If his brains were dynamite he couldn't even blow his wig off. No thanks, fuck off
Howard isn't a dumbass but he isn't thinking like a scientist. Ok, suppose Howard did his homework and concluded, "Yep, compelling reasons to get vaccinated." He then feels he has to help his fellow humans by warning them about dangers if unvaccinated. He is supported by his local doctor and WHO and even FDA. So far that is sensible behaviour. However, what Howard ignores are the many scientists and doctors who have different views about how to deal with Covid-19. He even dismisses them as misinformation. He should get a citation from WHO for helping his hapless fellow citizens.
I have studied the philosophy of science at the graduate level. What have I learned? Well, simply theories about science and even ordinary matters of fact can be wrong. Think about our opinions here on Getbig. No matter how strongly you believe something is no guarantee that you are right. You have to listen to opposing views. The scientist is always open to correcting false beliefs no matter how strongly he holds them. So the conclusion is that we all must be open to changing our beliefs if evidence supports the opposite of what we believe. We look for studies and embrace the latest data from around the world. Compelling evidence has to be accepted...eventually.
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EU says the plant that produced 1.63 million Moderna doses Japan halted the use of because of possible contamination can keep producing vaccines
Japan had stopped the use of 1.63 million Moderna doses after possible contamination.
The EU said the plant manufacturing the COVID-19 vaccines can resume operations, Reuters reported.
"An investigation into the root cause is ongoing," the European Medicines Agency told Reuters.
No clue what caused the continuation but still pumping them out contaminated or not.
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Howard isn't a dumbass but he isn't thinking like a scientist. Ok, suppose Howard did his homework and concluded, "Yep, compelling reasons to get vaccinated." He then feels he has to help his fellow humans by warning them about dangers if unvaccinated. He is supported by his local doctor and WHO and even FDA. So far that is sensible behaviour. However, what Howard ignores are the many scientists and doctors who have different views about how to deal with Covid-19. He even dismisses them as misinformation. He should get a citation from WHO for helping his hapless fellow citizens.
I have studied the philosophy of science at the graduate level. What have I learned? Well, simply theories about science and even ordinary matters of fact can be wrong. Think about our opinions here on Getbig. No matter how strongly you believe something is no guarantee that you are right. You have to listen to opposing views. The scientist is always open to correcting false beliefs no matter how strongly he holds them. So the conclusion is that we all must be open to changing our beliefs if evidence supports the opposite of what we believe. We look for studies and embrace the latest data from around the world. Compelling evidence has to be accepted...eventually.
Well said Vince. Makes a bit too much sense for GetBig, but yes, correct...
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If you and I went to an indoor event together and were both exposed to the same levels of covid-19, I'd be more protected from the virus. Not even sure how you or anyone could argue that. Assuming for the sake of argument that we were both as likely or unlikely to catch it and both caught it, it's 99.9 more likely that you'd have more problems than I would. While I could still possibly give it to others again, you'd be much more likely to than me given that your viral loads would almost certainly be higher as my antibodies would kick in and diminish the effects of the virus.
I'm sorry you guys are locked down. That truly sucks and I don't like it. I think mask mandates, distancing and even capacity limits are the better way to go. Especially this far into the pandemic. We agree on the common sense of masking up and while I can understand hesitancy about the vaccine, I cannot understand for the life of me the resistance to masks. I hope that whatever landed your mother in the ICU is in the rear view mirror and that she is doing well.
Thank you… I watched my mother die. I know she wouldn’t believe in this Covid vaccine. I am certain of it.
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In New York City, the Howard types are always preaching to the choir. In Howard’s neck of the woods the main holds out at this point are blacks in Atlanta. Howard should go there, preferably at night and brow beat them into getting vaxxed.
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Howard isn't a dumbass but he isn't thinking like a scientist. Ok, suppose Howard did his homework and concluded, "Yep, compelling reasons to get vaccinated." He then feels he has to help his fellow humans by warning them about dangers if unvaccinated. He is supported by his local doctor and WHO and even FDA. So far that is sensible behaviour. However, what Howard ignores are the many scientists and doctors who have different views about how to deal with Covid-19. He even dismisses them as misinformation. He should get a citation from WHO for helping his hapless fellow citizens.
I have studied the philosophy of science at the graduate level. What have I learned? Well, simply theories about science and even ordinary matters of fact can be wrong. Think about our opinions here on Getbig. No matter how strongly you believe something is no guarantee that you are right. You have to listen to opposing views. The scientist is always open to correcting false beliefs no matter how strongly he holds them. So the conclusion is that we all must be open to changing our beliefs if evidence supports the opposite of what we believe. We look for studies and embrace the latest data from around the world. Compelling evidence has to be accepted...eventually.
Howard cannot accept that he’s participated in a trial for an experimental drug. The unknown long term effects will only be known in a few years. And what’s worse is that the FDA are shady and not disclosing the truth. Even a very pro vaccine analyst/ doctor called Dr John Campbell has referred to the latest FDA info on the Pfizer approval as “sloppy at best.”
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Not having a pop at you but you pulled that stat out of your ass. You took the injection and you are no better off for it whatsoever. Stupid cunts (ftp://ts) that took it are dropping like fucking flies all over the world! 99% my arse just accept you were scammed and might die of some unknown disease and move on.
The most vaccinated demographic area in Australia is seeing cases skyrocketing and they’ve been in lockdown for 9 weeks. A lockdown with curfews and only permitted for one hour a day outside for exercise.
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This video changed my mind about the effectiveness of masks against getting infected with covid-19 or variants.
Post than on FB and it comes up as false information
Reason is they say its false is because masks can filter airbourne particles, whats also true is that the corovavirus molecules dont fall into the category of the airbourne particles that mention, they are smaller and as such as seen in the video they can pass through up to five masks at once.
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https://www.facebook.com/david.hilton.142/videos/1201183580386712
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Howard cannot accept that he’s participated in a trial for an experimental drug. The unknown long term effects will only be known in a few years. And what’s worse is that the FDA are shady and not disclosing the truth. Even a very pro vaccine analyst/ doctor called Dr John Campbell has referred to the latest FDA info on the Pfizer approval as “sloppy at best.”
Dr John Campbell is very thorough and totally honest. Watch the video and see for yourself. Look at the latest figures from Israel. Very worrying, indeed.
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Dr John Campbell is very thorough and totally honest. Watch the video and see for yourself. Look at the latest figures from Israel. Very worrying, indeed.
Where are the new figures?
We need to give you a 3rd shot to get you back to 79.8%. Then, a 4th short 6-8 months later to get you back to 91-95% if we haven't fallen below 79.8% at a rate of ~6% by than again.
Public Outcome - The unvaccinated are causing the new variants even though they are testing negative based on weekly tests
That wasn't that hard.
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Howard isn't a dumbass but he isn't thinking like a scientist. Ok, suppose Howard did his homework and concluded, "Yep, compelling reasons to get vaccinated." He then feels he has to help his fellow humans by warning them about dangers if unvaccinated. He is supported by his local doctor and WHO and even FDA. So far that is sensible behaviour. However, what Howard ignores are the many scientists and doctors who have different views about how to deal with Covid-19. He even dismisses them as misinformation. He should get a citation from WHO for helping his hapless fellow citizens.
I have studied the philosophy of science at the graduate level. What have I learned? Well, simply theories about science and even ordinary matters of fact can be wrong. Think about our opinions here on Getbig. No matter how strongly you believe something is no guarantee that you are right. You have to listen to opposing views. The scientist is always open to correcting false beliefs no matter how strongly he holds them. So the conclusion is that we all must be open to changing our beliefs if evidence supports the opposite of what we believe. We look for studies and embrace the latest data from around the world. Compelling evidence has to be accepted...eventually.
Good man, well said. I am really pleased there are still some free thinkers around who don't just mindlessly gulp down every morsel of MSM info, without even checking it out for themselves first.
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The beatings shall continue until morale improves. >:(
Sorry that your government is doing this to you.
It's a government. It's not necessarily my government.
Like the poet said, "I don't really need a leader. I'm good all on my own. I don't need to be led."
WTF U are kidding me?! Slowly squeezing every avenue off so we are FORCED to get this cunting vacine!
I might choose to get it someday purely on the basis of safety, efficacy, and medical necessity. Coercive measures provide no information about any of that so they won't factor in my decision. I'm Full Sheldon on this.
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The most vaccinated demographic area in Australia is seeing cases skyrocketing and they’ve been in lockdown for 9 weeks. A lockdown with curfews and only permitted for one hour a day outside for exercise.
Hi Booty, I am very sorry about your mother. I lost my mum lovely mum last year and I feel your pain and am very sorry.
I have been watching the situation in Australia with interest, alarm and anger. Our governments have turned totally rogue and seem to be taking turns inflicting this shit on us at different times. I am in England and we are temporarily 'free' but come winter when people start dying of the vaccine/flu covid we will get locked down again under the guise of some fictitious ruse.
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Here are some questions for our Australian members and please share only honest responses.
Are they really somehow lining up children to vaccinate them by the thousands in stadiums? <-- This particular idea seems so sinister that it's hard to believe. How do you take children from their parents if so?
How aggressive have the protests in the streets been against mandated vaccines and quarantines?
Are they truly setting up testing camps within actual neighborhood communities?
I think the mainstream media only shows us but so much, I am curious to read what others that actually live there can truly express about what they are seeing/experiencing.
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[quote author=Tapeworm link=topic=674253.msg9634983#msg9634983 date=163015627
I might choose to get it someday purely on the basis of safety, efficacy, and medical necessity. Coercive measures provide no information about any of that so they won't factor in my decision. I'm Full Sheldon on this.
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Respect. Where is the honor and integrity in all this? Coercive measures are disgusting, I am so annoyed at this crap.
ps edit sorry I fucked up your quote abit but so it goes
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Howard is a former educator.
Educators are among the dumbest people I've met.
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Hi Booty, I am very sorry about your mother. I lost my mum lovely mum last year and I feel your pain and am very sorry.
I have been watching the situation in Australia with interest, alarm and anger. Our governments have turned totally rogue and seem to be taking turns inflicting this shit on us at different times. I am in England and we are temporarily 'free' but come winter when people start dying of the vaccine/flu covid we will get locked down again under the guise of some fictitious ruse.
Thank you sincerely and I am so very sorry for your loss also. I think they are using lockdowns as a way to make us comply and to break people down. I never would have dreamed this would be happening. I am more afraid of this tyranny and where we will all be in the next 18 months than I am of Covid.
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Cloth and ordinary surgical masks provide a very limited protection to others from you.
They provide virtually zero protection to you from others.
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Howard is a former educator.
Educators are among the dumbest people I've met.
Yes
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Here are some questions for our Australian members and please share only honest responses.
Are they really somehow lining up children to vaccinate them by the thousands in stadiums? <-- This particular idea seems so sinister that it's hard to believe. How do you take children from their parents if so?
How aggressive have the protests in the streets been against mandated vaccines and quarantines?
Are they truly setting up testing camps within actual neighborhood communities?
I think the mainstream media only shows us but so much, I am curious to read what others that actually live there can truly express about what they are seeing/experiencing.
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I'm in the west and there's no virus. Employers are telling employees that they'll be fired of they don't get the vax and, afaik, legislation is moving forward targeted at aged care workers. I consider that a different kettle of sinister fish since it's government intervention into private industry.
We're not under lockdown but there are three precedents which demonstrate that mask mandates, curfews, and police roadblocks will materialize once again. Interestingly, although you're perceiving Australian measures as draconian, I'm predicting the institution of such based on what I see from other parts of the world, such as the French passport legislation and Biden's recent admonition, in the wake of FDA approval, for businesses to ban unvaxed customers.
Confess I don't know a lot about what's happening in the east. I have covid fatigue and find the shit tier scripted propagandizing too exhausting and pointless to deal with. The media here is hilariously unsophisticated. You'd really get a kick out of it. It's like something from an early 2000s public access channel in the US.
It sounds like the east has it rough tho and the Stazi is in full swing. I have no illusions I won't be living under the same controls before long. It's going to be a real ugly next 12 months.
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Here are some questions for our Australian members and please share only honest responses.
Are they really somehow lining up children to vaccinate them by the thousands in stadiums? <-- This particular idea seems so sinister that it's hard to believe. How do you take children from their parents if so?
How aggressive have the protests in the streets been against mandated vaccines and quarantines?
Are they truly setting up testing camps within actual neighborhood communities?
I think the mainstream media only shows us but so much, I am curious to read what others that actually live there can truly express about what they are seeing/experiencing.
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OMR I will answer as best I can. Yes they took several thousand 16 year olds into a vaccination hub and vaccinated them while their parents were not allowed inside. They told the parents that they couldn’t come inside because they didn’t want too many people in there because of the risk of Covid. The children were coerced into getting the vaccine to complete their HSC which is exams that they take for their grade in school. They are going to do the same to the 12-15 year olds soon. They said that they will begin vaccinating them in school. I don’t have school aged children as they are grown but if I did, I would withdraw them from school and home school. I don’t think the parents will need to give consent. The kids can give consent without them… that’s what they’ve said. I think they are the most evil monsters imaginable and it fills me with absolute rage thinking about it. The last few weeks I have been struggling mentally to get my head around with what’s happening in my country.
The protests here are very peaceful. You won’t see people smashing stores etc like the protests in the USA last year. The people are getting more and angry and waking up to this tyranny especially since many are losing their businesses and struggling to feed their families. The most recent protests did get quite violent because police began firing rubber bullets at people including children. The police and army believe that protesters are breaking the law. Basically under the health order you aren’t allowed to protest.
Testing camps might be what we called testing hubs. They test over a hundred thousand people a day everyday. What they are building is quarantine facilities. Which makes me wonder why we will need them next year if they are going to try to live with Covid. They must plan to still quarantine travellers on arrival.
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[quote author=Tapeworm link=topic=674253.msg9634983#msg9634983 date=163015627
I might choose to get it someday purely on the basis of safety, efficacy, and medical necessity. Coercive measures provide no information about any of that so they won't factor in my decision. I'm Full Sheldon on this.
Respect. Where is the honor and integrity in all this? Coercive measures are disgusting, I am so annoyed at this crap.
ps edit sorry I fucked up your quote abit but so it goes
Thanks. I'm genuinely confused when someone says they opted to take the shot because "I want to be allowed to _______."
??? How is that relevant information?
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Soon it will be time for the identifier to be placed upon the unclean of this world and usher them into camps. Will it be a Star of David? Not this time...
All of you fuckers that desired this Reich? You deserve to fall at the hands of the filth you celebrate.
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In pre-covid years, I used to complain about the bizarre Australian propensity for knee-jerk compliance. "Anything you say mister!" quoth he to The Toecutter.
Honestly, if you tell them something is a Rule or a New Rule, they get confused if you ask why or on what grounds. It doesn't compute. All they know how to do is obey. They just keep repeating "But it's a rule." Which led me to impersonate a retarded child who loudly chants RULZ R RULZ, RULZ R RULZ. Which I find hilarious but the locals have yet to learn to appreciate, lol.
Whatever. It's not my country. I'll take the same tourist's perspective I always have. I like it here and I've always been well behaved but it's not like like there's nothing which wouldn't make me pack my bags and say sayonara.
