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Title: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: IroNat on November 13, 2021, 06:23:35 AM
https://nypost.com/2021/11/12/50-years-of-predictions-that-the-climate-apocalypse-is-nigh/

“The world has to step up, and it has to step up now,” former President Barack Obama said. “When it comes to climate, time really is running out.”

Professional yeller Greta Thunberg demanded the United Nations declare a “systemwide climate emergency,” and force countries to take action.

Press accounts were similarly Chicken Little-esque. If developed nations don’t phase out oil and gas and give $100 billion in “climate financing,” Paul Behrens, professor in environmental change, told Politico that “the only fact about the future I can declare with certainty is that the world as we know it is coming to an end.”

If it all sounds slightly familiar, consider this news story from 1972...


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Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: SOMEPARTS on November 13, 2021, 06:54:40 AM
They always have a dollar amount in mind when putting this info out there and none of them can say "China".
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: oldtimer1 on November 13, 2021, 07:15:09 AM
A couple of points. Obama bought Ocean front property so he is not concerned with rising sea water.

 The climate is always changing. Look at the fish fossils in the Grand canyon.

 Climate change people are fond of saying we have the most rain in recorded history.  They leave out you have zero recorded history of the rain fall for November in 1940.

 Last point for now is the new infrastructure bill has little for true infrastructure like roads but plenty for startup democrat connected renewable energy companies that will accomplish nothing.  They never answer the question when we all have electric cars how they will be powered?  Power plants don't run on windmills and solar.  They run on coal, oil, gas and nuclear.  Further they would have to increase the number of power plants drastically and build the electrical grid necessary to handle the increased need for electricity.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: Taffin on November 13, 2021, 07:23:58 AM
Funnily enough, in the last couple of days Jordan Peterson posted an interesting take on what looked to be the scientific position on climate in 1972...

They seemed to be concerned an ice-age was on the way... brrr!❄⛄🏔

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http://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1459247759832268805 (http://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1459247759832268805)
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: OAK on November 13, 2021, 12:48:14 PM
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Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: Never1AShow on November 13, 2021, 12:51:20 PM
In the future Science will figure this out, just like always.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: Andy Griffin on November 13, 2021, 12:57:54 PM
It's just a money and power grab that only the gayest, most cucked, and most naive would actually believe.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: Mayday on November 13, 2021, 01:06:03 PM
So we have a pandemic, a decreased global supply chain and climate change out of nowhere is going to kill us.

Straight out of the sim city disaster playbook lol.

This is what makes the tin foil group look sane as the world govts are turning off energy and decreasing food output.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 13, 2021, 02:01:11 PM
It's just a money and power grab that only the gayest, most cucked, and most naive would actually believe.

💪
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: orion on November 13, 2021, 05:59:35 PM
I find it very curious that no politician or climate expert has yet to link climate change with the ever expanding human population.  I bet the planet would breath a whole lot easier with 2 or 3 billion less people in it.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: Dave D on November 13, 2021, 06:06:01 PM
I find it very curious that no politician or climate expert has yet to link climate change with the ever expanding human population.  I bet the planet would breath a whole lot easier with 2 or 3 billion less people in it.

Have you heard of the Covid19 virus?

The vaccines are even worse than the virus!
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: Primemuscle on November 13, 2021, 06:08:05 PM
A couple of points. Obama bought Ocean front property so he is not concerned with rising sea water.

 The climate is always changing. Look at the fish fossils in the Grand canyon.

 Climate change people are fond of saying we have the most rain in recorded history.  They leave out you have zero recorded history of the rain fall for November in 1940.

 Last point for now is the new infrastructure bill has little for true infrastructure like roads but plenty for startup democrat connected renewable energy companies that will accomplish nothing.  They never answer the question when we all have electric cars how they will be powered?  Power plants don't run on windmills and solar.  They run on coal, oil, gas and nuclear.  Further they would have to increase the number of power plants drastically and build the electrical grid necessary to handle the increased need for electricity.

True the climate is everchanging. Someday in the hopefully distant future, creatures will marvel at the human fossils amongst the rubble of what was once the great city of New York.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: OAK on November 13, 2021, 06:14:31 PM
I find it very curious that no politician or climate expert has yet to link climate change with the ever expanding human population.  I bet the planet would breath a whole lot easier with 2 or 3 billion less people in it.

Global warming is always someone else’s fault. It’s never the consumer (driving cars, flying in planes posting on Instagram) only the producer (big oil etc.)

Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: TheShape. on November 13, 2021, 06:16:44 PM
What melted the ice caps that are now the Great Lakes? Climate changes this is not new, these people are just after complete control of everything you do they just offer you more reasons to do it. (((Science))) is their god. But it cannot be god because science is only man and man is flawed.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: Primemuscle on November 13, 2021, 06:20:17 PM
I find it very curious that no politician or climate expert has yet to link climate change with the ever expanding human population.  I bet the planet would breath a whole lot easier with 2 or 3 billion less people in it.

