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another new video is up. A lost seminair recording
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Is there any piss drinking discussed? Asking for a curious friend who shall remain anonymous (Taffin)
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Is there any piss drinking discussed? Asking for a curious friend who shall remain anonymous (Taffin)
Only if it could facilitate muscular hypertrophy,
in short positively yes, it is being discussed ;)
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Without steroids, we would have never heard of this genius.
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Is there any piss drinking discussed? Asking for a curious friend who shall remain anonymous (Taffin)
Hahahahaaaa - you f*cker
You're out of date my friend, nowadays it's called the "Von Moguer" protocol
;D
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Hahahahaaaa - you f*cker
You're out of date my friend, nowadays it's called the "Von Moguer" protocol
;D
^The final days of Mike Mentzer
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The guy was nuts...built his body by using volume and gear then flipped the script to make big coin.....believe otherwise and be a sheep.
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So whats the deal? Always heard stories that by the mid eighties he was bat shit crazy, running down street naked, doing meth, drinking piss.? Wtf. Is any of that even remotely true? By early 90's he was writing for M&F in addition to his Heavy Duty stuff.
So he fell hard but pulled himself back together? Surely a lot of that stuff's exaggerated?
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Met him at Venice Gold’s in 1994.
A chain-smoking paranoid lunatic who looked like he’d never so much as stood beside a barbell or dumbell.
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He is still popular because of his personality. All of his training ideas have long been debunked.
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He never got over that ‘80 Olympia. Totally consumed his mind-melon
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He never got over that ‘80 Olympia. Totally consumed his mind-melon
I've never seen an athlete meltdown more.
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I've never seen an athlete meltdown more.
And he didn’t even get 2nd! Or 3rd! Heck, he didn’t even get 4th!
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And he didn’t even get 2nd! Or 3rd! Heck, he didn’t even get 4th!
Only he and his nut sucking fans think he deserved 1st.
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Some day Mentzer will be on a par with Jesus Christ.
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Some day Mentzer will be on a par with Jesus Christ.
He already is to many. Check out the comments on John Little's Youtube channel.
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Some day Mentzer will be on a par with Jesus Christ.
This is all speculation until the Falcon weighs in
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Some day there will be a religion with Mentzer as the god.
Acolytes will gather to worship and pray for miracles like 20 inch arms and for cures to their gyno.
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It must've been pretty tragic to those that knew him to watch him completely collapse from being the next big thing in 1979 to being an embarrassment just a few years later.
So lets say he doesn't retire from competetive bodybuilding after 80. He's not going to win in 81 because in all likelihood it was fixed for Franco. Even if it wasn't fixed I don't see Mentzer being better than Danny, Tom or Roy Callender in that show. I think he could've won the 82 Olympia over Dickerson, just maybe. But I don't see him cracking the top 3 in 83, maybe not even the top 5.
In the video he sounds like he's trying to imitate Art Jones in terms of speech, tone etc.
For ss much as he talked about training it really seemed like he didn't really enjoy it all that much. His whole philosophy was to spend as little time training as possible and making the little time spent in the gym as thoroughly unenjoyable as possible.
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Without steroids, we would have never heard of this genius.
Same goes for Lee Priest.
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MIKE MENTZER: "MY BODYBUILDING CAREER"
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SHOULD MIKE MENTZER HAVE WON THE 1980 MR. OLYMPIA?
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:D
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:D
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David Shaw’s fond recollection of the inauspicious 1980 Mr Olympia which he attended from his book ‘ Over the edge’
“Mentzer was given fifth. It didn’t sink in for a moment ,Then there was bedlam. Everyone was screaming abuse. I’m not sure where they were directing their insults to but doubt Mike Mentzer heard them. He couldn’t believe the ridiculous decision. King was frothing at the mouth.
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“Fifth-fifth. Fucking how could they put my man fifth? Fuck you Arnold. Fuck you Arnold! Fuck, fuck,fuck.” He could not accept it. He would not accept it.
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Frankie sat back in his seat. Mentzer retired on the spot . Boyer Coe came in 4th he went on backstage like an innocent man led to the gallows, then threw a few chairs around and smashed a few lockers.
Zane was lucky to come 3rd.He didn’t think so, he smashed his trophy on the Opera house steps
Chris Dickerson took 2nd . Perhaps he was in shock, perhaps he knew all along.
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Arnold won. I can’t recall hearing the announcement. All you could hear were chants of ‘rigged,rigged,rigged’ The video that was made of the competition cut Arnold’s speech short simply because you couldn’t hear it.
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^The final days of Mike Mentzer
LMFAO. Haven't seen that movie in 20 years.
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LMFAO. Haven't seen that movie in 20 years.
;D One of my favorites
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LMFAO. Haven't seen that movie in 20 years.
Classic.
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MIKE MENTZER: DETERMINING YOUR MAINTENANCE NEED OF CALORIES
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MIKE MENTZER: HOW MUCH PROTEIN DO YOU REALLY NEED?
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So whats the deal? Always heard stories that by the mid eighties he was bat shit crazy, running down street naked, doing meth, drinking piss.? Wtf. Is any of that even remotely true? By early 90's he was writing for M&F in addition to his Heavy Duty stuff.
So he fell hard but pulled himself back together? Surely a lot of that stuff's exaggerated?
No he was in fact institutionalized, sadly. I don't know for how long in total, but as he says at several occasions for up to 3 months. Mike was an intense person and so was his lifestyle. He used amphetamines as means to get energy and focus to be more productive in his writing and work. But it was also his downfall. This is what I gather from various interviews and sayings from other person knowing him.
Talks abit about it himself here
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New video is up.
The Heavy Duty training system
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@37:00
John Little: What kind of bodybuilders annoy you the most?
Mike Mentzer: The kind that lie about steroid use.