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In pre-covid years, I used to complain about the bizarre Australian propensity for knee-jerk compliance. "Anything you say mister!" quoth he to The Toecutter.
Honestly, if you tell them something is a Rule or a New Rule, they get confused if you ask why or on what grounds. It doesn't compute. All they know how to do is obey. They just keep repeating "But it's a rule." Which led me to impersonate a retarded child who loudly chants RULZ R RULZ, RULZ R RULZ. Which I find hilarious but the locals have yet to learn to appreciate, lol.
Whatever. It's not my country. I'll take the same tourist's perspective I always have. I like it here and I've always been well behaved but it's not like like there's nothing which wouldn't make me pack my bags and say sayonara.
Take me with you, when we can get out of this hell hole.
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Isn't NZ better?
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Howard is a former educator.
Educators are among the dumbest people I've met.
I haven’t been on Twitter in a long time but back in the day whenever I would see somebody spouting Marxist ideology it would almost invariably be some retired teacher or post office employee.
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Take me with you, when we can get out of this hell hole.
Sure. You know The Rules of the Road, of course. ;D
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Honestly, if you tell them something is a Rule or a New Rule, they get confused if you ask why or on what grounds. It doesn't compute. All they know how to do is obey. They just keep repeating "But it's a rule." Which led me to impersonate a retarded child who loudly chants RULZ R RULZ, RULZ R RULZ. Which I find hilarious but the locals have yet to learn to appreciate, lol.
This reminds me of
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Unfortunately the US is becoming more and more like other western countries.
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This reminds me of
Purdy much. There are some drastically stupid people in Western Australia.
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Thank you… I watched my mother die. I know she wouldn’t believe in this Covid vaccine. I am certain of it.
I'm very sorry. Had no idea. Hope you find peace in the loving memories you have.
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Even vaccinated people should stay vigilant, said Dr. Gaby Sauza, 30, of Seattle, who was inoculated over the winter but tested positive for COVID-19 along with other guests days after an Aug. 14 Vermont wedding, even though the festivities were mostly outdoors and those attending had to submit photos of their vaccination cards.
“In retrospect, absolutely, I do wish I had worn a mask,” she said.
Sauza, a resident in pediatrics, will miss two weeks of hospital work and has wrestled with guilt over burdening her colleagues. She credits the vaccine with keeping her infection manageable, though she suffered several days of body aches, fevers, night sweats, fatigue, coughing and chest pain.
Fully vaccinated but had to go into quarantine, so what are Howard and you talking about?
Raven had similar symptoms and a quarantine without a unvax. Assume both are healthy with nothing underlying conditions. Serum test/physical/history could have answered a lot of questions.
Outcome: Raven antibody levels are pretty much the same months later. Sauza is in line for her 3rd shot. And from what I hearing #4 pay-per-shot is on the way.
Good Doc hasn't had another reinfection and still hasn't had one shot, or has he but his natural immune system has no problem identifying a poly-colony of viroids and reacting on it spontaneously?
I can't speak for Howard, but what I am talking about is that COVID-19 is a big deal. It is not a hoax perpetuated on the people of the world by big pharma so they can make more money. I am talking about the fact that even the supposed experts don't know how to rein it in, if that is even possible. I am talking about a virus that started by taking out the old and infirmed and is now hospitalizing and killing much younger and presumably healthier people, including children. I am talking about a virus that each time it mutates, it gets more powerful.
What I am not talking about is telling other people what they should do. Not saying they must get vaccinated. Not saying they must wear a mask anytime they are in a public setting. Not saying they should stay as far away from others as they possibly can. I am not a virologist nor do I know more than these folks do. I am not a doctor, nor do I know more than some doctors do, at least in regards to COVID. What I do know is that it is my choice to determine who whose advice I want to follow and to get vaccinated, wear a mask and social distance as a precaution so as not to get sick from this virus and/or spread it to others. So far, lucky me, my choices have kept me healthy.
Science and definitely not people with the power to impose mandates and even laws have all the answers. They are doing the best they can with the tools/knowledge they have to try to best handle the spread of COVID. Lay people who follow crackpot theories are welcome to do so, but don't impose your often ill advised ideas on the rest of us.
What I am guessing based on the short history we all have with COVID, that this is going to get much worse. The level of panic will increase and cause people to act irrationally. Many of you will come up with all manner of crazy theories as to how to weather this storm. I am guessing that the economy is going to continue to suffer and degrade the longer this virus is with us. This is not a hoax folks. It would probably be better for most of us if it were just some made up nonsense so that a few rich folks can get richer.
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I can't speak for Howard, but what I am talking about is that COVID-19 is a big deal. It is not a hoax perpetuated on the people of the world by big pharma so they can make more money. I am talking about the fact that even the supposed experts don't know how to rein it in, if that is even possible. I am talking about a virus that started by taking out the old and infirmed and is now hospitalizing and killing much younger and presumably healthier people, including children. I am talking about a virus that each time it mutates, it gets more powerful.
Pure, unadulterated bullshit. I'm not going to bother showing you the latest studies about the delta variant potency because you treat Covid as a religion.
The Covid vaccine is a fraud. It actually makes the body worse because it elevates antibodies. But by all means keep getting boosters Prime. I predict you will be dead in a year to 18 months if you do, based on your age.
https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/09/09/for-an-effective-covid-vaccine-look-beyond-antibodies-to-t-cells/
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Pure, unadulterated bullshit. I'm not going to bother showing you the latest studies about the delta variant potency because you treat Covid as a religion.
The Covid vaccine is a fraud. It actually makes the body worse because it elevates antibodies. But by all means keep getting boosters Prime. I predict you will be dead in a year to 18 months if you do, based on your age.
https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/09/09/for-an-effective-covid-vaccine-look-beyond-antibodies-to-t-cells/
Why are you so hostile and passionate in this response to my post? Honestly, predicting my death as a means of making your point....seems way over the top. I didn't tell you to get the vaccine. I said getting it or not is a choice each of us makes. Honestly, check your mental health....your response is not the kind of thing a mentally and emotionally fit person says. I'll worry about my health and you concern yourself with yours.
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"This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity."
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
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Howard is a former educator.
Educators are among the dumbest people I've met.
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"This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity."
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
Guess you didn't read this part of the article, huh?
This article is a preprint and has not been certified by peer review [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.
Here is what it means:
What is an unrefereed preprint?
Before formal publication in a scholarly journal, scientific and medical articles are traditionally certified by “peer review.” In this process, the journal’s editors take advice from various experts—called “referees”—who have assessed the paper and may identify weaknesses in its assumptions, methods, and conclusions. Typically a journal will only publish an article once the editors are satisfied that the authors have addressed referees’ concerns and that the data presented support the conclusions drawn in the paper.
Because this process can be lengthy, authors use the medRxiv service to make their manuscripts available as “preprints” before certification by peer review, allowing
other scientists to see, discuss, and comment on the findings immediately. Readers should therefore be aware that articles on medRxiv have not been finalized by authors, might contain errors, and report information that has not yet been accepted or endorsed in any way by the scientific or medical community.
We also urge journalists and other individuals who report on medical research to the general public to consider this when discussing work that appears on medRxiv preprints and emphasize it has yet to be evaluated by the medical community and the information presented may be erroneous.
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Prime trying to out retard Howard the cuck ::)
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The average Getbigger, including Howard and Prime, probably can't comprehend what real scientists say about vaccines. Geert Vanden Bossche warns us about the folly of widespread vaccinations.
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Here are Geert and Bret Weinstein discussing the pandemic, interventions and dangers. A short introduction to virology and the immune system. Consider that the video was made on April 23,2021. Seems to me Dr Bossche is right because now we are seeing an explosion in infection rates via the variants, especially Delta.
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The average Getbigger, including Howard and Prime, probably can't comprehend what real scientists say about vaccines. Geert Vanden Bossche warns us about the folly of widespread vaccinations.
NSW and Victoria are pumping those Covid vaccines as fast as they can into people and the rise in cases is exploding, during lockdowns.
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The average Getbigger, including Howard and Prime, probably can't comprehend what real scientists say about vaccines. Geert Vanden Bossche warns us about the folly of widespread vaccinations.
He'd give terrible lectures vs. my virology and genetics adviser of old if she wasn't failing you for academic fraud and plagiarism ;D.
Anyway, shots are mono-spikes vs poly-spikes the unvax healthy immune system experiences. Hence, you'll need fucboi vaccines for a long time to catch the variant while the unvax are well equipped to fight a variable infection. unfortunately, the fucboi vaccines are pushing (or housing viroids b/c their antibodies weren't trained properly by the fucboi, half-cooked compounds (they aren't vaccines)) abnormal variants which will stress even the strongest systems. you go from asymptomatic to expressing illness but still survive.
Where is Howard White?
One is the "GOAT" of Getbig.
Do not even want to get into side effects 4 years and beyond. All I have to say is my eumelanin kinfolk lookout.
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The common thread I notice among all the arguments in favor of restrictions and vaccines is that they’re predicated on trusting the government. Which is ridiculous considering governments are made up primarily of politicians.
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So I tested positive for Covid a week ago. My daughter brought it home from school I think. I started taking ivermectin immediately. Never really got any symptoms. No cough or headache or shortness of breath. A little congestion but that's about it. The weird thing is, when I tell people I tested positive, their first comment is, "you should go get vaccinated". Why would I do that? My whole point on not getting vaccinated was that I'm 38 and in good shape with a good diet and that I think my immune system wouldn't have trouble beating covid. I was 100% correct.
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The common thread I notice among all the arguments in favor of restrictions and vaccines is that they’re predicated on trusting the government. Which is ridiculous considering governments are made up primarily of politicians.
Well....
I asked my doctor when he though this pandemic would end......
He said...
How would I know...... I'm not a politician
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Why don't the Amish get COVID?
No TV
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The common thread I notice among all the arguments in favor of restrictions and vaccines is that they’re predicated on trusting the government. Which is ridiculous considering governments are made up primarily of politicians.
Yes, exactly. Trust the government.........never mind that they've been wrong so many times through this whole thing.
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'This Ends The Debate' - Israeli Study Shows Natural Immunity 13x More Effective Than Vaccines At Stopping Delta
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/ends-debate-israeli-study-shows-natural-immunity-13x-more-effective-vaccines-stopping
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Employers are telling employees that they'll be fired of they don't get the vax and, afaik, legislation is moving forward targeted at aged care workers. I consider that a different kettle of sinister fish since it's government intervention into private industry.
That's happening here in the USA in certain industries. I have family members (my brother) who is a physician and unless he takes the vaccine, he will be terminated from his hospital of work, where he has served for over 27 years.
Interestingly, although you're perceiving Australian measures as draconian, I'm predicting the institution of such based on what I see from other parts of the world, such as the French passport legislation and Biden's recent admonition, in the wake of FDA approval, for businesses to ban unvaxed customers.
Oh, our government is draconian as well, just not at the point yet where kids are being pulled out of the arms of parents for forceful vaccinations.
I have covid fatigue and find the shit tier scripted propagandizing too exhausting and pointless to deal with. The media here is hilariously unsophisticated. You'd really get a kick out of it. It's like something from an early 2000s public access channel in the US.
The fatigue has been wearing down on me for over a year now. The media is not pathetic here in production capacity to the point of resembling public access channels, on the contrary it's a visually stunning production with anchors that are attractive and able to pronounce words and piece together sophisticated phrases (albeit while reading from the prompter). Sadly, they are all mostly regurgitating the same message as dictated by their masters (whomever they may be).
It's going to be a real ugly next 12 months.
That's what I fear. Who knows where we will end up.
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wooooooooooooooshhhhhhhh hhhhhh
The New Jersey man who is charged with killing two men Saturday night at a Bedford hotel was released from prison early as part of that state's effort to reduce the spread of COVID-19.
https://news.yahoo.com/nj-man-charged-bedford-double-080400457.html?guccounter=1
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Yes they took several thousand 16 year olds into a vaccination hub and vaccinated them while their parents were not allowed inside. They told the parents that they couldn’t come inside because they didn’t want too many people in there because of the risk of Covid. The children were coerced into getting the vaccine to complete their HSC which is exams that they take for their grade in school. They are going to do the same to the 12-15 year olds soon. They said that they will begin vaccinating them in school. I don’t have school aged children as they are grown but if I did, I would withdraw them from school and home school. I don’t think the parents will need to give consent. The kids can give consent without them… that’s what they’ve said. I think they are the most evil monsters imaginable and it fills me with absolute rage thinking about it.
That is the most scary shit I have ever heard. I am so sorry that you are being exposed to this. I am even more appalled by the fact that mainstream media is tucking this away and not sharing this with the rest of us. I need to find more independent media outlets. Thank you very much hun for sharing this with me. Again, I am very sorry that you are experiencing this. Feel free to reach out to me any time if you want to talk.
The last few weeks I have been struggling mentally to get my head around with what’s happening in my country. The protests here are very peaceful. You won’t see people smashing stores etc like the protests in the USA last year. The people are getting more and angry and waking up to this tyranny especially since many are losing their businesses and struggling to feed their families. The most recent protests did get quite violent because police began firing rubber bullets at people including children. The police and army believe that protesters are breaking the law. Basically under the health order you aren’t allowed to protest.
Testing camps might be what we called testing hubs. They test over a hundred thousand people a day everyday. What they are building is quarantine facilities. Which makes me wonder why we will need them next year if they are going to try to live with Covid. They must plan to still quarantine travellers on arrival.
It almost feels as if we are slowly approaching a dystopian version of society. Doesn't it feel like we are at the cusp of a massive paradigm shift with regards to everything we do and know as "normal"?
All of these things have made me want to truly just pack all of my shit, move down south to one of the states like Florida or Texas and buy property that sits on 2-3 acres of land to inhabit and invite other close family/friends to construct their homes within the acreage. Just live in a setting like this for a few years, allow for the dust to settle and then slowly reintegrate. I know it sounds grim as fuck, but New York City is becoming too damn stressful.
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At no point will anyone admit to the vaccine looking maybe kinda shitty. Delta infects them and still no one says hey this seems kinda shitty, lol. "More protected than u!!" Cope harder. It's getting around the shot, each succeeding mutation will be worse, and I still say this is a recipe for ADE.
Every problem will be blamed on the unvaxinated. The more sideways shit goes, the harder the blame will fall. That writing is bold on the wall. If you can, I'd seriously consider "getting the shot."
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So I tested positive for Covid a week ago. My daughter brought it home from school I think. I started taking ivermectin immediately. Never really got any symptoms. No cough or headache or shortness of breath. A little congestion but that's about it. The weird thing is, when I tell people I tested positive, their first comment is, "you should go get vaccinated". Why would I do that? My whole point on not getting vaccinated was that I'm 38 and in good shape with a good diet and that I think my immune system wouldn't have trouble beating covid. I was 100% correct.
Where did you obtain ivernectin?
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So I tested positive for Covid a week ago. My daughter brought it home from school I think. I started taking ivermectin immediately. Never really got any symptoms. No cough or headache or shortness of breath. A little congestion but that's about it. The weird thing is, when I tell people I tested positive, their first comment is, "you should go get vaccinated". Why would I do that? My whole point on not getting vaccinated was that I'm 38 and in good shape with a good diet and that I think my immune system wouldn't have trouble beating covid. I was 100% correct.
