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Title: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: Matt on September 23, 2022, 01:26:22 AM
Every diet camp can cherry-pick studies showing that the other diets are bad for you, but how can anyone argue meat is unhealthy, when human beings ate meat over tens of thousands of years of our evolutionary history?

Obviously eating anything in excess is going to be bad for us, but I can't buy that meat in and of itself is bad for us.

As for saving animals, how is a vegan living in a mansion, given the habitat loss such a lifestyle entails, killing fewer animals than a meat eater who is living more modestly? Vegans seem to think the only impact humans have on animals comes by way of eating them.

I simply do not have the palate for a vegan diet, and the only thing that happened to me by attempting it was that I ate even fewer overall calories, and my strength levels diminished. The most important aspect of diet is COMPLIANCE, and I just couldn't comply to the vegan diet.

But I don't feel guilty - since I live a minimalist lifestyle compared to most Westerners. That said, most Westerners have a greater impact on the planet than the average global citizen - and that's due to lifestyle. Not eating meat isn't going to change that.

As long as I'm living modestly, I'm not going to fret over specifically EATING animals. We ALL kill animals as human beings [and especially as Westerners], whether we eat them or not.

Unless I literally have no choice, I'll continue to eat meat.

Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: YngiweRhoads on September 23, 2022, 03:58:14 AM
Went vegetarian, not vegan, for 4 months. Hair started falling out. Ran to Chicken Chef. True story.

Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: Gym-Rat on September 23, 2022, 05:30:40 AM
Humans are hunter/gatherers. We eat meat.
Leaves, seeds and other things are for birds...
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on September 23, 2022, 06:18:44 AM
Been vegetarian/vegan for 2 years and never felt or looked better. 

Your experience may vary
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: SweetDaddySiki on September 23, 2022, 06:24:33 AM
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Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: SweetDaddySiki on September 23, 2022, 06:32:20 AM
Been vegetarian/vegan for 2 years and never felt or looked better. 

Your experience may vary
Have you noticed any mental or emotional changes? I remember an interview with the magician Penn or Teller (the one that talks) and he said that the first thing he noticed was how sensitive he became once he switched to veg/vegan. Not sure if he turned gay but I noticed that he's heavily invested in hair dye and trying to hide his age.
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: Gym-Rat on September 23, 2022, 06:35:58 AM
Been vegetarian/vegan for 2 years and never felt or looked better. 

Your experience may vary

Thats the key right there ^.

Not everyone reacts the same to "diets" or lifestyles.
Glad its working for you though. Even though I eat meat, I do limit red meat to like once a month.
(Mainly Turkey burger, or chicken or fish).

We'll all be living off of "Dat Dere CricketTech" soon anyways...
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on September 23, 2022, 06:54:15 AM
Have you noticed any mental or emotional changes? I remember an interview with the magician Penn or Teller (the one that talks) and he said that the first thing he noticed was how sensitive he became once he switched to veg/vegan. Not sure if he turned gay but I noticed that he's heavily invested in hair dye and trying to hide his age.

No, fwiw I'm on 100mg TRT so that might help it.  Also, I don't bodybuild or train for strength.  Vegetarian diet is likely sub-optimal for that kind of training.

What I do notice is that I feel lighter on my feet and more energy throughout the day.  I get less of the "just ate" feeling after meals.  When I do eat eggs or dairy, it seems to sit in my stomach a bit heavier and for longer, but this may all just be in my head.

Thats the key right there ^.

Not everyone reacts the same to "diets" or lifestyles.
Glad its working for you though. Even though I eat meat, I do limit red meat to like once a month.
(Mainly Turkey burger, or chicken or fish).

We'll all be living off of "Dat Dere CricketTech" soon anyways...

Yes, rising costs of meat combined w reduced future availability is a big reason why I made the switch.  Figured I might as well get used to it  ;D 

I still eat meat 1-2x a month, usually for social reasons, but it's never the prime cuts or anything like that.  Oddly enough I only crave the highly processed meat products like hot dogs, pepperoni, stuff like that.
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: Humble Narcissist on September 23, 2022, 08:59:47 AM
I hate Vegans and would never date one. If I were at dinner and the woman said she didn't eat meat I would just get up and leave.
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: joswift on September 23, 2022, 10:01:28 AM
Been vegetarian/vegan for 2 years and never felt or looked better. 

Your experience may vary

whats your blood group?
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: wes on September 23, 2022, 10:08:36 AM
FUCK `EM.......I HOPE THEY BREAK EVERY BONE IN THEIR BODIES.

JUST ANOTHER BOGUS FAD......YOU KNOW THESE DICKHEADS WANT A NICE JUICY STEAK INSTEAD OF A PLATE OF BRUSSELL SPROUTS.
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: joswift on September 23, 2022, 10:11:18 AM
they certainly break more balls if they find out you eat meat.
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: Humble Narcissist on September 23, 2022, 10:12:41 AM
FUCK `EM.......I HOPE THEY BREAK EVERY BONE IN THEIR BODIES.

