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Truly maddening and sick. There have been dozens of similar lawsuits across the USA, in most cases the patients recovered. Dana White has covid and reached out to Joe Rogan for his Ivermectin protocol. He will likely recover in a week. As was the case for the 40 to 50 other people who reached out to Rogan for advice. Big tech, Big Pharma, MSM and the Dems continue to censor any discussion of Ivermectin while Pfizer rushes out their patented version of the drug. Ivermectin is essentially free, the Pfizer drug will cost upwards of $800 per patient. Disgusting, greedy and stupid.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/dying-covid-19-patient-recovers-after-court-orders-hospital-administer-ivermectin>
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Truly maddening and sick. There have been dozens of similar lawsuits across the USA, in most cases the patients recovered. Dana White has covid and reached out to Joe Rogan for his Ivermectin protocol. He will likely recover in a week. As was the case for the 40 to 50 other people who reached out to Rogan for advice. Big tech, Big Pharma, MSM and the Dems continue to censor any discussion of Ivermectin while Pfizer rushes out their patented version of the drug. Ivermectin is essentially free, the Pfizer drug will cost upwards of $800 per patient. Disgusting, greedy and stupid.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/dying-covid-19-patient-recovers-after-court-orders-hospital-administer-ivermectin>
If the hospital gave him that and he died , then they can be held liable. They can just have him discharged and moved to another facility
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He was dying without it. Ivermectin has 40 years of history and is regarded as extremely safe. Not administering a drug with a 40-year safety history totally negates the Dying Patients Right to Try. The family offered to sign a waiver removing the hospital from any liability. This is all about greed and control.
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Link is dead. Censorship must be real.
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Refreshed Link
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/dying-covid-19-patient-recovers-after-court-orders-hospital-administer-ivermectin
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He was dying without it. Ivermectin has 40 years of history and is regarded as extremely safe. Not administering a drug with a 40-year safety history totally negates the Dying Patients Right to Try. The family offered to sign a waiver removing the hospital from any liability. This is all about greed and control.
Ivermetin used in used in humans for parasites. No, I'm not taking about vet grade horse de-wormer.
In many poor , rural 3rd world countries, disease from pest infestation is a real problem .
Ivermectin is used to treat the parasite.
However, it's NOT an anti-viral and would be useless in treating a virus based illness like Covid.
Giving Ivermectic to treat Covid is like changing a tire when the car is out of gas.
FYI, the vast majority infected with Covid , recover and don't die from it .
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If the hospital gave him that and he died , then they can be held liable. They can just have him discharged and moved to another facility
But if a hospital gave him the vaccine they wouldn’t be held liable if he died….
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Ivermetin used in used in humans for parasites. No, I'm not taking about vet grade horse de-wormer.
In many poor , rural 3rd world countries, disease from pest infestation is a real problem .
Ivermectin is used to treat the parasite.
However, it's NOT an anti-viral and would be useless in treating a virus based illness like Covid.
Giving Ivermectic to treat Covid is like changing a tire when the car is out of gas.
FYI, the vast majority infected with Covid , recover and don't die from it .
Logical responses like yours and mine are a waste of time and energy among the illogical vocal majority on Getbig.
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Ivermetin used in used in humans for parasites. No, I'm not taking about vet grade horse de-wormer.
In many poor , rural 3rd world countries, disease from pest infestation is a real problem .
Ivermectin is used to treat the parasite.
However, it's NOT an anti-viral and would be useless in treating a virus based illness like Covid.
Giving Ivermectic to treat Covid is like changing a tire when the car is out of gas.
FYI, the vast majority infected with Covid , recover and don't die from it .
It actually has been used as an antiviral but don't let facts get in the way.
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Howard, with all due respect you are not a doctor. Check out the FLCCC website. These doctors have treated tens of thousands of Covid patients with their protocol that uses Ivermectin as a main drug. The new Pfizer drug has a pharmacological approach very similar to Ivermectin. Since Ivermectin is essentially free and has 40 years of safe use history it makes no sense to censor news about its use. Google Drs Pierre Kory and Paul Marek.
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One more thing before I leave for more productive pursuits look at the Covid numbers in Japan before and after they made Ivermectin available. Dr. Jack Campbell has an interesting breakdown that may still be up on You Tube if they haven't already pulled it.
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Howard, with all due respect you are not a doctor. Check out the FLCCC website. These doctors have treated tens of thousands of Covid patients with their protocol that uses Ivermectin as a main drug. The new Pfizer drug has a pharmacological approach very similar to Ivermectin. Since Ivermectin is essentially free and has 40 years of safe use history it makes no sense to censor news about its use. Google Drs Pierre Kory and Paul Marek.
Wrong Jsback, Howard is well versed on ivermectin and vaccines. He obviously knows more than you or I because he is getting his information directly from the CDC. I dont know why it's so hard to understand he is more of an expert of this topic. He and his wife have been vaccinated. What else is there to know?
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It actually has been used as an antiviral but don't let facts get in the way.
it is a medication used for some human maladies but hasn't been shown to be effective for covid. The risks outweigh the benefits
Why is it ok that laypeople are allowed to overrule the trained professionals?
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If you wanna take ivermectin on your own time, fine whatever. But the rules are a little different when you're being cared for in the hospital
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it is a medication used for some human maladies but hasn't been shown to be effective for covid. The risks outweigh the benefits
Why is it ok that laypeople are allowed to overrule the trained professionals?
The trained professionals are paid by the companies making the vaccines. I wouldn't trust them at all.
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it is a medication used for some human maladies but hasn't been shown to be effective for covid. The risks outweigh the benefits
Why is it ok that laypeople are allowed to overrule the trained professionals?
Which laypeople are overruling the professionals?
Are you talking about this case where a man had the courts step in so he could take a horse medication and it literally saved his life?
Has ivermectiin routinely been used against doctors orders? Or was it useful in the case referenced above? Do you think the man mentioned should have died because ivermectiin wasn't going to work or was it a case of a placebo effect where the man willed himself better?
Dont worry Pfizer is rebranding this ineffective product then it will be safe to use.
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The trained professionals are paid by the companies making the vaccines. I wouldn't trust them at all.
if you suffered a heart attack or a stroke or a broken leg, you'd place your health in the hands of doctors. You likely trust them for 90% of health issues, why draw the line here?
Also - what do hospital doctors have to do with vaccines given in an outpatient setting? Do you think the efficacy of Ivermectin says anything about the safety or efficacy of the vaccines?
Every medical professional i know of was in praying that hcq, ivermectin, or some other inexpensive, widely available oral medication would prove beneficial. Even a small degree of protection would save many lives across populations. But the efficacy just hasn't been there. The conspiracies with the pharma companies involve lobbying & bankrolling politicians to pass favorable legislation. See the inability of Medicare to negotiate drug prices, for one. I just don't see your theory as plausible.
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It's called "standard of care" which means the accepted/approved treatment.
By observing SOC the doctor/hospital cannot be sued.
The insurers require the observing of SOC.
