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I know every one in physical culture takes their own road. For some it's cross fit. For others it's something like bodybuilding or running. My son in law is around 320lbs and he trains hard in jui jitsu. He always tries to get me to return to the mats but I have no desire to roll on the mats with smelly guys at my age. He says referring to lifting what good is being able to bench 400lbs and have a beach body if a person would have trouble beating a white belt from my dojo in a fight?
One thing for sure when I took Jui jitsu Craig Kukuk said in effect and this isn't an exact quote that so many insecure weird guys get involved in jui jitsu. It's the same insecurity that makes guys flock to drugs and bodybuilding.
My son in law points out a guy in his dojo that looks like a soccer player. He runs everyday and no one would confuse him with being a bodybuilder though he is in outstanding conditioning. He said he's a submitting machine and strikes like a mule. Do mules strike?
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They kick and occasionally bite
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I used to wrestler and did some BJJ and submission grappling. The thing is as you get older having other dudes practice twisting your arm all day is a good way to get injured. Being strong and athletic as you age is going to do you more good in a fight than practicing arm bars on a matt all day. But really if you are benching 400lbs no one is ever going to want to fight you anyway especially some 150lb BJJ idiot who thinks he is a ninja
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I used to wrestler and did some BJJ and submission grappling. The thing is as you get older having other dudes practice twisting your arm all day is a good way to get injured. Being strong and athletic as you age is going to do you more good in a fight than practicing arm bars on a matt all day. But really if you are benching 400lbs no one is ever going to want to fight you anyway especially some 150lb BJJ idiot who thinks he is a ninja
I never bench 400. 300lb was my best at around 180lbs. Benching doesn't equal fighting ability. I see big benchers punch the heavy bag like a wimp. Strength doesn't always mean you have power. Stuff like sprinting, jumping and punching is an illustration of power and not strength. Sport wrestling is really a great martial art. How many good wrestlers can take someone down and pound them? Sport wrestlers make the quickest transition to BJJ once they learn that giving up their back is a mistake.
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Having a 400lbs man on top makes it nearly impossible for a small BJJ to get out. My son in law mentions that if he has good position at 325lbs even good guys have trouble reversing it. Bas is the real deal. An incredible striker that would lose early on to BJJ submissions. Once he picked it up he was just amazing having that combo of striking and submissions.
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At 320 is your son in law obese or is he really tall?
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Cliffs
Old small one
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Bhank, lol you think bench press makes you a fighter lol!!
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In a self-defense situation you don't want to roll around on the pavement for five minutes trying to arm bar someone. Meanwhile his buddy is kicking you in the head.
Self-defense is a different animal. You want to end it quick and get away. You go for vitals.
This kind of fighting is dirty and easy to learn. It doesn't require hours of training and attending a dojo. It doesn't require a high level of conditioning.
You can teach somebody in 5 minutes.
It's not a schoolyard fight. It's a different mindset.
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At 320 is your son in law obese or is he really tall?
He's about 6'4" he's big like a lineman in the NFL.
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He's about 6'4" he's big like a lineman in the NFL.
Let's hope he doesn't break your daughter's back 😂
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He's about 6'4" he's big like a lineman in the NFL.
Still at that height and weight he must be really fat. Those guys in the NFL are 50-100 lbs overweight. Not healthy.
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Your stats ?
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Your stats ?
6'2" 198.
You?
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I know every one in physical culture takes their own road. For some it's cross fit. For others it's something like bodybuilding or running. My son in law is around 320lbs and he trains hard in jui jitsu. He always tries to get me to return to the mats but I have no desire to roll on the mats with smelly guys at my age. He says referring to lifting what good is being able to bench 400lbs and have a beach body if a person would have trouble beating a white belt from my dojo in a fight?
Heart attack waiting to happen
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He says referring to lifting what good is being able to bench 400lbs and have a beach body if a person would have trouble beating a white belt from my dojo in a fight?
Should people forego benching 400 and looking good in daily life on the off chance some asshole white belt from his dojo picks a fight?
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6'2" 198.
You?
5,10 205
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Are you lifting for self defense? I don't.
If you were then your son in law would be correct. Is that why you lift?
Your son in law's logic is somewhat flawed because a skinny guy with a knife or gun will kill his badass dojo boy easily.
How about the other guy takes his eyes out? Nasty
A controlled sport fight is different.
