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Jay Cutler: At 19 I was a 700 lbs squatter and bench pressed 500 lbs. I was squatting till my nose bled.
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He has been consistent through the years with the 500 bench claim. I don’t remember hearing the squat number though.
It’s amazing that at 19 he decided it wasn’t in his best interest to push his strength to the limit and to only focus on reps/despite using large amounts of anabolic compounds.
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He has been consistent through the years with the 500 bench claim. I don’t remember hearing the squat number though.
It’s amazing that at 19 he decided it wasn’t in his best interest to push his strength to the limit and to only focus on reps/despite using large amounts of anabolic compounds.
Jay actually trained intelligently.
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Jay actually trained intelligently.
I believe that.
Like I said it’s amazing that he lifted so much as a TEEN and never tried to go heavier or even train “heavy” compared to other pros.
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Strong mofo
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He has been consistent through the years with the 500 bench claim. I don’t remember hearing the squat number though.
It’s amazing that at 19 he decided it wasn’t in his best interest to push his strength to the limit and to only focus on reps/despite using large amounts of anabolic compounds.
I've also don't recall that squat claim. And I've been following Jay long enough that I would think I would have heard it by now...
His bench press has been verified, as you said.
I think if we're talking about a squat to above parallel, that maybe it could be possible. Maxime Boudreault is the strongest man in my city and placed 3rd at world's last year, and even he "only" squats 845-lb to proper depth. And strength is what Max does as a career. I can't imagine Jay getting 700 below parallel at 19, when he only started training at 18.
But he was very strong, very young. Clearly a genetic freak. Just that 700 seems a bit much. That's an elite lift at 19.
To your last paragraph - are you suggesting Jay should have pursued powerlifting instead?
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At 19 squatting seven hundred pounds.................. .I call BULLSHIT.
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I've also don't recall that squat claim. And I've been following Jay long enough that I would think I would have heard it by now...
His bench press has been verified, as you said.
I think if we're talking about a squat to above parallel, that maybe it could be possible. Maxime Boudreault is the strongest man in my city and placed 3rd at world's last year, and even he "only" squats 845-lb to proper depth. And strength is what Max does as a career. I can't imagine Jay getting 700 below parallel at 19, when he only started training at 18.
But he was very strong, very young. Clearly a genetic freak. Just that 700 seems a bit much. That's an elite lift at 19.
To your last paragraph - are you suggesting Jay should have pursued powerlifting instead?
Well Matt it’s almost insane that Jay had that much strength with so little time in the gym. Maybe he would have hit a strength plateau and would have never gotten stronger from that point. BUT it also seems odd that he never once benched 500 as a top level amateur or pro (at least not that I’m aware of) considering he was so driven at 19 to find out his 1 rep max.
And it’s great that Jay never “ego” trained even though he was in an industry that was solely focused on building one’s ego, even though he got to the point that Jay can say he benched 500 and squatted 700 well before he was anyone in the BB community.
By all accounts it seems like he was smart with his career and got out while he had his health, but he did that as an almost 40 year old man. The fact that as a 19/20 year old he walked away from “heavy” one rep maxes is astonishing.
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The astounding part is that he had the balls to make those ridiculous claims.
When did he start training at the age of five?
That`s just nowhere near enough gym time to build up to a 700 lb. squat at that age.......riduculous IMO.
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The astounding part is that he had the balls to make those ridiculous claims.
When did he start training at the age of five?
That`s just nowhere near enough gym time to build up to a 700 lb. squat at that age.......riduculous IMO.
Wes some people are just genetically gifted; large frame, thick joints, low blood pressure, able to process a large amount of calories and pass bloody stool, strong tendons, etc…. They’re just built for this sport.
The rest of us are just haters.
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He has been consistent through the years with the 500 bench claim. I don’t remember hearing the squat number though.
It’s amazing that at 19 he decided it wasn’t in his best interest to push his strength to the limit and to only focus on reps/despite using large amounts of anabolic compounds.
Show me one video where he did a full range of motion on any exercise. Kerri was the one who wasn't half-repping ish.
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The astounding part is that he had the balls to make those ridiculous claims.
When did he start training at the age of five?
That`s just nowhere near enough gym time to build up to a 700 lb. squat at that age.......riduculous IMO.
I’ve seen an 18 year old squat 585 for 6. Full range. The kid was built for squatting. Huge thighs. He was all drugs though. I saw him years later and I was surprised how much he shrank down.