JUST ANOTHER BOGUS FAD......YOU KNOW THESE DICKHEADS WANT A NICE JUICY STEAK INSTEAD OF A PLATE OF BRUSSELL SPROUTS.
Most switch back after a few years. Many sneak a burger in here and there. It's mostly for virtue signaling.
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: wes on September 23, 2022, 10:16:01 AM
Most switch back after a few years. Many sneak a burger in here and there. It's mostly for virtue signaling.
WEAKLINGS !  ;D
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on September 23, 2022, 10:41:51 AM
whats your blood group?

AB- if I recall correctly

Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: joswift on September 23, 2022, 02:42:09 PM
AB- if I recall correctly

then you have low stomach acid and meats and fats are not for you

So you should feel better eating veg

Im O group which is acidic and more suited to meats and fat digestion

Blood diets is an interseting topic
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: Tennisballz on September 23, 2022, 02:52:30 PM
Is that something you can request when doing regular blood work?
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: wes on September 23, 2022, 03:06:18 PM
(https://www.tasteofhome.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/medium-rare-steak-shutterstock_706040446.jpg?resize=768,512)

I`ll just have a small dry salad with ice water please.........NOT!
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: joswift on September 23, 2022, 03:09:38 PM
Is that something you can request when doing regular blood work?

your doctor should be able to tell you your blood group, just go give blood , they give you a card with it on.
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: Phantom Spunker on September 24, 2022, 12:46:29 AM
I've been vegetarian for around ten years and it's the best thing I've ever done in regard to how I feel about myself. Definitely lost a lot of size, but I don't really give a shit. I could easily just pay more attention to what I eat and ensure I get more protein - I just can't really be assed.
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: kreator on September 24, 2022, 02:44:19 AM
Just had ground beef mixed with 3 eggs, a couple of slices of bacon and a glass of raw milk. Delicious

Haven't eaten vegetables in almost 3 years
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: kreator on September 24, 2022, 02:46:45 AM
FUCK `EM.......I HOPE THEY BREAK EVERY BONE IN THEIR BODIES.

JUST ANOTHER BOGUS FAD......YOU KNOW THESE DICKHEADS WANT A NICE JUICY STEAK INSTEAD OF A PLATE OF BRUSSELL SPROUTS.

+ their fake smile when they stuff that garbage down their skinny throats. If their ironically highly processed food wasn't imported most of them would starve
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: B_B_C on September 24, 2022, 05:07:49 AM
I hate Vegans and would never date one. If I were at dinner and the woman said she didn't eat meat I would just get up and leave.

she probably made a judgement call on the quality of your meat :)
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: joswift on September 24, 2022, 05:12:34 AM
Just had ground beef mixed with 3 eggs, a couple of slices of bacon and a glass of raw milk. Delicious

Haven't eaten vegetables in almost 3 years

yep , me too...........
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: kreator on September 24, 2022, 12:03:47 PM
great for preventing gout

I know you're being sarcastic but you don't get gout from a carnivore diet. 
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: MAXX on September 24, 2022, 12:36:38 PM
it's not for us humans.


just the fact that a vegan has to keep track of everything he eats so he gets in the rquired essential nutrients just shows how un-natural the whole thing is.

in nature you wouldn't have google or a library or a phone app to dot in your daily foods to check if you're lacking something.

Also, you wouldn't be able to find the stuff you find in stores for your lacking nutrients. In nature if you lacked some aminos you would kill something.

With that said, I'm definately not saying carnivore is the right thing either. Biologicaly we are hunters, AND Gatherers.
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: loco on September 24, 2022, 12:43:05 PM
yep , me too...........

Me 3.
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: illuminati on September 24, 2022, 01:06:04 PM
(https://www.tasteofhome.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/medium-rare-steak-shutterstock_706040446.jpg?resize=768,512)

I`ll just have a small dry salad with ice water please.........NOT!

Yes Please  :D
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: illuminati on September 24, 2022, 01:08:18 PM
FUCK `EM.......I HOPE THEY BREAK EVERY BONE IN THEIR BODIES.

JUST ANOTHER BOGUS FAD......YOU KNOW THESE DICKHEADS WANT A NICE JUICY STEAK INSTEAD OF A PLATE OF BRUSSELL SPROUTS.


I wonder How Vegan / Vegetarians Managed in Stone age Times
Or Pretty much right up till the last Few years in Human Time span.  ;D
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: TheShape. on September 24, 2022, 01:50:37 PM
If I had to eat only one thing it would be only meat. You can’t grow on vegetables
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: beakdoctor on September 24, 2022, 02:31:17 PM
My sister in law is vegan or vegetarian whatever.  IDK the difference and I dont fucking care.