He is training his guys for safe, controlled fighting which is understandable.
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He's about 6'4" he's big like a lineman in the NFL.
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5,10 205
Should drop 20 lbs.
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How many fights do adults get in? There is no reason to do martial arts that are physically damaging to the body as an older man. As a young person an injury may take a few days or a week to heal. As an old person it may never heal.
When you are in your teens and twenties do the MA and the strength training. As an older person you cruise on much smaller volume and much safer practices.
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Bhank, lol you think bench press makes you a fighter lol!!
All else being equal the guy with a 300lb bench has a fighting advantage over the guy with 150lb bench size and strength absolutely play a role in fighting they have weight classes for a reason
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All else being equal the guy with a 300lb bench has a fighting advantage over the guy with 150lb bench size and strength absolutely play a role in fighting they have weight classes for a reason
They have weight divisions not strength divisions.
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They have weight divisions not strength divisions.
Last I checked when you add strength through training and hypertrophy you add weight and size. Would you not agree the average 300lb bench presser is going to weigh more than there average 150lb bench presser? I realize powerlifters train to add strength in weight class but again generally speaking when you add strength and muscle you gain weight. Stronger people on average are heavier people they have weight classes because size and strength are positively correlated if bigger people were not stronger they wouldn't need weight classes
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Last I checked when you add strength through training and hypertrophy you add weight and size. Would you not agree the average 300lb bench presser is going to weigh more than there average 150lb bench presser? I realize powerlifters train to add strength in weight class but again generally speaking when you add strength and muscle you gain weight. Stronger people on average are heavier people they have weight classes because size and strength are positively correlated if bigger people were not stronger they wouldn't need weight classes
That's my point. Bigger people are stronger. Bigger people who don't even train for strength are usually stronger than smaller people.
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That's my point. Bigger people are stronger. Bigger people who don't even train for strength are usually stronger than smaller people.
If you are mobile at 340 you definitely have strong structure
I have never seen a weak fat guy who's physically active
Fatsos are mostly coach potatoes though
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Are you lifting for self defense? I don't.
If you were then your son in law would be correct. Is that why you lift?
Your son in law's logic is somewhat flawed because a skinny guy with a knife or gun will kill his badass dojo boy easily.
How about the other guy takes his eyes out? Nasty
A controlled sport fight is different.
He is training his guys for safe, controlled fighting which is understandable.
I always hear the eye defense. Realize the other guy can do it too.
I'm just talking about what motivates guys to lift weights. The want to appear they can kick ass.
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If you are mobile at 340 you definitely have strong structure
I have never seen a weak fat guy who's physically active
Fatsos are mostly coach potatoes though
Think Offensive Linemen in the NFL.
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Think Offensive Linemen in the NFL.
Fuckers bench more than 250 the first time they set their foot in gym
Do Leg extensions full stack
at age 15...
I don't think they lose sleep about growing up obese... ;D
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I know every one in physical culture takes their own road. For some it's cross fit. For others it's something like bodybuilding or running. My son in law is around 320lbs and he trains hard in jui jitsu. He always tries to get me to return to the mats but I have no desire to roll on the mats with smelly guys at my age. He says referring to lifting what good is being able to bench 400lbs and have a beach body if a person would have trouble beating a white belt from my dojo in a fight?
One thing for sure when I took Jui jitsu Craig Kukuk said in effect and this isn't an exact quote that so many insecure weird guys get involved in jui jitsu. It's the same insecurity that makes guys flock to drugs and bodybuilding.
My son in law points out a guy in his dojo that looks like a soccer player. He runs everyday and no one would confuse him with being a bodybuilder though he is in outstanding conditioning. He said he's a submitting machine and strikes like a mule. Do mules strike?
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Homosexuals
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Should people forego benching 400 and looking good in daily life on the off chance some asshole white belt from his dojo picks a fight?
Haha exactly
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Old timer how many physical confrontations have you been in since turning 30?
Obviously being able to defend yourself is important, but what are the odds of an encounter becoming physical? You have a 100 different encounters with people a day.
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I know every one in physical culture takes their own road. For some it's cross fit. For others it's something like bodybuilding or running. My son in law is around 320lbs and he trains hard in jui jitsu. He always tries to get me to return to the mats but I have no desire to roll on the mats with smelly guys at my age. He says referring to lifting what good is being able to bench 400lbs and have a beach body if a person would have trouble beating a white belt from my dojo in a fight?