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The guy was nuts...built his body by using volume and gear then flipped the script to make big coin.....believe otherwise and be a sheep.
He is still popular because of his personality. All of his training ideas have long been debunked.
I can't disagree.
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seems there's 2 different kinds of drug using bodybuilders.. the ones who used opiates, and the ones who used amphetamines. the ones who used amphetamines always seemed to remain 'in the sport' for longer.
can't help but imagine what it woulda been like to be born 15-25yrs earlier, when it was all who took the most test and dbol... and speed and stayed focused on training and diet. but then again, for every 1 bodybuilder from that era we know, there are 1000 we never will, who took the same path.
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Why are we still talking about this failed human being? He was nothing but a junkie with a mental illness along with a narcissistic personality disorder. John Little really does seem to have a huge hard on for Mentzer which makes me wonder if they had an intimate relationship at one point since Mentzer was gay. Little can't stop praising Mentzer enough it's embarrassing.
As for the 1980 olympia there really is no controversy. This ongoing myth really needs to die now. Controversial? Not really, big guys always have the advantage. Dorian over Ray and mostly Cutler over Dexter etc. Arnold was big and developed while the other competitors were tiny compared to him. Bigger is better in the real world.
First up. The story of CBS sports, which was covering the event, had supposedly Mentzer pegged as the winner before the contest results were announced. After the contest, they pulled their crew and never aired the coverage and never covered the O again. Well that’s all a lie.
The reality is there was never any statements by CBS about a fix or anything at all. No footage was broadcast because the filming crew had run out of tape. That’s all it was. They never filmed the whole thing. The story about CBS pulling because of a "fix"was conjured up by Coe and Mentzer since they were bitter losers and wanted to discredited Arnold. The story is still being kept alive by fans of Mentzer’s training philosphy who want to rewrite history, because what else do they have to hang on to? Nothing.
Secondly. Mentzer was never a contender. Mentzer still would have been in 4th place even if Arnold never entered. This whole Arnold vs Mentzer thing was created years later he was never a real threat onstage. He was a footnote and nothing more. Revisionist history. He became a contender years after the fact when he had a resurgence of popularity from his HIT training system. Back in 1980 he was just a footnote now somehow he was better than Arnold. People can’t seperate their need to embellish his brief competitive record because they like HIT. So they make it seem like Arnold and Mentzer were rivals, when Arnold barely knew Mentzer existed most of the time. Arnolds only rivals were Sergio and Ferrigno. Mentzer just wasn’t worth noting as competition and no one would remember him if he hadn’t become an author of HIT books later in life.
Mentzer couldn’t even beat Zane or Dickerson and they were pretty small. HIT devotees want to deify their idol though so they won’t stop claiming he was the rightful winner despite the evidence. Ludicrous. Mike Mentzer places lower than he felt and spends the rest of his ‘career’ whining about it.
And another thing about Mentzer- his HIT is BS. Did he train like that? Nope. First he says train 4 days a week, then his HIT gets more minimal over the years so he can get some attention. Finally, how often did he advocate training a bodypart- once every 12 days or something? Just a pile of BS to generate money. Nothing more.
As for Arnold not being at his best is he didn’t need to be. He didn’t have to be at his best. Do you know why Arnold risked his legacy to compete one more time? Because it was a WEAK line-up. All the major contenders were gone like Sergio, Ferrigno and Nubret and all Arnold had to do was beat a bunch of B-Listers who were half his size. None of them could be a dominate Mr Olympia they were just keeping the seat warm until a guy like Haney showed up.
Zane beat Mentzer at the 79 Olympia but both guys were pretty small, and in 1980 Mentzer finished a distant 5th while Zane got 3rd. There were a lot of guys in the contest but they were all B-list or C-list in some cases so stacked doesn’t mean much at all just a lot of filler. Now if an A-list guy like Sergio had of competed Arnold may not of entered. Only Samir had the potential and drive but he finished 15th in 1980. So yeah full but weak line-up at this contest.
The big guys had moved on, and the second tier guys were left or do you really think a small guy like Dickerson could have beat Sergio? Nope. Between the Arnold and Haney years was the rise of the smaller, skinnier Olympians who put more emphasis on conditioning rather than mass.
Anyway Zane was way off, Dickerson was too small and Samir was a long way from achieving his potential so none them posed a significant threat to Arnold which is why he entered and won.
And finally, people tend to believe what other people tell them about the 1980 contest, that is until they get to see the actual evidence for themselves and realise it was really was much ado about nothing. For some people it can be quite a surprise to realise that the judging wasn’t some great scandalous betrayal of everything that was good and holy like Mentzer constantly claimed in his articles up until death finally let him get over it. It’s funny how people always say how Arnold’s prestige affected the results, when all this “controversy” is due to Mentzer’s constant crying about the result! It was MENTZER who has created a hype around himself! He didn’t like Arnold’s training style, so he didn’t like Arnold. Mike just could not stop acting like a little child, very bad sport.
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Bro....
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The guy was nuts...built his body by using volume and gear then flipped the script to make big coin.....believe otherwise and be a sheep.
Brutal if true
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Hello Governor Schwarzenegger
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A lot of that makes sense. Although pretty sure Mentzer was a bit more popular at the time than you're describing here. But I see your point. His legend definitely benefited more from his post competitive career than his actual onstage performance.
The TV coverage makes total sense. It's conspiracy talk. CBS doesn't lose out if its controversial. In fact controversy is good for television I remember Ali vs. Norton III was controversial. They didn't stop covering boxing because of it. It boiled down to a cost/benefit analysis and projected tv ratings. No corporation is going to take a loss because of a little controversy. As if the executives over at CBS were so furious that Mentzer lost. Ridiculous.
The other thing is a few people were pissed at the placings. Zane and Coe were upset and those guys are on record, interviews and whatnot, saying Arnold shouldn't have won but none of them ever said Mike should've won either.