She's a natty fitness competitor/ bodybuilder. (If you consider amphetamines nattural) If she weren't black she'd be considered skinny fat. But as it is she naturally holds more muscle than your average chick. Honestly though she became vegan as she got into bodybuilding and although she lost weight she doesn't look anymore muscular now than she's ever looked. Plus her husband is an idiot that makes a fortune and has bought her a new butt, lipo and some other minor cosmetic surgeries.

Anyway dealing with her fucking diet is the most obnoxious and absurd burden for everyone else in her life. At family get togethers, holidays etc.    Every now and again me and my wife will go out to dinner with them. It takes a half hour for her to place her order when we finally make it to a restaurant thats suitable for her needs. Its not uncommon to have to visit 3 or 4 restaurants until she decides one will 'ethically and faithfully ' prepare her vegan horseshit. Whats more? Its not even for health reasons, she just prefers to burden everyone with this fucking crap.

Now I love my sister in law but often she strikes me as kinda dumb. And this vegan shit is a pain in my ass. So we went out one night partying and just got shitfaced. Finally at 2 am we all decide to get Taco Bell. We're wasted drunk and she's babbling on and on about her order to me, what she wants, all the substitutions for her order, questions for the employees (Can you believe that? ! WTF, Lije this minimum wage teenager gives a fuck!) Anyway I go get the food and ignore everything she said I just ordered a bunch of shit (includi g chicken tacos for her) and brought it back the room and we all devoured that shit. She went on and on about how good the 'brown sauce' tasted. LOL! IT WAS GROUND BEEF! Fuck i never laughed so hard. I didn't have the heart to tell her.
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: joswift on September 24, 2022, 02:58:09 PM
My sister in law is vegan or vegetarian whatever.  IDK the difference and I dont fucking care.

She's a natty fitness competitor/ bodybuilder. (If you consider amphetamines nattural) If she weren't black she'd be considered skinny fat. But as it is she naturally holds more muscle than your average chick. Honestly though she became vegan as she got into bodybuilding and although she lost weight she doesn't look anymore muscular now than she's ever looked. Plus her husband is an idiot that makes a fortune and has bought her a new butt, lipo and some other minor cosmetic surgeries.

Anyway dealing with her fucking diet is the most obnoxious and absurd burden for everyone else in her life. At family get togethers, holidays etc.    Every now and again me and my wife will go out to dinner with them. It takes a half hour for her to place her order when we finally make it to a restaurant thats suitable for her needs. Its not uncommon to have to visit 3 or 4 restaurants until she decides one will 'ethically and faithfully ' prepare her vegan horseshit. Whats more? Its not even for health reasons, she just prefers to burden everyone with this fucking crap.

Now I love my sister in law but often she strikes me as kinda dumb. And this vegan shit is a pain in my ass. So we went out one night partying and just got shitfaced. Finally at 2 am we all decide to get Taco Bell. We're wasted drunk and she's babbling on and on about her order to me, what she wants, all the substitutions for her order, questions for the employees (Can you believe that? ! WTF, Lije this minimum wage teenager gives a fuck!) Anyway I go get the food and ignore everything she said I just ordered a bunch of shit (includi g chicken tacos for her) and brought it back the room and we all devoured that shit. She went on and on about how good the 'brown sauce' tasted. LOL! IT WAS GROUND BEEF! Fuck i never laughed so hard. I didn't have the heart to tell her.

Begs the question "Why go at all?"
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: beakdoctor on September 24, 2022, 03:01:02 PM
Begs the question "Why go at all?"

It's family man.
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: joswift on September 24, 2022, 03:01:47 PM
It's family man.

I make no exceptions for fuckwits, even blood fuckwits
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: beakdoctor on September 24, 2022, 03:12:18 PM
I make no exceptions for fuckwits, even blood fuckwits

Fair enough. That will isolate you from about 99.999 % of the rest of the planet.
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: joswift on September 24, 2022, 03:14:55 PM
Fair enough. That will isolate you from about 99.999 % of the rest of the planet.

almost at my target goal...
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: beakdoctor on September 24, 2022, 03:22:07 PM
almost at my target goal...

If I had the gif of Bruce Lee nodding in approval, id post it in response.
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: ThisisOverload on September 24, 2022, 03:27:35 PM
Anyway dealing with her fucking diet is the most obnoxious and absurd burden for everyone else in her life. At family get togethers, holidays etc.    Every now and again me and my wife will go out to dinner with them. It takes a half hour for her to place her order when we finally make it to a restaurant thats suitable for her needs. Its not uncommon to have to visit 3 or 4 restaurants until she decides one will 'ethically and faithfully ' prepare her vegan horseshit. Whats more? Its not even for health reasons, she just prefers to burden everyone with this fucking crap.

Sounds like my best friend's wife.

She's "vegan" and claims to have like a million food allergies.

I try not to go out to eat with them anymore because it turns into a 30 minute fiasco with the manger about how the food is cooked and what's in it. She is a total cunit about it to, like it's everyone else's problem. Then every single time the food is server she gets all pissy, claiming things aren't what she ordered.

