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[I wanted to be politically correct and say “developmentally disabled”. But in Coleman’s case, that would certainly lead to confusion!]
Let me stress right off the bat that this question is not trolling or meant to be disrespectful in any way. I am not making any criticism of Mr. Coleman as a man or as a bodybuilder.
I am only asking because in the two interviews I’ve heard with him, he has seemed to struggle in expressing himself even in short sentences – even with the crutch of interview cliches like “package” and “do what I gotta do”. Also, on Pro Bodybuilding Weekly, Dan Solomon made a vague reference to Coleman’s lack of “marketability” – which seemed like it might be code language for what I’m referring to.
I’ll be the first to volunteer two possible counter-arguments. 1) Athletes as a whole [and perhaps bodybuilders in particular] are not that eloquent – being creatures of body rather than mind. No one ever mistook Michael Jordan for Winston Churchill, either. 2) I believe Coleman was within days of a contest on both occasions – so perhaps it’s to his credit that he was able to say anything at all. [Not having ever dieted for a contest myself, I freely confess my ignorance in this respect.]
Even with that taken into account, the interviews were painfully difficult to listen to. So the strong impression remains. But if I totally have my head up my ass about this, I’m willing to listen.
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Your not trying to be disrespectful?????
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maybe he doesn't feel comfortable being interviewed live. Neither are John Romano or Chris Cormier.
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No, this is not going over well at all.
Not that it will probably help at this point, but I don't feel it is disrespectful to inquire if someone has a mental handicap that is affecting their presentation - any more than it would be to inquire if they had a muscle tear that was affecting their physical presentation.
If I am to be stood corrected, have at it, gentlemen.
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I don't think Ronnie is a rocket scientist or anything, but I respect him for his accomplishments - specifically, winning the Mr O at his age for 8 times in a row (nevermind the controversies). Everywhere you see are people with wasted potential and in this context, I take my hat off to Ronnie for becoming the number 1 figure in his field (no mean feat) and staying there. While he might not be eloquent, he certainly had made more money than most other bodybuilders, using his talent and seems level-headed enough not to have lost it in the process (not to mention building the freakiest physique of all times).
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BSN seems to find Ronnie pretty marketable. Even though he's painful to listen to, I've always gotten his point when listening to him.
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Ronnie Coleman has a unique way of expressing himself - but in the conversations that I have had with him, he knew exactly what he was talking about, and understands everything. When I saw him at a couple of seminars with 500+ people there, they guy was funny, and definately kept the audiences attention. He is just careful on what he says, because people love to pick up on it all.
Dont forget that Ronnie was an Arlington Police officer for many years, and actually has studied accounting and other aspects of business.
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[I wanted to be politically correct and say “developmentally disabled”. But in Coleman’s case, that would certainly lead to confusion!]
Let me stress right off the bat that this question is not trolling or meant to be disrespectful in any way. I am not making any criticism of Mr. Coleman as a man or as a bodybuilder.
I am only asking because in the two interviews I’ve heard with him, he has seemed to struggle in expressing himself even in short sentences – even with the crutch of interview cliches like “package” and “do what I gotta do”. Also, on Pro Bodybuilding Weekly, Dan Solomon made a vague reference to Coleman’s lack of “marketability” – which seemed like it might be code language for what I’m referring to.
I’ll be the first to volunteer two possible counter-arguments. 1) Athletes as a whole [and perhaps bodybuilders in particular] are not that eloquent – being creatures of body rather than mind. No one ever mistook Michael Jordan for Winston Churchill, either. 2) I believe Coleman was within days of a contest on both occasions – so perhaps it’s to his credit that he was able to say anything at all. [Not having ever dieted for a contest myself, I freely confess my ignorance in this respect.]
Even with that taken into account, the interviews were painfully difficult to listen to. So the strong impression remains. But if I totally have my head up my ass about this, I’m willing to listen.
Big Ron's not retarded or slow. He's has a degree in accounting and worked as a Policeman for like 16 years. I think you're mistaking his southern accent, phrases and mannerisms for what you feel is improper grammar, ergo not being as smart. This is more of a cultural thing, if you've ever spent some time down south you'd find that his way of expressing himself is quite common. He isn't an extremely talented speaker but he gets by and when it comes down to it he takes care of business. Enough said.
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A few people in this thread are going to pooping their pants when they open their doors one day to Lou or Big Ron standing outside waiting for them. Especially when Lou charges you for a guest apperance.
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No, this is not going over well at all.
Not that it will probably help at this point, but I don't feel it is disrespectful to inquire if someone has a mental handicap that is affecting their presentation - any more than it would be to inquire if they had a muscle tear that was affecting their physical presentation.
If I am to be stood corrected, have at it, gentlemen.