This is why they won't do unapproved treatments.
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Howard, with all due respect you are not a doctor. Check out the FLCCC website. These doctors have treated tens of thousands of Covid patients with their protocol that uses Ivermectin as a main drug. The new Pfizer drug has a pharmacological approach very similar to Ivermectin. Since Ivermectin is essentially free and has 40 years of safe use history it makes no sense to censor news about its use. Google Drs Pierre Kory and Paul Marek.
Front Line COVID Critical Care Alliance is a small group of doctors and journalist created in 2020 who advocate for unproven and often ineffective treatments and supplements for COVID-19. While The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was created in 1946. It is a United States federal agency, under the Department of Health and Human Services. Joseph Walter Mountin MD founder of the CDC began a career in science in 1917. CDC has more than 1700 scientists, working in more than 200 cutting-edge laboratories across the U.S. from Atlanta to Spokane, to Ft Collins, to Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Morgantown, Anchorage, and San Juan. The CDC employs more than 21,000 full-time employees and contractors in 170 different occupations and has workers in all 50 states and in more than 50 countries. I'll go with an scientific organization which has been around for 75 years and has an international presence over one create after the COVID-19 pandemic began.
Check out this article about the FLCCC, https://time.com/6092368/americas-frontline-doctors-covid-19-misinformation/
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if you suffered a heart attack or a stroke or a broken leg, you'd place your health in the hands of doctors. You likely trust them for 90% of health issues, why draw the line here?
Also - what do hospital doctors have to do with vaccines given in an outpatient setting? Do you think the efficacy of Ivermectin says anything about the safety or efficacy of the vaccines?
Every medical professional i know of was in praying that hcq, ivermectin, or some other inexpensive, widely available oral medication would prove beneficial. Even a small degree of protection would save many lives across populations. But the efficacy just hasn't been there. The conspiracies with the pharma companies involve lobbying & bankrolling politicians to pass favorable legislation. See the inability of Medicare to negotiate drug prices, for one. I just don't see your theory as plausible.
Bro you make great points and then discredit yourself with the line you likely trust them for 90% of your medical issues. Obviously in the case referenced this is an example where the patient was correct to request the non recommended or approved treatment.
As far as the bolded section:
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/pharmacy/big-pharma-spent-a-record-92m-on-lobbying-in-q1-for-what.html#:~:text=The%20pharmaceutical%20lobby%20spends%20more,during%20the%20same%20time%20period.
I guess you need to ask yourself what you really believe; are pharmaceutical companies interested in making people well or the bottom line? Do politicians really stand for people or do they get corrupted by power and money?
If you think big pharma is making decisions for the benefit of the people than there is no information that will be shared that you wont think it's a "conspiracy theory ".
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Wrong Jsback, Howard is well versed on ivermectin and vaccines. He obviously knows more than you or I because he is getting his information directly from the CDC. I dont know why it's so hard to understand he is more of an expert of this topic. He and his wife have been vaccinated. What else is there to know?
Hahaha I fucking Love Dave d posts
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Wrong Jsback, Howard is well versed on ivermectin and vaccines. He obviously knows more than you or I because he is getting his information directly from the CDC. I dont know why it's so hard to understand he is more of an expert of this topic. He and his wife have been vaccinated. What else is there to know?
Howard is the definition of a smuck.
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Hahaha I fucking Love Dave d posts
Thank you sir, the feelings are mutual.
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Ivermetin used in used in humans for parasites. No, I'm not taking about vet grade horse de-wormer.
In many poor , rural 3rd world countries, disease from pest infestation is a real problem .
Ivermectin is used to treat the parasite.
However, it's NOT an anti-viral and would be useless in treating a virus based illness like Covid.
Giving Ivermectic to treat Covid is like changing a tire when the car is out of gas.
FYI, the vast majority infected with Covid , recover and don't die from it .
Spare us the lectures you dumb fucking twat. The research is clear- to anyone but a simian like you:
(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8203399/bin/41429_2021_430_Fig1_HTML.jpg)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8203399/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8203399/)
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Ivermetin used in used in humans for parasites. No, I'm not taking about vet grade horse de-wormer.
In many poor , rural 3rd world countries, disease from pest infestation is a real problem .
Ivermectin is used to treat the parasite.
However, it's NOT an anti-viral and would be useless in treating a virus based illness like Covid.
Giving Ivermectic to treat Covid is like changing a tire when the car is out of gas.
FYI, the vast majority infected with Covid , recover and don't die from it .
ASS FACE LOSER
It's called off label usage and there are TONS of drugs they do this with
Go change sleepy joes diapers
FJB and Howie
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The trained professionals are paid by the companies making the vaccines. I wouldn't trust them at all.
Yup, it's a damn conspiracy they don't allow witch doctors and faith healers in with the RN's and MD's ::)
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He was dying without it. Ivermectin has 40 years of history and is regarded as extremely safe. Not administering a drug with a 40-year safety history totally negates the Dying Patients Right to Try. The family offered to sign a waiver removing the hospital from any liability. This is all about greed and control.
Ok on a serious note, here's the real deal.
If you or anyone else wants to self treat with their own methods, fine.
STAY home and use leaches or magic herbs you desire.
However, IF you go to a hospital, expect them to use accepted medical treatment.
IF, the person with covid doesn't want that kind of medical treatment, why do they go to a hospital?
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Ok on a serious note, here's the real deal.
If you or anyone else wants to self treat with their own methods, fine.
STAY home and use leaches or magic herbs you desire.
However, IF you go to a hospital, expect them to use accepted medical treatment.
IF, the person with covid doesn't want that kind of medical treatment, why do they go to a hospital?
Did you miss the part where the horse de wormer saved his life AFTER the accepted treatment did not work?
The veterinary drug saved his life. Do you think it's because the patient was a centaur?
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Did you miss the part where the horse de wormer saved his life AFTER the accepted treatment did not work?
The veterinary drug saved his life. Do you think it's because the patient was a centaur?
Most of those who get covid will recover and NOT die.
There is NO legit study in any recognized medical journal showing ivermectin has any measured efficacy in treating covid.
In humans, it's used for treatment on parasite infestation .
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Howard, with all due respect you are not a doctor. Check out the FLCCC website. These doctors have treated tens of thousands of Covid patients with their protocol that uses Ivermectin as a main drug. The new Pfizer drug has a pharmacological approach very similar to Ivermectin. Since Ivermectin is essentially free and has 40 years of safe use history it makes no sense to censor news about its use. Google Drs Pierre Kory and Paul Marek.
It's NOT used for covid treatment in any hospital or certified medical clinic .
The new Pfizer covid pill is an anti-viral and invermectin is used in humans for parasites. BIG difference.
What you're peddling is like saying , do curls to stimulate leg growth.
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Most of those who get covid will recover and NOT die.
You should have shared this information with the guy who’s family got the court order to save his life with the unapproved treatment of ivermectin.
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It actually has been used as an antiviral but don't let facts get in the way.
This x2. You have two old fags like a Howard and Prime jerking off to something they have no clue about.