Last time they were at my place, i sauteed some green beans in bacon grease and served them. She was like "OMG the flavor is amazing"! ;D
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: beakdoctor on September 24, 2022, 03:55:04 PM
Sounds like my best friend's wife.

She's "vegan" and claims to have like a million food allergies.

I try not to go out to eat with them anymore because it turns into a 30 minute fiasco with the manger about how the food is cooked and what's in it. She is a total cunit about it to, like it's everyone else's problem. Then every single time the food is server she gets all pissy, claiming things aren't what she ordered.

Last time they were at my place, i sauteed some green beans in bacon grease and served them. She was like "OMG the flavor is amazing"! ;D

Hahahaha!!  Classic!  Thats exactly the ki nd of shit Im talking about... it so weird and so self important.  She's a total girl about it" QFT!
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: loco on September 24, 2022, 04:18:29 PM
I had lunch at a Vietnamese restaurant with a friend from India who is a lifetime vegetarian.  He picked the restaurant.

He said he had never been there before, but that a friend had brought "vegan" spring rolls from this restaurant to poker night for everyone.  He said the spring rolls were delicious and he couldn't wait to eat them again.

So he orders the "vegan" spring rolls, saying to the server he ate them before and they were amazing, the best he'd ever had.

The server said they don't have "vegan" spring rolls, never had them.  They have only beef, pork, and chicken spring rolls.
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: kreator on September 24, 2022, 11:26:51 PM
Good times made people soft and sensitive. You can see from the vegan videos that all the vegan men are weak pu55ies and the women are narcissisit psychos. Women back in the day had no problem picking up a chicken, putting it's head on a stomp and chopping it clean off without even blinking. Saw my grandma do that many times when we were kids. 50% of men today would probably faint watching that.

 
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: kreator on September 24, 2022, 11:28:00 PM
I had lunch at a Vietnamese restaurant with a friend from India who is a lifetime vegetarian.  He picked the restaurant.

He said he had never been there before, but that a friend had brought "vegan" spring rolls from this restaurant to poker night for everyone.  He said the spring rolls were delicious and he couldn't wait to eat them again.

So he orders the "vegan" spring rolls, saying to the server he ate them before and they were amazing, the best he'd ever had.

The server said they don't have "vegan" spring rolls, never had them.  They have only beef, pork, and chicken spring rolls.

lovely, I'd love to see the expression on his face when he was served the truth  :D
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: Phantom Spunker on September 25, 2022, 12:27:44 AM
Good times made people soft and sensitive. You can see from the vegan videos that all the vegan men are weak pu55ies and the women are narcissisit psychos. Women back in the day had no problem picking up a chicken, putting it's head on a stomp and chopping it clean off without even blinking. Saw my grandma do that many times when we were kids. 50% of men today would probably faint watching that.

I've done it plenty of times. Killed rabbits with just my hands quite a few times, helped kill a pig with a knife, mercy-killed a deer not too long ago with a car jack to the back of the head. Whenever something needed to be killed I'd volunteer myself because I knew I wouldn't fuck it up. Still, I'm a vegetarian now because there's a gulf between hunting for food yourself, and the type of scavenging that we do as a society.

This weird, online vegan 'community' thing is a strange and fragmented spectacle; however, it's not as pathetic to me as most men in general. At least the vegans have the courage of their convictions and put principles into practice. Most people today are just painfully stupid and hypocritical, and there's not much worse than a lazy hypocrite.

How many guys say they despise animal cruelty and torture? Even on here - everyone's like 'Wooo! Yeah, Josh is going after animal abusers!' Or talking about how they'd kill anyone that messed with their dogs. Great - me too. But for those who aren't just sycophants and actually mean what they say, they have to accept the hypocrisy of hating animal abusers while delegating the responsibility of rearing and killing their food to a bunch of malformed losers in a factory, who torture the living fuck out of most the things before they end up in a supermarket to be scavenged. This is not hunting, and it's not even necessary.

No amount of mental gymnastics can change the fact that if you're buying meat from fast-food restaurants and supermarkets, then you are directly complicit in the torture of animals and you are directly responsible for its continuation. The only way to not be is to remove yourself from the process of reducing animals to mere commodities and supporting alternative markets. But that's hard work, and it's embarrassing. Especially for 'bodybuilder' types who are trying hard to cultivate this 'strong' image of themselves.

