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Title: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: Matt on November 08, 2021, 07:50:14 PM
...lost one pound AFTER eating a giant meal.

[Green Kratom - I don't know the particulars, but my friend owns the Head Shop across town, and he sources good stuff]

You need to understand, I don't just lose a pound. Let alone after eating a meal that likely weighed around one pound.

I bought a 20g pack about 2-3 weeks ago, and took a few grams, then put it away.

I didn't think much of it, to be honest.

Meanwhile, this time it settled nicely, and I lost that weight.

I don't know what to make of it.

Have any unvaccinated Getbiggers tried this?

I'm just south of 180-lb in these shots, taken today:

[also - why do people make fun of B. Hanks' physique? Is 220-lb skinny now?]
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: tommywishbone on November 08, 2021, 08:01:37 PM
Wait. I thought you were a black guy. No?
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: webstar on November 08, 2021, 08:06:15 PM
...lost one pound AFTER eating a giant meal.

[Green Kratom - I don't know the particulars, but my friend owns the Head Shop across town, and he sources good stuff]

You need to understand, I don't just lose a pound. Let alone after eating a meal that likely weighed around one pound.

I bought a 20g pack about 2-3 weeks ago, and took a few grams, then put it away.

I didn't think much of it, to be honest.

Meanwhile, this time it settled nicely, and I lost that weight.

I don't know what to make of it.

Have any unvaccinated Getbiggers tried this?

I'm just south of 180-lb in these shots, taken today:

[also - why do people make fun of B. Hanks' physique? Is 220-lb skinny now?]


Why do you have so many cleaning products on your toilet.

1) toilet bowl cleaner
2) bath tub cleaner
3) windex for the mirror

at the most.. or hire a Mexican maid

you may want to train the rest of your body like back and legs.

Over developed arms.. which makes me think every pulling exercise you do, you pull with your bicep hence the lack of any back development.
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: Matt on November 08, 2021, 09:38:37 PM
I took another 2.5 grams at 10:40pm, and I'm down another 1.6-lb now.

Zero chance this is a scale discrepancy or anything else - since starting my new diet, I've been rather [extremely] meticulous at checking my weight.

I count every calorie now too, using an app called "Lose It!" [Calorie counting app].

So yeah, go figure.

Man, I've been on under 50 grams of carbs a day for the past f*cking week, and I just take some opiate knockoff and lose multiple pounds without so much as taking a piss?

Unreal.

No wonder everyone relies on drugs in this business.

For a second, I was wondering if fat-burners primarily suppress appetite. But no. Something else must be going on. As in - it's literally burning fat actively...not just making you eat less.

I literally can't eat less than I am now without being nutrient deprived at this point.
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: SOMEPARTS on November 08, 2021, 10:09:31 PM
Wait. I thought you were a black guy. No?



 ;D
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: ThisisOverload on November 08, 2021, 10:33:23 PM
I doubt it makes you lose weight, but it does reduce my appetite.

For me it just helps me relax and sleep.

I have green, white and red.

Green is supposed to give you energy, but i don't notice anything.

I can say the red makes you tired and sleep well.

Who knows, it's not studied that well yet, but i definitely haven't lost any weight from it.

Don't take it too often. I know people who had withdrawal symptoms from taking it for a few weeks.
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: Matt on November 09, 2021, 12:05:40 AM
Wait. I thought you were a black guy. No?

Canadian.  :D
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: Matt on November 09, 2021, 12:20:34 AM

Why do you have so many cleaning products on your toilet.

1) toilet bowl cleaner
2) bath tub cleaner
3) windex for the mirror

at the most.. or hire a Mexican maid

you may want to train the rest of your body like back and legs.

Over developed arms.. which makes me think every pulling exercise you do, you pull with your bicep hence the lack of any back development.

Autistic setup, I guess!

Half this stuff I don't even use. The only issue is - I hate not having it there when I need it.

My policy is usually this: if I use it once every 15 months...I'll keep it.

Regarding my legs - I have absolutely under-trained them over the years. Because I compete in u-80kg Strongman contests [about 175-lb], I generally maintain ok strength - 385x2 below parallel squats / competition form.

My back...that's just genetic though. It sucks.

Do you mind elaborating on your point there?

Do you suppose I could eliminate biceps from back by training biceps to exhaust prior to back training? Even with bad back genetics, I'd be happy to give any tips a shot.

I feel like the only good muscle group I have is delts... everything else is average of below average. My chest is the worst part [much worse than back. And I've worked my ass off on chest...I hate that my chest doesn't respond.

The only thing I haven't tried to get better pecs is to drop a my solid 5% in body fat. I feel if I could reduce my body fat by 5%, my pecs might show.

I am running the risk of getting flat though. Usually I lose too much muscle when I cut weight.

LASTLY...I have a requisition form for blood work - after that, I would be open to using something.