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This x2. You have two old fags like a Howard and Prime jerking off to something they have no clue about.
WTF? :o I'm an expert on jerkin' my gerkin.
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This x2. You have two old fags like a Howard and Prime jerking off to something they have no clue about.
Neither, I believe are practicing homosexuals. One is latent the latter is dormant.
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Fucking idiots do no research in this thread.
Ivermectin does have anti viral properties. It's been administered over a billion times and the adverse effects numbers are less than 50.
It may or may not help covid, but it is a risk free proposition to try it. They utilized it in z packs throughout India during the d variant run.
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So ANTIVAXXERS won’t take the vaccine because they don’t want any “chemicals” in their body but they’ll pump themselves full of Ivermectin???
This makes NO sense!
🙄🙄🙄
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So called "vaccine" was developed on the basis of data regarding the virus provided by the chinese government. No other real vaccine has as many side effects and deaths as this jab and this is considering the minimum amount of actual cases being reported at all.
It is still in experiment mode and you are the test bunny.
Ivermectin on the other hand has a history of credibility shown by statistics and low risks involved. But it is too cheap and anyone can produce it hence it is unwanted since there is no money to be made for the big boys.
Keep fooling yourself and abide by the rules of politicians, actors and media instead of looking at facts and listening to opposition in the science sphere...
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Yup, it's a damn conspiracy they don't allow witch doctors and faith healers in with the RN's and MD's ::)
You are ignoring the very respected medical professionals on the opposite side of the argument. This is understandable since they are banned from social media, Youtube and the MSM. No debate, just banned.
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Most of those who get covid will recover and NOT die.
There is NO legit study in any recognized medical journal showing ivermectin has any measured efficacy in treating covid.
In humans, it's used for treatment on parasite infestation .
Logical responses like yours and mine are a waste of time and energy among the illogical vocal majority on Getbig.
Gentlemen.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8054936/
This was just the first result from a google of 'ivermectin 3cl inhibitor.' There's lots.
You're allowed to be in favor of shots as well as ivermectin, you understand. It's ok.
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Gentlemen.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8054936/
This was just the first result from a google of 'ivermectin 3cl inhibitor.' There's lots.
You're allowed to be in favor of shots as well as ivermectin, you understand. It's ok.
First line:
Ivermectin (IVM) is an FDA-approved drug that has shown antiviral activity against a wide variety of viruses in recent years.
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So called "vaccine" was developed on the basis of data regarding the virus provided by the chinese government. No other real vaccine has as many side effects and deaths as this jab and this is considering the minimum amount of actual cases being reported at all.
It is still in experiment mode and you are the test bunny.
Ivermectin on the other hand has a history of credibility shown by statistics and low risks involved. But it is too cheap and anyone can produce it hence it is unwanted since there is no money to be made for the big boys.
Keep fooling yourself and abide by the rules of politicians, actors and media instead of looking at facts and listening to opposition in the science sphere...
The 1st 2 covid vaccines were rigorously derived via messenger RNA .
The "spike" on the covid 19 molecule , is protein based with an amino acid sequence.
The rapid release of the covid 19 DNA sequence allowed scientists to develop
the mRNA sequence that could attack the protein spike and render it harmless.
Trials for these mRNA vaccines were done with thousands of test volunteers in a
double blind study . The results were reviewed several times via medical experts and
medical boards.
The safety and efficacy of these initial covid vaccines have been proven safe and effective.
They have already been in bodies of several million people worldwide.
Ivermectin is NOT an anti-viral and has no direct impact on the covid-19 virus.
It's use in humans is strictly for pest infestation.
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Ivermectin is NOT an anti-viral and has no direct impact on the covid-19 virus.
It's use in humans is strictly for pest infestation.
This is why people think you're oak = you just ignore data presented and post the same things.
It does have anti viral properties, and is a risk free proposition.
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This is why people think you're oak = you just ignore data presented and post the same things.
It does have anti viral properties, and is a risk free proposition.
An antivaxxer claiming someone else is ignoring data?
How ironic.
😆
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Just a guess based on the timing of the post above, but someone should remind Oak how the ignore feature works.
But I'm sure it was insightful..... ::) ::) ::) ::)
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When talking about this drug as it relates to medicine in general… one must understand a few things first:
1. Modern science isn’t the science of the past. Modern science is infested, INFESTED, with group think, collaborative groups and other consensus-driven protocols. TRUE science isn’t based on consensus. True science is based on exhausting all iterations to someone’s thesis and proving that you cannot prove the opposite. You don’t need to know the guy, don’t need to suck his cock or pork his wife.
2. If the effectiveness of a drug isn’t within the 95% distribution bell, it’s considered to need “more testing.” Which is legalese for “it’s good to go but I don’t want to get sued if you grow a second penis when you take the pill.
I think Ivermectin is a good example of 1 & 2. On the one hand, lots of people use it and rave about it and on the the other hand, the field of medicine is throwing caution to the wind. This is the problem: if you have the God-given receptors for Ivermectin, do you really give flying fuck that the field of medicine hasn’t put its stamp of approval on the drug?
It’s all getting stupid beyond belief. Just today, CNN were criticizing people who use the drug because “we don’t know what the effects are,” WHICH IS A FUCKING LIE, and that the side effects could be bad. Cut to commercials and boom: Cialis commercial in which half of the talking points are about its side effects. The field of medicine is a fucking joke.
General medicine, as a field, is not scientific at all. You have a head ache? Advil. Your foot hurts? Advil. Anything general as it pertains to health just fucking sucks. That’s why, when you develop something really nasty they quickly refer you to a specialist (meaning a a REAL doctor).
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When talking about this drug as it relates to medicine in general… one must understand a few things first:
1. Modern science isn’t the science of the past. Modern science is infested, INFESTED, with group think, collaborative groups and other consensus-driven protocols. TRUE science isn’t based on consensus. True science is based on exhausting all iterations to someone’s thesis and proving that you cannot prove the opposite. You don’t need to know the guy, don’t need to suck his cock or pork his wife.
2. If the effectiveness of a drug isn’t within the 95% distribution bell, it’s considered to need “more testing.” Which is legalese for “it’s good to go but I don’t want to get sued if you grow a second penis when you take the pill.
I think Ivermectin is a good example of 1 & 2. On the one hand, lots of people use it and rave about it and on the the other hand, the field of medicine is throwing caution to the wind. This is the problem: if you have the God-given receptors for Ivermectin, do you really give flying fuck that the field of medicine hasn’t put its stamp of approval on the drug?
It’s all getting stupid beyond belief. Just today, CNN were criticizing people who use the drug because “we don’t know what the effects are,” WHICH IS A FUCKING LIE, and that the side effects could be bad. Cut to commercials and boom: Cialis commercial in which half of the talking points are about its side effects. The field of medicine is a fucking joke.
General medicine, as a field, is not scientific at all. You have a head ache? Advil. Your foot hurts? Advil. Anything general as it pertains to health just fucking sucks. That’s why, when you develop something really nasty they quickly refer you to a specialist (meaning a a REAL doctor).