Revealing this would kill the career of any politician or scientist who claimed it. In fact, it might get them stoned....and I don't mean in a good way like getting high.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: IroNat on November 13, 2021, 06:39:35 PM
Human population growth is already slowing down worldwide.

Some countries are in negative population growth, for example, China and Japan. 

The U.S. is only slightly above breaking even.  This is one reason immigration is being encouraged.

Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: The Scott on November 13, 2021, 06:58:35 PM
Only the mentally retarded of this planet are mulitplying.  Shitizens.  They need to be globally sterilizing these ambulatory assholes.   Fuck.  Cuck their dicks off and shove 'em in their mouths and leave 'em to die.  Sterilize every last one of them and let them work out their filthy days in the salt mines.

And then?
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Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on November 14, 2021, 06:55:08 AM
If the world dies. It dies. 
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 14, 2021, 09:12:00 AM
Human population growth is already slowing down worldwide.

Some countries are in negative population growth, for example, China and Japan. 

The U.S. is only slightly above breaking even.  This is one reason immigration is being encouraged.
The problem is they see depopulation as a bad thing instead of simply adjusting to a smaller population with a better standard of living for all. The responsible and intelligent have few or no kids while the ignorant masses breed like flies. Idiocracy is here.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: Sissysquats on November 14, 2021, 04:56:04 PM
Fifty years ago global cooling was all the rage
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: IroNat on November 14, 2021, 05:59:12 PM
The problem is they see depopulation as a bad thing instead of simply adjusting to a smaller population with a better standard of living for all. The responsible and intelligent have few or no kids while the ignorant masses breed like flies. Idiocracy is here.

They need taxpayers to pay for all the social programs and bureaucracies they have set up.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: tommywishbone on November 14, 2021, 06:04:44 PM
It's just a money and power grab that only the gayest, most cucked, and most naive would actually believe.

Bingo.

Just another bullshit con.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on November 16, 2021, 03:17:59 AM
It's not "nigh", it's here

California is on fire 1/2 the year, the PNW went through unprecedented record heat this summer, Texas' electric grid froze like 9 months ago.  And it will only get worse each year.  It won't be a sudden thing, things will gradually but progressively worsen

As correctly identified, politicians see it as a cash grab with no real interest in doing what it takes.  Building up a nuclear power supply to replace coal and natural gas power plants would be a great start.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 16, 2021, 04:18:11 AM
It's not "nigh", it's here

California is on fire 1/2 the year, the PNW went through unprecedented record heat this summer, Texas' electric grid froze like 9 months ago.  And it will only get worse each year.  It won't be a sudden thing, things will gradually but progressively worsen

As correctly identified, politicians see it as a cash grab with no real interest in doing what it takes.  Building up a nuclear power supply to replace coal and natural gas power plants would be a great start.
Libs would absolutely shit if nuclear power plant expansion was announced.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on November 16, 2021, 04:24:51 AM
Libs would absolutely shit if nuclear power plant expansion was announced.

Yes, they are not interested in doing what it takes, only paying lip service to the idea.

Meanwhile China is building 150+ reactors over the next 15 years.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 16, 2021, 04:49:19 AM
Yes, they are not interested in doing what it takes, only paying lip service to the idea.

Meanwhile China is building 150+ reactors over the next 15 years.
The true believers really think they can supply the whole country with energy from solar and wind. ::)
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on November 16, 2021, 04:58:34 AM
The true believers really think they can supply the whole country with energy from solar and wind. ::)

Yeah it's a nice thought but ultimately a pipe dream.  Interestingly enough, there are links between oil companies and many environmental/anti-nuclear organizations.  Unsurprising, but interesting.

What's maddening to me is Obama acting like he didn't double the US oil output--while bragging about it as recently as 3 years ago.  He truly is "The Great Deceiver"



Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 16, 2021, 06:05:53 AM
The true believers really think they can supply the whole country with energy from solar and wind. ::)

The argument they make is that solar and wind is unlimited. This is true but it’s not a concentrated source of energy like oil and the land and capital needed for windmills and solar panel is limited.

If someone is against nuclear they’re not serious about this discussion. It’s an unlimited source of energy that doesn’t emit carbon.

Even if you look at it logically, Energy is generated by agitating electrons around the shell of an atom. The “progressive” way to do this is to utilize the nucleus.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: ThisisOverload on November 16, 2021, 10:20:28 AM
It's not "nigh", it's here

California is on fire 1/2 the year, the PNW went through unprecedented record heat this summer, Texas' electric grid froze like 9 months ago.  And it will only get worse each year.  It won't be a sudden thing, things will gradually but progressively worsen

As correctly identified, politicians see it as a cash grab with no real interest in doing what it takes.  Building up a nuclear power supply to replace coal and natural gas power plants would be a great start.