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Wes some people are just genetically gifted; large frame, thick joints, low blood pressure, able to process a large amount of calories and pass bloody stool, strong tendons, etc…. They’re just built for this sport.
The rest of us are just haters.
That`s very true Dave,please disregard my posts. LOL ;D
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Ive seen Jay train in the gym. Easily performed 12 reps with 160LB dumbbells on incline press, full range of motion. But I doubt that he ever benched 500.
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I’ve seen an 18 year old squat 585 for 6. Full range. The kid was built for squatting. Huge thighs. He was all drugs though. I saw him years later and I was surprised how much he shrank down.
I believe you,I just don`t believe Cutlers claimed numbers.
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what's interesting is where Jay got the "genetics" from? Because seeing pics and videos of his parents, I don't see it.. They both look average, his father is average even on the small side?.....
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cutler seems like one of those thick freaks as a teen, but I picture more of a 500 sq and 405 (or 365) bench.
his numbers seem inflated.
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Imagine jay in the UFC!!!!! Wow
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Imagine jay in the UFC!!!!! Wow
The man cannot be arm bar’d
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cutler seems like one of those thick freaks as a teen, but I picture more of a 500 sq and 405 (or 365) bench.
his numbers seem inflated.
Yeah it's hard to believe.
I've seen some 300+ pound college kids squat 600+, but these where linemen who had been training for 6-7 years.
Jay is full of shit, typical Pro nonsense.
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Wes some people are just genetically gifted; large frame, thick joints, low blood pressure, able to process a large amount of calories and pass bloody stool, strong tendons, etc…. They’re just built for this sport.
The rest of us are just haters.
Imagine if Jay would have followed the "cocoon of growth" protocols instead of eating all that chicken and rice.
He would have been 330 pounds on stage AND drug free.
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Imagine if Jay would have followed the "cocoon of growth" protocols instead of eating all that chicken and rice.
He would have been 330 pounds on stage AND drug free.
I know….
It’s sad because Jay is an all time great but if he had been a true student of the game he would have been the GOAT.
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Cocoon Of Peace
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The astounding part is that he had the balls to make those ridiculous claims.
When did he start training at the age of five?
That`s just nowhere near enough gym time to build up to a 700 lb. squat at that age.......riduculous IMO.
and take the fat off he has zero muscle tissue
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"Mr. Olympia Jay Cutler & John Meadows talk Longevity"
Sadly ironic (with hindsight) video title is sadly ironic (with hindsight)... :-\
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At 19 squatting seven hundred pounds.................. .I call BULLSHIT.
Maybe he had found just the right size knee sleeves..?
Imagine if Jay would have followed the "cocoon of growth" protocols instead of eating all that chicken and rice.
Cocoon Of Peace
Cocoon Of Growth Protocol Of Peace..?
(Sorry, I'm very tired... ;D)
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and take the fat off he has zero muscle tissue
Phony Plates Of Peace ;D
That`s unreal.....good squat too......I wonder if he had on a squat suit.....I still doubt Cutlers claim though.
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Yeah it's hard to believe.
I've seen some 300+ pound college kids squat 600+, but these where linemen who had been training for 6-7 years.
Jay is full of shit, typical Pro nonsense.
They are all full of shit
Next thing you are going to hear is these guys running a 4.3/4.4 in the 40
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and take the fat off he has zero muscle tissue
He looks like he has a touch of downs?
Retard strength? of peace
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;D
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Reg Park's brother-in-law, and a past Mr. Universe John isaacs said they used partials to build strength.
İf i am not mistaken, they called partial squats "dingy squats"
İsaacs was amazing but he was short class Mr universe, was not massive and he used to "dingy" squat 1000 pounds.
I guess Cutler forgot to say he also did kind of partials to build strength.
Arnold used to curl 275 pounds when he was 19, but they were back breaker curls ;D
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GUARANTEE Jay never full squatted 700. Ever.
And the 500 press is EXTREMELY suspect. I mean, it was 500 exactly? And with less than two years lifting? Fucking LIAR.
So okay, he abandons strength lifting early on, but there’s zero video anywhere of him cranking reps/sets with even 365 or 405?
There’s video of him squatting and his reps are super shallow. Even with hundreds of pounds less than seven.