Ok, fair enough.
Are you suggesting, modern medicine is rife with corruption and near useless in treating disease?
Do you really believe we're better off to do our own research and treat ourselves ?
If that's your actual position , that's fine and our debate ends .
Your side can simply go it alone, and treat themselves at home by their own means.
If that's what you advocate, you'll get no argument from me.
However, IF you decide to access medical care in a hospital, it's a different situation.
By checking in , you agree to allow them to treat you.
Now, the medical profession allows you to REFUSE various treatments .
For example, a Jehovah Witness may refuse a blood transfusion.
They have a signed waiver of damages for the medical staff .
If they die , they can't sue the hospital for malpractice or wrongful death.
What you CAN'T do, is tell the medical staff to treat with an unapproved drug or procedure.
This is exactly what the family tried to do ,in this posted case.
Since they didn't agree with the hospital's treatment, it was their right to check him out.
He survived with their home treatment. That was the best possible result.
However, the hospital is required to use proven , accepted treatments or they get sued for malpractice.
I'm NOT saying the medical field is perfect and always gets the best possible result.
So, what's the alternative ? I believe you're advocating using our own research and treatment.
Sounds tempting and promotes independence, which is admirable .
So, the next time you read some "research" about Ivermectin or new miracle cure, consider:
* Will they be responsible for any problems that arise from using it ?
THAT cuts to the real deal. The medical field is accountable to its patients .
The miracle potion folks don't take responsibility for problems and say ..." You're on your own"
It's a lot easier to shout about being right, when they're no consequences for being wrong.
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Ok, fair enough.
Are you suggesting, modern medicine is rife with corruption and near useless in treating disease?
Do you really believe we're better off to do our own research and treat ourselves ?
If that's your actual position , that's fine and our debate ends .
Your side can simply go it alone, and treat themselves at home by their own means.
If that's what you advocate, you'll get no argument from me.
However, IF you decide to access medical care in a hospital, it's a different situation.
By checking in , you agree to allow them to treat you.
Now, the medical profession allows you to REFUSE various treatments .
For example, a Jehovah Witness may refuse a blood transfusion.
They have a signed waiver of damages for the medical staff .
If they die , they can't sue the hospital for malpractice or wrongful death.
What you CAN'T do, is tell the medical staff to treat with an unapproved drug or procedure.
This is exactly what the family tried to do ,in this posted case.
Since they didn't agree with the hospital's treatment, it was their right to check him out.
He survived with their home treatment. That was the best possible result.
However, the hospital is required to use proven , accepted treatments or they get sued for malpractice.
I'm NOT saying the medical field is perfect and always gets the best possible result.
So, what's the alternative ? I believe you're advocating using our own research and treatment.
Sounds tempting and promotes independence, which is admirable .
So, the next time you read some "research" about Ivermectin or new miracle cure, consider:
* Will they be responsible for any problems that arise from using it ?
THAT cuts to the real deal. The medical field is accountable to its patients .
The miracle potion folks don't take responsibility for problems and say ..." You're on your own"
It's a lot easier to shout about being right, when they're no consequences for being wrong.
Why might an approved drug be used for an unapproved use?
From the FDA perspective, once the FDA approves a drug, healthcare providers generally may prescribe the drug for an unapproved use when they judge that it is medically appropriate for their patient.
https://www.fda.gov/patients/learn-about-expanded-access-and-other-treatment-options/understanding-unapproved-use-approved-drugs-label
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In my opinion your getting lost in the proverbial weeds here and missing the main issue.
Yes, it's true , special situations require a "fast track" to treat some patients .
( Again) The licensed docs and hospitals are responsible for any problems that may occur from treatments & procedures.
On line medical advice via web sites and social media with some miracle potion sales doesn't adhere to the same regulations.
They simply say ; " It's YOUR choice" which means if things go bad, you're on your own.
...so you may need to go to the hospital ER ;)
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In my opinion your getting lost in the proverbial weeds here and missing the main issue.
Yes, it's true , special situations require a "fast track" to treat some patients .
( Again) The licensed docs and hospitals are responsible for any problems that may occur from treatments & procedures.
On line medical advice via web sites and social media with some miracle potion sales doesn't adhere to the same regulations.
They simply say ; " It's YOUR choice" which means if things go bad, you're on your own.
...so you may need to go to the hospital ER ;)
To sum up all these posts, ask your doctor.
But here’s why they should tell what I believe.
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Ok, fair enough.
Are you suggesting, modern medicine is rife with corruption and near useless in treating disease?
Do you really believe we're better off to do our own research and treat ourselves ?
If that's your actual position , that's fine and our debate ends .
Your side can simply go it alone, and treat themselves at home by their own means.
If that's what you advocate, you'll get no argument from me.
However, IF you decide to access medical care in a hospital, it's a different situation.
By checking in , you agree to allow them to treat you.
Now, the medical profession allows you to REFUSE various treatments .
For example, a Jehovah Witness may refuse a blood transfusion.
They have a signed waiver of damages for the medical staff .
If they die , they can't sue the hospital for malpractice or wrongful death.
What you CAN'T do, is tell the medical staff to treat with an unapproved drug or procedure.
This is exactly what the family tried to do ,in this posted case.
Since they didn't agree with the hospital's treatment, it was their right to check him out.
He survived with their home treatment. That was the best possible result.
However, the hospital is required to use proven , accepted treatments or they get sued for malpractice.
I'm NOT saying the medical field is perfect and always gets the best possible result.
So, what's the alternative ? I believe you're advocating using our own research and treatment.
Sounds tempting and promotes independence, which is admirable .
So, the next time you read some "research" about Ivermectin or new miracle cure, consider:
* Will they be responsible for any problems that arise from using it ?
THAT cuts to the real deal. The medical field is accountable to its patients .
The miracle potion folks don't take responsibility for problems and say ..." You're on your own"
It's a lot easier to shout about being right, when they're no consequences for being wrong.
There isn’t such a thing as “modern medicine.” What you have is general medicine, which is utter shit and “specialist medicine,” which is the real deal. Even the medications have eerily similar ingredients. It’s an extortion racket.
Where the difference lies is in that general medicine practitioners hide behind the science AS IF that gives their profession more credibility. They even have the audacity to criticize PROVEN methods like acupuncture or alternative therapies.
It’s madness.
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In my opinion your getting lost in the proverbial weeds here and missing the main issue.
Yes, it's true , special situations require a "fast track" to treat some patients .
( Again) The licensed docs and hospitals are responsible for any problems that may occur from treatments & procedures.
On line medical advice via web sites and social media with some miracle potion sales doesn't adhere to the same regulations.
They simply say ; " It's YOUR choice" which means if things go bad, you're on your own.
...so you may need to go to the hospital ER ;)
I never miss the main point, and I also always respond.
You have stated multiple times that Ivermectin doesn't have anti-viral capabilities, which is completely wrong. Evidence has been posted which you ignore.
