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Title: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: djliftsthings on October 25, 2021, 06:49:13 PM
Any tips on supplements or whatever to aid in recovery after a lifting session. Im 55 now and I dont bounce back like Im 25. Im also on zero gear, and will never do steroids again (been 20 some years). 
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: bhank on October 25, 2021, 06:51:55 PM
Any tips on supplements or whatever to aid in recovery after a lifting session. Im 55 now and I dont bounce back like Im 25. Im also on zero gear, and will never do steroids again (been 20 some years).

Bitch you can inject horse semen into your eyeballs it's not going to help you at this point
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: djliftsthings on October 25, 2021, 06:53:14 PM
Bitch you can inject horse semen into your eyeballs it's not going to help you at this point

as appealing as that sounds, me thinks youre gonna be in for a little surprise.
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: Fortress on October 25, 2021, 06:59:12 PM
I’m 51 and I can honestly say only an increased timeframe for recovery has been a noticeable difference from my earlier years.

I lift, using predominantly compound exercises, three times in every nine-day period.

I’m always entering the gym just barely over the line of “recovered”.

No drugs.

But I lift very heavy, as well.

For instance, my squatting sessions almost always utilize poundage between 365 to 600.

What used to take two days now takes three or four.

Just eat, stay calm and keep the fire lit.
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: Zillotch on October 25, 2021, 07:00:43 PM
dhea + l tyrosine + solid sleep
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: oldtimer1 on October 25, 2021, 07:01:47 PM
Make sure you get enough sleep. I have trouble with recovery because I go to failure just about  every set and throw in cardio.  I get wired and have trouble sleeping at night.

 So many bodybuilders claim they are on HRT after 45 when they are taking more testosterone than any legit doctor would prescribe.

I think it was Dave Draper that said at 55 your best days are behind you.  It would also be foolish to be juicing as you age considering the increased risk for heart attacks, strokes, kidneys and prostate issues. 

On thing I would do is to increase cardio to exercise the main muscle your body. Yes, I'm talking about the heart muscle. It will keep you lean and help with recovery unless you are doing too much of both.

Forget about weight used and concentrate on making any weight you use heavier by using a full range of motion and a slow cadence and higher reps. Yes there are plenty of old men power lifting and they look really out of shape. What good is a big total if your grinding your joints down and look like a slob unable to run around the block?
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: djliftsthings on October 25, 2021, 07:01:53 PM
I’m 51 and I can honestly say only an increased timeframe for recovery has been a noticeable difference from my earlier years.

I lift, using predominantly compound exercises, three times in every nine-day period.

I’m always entering the gym just barely over the line of “recovered”.

No drugs.

But I lift very heavy, as well.

For instance, my squatting sessions almost always utilize poundage between 365 to 600.

What used to take two days now takes three or four.

Just eat, stay calm and keep the fire lit.

outstanding advice that I greatly appreciate
I only do compound also, but Ive been 3 times in 7 days, and thats borderline. May have to add a day

thanks again for advice
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: djliftsthings on October 25, 2021, 07:03:22 PM
Make sure you get enough sleep. I have trouble with recovery because I go to failure just about  every set and throw in cardio.  I get wired and have trouble sleeping at night.

 So many bodybuilders claim they are on HRT after 45 when they are taking more testosterone than any legit doctor would prescribe.

I think it was Dave Draper that said at 55 your best days are behind you.  It would also be foolish to be juicing as you age considering the increased risk for heart attacks, strokes, kidneys and prostate issues. 

On thing I would do is to increase cardio to exercise the main muscle your body. Yes, I'm talking about the heart muscle. It will keep you lean and help with recovery unless you are doing too much of both.

one thing I do well is sleep. 8-9 hours per night. Its a fine line doing too much of both and its one I need to find. I sure like the epsom salt baths for this old body
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: Fortress on October 25, 2021, 07:10:59 PM
one thing I do well is sleep. 8-9 hours per night. Its a fine line doing too much of both and its one I need to find. I sure like the epsom salt baths for this old body

Yeah, I, too, like epsom salt baths. Also, I always finish the remaining minutes of every shower with the nozzle essentially shooting out ice water. Seems to really help.

You’ll rapidly age and deteriorate in gym activity if you force yourself to believe it’s “all over”.

Unless you are dead, it ain’t over.

That’s what I mean by, keep the fire lit.

Continue to expect to be a badass. Demand it of yourself.
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: djliftsthings on October 25, 2021, 07:17:49 PM
Yeah, I, too, like epsom salt baths. Also, I always finish the remaining minutes of every shower with the nozzle essentially shooting out ice water. Seems to really help.