Even Gaspari SIZEON - excellent product. Not sure how available it is in Canada these days though.
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: AbrahamG on November 09, 2021, 12:23:00 AM
I doubt it makes you lose weight, but it does reduce my appetite.

For me it just helps me relax and sleep.

I have green, white and red.

Green is supposed to give you energy, but i don't notice anything.

I can say the red makes you tired and sleep well.

Who knows, it's not studied that well yet, but i definitely haven't lost any weight from it.

Don't take it too often. I know people who had withdrawal symptoms from taking it for a few weeks.

Guys I work with really like it.  I'm so content with my edible regimen that I just don't see a need to try it.  Yet. 
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 09, 2021, 02:17:31 AM
Twice as big as Bhanks and 40lbs lighter.
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: Van_Bilderass on November 09, 2021, 02:21:58 AM
It's a pretty bad drug. I used 500 grams over a couple of months. No withdrawals but not many positives either.

For an opiate like buzz without taking opiates try Tianeptine. It's an antidepressant that has some nice effects when dosed a bit higher. Better that Kratom at least.
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: wes on November 09, 2021, 02:41:32 AM
JUST SAY NO BRO.

Reality sucks but I no longer piss away my money,rob people, or puke on my shoes.

Kratom  LOL .....sounds like a pussy drug anyway...if you inssit on getting high, buy some good Pink Peruvian Flake Cocaine.

If I get crazy, I have a doctors precribed script for shitty generic Valium/Diazapam...........I could take the whole fucking bottle and still be an anxiety ridden tense bastard.
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: wes on November 09, 2021, 02:44:40 AM
KRATOM.................. ................what a bunch of pussies we have become........whatever happened to window pane acid + Mescaline,along with a bottle of Boones Farm Apple Wine while listening to Sabbath with a big titted blonde in a halter top...........HA HA HA HA HA HA HA  LOL  :D
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: GymnJuice on November 09, 2021, 04:59:38 AM
The cleaning supplies belong under the counter not on it.  And just get a maid to clean the grout, whatever you're doing isn't working.
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: Hypertrophy on November 09, 2021, 07:29:32 AM
Wait. I thought you were a black guy. No?


He identifies as black. Gotta stay current Tommy, lol
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: Hypertrophy on November 09, 2021, 07:32:00 AM
KRATOM.................. ................what a bunch of pussies we have become........whatever happened to window pane acid + Mescaline,along with a bottle of Boones Farm Apple Wine while listening to Sabbath with a big titted blonde in a halter top...........HA HA HA HA HA HA HA  LOL  :D


I went to college for one semester in the North Country of NY. One of the guys on my dorm floor did acid and gave me the full tour of what happened. Uh, no way. That was in the tail end era of Quaaludes too. I really couldn't understand why people took any of that shit.
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: bhank on November 09, 2021, 08:07:39 AM
Bis Tris and Shoulders look good just need more back and legs which comes with more weight. Your kratom theory makes no sense though you can't just magically lose weight taking kratom. It is supposed to be like an opiate not a stimulant but regardless shit is junk no idea why you would take that. Try legal delta 8 if you want an metabolic aid.
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: Matt on November 09, 2021, 08:15:44 AM
Thanks for any input on this.

I've trained for a long time, but I've never legitimately tried to get lean.

I feel all of this is hopeless without gear. I'd like to run something. If I do, I will be open about it. I'm not like everyone else who lives in hiding. A friend of mine did a 4.5 "transformation" to sell his personal training services on Instagram, and it was all drugs.

Below are some Ironage shots [from 2006]. I was around 192-lb here.

Van Bilderass can tell you more.  ;D

[And a hat that I plan to buy]
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: Matt on November 09, 2021, 08:19:50 AM
^ Oh shit, that last photo must have been when I was on Gaspari SIZEON. I see it in the background there.

I'm not sure if any place in Thunder Bay carries it.

Has anyone tried SizeOn since Gaspari Nutrition claimed bankruptcy? Just curious if the formula changed - if I can even get it at all here in Canada! Last I checked, nowhere in my city had it.
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: webstar on November 09, 2021, 08:28:42 AM
Bis Tris and Shoulders look good just need more back and legs which comes with more weight. Your kratom theory makes no sense though you can't just magically lose weight taking kratom. It is supposed to be like an opiate not a stimulant but regardless shit is junk no idea why you would take that. Try legal delta 8 if you want an metabolic aid.

Dont listen to this moron. He has used a cane for 20 years and is anorexic. Also, claims he was in the army but used a cane??? can you follow.. no one can.

More weight and pulling with your biceps is not going to help develop your back.

This guy is a bit of a tool but it has some pointers on execution

lastly,

https://www.svncanada.com/product/715/gaspari-sizeon



Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: bhank on November 09, 2021, 08:58:27 AM
Dont listen to this moron. He has used a cane for 20 years and is anorexic. Also, claims he was in the army but used a cane??? can you follow.. no one can.