Then you said doctors have to prescribe approved meds only, which is wrong as well.
But yes, there is liability to consider. So doctors will play the percentages, and the %s say Ivermectin is risk free. If you do your research, you'd see that the number of adverse effects from ivermectin is almost zero compared to over a billion prescriptions.
And to reiterate, it may or may not have any effect. Reluctance to try it is more likely due to it being politicized rather than math, but that's not the point of the discussion.
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The 1st 2 covid vaccines were rigorously derived via messenger RNA .
The "spike" on the covid 19 molecule , is protein based with an amino acid sequence.
The rapid release of the covid 19 DNA sequence allowed scientists to develop
the mRNA sequence that could attack the protein spike and render it harmless.
Trials for these mRNA vaccines were done with thousands of test volunteers in a
double blind study . The results were reviewed several times via medical experts and
medical boards.
The safety and efficacy of these initial covid vaccines have been proven safe and effective.
They have already been in bodies of several million people worldwide.
Ivermectin is NOT an anti-viral and has no direct impact on the covid-19 virus.
It's use in humans is strictly for pest infestation.
You realize next to Shizzo - you are despised here on this site?
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You realize next to Shizzo - you are despised here on this site?
Don’t have to think too hard as to why Howard’s father committed suicide.
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I never miss the main point, and I also always respond.
You have stated multiple times that Ivermectin doesn't have anti-viral capabilities, which is completely wrong. Evidence has been posted which you ignore.
Then you said doctors have to prescribe approved meds only, which is wrong as well.
But yes, there is liability to consider. So doctors will play the percentages, and the %s say Ivermectin is risk free. If you do your research, you'd see that the number of adverse effects from ivermectin is almost zero compared to over a billion prescriptions.
And to reiterate, it may or may not have any effect. Reluctance to try it is more likely due to it being politicized rather than math, but that's not the point of the discussion.
Even if it isn’t risk-free… look, this is how fucked upidly wrong modern medicine: you can have medicaments out there that are perfectly suitable for your biometric markers that YOU will never see because some dumb ass socially awkward bastard made the decision to include you (who has positive receptivity) with a population of people who will not benefit from the medication.
Medicine is about customization. On many things, what works for me, will not work for many. Acupuncture specialists know this full well, and yet, they get criticized by general medicine doctors.
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First line:
What's that old expression? You can lead a man to horse dewormer but you can't make him... Wait that ain't it.
The lead horse is early so he gets the worm. That was it.
Know what? I'm changing my approach. Please enjoy this snippet from Ivermectin And White Fragility:
The psychology of the Antimector is a peculiar and disturbing instantiation of white fragility in a medical context. The irrational resistance to treatments used in equatorial regions is seated in colorphobism. Unconscious bias and psychofascist dictates of a whitehesive psychodynamic requires a catagorical decoupling of Black Medicine from the white purity of their eurobleached white sheet/white pillow conceptualization of health care scrubbed of ethnic impurities. Anything which saves lives on The Mother Continent must be disavowed. Anything touched by Black Hands is declared unclean and may not pollute white treatment protocols, while pharmaceuticals of white origin and used in white countries meet the white purity test. This is why Paxlovid is permitted while Therapies of Color may not be included. The process of white purity testing and incorporation into whitepartite medical protocols, with each element bolstering the credibility of its fellow white pharmaceutical travelers, is a phenomenon known as Hydroxiding. Countless examples exist outside the medical field as well, colloquially referred to as White Stacking or Mayonnaising.
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It's NOT used for covid treatment in any hospital or certified medical clinic .
The new Pfizer covid pill is an anti-viral and invermectin is used in humans for parasites. BIG difference.
What you're peddling is like saying , do curls to stimulate leg growth.
Show us the long term side effects of this pill
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I can't believe no one has pointed out that I'm obviously going to be in favor of an antiparasitic drug. Like, of course.
Posting with you guys is the conversational equivalent of me leaning over the table and cutting up your steak into little bite sized bits for you. Good christ. Make an effort, will ya?
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Don’t have to think too hard as to why Howard’s father committed suicide.
For those that don't know, my dad took his life over 30 years ago.
In my judgment, he was a good man and wonderful father.
He served in the US navy , during WWII
He was a gunners mate on a carrier in the South Pacific during the summer of 1945.
He stayed on active duty for 8 more years and was in the Korean war in similar capacity.
After active duty, he worked a welder on the hulls of nuclear subs at a large sub fabrication base.
He was sent back to school and eventually became a structural engineer working on sub hull stability .
As a boy growing up, about once each year , we'd hear him in our parents bedroom.
He'd be yelling;"... incoming, incoming , take cover" and would pull my mom off the bed to the floor.
When my sis and I rushed into the room, he'd be covering mom's body with his own , still yelling.
After he passed ,my mom said, he suffered more nightly incidents, I never knew off.
Looking back, it's obvious now, he had untreated PTSD from his combat experiences.
My dad never complained or wanted treatment . He would try to play it off as a "bad dream or nightmare".
I'm sorry you feel the need to make a joke of my dad's suicide.
I don't know you, but you'd need to be one hell of a man to equal my dad.
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I can't believe no one has pointed out that I'm obviously going to be in favor of an antiparasitic drug. Like, of course.
Posters are still basking in the glow that you're alive, so please forgive them for missing this connection.
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I shall grant them my clemency.
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Show us the long term side effects of this pill
If you really want to know about the newly formulated pfizer anti viral pill , just google it.
That way you can read all the tedious details on its development and clinical trials.
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To sum up all these posts, ask your doctor.
Excellent summation ;)
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There isn’t such a thing as “modern medicine.” What you have is general medicine, which is utter shit and “specialist medicine,” which is the real deal. Even the medications have eerily similar ingredients. It’s an extortion racket.
Where the difference lies is in that general medicine practitioners hide behind the science AS IF that gives their profession more credibility. They even have the audacity to criticize PROVEN methods like acupuncture or alternative therapies.
It’s madness.
NOBODY makes you go to the doctor or hospital.
If you really don't want to adhere to the views of medical professionals, that's fine.
Just stay home and self treat with whatever compounds, drugs or herbs you desire.
If that's your attitude, I support it and our debate ends .
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So what was your take on the study hosted on the NIH that I linked to, Howard?
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So what was your take on the study hosted on the NIH that I linked to, Howard?
I'd tell you, but then I'd have to fart on you.
By passing out from the stench, my secret would stay safe. ;D
I suspect you're being serious about a real issue.
I think you deserve a thoughtful reply, but I'm getting ready to watch a hockey game now.
Maybe later, but don't hold your breath.
You'll turn blue and it won't be from the cool winter breeze. ;D
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Fair enough bro.
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If you really want to know about the newly formulated pfizer anti viral pill , just google it.
That way you can read all the tedious details on its development and clinical trials.
