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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: IronMagazine.com on June 14, 2022, 12:26:39 AM
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Most dummies buy this shit, thinking they'll get huge from some plant extracts. Plants dont even get big from it.
Real ecdy/turk "can" help with recovery for natties, thats about it. 99% of the stuff on the market is fake Chinese stuff.
The real Russian stuff is harvested once a year each AUG and is very pricey.
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Most dummies buy this shit, thinking they'll get huge from some plant extracts. Plants dont even get big from it.
Real ecdy/turk "can" help with recovery for natties, thats about it. 99% of the stuff on the market is fake Chinese stuff.
The real Russian stuff is harvested once a year each AUG and is very pricey.
You won't even get huge from real testosterone, let alone dumb insect steroids.
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You won't even get huge from real testosterone, let alone dumb insect steroids.
Exactly RT...
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A mate did turk and he felt more energy on it and his strength went up.
Its nothing comparable to steroids but some people dont respond to turk, some do
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A mate did turk and he felt more energy on it and his strength went up.
Its nothing comparable to steroids but some people dont respond to turk, some do
Placebo... Unless he got the real stuff (which is rare) like in Mass Pro Synthagen, he took garbage...
Unless he's a noob trainer, his strength is not going up on Turk. Some folks dont like to admit theyve been duped...
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Guy from Nootropics depot had a long form post on their Reddit page about this. He lab tested MPMD stuff among others...
Lot of Turk out there that has no turk or very little.
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Why not just be natty?
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Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
OK so turkesterone does the same thing as other ecdysteroids but it is more potent. What does that mean? That means it takes a lower dose of turk to exert the particular beneficial biological effect
Ok so lets say turk is 5 times more potent than beta-ecdysterone. But its 1000 times more expensive. You see where i am going?
JUST TAKE MORE BETA-ECDYSTERONE AND STFU. DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
debate over
^ Pat more than a decade ago on Turkesterone and the solution for it. And then there was the was the elephant in the room of just using real steroids that will actually work.
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Once you pop a turk capsule in your mouth, you’re no longer natty.
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Use you pop a turk capsule in your mouth, you’re no longer natty.
Dont forget "dat dere creatine". Steroid like gains, and HMB is like Deca...
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Is it like Tribestan from Bulgaria? :o
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Dont forget "dat dere creatine". Steroid like gains, and HMB is like Deca...
Dat dere Bill Phillips marketing protocols
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Test is the Best! So much garbage being sold from companies like IML and others.
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Without looking at the videos, has Derek halted the turkesterone sales? What does he say? I love shit like this.
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Without looking at the videos, has Derek halted the turkesterone sales? What does he say? I love shit like this.
Says he will post more and higher quality tests of them when he has them sometime this week. They're going at it in the comments portion of the first video. The bulk of it between them -
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Bold title. "Might sell supplements himself". Yes. He's a competitor, and he has done this for years. We have additional third party test results (not using UV-Vis) and have posted elaborate responses in my threads. Our standards come from Chromadex (same place as him). Would've been ideal if you posted my subreddit thread responses too, but I understand that the video would've been very longwinded at that point.
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@Sika Strength there's a LC-MS too, which from what I've seen is reliable for differentiating between Ecdysteroids (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35420509/). Posting to the same subreddit thread when I get it over email, was the weekend and couldn't get it on a whim (I don't keep much saved on my computer, had to get it forwarded).
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@Nick Falzone the difference in price between LC-MS and UV-Vis are not so astronomical that you could possibly chalk this up to "he wanted to keep QC costs low". We spend millions of dollars on products, if it costs us another $1-2K or whatever it was to get a higher sensitivity test, that's totally worth it. Our first test ever ran on our stuff was UV-Vis to verify the COA standardization matched. We then sent out that same batch of product on our own again separately and got LC-MS done, with a standard purchased from Chromadex, and tested out as hitting the mark for active Turk, which was reassuring as LC-MS seems to be undoubtedly sensitive enough to stratify and avoid potential cross-detection. Truth be told, I don't fully comprehend the chemistry, which is why we pay iso accredited labs to do our unbiased third party testing (why would they care if it came back as legit or not, if it came back as bunk then they'd make more money the more subsequent tests we run with them). If they deemed it appropriate to do LC-MS when we asked for high quality testing, presumably it was to accomplish this sensitivity metric that stratifies between phytoecdysteroids. We wanted high quality testing done, and I believe we did our due diligence on that. I can't speak for other companies in this industry as the claim is that literally every company in the industry is bunk, but we went out of our way to do it as stringently as possible.