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My buddy Dave Mastorakis aka "Dave Mass' was the youngest kid who ever entered in the IFBB Mr. America the year when Dave Draper won....he was fifteen years old at the time and was a thick kid.
Anyway he saw Mike Mentzer and was impressed so became his pen pals with him....no internet back then obviously.
He ended up training with the Mike and Ray oon thereafter.....Dave and Ray made meager progress while Mike grew like a weed....then after some questioning he admitted to them that he was on gear......all three had superior genetics to begin with.
Then they all started using roids....took up Arthur Jones methods and the ret is history,but they all built their initial size by using volume with big weights.
This was told to me by Dace himself when we were hanging out in Masachusettes who couldn`t get over the fact that Mike tried to rob banks with just a note, drank piss, and ran around LA naked on top of parked cars.
in case nobody knows who Dave is.....he competed and beat some legends and is a helluva` guy but got robbed a lot of times IMO:
David Mastorakis
1965
Mr East Coast - IFBB, Teen Short, 5th
1968
Teen Mr America - AAU, 13th
1974
Mr America - IFBB, Short, 3rd
1975
Mr East Coast - IFBB, Short, 1st
Mr North America - AAU, Short, 1st
Mr USA - IFBB, Short, 5th
1976
Mr America - IFBB, Short, 3rd
1977
Mr America - IFBB, LightWeight, 3rd
Mr International - IFBB, MiddleWeight, 4th
Mr USA - IFBB, MiddleWeight, 2nd
1978
Mr America - AAU, Short, 7th
Junior Mr America - AAU, Short, 1st
1979
Mr Atlantic Coast - AAU, Overall Winner
Junior Mr America - AAU, Short, 3rd
1982
Nationals - NPC, Light-HeavyWeight, 15th
USA Championships - NPC, Light-HeavyWeight, 14th
Magazines
1979 October Vol 16, Num 5 Muscular Development
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Heavy Duty published 1993.
Heavy Duty II published 1996.
Mike Mentzer last competed 1980.
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Heavy Duty published 1993.
Heavy Duty II published 1996.
Mike Mentzer last competed 1980.
It's like that book, "The Complete Book of Running". There was a sequel. ;D
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My buddy Dave Mastorakis aka "Dave Mass'
I remember he would post on the ironage forum. Is he still around? Thought he was a proponent of Heavy Duty?
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another new video is up. A lost seminair recording
Funny watching this video. And others. I knew his brother Ray. We used to meet for breakfast at Rocky Cola Cafe in Hermosa Beach, CA. Ray's take on his brothers HIT was.... its all BS. "We trained like everyone else, including Arnold. 4 to 5 to 6 sets moving up to our final max set. Which my brother called his HIT set. So yea 1 set to failure and 4 to 5 sets to get there. Mike would leave out the warm up progression"....
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I remember he would post on the ironage forum. Is he still around? Thought he was a proponent of Heavy Duty?
He was a Heavy Duty guy and also used Nautilus a lot......do youremember Joe Mullen from ironage.....he opened the first Nautilus facility in our are in the seventies.
I moved from Mass. but he`s a friend on Facebook,not that I ever go there....heard he recently injured his hip....great guy he and his wife are the best.
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He was a Heavy Duty guy and also used Nautilus a lot......do youremember Joe Mullen from ironage.....he opened the first Nautilus facility in our are in the seventies.
I moved from Mass. but he`s a friend on Facebook,not that I ever go there....heard he recently injured his hip....great guy he and his wife are the best.
Do they even make Nautilus equipment anymore?
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Do they even make Nautilus equipment anymore?
I`m not sure....I don`t think so though. ???
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I`m not sure....I don`t think so though. ???
Arthur Jones said they were the greatest invention since the barbell for athletes. Guess not.
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Arthur Jones said they were the greatest invention since the barbell for athletes. Guess not.
Nautilus is still in business. They make exercise bikes, elipticals, and treadmills. The same company also owns bowflex.
Nautilus was the forerunner for just about every machine you see in the gym now, so I would hardly call them a failure. When it comes to inventions, you always give credit to the first even though everything that follow will be better. Look at how much innovation there's been in exercise equipment since the first Nautilus and look at how different the modern gym looks today.
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Nautilus is still in business and doing well.
They also own bowflex, schwinn, universal, etc.
Gary Jones (Art's son) started Hammer-Strength with Kim Wood, also very successful.
(Now owned by Life Fitness, who also owns Cybex, SciFit, etc)
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It's like that book, "The Complete Book of Running". There was a sequel. ;D
Is Jim Fixx still dead?
:D
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Nautilus is still in business and doing well.
They also own bowflex, schwinn, universal, etc.
Gary Jones (Art's son) started Hammer-Strength with Kim Wood, also very successful.
(Now owned by Life Fitness, who also owns Cybex, SciFit, etc)
All those companies are shit except Hammer-Strength which Jones' son was disowned because he built something better than Nautilus. Bowflex doesn't even have any eccentric resistance so does very little to build strength or hypertrophy.
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Nautilus 4 Way Neck Machine, Lying Leg Curls, and Pullovers are great as well as the Dual Squat Machine.......but not as much.
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Nautilus is still in business. They make exercise bikes, elipticals, and treadmills. The same company also owns bowflex.
Nautilus was the forerunner for just about every machine you see in the gym now, so I would hardly call them a failure. When it comes to inventions, you always give credit to the first even though everything that follow will be better. Look at how much innovation there's been in exercise equipment since the first Nautilus and look at how different the modern gym looks today.
I don't think I ever trained anywhere that had their equipment... and I'm a free weights sort of person I suppose. But I always thought that if you were going to design machines, then wherever possible, matching the resistance to the strength of the muscle through the range of the movement kinda made logical sense - cams, and all that. I always enjoy using a pullover with a decent cam design, for example
A machine that seems to have gone out of fashion for some reason is the pec-deck - I hardly ever see anyone using them nowadays? Only injury I ever had (touch wood) was from one of those things hundreds of years ago - trying to use too much weight showing off like a prick and strained my rotator cuff - anyone on here still use them..?