It won’t show long term because there is none. The world is their experiment. Why do we have to wait 55 years for this? Everyone on this board will be dead by then as well as lot of our kids
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/wait-what-fda-wants-55-years-process-foia-request-over-vaccine-data-2021-11-18/
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It won’t show long term because there is none. The world is their experiment. Why do we have to wait 55 years for this? Everyone on this board will be dead by then as well as lot of our kids
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/wait-what-fda-wants-55-years-process-foia-request-over-vaccine-data-2021-11-18/
Coach, nobody is going make you take this or any other medication .
I know you're not a bible thumping zealot, but Jehovah Witness refuse to get blood transfusions .
They have legally binding damages waiver, so a hospital won't get sued for malpractice if they die.
You have the legal right to refuse any medication, procedure or treatment from a medical provider.
However, if you die or get worse, they aren't liable.
You aren't allowed to make a hospital or doc to give you a treatment that's not approved .
If you're advocating treating yourself at home with treatments of your choosing, that's fine.
Out debate on this ends and I support your choice.
If people with covid or other illness want to stay home and self medicate, fine with me ;)
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I'm sorry you feel the need to make a joke of my dad's suicide.
I doubt he was joking, as u r a complete waste that endorses the poisoning of children:
children get lower doses and those under 12 will get even smaller doses when that gets the ok.
it is highly probable that any piece of shit capable of spawning an entity like u would rightly contemplate ending its miserable existence.
no wonder u were so quick to jump on these covid shots... suicidal tendencies tend to b genetic, after all.
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I can't believe no one has pointed out that I'm obviously going to be in favor of an antiparasitic drug. Like, of course.
Posting with you guys is the conversational equivalent of me leaning over the table and cutting up your steak into little bite sized bits for you. Good christ. Make an effort, will ya?
Tape are you living in a horse?
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Tape are you living in a horse?
Not yet. I'm allowed to earn income until the 31st of December under Western Australian law. I'm thinking of downsizing to a mule or a donkey in the new year tho. Eat some roadkill. Cultivate isolation and embrace ostracism. Yep, it's the simple life for me.
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Not yet. I'm allowed to earn income until the 31st of December under Western Australian law. I'm thinking of downsizing to a mule or a donkey in the new year tho. Eat some roadkill. Cultivate isolation and embrace ostracism. Yep, it's the simple life for me.
LOL!
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NOBODY makes you go to the doctor or hospital.
If you really don't want to adhere to the views of medical professionals, that's fine.
Just stay home and self treat with whatever compounds, drugs or herbs you desire.
If that's your attitude, I support it and our debate ends .
Dude, I’m not saying I don’t want to go to the doctor. What I am saying is that there’s two medical fields: 1) general medicine, which is shit and DOES NOT have “science” on their side and 2) specialist medicine, which IS cutting edge and HAS science backing their work.
It’s obvious that a planned-demic like COVID’s, the front end of it, the laboratory work, is a specialist-grade driven field BUT the response (CDC + hospitals) is shit grade. I remember the first time they started using ventilators in NYC… people were dropping dead left and right. Was there ever a phone call, an exchange of information between the medical authorities in NYC and, for example, the medical authorities in Northern Italy (where they had just gone precisely through the same circumstances NYC was about to go into)? Nope. Nope. No one called. And thousands died needlessly because of it.
The entire assembly line from the CDC to the medical offices is an utter disgrace.
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I doubt he was joking, as u r a complete waste that endorses the poisoning of children:
it is highly probable that any piece of shit capable of spawning an entity like u would rightly contemplate ending its miserable existence.
no wonder u were so quick to jump on these covid shots... suicidal tendencies tend to b genetic, after all.
This reply says more about your character then any reply I could muster.
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Dude, I’m not saying I don’t want to go to the doctor. What I am saying is that there’s two medical fields: 1) general medicine, which is shit and DOES NOT have “science” on their side and 2) specialist medicine, which IS cutting edge and HAS science backing their work.
It’s obvious that a planned-demic like COVID’s, the front end of it, the laboratory work, is a specialist-grade driven field BUT the response (CDC + hospitals) is shit grade. I remember the first time they started using ventilators in NYC… people were dropping dead left and right. Was there ever a phone call, an exchange of information between the medical authorities in NYC and, for example, the medical authorities in Northern Italy (where they had just gone precisely through the same circumstances NYC was about to go into)? Nope. Nope. No one called. And thousands died needlessly because of it.
The entire assembly line from the CDC to the medical offices is an utter disgrace.
The only evil "planned-demic" is the dopey conspiracy you've been duped with.
You have a right to access health care YOU agree with.
if you want to use some miracle pill or renegade doc's clinic, that's your choice.
However, at a hospital, you can't demand they treat you with unapproved meds.
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Hockey game is over, because you are answering other posts, howard - can you address Tape's question.
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Hockey game is over, because you are answering other posts, howard - can you address Tape's question.
I could, but let's just get real here.
1. I'll provide a serious reply and give my logic and science based reasons for it.
2. Some make good counter points based on reasonable assumptions.
It makes for an interesting exchange of ideas, but, nobody changes their position .
3. Most use their reply to make insults and promote some wacky conspiracy, etc.
Conclusion - This kind of debate interaction, ends up getting old for me. Sincerely posting
reliable, credible info that dares to disagree with the conspiracy agenda is quickly ridiculed.
After my initial disbelief , I laugh and then realize they might be seriously misguided or trolling.
LOL, sorry for the rambling "non-answer" but suffice to say, I've had enough for now with this interaction.
PS/ yes, I know, nobody made me post a reply and get into this thread, BUT, I'm getting out now.
Thanks for understanding.
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I could, but let's just get real here.
1. I'll provide a serious reply and give my logic and science based reasons for it.
2. Some make good counter points based on reasonable assumptions.
It makes for an interesting exchange of ideas, but, nobody changes their position .
3. Most use their reply to make insults and promote some wacky conspiracy, etc.
Conclusion - This kind of debate for me, ends up getting old for me. Sincerely posting
reliable, credible info that dares to disagree with the conspiracy agenda is quickly ridiculed.
After my initial disbelief , I laugh and then realize they might be seriously misguided or trolling.
LOL, sorry for the rambling "non-answer" but suffice to say, I've had enough for now with this interaction.
PS/ yes, I know, nobody made me post a reply and get into this thread, BUT, I'm getting out now.
Thanks for understanding.
This is complete horseshit. It's your way of avoiding admitting you've been making incorrect statements.
You had no problem continuing other conversations in the same thread that fit the criteria above.
The difference is tape wasn't going to let you just ignore it.
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This is complete horseshit. It's your way of avoiding admitting you've been making incorrect statements.
You had no problem continuing other conversations in the same thread that fit the criteria above.
The difference is tape wasn't going to let you just ignore it.
THAT reply is exactly why I terminated my serious answers in this thread.
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I could, but let's just get real here.
1. I'll provide a serious reply and give my logic and science based reasons for it.
2. Some make good counter points based on reasonable assumptions.
It makes for an interesting exchange of ideas, but, nobody changes their position .