So you thought your immune system wouldn't have trouble beating covid.. Why then would you bother taking ivermectin?
You're barely any better than those people telling you to now get vaccinated. Just another scared and confused idiot ::)
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wooooooooooooooshhhhhhhhhhhhhh
The New Jersey man who is charged with killing two men Saturday night at a Bedford hotel was released from prison early as part of that state's effort to reduce the spread of COVID-19.
https://news.yahoo.com/nj-man-charged-bedford-double-080400457.html?guccounter=1
Saw that. "Lets release our prison "residents" to keep them safe, while they go out and murder (w/ machete), while suffocating another".
WTF is wrong with the libturd retards (or RINO's) running things these days?
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The actual paper:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full
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Conclusions This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.
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The average Getbigger, including Howard and Prime, probably can't comprehend what real scientists say about vaccines. Geert Vanden Bossche warns us about the folly of widespread vaccinations.
Geert Vanden Bossche
Education:
Ghent University
Degree NameDoctor of Medicine (M.D.)Field Of Study Veterinary Medicine Grade cum Laude
Dates attended or expected graduation 1980 – 1983
https://www.linkedin.com/in/geertvandenbossche/
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Geert Vanden Bossche
Education:
Ghent University
Degree NameDoctor of Medicine (M.D.)Field Of Study Veterinary Medicine Grade cum Laude
Dates attended or expected graduation1980 – 1983
https://www.linkedin.com/in/geertvandenbossche/
Geert is world renowned, has a PhD in Virology and has worked on R&D for GSK, Novartis et al. He headed research for WHO and GAVI, data of which contributed to papers published in The Lancet.
So, try again... you wormy little queer
:D
Geert Vanden Bossche (DVM, PhD)
Geert Vanden Bossche received his DVM from the University of Ghent, Belgium, and his PhD degree in Virology from the University of Hohenheim, Germany. He held adjunct faculty appointments at universities in Belgium and Germany. After his career in Academia, Geert joined several vaccine companies (GSK Biologicals, Novartis Vaccines, Solvay Biologicals) to serve various roles in vaccine R&D as well as in late vaccine development. Geert then moved on to join the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s Global Health Discovery team in Seattle (USA) as Senior Program Officer; he then worked with the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI) in Geneva as Senior Ebola Program Manager. At GAVI he tracked efforts to develop an Ebola vaccine. He also represented GAVI in fora with other partners, including WHO, to review progress on the fight against Ebola and to build plans for global pandemic preparedness. Back in 2015, Geert scrutinized and questioned the safety of the Ebola vaccine that was used in ring vaccination trials conducted by WHO in Guinea. His critical scientific analysis and report on the data published by WHO in the Lancet in 2015 was sent to all international health and regulatory authorities involved in the Ebola vaccination program. After working for GAVI, Geert joined the German Center for Infection Research in Cologne as Head of the Vaccine Development Office. He is at present primarily serving as a Biotech/ Vaccine consultant while also conducting his own research on Natural Killer cell-based vaccines./quote]
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Geert is a world renowned, has a PhD in Virology and has worked on R&D for GSK, Novartis et al. He headed research for WHO and GAVI, data of which contributed to papers published in The Lancet.
So, try again... you wormy little queer
:D
Geert Vanden Bossche (DVM, PhD)
Geert Vanden Bossche received his DVM from the University of Ghent, Belgium, and his PhD degree in Virology from the University of Hohenheim, Germany. He held adjunct faculty appointments at universities in Belgium and Germany. After his career in Academia, Geert joined several vaccine companies (GSK Biologicals, Novartis Vaccines, Solvay Biologicals) to serve various roles in vaccine R&D as well as in late vaccine development. Geert then moved on to join the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s Global Health Discovery team in Seattle (USA) as Senior Program Officer; he then worked with the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI) in Geneva as Senior Ebola Program Manager. At GAVI he tracked efforts to develop an Ebola vaccine. He also represented GAVI in fora with other partners, including WHO, to review progress on the fight against Ebola and to build plans for global pandemic preparedness. Back in 2015, Geert scrutinized and questioned the safety of the Ebola vaccine that was used in ring vaccination trials conducted by WHO in Guinea. His critical scientific analysis and report on the data published by WHO in the Lancet in 2015 was sent to all international health and regulatory authorities involved in the Ebola vaccination program. After working for GAVI, Geert joined the German Center for Infection Research in Cologne as Head of the Vaccine Development Office. He is at present primarily serving as a Biotech/ Vaccine consultant while also conducting his own research on Natural Killer cell-based vaccines./quote]
That's all good, but he is still a veterinarian (DVM).
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That's all good, but he is still a veterinarian (DVM).
Are you questioning his credentials as a virologist?
Are you denying you were implying he was not a virologist and merely a vet?
Be gone with your filibuster, oh demented, dick devouring faggot
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That's all good, but he is still a veterinarian (DVM).
And youre at deaths door. Ok, now fuck off homo!
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Here in the uk daily cases are continuously 30 thousand plus per day, this time last year i believe it really calmed down during the summer. Seems to me the vaccinated are clearly passing covid on silently, secretly sick while carrying the same viral load as an unvaccinated person which is ridiculous.
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Are you questioning his credentials as a virologist?
Are you denying you were implying he was not a virologist and merely a vet?
Be gone with your filibuster, oh demented, dick devouring faggot
8) 8) ;D
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So you thought your immune system wouldn't have trouble beating covid.. Why then would you bother taking ivermectin?
You're barely any better than those people telling you to now get vaccinated. Just another scared and confused idiot ::)
Why wouldn't I take a safe, cheap drug that could shorten the duration of my sickness and lessen my symptoms? You think I should be like other people and just sit home and hope I don't get really sick? That sounds pretty fucking stupid to me. I've had this plan forever. My contention is there are early treatments people can do that lessen the chance of hospitalization. I enacted my plan and it worked. You ever have a plan that worked?
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Why wouldn't I take a safe, cheap drug that could shorten the duration of my sickness and lessen my symptoms? You think I should be like other people and just sit home and hope I don't get really sick? That sounds pretty fucking stupid to me. I've had this plan forever. My contention is there are early treatments people can do that lessen the chance of hospitalization. I enacted my plan and it worked. You ever have a plan that worked?
its a great de-wormer, but make sure to get your sperm checked if you want kids.
On another note, faggots should use it several times per year.
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Why wouldn't I take a safe, cheap drug that could shorten the duration of my sickness and lessen my symptoms? You think I should be like other people and just sit home and hope I don't get really sick? That sounds pretty fucking stupid to me. I've had this plan forever. My contention is there are early treatments people can do that lessen the chance of hospitalization. I enacted my plan and it worked. You ever have a plan that worked?
Bk,
Where do you get ivermectin?
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Where did you obtain ivernectin?
You can use https://speakwithanmd.com/americasfrontlinedoctors/ to get a script in the US or you can buy from an Indian pharmacy. Just takes a long time to have stuff come from India.
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its a great de-wormer, but make sure to get your sperm checked if you want kids.
On another note, faggots should use it several times per year.
I already have kids and you seem to know jackshit covid treatment options. Keep watching the news and thinking you're "informed".
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I already have kids and you seem to know jackshit covid treatment options. Keep watching the news and thinking you're "informed".
calm down Gloria
I'm significantly more intelligent than you
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calm down Gloria
I'm significantly more intelligent than you
Yeah, I'm sure you have a lot to show for it. A troll account on a bodybuilding gossip board. You must be the picture of success.
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Yeah, I'm sure you have a lot to show for it. A troll account on a bodybuilding gossip board. You must be the picture of success.
(https://s2.qwant.com/thumbr/0x380/f/8/e123ee292e7b084f9a3c441b694508d40af8e5ba453d97f7431f119667cc28/troll-web.jpg?u=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-1d7UMILa2Z4%2FTqRbB2FnA5I%2FAAAAAAAABnE%2FGREm5QRn5dA%2Fs1600%2Ftroll-web.jpg&q=0&b=1&p=0&a=0)
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"This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity."
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
I also read this in a different thread and posted a response to it on Getbig. That this nonsense article has already been reposted on Getbig is good example how misinformation is spread, don't you agree. It's like if I tell you a lie enough times you will believe it to be true. See below.
Why are you calling this study a nonsense article and a lie? Is it because its conclusion doesn't support your narrative, or is it because you don't like Jews?
This is a study recently conducted by scientists in Israel. Israel is one of the most highly COVID-19–vaccinated countries in the world.
Israel vaccinated its population almost exclusively with the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, which remains the gold standard for the prevention of severe illness due to the coronavirus.
They examined medical records of tens of thousands of Israelis, charting their infections, symptoms, and hospitalizations between 1 June and 14 August, when the Delta variant predominated in Israel. It’s the largest real-world observational study so far to compare natural and vaccine-induced immunity to SARS-CoV-2.
The conclusion of this study isn't much different from that of other recent studies and reports on vaccine efficacy and natural immunity:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03696-9
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34331873/
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ultra-vaxxed-israel-debacle-dire-073840050.html
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.455491v1
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e4.htm?s_cid=mm7034e4_w
That this nonsense article has already been reposted on Getbig is good example how misinformation is spread
These are what I call good examples of how misinformation is spread:
"You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations."
Biden makes false claims about Covid-19
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/politics/fact-check-biden-cnn-town-hall-july/index.html
At the town hall, CNN presenter Don Lemon asked the president whether he believes COVID is in retreat.
The president said there is a pandemic for those who are not vaccinated against COVID. He went on to claim: "If you're vaccinated, you're not going to be hospitalized, you're not going to be in an ICU unit, and you are not going to die."
Did Joe Biden Spread Misinformation on COVID Vaccines?
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-joe-biden-spread-misinformation-covid-vaccines-1612181
(https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/1718370/fact-check-true.webp?w=250&f=108068700c7f26dcdea7744d162dce9f)
Fauci tells 60 Minutes: "There's no reason to be walking around with a mask."
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Why are you calling this study a nonsense article and a lie? Is it because its conclusion doesn't support your.... snip
Prime is undoubtedly a gay fella, probably thinks AIDS is caused by HIV rather than as result of spending too many evenings swallowing yards of shit stained cock and drinking gallons of vile piss
:-X
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You can use https://speakwithanmd.com/americasfrontlinedoctors/ to get a script in the US or you can buy from an Indian pharmacy. Just takes a long time to have stuff come from India.
Thanks!
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Why wouldn't I take a safe, cheap drug that could shorten the duration of my sickness and lessen my symptoms? You think I should be like other people and just sit home and hope I don't get really sick? That sounds pretty fucking stupid to me. I've had this plan forever. My contention is there are early treatments people can do that lessen the chance of hospitalization. I enacted my plan and it worked. You ever have a plan that worked?
Yes. I saw the early data for covid, saw it was no risk to myself and carried on living my life.
You decided to take an anti parasitic agent for a virus based on dubious evidence at best. If you wasn't so terrified you'd have noticed healthy people have very little in the way of issues with the virus. Instead you go searching for borderline quack therapeutics.
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You can use https://speakwithanmd.com/americasfrontlinedoctors/ to get a script in the US or you can buy from an Indian pharmacy. Just takes a long time to have stuff come from India.
One of those americasfrontlinedoctors is on the record as saying "ovarian cysts came from sex with demons". Another was stupid enough to get herself caught at the Capitol Riot.
Never go full retard people!
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Thanks!
No problem. I took it with 220 mg zinc sulfate, 5000 iu vitamin D, 3000mg vitamin c and my usual multi vitamin and multi mineral.
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Yes. I saw the early data for covid, saw it was no risk to myself and carried on living my life.
You decided to take an anti parasitic agent for a virus based on dubious evidence at best. If you wasn't so terrified you'd have noticed healthy people have very little in the way of issues with the virus. Instead you go searching for borderline quack therapeutics.
I took a medication that's on the WHO's list of essential medications. It's been used in humans for 40 years. I'm terrified? I've lived my life this entire pandemic as if everything was normal. You really need to get a life. You seem to just come on here and try to attack people to vent your frustration on the small small life you've created for yourself.
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I took a medication that's on the WHO's list of essential medications. It's been used in humans for 40 years. I'm terrified? I've lived my life this entire pandemic as if everything was normal. You really need to get a life. You seem to just come on here and try to attack people to vent your frustration on the small small life you've created for yourself.
I'm sorry for hurting your feelings.
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Here in the uk daily cases are continuously 30 thousand plus per day, this time last year i believe it really calmed down during the summer. Seems to me the vaccinated are clearly passing covid on silently, secretly sick while carrying the same viral load as an unvaccinated person which is ridiculous.
Either that or the tests are shit.
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Its now all about the vaccinated trying to validate their actions. The vaccine is a therapeutic, and a garbage one at that.
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That's all good, but he is still a veterinarian (DVM).
And so is Pzifer's CEO who won't take his own shot but will give it to you and Zoo animals. I wonder if the efficacy is holding up at the San Diego Zoo. Make sense of all of this is.
New Zealand reports first death linked to Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine
WELLINGTON, Aug 30 (Reuters) - New Zealand on Monday reported what authorities said was the country's first recorded death linked to the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine.
The information was released by the health ministry following a review by an independent COVID-19 vaccine safety monitoring board of the death of a woman after receiving the vaccine. The ministry's statement did not give the woman's age.
1st woman in NZ or worldwide? ::)
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'This Ends The Debate' - Israeli Study Shows Natural Immunity 13x More Effective Than Vaccines At Stopping Delta
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/ends-debate-israeli-study-shows-natural-immunity-13x-more-effective-vaccines-stopping
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The shots don't protect you from contracting covie so they come up with new BS. Now, it's a backup plan for the natural immune system. HTF is that if it has lower efficacy and can't recognize variations like the natural immune system. This is madness!
Antibodies Waning? The Immune System Has a Backup Plan For That
The team noted that antibodies gradually ebbed, but that the shots generated durable immune memory to SARS-CoV-2 in the form of B and T cells that increased over time to help ward off serious illness.
Is this guy lying? Are they lying in the United Kingdom and Israel?
They are hell-bent on giving you a shot one way or another.
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Yeah, I'm sure you have a lot to show for it. A troll account on a bodybuilding gossip board. You must be the picture of success.
;D ;D ;D
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Why are you calling this study a nonsense article and a lie? Is it because its conclusion doesn't support your narrative, or is it because you don't like Jews?
This is a study recently conducted by scientists in Israel. Israel is one of the most highly COVID-19–vaccinated countries in the world.
Israel vaccinated its population almost exclusively with the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, which remains the gold standard for the prevention of severe illness due to the coronavirus.
They examined medical records of tens of thousands of Israelis, charting their infections, symptoms, and hospitalizations between 1 June and 14 August, when the Delta variant predominated in Israel. It’s the largest real-world observational study so far to compare natural and vaccine-induced immunity to SARS-CoV-2.