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There is logic in much of this regarding recovery.
https://www.mike-mentzer.com/most-productive-routine/
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A machine that seems to have gone out of fashion for some reason is the pec-deck - I hardly ever see anyone using them nowadays? Only injury I ever had (touch wood) was from one of those things hundreds of years ago - trying to use too much weight showing off like a prick and strained my rotator cuff - anyone on here still use them..?
tried a pec-deck once or twice, hated it.
i mainly use barbells & dumbbells, always have. some machines i like, but dont use them often. Of course for thing slike leg-curls/extensions, etc they are valuable.
main issue i see with machines, many use them 100% and they just spend their entire workout sitting on their ass.
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I don't think I ever trained anywhere that had their equipment... and I'm a free weights sort of person I suppose. But I always thought that if you were going to design machines, then wherever possible, matching the resistance to the strength of the muscle through the range of the movement kinda made logical sense - cams, and all that. I always enjoy using a pullover with a decent cam design, for example
A machine that seems to have gone out of fashion for some reason is the pec-deck - I hardly ever see anyone using them nowadays? Only injury I ever had (touch wood) was from one of those things hundreds of years ago - trying to use too much weight showing off like a prick and strained my rotator cuff - anyone on here still use them..?
Pec Decs have been replaced by this...
(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/9ad54b_28dc259d2915416d9332cfd027298344.gif)
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There is logic in much of this regarding recovery.
https://www.mike-mentzer.com/most-productive-routine/ (https://www.mike-mentzer.com/most-productive-routine/)
I think recovery is by far the most critical factor in training.
I keep track of my 10 second power uphill in bicycling- it is a benchmark for sprinting ability. I have been chasing a particular number outdoors on my road bike- 1200 watts- for over 6 months. I have been inching up to it but it has been elusive. Recently I had to take 4 days off from cycling due to business (Dubai).
I jumped on my bike and went out for a ride. Feeling good, I tried the hill climb and was shocked to see I broke my previous best by 50 watts. That is like breaking your bench record by 25 pounds. in the past I was giving myself 3 easy days between sprint sessions and felt perfectly recovered. But this time I did absolutely nothing for 4 days and destroyed my previous record.
Mentzer was right in this regard.
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I train at home now with just iron.....fuck machines.
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I train at home now with just iron.....fuck machines.
I completely lift by dumbbells now and feel a lot better than when I used the machines at Gold's.
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Is Jim Fixx still dead?
:D
Yup! But I think Mentzer faked his death. ;D
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There is logic in much of this regarding recovery.
https://www.mike-mentzer.com/most-productive-routine/
I agree with what you say also with the premise that this was Mentzer's most productive routine. I have tried the way Mike wrote about in his last book and it nearly killed me. I could not train for a week or more after a session lasting maybe 10 to 15 minutes.
But the routine mentioned in the link you provided is fairly sound as are the thoughts on rest. Mentzer was also on a truckload of steroids and that stuff makes recovery not only faster but more complete if you will. I saw the brothers and Viator train one time at the original Gold's. It was, as Pamith would say, brutal.
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Yup! But I think Mentzer faked his death. ;D
He's alive and living in Dubai, India.
Personal trainer to the Maharaja.
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He's alive and living in Dubai, India.
Personal trainer to the Maharaja.
Probably worshiped as a minor god over there. ;D
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I train at home now with just iron.....fuck machines.
(https://giffiles.alphacoders.com/234/23465.gif)
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I completely lift by dumbbells now and feel a lot better than when I used the machines at Gold's.
I came to realize that I didn`t feel most of the machines in the targeted muscle areas I was working....I just did them cuz everybody else did them.
Leg Press and Hacks are all I truly miss.
I`m training hard at home and looking much better and stronger plus I`m saving over 700 dollars a year in gym fees and avoiding a ton of assholes who frequent the place and take up my space.
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You nut. LOL ;D
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Pec Decs have been replaced by this...
(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/9ad54b_28dc259d2915416d9332cfd027298344.gif)
That makes sense - better kinesiology for sure
I train at home now with just iron.....fuck machines.
Iron Fuck Machines sounds like a Metal Band ;D
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That makes sense - better kinesiology for sure
Iron Fuck Machines sounds like a Metal Band ;D
Dammit! That be funny! Thanks, brother!
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Dammit! That be funny! Thanks, brother!
;D
Hope you're well my friend
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I train at home now with just iron.....fuck machines.
one of the girls i fucked over quarantine used fuck machines too. pretty progressive for a man to admit to using them on a bodybuilding forum.
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That makes sense - better kinesiology for sure
Iron Fuck Machines sounds like a Metal Band ;D
I`ve got all their albums. LOL ;D
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one of the girls i fucked over quarantine used fuck machines too. pretty progressive for a man to admit to using them on a bodybuilding forum.
Are you claiming that you actually got some pussy ???
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one of the girls i fucked over quarantine used fuck machines too. pretty progressive for a man to admit to using them on a bodybuilding forum.
LOL
Talking of Fuck-Machines - as we now appear to be doing - I follow Margie Martin on IG and note that she has pulled multiple posts over time - see #4
For example (and I'm not imagining this)
1. All photos of her ex-BF once she turned lesbian with that tattooed chick
2. All photos of that tattooed lesbian once they broke up
3. A shot of a huge bag of bud/weed between her legs when only wearing a bikini
4. A kind of advert for one of those 'dildo on a rod driven by a cam' machines that I think we are referencing
She's got at least one kid, so maybe they tell her off or something, but man I find that strange...🤔
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LOL
Talking of Fuck-Machines - as we now appear to be doing - I follow Margie Martin on IG and note that she has pulled multiple posts over time - see #4
For example (and I'm not imagining this)
1. All photos of her ex-BF once she turned lesbian with that tattooed chick
2. All photos of that tattooed lesbian once they broke up
3. A shot of a huge bag of bud/weed between her legs when only wearing a bikini
4. A kind of advert for one of those 'dildo on a rod driven by a cam' machines that I think we are referencing
She's got at least one kid, so maybe they tell her off or something, but man I find that strange...🤔
Strange indeed. ???