3. Most use their reply to make insults and promote some wacky conspiracy, etc.
Conclusion - This kind of debate interaction, ends up getting old for me. Sincerely posting
reliable, credible info that dares to disagree with the conspiracy agenda is quickly ridiculed.
After my initial disbelief , I laugh and then realize they might be seriously misguided or trolling.
LOL, sorry for the rambling "non-answer" but suffice to say, I've had enough for now with this interaction.
PS/ yes, I know, nobody made me post a reply and get into this thread, BUT, I'm getting out now.
Thanks for understanding.
Great post!
I couldn’t have said it better myself.
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Great post!
I couldn’t have said it better myself.
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Thanks!
Ya know I've actually been back/forth on get big since it's inception over 20 years ago.
Crazy ideas and funny cracks were always part of its' appeal and entertainment.
I'm secure enough to acknowledge worthy counter points in any thread topic.
Suffice to say, I've endured numerous insults and silly ridicule to my posts.
However, in recent times, it's gone from (mostly) humor based insults to
hate filled, personal attacks with promoting wacky conspiracy theories.
THat gets old fast and I don't want to bother getting involved any longer.
It's like watching a couple spoiled brats fighting over who farted first LOL
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Thanks!
Ya know I've actually been back/forth on get big since it's inception over 20 years ago.
Crazy ideas and funny cracks were always part of its' appeal and entertainment.
I'm secure enough to acknowledge worthy counter points in any thread topic.
Suffice to say, I've endured numerous insults and silly ridicule to my posts.
However, in recent times, it's gone from (mostly) humor based insults to
hate filled, personal attacks with promoting wacky conspiracy theories.
THat gets old fast and I don't want to bother getting involved any longer.
It's like watching a couple spoiled brats fighting over who farted first LOL
Leave, Smuck!
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This is complete horseshit. It's your way of avoiding admitting you've been making incorrect statements.
You had no problem continuing other conversations in the same thread that fit the criteria above.
The difference is tape wasn't going to let you just ignore it.
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Thanks!
Ya know I've actually been back/forth on get big since it's inception over 20 years ago.
Crazy ideas and funny cracks were always part of its' appeal and entertainment.
I'm secure enough to acknowledge worthy counter points in any thread topic.
Suffice to say, I've endured numerous insults and silly ridicule to my posts.
However, in recent times, it's gone from (mostly) humor based insults to
hate filled, personal attacks with promoting wacky conspiracy theories.
THat gets old fast and I don't want to bother getting involved any longer.
It's like watching a couple spoiled brats fighting over who farted first LOL
Yeah me too! I remember you from the old www.ironage.us site.
Keep up the good work!
;)
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THAT reply is exactly why I terminated my serious answers in this thread.
Not buying it. You were given plenty of cordial opportunities to respond. Neither myself or Tape ever start a discussion with insults.
You're running interference.
If it wasn't a consistent pattern, you'd be given the benefit of the doubt, but it a known behavior at this point - you attack the posts you think you're right in, and avoid the ones where you should be admitting a mistake.
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Well this is disappointing.
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Thanks!
Ya know I've actually been back/forth on get big since it's inception over 20 years ago.
Crazy ideas and funny cracks were always part of its' appeal and entertainment.
I'm secure enough to acknowledge worthy counter points in any thread topic.
Suffice to say, I've endured numerous insults and silly ridicule to my posts.
However, in recent times, it's gone from (mostly) humor based insults to
hate filled, personal attacks with promoting wacky conspiracy theories.
THat gets old fast and I don't want to bother getting involved any longer.
It's like watching a couple spoiled brats fighting over who farted first LOL
So you’re leaving this thread until someone agrees with you….
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Yeah me too! I remember you from the old www.ironage.us site.
Keep up the good work!
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Hi Howard.
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Not buying it. You were given plenty of cordial opportunities to respond. Neither myself or Tape ever start a discussion with insults.
You're running interference.
If it wasn't a consistent pattern, you'd be given the benefit of the doubt, but it a known behavior at this point - you attack the posts you think you're right in, and avoid the ones where you should be admitting a mistake.
Ok Grape, I'm just sick and tired of trying to debate people with crazy opinions.
The absurd conspiracy theories and secret GOV banned meds crap, is total nonsense.
Having said THAT, you and any others are free to treat yourself on your own terms.
Just don't complain when a hospital refuses to treat someone with an unauthorized magic pill.
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So you’re leaving this thread until someone agrees with you….
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LOL, good one .
But seriously, it's pointless to continue.
I've given my side and your side has done the same.
You think I'm a naive fool and I think your side's opinion is nonsense.
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So you’re leaving this thread until someone agrees with you….
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No. Come on, now. Howard is right. We can't discuss research when people are emotional.
Howard, I'm sorry that I posted an Ivermectin study while you were trying to watch a hockey game. It was insensitive of me.
I think everyone here owes Howard an apology. A man admits when he's wrong. Come on, you guys. Sincere and from the heart. Don't make me call on you.
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No. Come on, now. Howard is right. We can't discuss research when people are emotional.
Howard, I'm sorry that I posted an Ivermectin study while you were trying to watch a hockey game. It was insensitive of me.
I think everyone here owes Howard an apology. A man admits when he's wrong. Come on, you guys. Sincere and from the heart. Don't make me call on you.
Well played Sir...well played :D
THAT reply is why I keep "cumming " back to getbig. :P
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Thank you, Howard. I hope we can foster one another's emotional well being again in the future.
Come on, people. It takes a village to apologize to Howard.
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Ok Grape, I'm just sick and tired of trying to debate people with crazy opinions.
The absurd conspiracy theories and secret GOV banned meds crap, is total nonsense.
Having said THAT, you and any others are free to treat yourself on your own terms.
Just don't complain when a hospital refuses to treat someone with an unauthorized magic pill.
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When you make a claim about a medication, and the response contains a link countering that from the US National Library of Medicine
National Institutes of Health, it is not a crazy opinion or conspiracy theory.
When you make a comment about off brand drug use, and someone responds with a link from the FDA correcting you, it is not a crazy opinion or conspiracy theory.
Nobody called ivermectin a magic pill, or that it would even work. It was called a risk free option to try, based on actual data.
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When you make a claim about a medication, and the response contains a link countering that from the US National Library of Medicine
National Institutes of Health, it is not a crazy opinion or conspiracy theory.
When you make a comment about off brand drug use, and someone responds with a link from the FDA correcting you, it is not a crazy opinion or conspiracy theory.
Grape it is a conspiracy theory if CNN doesn't validate the research.
And dont bother pointing out their medical expert/in house doctor flipped on this issue when he was confronted about the science behind it on Joe Rogan's podcast....
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When you make a claim about a medication, and the response contains a link countering that from the US National Library of Medicine
National Institutes of Health, it is not a crazy opinion or conspiracy theory.
When you make a comment about off brand drug use, and someone responds with a link from the FDA correcting you, it is not a crazy opinion or conspiracy theory.
Nobody called ivermectin a magic pill, or that it would even work. It was called a risk free option to try, based on actual data.
Fair enough.