The conclusion of this study isn't much different from that of other recent studies and reports on vaccine efficacy and natural immunity:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03696-9
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34331873/
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ultra-vaxxed-israel-debacle-dire-073840050.html
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.455491v1
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e4.htm?s_cid=mm7034e4_w
These are what I call good examples of how misinformation is spread:
"You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations."
Biden makes false claims about Covid-19
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/politics/fact-check-biden-cnn-town-hall-july/index.html
At the town hall, CNN presenter Don Lemon asked the president whether he believes COVID is in retreat.
The president said there is a pandemic for those who are not vaccinated against COVID. He went on to claim: "If you're vaccinated, you're not going to be hospitalized, you're not going to be in an ICU unit, and you are not going to die."
Did Joe Biden Spread Misinformation on COVID Vaccines?
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-joe-biden-spread-misinformation-covid-vaccines-1612181
(https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/1718370/fact-check-true.webp?w=250&f=108068700c7f26dcdea7744d162dce9f)
Fauci tells 60 Minutes: "There's no reason to be walking around with a mask."
Because I believe that is what it is. You believe otherwise. Suggesting that I am anti-Semitic is such a total laugh and could not be further from the truth.
A better question is, why am I wasting my time discussing this with COVID antivaxxers who are neither friends or family. When in truth. I don't give a rip whether they get vaccinated or not. The people who are important to me in real life are rationale and intelligent and therefore vaccinated, wear masks and social distance where advised. If you think this is wrong, so be it. It is not like those of us who do these things pose a threat to those of you who don't.
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Because I believe that is what it is. You believe otherwise. Suggesting that I am anti-Semitic is such a total laugh and could not be further from the truth.
Because you "believe" that is what it is? I see. So you don't believe in science.
I haven't posted what I believe. I have posted scientific studies.
I suggested you don't like Jews because you falsely accused the good Israeli scientists and MDs of lying and then you called their work nonsense. Those are serious accusations.
A better question is, why am I wasting my time discussing this with COVID antivaxxers who are neither friends or family. When in truth. I don't give a rip whether they get vaccinated or not. The people who are important to me in real life are rationale and intelligent and therefore vaccinated, wear masks and social distance where advised. If you think this is wrong, so be it. It is not like those of us who do these things pose a threat to those of you who don't.
Now you are falsely accusing me of being a COVID antivaxxer. Why are you so quick to prejudge people? Show one post where I have said I'm not vaccinated, or that I won't get vaccinated, or where I've told people not to get vaccinated.
You falsely accused me of spreading misinformation too, but you give Joe Biden and Fauci a pass when they are the ones who have spread misinformation.
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Pretty interesting that the times would print an article like this.
“You don’t read the Pravda for the news, but for the party line.”
August 30, 2021
Author Headshot
By David Leonhardt
Good morning. Vaccine immunity may not really be waning much — which means universal booster shots may do little good.
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(https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2021/08/vaccine-required-meme.jpg)
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The George Bush Jr of the Ivory League medical community. You're late, you little half-man. Already posted Poly (natural infection) vs Mono (fucboi experimental compound shot)! Any 3000/4000 level virology book will debunk this bullshit. Sick joke people are strapped in and can't get it. Like a getbigger said, just carry an IV bag b/c that's the path we are headed down. Mono shots 3 and 4 are on the way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvRF4HrXHaA&ab_channel=TheHill (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvRF4HrXHaA&ab_channel=TheHill)
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(https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2021/08/vaccine-required-meme.jpg)
lol@scamdemic
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Sick little bish still trying to give these experimental shots to pre-school kids. He should be jailed along with his wife.
Fauci: School Covid-19 vaccine mandates are a 'good idea'
Mandating Covid-19 vaccines for children to attend school in person is a "good idea" due to a strong benefit-risk ratio, Dr. Anthony Fauci said Sunday.
"I believe that mandating vaccines for children to appear in school is a good idea," Fauci told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union."
Fauci acknowledged that there will be a lot of people pushing back on this idea, but said he believes the US Food and Drug Administration as well as the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, which advises the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, will establish a strong benefit-risk ratio for this, especially given that the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine now has full FDA approval.
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Pretty interesting that the times would print an article like this.
“You don’t read the Pravda for the news, but for the party line.”
August 30, 2021
Author Headshot
By David Leonhardt
Good morning. Vaccine immunity may not really be waning much — which means universal booster shots may do little good.
I read this too. It made me chuckle since it was only yesterday that I read about waiting 8 months after your last shot before getting the booster. Everyday there's something new and often times conflicting being published or said by those who are supposedly in-the-know. I've said this before, COVID hasn't been around long enough to have been fully studied. There is lot of guesswork going on. As bad as this is, it is preferable to these people saying nothing at all because that would scare the crap out of a lot people. Silence isn't always golden.
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It's fair to say that the vaccine is less effective against Delta than previous strains. So why? If it's not antibody attenuation then reduced affinity seems a likely explanation.
I don't understand why this would be a tough mystery to crack. I'd think antibody levels would be awfully easy to measure, and there'd be no shortage of volunteers for a study, but whatever.
Does the vax target solely the s2 membrane binding protein subunit? If they chose a hyperspecific portion, and that turns out to be mutable, reduced antibody affinity wouldn't be that surprising.
It's complicated and I haven't put in the time to understand. Still, in light of Delta, I'm questioning whether mutable region targeting was the way to go.
Reduced antibody levels and poor binding are both pathways for ADE, and I've yet to hear how we're not playing with fire. The best explanation I've yet heard is that although it's a possibility, refusing a solution to an existing threat on the basis of a speulative one is wrongheaded. Confess I remained unconvinced by that reasoning since the existing solution looks increasingly lame and the possibility of ADE seems not unlikely.
I think the vaccine's benefit against Delta, which I believe in, is the tail end of the vax honeymoon phase. Imo boosters will have to be tuned for variants. This shit is going to go on and on.
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Again, complicated stuff, but why does natural immunity mount a better defense against variants than vaccination? Is it because your system built defenses against a whole virus rather than a smll fraction of one? Idk.
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It's fair to say that the vaccine is less effective against Delta than previous strains. So why? If it's not antibody attenuation then reduced affinity seems a likely explanation.
I don't understand why this would be a tough mystery to crack. I'd think antibody levels would be awfully easy to measure, and there'd be no shortage of volunteers for a study, but whatever.
Does the vax target solely the s2 membrane binding protein subunit? If they chose a hyperspecific portion, and that turns out to be mutable, reduced antibody affinity wouldn't be that surprising.
It's complicated and I haven't put in the time to understand. Still, in light of Delta, I'm questioning whether mutable region targeting was the way to go.
Reduced antibody levels and poor binding are both pathways for ADE, and I've yet to hear how we're not playing with fire. The best explanation I've yet heard is that although it's a possibility, refusing a solution to an existing threat on the basis of a speulative one is wrongheaded. Confess I remained unconvinced by that reasoning since the existing solution looks increasingly lame and the possibility of ADE seems not unlikely.
I think the vaccine's benefit against Delta, which I believe in, is the tail end of the vax honeymoon phase. Imo boosters will have to be tuned for variants. This shit is going to go on and on.
-Got that right! And the longer it goes on the worse the panic, speculation, misinformation and paranoia will become. 'Fasten your seat belts; it's going to be a bumpy night!'
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-Got that right! And the longer it goes on the worse the panic, speculation, misinformation and paranoia will become. 'Fasten your seat belts; it's going to be a bumpy night!'
Yes, misinformation from your government:
"You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations."
Biden makes false claims about Covid-19
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/politics/fact-check-biden-cnn-town-hall-july/index.html
At the town hall, CNN presenter Don Lemon asked the president whether he believes COVID is in retreat.
The president said there is a pandemic for those who are not vaccinated against COVID. He went on to claim: "If you're vaccinated, you're not going to be hospitalized, you're not going to be in an ICU unit, and you are not going to die."
Did Joe Biden Spread Misinformation on COVID Vaccines?
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-joe-biden-spread-misinformation-covid-vaccines-1612181
(https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/1718370/fact-check-true.webp?w=250&f=108068700c7f26dcdea7744d162dce9f)
Fauci tells 60 Minutes: "There's no reason to be walking around with a mask."
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Snobbish post reported.
Also, there is no correlation there, and it infers unvaccinated people are the opposite, which is not the case.
A rationale and intelligent person who has beaten Covid and has antibodies, could make rationale and intelligent choice not be vaccinated.
I stated an opinion. Last time I checked, we were still allowed to have opinions. You can disagree with it if you want, but your response seems more like an argument than a disagreement.
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Yes, misinformation from your government:
I gather it is not your government. Where do you live?
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I gather it is not your government. Where do you live?
That's on a need to know basis, and you don't need to know.
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That's on a need to know basis, and you don't need to know.
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No problem. I took it with 220 mg zinc sulfate, 5000 iu vitamin D, 3000mg vitamin c and my usual multi vitamin and multi mineral.
V interesting stuff thanks - how long did you keep this up for? Was it for a period you decided in advance, or did you just keep going til you felt 'back to normal'?
And how did you take the C - as drinks or tablets, and presumably split up over the day? So did you front load like 3g am and 2g pm - or last thing at night maybe? (Same question about timing for the D)
Sorry for all the questions(!) :), I'm just very interested in your approach to implementation
Thanks in advance 8)
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Again, complicated stuff, but why does natural immunity mount a better defense against variants than vaccination? Is it because your system built defenses against a whole virus rather than a smll fraction of one? Idk.
The virus is composed of 3 main components, capsid, spikes/tail fibers, and cs. naturally (not lab jimmy-rigged like covid), the cs is variable, as in HIV, while the tail fibers are a constant. covid has a variable cs and spikes. variable spikes are the issue. the fucboi vaccines only produce mono-spikes on a cell so that's what the fucboi vaccinated-created immune system sees. they all know this, esp the pharmacies. a natural immune system engagement vs covid sees poly spikes after P1 replicates. therefore F1, F2, etc have degrees of differentiation. That means the natural immune has already seen precursors to lambda and mu. the science isn't difficult. it's difficult when pharmacy purse strings are involved. prepare for a covid and flu shot yearly if work in healthcare esp : (
They are going to stop a retrovirus. What a magnificent lie like the Tet.
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Former FDA commissioner on Pfizer's board with a pocket full of stocks. ::)
Supposed 2 year trial but 13 month full approval ::)
I had no clue Fauci's wife was with the NIH which is the segway to final approval. ::)
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Bret Weinstein and his wife Heather are excellent sources for covid information. They are evolutionary biologists. I give them 10/10 for integrity.
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-Got that right! And the longer it goes on the worse the panic, speculation, misinformation and paranoia will become. 'Fasten your seat belts; it's going to be a bumpy night!'
The holdouts will hold out with greater zealotry, but only because the squeeze is getting tighter. Pretty much every employer is already threatening staff with termination. Not just health care. My gf's daughter is an office girl for a real estate agent. They told her she'll be fired if she doesn't get it.
I think my own reasons are pretty decent, but I guess everyone would make that claim. Anyway, there's still no virus in Western Australia so I'm content to let information accrue.
I don't talk about the vax irl much. It's just too touchy a subject theae days.
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The holdouts will hold out with greater zealotry, but only because the squeeze is getting tighter. Pretty much every employer is already threatening staff with termination. Not just health care. My gf's daughter is an office girl for a real estate agent. They told her she'll be fired if she doesn't get it.
I think my own reasons are pretty decent, but I guess everyone would make that claim. Anyway, there's still no virus in Western Australia so I'm content to let information accrue.
I don't talk about the vax irl much. It's just too touchy a subject theae days.
I have wanted to go to Western Australia for a few years now to take photos. Amazing scenery there for sure. Present conditions in NSW and closed border to WA means travel there is unlikely for many more months. Australia no longer exists as one nation. Lots of dumbasses controlling things in each state. Most people are sheep because they go along with the restrictions. NSW is now a penal colony. Can't go out of the state and those of us in Greater Sydney can't go anywhere even in NSW. Never thought I would ever live in conditions like Nazi Germany.
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Nazi Germany.
retarded comparison with Hitlers Germany spotted
If you and other faggots had actually listed to him you might not be in this mess now
It wasn't 'the nazis' that were expelled from hundreds of nations over the course of millenia for pulling this shit
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V interesting stuff thanks - how long did you keep this up for? Was it for a period you decided in advance, or did you just keep going til you felt 'back to normal'?
And how did you take the C - as drinks or tablets, and presumably split up over the day? So did you front load like 3g am and 2g pm - or last thing at night maybe? (Same question about timing for the D)
Sorry for all the questions(!) :), I'm just very interested in your approach to implementation
Thanks in advance 8)
I actually took the ivermectin for 8 days. I started it when my wife tested positive which was a few days before I tested positive. I took 18mg of it split up in two doses. Like a 12mg pill in the morning on an empty stomach and a 6mg pill at night. I took the 220 mg of zinc sulfate, 5000 D and 1000 C with my breakfast. I usually did a gram of Vitamin C with breakfast, lunch and dinner. I stopped taking the ivermectin but stayed on the rest of the vitamins. I don't know how much it all helped, but I never had bad symptoms. Never even had a bad night of sleep. I live in S. FL so most of my friends have had covid. I had the mildest Illness by far. Again, I don't know if I just have a better immune system or if the ivermectin helped. All I know is a 30 year old friend of mine ended up in the hospital last week for covid. As he was going doing hill, all his Dr. would tell him is to "drink more fluids". Total joke. I personally think there are safe, early protocols that can help your body fight covid but we keep getting told it's not true. Just go home and let the virus rage in your body and hope you don't have to go to the emergency room. I think that's a terrible strategy.
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COVID-19 is obviously real, I'm a spastic
down syndrome thumbs up fella
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SexyCustomSynthesis250 is latest gimmick.
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For a while the supermarkets in my area said that fully vaccinated customers were welcome to shop without a mask then they changed it to recommending that people wear masks. Is this not a tacit admission that we’ve been sold a bill of goods on the effectiveness of these vaccines and what they actually do?
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For a while the supermarkets in my area said that fully vaccinated customers were welcome to shop without a mask then they changed it to recommending that people wear masks. Is this not a tacit admission that we’ve been sold a bill of goods on the effectiveness of these vaccines and what they actually do?
did you ever Google the following:
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did you ever Google the following:
WO2020060606
Gates is evil.
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The holdouts will hold out with greater zealotry, but only because the squeeze is getting tighter. Pretty much every employer is already threatening staff with termination. Not just health care. My gf's daughter is an office girl for a real estate agent. They told her she'll be fired if she doesn't get it.
I think my own reasons are pretty decent, but I guess everyone would make that claim. Anyway, there's still no virus in Western Australia so I'm content to let information accrue.
I don't talk about the vax irl much. It's just too touchy a subject theae days.
Good idea. I probably helps to kind of ignore it in Western Australia which has remained virus free. When something isn't happening close to home, it is harder to take it seriously. It is almost like it isn't real. Maybe that's the same with individuals. I neither you nor someone close to you is getting sick, it is easier to put it out of your mind. Notice the few who post here and how in some cases their perspective completely changes once they have COVID....specially if they get fairly sick with it.