Perhaps that would explain his freakish strength........
Anyways, here is an interview with the champ. He had no problem expressing himself here:
G: How long can keep winning the bbing championship?
Champ: Lung as I wanit. I alredy take care of da judges fo’ nex years sho. Is in da bag.
G: You recently signed a huge endorsement deal. Or so the rumor goes. Can you tell us anything about it?
Champ: Yip. some dolla bilz. I gots me some creatine. 10 jars ob it. An sum protin’. 2 gif certeefikets to burgar king. An a car wush.
G: Were you one of the bodybuilders subpoenaed at the Arnold Classic a while back?
Champ: no I don git no subpenis.
G: You are always thanking and praising Jesus after your victories, so you are obviously very religious. Yet you’ve been spotted at titty bars. How do you justify this?
Champ: I luv me some jeesus. Jeesus come 2 me an till me 2 go 2 da teetes bar. I wus doin’ jeeesus bisniz.
G: But you were spotted getting lap dances……..
Champ: da only time dem girlz sit down n liesson is win u giv dem tweny dollas. Win dey grindin me I preech dem about jeesus.
G: I hear you are a big Cowboys fan…..
Champ: I luvs me sum cowboyz. Brokebak mountain is my favurite moovee.
G: I also hear you are a big eater……..
Champ: das rite. I luvs me sum fixins n grits n colar grins. Ma favurite ristorant is black guy pees.
G: So what’s it like being out in public? Being 300 lbs of mass?
Champ: I tills ya is hard. Da peepoles dey sey meen tings about me. 1 tyme this guy till me I look lyke shrek on steroyce. Peepoles r so crool. I wus datin’ a femayles bodybilder 4 long tyme but one tyme we was out sum guy ax us r you brothars? Dat hurt ma fellins so I drop her n gut me sum fitnass booty.
G: I see. What about being 300 lbs?
Champ: I brake a few toylets in ma dey. 1 tyme dis kid look at me n says 2 his mama-why dis gorilla out of his cage moma?
G: Do you have to purchase 2 seats when flying on an airplane?
Champ: no I aint gonna waist no dollas on 2 seets. Usully I jus sit on my seet n on top of the otter person nex to me.
G: I was told you speak several languages. Spanish, among them. Mind saying a few words……
Champ: carny asado, nachos grandis, el pollo loco. Yo qiro taco bells.
G: Well, thanks for your time. This interview has been very enlightening.
Champ: Yip yip!
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Ronnie just has an extreme southern drawl. Compare him to most bodybuilders and he's obviously very intelligent. Think in terms of taking care of his health, financial planning, being respectful to his competition, adapting to his environment and so on. How many pros get complete health panels done every two months?
I think people really have no idea what true intelligence and true confidence really means. Example: Ronnie is very intelligent. The sound of his voice has nothing to do with judging that. Arnold in Pumping Iron was not confident as so many say he was. He was just an asshole exploiting the weaknesses of someone with a disability who was emotionally depdendent on his father. Arnold would never have been able to pull that shit with Franco because he was too intelligent.
If I was in Pumping Iron I could have made Lou my bitch too. It's not like that was a difficult task. Now let's see Arnold pull that with someone who is intelligent - it wouldn't have happened. Franco would have probably laughed at him for even trying it.
It may be somewhat off topic, and I'm sure you probably know this anyway. But for the benefit of those few who are still unaware...
Although Pumping Iron is technically a "documentary" with plenty of realistic elements to it, it's pretty much common knowledge nowadays that the movie was heavily scripted. The 25th anniversary edition that came out a few years ago showed quite a bit of behind the scenes footage on the making of the movie and also had fairly recent interviews with Arnold, Lou, and most of the rest of the cast.
Among many of the revelations was Arnold admitting that such things as his claiming to have not gone to his father's funeral due to his focus on an upcoming show was complete bs. It was something that was scripted in order to make his character more "interesting" or whatever.
The filmmakers also talked about how they scripted this Arnold vs Lou thing as sort of a "David vs Goliath" or a kind of an attempt as a "Good vs Bad" scenario - sort of the WWE type of drama. If I recall correctly, they originally wanted to portray the dark, brooding, larger Lou as the "villain", and Arnold as the good guy and underdog. If that was true, it certainly didn't work out that way. For obvious reasons, the exact opposite impression came across on-screen.
Lou even wrote (or more likely had ghostwritten) in his autobiography of some of the unrealistic embellishments of the movie - mainly that the apparent close, supporting relationship he and his father had in the movie was a sham. He claimed that his father was always an obnoxious, psychologically abusive egomaniac who insisted on being part of the movie to satisfy his own selfish desires. Of course I realize that there are two sides to every story, and I tend to take anything Lou says with a grain of salt anyway - for obvious reasons.