One thing for sure when I took Jui jitsu Craig Kukuk said in effect and this isn't an exact quote that so many insecure weird guys get involved in jui jitsu. It's the same insecurity that makes guys flock to drugs and bodybuilding.
My son in law points out a guy in his dojo that looks like a soccer player. He runs everyday and no one would confuse him with being a bodybuilder though he is in outstanding conditioning. He said he's a submitting machine and strikes like a mule. Do mules strike?
Sounds like your son in law is a fat homo who likes to cuddle tightly with other men.
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I always hear the eye defense. Realize the other guy can do it too.
I'm just talking about what motivates guys to lift weights. The want to appear they can kick ass.
The bjj guy trained by your bro in law won't poke eyes because he is not trained to do so. He would not even think to do it.
Likely he's even trained not to hurt his opponent. Otherwise your bro in law would be sued a lot.
Do you train with weights to look tough and intimidate others? Is that why YOU lift weights?
Your bro in law is assuming people lift weights for self defense which is silly.
Anybody with a simple pocket knife and 5 minutes practice can take you or me out and take your bro in law out.
Spending your lifetime practicing martial arts is a good hobby but just as much a waste of time for self defense as lifting weights.
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I know every one in physical culture takes their own road. For some it's cross fit. For others it's something like bodybuilding or running. My son in law is around 320lbs and he trains hard in jui jitsu. He always tries to get me to return to the mats but I have no desire to roll on the mats with smelly guys at my age. He says referring to lifting what good is being able to bench 400lbs and have a beach body if a person would have trouble beating a white belt from my dojo in a fight?
One thing for sure when I took Jui jitsu Craig Kukuk said in effect and this isn't an exact quote that so many insecure weird guys get involved in jui jitsu. It's the same insecurity that makes guys flock to drugs and bodybuilding.
My son in law points out a guy in his dojo that looks like a soccer player. He runs everyday and no one would confuse him with being a bodybuilder though he is in outstanding conditioning. He said he's a submitting machine and strikes like a mule. Do mules strike?
Girls and sons who have not been loved by their fathers seek attention once teens and adults to compensate for what they didnt have originally. Fathers either left them alone, or were distant most of the time and not encouraging them. Some even despised them which would shape their personality and the way they d interact with others for the rest of their life.
They are extremistic in everything they do, always looking exageratly for attention, and have troubles adapting to society's rules, because they also have troubles defining their own identity and respecting authority and hierarchy.
Also boys who got picked on by others during childhood and adolescence -often sons without a father figure- try to compensate by lifting weights, to develop muscles and survive in ther male world. They re insecure because they re girly, childish, feminine having been raised by a single mom. They lift obsessively hoping it will transform them into men, to compensate for their lack of influence from a father figure that was not there. Unfortunaltey they can get as big as they can it doesnt cure their insecurity and who they truly are, how they grew up being raised by a single mom. They re no as manly as other men whatever they do, and they often have a big lack of masculine presence they dont know how to balance, hence often being borderline homosexuals while trying to get their manhood back thru various manly activities (mma, cars, weight lifting etc). They are often the ones that, in order to get respect from other males will go the steroids route to get even "bigger" attemptint to cure their insecurity , but being natural not being "enough", they still feel "too small", insecure, amongst other males. The lack of a father figure also often means they didnt have guidance to continue studies and are often working shitty manual jobs. You can dominate in life with studies, a good job that requires the use of all your best strenghts, which allows you to contribute fully to the specie that spawned you. By being successful socio professionnaly and by giving birth and raising happy individuals who will also contribute to mankind, to the specie. This is the benevolant, healhty way of contributing to mankind; you dominate by giving as much as you receive using your full potential. And then, there s everything else. The others main strategies of survival. For example, the uneducated loser with charisma linked to his muscles, who only exists because of his muscles, who only impress, dominate others with them. But to keep being respected -feared- and to keep impressing, the muscles must stay, and you want more, so at some point considering they re everything you have, you go the steroid route. No chance he gets an education, a good job, he didnt have a father to give him guidance, he s an atheist, he s an asshole, insecure about his own sexuality,so he survives in the gutters, the low part of the pyramid, can barely work a normal job and gets pissed by everything, always thinking about what he could have done if only his father actually invested in him, gave him soemthing instad of abandonning him. There you have it, the roots of good and evil, where it all starts for a male in the human specie. Who raises