Here in Oregon, COVID Delta has been something of a game changer. Oregon was doing relatively well in terms of number of cases of COVID as compared to a lot of other states. Now with Delta, hospital ICU's are full up. Medical personnel from the National Guard are helping out in hospitals. A couple of funeral homes in smaller towns have ordered refrigerated trucks because they are out of space to store dead bodies. A least people aren't laying around dead in the streets from COVID yet. I'm not surprised when I go out that there doesn't seem to be anyone who not wearing a mask. They would likely be asked to leave if they were in a retail setting.
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Gates is evil.
It takes five minutes to boot up a Microsoft PC but this guy has the answer for every problem in the world.
I don’t know if it’s still on YouTube, but there was an interview with Steve Jobs where he rips into Microsoft saying that they make third rate products and that the company had no culture.
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It takes five minutes to boot up a Microsoft PC but this guy has the answer for every problem in the world.
I don’t know if it’s still on YouTube, but there was an interview with Steve Jobs where he rips into Microsoft saying that they make third rate products and that the company had no culture.
He cornered the market early on and that's why his shitty computers are so popular.
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Good idea. I probably helps to kind of ignore it in Western Australia which has remained virus free. When something isn't happening close to home, it is harder to take it seriously. It is almost like it isn't real. Maybe that's the same with individuals. I neither you nor someone close to you is getting sick, it is easier to put it out of your mind. Notice the few who post here and how in some cases their perspective completely changes once they have COVID....specially if they get fairly sick with it.
Here in Oregon, COVID Delta has been something of a game changer. Oregon was doing relatively well in terms of number of cases of COVID as compared to a lot of other states. Now with Delta, hospital ICU's are full up. Medical personnel from the National Guard are helping out in hospitals. A couple of funeral homes in smaller towns have ordered refrigerated trucks because they are out of space to store dead bodies. A least people aren't laying around dead in the streets from COVID yet. I'm not surprised when I go out that there doesn't seem to be anyone who not wearing a mask. They would likely be asked to leave if they were in a retail setting.
post evidence of these 'full hospitals'... verifiable video of wards brimming with COVID patients.
That wasn't true last year, and isn't this year.
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Gates is evil.
its hilarious the sheer number of numbfucks that think they're experts regarding COVID-19 (and more so the ramifications for this post COVID world) that have no idea how the digital passport will work, much less the evil assclown behind it.
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I have wanted to go to Western Australia for a few years now to take photos. Amazing scenery there for sure. Present conditions in NSW and closed border to WA means travel there is unlikely for many more months. Australia no longer exists as one nation. Lots of dumbasses controlling things in each state. Most people are sheep because they go along with the restrictions. NSW is now a penal colony. Can't go out of the state and those of us in Greater Sydney can't go anywhere even in NSW. Never thought I would ever live in conditions like Nazi Germany.
Are you leading the life of an 'outlaw'?
I assume this means you are not one of the 'sheep' and so you consistently violate the restrictions by doing things such as going out after curfew, travel out of state or beyond whatever distance has been imposed in your area; invite hoards of folks over for a party at your home, both indoors and out; go to auctions; attend weddings and funerals; Go to church on a regular basis to pray you don't get caught, etc. (etc. includes dozens of other restrictions currently in place in Sydney).
Here in Oregon, there are a lot of us 'sheep' who have been vaccinated and wear masks. Apparently, there are enough of us so that the state hasn't completely shut down like Sydney has. We can still eat out, go to the gym, visit with friends and most of the other things Folks cannot do. Of course, there is always the chance that us sheep will get sick and die from the vaccine or suffocate while wearing a mask. And then the rebels can take over. ;D
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Are you leading the life of an 'outlaw'?
I assume this means you are not one of the 'sheep' and so you consistently violate the restrictions by doing things such as going out after curfew, travel out of state or beyond whatever distance has been imposed in your area; invite hoards of folks over for a party at your home, both indoors and out; go to auctions; attend weddings and funerals; Go to church on a regular basis to pray you don't get caught, etc. (etc. includes dozens of other restrictions currently in place in Sydney).
Here in Oregon, there are a lot of us 'sheep' who have been vaccinated and wear masks. Apparently, there are enough of us so that the state hasn't completely shut down like Sydney has. We can still eat out, go to the gym, visit with friends and most of the other things Folks cannot do. Of course, there is always the chance that us sheep will get sick and die from the vaccine or suffocate while wearing a mask. And then the rebels can take over. ;D
Moderna are about to launch a HIV vaccine.
Will you be telling unvaccinated homos to stay at home or live in a restricted parralel society until they're vaccinated against HIV
Cunt
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post evidence of these 'full hospitals'... verifiable video of wards brimming with COVID patients.
That wasn't true last year, and isn't this year.
Do you live in Oregon?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/oregon-covid-19-patients-hospital-icu/
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/oregon/articles/2021-08-28/oregon-counties-request-trucks-for-bodies-as-deaths-climb
Note: No doubt you will say these videos are fake media hype designed to make us sheep think there's a problem when none exists. I would have posted videos I personally took using my cell phone, but visitors aren't allowed in ICU at this time. If they were, I still wouldn't have gone to the hospital to prove a point to a troll, such as you.
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Someone here pointed out that a big part of this is the restriction of travel. This does seem to be the case particularly air travel between countries. Did they really need to ban fans completely from the Olympics?
It’s pretty weird considering that most of the big EU countries, France, Italy and Spain, rely heavily on tourism.
Transatlantic corridor in doubt as EU recommends US travel curbs
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/covid-travel-news-live-us-uk-europe-holidays-airports-tests/
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post evidence of these 'full hospitals'... verifiable video of wards brimming with COVID patients.
That wasn't true last year, and isn't this year.
Largest hospitals in Boston were empty, little to no RONA patients. 2 Nurses from Dana Farber and Mass General who came to care for my Bro-Inlaw in-home Hospice said it was a joke.
They were here on separate days when we discussed it and didnt know each other, so it wasnt "planned" to tell people that.
Prime posts video's from a Libturd site, I heard it first-hand from employees.
One of our family friends who also is a nurse (Lawrence General) said the same thing... Empty...
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Largest hospitals in Boston were empty, little to no RONA patients. 2 Nurses from Dana Farber and Mass General who came to care for my Bro-Inlaw in-home Hospice said it was a joke.
They were here on separate days when we discussed it and didnt know each other, so it wasnt "planned" to tell people that.
Prime posts video's from a Libturd site, I heard it first-hand from employees.
One of our family friends who also is a nurse (Lawrence General) said the same thing... Empty...
Each state has it's own hospital tracking website.
My state is at 72% ICU capacity. Normal for this time of year is 78%. ~20% are Covid "related".
When broken down by County. My County is at 47%, normal is 55%. ~12% are Covid "related"
You might have to search pretty hard to find it, but all states have current and historical data. They use it for funding.
They used to track the use of ventilators too, but stopped in March for some reason.
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Do you live in Oregon?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/oregon-covid-19-patients-hospital-icu/
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/oregon/articles/2021-08-28/oregon-counties-request-trucks-for-bodies-as-deaths-climb
Note: No doubt you will say these videos are fake media hype designed to make us sheep think there's a problem when none exists. I would have posted videos I personally took using my cell phone, but visitors aren't allowed in ICU at this time. If they were, I still wouldn't have gone to the hospital to prove a point to a troll, such as you.
fuck off queer
Irrespective of the intention of that video production it shows nothing but talking heads making statements, with no verifiable ward, much less one brimming with covid patients
I appreciate you're fucking senile, so let me help you out...
Last year, tens of thousands of people around the world partook in the #filmyouremptyhospitals hashtag campaign on twitter. They filmed countless empty hospitals around the world. Many were arrested and imprisoned as a result. Its a hoax.
Why don't you get off your wormy ass and film your obviously fucking full hospital?
It was a rhetorical question.
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Largest hospitals in Boston were empty, little to no RONA patients. 2 Nurses from Dana Farber and Mass General who came to care for my Bro-Inlaw in-home Hospice said it was a joke.
They were here on separate days when we discussed it and didnt know each other, so it wasnt "planned" to tell people that.
Prime posts video's from a Libturd site, I heard it first-hand from employees.
One of our family friends who also is a nurse (Lawrence General) said the same thing... Empty...
You are talking about hospitals in Boston. When did this happen? December 2020?. The videos I posted were taken at hospitals in Oregon and they are current. Look at the dates on the videos. A libturd cite? So local Oregon news NBC (KGW) and CBS are libturd? I'd ask you if you lived in Oregon, but clearly you don't.
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Largest hospitals in Boston were empty, little to no RONA patients. 2 Nurses from Dana Farber and Mass General who came to care for my Bro-Inlaw in-home Hospice said it was a joke.
They were here on separate days when we discussed it and didnt know each other, so it wasnt "planned" to tell people that.
Prime posts video's from a Libturd site, I heard it first-hand from employees.
One of our family friends who also is a nurse (Lawrence General) said the same thing... Empty...
Exactly
After the #filmyouremptyhospitals hashtag on twitter im surprised these media cunts have the bare faced balls to continue with the bullshit about full hospitals
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You are talking about hospitals in Boston. When did this happen? December 2020?. The videos I posted were taken at hospitals in Oregon and they are current. Look at the dates on the videos. A libturd cite? So local Oregon news NBC (KGW) and CBS are libturd? I'd ask you if you lived in Oregon, but clearly you don't.
get off the pot, gramps
The entire "full hospitals" narrative fell apart last year when folks could film inside without being arrested. Then once thousands of videos surfaced from around the fucking world, it became clear it was a hoax and the gov started going after the filmmakers.
Tell us, when were the hundreds/thousands of extra beds in sports stadiums or temporary nightingale hospitals used? Never, that's when, which is odd given the claim about over burdened hospitals you and other faggits make
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You are talking about hospitals in Boston. When did this happen? December 2020?. The videos I posted were taken at hospitals in Oregon and they are current. Look at the dates on the videos. A libturd cite? So local Oregon news NBC (KGW) and CBS are libturd? I'd ask you if you lived in Oregon, but clearly you don't.
Duh, yes. Every network affiliate reads off the same shit script. i thought you knew all sorts of stuff, lol. You can even "google" it.
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The only time with the hospitals really got hit was at the beginning of the pandemic when the fear and hysteria was so great that everybody with a scratchy throat showed up at the ER.
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Take note that SexyCustomSynthesis250 is posting information that is stale dated and has nothing to do with Oregon hospitals today. No only that this troll is asking rhetorical questions about issues that were previously explained. Oh and of course the Troll can not have a conversation about this without resorting to irrelevant insults and name calling. Carry on troll.
I forgot to take my own advice to not feed the trolls. My bad.
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Maybe prime is a paid Democratic troll? I mean, he has all the signs of being one, haha.
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Duh, yes. Every network affiliate reads off the same shit script. i thought you knew all sorts of stuff, lol. You can even "google" it.
And I suppose next you'll say the folks being interviewed and those who lying in hospital beds in the ICU hooked up all kinds of hospital equipment are "actors". Hey, whatever narrative supports your forgone conclusions is fine. I am not interested in changing your mind, not that this is even a possibility.
So keep on thinking COVID is a hoax. All media is fake, unless of course it concurs with what you want to believe. It really makes no difference to me.
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Maybe prime is a paid Democratic troll? I mean, he has all the signs of being one, haha.
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Oh shit! You found me out. ::) ::) ::)
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And I suppose next you'll say the folks being interviewed and those who lying in hospital beds in the ICU hooked up all kinds of hospital equipment are "actors". Hey, whatever narrative supports your forgone conclusions is fine. I am not interested in changing your mind, not that this is even a possibility.
So keep on thinking COVID is a hoax. All media is fake, unless of course it concurs with what you want to believe. It really makes no difference to me.
It actually does make a difference to you since you come on here all the time trying to spread fear porn, lol
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Maybe prime is a paid Democratic troll? I mean, he has all the signs of being one, haha.
He has a vested interest in:
- companies that hawk anti-virals
- companies that produce COVID vaccines
Because the above items are massively part of a sordid, satanic and "shitplay obsessed lifestyle" that requires the following items to survive:
- politicians that promote LGBTQ policies
- policies that shutdown unvaccinated straight folks at the expense of worm ridden turd burglars[/
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https://www.oregon.gov/oha/PH/DISEASESCONDITIONS/DISEASESAZ/Emerging%20Respitory%20Infections/Oregon-COVID-19-Daily-Update.pdf
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He has a vested interest in:
- companies that hawk anti-virals
- companies that produce COVID vaccines
Because the above items are massively part of a sordid, satanic and "shitplay obsessed lifestyle" that requires the following items to survive:
- politicians that promote LGBTQ policies
- policies that shutdown unvaccinated straight folks at the expense of worm ridden turd burglars[/
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guess which drug homosexuals shy away from like shit shying away from Teflon blankets?
Ivermectin!!
Homosexuals are driven by wormy parasites that live therein the turd tunnels of uphill gardeners. Wormy parasites that facilitate phenotype brain changes in the gay man thus ensuring a hunger for third party shit and anal play
Ivermectin wipes out said worms. Indeed if you administer a homosexual with androgen blockers, antibiotics and de-worming agents you can massively attenuate obsession with and craving for cock
See, once you understand the nature of this, it all makes sense.
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https://www.oregon.gov/oha/PH/DISEASESCONDITIONS/DISEASESAZ/Emerging%20Respitory%20Infections/Oregon-COVID-19-Daily-Update.pdf
why are you posting this Sugar-Tits?
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I actually took the ivermectin for 8 days. I started it when my wife tested positive which was a few days before I tested positive. I took 18mg of it split up in two doses. Like a 12mg pill in the morning on an empty stomach and a 6mg pill at night. I took the 220 mg of zinc sulfate, 5000 D and 1000 C with my breakfast. I usually did a gram of Vitamin C with breakfast, lunch and dinner. I stopped taking the ivermectin but stayed on the rest of the vitamins. I don't know how much it all helped, but I never had bad symptoms. Never even had a bad night of sleep. I live in S. FL so most of my friends have had covid. I had the mildest Illness by far. Again, I don't know if I just have a better immune system or if the ivermectin helped. All I know is a 30 year old friend of mine ended up in the hospital last week for covid. As he was going doing hill, all his Dr. would tell him is to "drink more fluids". Total joke. I personally think there are safe, early protocols that can help your body fight covid but we keep getting told it's not true. Just go home and let the virus rage in your body and hope you don't have to go to the emergency room. I think that's a terrible strategy.
Fascinating - thanks for posting
Like I imagine a lot of us on here have done, I have dabbled now and again with the high dosage vitamins - even took part in a study once where we were supposed to be taking (IIRC) up to ~10,000mg (10g) a day* in powder form for a while. I recall Linus Pauling's work being a big thing back then if anyone remembers him...
Plenty of bro-science discussions about the difference between the RDA and what might be optimal for health, dosages being dependent on your weight, all of that business... back when I gave a sh1t! ;D
Again, thanks for posting 8)
*Edit: of ascorbic acid/vitamin C - missed that when I first posted
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Fascinating - thanks for posting
Like I imagine a lot of us on here have done, I have dabbled now and again with the high dosage vitamins - even took part in a study once where we were supposed to be taking (IIRC) up to ~10,000mg (10g) a day in powder form for a while. I recall Linus Pauling's work being a big thing back then if anyone remembers him...