P.S. I’ve seen guys who barely bench a set of 315 do 500 with their spotter’s hands wrapped around the bar. Even when the spot’s thinking he’s “not helping much”, he can be taking off MOUNTAINS of weight for the lifter.
B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T.
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What weight is this?
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What weight is this?
405
very strong if weights are real
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Agreed. Didn’t recognize the actual plate brand so wanted to be sure. 12 reps not even at failure looking very controlled with the form. Impressive.
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What weight is this?
That IS extremely strong.
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He looks like he has a touch of downs?
Retard strength? of peace
LOL, he has full-blown Down's. God help whoever is next to him when he gets horny. They're never getting out of his death-hug.
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Ive seen Jay train in the gym. Easily performed 12 reps with 160LB dumbbells on incline press, full range of motion. But I doubt that he ever benched 500.
I worked out at Gold's in Vegas where he trained and he was strong but trained rather light most of the time. After watching what has happened with Coleman, Jay was smart.
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At 2:37:50 the guy behind the camera says show me the glutes. :D :-X :-X :-X
Jay's father's at 2:59:06. Looking at his parents it's difficult to see where Jay got his genetics from.
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What weight is this?
Are the plates even 45 pounders
From the vids he’s made during his younger prime age, he struggled with 405 incline, Kerry had to spot the reps
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Are the plates even 45 pounders
From the vids he’s made during his younger prime age, he struggled with 405 incline, Kerry had to spot the reps
Not sure, but that is not 405 pounds.
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I don't care about the strength claims he said when he was 19. What bothers me about Jay is his nasally voice and the influence it had on others. I remember hearing these Jay wannabes who previously had a normal voice suddenly speaking in a nasally manner. It was like they were trying to hide their normal steroid-induced voice with some nerdy voice.
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Are the plates even 45 pounders
From the vids he’s made during his younger prime age, he struggled with 405 incline, Kerry had to spot the reps
Not sure, but that is not 405 pounds.
It's from Iceland, and if you look at the metal handles in the plates, you can see the color code -
6 yellow 15kg plates = #198lbs
2 blue 20kg plates = #88lbs
1 20kg bar = #44lbs
All together = 150kg / 330lbs
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It's from Iceland, and if you look at the metal handles in the plates, you can see the color code -
6 yellow 15kg plates = #198lbs
2 blue 20kg plates = #88lbs
1 20kg bar = #44lbs
All together = 150kg / 330lbs
Makes sense.
Still a strong lift.
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Not sure, but that is not 405 pounds.
Looked too easy for 12. I thought ive seen video of 405 on the incline for 6-8 when he trained with Kerry.
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I don't know Jay personally, but what I can say from what I've seen STRONG IFBB pros do, I can believe that at some point of his life he was maybe able to do a 1 rep max with 500lbs (could have even worn a shirt) and a 700lb squat. Both of which would have only occurred as an adult, on the juice, during his prime and wearing straps. No way was he doing those lifts (particularly the squat) at 19.
The strongest teenage powerlifter we know of (Joseph Peña) squatted 1,005 pounds at the age of 18. Jay was no Joseph.
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18 years old at that time, but looked like a Mexican man of 42 years of age with a family of 12.
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Instead he was an 18 year old with 12 kids.
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Like Fortress said, it could have been a "spotter's hands on bar" lift. "All you bro." I saw a video of Larry Wheels benching 500 at 18, before he even knew what wrist wraps were. But Larry is a very rare specimen.
"Anyone" can squat 700, it's all in the depth.
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Like Fortress said, it could have been a "spotter's hands on bar" lift. "All you bro." I saw a video of Larry Wheels benching 500 at 18, before he even knew what wrist wraps were. But Larry is a very rare specimen.
"Anyone" can squat 700, it's all in the depth.
Good point. And very likely this is what happened.
But am I the only one who finds it odd that the man who filmed his workouts and stripped down to a thong and waddled around the gym with his pants around his ankles NEVER attempted either of these lifts on video one time in his 15 years of recording his every action of his bodybuilding life?
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"Anyone" can squat 700, it's all in the depth.
I think people also often will do a lift of X lbs on some leg machine and say they "squatted" X lbs.
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I think people also often will do a lift of X lbs on some leg machine and say they "squatted" X lbs.
Do you think that's what Jay did?
He benched 500 on a Hammer Strength flat press and he leg presses 700 at 19?