I'm not having a go at you guys in the comments - I enjoy the stories (to an extent), too, but thought I'd put across my viewpoint in regard to the issue. As much as I enjoy the taste of meat and have no issue with killing things myself, I'm not in a position to do so, I don't need to, and I feel like I'm much less of a hypocrite and loser by removing myself from anything to do with factory farming.
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: Humble Narcissist on September 25, 2022, 12:29:21 AM
Good times made people soft and sensitive. You can see from the vegan videos that all the vegan men are weak pu55ies and the women are narcissisit psychos. Women back in the day had no problem picking up a chicken, putting it's head on a stomp and chopping it clean off without even blinking. Saw my grandma do that many times when we were kids. 50% of men today would probably faint watching that.
True. I live around a lot of Amish and their women have no problem slaughtering animals for food. It makes them about as emotional as most women doing their nails.
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: _bruce_ on September 25, 2022, 02:06:42 AM
Meat is essential and the most valuable food. If you do not have access to meat you can drink blood like the mongols did. This way you do not have to kill your cattle. The mongols mixed the blood with, most likely, sour milk.

"Greens" are essential as a helper to keep the system healthy but the majority is not edible unless it's cooked. Tomatoes, cucumbers, pineapple, avocado and some other fruit / "greens" is all you most likely need to stay healthy.

Anything you have to cook to be edible is not for us - a prime example being lentils.
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: loco on September 25, 2022, 03:56:55 AM
Meat is essential and the most valuable food. If you do not have access to meat you can drink blood like the mongols did. This way you do not have to kill your cattle. The mongols mixed the blood with, most likely, sour milk.

"Greens" are essential as a helper to keep the system healthy but the majority is not edible unless it's cooked. Tomatoes, cucumbers, pineapple, avocado and some other fruit / "greens" is all you most likely need to stay healthy.

Anything you have to cook to be edible is not for us - a prime example being lentils.

What do you mean by "essential"?  There are essential amino acids, essential fatty acids, vitamins and minerals, all of which can be found in animal products.


There exists no such thing as essential carbs, essential veggies, essential fruit, or essential "Greens."
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: ThisisOverload on September 25, 2022, 02:46:56 PM
I've done it plenty of times. Killed rabbits with just my hands quite a few times, helped kill a pig with a knife, mercy-killed a deer not too long ago with a car jack to the back of the head. Whenever something needed to be killed I'd volunteer myself because I knew I wouldn't fuck it up. Still, I'm a vegetarian now because there's a gulf between hunting for food yourself, and the type of scavenging that we do as a society.

This weird, online vegan 'community' thing is a strange and fragmented spectacle; however, it's not as pathetic to me as most men in general. At least the vegans have the courage of their convictions and put principles into practice. Most people today are just painfully stupid and hypocritical, and there's not much worse than a lazy hypocrite.

How many guys say they despise animal cruelty and torture? Even on here - everyone's like 'Wooo! Yeah, Josh is going after animal abusers!' Or talking about how they'd kill anyone that messed with their dogs. Great - me too. But for those who aren't just sycophants and actually mean what they say, they have to accept the hypocrisy of hating animal abusers while delegating the responsibility of rearing and killing their food to a bunch of malformed losers in a factory, who torture the living fuck out of most the things before they end up in a supermarket to be scavenged. This is not hunting, and it's not even necessary.

No amount of mental gymnastics can change the fact that if you're buying meat from fast-food restaurants and supermarkets, then you are directly complicit in the torture of animals and you are directly responsible for its continuation. The only way to not be is to remove yourself from the process of reducing animals to mere commodities and supporting alternative markets. But that's hard work, and it's embarrassing. Especially for 'bodybuilder' types who are trying hard to cultivate this 'strong' image of themselves.

I'm not having a go at you guys in the comments - I enjoy the stories (to an extent), too, but thought I'd put across my viewpoint in regard to the issue. As much as I enjoy the taste of meat and have no issue with killing things myself, I'm not in a position to do so, I don't need to, and I feel like I'm much less of a hypocrite and loser by removing myself from anything to do with factory farming.

Some of my Gf's friends and family think i'm crazy because i hunt deer. Been doing it since i was a little kid. Grew up on a farm and watched my parents and grandparents kill animals all the time.

I've been inside slaughterhouses and seen how the animals are processed. I think everyone should visit these places and then tell me how they feel about me hunting wild animals.

People are hypocrites. They think i'm barbaric for hunting wild game for food, most of which i donate to the local food pantry. But they have no problem buying meat at a store or restaurant.

My opinion is that we have always been hunters and carnivores. I don't have a problem killing an animal for food. I'm not a trophy hunter, but i've shot some impressive deer in my younger days. I won't shoot anything i'm not going to eat.

And shooting an animal in the wild with a perfect heart shot is pretty humane. They don't even know they got shot, just drop like a sack of taters. I think that's better than what i've seen in slaughterhouses. My mom stopped eating meat for 3 years after visiting a slaughterhouse.

I don't care what people eat; they need to just shut up about it. There are very few people's opinions i value enough to even consider listening to these people. I was skinning and quartering deer at 8 years old.

I've had people lose their shit towards me after hearing that i hunt. Not even listened to what i had to say, just heard i hunt and they come at me like a bunch of Karens.