Plenty of bro-science discussions about the difference between the RDA and what might be optimal for health, dosages being dependent on your weight, all of that business... back when I gave a sh1t! ;D
Again, thanks for posting 8)
Just a few bits of info to help:
- You should be taking zinc as "zinc picolinate" since that form is most readily taken up by the body. Also, never overdo zinc. 50 mg a day is more than enough.
- High doses of Vitamin C are generally safe but they can lead to kidney stones in men. The point is enough is good enough, too much is not.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26463139/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3630857/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2407097/
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Do you live in Oregon?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/oregon-covid-19-patients-hospital-icu/
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/oregon/articles/2021-08-28/oregon-counties-request-trucks-for-bodies-as-deaths-climb
Note: No doubt you will say these videos are fake media hype designed to make us sheep think there's a problem when none exists. I would have posted videos I personally took using my cell phone, but visitors aren't allowed in ICU at this time. If they were, I still wouldn't have gone to the hospital to prove a point to a troll, such as you.
"Hospitals in Oregon are at their breaking point"
What does "breaking point" mean? Sounds hyperbolic.
"More than a dozen critically ill covid patients fill the medical ICU"
More than a dozen? Big fuckin deal.
"This patient is 26 and dying. This patient is 21 and dying. This patient is a father of four and dying"
They're trying to make it sound like it's a pandemic of the young and virile, when young people make up only a tiny fraction of the covid deaths. Every news story now only mentions young people, as if the majority of people dying aren't old and fat. There's an agenda to scare our population into compliance. People that lean right can plainly hear the hyperbole, and therefore aren't swayed by it.
"Americans who hesitate to get the vaccine asking nurses and doctors to shoulder the unbelievable weight of deaths and illnesses."
My sister is an ICU covid nurse. She's been doing it since the beginning, and has traveled all over the U.S. on contract. She's getting ready to go to Oregon. They just offered her $14k/week as they are short staffed. She's been making $8k/week in Florida. When I speak to her, it doesn't sound like she's "shouldering the unbelievable weight of deaths and illnesses". It sounds like her bank account is about ready to burst. BTW, every time my sister brings up a younger patient, I always ask her for their stats, and they're always fat. Of course, in America, fat is the default, and is considered normal/average. I couldn't care less whether they live or die. They have the ablility to alter their trajectory, but choose not to for their own reasons.
"If you're worried about the risks from the side effects of the vaccine itself, you're risks of what can happen to you or your loved one if you do not get vaccinated are astronomically higher."
Astronomically higher? Really? Hyperbole much? So exactly what is the percentage of unvaccinated people who contract covid that are hospitalized? And of those that are hospitalized, what is the percentage of people who actually die? After you give me the percentages, it would be appropriate to break it down by age, BMI and number of comorbidities to further clarify the risk.
I'm tired of watching these propaganda "news" stories, and reading how the patient told the nurse, right before they died, that they wished they'd listened to the experts.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/oregon/articles/2021-08-28/oregon-counties-request-trucks-for-bodies-as-deaths-climb
"Tillamook County Emergency Director Gordon McCraw wrote in his request to the state that the county's sole funeral home “is now consistently at or exceeding their capacity” of nine bodies."
9 bodies? What?
""Due to COVID cases of staff, they are unable to transport for storage to adjacent counties," he wrote, adding that suicides are also up in the county."
Suicides are also up? Really?
“In the past week, we more than doubled the number of COVID deaths in Tillamook County, from five to eleven,”
Eleven?
"the coronavirus delta variant tears through Oregon's unvaccinated population."
Huh? Like what? 10,000 people? 20,000 people? Sounds hyperbolic.
Mainstream media is pathetic.
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Are you leading the life of an 'outlaw'?
I assume this means you are not one of the 'sheep' and so you consistently violate the restrictions by doing things such as going out after curfew, travel out of state or beyond whatever distance has been imposed in your area; invite hoards of folks over for a party at your home, both indoors and out; go to auctions; attend weddings and funerals; Go to church on a regular basis to pray you don't get caught, etc. (etc. includes dozens of other restrictions currently in place in Sydney).
Here in Oregon, there are a lot of us 'sheep' who have been vaccinated and wear masks. Apparently, there are enough of us so that the state hasn't completely shut down like Sydney has. We can still eat out, go to the gym, visit with friends and most of the other things Folks cannot do. Of course, there is always the chance that us sheep will get sick and die from the vaccine or suffocate while wearing a mask. And then the rebels can take over. ;D
Here in our state we’re urged by the government to do the right thing. I am not vaccinated so have to be careful. Disagreeing with the restrictions doesn’t make me an outlaw. The sheep get vaccinated and usually agree with restrictions, etc. I consider the government and police dumbasses for what they are doing.
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It actually does make a difference to you since you come on here all the time trying to spread fear porn, lol
Fear porn? Interesting term. I had to look it up to find out what it meant. Wonder who coined the phrase and when they did. It is a little misleading because not every fear provoking issue media reports on is done so for no other purpose. Bad things happen in the world all the time whether we like it or not. As much as we might not want to know about something that provokes fear in us it is sometimes important to be informed. The downside is that the worse something is or the bigger it is, the less likely we are able to do anything about it.
But some bad and fear provoking news can actually help us. For example, last year wild fires threatened to spread into heavily populated suburban areas. Because of the media, we were kept informed as to the level of danger we were in based on where we lived. People were advised when to evacuate their homes. As a result this information actually saved lives. The area I live in was put on notice of impending evacuation should the fire jump the river. Fortunately that never happened and the media informed us that the danger was over. Did the media instill fear in people in this case? Absolutely. Was that a bad thing? Absolutely not.
Media reporting that hospital ICU's are full is an example of media reporting something most of us can't do anything about. Even if it encourages folks to get vaccinated or take other precautions against catching COVID that is not going to clear the hospital beds anytime soon. It might be helpful if you planned on having surgery and it gets postponed. At least you would know why and possibly what steps to take, depending on the seriousness of your condition. The reports awhile back showing people who literally dropped dead in the street in India was fear porn and probably something most of us did not need to know about because not only could we not do anything about it, unless we lived in India, it really didn't affect us except to instill fear.
Just recently I read a post on Getbig that referenced the supposed 100,000 people waiting in to be evacuated Afghanistan. This is another example of something most of us can do nothing about nor does it personally affect us. In this case the fear porn was meant to show Biden's failure. And it was being spread mostly by the folks politically on the right. I point this out to demonstrate that whether good or bad fear porn is a tool being used by many to make their point of view be heard.
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https://www.oregon.gov/oha/PH/DISEASESCONDITIONS/DISEASESAZ/Emerging%20Respitory%20Infections/Oregon-COVID-19-Daily-Update.pdf
These are graphs from December 2020. Can you explain for me why you believe they are relevant to the COVID Delta outbreak in Oregon that is going on right now?
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Here in our state we’re urged by the government to do the right thing. I am not vaccinated so have to be careful. Disagreeing with the restrictions doesn’t make me an outlaw. The sheep get vaccinated and usually agree with restrictions, etc. I consider the government and police dumbasses for what they are doing.
Get vaccinated Vince.
The risk from the virus due to your age and weight is far higher than known and likely unknown risks from vaccinations.
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Can you clowns please make this thread about bhank?
You’ve gone 17 pages without mentioning him and that is outside the current Terms of Use at Getbig.
Your expedited compliance in this matter is greatly appreciated.
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Disturbing video by Dr John Campbell. UK doctors believe everyone will eventually be exposed or get the virus because of infectious variants.
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Fear porn? Interesting term. I had to look it up to find out what it meant. Wonder who coined the phrase and when they did. It is a little misleading because not every fear provoking issue media reports on is done so for no other purpose. Bad things happen in the world all the time whether we like it or not. As much as we might not want to know about something that provokes fear in us it is sometimes important to be informed. The downside is that the worse something is or the bigger it is, the less likely we are able to do anything about it.
But some bad and fear provoking news can actually help us. For example, last year wild fires threatened to spread into heavily populated suburban areas. Because of the media, we were kept informed as to the level of danger we were in based on where we lived. People were advised when to evacuate their homes. As a result this information actually saved lives. The area I live in was put on notice of impending evacuation should the fire jump the river. Fortunately that never happened and the media informed us that the danger was over. Did the media instill fear in people in this case? Absolutely. Was that a bad thing? Absolutely not.
Media reporting that hospital ICU's are full is an example of media reporting something most of us can't do anything about. Even if it encourages folks to get vaccinated or take other precautions against catching COVID that is not going to clear the hospital beds anytime soon. It might be helpful if you planned on having surgery and it gets postponed. At least you would know why and possibly what steps to take, depending on the seriousness of your condition. The reports awhile back showing people who literally dropped dead in the street in India was fear porn and probably something most of us did not need to know about because not only could we not do anything about it, unless we lived in India, it really didn't affect us except to instill fear.
Just recently I read a post on Getbig that referenced the supposed 100,000 people waiting in to be evacuated Afghanistan. This is another example of something most of us can do nothing about nor does it personally affect us. In this case the fear porn was meant to show Biden's failure. And it was being spread mostly by the folks politically on the right. I point this out to demonstrate that whether good or bad fear porn is a tool being used by many to make their point of view be heard.
Prime,
I like you- but honestly you write every post as if you are a fucking sage, lol.
I have a PhD in Chemistry (organic synthesis is my specialty). I really don't need the world explained to me, thank you
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"Hospitals in Oregon are at their breaking point"
What does "breaking point" mean? Sounds hyperbolic.
In this case, breaking point means ICU's are full. There isn't enough staff to handle the patient load, which is why on August 15, 2021 Oregon will deploy at least 500 National Guard troops to help its hospitals deal with a flood of coronavirus patients, as the state faces its largest wave of infections in the pandemic. Is that hyperbole?
"More than a dozen critically ill covid patients fill the medical ICU"
More than a dozen? Big fuckin deal.
What is the capacity of this hospital's ICU?
"This patient is 26 and dying. This patient is 21 and dying. This patient is a father of four and dying"
They're trying to make it sound like it's a pandemic of the young and virile, when young people make up only a tiny fraction of the covid deaths. Every news story now only mentions young people, as if the majority of people dying aren't old and fat. There's an agenda to scare our population into compliance. People that lean right can plainly hear the hyperbole, and therefore aren't swayed by it.
That they are trying to make it sound like it is a pandemic of the young and virile is your opinion. I distinctly remember folks saying that it was only the ancient and infirmed who were dying. 21 and 26 doesn't seem ancient to me. The Oregonian lists the number of new COVID cases daily and the number of deaths which includes their age and whether they had underlying conditions (if that is known). Although the bulk of the folks listed who died on any given day in the Oregonian are still definitely seniors, there are more people in their 50's, 40's and 30's listed than previously.
On August 26th 1,000 people hospitalized with COVID-19; there were 2,804 new cases and 30 deaths. It supposedly was a new record high.
"Americans who hesitate to get the vaccine asking nurses and doctors to shoulder the unbelievable weight of deaths and illnesses."
My sister is an ICU covid nurse. She's been doing it since the beginning, and has traveled all over the U.S. on contract. She's getting ready to go to Oregon. They just offered her $14k/week as they are short staffed. She's been making $8k/week in Florida. When I speak to her, it doesn't sound like she's "shouldering the unbelievable weight of deaths and illnesses". It sounds like her bank account is about ready to burst. BTW, every time my sister brings up a younger patient, I always ask her for their stats, and they're always fat. Of course, in America, fat is the default, and is considered normal/average. I couldn't care less whether they live or die. They have the ablility to alter their trajectory, but choose not to for their own reasons.
And your sister should know, right? BTW, did your sister take Oregon up on it's offer? Do you suppose they offered to pay her almost twice what she makes in Florida because they have money to blow?
"If you're worried about the risks from the side effects of the vaccine itself, you're risks of what can happen to you or your loved one if you do not get vaccinated are astronomically higher."
Astronomically higher? Really? Hyperbole much? So exactly what is the percentage of unvaccinated people who contract covid that are hospitalized? And of those that are hospitalized, what is the percentage of people who actually die? After you give me the percentages, it would be appropriate to break it down by age, BMI and number of comorbidities to further clarify the risk.
I'm tired of watching these propaganda "news" stories, and reading how the patient told the nurse, right before they died, that they wished they'd listened to the experts.
If you don't believe it is astronomically higher, look up the numbers yourself. BTW astronomically, is a matter of opinion. Opinions are not facts.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/oregon/articles/2021-08-28/oregon-counties-request-trucks-for-bodies-as-deaths-climb
"Tillamook County Emergency Director Gordon McCraw wrote in his request to the state that the county's sole funeral home “is now consistently at or exceeding their capacity” of nine bodies."
9 bodies? What?
What? What is the total population of Tillamook County? It is 27,688. What is the capacity of the funeral home? Hmm, maybe they wanted to have a barbecue and needed a way to keep the beer cold so they requested a refrigerated truck. What do you think?
""Due to COVID cases of staff, they are unable to transport for storage to adjacent counties," he wrote, adding that suicides are also up in the county."
Suicides are also up? Really?
I believe suicides are up everywhere. Some of it can be blamed on the stress the pandemic has caused people. Some of it can be attributed to a sense of hopelessness that a lot of folks are feeling. According to the National Institute of Mental Health suicides are the 2nd leading cause of death for people between the ages of 10-35. Second only to accidental deaths. The good news is that it is only the 10th leading cause of deaths overall. Last week my grandson lost a second friend to suicide this year. He's 23 years old so I assume his friends were similar in age.
“In the past week, we more than doubled the number of COVID deaths in Tillamook County, from five to eleven,”
Eleven?
Tillamook County Public Health Department was notified Monday, Aug. 30, of the 13th Tillamook County resident to have died from COVID-19. For the first 18 months of the pandemic, Tillamook County had five local deaths due to COVID-19. In the past week, the county more than doubled the number of COVID-19 deaths in, raising the death toll from five to 13.
I think the point is that deaths are increasing not decreasing.
"the coronavirus delta variant tears through Oregon's unvaccinated population."
Huh? Like what? 10,000 people? 20,000 people? Sounds hyperbolic.
In Oregon, 2,695,629 people or 63% of the state has received at least one dose.
Overall, 2,446,946 people or 58% of Oregon's population has been fully vaccinated.
The rate of COVID-19 cases among unvaccinated individuals at the end of July is approximately five times the rate of COVID-19 cases among fully vaccinated individuals.
In July there were 55 COVID-19-associated deaths.
82% (n=45) of these deaths were in
unvaccinated individuals.
Mainstream media is pathetic.
In your opinion which to me seems a bit biased.
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Prime,
I like you- but honestly you write every post as if you are a fucking sage, lol.
I have a PhD in Chemistry (organic synthesis is my specialty). I really don't need the world explained to me, thank you
Prime has finally found a thread where he feels his opinion is as good as anyone else's! ::)
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Good idea. I probably helps to kind of ignore it in Western Australia which has remained virus free. When something isn't happening close to home, it is harder to take it seriously. It is almost like it isn't real. Maybe that's the same with individuals. I neither you nor someone close to you is getting sick, it is easier to put it out of your mind. Notice the few who post here and how in some cases their perspective completely changes once they have COVID....specially if they get fairly sick with it.