secure kids, sons and daughters, who contribute to society, and dont fall for all the extremes, traps? The hard working faithful man. You godamn motherfucking moron , how is the medical establishment responsible for fathers abandonning their kids , sons and daughters, who will barely survive depressed all life long ? How is the medical establishment responsible for that in the first place? You re confusing the order of things. You re ignorant. You must be young! Of course they re striving on other people who come from shity families psycho behavorial troubles, developing medications that dont even work or at best keep people asleep so they dont figure they ve been fucked in the ass by their own parents, genitors, who didnt have the decency to care enough about them after giving birth to them. Moral, spiritual decline is what leads to suffering in all human beings. If psychologists, psychanalysts exist nowadays, if most people try to find a meaning to their life in pseudo philosophies from Orient, if they need steroids, anti depressants, sleeping aids, thats because love is disapearing , because families are dysfunctional, and all of this is happening because the Words of God have been abandonned. All these bullshit pseudo medicaqtions full of side effects were developed as religion was gradually abandonned , because people fell for all the traps of modernism, and lost faith. And all these jobs, all these ''docs'' are assholes who need mentally ill people to survive, to have a job, they strive on other people problems, they strive on the disapearing of love and they give bullshit solutions to their ''customers''. And they re the biggest atheists, the most anti christian assholes on earth, you connect the dots.This is the irony of the whole thing. Again, you fail to understand the order of things. You put the consequences before the causes, which is ilogical, and ignorant. Most human beings are only caring about what tomorow will be made of. Job. Dinner. Sex. TV, Internet, workout. Bed. We re designed to do so by evolution. Tomorow i can anticipate this, this, and that. And? And that's about it. That's how our brains work. Currently we all collectively know some major shit is going to hit the fan in some weeks, months. Yet we cant do anything about it individually speaking. We re just waiting for it to happen. Says a lot about our so called free will, our "power". We also know we re going to go thru something that alrdy happened in the past to our ancestors thanks to historians who wrote it all on paper so we can compare our current situation with theirs centuries ago. Yet we can t do shit about it even if we know it alrdy happened. We re as powerless as were our ancestors when they described the fall of the roman empire of occident. There can only be individuals solutions, no collective solutions. Nations dont exist anymore. Industrials, megacorporations use journalists , medias and politicians like pupets. And they are only following their own greed and dont give a single damn about the globalized mankind under them in the societal pyramid. They re only purpose in life is to stay at the top, and prevent people from lower positions to get to them and replace them. One can only decide to prepare himself and his loved ones to what s going to happen. He, she, cannot change the world. He cannot change the rules of nature. He can only adapt, to survive.
...just my 2¢
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Who wrote that?^
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Who wrote that?^
some posts from "uberman" many years ago, probably a decade atleast
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BJJ does fuck all in a street fight against someone who knows how to street fight.
It's a different world.
If some guy attacks me i'm going for eyes, throat, groin, knees and elbows.
It's not like the movies.
There are no rules. Try to end it as fast as possible and leave.
Throat chops are amazing.
When i trained in kick boxing many years ago i was humbled very quickly in regards to strength. There wasn't a guy in there that could press 225 and some of these 170-180 pound dudes would fuck up a heavyweight. Just too fast.
Fighting is very stupid for an adult, but if you have no choice you better try to end it fast.
Last fight i got into many years ago i just dumped him on his head as hard as i could and left. By the time he realized what happened i was gone. I have no interest in going to jail over some "beef" with a drunk moron.
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Fuckers bench more than 250 the first time they set their foot in gym
Do Leg extensions full stack
at age 15...
I don't think they lose sleep about growing up obese... ;D
And no knees by 30, lol.
BTW, most retired football players can barely walk. What a hell of a sport. At least bodybuilders have the good sense to drop dead of heart attacks when they are in their 40's.
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I always hear the eye defense. Realize the other guy can do it too.
I'm just talking about what motivates guys to lift weights. The want to appear they can kick ass.
Insecurity mostly. Or latent homosexuality, a topic that comes up all the time on this board, lol
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Insecurity mostly. Or latent homosexuality, a topic that comes up all the time on this board, lol
Being strong and fit is it's own reward
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Being strong and fit is it's own reward
There you go. Good post, Bhanky.
But I thought it was about getting laid. ;)
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There you go. Good post, Bhanky.