This world has gone soft.
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: Phantom Spunker on September 25, 2022, 03:02:54 PM
Some of my Gf's friends and family think i'm crazy because i hunt deer. Been doing it since i was a little kid. Grew up on a farm and watched my parents and grandparents kill animals all the time.

I've been inside slaughterhouses and seen how the animals are processed. I think everyone should visit these places and then tell me how they feel about me hunting wild animals.

People are hypocrites. They think i'm barbaric for hunting wild game for food, most of which i donate to the local food pantry. But they have no problem buying meat at a store or restaurant.

My opinion is that we have always been hunters and carnivores. I don't have a problem killing an animal for food. I'm not a trophy hunter, but i've shot some impressive deer in my younger days. I won't shoot anything i'm not going to eat.

And shooting an animal in the wild with a perfect heart shot is pretty humane. They don't even know they got shot, just drop like a sack of taters. I think that's better than what i've seen in slaughterhouses. My mom stopped eating meat for 3 years after visiting a slaughterhouse.

I don't care what people eat; they need to just shut up about it. There are very few people's opinions i value enough to even consider listening to these people. I was skinning and quartering deer at 8 years old.

I've had people lose their shit towards me after hearing that i hunt. Not even listened to what i had to say, just heard i hunt and they come at me like a bunch of Karens.

This world has gone soft.

100% agree, man. My dream is to get out of the city, get a couple dogs again, and hunt for me and them one day. I'll probably emigrate to Canada and do it. I have absolutely no respect for those who criticize hunters who catch their own food while they're shoveling tortured cows and pigs down their fat throats. End of the day, I guess we all just have to be happy with our own choices and be willing to justify them. I felt I couldn't do that when I ate meat, so I stopped.
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: ThisisOverload on September 25, 2022, 03:15:57 PM
100% agree, man. My dream is to get out of the city, get a couple dogs again, and hunt for me and them one day. I'll probably emigrate to Canada and do it. I have absolutely no respect for those who criticize hunters who catch their own food while they're shoveling tortured cows and pigs down their fat throats. End of the day, I guess we all just have to be happy with our own choices and be willing to justify them. I felt I couldn't do that when I ate meat, so I stopped.

Yeah, i'm slowly moving further out of the city. Hoping the work from home thing really takes off and i'll be even further out. I have 75 acres in northeast Texas that i'd love to live on, but it's like 2 hours from any City, which has its own challenges. I couldn't live there unless it was 100% WFH.
 
I just enjoy the peace and quiet, people leave you alone.

Country folks are a different breed and most of the time keep to themselves.

People in the City think they are more important than you and that their burden is the greatest, so they have no problem forcing their opinion on you and attacking your character.
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: loco on September 26, 2022, 03:59:12 AM
Animal products are not a great source of Vitamin C

That's good, because animal products are also very low in carbs.

Blood glucose competes with vitamin C for absorption.  So people who eat only animal products, very low carb, have much lower blood glucose levels and therefore have much lower vitamin C requirements.

There is some vitamin C in all animal products, with higher vitamin C in eggs, fish, and liver.

Yet there is no vitamin C deficiency among carnivore humans, such as the Inuit people, who eat mostly animal muscle meat and fat.
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: SweetDaddySiki on September 26, 2022, 05:46:04 AM
My sister in law is vegan or vegetarian whatever.  IDK the difference and I dont fucking care.

She's a natty fitness competitor/ bodybuilder. (If you consider amphetamines nattural) If she weren't black she'd be considered skinny fat. But as it is she naturally holds more muscle than your average chick. Honestly though she became vegan as she got into bodybuilding and although she lost weight she doesn't look anymore muscular now than she's ever looked. Plus her husband is an idiot that makes a fortune and has bought her a new butt, lipo and some other minor cosmetic surgeries.

Anyway dealing with her fucking diet is the most obnoxious and absurd burden for everyone else in her life. At family get togethers, holidays etc.    Every now and again me and my wife will go out to dinner with them. It takes a half hour for her to place her order when we finally make it to a restaurant thats suitable for her needs. Its not uncommon to have to visit 3 or 4 restaurants until she decides one will 'ethically and faithfully ' prepare her vegan horseshit. Whats more? Its not even for health reasons, she just prefers to burden everyone with this fucking crap.

Now I love my sister in law but often she strikes me as kinda dumb. And this vegan shit is a pain in my ass. So we went out one night partying and just got shitfaced. Finally at 2 am we all decide to get Taco Bell. We're wasted drunk and she's babbling on and on about her order to me, what she wants, all the substitutions for her order, questions for the employees (Can you believe that? ! WTF, Lije this minimum wage teenager gives a fuck!) Anyway I go get the food and ignore everything she said I just ordered a bunch of shit (includi g chicken tacos for her) and brought it back the room and we all devoured that shit. She went on and on about how good the 'brown sauce' tasted. LOL! IT WAS GROUND BEEF! Fuck i never laughed so hard. I didn't have the heart to tell her.