You’ll rapidly age and deteriorate in gym activity if you force yourself to believe it’s “all over”.

Unless you are dead, it ain’t over.

That’s what I mean by, keep the fire lit.

Continue to expect to be a badass. Demand it of yourself.

I wont believe its over til I drop dead. I was in a bad place where I did believe it was over, but beat that and am on the road back to being strong again
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: Fortress on October 25, 2021, 07:23:09 PM
I wont believe its over til I drop dead. I was in a bad place where I did believe it was over, but beat that and am on the road back to being strong again

That’s fantastic.

Kick ass, brother. I’m with you.
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: illuminati on October 25, 2021, 07:57:05 PM
Any tips on supplements or whatever to aid in recovery after a lifting session. Im 55 now and I dont bounce back like Im 25. Im also on zero gear, and will never do steroids again (been 20 some years).

I’m 61 & need more time to fully recuperate - Eating good clean healthy food mainly & some added Vits & a Good base Vit/Min supplement helps , drink plenty of water, sleep well, stay focused & positive,
I do some cardio work + stretching + Boxing & grappling .
Work Hard & Rest Hard
Good Luck  👊🏻 💪🏻
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: djliftsthings on October 25, 2021, 08:04:24 PM
I’m 61 & need more time to fully recuperate - Eating good clean healthy food mainly & some added Vits & a Good base Vit/Min supplement helps , drink plenty of water, sleep well, stay focused & positive,
I do some cardio work + stretching + Boxing & grappling .
Work Hard & Rest Hard
Good Luck  👊🏻 💪🏻

I take B.D.C. omega 3 and a probiotic and overall eat pretty well, I shovel down the protein, my shit food is McDonalds quarter pounder meal twice a week (dont tell pellius). I drink tons of water, but my downfall is my diet coke addiction. Ive been piddling about with training for a while lately but want to take it to the next gear now. Thanks for the words
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: Agnostic007 on October 25, 2021, 09:04:53 PM
following.. about to hit 60 and I'm sore all the time. 6 day workout, medium intensity... live on advil.
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: djliftsthings on October 25, 2021, 09:16:51 PM
following.. about to hit 60 and I'm sore all the time. 6 day workout, medium intensity... live on advil.

same, you ever get the gut pain from it?
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: Agnostic007 on October 25, 2021, 09:19:01 PM
same, you ever get the gut pain from it?

no... I guess I've been lucky. Just the dull aches from doing exercises I did my whole life that didn't bother me until 10 years ago
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: Agnostic007 on October 25, 2021, 09:20:07 PM
I’m 61 & need more time to fully recuperate - Eating good clean healthy food mainly & some added Vits & a Good base Vit/Min supplement helps , drink plenty of water, sleep well, stay focused & positive,
I do some cardio work + stretching + Boxing & grappling .
Work Hard & Rest Hard
Good Luck  👊🏻 💪🏻

If we could turn back time..
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: illuminati on October 25, 2021, 10:33:10 PM
I take B.D.C. omega 3 and a probiotic and overall eat pretty well, I shovel down the protein, my shit food is McDonalds quarter pounder meal twice a week (dont tell pellius). I drink tons of water, but my downfall is my diet coke addiction. Ive been piddling about with training for a while lately but want to take it to the next gear now. Thanks for the words

Sounds fine 👍🏻  Nowt wrong with your cheat meals , Diet Coke 🤷🏻‍♂️ Well there are a lot worse thinks to be drinking lots of.  I’d add in  D,, zinc, & the Good Multi vit / min , Chondroitin& Glucosamine .
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: illuminati on October 25, 2021, 10:37:32 PM
following.. about to hit 60 and I'm sore all the time. 6 day workout, medium intensity... live on advil.

I’m joint pain free, only limitations I have are Damaged Triceps & Pec on left side. Able to train full bore with what many think are heavy weights + as high intensity as I can.
My occasional training partners are all 20+ years younger & can’t keep up 😂

I put it down to Madness. 😀 🤷🏻‍♂️
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 25, 2021, 10:58:22 PM
Some antioxidants may be a good idea. Reduce excessive inflammation.