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LOL
Talking of Fuck-Machines - as we now appear to be doing - I follow Margie Martin on IG and note that she has pulled multiple posts over time - see #4
For example (and I'm not imagining this)
1. All photos of her ex-BF once she turned lesbian with that tattooed chick
2. All photos of that tattooed lesbian once they broke up
3. A shot of a huge bag of bud/weed between her legs when only wearing a bikini
4. A kind of advert for one of those 'dildo on a rod driven by a cam' machines that I think we are referencing
She's got at least one kid, so maybe they tell her off or something, but man I find that strange...🤔
name didn't ring a bell, but think i used to follow her.
i'm guessing the girls who use those machines have sex drives like dudes, but don't actually wanna fuck a bunch of random guys. that was the case with this chic. super popular livestreamer who ran a family of live streamers, 3 kids and single for like 6-7yrs. no sex in that time either, but still had to get off a few times a day (mostly anal btw). chic made good money and the last machine she got when i was with her was like $6k
she lived too far away. was like an hour and a half drive and didn't want me to stay over because of the kids... that and the livestreaming shit is bad for any kinda long term relationship. but was fun while it lasted.
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name didn't ring a bell, but think i used to follow her.
i'm guessing the girls who use those machines have sex drives like dudes, but don't actually wanna fuck a bunch of random guys. that was the case with this chic. super popular livestreamer who ran a family of live streamers, 3 kids and single for like 6-7yrs. no sex in that time either, but still had to get off a few times a day (mostly anal btw). chic made good money and the last machine she got when i was with her was like $6k
she lived too far away. was like an hour and a half drive and didn't want me to stay over because of the kids... that and the livestreaming shit is bad for any kinda long term relationship. but was fun while it lasted.
Yes, from what I can tell, Margie has a very big... er... 'sex drive' ;D
(http://i.postimg.cc/P5TNMVsH/explosive-margie-martin-riverdale-georgia-shows-off-her-awesome-.jpg)
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:-[ Good lord.
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Yes, from what I can tell, Margie has a very big... er... 'sex drive' ;D
(http://i.postimg.cc/P5TNMVsH/explosive-margie-martin-riverdale-georgia-shows-off-her-awesome-.jpg)
(http://thumbs2.imagebam.com/3f/10/80/5c24c71036571214.jpg)
He’s not complaining! Do you think he enjoys sucking on it?
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(http://thumbs2.imagebam.com/3f/10/80/5c24c71036571214.jpg)
He’s not complaining! Do you think he enjoys sucking on it?
;D
He might have - but he's history now - she dumped him for a muscular tattooed 'Pink' lookalike. And last time I checked I think she'd dumped her too...
Hmm... time for some 'research' ;D
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;D
He might have - but he's history now - she dumped him for a muscular tattooed 'Pink' lookalike. And last time I checked I think she'd dumped her too...
Hmm... time for some 'research' ;D
#researchpurposes
:P
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#researchpurposes
:P
Exhibit A - fruity behaviour
(http://i.postimg.cc/Hky4pBTN/MM1.jpg)
https://www.instagram.com/p/COu0HdZhrrZ/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/COu0HdZhrrZ/)
Exhibit B - dirty drugs
(https://i.postimg.cc/4NCpWp6b/MM2.jpg)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CN48kySB7a9/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CN48kySB7a9/)
Gone back 18 months or so now, no sign of any significant other - of either gender - so I think I'm right. I'll leave you with this quote from her:
"marvelousv
My Quads are called Christmas and Thanksgiving because the best eating is in between Holidays 🤪"
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Yes, from what I can tell, Margie has a very big... er... 'sex drive' ;D
(http://i.postimg.cc/P5TNMVsH/explosive-margie-martin-riverdale-georgia-shows-off-her-awesome-.jpg)
Bigger balls than Mike O'Hearn.
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Exhibit A - fruity behaviour
(http://i.postimg.cc/Hky4pBTN/MM1.jpg)
https://www.instagram.com/p/COu0HdZhrrZ/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/COu0HdZhrrZ/)
Exhibit B - dirty drugs
(https://i.postimg.cc/4NCpWp6b/MM2.jpg)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CN48kySB7a9/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CN48kySB7a9/)
Hahaha!
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Bigger balls than Mike O'Hearn.
At the risk of tangentialising (sp?) once too often in what I forgot was originally a Mentzer thread! ;D
Mandatory repost
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At the risk of tangentialising (sp?) once too often in what I forgot was originally a Mentzer thread! ;D
Mandatory repost
Now Mentzer approved
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Now Mentzer approved
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=677900.0;attach=1360083;image)
:D
(http://media.giphy.com/media/GStLeae4F7VIs/giphy-downsized-large.gif)
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Philosophy in a car with John Little and Mike Mentzer
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More on philosophy and objectivism
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Yes, from what I can tell, Margie has a very big... er... 'sex drive' ;D
(http://i.postimg.cc/P5TNMVsH/explosive-margie-martin-riverdale-georgia-shows-off-her-awesome-.jpg)
Damn near hanging dong.
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(https://i.redd.it/v2zcnj6rc1t41.jpg).
(https://preview.redd.it/hl8map27mbs71.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=6b9b2c1c5599c599cc2654894bb3e252bdbf68d9).