Shouldn't this be in the "Dindu-Mania, Running Wild Brother!" thread instead of this one?
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: residue on September 26, 2022, 06:44:47 AM

I wonder How Vegan / Vegetarians Managed in Stone age Times
Or Pretty much right up till the last Few years in Human Time span.  ;D

do you think meat with readily available in stone age times?
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: loco on September 26, 2022, 01:35:55 PM
do you think meat with readily available in stone age times?

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Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: B_B_C on September 26, 2022, 02:35:31 PM
That's good, because animal products are also very low in carbs.

Blood glucose competes with vitamin C for absorption.  So people who eat only animal products, very low carb, have much lower blood glucose levels and therefore have much lower vitamin C requirements.

There is some vitamin C in all animal products, with higher vitamin C in eggs, fish, and liver.

Yet there is no vitamin C deficiency among carnivore humans, such as the Inuit people, who eat mostly animal muscle meat and fat.

I don't dispute what you say but the Inuit / meat / vit C was probably first noticeed by Amundson as Vit C was a major concern for Antarctic explorers. At one point the word  "Eskimo" seemed to have been used to mean raw meat eaters.     
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: illuminati on September 26, 2022, 02:39:47 PM
do you think meat with readily available in stone age times?

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Why Do You Think they were Vegans & Vegatarians ?
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: Humble Narcissist on September 27, 2022, 01:07:21 AM
do you think meat with readily available in stone age times?
Yes, it was.
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: residue on September 27, 2022, 04:48:23 AM
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Kill one of those with a bifacial tool, matter of fact kill one and keep scavengers away. Or kill one and have it last for more than a day
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: falco on September 27, 2022, 05:24:43 AM
Kill one of those with a bifacial tool, matter of fact kill one and keep scavengers away. Or kill one and have it last for more than a day

Meat can be preserved underwater for weeks without getting rotten.
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: loco on September 27, 2022, 07:38:18 AM
Kill one of those with a bifacial tool, matter of fact kill one and keep scavengers away. Or kill one and have it last for more than a day

Ice in the winter, salt and spices in the summer, hunting in groups...cave men figured it out.  Otherwise we wouldn't be here today.  Animal fat has a long shelf life BTW.
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: loco on September 30, 2022, 05:11:05 AM
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"I was lying on my right side in bed when pins and needles radiated through my left arm. I wasn't putting pressure on my left arm, so why was it asleep? I shook it out and contorted my body, trying to stretch my limb to rid myself of the feeling but felt no relief.

Then my left hand went numb. After 30 minutes of panic, I convinced myself it was all in my head and eventually fell asleep. By the time I woke up in the morning, the same tingling sensation had spread to both arms, hands, legs, and feet. I was really freaking out.

With no change in my symptoms, I saw my internist, who promptly conducted an extensive blood-work panel. As I waited five days for results, I became so weak that it was debilitating; I couldn't even take a lap around my block.

Finally, the panel came back: I had a severe vitamin B12 deficiency.

B12 deficiency typically has two causes: malabsorption or inadequate intake. Some conditions, like atrophic gastritis or celiac disease, can block the absorption of B12, while vegan and vegetarian diets can lead to insufficient intake, as animal products are a main source of B12.

It's important to note there are some folks who may be more at risk of a vitamin B12 deficiency than others, including those on plant-based diets"


https://www.yahoo.com/news/limbs-went-one-morning-went-220000229.html
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: loco on October 13, 2022, 04:03:48 PM
Effects of soy and bovine milk beverages on enamel mineral content in a randomized, double-blind in situ clinical study

Conclusions: In this randomized, double-blind in situ clinical trial consumption of a soy beverage demineralized enamel whereas bovine milk produced remineralization.

Clinical significance: Although soy beverages are promoted as healthy alternatives to bovine milk the added sugar and low calcium bioavailability of the soy drink makes frequent consumption a caries risk.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31238081/
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: Abelard Lindsey on October 13, 2022, 08:14:55 PM
The thing about the vegetarian/vegan types is that they are the only people who make a public spectacle over their diet. No one else does this. The keto diet people don't do this. Neither does anyone else. For example, I eat lots Japanese food. Yet I don't make a public spectacle over my preferences. This is why I consider vegetarian/vegan stuff to be more like a religious cult rather than just a dietary preference preference.
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 14, 2022, 02:23:05 AM
The thing about the vegetarian/vegan types is that they are the only people who make a public spectacle over their diet. No one else does this. The keto diet people don't do this. Neither does anyone else. For example, I eat lots Japanese food. Yet I don't make a public spectacle over my preferences. This is why I consider vegetarian/vegan stuff to be more like a religious cult rather than just a dietary preference preference.
It's all virtue signalling.
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: loco on October 14, 2022, 04:06:26 AM
The thing about the vegetarian/vegan types is that they are the only people who make a public spectacle over their diet. No one else does this. The keto diet people don't do this. Neither does anyone else. For example, I eat lots Japanese food. Yet I don't make a public spectacle over my preferences. This is why I consider vegetarian/vegan stuff to be more like a religious cult rather than just a dietary preference preference.