Berberine might be good if really out of shape as insulin sensitivity is probably not the best.
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: Notomorrow on October 25, 2021, 11:04:26 PM
Most age related illnesses, diseases and pain come from inflammation, both local and systemic. So natural anti-inflammatories are what you want to look at. Salmon is one of the best because Omega 3 is anti-inflammatory and Salmon also is a good source of protein. Look into other proven natural anti-inflammatories as opposed to NSAID drugs like ibuprofen to control inflammation. Add moderate aerobics also, as it activates anti-inflammatory things like AMPK, a major anti-aging substance in the body.  The other thing that fights aging is reducing refined carbs and sugar. Older age is a good time to lower high glycemic carbs and even lower carbs in general. It's a balancing act as you get older, because inflammation is also what builds muscle as a response to muscle damage from heavy lifting. But focus on natural foods and nutrients that fight inflammation.  Read Jerry Brainum's work on the subject, he has researched bodybuilding and health over 50 more than anyone else.
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: MAXX on October 26, 2021, 01:15:24 AM
Simple. Increase the recovery period and lighten the poundages(more for joints). If you needed 4-5 days to recover before maybe you need 6-7 days now.

Replace some of the lifting with cardio instead. Why do you want to be "swole" in your 50's anyways. Your prioritizations should have shifted in life in general
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 26, 2021, 02:34:19 AM
Train less often. Nothing else works.
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: wes on October 26, 2021, 02:54:49 AM
I train hard and intense but with far less volume than I used to and higher reps aka lighter weight.....I also rest very briefly between sets as I almost always have which makes the lighter weight feel heavy as fuck real damn quick.......working 6 days a week but my routines take no time at all to complete.

No pink dumbells just a weights that challenges me to get said higher reps.

Train hard brother !!


Training clean also but will go on TRT oon.......inly 100mgs Test per week,
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: wes on October 26, 2021, 02:56:45 AM
My occasional training partners are all 20+ years younger & can’t keep up 😂

I put it down to Madness. 😀 🤷🏻‍♂️

Love it !!  :D

Glad you`re back posting steady again my brother.
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: IroNat on October 26, 2021, 03:43:59 AM
It takes a few weeks for your body to acclimate to a new training regimen.

Use too much too soon and you get joint pain.  Your tendons and connective tissues need time to adapt.  This takes awhile.

Your soreness will dissipate.

Reduce your volume so you can train often, like 3-5 times a week.

You don't need to do 4-5 sets of an exercise.  1-3 sets is plenty unless you are doing very low reps, then you need more.  If you can't recover reduce the volume and/or intensity.

Skip the Advil and NSAIDs unless you are injured or in so much pain you can't function, in which case you shouldn't be training.  It will mess you up by allowing you to train through injury.  It also is bad for your stomach. Tylenol is bad for your kidneys. 

If you are in so much pain you need Advil to train you need to rethink your methods.
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: _bruce_ on October 26, 2021, 04:39:34 AM
Raw butter, raw eggs and raw meat.
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Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 26, 2021, 05:01:35 AM
It takes a few weeks for your body to acclimate to a new training regimen.

Use too much too soon and you get joint pain.  Your tendons and connective tissues need time to adapt.  This takes awhile.

Your soreness will dissipate.

Reduce your volume so you can train often, like 3-5 times a week.

You don't need to do 4-5 sets of an exercise.  1-3 sets is plenty unless you are doing very low reps, then you need more.  If you can't recover reduce the volume and/or intensity.

Skip the Advil and NSAIDs unless you are injured or in so much pain you can't function, in which case you shouldn't be training.  It will mess you up by allowing you to train through injury.  It also is bad for your stomach. Tylenol is bad for your kidneys. 

If you are in so much pain you need Advil to train you need to rethink your methods.
Don't NSAIDS and Advil cause joint erosion if used before a workout?
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 26, 2021, 05:28:31 AM
Don't NSAIDS and Advil cause joint erosion if used before a workout?

I'm not aware of that but they theoretically stop muscle growth. However, there was a study in the elderly where they gained more strength/muscle if they used NSAIDs. Some who analyzed the study speculate it might have been becaause the drug allowed them to lift harder/heavier due to to the pain killing effects. Makes sense. But I wouldn't use it more than in short bursts against inflammation. I have a training partner who has been on daily diklofenac for 15 years straight. Didn't seem to hurt him althought we don't know where he might have been without it.
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: IroNat on October 26, 2021, 06:40:11 AM
WARNING: Avoid Aspirin and Ibuprofen If You Have Joint Pain!

https://losethebackpain.com/avoid-ibuprofen-with-joint-pain/
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: Taffin on October 26, 2021, 07:31:37 AM
I see a couple of guys have already mentioned Vitamin D - made an enormous difference for me (51).  Thought I was just getting old and creaky, then a blood test showed I was close to rickets! ;D