(https://fbbpornvideos.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/ebony-fbb-shower1.jpg).
(https://i.redd.it/dvqfrz9ur1141.jpg).
(https://cdn4.hdporn.pics//uploads11/posters/2/51/sport-margie-v-martin-8wJCSJ.jpg).
"I know where that hand was going mister" -
(https://ytimg.googleusercontent.com/vi/WeMDCXRenzg/mqdefault.jpg).
Hope this wasn't her kid -
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Lol, the schmoe is strong -
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Funny watching this video. And others. I knew his brother Ray. We used to meet for breakfast at Rocky Cola Cafe in Hermosa Beach, CA. Ray's take on his brothers HIT was.... its all BS. "We trained like everyone else, including Arnold. 4 to 5 to 6 sets moving up to our final max set. Which my brother called his HIT set. So yea 1 set to failure and 4 to 5 sets to get there. Mike would leave out the warm up progression"....
Yep. Mentzer did more volume than he'd advocated in his writings. Yates was the same. He would do more sets in the offseason and save that blood and guts training for pre contest.
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Why are we still talking about this failed human being? He was nothing but a junkie with a mental illness along with a narcissistic personality disorder. John Little really does seem to have a huge hard on for Mentzer which makes me wonder if they had an intimate relationship at one point since Mentzer was gay. Little can't stop praising Mentzer enough it's embarrassing.
As for the 1980 olympia there really is no controversy. This ongoing myth really needs to die now. Controversial? Not really, big guys always have the advantage. Dorian over Ray and mostly Cutler over Dexter etc. Arnold was big and developed while the other competitors were tiny compared to him. Bigger is better in the real world.
First up. The story of CBS sports, which was covering the event, had supposedly Mentzer pegged as the winner before the contest results were announced. After the contest, they pulled their crew and never aired the coverage and never covered the O again. Well that’s all a lie.
The reality is there was never any statements by CBS about a fix or anything at all. No footage was broadcast because the filming crew had run out of tape. That’s all it was. They never filmed the whole thing. The story about CBS pulling because of a "fix"was conjured up by Coe and Mentzer since they were bitter losers and wanted to discredited Arnold. The story is still being kept alive by fans of Mentzer’s training philosphy who want to rewrite history, because what else do they have to hang on to? Nothing.
Secondly. Mentzer was never a contender. Mentzer still would have been in 4th place even if Arnold never entered. This whole Arnold vs Mentzer thing was created years later he was never a real threat onstage. He was a footnote and nothing more. Revisionist history. He became a contender years after the fact when he had a resurgence of popularity from his HIT training system. Back in 1980 he was just a footnote now somehow he was better than Arnold. People can’t seperate their need to embellish his brief competitive record because they like HIT. So they make it seem like Arnold and Mentzer were rivals, when Arnold barely knew Mentzer existed most of the time. Arnolds only rivals were Sergio and Ferrigno. Mentzer just wasn’t worth noting as competition and no one would remember him if he hadn’t become an author of HIT books later in life.
Mentzer couldn’t even beat Zane or Dickerson and they were pretty small. HIT devotees want to deify their idol though so they won’t stop claiming he was the rightful winner despite the evidence. Ludicrous. Mike Mentzer places lower than he felt and spends the rest of his ‘career’ whining about it.
And another thing about Mentzer- his HIT is BS. Did he train like that? Nope. First he says train 4 days a week, then his HIT gets more minimal over the years so he can get some attention. Finally, how often did he advocate training a bodypart- once every 12 days or something? Just a pile of BS to generate money. Nothing more.
As for Arnold not being at his best is he didn’t need to be. He didn’t have to be at his best. Do you know why Arnold risked his legacy to compete one more time? Because it was a WEAK line-up. All the major contenders were gone like Sergio, Ferrigno and Nubret and all Arnold had to do was beat a bunch of B-Listers who were half his size. None of them could be a dominate Mr Olympia they were just keeping the seat warm until a guy like Haney showed up.
Zane beat Mentzer at the 79 Olympia but both guys were pretty small, and in 1980 Mentzer finished a distant 5th while Zane got 3rd. There were a lot of guys in the contest but they were all B-list or C-list in some cases so stacked doesn’t mean much at all just a lot of filler. Now if an A-list guy like Sergio had of competed Arnold may not of entered. Only Samir had the potential and drive but he finished 15th in 1980. So yeah full but weak line-up at this contest.
The big guys had moved on, and the second tier guys were left or do you really think a small guy like Dickerson could have beat Sergio? Nope. Between the Arnold and Haney years was the rise of the smaller, skinnier Olympians who put more emphasis on conditioning rather than mass.
Anyway Zane was way off, Dickerson was too small and Samir was a long way from achieving his potential so none them posed a significant threat to Arnold which is why he entered and won.
And finally, people tend to believe what other people tell them about the 1980 contest, that is until they get to see the actual evidence for themselves and realise it was really was much ado about nothing. For some people it can be quite a surprise to realise that the judging wasn’t some great scandalous betrayal of everything that was good and holy like Mentzer constantly claimed in his articles up until death finally let him get over it. It’s funny how people always say how Arnold’s prestige affected the results, when all this “controversy” is due to Mentzer’s constant crying about the result! It was MENTZER who has created a hype around himself! He didn’t like Arnold’s training style, so he didn’t like Arnold. Mike just could not stop acting like a little child, very bad sport.
this windbag idiot calling multiple mr o winners b listers
they all were small, that was just bodybuilding then. they were more like athletes then. menzer should have been second. contests werent based on sheer condition then from what i have seen. if it had mentzer was much better than 5th
they all had small legs
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this windbag idiot calling multiple mr o winners b listers
they all were small, that was just bodybuilding then. they were more like athletes then. menzer should have been second. contests werent based on sheer condition then from what i have seen. if it had mentzer was much better than 5th
they all had small legs
That they were. They certainly weren't giants. I see you're just another mentzer fan boy who doesn't like facts. Mentzer was not a person to look up to. He was a loser. Anytime anything was too hard to do he'd quit. Olympic lifting, the air force, med school, bodybuilding, life itself. Mentzer would just quit when things got to tough for him to handle. Definitely not a role model nor an inspiration. He talked the talked but could never walk the walk.