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@Hero Hei it was just the weekend. I don't have everything saved on my computer. I am waiting to get our LC-MS results we got right when we started selling it forwarded to me. I already posted our UV-Vis results. Those showed our material was 10%, but it wasn't satisfactory for specificity evidently. LC-MS eliminates any of the concerns that came with UV-Vis (from what I've been told by chemists and other unbiased experts), and we have those too. They'll be posted on my subreddit thread where this all unfolded once I get them in. In the meantime I'm here responding to threads as if I don't reply people just assume the worst. Of course this is partially damage control, but mainly its defending my name. Look at the title, I need to comment with my side obviously or else people will assume we did nothing and no due diligence was done. I speculate very few other companies who sell Turk will come out and defend themselves or produce any third party test results (the claim here is that every company is bunk worldwide). We're doing our best to put out good products and do our due diligence.
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@More Plates More Dates I have not tested any of your products before. I have tested other products from other companies that have not met label claims for years. That's true. A decade now, actually. I didn't even know who you were. People asked me to buy the product and test it, so I did. I posted the results and all the scientific data. I didn't think it would blow up this much. Everyone out there is selling stuff that doesn't meet label claims. People are having their minds blown here, but this is not a surprising result. So much shit on the market will fail testing.
The paper you just posted is a Q-TOF LC-MS method, or quadrupole time of flight, which is not the standard LC-MS detection type. It's a specialized technology that is mostly used in R&D with high resolution mass specs. The paper was also posted 3 months ago... You are claiming ABC Testing has a very specialized Q-TOF LC-MS and have implemented and validated methods from a Korean research paper from 3 months ago? You posted a research paper about how UV-VIS was just as accurate as HPLC, which the paper didn't even claim. Now we are onto specialized Q-TOF mass spec methods?!? There is no reason to use Q-TOF LC-MS here. There are validated reference standards for both turkesterone and beta ecdysterone. The UV detector on an HPLC or UPLC is perfectly capable of seeing those two molecules, as you clearly saw from the well-defined peaks on our UPLC chromatogram. I even explained in the video that we didn't need to use our mass spec detector on the UPLC because of the chromophores on the molecules. Both turkesterone and beta ecdysterone have a ring system with double carbon bond and an alpha, beta unsaturated ketone, which form a conjugated pi system. This is what allows a UV detector to "see" the molecules. There is really no reason to get mass data; especially Q-TOF mass data.
Like I get it. This shit is blowing up. People are mad. You are mad. However, I just posted detailed scientific data about our findings. We are an ISO certified lab, and take our jobs very seriously. I just want to have people in this industry take analytical chemistry, lab testing, quality control, and scientific validation seriously. I don't want to make enemies. I don't want to get into feuds. I realize it is difficult when someone is posting inconvenient data about your products. I would be upset, too. However, I am not here making things up. The data is real. Again, I am not making any qualitative claims about the efficacy of anyone's product. This is strictly about label claims and chemistry.
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@Sika Strength If you are interested in seeing more of the data, discussing the chemistry, or anything at all, just let me know. You seem like you know what you are talking about, and like you care about the validity of the analytical chemistry used in this industry. I only want to help force this industry to be better. Things need to change.
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Reddit stuff - long threads -
Nootropics guy -
https://www.reddit.com/r/NootropicsDepot/comments/va9kvu/lab_testing_results_of_turkesterone_beta/ .
MPMD -
https://www.reddit.com/r/moreplatesmoredates/comments/vaawwc/lab_testing_results_of_turkesterone_beta/ .
Snippet of unhappy people -
https://www.reddit.com/r/moreplatesmoredates/comments/vaawwc/lab_testing_results_of_turkesterone_beta/ic1wx76/ .
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Funny shit. I seem to remember the owner of Chomadex was selling the "only realt turk like 20" years ago. Was some bald biker type having done time for roids I think.
Trying to validate some plant sterol. Before I read about these recent happenings a guy came up to me at the gym and said he and his dad had each bought a bottle? Yes I have it probably doesn't contain what the label claims and even if it did it wouldn't do nothing :D
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"Turkesterone"
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA AH HA HA HA ::)
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Why not just be natty?
Best way to go.
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You won't even get huge from real testosterone, let alone dumb insect steroids.
Not sure if serious ???
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Not sure if serious ???
Means TRT.
A gram, sure people will grow. Real TRT, nah, just helps you feel better.
I see douche's online "I just took my 1st TRT shot, when does teh magic happen"... Uhmm, it doesnt, sorry...
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a doctors opinion on the subject matter
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Dr. Melvin Goodrum there... No Turkesterone was detected there.
Vince, I know of Hi-Tech and use some of their supplements, what's the other one you mentioned? Vital Labs? (Now called Vital Alchemy)?
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Dont forget "dat dere creatine". Steroid like gains, and HMB is like Deca...
"It's like deca..."
Clowns on Rogan's show were saying the same about Turk.
Joke.
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Best way to go.
Not sure if serious ???
Is this an example of these bio-dentical hormones I’ve been hearing about?
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