Here in Oregon, COVID Delta has been something of a game changer. Oregon was doing relatively well in terms of number of cases of COVID as compared to a lot of other states. Now with Delta, hospital ICU's are full up. Medical personnel from the National Guard are helping out in hospitals. A couple of funeral homes in smaller towns have ordered refrigerated trucks because they are out of space to store dead bodies. A least people aren't laying around dead in the streets from COVID yet. I'm not surprised when I go out that there doesn't seem to be anyone who not wearing a mask. They would likely be asked to leave if they were in a retail setting.
I'd suggest that the less emotion involved in a decion, the better. I might be mistaken or impractical to remain unvaxed, but I wouldn't agree that I'm less informed by virtue of not having sick neighbors. And I recall bigkid recently, and I think Humble Narcissist in the past, saying they had the bug and were fine. I can't recall anyone recanting a no vax position here on Getbig. I can't recall anyone on Getbig admitting that they were wrong about anything ever, lol.
Fwiw, I'm glad my parents got their shots and I think they should take every booster they can.
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Prime,
I like you- but honestly you write every post as if you are a fucking sage, lol.
I have a PhD in Chemistry (organic synthesis is my specialty). I really don't need the world explained to me, thank you
Thanks for the compliment. I am not a sage, however.
When someone posts something that doesn't ring true to me, I feel challenged to find out whether they are right or not. So believe it or not, I appreciate that some people don't agree with me, because if we were in agreement all the time, there would be little else to say and a lot less to learn. If I were a sage, I would have all the answers. Like most everyone else here I mostly have opinions.
BTW, the questions I asked you weren't intended to put you on the spot. I am honestly curious how various people are dealing with COVID and all the fall out from it. It strikes me that many folks talk tough, but when it comes right down to it, they most likely conform to some degree or they live alone in the outback, the bush or up in the hills of Appalachia.
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When someone posts something that doesn't ring true to me, I feel challenged to find out whether they are right or not. find an article on Google that I agree with and that matches the govt approved speaking points.
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Disturbing video by Dr John Campbell. UK doctors believe everyone will eventually be exposed or get the virus because of infectious variants.
This is just common sense. Remember before vaccines herd immunity was said to occur naturally at 60%.
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This is just common sense. Remember before vaccines herd immunity was said to occur naturally at 60%.
Read up on Sweden, the anti-vax country, which is outperforming or pretty much on par with the vax lunatics.
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Arizona nurse shares highs, lows of 18-month COVID-19 fight
Has to be a Becky! The only PTSD I have is from mandatory bullshit in syringes.
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Oh goodie, border jumpers are getting in the mix. ::)
Juan (Just cross the border for his free shot and perks)
The risk of anything more than a sore arm and mild flu-like symptoms for a day or two are about as bad as it gets with the vaccine. Not much of a risk.
Somehow his limited mental capacity thinks it's about a shot vs. companies riddled with billions in lawsuits and judgments but are now protected even from the short-term side effects of their fucboi shots.
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Prime has finally found a thread where he feels his opinion is as good as anyone else's! ::)
That is never the case.
He is a creepy old windbag who let another man stick his cock in his Prime’s ass.
The opinion of disgusting senile old creeps holds no merit here.
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With regards to COVID. Here is my thinking at the moment. If you believe COVID is a hoax. If your believe the COVID media coverage is a bunch of hype to make big pharma and the media rich. If you believe that it is a political ploy constructed by the 'Dem's and libtards'. If for whatever reason, you are adamantly opposed to taking precautions to protect yourself as well as others against contracting COVID, including wearing a mask and getting vaccinated (unless otherwise indicated), then when you get fucking sick with COVID and you start feeling really like you can't breathe, don't go to the hospital, because you are not welcome. This is totally against the Hippocratic oath, but if you cannot prove you have been vaccinated, you will not be admitted. Really, it is as simple as that. If what your believe is right, this scenario will never happen, if not....well then too bad, so sad....it's been nice knowing you.
Here's the kicker, if I am full of shit, my ego might be wounded, but I will still be alive. On the other hand....
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That is never the case.
He is a creepy old windbag who let another man stick his cock in his Prime’s ass.
The opinion of disgusting senile old creeps holds no merit here.
Hold that thought, it suits you.
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Hold that thought, it suits you.
Choke on a black cock, it suits you.
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Choke on a black cock, it suits you.
Lame.
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With regards to COVID. Here is my thinking at the moment. If you believe COVID is a hoax. If your believe the COVID media coverage is a bunch of hype to make big pharma and the media rich. If you believe that it is a political ploy constructed by the 'Dem's and libtards'. If for whatever reason, you are adamantly opposed to taking precautions to protect yourself as well as others against contracting COVID, including wearing a mask and getting vaccinated (unless otherwise indicated), then when you get fucking sick with COVID and you start feeling really like you can't breathe, don't go to the hospital, because you are not welcome. This is totally against the Hippocratic oath, but if you cannot prove you have been vaccinated, you will not be admitted. Really, it is as simple as that. If what your believe is right, this scenario will never happen, if not....well then too bad, so sad....it's been nice knowing you.
Here's the kicker, if I am full of shit, my ego might be wounded, but I will still be alive. On the other hand....
What are you talking about? All 3 experimental compounds were supposed to be in a minimum of 24 months of phase testing which is rushed but better than 13 months out of the blue approval. You can't even use that as a defense while opting to take weekly PCR testing (easily $100 a month out of pocket wholesale)which is better than a super spreader vax person.
Let us put this in perspective. In order to take those compounds in capsule forms, you have to go through a physical but they can shoot it in your arm without knowing your medical history or at least create one.
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With regards to COVID. Here is my thinking at the moment. If you believe COVID is a hoax. If your believe the COVID media coverage is a bunch of hype to make big pharma and the media rich. If you believe that it is a political ploy constructed by the 'Dem's and libtards'. If for whatever reason, you are adamantly opposed to taking precautions to protect yourself as well as others against contracting COVID, including wearing a mask and getting vaccinated (unless otherwise indicated), then when you get fucking sick with COVID and you start feeling really like you can't breathe, don't go to the hospital, because you are not welcome. This is totally against the Hippocratic oath, but if you cannot prove you have been vaccinated, you will not be admitted. Really, it is as simple as that. If what your believe is right, this scenario will never happen, if not....well then too bad, so sad....it's been nice knowing you.
Here's the kicker, if I am full of shit, my ego might be wounded, but I will still be alive. On the other hand....
So do you also oppose tbombz getting treatment for his aids? It’s the exact same thing he refused to take any precautions while he was getting assfucked for meth and spews his filth to his knows how many others since he was only diagnosed after being made to have a blood test after an altercation with police. Surely if you feel that way regarding covid treatment this is no different?
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With regards to COVID. Here is my thinking at the moment. If you believe COVID is a hoax. If your believe the COVID media coverage is a bunch of hype to make big pharma and the media rich. If you believe that it is a political ploy constructed by the 'Dem's and libtards'. If for whatever reason, you are adamantly opposed to taking precautions to protect yourself as well as others against contracting COVID, including wearing a mask and getting vaccinated (unless otherwise indicated), then when you get fucking sick with COVID and you start feeling really like you can't breathe, don't go to the hospital, because you are not welcome. This is totally against the Hippocratic oath, but if you cannot prove you have been vaccinated, you will not be admitted. Really, it is as simple as that. If what your believe is right, this scenario will never happen, if not....well then too bad, so sad....it's been nice knowing you.
Here's the kicker, if I am full of shit, my ego might be wounded, but I will still be alive. On the other hand....
Calm down Dr. Zimbabwe... Its their choice what to believe. Getting a little fired up over others beliefs are ya??
We dont believe in gagging on groin gravy while wife is home dying, obviously you do?? See?? Choice...
Now fukk off back to Libturd-land Milty
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With regards to COVID. Here is my thinking at the moment. If you believe COVID is a hoax. If your believe the COVID media coverage is a bunch of hype to make big pharma and the media rich. If you believe that it is a political ploy constructed by the 'Dem's and libtards'. If for whatever reason, you are adamantly opposed to taking precautions to protect yourself as well as others against contracting COVID, including wearing a mask and getting vaccinated (unless otherwise indicated), then when you get fucking sick with COVID and you start feeling really like you can't breathe, don't go to the hospital, because you are not welcome. This is totally against the Hippocratic oath, but if you cannot prove you have been vaccinated, you will not be admitted. Really, it is as simple as that. If what your believe is right, this scenario will never happen, if not....well then too bad, so sad....it's been nice knowing you.
Here's the kicker, if I am full of shit, my ego might be wounded, but I will still be alive. On the other hand....
Some of these guys are being absolute dicks to you, but I've tried to hold a rational discussion. We seem to keep missing one another tho. I hope you didn't have me in mind when you typed this.
Do you believe that unvaccinated people are a risk to the vaccinated? Is that why the anger? I don't get mad at people who choose vaccination but vaccinated people often seem really upset at people who haven't taken the shot. Why? I'm positive you don't really hope I die. I don't hope you die either. We just have different views of vax risk vs benefit.
Pretty sure I mentioned: For your age group, vaccination is the way to go for sure and hope they tune a booster to be on target. And tbh I think Basile should take it, even though I agree with him about the Aus lockdowns.
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With regards to COVID. Here is my thinking at the moment. If you believe COVID is a hoax. If your believe the COVID media coverage is a bunch of hype to make big pharma and the media rich. If you believe that it is a political ploy constructed by the 'Dem's and libtards'. If for whatever reason, you are adamantly opposed to taking precautions to protect yourself as well as others against contracting COVID, including wearing a mask and getting vaccinated (unless otherwise indicated), then when you get fucking sick with COVID and you start feeling really like you can't breathe, don't go to the hospital, because you are not welcome. This is totally against the Hippocratic oath, but if you cannot prove you have been vaccinated, you will not be admitted. Really, it is as simple as that. If what your believe is right, this scenario will never happen, if not....well then too bad, so sad....it's been nice knowing you.
Here's the kicker, if I am full of shit, my ego might be wounded, but I will still be alive. On the other hand....
Prime, I thought you were going to cut back on the alcohol abuse because of your week long hiccups. Your post above is a grammatical nightmare.
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Some of these guys are being absolute dicks to you, but I've tried to hold a rational discussion. We seem to keep missing one another tho. I hope you didn't have me in mind when you typed this.
Do you believe that unvaccinated people are a risk to the vaccinated? Is that why the anger? I don't get mad at people who choose vaccination but vaccinated people often seem really upset at people who haven't taken the shot. Why? I'm positive you don't really hope I die. I don't hope you die either. We just have different views of vax risk vs benefit.
Pretty sure I mentioned: For your age group, vaccination is the way to go for sure and hope they tune a booster to be on target. And tbh I think Basile should take it, even though I agree with him about the Aus lockdowns.
Great point T, for some reason they are always so scornful and angry. When you ask them reasonably to explain the anger they spout some bs that doesn't actually stack up in light of the vaccination's short-comings. I think they have an underlying layer of fear that they have done something really dumb, but if everyone does it then they can't be the dumb ones any more.
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Great point T, for some reason they are always so scornful and angry. When you ask them reasonably to explain the anger they spout some bs that doesn't actually stack up in light of the vaccination's short-comings. I think they have an underlying layer of fear that they have done something really dumb, but if everyone does it then they can't be the dumb ones any more.
Yep, misery loves company kind of thing.
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Great point T, for some reason they are always so scornful and angry. When you ask them reasonably to explain the anger they spout some bs that doesn't actually stack up in light of the vaccination's short-comings. I think they have an underlying layer of fear that they have done something really dumb, but if everyone does it then they can't be the dumb ones any more.
Bingo!
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Great point T, for some reason they are always so scornful and angry. When you ask them reasonably to explain the anger they spout some bs that doesn't actually stack up in light of the vaccination's short-comings. I think they have an underlying layer of fear that they have done something really dumb, but if everyone does it then they can't be the dumb ones any more.
Bulls-eye.
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The group think is strong on the Fauci left.
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I think it’s more a matter of them resenting somebody having a bigger pair of balls.
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So do you also oppose tbombz getting treatment for his aids? It’s the exact same thing he refused to take any precautions while he was getting assfucked for meth and spews his filth to his knows how many others since he was only diagnosed after being made to have a blood test after an altercation with police. Surely if you feel that way regarding covid treatment this is no different?
My post was directed at folks on Getbig who are arguing against being vaccinated and claiming COVID is a hoax. They also believe hospital ICU's in some locations are not currently full with COVID patients and this is all just a bunch of media hype. Hospitals and doctors will continue to treat COVID patients regardless if they refused to be vaccinated. I believe I mentioned the Hippocratic oath.
If you're asking if I think tbombz was and idiot because he knowingly did nothing to prevent his getting and potentially spreading HIV my answer is yes. In many places, knowingly spreading HIV is a criminal offense. Were hospitals overrun with folks whose HIV developed into AIDS that resulted in life threatening illnesses such as Kaposi's sarcoma and pneumocystis pneumonia? Not that I know of, at least not to the degree that COVID has landed people in hospital ICU's. Well, maybe in San Francisco they were.
If I remember correctly, back in the early 80's when little was known about HIV, some hospitals were reluctant to admit patients who tested positive for HIV.
So let's say there is only one ICU bed available and two people who are deathly ill with COVID arrive at the hospital at the same time. One has breakthrough COVID, meaning they were vaccinated. The other person, refused to be vaccinated even though they were medically able to have the vaccine and it was available to them. Which one would you admit?
In 2012 Truvada (F/TDF) and in 2019 DESCOVY for PrEP (Pre-Exposure Prophylaxis) became available to men who are HIV negative. When taken as directed PrEP reduces the risk of getting HIV from sex by about 99%. It does not prevent other STD's so condoms are still recommended.
Here is a link to an interesting article about HIV in when it was becoming epidemic and very little was known about it: https://thetab.com/uk/2021/01/26/it-angered-me-nurse-shares-what-life-was-like-on-the-wards-during-the-80s-aids-crisis-191978
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https://www.businessinsider.com/2-top-fda-officials-resigned-biden-booster-plan-reports-2021-9?amp
Almost seems like they have been strong armed by the Biden admin to make all of these approvals
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My post was directed at folks on Getbig who are arguing against being vaccinated and claiming COVID is a hoax. They also believe hospital ICU's in some locations are not currently full with COVID patients and this is all just a bunch of media hype. Hospitals and doctors will continue to treat COVID patients regardless if they refused to be vaccinated. I believe I mentioned the Hippocratic oath.
If you're asking if I think tbombz was and idiot because he knowingly did nothing to prevent his getting and potentially spreading HIV my answer is yes. In many places, knowingly spreading HIV is a criminal offense. Were hospitals overrun with folks whose HIV developed into AIDS that resulted in life threatening illnesses such as Kaposi's sarcoma and pneumocystis pneumonia? Not that I know of, at least not to the degree that COVID has landed people in hospital ICU's. Well, maybe in San Francisco they were.