Because it is and always has been a religion:

Graham crackers were originally invented in the early 1800s by a Presbyterian minister by the name of Sylvester Graham, who introduced this snack item as part of his then-radical vegetarian diet which eschewed white flour and spices.

Why? Graham hoped to end what he believed to be the scourge of his time: masturbation.

By some combination of pseudoscience and faith, he concluded that a vegetarian diet consisting of fruits, vegetables, limited dairy, and bland starches would result in an end to lustful behavior. For the last two decades of his life, Graham (who died at age 57) preached that his diet, later called the Graham Diet, would help those who followed it (called Grahamites) abstain from sexual activity, and, in particular, from self-love, which Graham argued led to insanity and blindness.

https://nowiknow.com/the-curious-history-of-graham-crackers-and-corn-flakes/



John Harvey Kellogg did not like sex. A Seventh-day Adventist since he was twelve years old, his distaste for procreation went far beyond even his religion's conservative stance. By all accounts, Kellogg abstained from the act his entire life, even through 41 years of marriage! He and his wife Ella slept in different rooms, and adopted all eight of their children.

As Kellogg wrote in his book Plain Facts for Old and Young, to avoid the temptation of masturbation one must weary of "sexual precocity, idleness, pernicious literature, abnormal sexual passions, exciting and irritating food, gluttony, sedentary employment, libidinous pictures, and many abnormal conditions of life..."

Kellogg particularly urged purity in diet.

"A man that lives on pork, fine-flour bread, rich pies and cakes, and condiments, drinks tea and coffee and uses tobacco, might as well try to fly as to be chaste in thought," he wrote.

Kellogg advocated against eating "spices, pepper, ginger, mustard, cinnamon, cloves, essences, all condiments, salt, pickles... fish, fowl, oysters, eggs, and milk."

https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2015/07/corn_flakes_were_created_to_prevent_masturbation.html



Plant-based eating is deeply rooted in three of the prominent religions practiced in India – Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism. All these religions believe in the concept of Ahimsa, which means kindness and non-violence towards all living things.
https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/news/world-cultures-and-religions-plant-based-vegetarian-vegan-diet/
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 15, 2022, 01:00:30 AM
Who doesn't want to eat like people in India? :-\  Maybe Vegans should drink muddy water as well.
Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: illuminati on October 15, 2022, 05:14:03 AM
Because it is and always has been a religion:

Graham crackers were originally invented in the early 1800s by a Presbyterian minister by the name of Sylvester Graham, who introduced this snack item as part of his then-radical vegetarian diet which eschewed white flour and spices.

Why? Graham hoped to end what he believed to be the scourge of his time: masturbation.

By some combination of pseudoscience and faith, he concluded that a vegetarian diet consisting of fruits, vegetables, limited dairy, and bland starches would result in an end to lustful behavior. For the last two decades of his life, Graham (who died at age 57) preached that his diet, later called the Graham Diet, would help those who followed it (called Grahamites) abstain from sexual activity, and, in particular, from self-love, which Graham argued led to insanity and blindness.

https://nowiknow.com/the-curious-history-of-graham-crackers-and-corn-flakes/



John Harvey Kellogg did not like sex. A Seventh-day Adventist since he was twelve years old, his distaste for procreation went far beyond even his religion's conservative stance. By all accounts, Kellogg abstained from the act his entire life, even through 41 years of marriage! He and his wife Ella slept in different rooms, and adopted all eight of their children.

As Kellogg wrote in his book Plain Facts for Old and Young, to avoid the temptation of masturbation one must weary of "sexual precocity, idleness, pernicious literature, abnormal sexual passions, exciting and irritating food, gluttony, sedentary employment, libidinous pictures, and many abnormal conditions of life..."

Kellogg particularly urged purity in diet.

"A man that lives on pork, fine-flour bread, rich pies and cakes, and condiments, drinks tea and coffee and uses tobacco, might as well try to fly as to be chaste in thought," he wrote.

Kellogg advocated against eating "spices, pepper, ginger, mustard, cinnamon, cloves, essences, all condiments, salt, pickles... fish, fowl, oysters, eggs, and milk."

https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2015/07/corn_flakes_were_created_to_prevent_masturbation.html



Plant-based eating is deeply rooted in three of the prominent religions practiced in India – Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism. All these religions believe in the concept of Ahimsa, which means kindness and non-violence towards all living things.
https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/news/world-cultures-and-religions-plant-based-vegetarian-vegan-diet/

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Title: Re: Study Showing Vegans Break More Bones.
Post by: wes on October 15, 2022, 05:18:53 AM
Fcuk Know's
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Why Do You Think they were Vegans & Vegatarians ?
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