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Do you think that's what Jay did?
He benched 500 on a Hammer Strength flat press and he leg presses 700 at 19?
I wouldn't be surprised if they were Smith machine numbers or similar. Jay in the magazine articles back then was known as a very middle of road strength guy. If it was a #500 standard bench, it would've been talked about quite a bit if he was only 19. It would've been a monster bench for the time and in bodybuilding circles for a 19 year old.
Eddie Robinson, who was only a few years older, was a #500 - 600 bencher at a similar age, and it was always a focal point in articles. Jay never had a peep about his strength back then.
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https://www.musculardevelopment.com/training/13290-ifbb-pro-jay-cutler-s-best-lifts-for-all-bodyparts-muscular-development.html#.YiJYEejMJPY .
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Bench Presses
See, I didn't keep you in suspense waiting for this one! When I was 19 or 20 and training back at the Gold's Gym in Worcester, MA, the bench press was a very big deal. We had a few guys who put up 500 pounds or more on a regular basis. One of them was Frank McCullen, who only weighed 165 pounds! So I saw that and figured I had better be able to do at least that much, since I had a good 70 pounds on him. The best I ever did on the flat bench was 550 for 2 reps. These days, due to the fact that the risks far outweigh any possible benefits to my chest, you won't even catch me under a flat barbell bench press (only a Smith machine for that movement), and you certainly won't see me doing 2 reps of anything. Back then bodybuilding was not my career yet, so worrying about injuries rarely if ever even crossed my mind. Now, it's always at least in the back of my mind at every workout.
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Incline Barbell Presses
My best incline was 405 for 6-8 reps. Nothing spectacular, but it wasn't bad. This is an exercise I will still do, unlike the flat bench.
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Dumbbell Presses
I once pressed a pair of 200s for 2 reps during a photo shoot three days after I turned pro at the 1996 Nationals, at Club MET-Rx in Costa Mesa, CA. I probably wouldn't have even tried them except that Chris told me Greg Kovacs had just done them at his recent shoot. I pressed 160s to 180s all the time back in the late ‘90s.
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Squats
My legs were really strong when I was in my late teens, even though I hadn't been training very long. At 19 I remember squatting with close to 700 pounds for a couple reps, and the reps were always ass-to-the-floor. Back then my legs totally overpowered everything else. I used to squat 500 for 10 reps like it was nothing. Heavy squats have always made my lower back tighter than any other exercise.
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Front Squats
The most I ever did on front squats was 455 for 6-8 reps. That's one exercise I never maxed-out on, because I never saw the point. How often does anyone ever ask you how much you can front squat, anyway?
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Deadlifts
I've done six plates a side, or 585, off the floor for 3 reps. I did it back in 2005 at the Gold's Gym on Sahara and Decatur in Las Vegas. I still do deads. Nothing pumps my back up the way they do. I've also done my share of rack deadlifts, and the most I ever used was seven plates a side, 675 pounds, for a few reps— somewhere between 3-6. Forgive me if I don't always remember the exact number of reps I did.
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Overhead Barbell Presses
Back at the Gold's in Worcester in the early-to mid-1990s, behind-neck barbell presses were a very popular lift, and somehow everybody went up to 405 on it. Obviously that meant that the spotters were often doing a pretty heavy upright row! I recall being able to do a few good reps without much help at all. In 2006 and 2007, my main pressing movement for shoulders was the standing barbell press. I can say for sure that I did those reps on my own! I went up to 315 on standing presses. That's one exercise that involves a lot of technique. If you get away from it for a while and come back to it, you find you can't handle anywhere near as much weight.
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Seated Dumbbell Presses
I have done the 160s for 8-10 reps, but I don't feel the need to go quite that heavy anymore. I still go up to the 140s. And I should note that I will have someone put them on my legs, but I like to kick them up into the start position by myself. I just feel like I have better balance with them that way, as opposed to having them handed to me at shoulder level.
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Close-Grip Bench Presses
I have done 405 for sets of 8-10 in the past, but this is an exercise I kicked to the curb after finally realizing it was not a safe movement for me. So however much you use on your close-grips, it's more than a four-time Mr. Olympia.
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The strongest teenage powerlifter we know of (Joseph Peña) squatted 1,005 pounds at the age of 18. Jay was no Joseph.
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18 years old at that time, but looked like a Mexican man of 42 years of age with a family of 12.