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MIKE MENTZER: "MY CONVERSATIONS WITH DORIAN YATES" :D
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That they were. They certainly weren't giants. I see you're just another mentzef fan boy who doesn't like facts. Mentzer was not a person to look up to. He was a loser. Anytime anything was too hard to do he'd quit. Olympic lifting, the air force, med school, bodybuilding, life itself. Mentzer would just quit when things got to tough for him to handle. Definitely not a role model nor an inspiration. He talked the talked but could never walk the walk.
Good point.
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That they were. They certainly weren't giants. I see you're just another mentzef fan boy who doesn't like facts. Mentzer was not a person to look up to. He was a loser. Anytime anything was too hard to do he'd quit. Olympic lifting, the air force, med school, bodybuilding, life itself. Mentzer would just quit when things got to tough for him to handle. Definitely not a role model nor an inspiration. He talked the talked but could never walk the walk.
Why do you care if someone is a "Mentzer fan boy"? Who are we to judge the life decisions he made?
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Yep. Mentzer did more volume than he'd advocated in his writings. Yates was the same. He would do more sets in the offseason and save that blood and guts training for pre contest.
maybe if he had done that the other way around he wouldnt have torn himself apart
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The definition in Mentzer's back and hamstrings is way better than Arnold's. Also compare the size of Mike's triceps to Arnold's.
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Why are the judges calling for a comparison of first and fifth place? Clearly they thought these were the top two. Who has better legs?
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The call out here was for a triceps pose.
What's the famous Arnold quote. If you don't have it, don't show it.
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Cherry picking photos. Mentzer looked 5th place in the lineup.
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Why are the judges calling for a comparison of first and fifth place? Clearly they thought these were the top two. Who has better legs?
Who Won ?????
;D :D ;D :D ;D
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Arnold thought his "tricks" would go over the way they had always gone over. He thought by showing up at the last minute he would psyche everyone out, win the show and everyone would laugh it off.
There must've been a lot of resentment towards Arnold. No one can agree on who should've won. Mike thought he should've won. Boyer, Dickerson, Walker, couldn't really say who should've won only that Arnold shouldn't have. But no one thought Dickerson looked good either. But he placed above all those other guys too.
Same with Franco in 81. For all the controversy about Franco how the hell did Dickerson place above everyone else. Then he wins in 82 with a torn pec and two torn biceps. Dickerson, at his peak had some really good qualities but even without muscle tears he didn't really look like a Mr. Olympia winner.
Fans didn't necessarily like Dickerson but his placing 2nd and winning never stirred up the resentment that Arnold did among their fellow bodybuilders.
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Arnold thought his "tricks" would go over the way they had always gone over. He thought by showing up at the last minute he would psyche everyone out, win the show and everyone would laugh it off.
There must've been a lot of resentment towards Arnold. No one can agree on who should've won. Mike thought he should've won. Boyer, Dickerson, Walker, couldn't really say who should've won only that Arnold shouldn't have. But no one thought Dickerson looked good either. But he placed above all those other guys too.
Same with Franco in 81. For all the controversy about Franco how the hell did Dickerson place above everyone else. Then he wins in 82 with a torn pec and two torn biceps. Dickerson, at his peak had some really good qualities but even without muscle tears he didn't really look like a Mr. Olympia winner.
Fans didn't necessarily like Dickerson but his placing 2nd and winning never stirred up the resentment that Arnold did among their fellow bodybuilders.
Jealousy - No other competitor thought they should've won
only Meth head Mike - Yet Chimp face Chris gets 2nd & Mike is Seemingly ok with that.
Arnold Won - Not at His Biggest & best no - Still god enough to eek out The Win.
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Jealousy - No other competitor thought they should've won
only Meth head Mike - Yet Chimp face Chris gets 2nd & Mike is Seemingly ok with that.
Arnold Won - Not at His Biggest & best no - Still god enough to eek out The Win.
I beg to differ. General consensus among competitors themselves(!!!) was that Mentzer should have won.
As evident here:
But it's ofcourse also clear as day from pictures of comparisons that Mentzer did win aswell.
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I beg to differ. General consensus among competitors themselves(!!!) was that Mentzer should have won.
As evident here:
But it's ofcourse also clear as day from pictures of comparisons that Mentzer did win aswell.
Opinions vary- And Mentzer Didn't win - in fact 5 place ::)
Long way off from !st.
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Mike is like the midcard wrestler who was Intercontinental champion at one time, but a select few thought he deserved the heavyweight title 40 years later ala Rick Rude or Mr. Perfect. I think both of those guys deserved a championship over this whiny, methead midget who let a defeat ruin his life :P
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Mike is like the midcard wrestler who was Intercontinental champion at one time, but a select few thought he deserved the heavyweight title 40 years later ala Rick Rude or Mr. Perfect. I think both of those guys deserved a championship over this whiny, methead midget who let a defeat ruin his life :P
Curt Henning was AWA world heavyweight champion before he jumped to the WWF and became Mr. Perfect.
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Curt Henning was AWA world heavyweight champion before he jumped to the WWF and became Mr. Perfect.
Rude was the WCW Champion as well, but we all know WWF is the only one that matters
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Rude was the WCW Champion as well, but we all know WWF is the only one that matters
For the little kids. The real wrestling fans didn't care for the cartoon like WWF.
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For the little kids. The real wrestling fans didn't care for the cartoon like WWF.
I was a stupid little kid during those days. Brutal and true!