More weight and pulling with your biceps is not going to help develop your back.

This guy is a bit of a tool but it has some pointers on execution

lastly,

https://www.svncanada.com/product/715/gaspari-sizeon



More weight as in bodymass obviously the mind muscle connection is always important but his back is bigger in the pics where he is 192lbs
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: wes on November 09, 2021, 09:28:59 AM

I went to college for one semester in the North Country of NY. One of the guys on my dorm floor did acid and gave me the full tour of what happened. Uh, no way. That was in the tail end era of Quaaludes too. I really couldn't understand why people took any of that shit.
I took if to escape extreme depresion but it never helped only worsened it.
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: Hypertrophy on November 09, 2021, 10:19:17 AM
I took if to escape extreme depresion but it never helped only worsened it.


I completely understand that. My mother suffered from depression. It's like walking death. Hard to get past.
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: ThisisOverload on November 09, 2021, 10:25:58 AM
Guys I work with really like it.  I'm so content with my edible regimen that I just don't see a need to try it.  Yet.

I'd rather take edibles but i get randomly drug tested once a year, sometimes twice.

I do have some gummies that i'll take a few times a year when i go camping or something.

Kratom just makes me relax. If you take a lot of it you get a pretty good buzz, but i don't care for that aspect of it.

THC is far superior. ;D
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on November 09, 2021, 12:09:23 PM
For a legal drug, Kratom is pretty good.  Safe and somewhat effective, although the withdrawals from dependency are no joke.

Really, it shines as an opiate replacement therapy such as Suboxone or methadone.  Its a partial agonist of the opiate receptor, meaning that it binds to the receptor and blocks other opiates from binding--such as the addict who finds himself in a moment of weakness and shoots dope.  Unlike suboxone or methadone, you can’t OD on it.  But since it is a natural substance and can’t be patented and sold for profit, it’ll never find mainstream acceptance for this purpose.  Sad!
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: Titus Pullo on November 09, 2021, 03:18:39 PM
Autistic setup, I guess!

Half this stuff I don't even use. The only issue is - I hate not having it there when I need it.

My policy is usually this: if I use it once every 15 months...I'll keep it.

Regarding my legs - I have absolutely under-trained them over the years. Because I compete in u-80kg Strongman contests [about 175-lb], I generally maintain ok strength - 385x2 below parallel squats / competition form.

My back...that's just genetic though. It sucks.

Do you mind elaborating on your point there?

Do you suppose I could eliminate biceps from back by training biceps to exhaust prior to back training? Even with bad back genetics, I'd be happy to give any tips a shot.

Ass backwards, if you'll pardon the pun :D  Even if you're using your biceps too much, they're the weak link in pulling and rowing movements.  Why make them even weaker?

Try pre-exhaustion.  A good pullover machine kicks ass.  Lacking one, straight-armed pulldowns can do a fair job of isolating the lats.  But the key is form.  More on that in a minute.

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I feel like the only good muscle group I have is delts... everything else is average of below average. My chest is the worst part [much worse than back. And I've worked my ass off on chest...I hate that my chest doesn't respond.

A.  Your pecs aren't all that bad.
B.  As I alluded, form, form, form.  I've seen footage of you benching.  It reminded me of a crazy, if nice, dude, "Walkingbeast," from the old Elite Fitness board.  I would talk about my HIT/DC hybrid training and how it worked for me.  He respectfully responded that my routine was a "warm-up" for him, a dude used to 30+ sets per body part.

Then he shared clips of his training.

He was strong, but his "sets" of 12 with 275 (or whatever) saw him bouncing the bar off his sternum so hard you could swear you heard bones breaking; combined with doing mostly bottom half reps, the TUT per set was pathetic...12 "reps" in as many seconds?

Of *course* more volume, at least in terms of sets, would be required :/ 

Incidentally, that's one big issue I have with people comparing volume and HIT, irrespective of how you define the terms in the sense of sets...namely, TUT.  The set and rep paradigm is ok for the masses, but when you get down to the brass tacks, it's more complicated.

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The only thing I haven't tried to get better pecs is to drop a my solid 5% in body fat. I feel if I could reduce my body fat by 5%, my pecs might show.

I am running the risk of getting flat though. Usually I lose too much muscle when I cut weight.

LASTLY...I have a requisition form for blood work - after that, I would be open to using something.

Even Gaspari SIZEON - excellent product. Not sure how available it is in Canada these days though.

My advice?

Train hard with better form.  Lose the brackets when you mean to, or should, use parentheticals.

Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: Hulkotron on November 09, 2021, 03:57:37 PM
Wait. I thought you were a black guy. No?

You are thinking of Matt T I think, this is Matt C.