How do you figure this is climate change and can be "prevented" or "fixed"?

We have only been able to measure the temperature and climate for a few hundred years. The Earth is billions of years old. We have only had accurate measurements for about 100 years. So yes, it may be "unprecedented" during the last 100-150 years.

The rest is theoretical science.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: ThisisOverload on November 16, 2021, 10:43:49 AM
The argument they make is that solar and wind is unlimited. This is true but it’s not a concentrated source of energy like oil and the land and capital needed for windmills and solar panel is limited.

If someone is against nuclear they’re not serious about this discussion. It’s an unlimited source of energy that doesn’t emit carbon.

Even if you look at it logically, Energy is generated by agitating electrons around the shell of an atom. The “progressive” way to do this is to utilize the nucleus.

I've posted many long posts about wind and solar. I worked in Energy for one of the largest companies in the world.

It's not practical anytime soon. It's more expensive to build a large wind tower than the amount of energy it produces during its life. Solar is not practical for 90% of the planet due to weather and infrastructure. It's just a good idea.

I have a rental house in Southern NM with the best solar panels money can buy. This area gets full sun over 290 days a year. It's in the middle of the desert. Still i have to be connected to the grid, but it depends on how much the a/c is turned on. Considering in the summer it gets over 105 degrees for weeks at a time, you get the point. If it gets cloudy for more than 4 days i have to pull energy from the grid. Now without air conditioning or appliances, it would last 3-4 weeks or more, which is more practical since the chances of there being no sun for that long are pretty much impossible.

I do believe we will have better methods to harvest energy in the next 50-100 years. Also better ways to use power efficiently. At some point we will not rely on fossil fuels, but not anytime soon.

Nuclear has the problem of waste disposal, which i think could be solved very quickly,
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 16, 2021, 10:54:04 AM
How do you figure this is climate change and can be "prevented" or "fixed"?

We have only been able to measure the temperature and climate for a few hundred years. The Earth is billions of years old. We have only had accurate measurements for about 100 years. So yes, it may be "unprecedented" during the last 100-150 years.

The rest is theoretical science.
The Earth being billions of years old is also theoretical science.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: ThisisOverload on November 16, 2021, 10:58:20 AM
The Earth being billions of years old is also theoretical science.

That is true, but Geology is more understood that Climatology.

But you are not wrong.

We can't even predict the weather. It's all models and simulations based on theory.

I can drill a core 1000 feet deep and tell you the classifications of soil and rock within a 99% accuracy rate.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: deadz on November 16, 2021, 12:11:43 PM
Climate change..like it will impact anyone here, get fucked with this shit.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on November 16, 2021, 12:23:52 PM
How do you figure this is climate change and can be "prevented" or "fixed"?

We have only been able to measure the temperature and climate for a few hundred years. The Earth is billions of years old. We have only had accurate measurements for about 100 years. So yes, it may be "unprecedented" during the last 100-150 years.

The rest is theoretical science.

It likely can't be fixed, Covid disabused me of any hope for that.  People are unwilling to make personal sacrifices for the greater good. 

Its out of the reach of any individual and likely incompatible with a capitalist world. There's not enough resources for the infinite growth sought after by corporations and their shareholders. Not burning oil, gas, and coal for electricity would be a great start though.  Scaling our military down (a greater emitter than most countries) and transitioning to a car-free society would also be where I'd prioritize.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on November 16, 2021, 12:26:09 PM
Climate change..like it will impact anyone here, get fucked with this shit.

Those getbiggers living in Texas and the west coast have been impacted just this last year

It won't be a sudden apocalypse where you can say "ah yes, climate change is in effect" .. just year after year getting progressively worse
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: Rambone on November 16, 2021, 12:32:16 PM
It's just a money and power grab that only the gayest, most cucked, and most naive would actually believe.

Well said
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: ThisisOverload on November 16, 2021, 12:36:46 PM
There's not enough resources for the infinite growth sought after by corporations and their shareholders. Not burning oil, gas, and coal for electricity would be a great start though.  Scaling our military down (a greater emitter than most countries) and transitioning to a car-free society would also be where I'd prioritize.

I agree with you 100%.

We are going to run out of fresh water first.

Very few people talk about that.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: deadz on November 16, 2021, 02:35:24 PM
It likely can't be fixed, Covid disabused me of any hope for that.  People are unwilling to make personal sacrifices for the greater good. 