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I beg to differ. General consensus among competitors themselves(!!!) was that Mentzer should have won.
As evident here:
But it's ofcourse also clear as day from pictures of comparisons that Mentzer did win aswell.
Ah, you've been watching John Little too much. He still trying to revise history by making out that Mentzer won while the evidence proves why he didn't. Little has a hard on for Mentzer which makes me suspect the 2 were once lovers. Mentzer was gay after all. Every vid John does on hit is about Mentzer but he fails to show any actual evidence of hit working. He's got a new vid out now about the 1980 olympia from mentzer's point of view.
As any of us sensible ones know that Mentzer played the victim after the 1980 olympia. He really thought he was going to win that one, lol. He couldnt even beat Zane so to think he was ever going to win against Arnold was nothing but a delusion and Mentzer did love his delusions. He really thought he was a legend in his own head while, back in the real world, he was a has been that never was. This whole conspiracy of the 1980 olympia was conjured up by Mentzer years after the contest had taken place and it goes on thanks to the likes of scam men John Heart and John Little. Gotta keep Mentzer relevant somehow even when HD hit has failed to deliver.
Mentzer claimed the the judges were all good friends with Arnold. Not true. Most were associates but not best buddies. Besides, a lot of the contenders were friends of the judges as well. Even Mentzer knew a lot of them. To say it was a fix is a fallacy. The score sheets proves this. Arnold just barely made it to the top spot. It was very close between the top 3.
The problem with mentzer is just because he won a so called perfect score at the universe did not mean he had a perfect body but mentzer, in his ever growing delusional mind, was convinced he did. When he came 5th in the 1980 olympia it did not shatter his delusion. In fact, it only strengthen his insane mind. He was now convinced Weider and the judges were against him so they "fixed" the contest for Arnold to win. Never-ending the fact that Mentzer was in poor shape. A deflated chest, a fat ass, small arms, undeveloped back, narrow shoulders, protruding gut, poor posing (he kept relaxing mid pose) these flaws are NOT going to win him an Olympia. That's a fact.
Mentzer was a WEAK man. He was being paid by Weider 200,000 a year to write articles for him. Not bad money for writing a load of bs in a muscle mag. But no, Mentzer left that as well. He could've just accepted the fact he was never going to be Mr Olympia and just settle making good money writing for Weider. No big deal.
But no. Mentzer left. Spent his money in poor investments, like buying second hand TV equipment I believe, not to mention his drug habits. He soon found himself destitute, homeless, broke, girlfriend leaving him, instutionalised a few times, arrested etc. Some role model. The guy was a complete loon.
But John Little likes to skip all these facts and tries too hard in revising history making Mentzer the hero and the rest as villains. Mentzer should be forgotten. He was a liar and a crook. Making out he only trained 3 hours a week while, in fact, he was doing w0 to 25 sets bodypart in his workouts. Just go and ask John Terrilli who trained with Mentzer. It certainly was not low volume.
Best stop listening to Mentzer worshippers like John Little. That guy was always putting his name on scam training books like body of science and power factor. All useless and it certainly didn't do Little any favours as he is...Little.
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Is there a more iconic pic of a BBer in normal clothes than this?
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Anyone that says mike was not a good bodybuilder is a fucking moron
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This boring old debate again? Mike was good. Yet when compared to Arnold he looked like a short blocky 12 year old boy. Just look at the image overlays on the web. Arnold absolutely destroys Mike. Out massed and outclassed. Better charisma. Onstage presence everything. Even at Arnold's weakest showing he decimated all competition on the stage that day. These crybabies did not bring a good enough package to compete. Lol
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Anyone that says mike was not a good bodybuilder is a fucking moron
Are there many who say he didn't have a Good physique ?
he was one of the best in his era - only Didn't win The Olympia.
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Is there a more iconic pic of a BBer in normal clothes than this?
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=677900.0;attach=1387054;image)
(https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/102687718_3026101244171168_4329643655399346797_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=a26aad&_nc_ohc=5-SKrEIaCYMAX9cOW2S&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-2.xx&oh=00_AT8PTnpFUvjoCkPanLHKFj3PlSCT2PC2r6uSptfBBnsMpQ&oe=63217BC4)
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That’s the first one to come to mind for me. Not that cruster Mentzer
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Mentzer lost and tons of people can`t accept it even today.......fucking retards! LOL ;D
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That’s the first one to come to mind for me. Not that cruster Mentzer
rambone did you know sergio claimed he got into his best shape when he trained with arthur jones down in florida he said that white son of a bitch pushed me hard.
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rambone did you know sergio claimed he got into his best shape when he trained with arthur jones down in florida he said that white son of a bitch pushed me hard.
Haha I totally forgot about this and appreciate you sharing it. Any pics during this time?
I think these are some
(https://www.builtreport.com/photos/oliva-d.jpg)
(https://content.invisioncic.com/a307104/monthly_2021_02/1963915827_1971HugeMassofSergioOlivaTrainingwithArthurJones.thumb.jpg.2c862edd94971afbac123f7f814de263.jpg)
(https://content.invisioncic.com/a307104/monthly_2021_02/1630341785_SergioOlivaTrainingwithArthurJones-NautilusEquipment.jpg.2ba81f6c2e5ffc9aa7b386f791632272.jpg)
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Mike Mentzer
1980
Olympia - IFBB, 5th
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Arnold Schwarzenegger
1980
Olympia - IFBB, Winner
NUFF FUCKING SAID !!!
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Why are the judges calling for a comparison of first and fifth place? Clearly they thought these were the top two. Who has better legs?
Mentzer didn't even bother to shave his pits.
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new tapes
1980 Mr. O. Behind the scenes
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new tapes
1980 Mr. O. Behind the scenes
Yawn..more cock and bull from Little.
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Yawn..more cock and bull from Little.
Everyone in the comment section is a Mentzer fanboy.