Why do you have so many cleaning products on your toilet.

1) toilet bowl cleaner
2) bath tub cleaner
3) windex for the mirror

at the most.. or hire a Mexican maid

you may want to train the rest of your body like back and legs.

Over developed arms.. which makes me think every pulling exercise you do, you pull with your bicep hence the lack of any back development.

Matt C is not going to win any bodybuilding contests but he's a pretty strong guy.
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: wes on November 09, 2021, 04:01:57 PM
Matt C is not going to win any bodybuilding contests but he's a pretty strong guy.
Winning a bodybuilding contest plus  90 cents wont even buy you a cup of coffee.

I have a ton of trophies.....nobody knows it or would care even if they did.......even I could give a shit about most of them.

My pasion was training my ass off.....looking good was just a perk.
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: Van_Bilderass on November 10, 2021, 01:37:14 AM
What is striking about Matt's pics is his delts, particularly front delts. They are comparatively huge.

As far as his overall physique, this is how he will look regardless of his training and size. He would just get bigger overall, the proportions would remain.
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: bhank on November 10, 2021, 04:16:57 AM
What is striking about Matt's pics is his delts, particularly front delts. They are comparatively huge.

As far as his overall physique, this is how he will look regardless of his training and size. He would just get bigger overall, the proportions would remain.

That is because he is pressing with his delts he needs to take them out of the movement by rolling them back before doing presses also changing the angle from 90 to something closer to 45 degrees on his elbows will help
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: Marty Champions on November 10, 2021, 05:55:26 AM
...lost one pound AFTER eating a giant meal.

[Green Kratom - I don't know the particulars, but my friend owns the Head Shop across town, and he sources good stuff]

You need to understand, I don't just lose a pound. Let alone after eating a meal that likely weighed around one pound.

I bought a 20g pack about 2-3 weeks ago, and took a few grams, then put it away.

I didn't think much of it, to be honest.

Meanwhile, this time it settled nicely, and I lost that weight.

I don't know what to make of it.

Have any unvaccinated Getbiggers tried this?

I'm just south of 180-lb in these shots, taken today:

[also - why do people make fun of B. Hanks' physique? Is 220-lb skinny now?]
matt u got arms and delts but you have no core and no back no legs . I see no lat taper . Youve got beach muscles. If ur trying to level up you need more apple juice orange juice and grape juice. If u want to. Look more ripped u must know youre holding water and have no fat to lose, you need size
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: Van_Bilderass on November 10, 2021, 08:47:35 AM
That is because he is pressing with his delts he needs to take them out of the movement by rolling them back before doing presses also changing the angle from 90 to something closer to 45 degrees on his elbows will help

In reality, changing exercise mechanics seldom change physical proportions. The body almost always develops just the way it wants, we aren't so much sculptors at all. All we can do is avoid neglecting weak parts and see what happens.

Matt obviously has a lot of androgen receptors and many muscle fibers in his delts.
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: Matt on November 10, 2021, 08:53:35 AM
So I took 2x 2g more in the past 14 hours, and it definitely kept my CV weight off.

I bought a 25g bag, and once it's gone, I don't intend to buy more. A few of my friends have been addicted to it.

So yeah, that's that. Imagine that.

I'm pretty intrigued by it though. It makes me somewhat interested in taking ephedrine or something.

I feel like my body won't let me get much leaner than I've already been, and my stomach is a major problem area. I'd love to get to 10% body fat - but it may not genetically be in the cards at my age [if it ever was].

I'll have another 2g in a few minutes here, and report back.
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: Rascal full on November 10, 2021, 02:06:52 PM
What is striking about Matt's pics is his delts, particularly front delts. They are comparatively huge.

As far as his overall physique, this is how he will look regardless of his training and size. He would just get bigger overall, the proportions would remain.

I was gonna say Matt has good delts particularly the front delts which pop in the RDB shot.
Title: Re: Took 2.5g Kratom, and...
Post by: BossBoss on November 10, 2021, 02:36:15 PM
I took another 2.5 grams at 10:40pm, and I'm down another 1.6-lb now.

Zero chance this is a scale discrepancy or anything else - since starting my new diet, I've been rather [extremely] meticulous at checking my weight.

I count every calorie now too, using an app called "Lose It!" [Calorie counting app].

So yeah, go figure.

Man, I've been on under 50 grams of carbs a day for the past f*cking week, and I just take some opiate knockoff and lose multiple pounds without so much as taking a piss?

Unreal.

You are not crazy.
It is a side effect of Kratom and it goes both ways, i gained 9 Pounds in one Day and it scared me..

I think it is Histamin related which is a complex topic, too complex to generalize in a few sentences..

Kratom releases lots of Histamin + it has negative effects on intestinal health,
which is bad because you need a healthy bowel to dismantle Histamin.