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Never really got into powerlifting much, so this is a genuine question - what the fuck are those twinks either end of the bar going to do if he needs help?
Is that kung fu stance a standard pose? Are spotters not normally also big dudes?
I is confuze ???
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Never really got into powerlifting much, so this is a genuine question - what the fuck are those twinks either end of the bar going to do if he needs help?
Is that kung fu stance a standard pose? Are spotters not normally also big dudes?
I is confuze ???
On a big squat like that, it would probably be a 3-5 man spotting team. Probably 5 most places (2 aside, 1 back). Their hands look a bit low, but its a normal look for a side spotter. On a big squat they're not looking to really save you, just take some of the weight off so you can rack it, or give you a few seconds to try and dump it safely.
Spotters can be dicey. Some guys bring there own guys, sometimes other known powerlifters volunteer to help. And sometimes they just grab whatever semi-athletic guys are willing to help out. Some promoters pay a small amount for spotters, other times it's pizza, beer, and maybe a free t shirt :).
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Good point. And very likely this is what happened.
But am I the only one who finds it odd that the man who filmed his workouts and stripped down to a thong and waddled around the gym with his pants around his ankles NEVER attempted either of these lifts on video one time in his 15 years of recording his every action of his bodybuilding life?
back then i think camcorders were still expensive and unavailable
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Never really got into powerlifting much, so this is a genuine question - what the fuck are those twinks either end of the bar going to do if he needs help?
Is that kung fu stance a standard pose? Are spotters not normally also big dudes?
I is confuze ???
Go to about 1:32 in this -
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That's one of the better ways to spot a huge squat that you'll see, but you don't see it as often in certain meets because it kinda messes up video, photos, etc....
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back then i think camcorders were still expensive and unavailable
Good point.
So he only tried these heavy lifts at the beginning of his lifting career but never in any of his workout videos. Makes sense.
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Yes makes a lot of sense that Jay got weaker after adding ~50 lbs of muscle.
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On a big squat like that, it would probably be a 3-5 man spotting team. Probably 5 most places (2 aside, 1 back). Their hands look a bit low, but its a normal look for a side spotter. On a big squat they're not looking to really save you, just take some of the weight off so you can rack it, or give you a few seconds to try and dump it safely.
Spotters can be dicey. Some guys bring there own guys, sometimes other known powerlifters volunteer to help. And sometimes they just grab whatever semi-athletic guys are willing to help out. Some promoters pay a small amount for spotters, other times it's pizza, beer, and maybe a free t shirt :).
On a weight like that, you need to be in a cage with a way to catch the weight if he falls.
Those kids wouldn't do anything to help, other than stabilize the bar.
When i competed in power lifting i used to see a lot of failed squats. Once you get over 600 pounds you need to be in a cage. My first attempt at 600 pounds there was one guy behind me, they said if anything happen that i should just fall forward. ;D
One of my first meets was at a High School and they had teenagers spotting everyone. The strength coach was trying to teach the kids about lifting.
Saw a guy benching 350 pounds and he pressed it too far over his face, lost control and the bar came out of his hands. All 350 pounds landed straight on his collar bone area. Lucky it wasn't his neck.
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So Jay natural and 80 lbs lighter was far stronger than jay roided out of his mind as a man 10 years later, it makes complete sense
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Good point.
So he only tried these heavy lifts at the beginning of his lifting career but never in any of his workout videos. Makes sense.
Hey just saying that's why there's no video evidence ;D
man I miss jay, he was so doofy and awkward, always made for great entertainment & content.
Remember those mouth guards he was pushing :D
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man I miss jay, he was so doofy and awkward, always made for great entertainment & content.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xXFb0sBu0o8/hqdefault.jpg).
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Hey just saying that's why there's no video evidence ;D
man I miss jay, he was so doofy and awkward, always made for great entertainment & content.
Remember those mouth guards he was pushing :D
LOL!
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Jay’s totally out to lunch.
Like a lot of gassed-to-oblivion bodybuilders, he isn’t a very knowledgeable weight trainer.
He says his “legs were always very strong”. Huge squats are NOT a result of “strong legs”. Those of you who know what I’m talking about know what I’m talking about.
Cutler’s idea of depth is also completely fucked. In every instance I’ve seen video of him squatting, free or Smith, he was WAY above parallel.
And a 550 press for two? Hahahhahahahah