But I thought it was about getting laid. ;)
Nah typically working out all the time is due to not getting laid breakups make bodybuilders
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PEPPER SPRAY
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The bjj guy trained by your bro in law won't poke eyes because he is not trained to do so. He would not even think to do it.
Likely he's even trained not to hurt his opponent. Otherwise your bro in law would be sued a lot.
Do you train with weights to look tough and intimidate others? Is that why YOU lift weights?
Your bro in law is assuming people lift weights for self defense which is silly.
Anybody with a simple pocket knife and 5 minutes practice can take you or me out and take your bro in law out.
Spending your lifetime practicing martial arts is a good hobby but just as much a waste of time for self defense as lifting weights.
You make some excellent points, specially in regards the pocket knife. It would be the same with a gun.
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The bjj guy trained by your bro in law won't poke eyes because he is not trained to do so. He would not even think to do it.
Likely he's even trained not to hurt his opponent. Otherwise your bro in law would be sued a lot.
Do you train with weights to look tough and intimidate others? Is that why YOU lift weights?
Your bro in law is assuming people lift weights for self defense which is silly.
Anybody with a simple pocket knife and 5 minutes practice can take you or me out and take your bro in law out.
Spending your lifetime practicing martial arts is a good hobby but just as much a waste of time for self defense as lifting weights.
Great post. You can learn everything you need to know for real fighting in a weekend seminar. Knives, guns, or any other thing that can be used as a weapon (like a pen) greatly increase your chances of coming out alive and well.
The best defense you can have is awareness. Simply staying out of dangerous places and situations is better than a lifetime of martial arts training. Rolling around on concrete will get you hurt or killed so BJJ is out.
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I know every one in physical culture takes their own road. For some it's cross fit. For others it's something like bodybuilding or running. My son in law is around 320lbs and he trains hard in jui jitsu. He always tries to get me to return to the mats but I have no desire to roll on the mats with smelly guys at my age. He says referring to lifting what good is being able to bench 400lbs and have a beach body if a person would have trouble beating a white belt from my dojo in a fight?
One thing for sure when I took Jui jitsu Craig Kukuk said in effect and this isn't an exact quote that so many insecure weird guys get involved in jui jitsu. It's the same insecurity that makes guys flock to drugs and bodybuilding.
My son in law points out a guy in his dojo that looks like a soccer player. He runs everyday and no one would confuse him with being a bodybuilder though he is in outstanding conditioning. He said he's a submitting machine and strikes like a mule. Do mules strike?
You trained under Craig? I know him back in 1991 at the original Gracie Academy in Torrance, CA. At that time it was run by Rorion and classes were taught by Rickson, Royce, and Royler. Craig was a brute. He was the first American to get a Black Belt and considered the top American BJJ fighter. There was a close door match between him and another American Black Belt name, Bob Bass, who trained with the Gracie's cousins: Rigan, Carlos, Jean-Jaques, Roger, and John.
What year and state were you in when you train with Craig? I have one of the first instructional tapes he made with Renzo whom he had a following out with.
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Great post. You can learn everything you need to know for real fighting in a weekend seminar. Knives, guns, or any other thing that can be used as a weapon (like a pen) greatly increase your chances of coming out alive and well.
The best defense you can have is awareness. Simply staying out of dangerous places and situations is better than a lifetime of martial arts training. Rolling around on concrete will get you hurt or killed so BJJ is out.
100%. The best way to avoid risk of harm is to get to the upper economic bracket and get a house in a safe area, and just avoid stupid shitty people. End of story. The time you spend rolling around with sweat drenched men is time you could spend making money to get yourself in a good spot in life.
the type that is obsessed by martial arts is the type that will find himself in dangerous situations often or even seek it out anyways. I bet people doing martial arts are about 1000x fold more likely to get physical harm done to them than the average Joe. This negates this whole argument of doing martial arts for some kind safety.
Also I bet doing BJJ is a more safe way to injure your spine, doing so, than it is to get into a physical altercation where you find it will protect you.
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Great post. You can learn everything you need to know for real fighting in a weekend seminar. Knives, guns, or any other thing that can be used as a weapon (like a pen) greatly increase your chances of coming out alive and well.
The best defense you can have is awareness. Simply staying out of dangerous places and situations is better than a lifetime of martial arts training. Rolling around on concrete will get you hurt or killed so BJJ is out.
Smart.