If YOU and some others think ivermectin is a possible covid treatment, have at it.
I remain unconvinced and don't agree.
Perhaps,you remember or know of the " Cybergenics" system. ( early 90's)
It was promoted by national BB champ and IFBB pro, Franco Santorello ( sp?)
It was huge national ad campaign on TV , years before the internet and social media.
All Cybergenics really was is a few bottles of herbs and vitamins with training program booklet .
The kit had a few bucks of product and sold for 10x it's actual value. It was a con.
Plenty of smart, hard training guys and gals paid decent $$ for a Cybergenics kit.
They weren't dumb or crazy, but, for whatever reasons , got duped .
People want to believe there is a secret product the GOV is hiding from the public.
Basic , honest, harsh reality is a bummer and doesn't give a lot of people hope.
It's understandable to believe, something "better" must be out there. ;)
The truth is the covid vaccines and proven treatments, like monoclonal antibodies
are as good as it gets.
So Grape, this list of "alternative covid cures" are just modern snake oil sales.
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Fair enough.
If YOU and some others think ivermectin is a possible covid treatment, have at it.
I remain unconvinced and don't find the "research" backing it to be credible.
Perhaps,you remember or know of the " Cybergenics" system. ( early 90's)
It was promoted by national BB champ and IFBB pro, Franco Santorello ( sp?)
It was huge national ad campaign on TV , years before the internet and social media.
All Cybergenics really was is a few bottles of herbs and vitamins with a basic training & diet program booklet .
They added a cheap plastic caliper to measure skin fold thickness ( body fat % ).
The kit had a few bucks of product and sold for 10x it's actual value. It was a con.
Plenty of smart, hard training guys and gals paid decent $$ for a Cybergenics kit.
They weren't dumb or crazy, but, for whatever reasons , got duped .
People want to believe there is a secret product the GOV is hiding from the public.
Basic , honest, harsh reality is a bummer and doesn't give a lot of people hope.
It's understandable to believe, something "better" must be out there. ;)
The truth is the covid vaccines and proven treatments, like monoclonal antibodies
are as good as it gets.
So Grape, this list of "alternative covid cures" are just modern snake oil sales.
The names and situation change, but the basic con, remains the same.
I'm absolutely not convinced Ivermectin is effective.
But am more concerned why it's being dismissed. The creator of ivermectin's video was pulled from youtube, a drug that he won a nobel prize for. False narratives are being created by the media (Rolling Stone/Maddow - Overdoses clogging the hospital!), pharmacies are refusing to fill scripts prescribed by doctors.
The way we get there is by letting the scientific community do what it does - question and discuss everything. There are many, many real doctors who believe in this stuff, it WAS in the zpacks given out in India during the D surge. The stifling of this is only creating more distrust and divisiveness.
But comparing ivermectin, as nobel prize winning drug prescribed to billions SAFELY, with proven anti-viral abilities, with a supplement scam from the 90s is completely apples and oranges.
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I'm absolutely not convinced Ivermectin is effective.
But am more concerned why it's being dismissed. The creator of ivermectin's video was pulled from youtube, a drug that he won a nobel prize for. False narratives are being created by the media (Rolling Stone/Maddow - Overdoses clogging the hospital!), pharmacies are refusing to fill scripts prescribed by doctors.
The way we get there is by letting the scientific community do what it does - question and discuss everything. There are many, many real doctors who believe in this stuff, it WAS in the zpacks given out in India during the D surge. The stifling of this is only creating more distrust and divisiveness.
But comparing ivermectin, as nobel prize winning drug prescribed to billions SAFELY, with proven anti-viral abilities, with a supplement scam from the 90s is completely apples and oranges.
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Who needs science when we have this guy.
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Hahaha.....I can't stop laughing.
This guy is EVERY antivaxxer I ever met!
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Hahaha.....I can't stop laughing.
This guy is EVERY antivaxxer I ever met!
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Man Howard, how do you change from your OAK gimmick so quickly, lol.
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Man Howard, how do you change from your OAK gimmick so quickly, lol.
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That's interesting. I've never heard antivaxxers referred to as "rational" before.
8) 8) 8)
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Man Howard, how do you change from your OAK gimmick so quickly, lol.
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I fire up the Delorean and use my flux capacitor to distort the get big space -time continuum .
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The 1st 2 covid vaccines were rigorously derived via messenger RNA .
The "spike" on the covid 19 molecule , is protein based with an amino acid sequence.
The rapid release of the covid 19 DNA sequence allowed scientists to develop
the mRNA sequence that could attack the protein spike and render it harmless.
Trials for these mRNA vaccines were done with thousands of test volunteers in a
double blind study . The results were reviewed several times via medical experts and
medical boards.
The safety and efficacy of these initial covid vaccines have been proven safe and effective.
They have already been in bodies of several million people worldwide.
Ivermectin is NOT an anti-viral and has no direct impact on the covid-19 virus.
It's use in humans is strictly for pest infestation.
Data came directly from the chinese and nobody on west had any access to patient zero information, which would be crucial for research.
Effectiveness of the jab was highly exaggerated and the jab is still released conditionally while no one getting any serious side effects or their relatives are being able to sue for the damages.
It is still in trial mode while you are the test bunny, but keep lying to others and yourself, it might become a bittersweet lie in end.
Ivermectin has been and is still used in virus treatments like ZIKA, it is being shown as effective especially in combination with other medications, supplements.
Here is an example of treating the long term covid effect: https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-recover-protocol/?fbclid=IwAR0Bfh0GXy9ulmzUICRM5xKYMVG8ezOFNwxkF4MaWyLJcdrhNS7FfV67GjE
To say the jab is safe despite the highest number of serious side effects and deaths cases being reported while minimum of them actually get registered than 20 years of vaccines, says a lot.
It is an experiment on people performed on a massive scale while basic rights are being stripped away in the name of "common good".
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Howard is the definition of a smuck.
Howard is the definition of an independent thinker who willing to go out on a limb and to post among the Getbig sheep, who are totally dependent on doing and saying only what their flock leads them to.
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Brutal if true
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Howard is the definition of an independent thinker who willing to go out on a limb and to post among the Getbig sheep, who are totally dependent on doing and saying only what their flock leads them to.
He’s a smuck and you’re a coward.
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Howard is the definition of an independent thinker who willing to go out on a limb and to post among the Getbig sheep, who are totally dependent on doing and saying only what their flock leads them to.
There is absolutely nothing independent about his thoughts on Covid.
He has explicitly stated that his stance is to trust the CDC and Government mandates.
He will not even read the objective articles written by recognized medical professionals stating that Ivermectin has legitimate reasons to be "considered" for treatment.
That's the definition of a sheep, not a free thinker.
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Howard is the definition of an independent thinker who willing to go out on a limb and to post among the Getbig sheep, who are totally dependent on doing and saying only what their flock leads them to.
Dementia setting in ?
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He’s a smuck and you’re a coward.
Guess that means you're a jerk. ;D
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Guess that means you're a jerk. ;D
You are a frightened old man, the end.