Mega dosed for a week, then took a maintenance dose from then on during the winter - got rid of 99% of my joint aches, including really painful feet in the morning
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: SweetDaddySiki on October 26, 2021, 07:59:40 AM
Hi! Do you do a split or full body? I say switch to a full body if you're not doing it and do cardio on the other days. Don't be afraid to use walking as your cardio. You'll really drop fat and won't be sore from it. Also, get creative. I'm 55 and I normally do a full body/10 exercises/3 sets of 10 routine 3 days a week and cardio the other 3 days. Sometimes if I feel I'm burning out from  the hour long weight lifting session or if I want to burn more fat, I'll split my full body in half (1st 5 exercises one day, 2nd 5 exercises the next; repeat) and do cardio daily (6 day routine). This routine's actually pretty good for me. Hope this helps!
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: IroNat on October 26, 2021, 08:54:31 AM
I decided to simplify my above advices:

Take a couple days off.
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: Hypertrophy on October 26, 2021, 09:08:15 AM
My 2 cents: common sense. If any routine or movement causes pain that lasts past slight muscle soreness, back off.


That's really about it. Better to stop short of injury or severe fatigue than try to fix it after the fact.


In my years as a competitive cyclist I have found that my greatest progress comes when I under, not over, train.
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: joswift on October 26, 2021, 09:13:18 AM
My 2 cents: common sense. If any routine or movement causes pain that lasts past slight muscle soreness, back off.


That's really about it. Better to stop short of injury or severe fatigue than try to fix it after the fact.


In my years as a competitive cyclist I have found that my greatest progress comes when I under, not over, train.

For all the talk of Dorian being the hardest trainer he seemed to me to do just enough to get the most benefit, watch his blood and guts video without the sound of that guy shouting and you will find he doesnt push that much past failure.
His chest tricep routine is pretty tame to be fair
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: wes on October 26, 2021, 09:16:57 AM
I see a couple of guys have already mentioned Vitamin D - made an enormous difference for me (51).  Thought I was just getting old and creaky, then a blood test showed I was close to rickets! ;D

Mega dosed for a week, then took a maintenance dose from then on during the winter - got rid of 99% of my joint aches, including really painful feet in the morning
One of my many doctors told me I was severely deficient in Vit. D....put me on 1.25MCG`s or 50,000 IU`s to be taken at the beggining of each week.......I feel much better.
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: Les Grossman on October 26, 2021, 09:27:02 AM
One of my many doctors told me I was severely deficient in Vit. D....put me on 1.25MCG`s or 50,000 IU`s to be taken at the beggining of each week.......I feel much better.

To have muscle soreness Bieber, you would have to have muscle.
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: Sissysquats on October 26, 2021, 09:28:28 AM
 63 here. I don’t find recovery to be any different than previous years. The one change I made thus far is to exclusively use the ez curl bar on curls, a straight bar tends to aggravate the tendon in my upper forearm by the funny bone. That’s about it. Stretch, regular consistent gym sessions and plenty of rest. I do 4 x a week 50-60 minutes who’s
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 26, 2021, 09:35:03 AM
WARNING: Avoid Aspirin and Ibuprofen If You Have Joint Pain!

https://losethebackpain.com/avoid-ibuprofen-with-joint-pain/
I thought I had read about that years ago. Using them after the workout is better if needed. It's even better to not workout hard when in pain.
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: wes on October 26, 2021, 09:43:37 AM
To have muscle soreness Bieber, you would have to have muscle.
POSTS YOUR PICS homo.  HA HA HA HA HA    ;D
Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: Les Grossman on October 26, 2021, 09:46:22 AM
POSTS YOUR PICS homo.  HA HA HA HA HA    ;D
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Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: djliftsthings on October 26, 2021, 09:56:30 AM
wowwwow some solid advice in here, thanks everyone. The advil thing is especially noteworthy. Ive been on 5000 mcg vitamin d daily for at least 10 years now, I hate to think where Id be if I wasnt

Title: Re: Recover as an Old Geezer
Post by: bhank on October 28, 2021, 04:00:43 AM
wowwwow some solid advice in here, thanks everyone. The advil thing is especially noteworthy. Ive been on 5000 mcg vitamin d daily for at least 10 years now, I hate to think where Id be if I wasnt

Advil will destroy your stomach and digestive system trust me I know. You need an anti inflammatory and obviously have Pre diabetes marijuana would address both those issues. It is an anti inflammatory with many metabolic benefits it will increase your metabolism and insulin sensitivity reduce your fasting blood sugar and help with your glucose processing