Its out of the reach of any individual and likely incompatible with a capitalist world. There's not enough resources for the infinite growth sought after by corporations and their shareholders. Not burning oil, gas, and coal for electricity would be a great start though.  Scaling our military down (a greater emitter than most countries) and transitioning to a car-free society would also be where I'd prioritize.
Outed…Lib, willing to sacrifice his family for the greater good. I’m sure there is a space in heaven waiting for you…lol.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: honest on November 16, 2021, 03:39:36 PM
The earths climate has been changing since the beginning of time, I'm not saying creating carbon emissions is a good thing and it should be phased out or minimised where possible, but for human beings to think that they are overly influencing climate change in 200 years or so of industrialisation is nonsense.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: Mayday on November 19, 2021, 02:01:56 AM
The true believers really think they can supply the whole country with energy from solar and wind. ::)

Absolutely you can…..

Just don’t have 1 person driving a 2.5T car to and from work each day.

Don’t have people discarding every electronic device every 12 months to upgrade.

The wastage we have is crazy. Why do you think they are shutting down power plants and sending energy prices souring? It’s to drastically reduce consumption of everything and this of course will hit fast food places particularly hard. I can already buy good quality food from a cafe cheaper than I can from a meal from Maccas.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: tommywishbone on November 19, 2021, 02:11:01 AM
 Man made global warming. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Even a stupider bullshit story than Covid.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 19, 2021, 02:38:39 AM
Absolutely you can…..

Just don’t have 1 person driving a 2.5T car to and from work each day.

Don’t have people discarding every electronic device every 12 months to upgrade.

The wastage we have is crazy. Why do you think they are shutting down power plants and sending energy prices souring? It’s to drastically reduce consumption of everything and this of course will hit fast food places particularly hard. I can already buy good quality food from a cafe cheaper than I can from a meal from Maccas.
You are only thinking about the individual and the energy they consume. All of the products we buy like food, clothing, perishable items, building materials, nick nacks, etc,etc, use enormous amounts of energy to produce that soalr and wind energy can not begin to supply.

If the Green New Deal was passed we would have to take our lifestyles back to the 19th Century.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: Slapper on November 19, 2021, 02:46:21 AM
It's not "nigh", it's here

California is on fire 1/2 the year, the PNW went through unprecedented record heat this summer, Texas' electric grid froze like 9 months ago.  And it will only get worse each year.  It won't be a sudden thing, things will gradually but progressively worsen

As correctly identified, politicians see it as a cash grab with no real interest in doing what it takes.  Building up a nuclear power supply to replace coal and natural gas power plants would be a great start.

"Unprecedented"? How do you know? The first weather station in California was installed in 1928. And 95% of the weather stations in California were installed within the past 25 years.

Where does all this "the highest on record" or "the hottest in the history of the state" or "unprecedented" come from?

Let's be real here: THEY DO NOT KNOW. Climate alarmists are selling the climate change bull shit story because they want the public, via huge tax increases, to finance the switch out of oil and coal.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: Slapper on November 19, 2021, 02:47:33 AM
The earths climate has been changing since the beginning of time, I'm not saying creating carbon emissions is a good thing and it should be phased out or minimised where possible, but for human beings to think that they are overly influencing climate change in 200 years or so of industrialisation is nonsense.

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Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: IroNat on November 19, 2021, 04:25:37 AM
High gas prices will hurt pickup truck sales...the number 1 vehicle for some car companies.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 19, 2021, 05:20:34 AM
"Unprecedented"? How do you know? The first weather station in California was installed in 1928. And 95% of the weather stations in California were installed within the past 25 years.

Where does all this "the highest on record" or "the hottest in the history of the state" or "unprecedented" come from?

Let's be real here: THEY DO NOT KNOW. Climate alarmists are selling the climate change bull shit story because they want the public, via huge tax increases, to finance the switch out of oil and coal.

We have a winner 🏆
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 19, 2021, 05:23:49 AM
It likely can't be fixed, Covid disabused me of any hope for that.  People are unwilling to make personal sacrifices for the greater good. 

Its out of the reach of any individual and likely incompatible with a capitalist world. There's not enough resources for the infinite growth sought after by corporations and their shareholders. Not burning oil, gas, and coal for electricity would be a great start though.  Scaling our military down (a greater emitter than most countries) and transitioning to a car-free society would also be where I'd prioritize.

😂😂😂😂😂

You don’t really believe this bullshit, do you? Funny how all of the “sacrifices” always benefit the financial and medical establishment.

Ironically, Covid robbed me of hope as well. Mainly because of how many gullible morons there are out there who buy into the endless lies we’ve be peddled the last two years.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 19, 2021, 05:32:30 AM
Outed…Lib, willing to sacrifice his family for the greater good. I’m sure there is a space in heaven waiting for you…lol.
Proud Virgin surely has a dog eared copy of Das Capital which he regularly references.
Title: Re: 50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh
Post by: Super Natural on November 19, 2021, 05:52:29 AM
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