If I remember correctly, back in the early 80's when little was known about HIV, some hospitals were reluctant to admit patients who tested positive for HIV.
So let's say there is only one ICU bed available and two people who are deathly ill with COVID arrive at the hospital at the same time. One has breakthrough COVID, meaning they were vaccinated. The other person, refused to be vaccinated even though they were medically able to have the vaccine and it was available to them. Which one would you admit?
In 2012 Truvada (F/TDF) and in 2019 DESCOVY for PrEP (Pre-Exposure Prophylaxis) became available to men who are HIV negative. When taken as directed PrEP reduces the risk of getting HIV from sex by about 99%. It does not prevent other STD's so condoms are still recommended.
Here is a link to an interesting article about HIV in when it was becoming epidemic and very little was known about it: https://thetab.com/uk/2021/01/26/it-angered-me-nurse-shares-what-life-was-like-on-the-wards-during-the-80s-aids-crisis-191978
I would be a massive hypocrite if I answered any way other than the vaccinated person taking the one available bed, I’m a firm believer that anyone presenting an ailment that is in anyway self inflicted (obesity related health issues, aids caught through drugs or faggotry, alcohol and smoking ailments ect) should pay the full cost of any treatment they received (talking uk here where our treatment is free). I don’t believe in any conspiracy I simply chose not to receive a vaccine with limited testing for a virus with a high survival rate for Simone my age with no health issues who rarely gets sick. I’d be more than happy to accept consequences if my choice is wrong and would happily offer anyone vaccinated to take treatment first if limited treatment slots are available as I’m also a firm believer in having to stand by your actions, I appreciate your well written thoughtful answer
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It’s unbelievable hypocritical for those who promote getting this “vaccine” to actually pretend that it really is a true “vaccine”.
When the indisputably approved vaccine gives you immunity against Covid, then you can push a mandatory program.
Until then, you have no rights over anyone else’s health or body.
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Thats exactly how i feel.
I could get flu and get unexpectedly really sick from that but i never feel the need to get a jab, even when my work offer a free one. The same with covid, even more so when it's not a real vaccine, if i get sick i get sick
I would be a massive hypocrite if I answered any way other than the vaccinated person taking the one available bed, I’m a firm believer that anyone presenting an ailment that is in anyway self inflicted (obesity related health issues, aids caught through drugs or faggotry, alcohol and smoking ailments ect) should pay the full cost of any treatment they received (talking uk here where our treatment is free). I don’t believe in any conspiracy I simply chose not to receive a vaccine with limited testing for a virus with a high survival rate for Simone my age with no health issues who rarely gets sick. I’d be more than happy to accept consequences if my choice is wrong and would happily offer anyone vaccinated to take treatment first if limited treatment slots are available as I’m also a firm believer in having to stand by your actions, I appreciate your well written thoughtful answer
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It’s unbelievable hypocritical for those who promote getting this “vaccine” to actually pretend that it really is a true “vaccine”.
When the indisputably approved vaccine gives you immunity against Covid, then you can push a mandatory program.
Until then, you have no rights over anyone else’s health or body.
Exactly. The vaccine imparts no immunity. And there is evidence it even makes getting infected by the mutations even easier ( antibody dependent enhancement).
So many retards have compared it to the polio vaccine. Right... With the polio vaccine you didn't get polio. With the smallpox vaccine you didn't get smallpox. With the Covid vaccine, you Do get Covid. So it is a fucking joke.
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My post was directed at folks on Getbig who are arguing against being vaccinated and claiming COVID is a hoax. They also believe hospital ICU's in some locations are not currently full with COVID patients and this is all just a bunch of media hype. Hospitals and doctors will continue to treat COVID patients regardless if they refused to be vaccinated. I believe I mentioned the Hippocratic oath.
If you're asking if I think tbombz was and idiot because he knowingly did nothing to prevent his getting and potentially spreading HIV my answer is yes. In many places, knowingly spreading HIV is a criminal offense. Were hospitals overrun with folks whose HIV developed into AIDS that resulted in life threatening illnesses such as Kaposi's sarcoma and pneumocystis pneumonia? Not that I know of, at least not to the degree that COVID has landed people in hospital ICU's. Well, maybe in San Francisco they were.
If I remember correctly, back in the early 80's when little was known about HIV, some hospitals were reluctant to admit patients who tested positive for HIV.
So let's say there is only one ICU bed available and two people who are deathly ill with COVID arrive at the hospital at the same time. One has breakthrough COVID, meaning they were vaccinated. The other person, refused to be vaccinated even though they were medically able to have the vaccine and it was available to them. Which one would you admit?
In 2012 Truvada (F/TDF) and in 2019 DESCOVY for PrEP (Pre-Exposure Prophylaxis) became available to men who are HIV negative. When taken as directed PrEP reduces the risk of getting HIV from sex by about 99%. It does not prevent other STD's so condoms are still recommended.
Here is a link to an interesting article about HIV in when it was becoming epidemic and very little was known about it: https://thetab.com/uk/2021/01/26/it-angered-me-nurse-shares-what-life-was-like-on-the-wards-during-the-80s-aids-crisis-191978
I'm not much for desert island hypotheticals where we score relative moral worth and then reward or punish accordingly. What if one is 90 and one is 20 with many years of life ahead? One dedicates himself to charitable work and the other is a career criminal? One spends all day eating broccoli sprouts and doing squats while the other lives on Krispy Kreme and hasn't been off the couch in years? What if one is black and recently surrvived being pulled over by the police and the other is literally a straight white police officer? Etc.
But sure. All things being equal, treat the vaxed one first. What I won't agree to, however, is to refuse treatment to someone who suffers a vaccine injury on the same grounds that it's self inflicted. I just feel like it wouldn't be right.
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So let's say there is only one ICU bed available and two people who are deathly ill with COVID arrive at the hospital at the same time. One has breakthrough COVID, meaning they were vaccinated. The other person, refused to be vaccinated even though they were medically able to have the vaccine and it was available to them. Which one would you admit?
I think the greater issue here would be that a vaxxed person is deathly ill and needs an ICU bed. someone got fooled. Maybe offer the one that's vaxxed a booster and they'll be good to go?
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Exactly. The vaccine imparts no immunity. And there is evidence it even makes getting infected by the mutations even easier ( antibody dependent enhancement).
So many retards have compared it to the polio vaccine. Right... With the polio vaccine you didn't get polio. With the smallpox vaccine you didn't get smallpox. With the Covid vaccine, you Do get Covid. So it is a fucking joke.
Maybe compare the COVID vaccine to a flu or pneumonia vaccine. With each of these, you can still get sick with the illnesses but it may reduce the severity. The flu vaccine protects you from a virus. The pneumonia vaccines (there are two) protect you from specific bacteria. While I think most people get over the flu and even pneumonia, both can be deadly. Another commonality they have to the COVID vaccine is that you may feel slightly ill following the shot.
This is my rationale for my being vaccinated against COVID. I've never had the flu that I know of. So, up until two years ago, I didn't have the vaccine even though my doctor recommended it. I've had pneumonia several times throughout my life, starting in infancy. For this reason, I have had a pneumonia vaccine each year for many years. There is a correlation between both the flu and pneumonia with COVID. That is one of the reasons I believed it was prudent for me to get vaccinated. Another reason is my age. Commonly, older folks immune systems are less effective than when they are young. One thing I have going for me is that I am not now nor have I ever been fat. Another is that aside from my past experiences with pneumonia and cancer, I enjoy excellent health.
All in all, I think I made a wise decision. Nobody talked me into getting vaccinated, not my family, friends, doctor or the media.
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The largest percentage of Covid fatalities by demographic are obese blacks. They are also the least vaccinated group.
That’s why you’re hearing that bullshit statistic of all the people that have been dying are unvaccinated. They are the same demographic who were dying before the vaccine, and they’re going to be the same people dying even if vaccinated unless these vaccines are also the cure for obesity and diabetes.
If you’re bitching about the unvaccinated taking up hospital space you’re really bitching about fat fucks, who represent 3/4 of the hospitalizations, but are too politically correct to say it.
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I'm not much for desert island hypotheticals where we score relative moral worth and then reward or punish accordingly. What if one is 90 and one is 20 with many years of life ahead? One dedicates himself to charitable work and the other is a career criminal? One spends all day eating broccoli sprouts and doing squats while the other lives on Krispy Kreme and hasn't been off the couch in years? What if one is black and recently surrvived being pulled over by the police and the other is literally a straight white police officer? Etc.
But sure. All things being equal, treat the vaxed one first. What I won't agree to, however, is to refuse treatment to someone who suffers a vaccine injury on the same grounds that it's self inflicted. I just feel like it wouldn't be right.
I agree with you on all counts.
Can you clarify for me what you mean when you say "suffers a vaccine injury on the same grounds that it is self inflicted"?
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The largest percentage of Covid fatalities by demographic are obese blacks. They are also the least vaccinated group.
That’s why you’re hearing that bullshit statistic of all the people that have been dying are unvaccinated. They are the same demographic who were dying before the vaccine, and they’re going to be the same people dying even if vaccinated unless these vaccines are also the cure for obesity and diabetes.
If you’re bitching about the unvaccinated taking up hospital space you’re really bitching about fat fucks, who represent 3/4 of the hospitalizations, but are too politically correct to say it.
Can you point me to something that supports the demographics you mentioned, specifically as it relates to black folks?
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I agree with you on all counts.
Can you clarify for me what you mean when you say "suffers a vaccine injury on the same grounds that it is self inflicted"?
Sure. My gf's coworker who suffered a small stroke after receiving the first Pfizer dose sadly cost the medical establishment valuable resources, as did a kitchen staff member's friend who is recently deceased while awaiting test results. Also the two residents of the retirement home who had heart attacks on the same day within 48 hours of administration of Astra, when no one in the facility had had a heart attack for a couple of years, but thankfully not two others who lost the ability to walk in days after the shot, nor the one who couldn't hold a drink anymore since no one wasted time returning to the retirement home for pointless followup. My mom tried to waste resources by returning to the doctor to complain about a significant increase in tinnitus, but thankfully the MD was able to assure her that it was unrelated to vaccination and nothing to be concerned about, and that the data is well established and quite clear on this.
The very few and exceedingly rare cases of genuine vaccine injury, which I don't personally have any knowledge of, should definitely be treated tho.
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Nobody wants to call me a liar? My stepmom did. Ok, not exactly. She said "that's not true." And repeated it a few times. Maybe she was insinuating that my mother and my gf are liars and that I'm easily taken in.
Especially the tinnitus. She has tinnitus and hers didn't increase in severity at all. So that's all settled science now.
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The largest percentage of Covid fatalities by demographic are obese blacks. They are also the least vaccinated group.
That’s why you’re hearing that bullshit statistic of all the people that have been dying are unvaccinated. They are the same demographic who were dying before the vaccine, and they’re going to be the same people dying even if vaccinated unless these vaccines are also the cure for obesity and diabetes.
If you’re bitching about the unvaccinated taking up hospital space you’re really bitching about fat fucks, who represent 3/4 of the hospitalizations, but are too politically correct to say it.
Some truths here and there but the grand truth is, they, even the healthy and fit, just overall better genetics than the horrible aging, curdled milk pheomelanins, will be the group with the most cancer and sterilization cases when the major side effects hit home in 5+ years.
Regardless of your phantom of the opera stats, people were going to get those shots. For example, California's demos are 2 mil negros and its' hybrids, 15 mil b e a n e r s and 12.5 white pheomelanins. I highly doubt the fit black population out here is driving numbers.
I'll stick with the Chink blame game.
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Some truths here and there but the grand truth is, they, even the healthy and fit, just overall better genetics than the horrible aging, curdled milk pheomelanins, will be the group with the most cancer and sterilization cases when the major side effects hit home in 5+ years.
Regardless of your phantom of the opera stats, people were going to get those shots. For example, California's demos are 2 mil negros and its' hybrids, 15 mil b e a n e r s and 12.5 white pheomelanins. I highly doubt the fit black population out here is driving numbers.
I'll stick with the Chink blame game.
What are you basing this on? I haven't seen anything to indicate long term side effects.
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All vaccines are not effective. I like the dude that said, "When did everyone get a medical degree all of the sudden?" He obviously does not know how vaccine trials are conducted. I cannot get a pediatrician in my state to give my children checkups. I was told and I quote, "An unvaccinated child puts a vaccinated child at risk for diseases." Also, the medical community agrees that herd immunity occurs with or without vaccines, except for those wanting to push vaccines.
I have a child who has undergone 2 PCR tests before an appt but he is putting an experimental drug superspreader at risk who is shading viroids? Kids have been building co-immunity since the fucking dinosaurs. Now, they are supposed to be disease-free. FUCKING INSANITY! Take into account you can still count their mortality #s on one hand.
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All vaccines are not effective. I like the dude that said, "When did everyone get a medical degree all of the sudden?"
I agree. Why is everyone saying "just get the Vax" like they even know WTF they are talking about?
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Nobody wants to call me a liar? My stepmom did. Ok, not exactly. She said "that's not true." And repeated it a few times. Maybe she was insinuating that my mother and my gf are liars and that I'm easily taken in.
Especially the tinnitus. She has tinnitus and hers didn't increase in severity at all. So that's all settled science now.
I have tinnitus according to the audiologist who told me the voices in my head was tinnitus. And here I thought I was going crazier. ;) Fortunately, the 'tinnitus' is only noticeable when I first wake up in the morning. But, the rushing air sound is continuous even when the wind isn't blowing.
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Sister 1 (Mom) - Sister 2 - Sister 3
4 offspring 2os 2os
1covid 0c 1c
2Cs have minimal symptoms, no more than 2-3 days, vary from some lung inflammation - runny nose.
3 sisters develop zero symptoms, none had experimental compounds before exposure including one housed 4 days with an active 7 yr old confirmed
Mitochondria Eva at work here? Genetic predisposition? Scientifically, men do give rise to a race so fathers are ruled out.
Naw, just get a shot!
My sister had no reaction to the shots. I had a very mild reaction each time. One of my cousins said she was sick as a dog for two days following the first shot. She didn't mention getting sick after the other. I have a large family, nobody else has said anything about having a reaction to the COVID vaccines. Because my family lives in various parts of the world they've collectively had every brand of COVID vaccine out there.
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lol Job numbers are bad (I wonder why). Who ya gonna blame?
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My sister had no reaction to the shots. I had a very mild reaction each time. One of my cousins said she was sick as a dog for two days following the first shot. She didn't mention getting sick after the other. I have a large family, nobody else has said anything about having a reaction to the COVID vaccines. Because my family lives in various parts of the world they've collectively had every brand of COVID vaccine out there.
It seems wildly variable. What do you think the cause is of minor and major adverse reactions?
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Interesting research and similarities with enzymes in rattlesnake venom and people who die from covid. Could lead to some treatments down the road.
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Also, the medical community agrees that herd immunity occurs with or without vaccines, except for those wanting to push vaccines.
except we have never achieved herd immunity without vaccines so the medical community doesn't agree with this
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lol Job numbers are bad (I wonder why). Who ya gonna blame?
Joe really eyeballing that teleprompter like its a toddler at the public pool w/ ole Cornpop man.
Douchery continues...