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It may be somewhat off topic, and I'm sure you probably know this anyway. But for the benefit of those few who are still unaware...
Although Pumping Iron is technically a "documentary" with plenty of realistic elements to it, it's pretty much common knowledge nowadays that the movie was heavily scripted. The 25th anniversary edition that came out a few years ago showed quite a bit of behind the scenes footage on the making of the movie and also had fairly recent interviews with Arnold, Lou, and most of the rest of the cast.
Among many of the revelations was Arnold admitting that such things as his claiming to have not gone to his father's funeral due to his focus on an upcoming show was complete bs. It was something that was scripted in order to make his character more "interesting" or whatever.
The filmmakers also talked about how they scripted this Arnold vs Lou thing as sort of a "David vs Goliath" or a kind of an attempt as a "Good vs Bad" scenario - sort of the WWE type of drama. If I recall correctly, they originally wanted to portray the dark, brooding, larger Lou as the "villain", and Arnold as the good guy and underdog. If that was true, it certainly didn't work out that way. For obvious reasons, the exact opposite impression came across on-screen.
Lou even wrote (or more likely had ghostwritten) in his autobiography of some of the unrealistic embellishments of the movie - mainly that the apparent close, supporting relationship he and his father had in the movie was a sham. He claimed that his father was always an obnoxious, psychologically abusive egomaniac who insisted on being part of the movie to satisfy his own selfish desires. Of course I realize that there are two sides to every story, and I tend to take anything Lou says with a grain of salt anyway - for obvious reasons.
One thing I never understood about the 'movie' is Arnold "Psyching out" Lou - WTF ??? I mean, with BB, all the work has already been done by the time of the contest. Regardless of whether Lou was mentally beaten by Arnold or whether he was very strong mentally wasn't going to affect what his body looked like when he hit a front-double-bi shot or posed.
For example, If (hypothetically) Jay mentally 'psyched Ronnie Coleman out' in the 2003 Mr. O, would Jay have won it? Anybody else see what I'm getting at here ?
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in theory, maybe cortisol levels would spike, lou wouldn't exude confidence onstage, and it might give him that extra edge.
in reality, most of it was done so there would be a storyline for the show, and the directors could establish a beloved villian (arnold), a bumbling halfwit newbie in lou, and a poor man's gepetto in lou's dad.
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in theory, maybe cortisol levels would spike, lou wouldn't exude confidence onstage, and it might give him that extra edge.
in reality, most of it was done so there would be a storyline for the show, and the directors could establish a beloved villian (arnold), a bumbling halfwit newbie in lou, and a poor man's gepetto in lou's dad.
For once, I agree with you. Just dont get it when a lot of Arnold fans keep raving about how Arnold 'mentally defeated lou' etc.
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It's my understanding that Ronnie has a college education. I believe that the national statistic is somewhere near 20% for those with a degree.
I think it's pretty well documented that Ronnie Coleman doesn't utilize an eloquent vocabulary when doing bodybuilding interviews, but is it neccessary?
Ronnie could've been exhausted from contest prep, but again, he doesn't really need to drop long literary words for butch from the bronx to understand him. Usually he answers questions about eat whites and grits, his routines, and the olympia.
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It's my understanding that Ronnie has a college education.
George W. Bush graduated from Yale.
'Nuff said.
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George W. Bush graduated from Yale.
'Nuff said.
George W. Bush is quite intelligent and could go down as the greatest president of the 21th century. You were saying? ::)
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George W. Bush... could go down as the greatest president of the 21th century.
And Ed Corney could come out of retirement to win the 2006 Olympia.
Possible. But not likely. ;)
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George W. Bush graduated from Yale.
'Nuff said.
Gee, do you really think Ronnie could be President someday? I guess if Arnie was able to become Governor...
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One thing I never understood about the 'movie' is Arnold "Psyching out" Lou - WTF ??? I mean, with BB, all the work has already been done by the time of the contest. Regardless of whether Lou was mentally beaten by Arnold or whether he was very strong mentally wasn't going to affect what his body looked like when he hit a front-double-bi shot or posed.
For example, If (hypothetically) Jay mentally 'psyched Ronnie Coleman out' in the 2003 Mr. O, would Jay have won it? Anybody else see what I'm getting at here ?
Actually it has everything to do with bodybuilding you must have never competed, cause if you did you would now that confidence is a key, and you can easily lose your pump or destroy your muscles by thinking negative it's just part of the mind body connection. If your backstage thinking negative and saying to yourself he's got me beat then your body gives up, you can imagine yourself big and strong while closing your eyes then open them and be pumped up and veiny or you can concetrate on a body part and make it get pumped up.
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Actually it has everything to do with bodybuilding you must have never competed, cause if you did you would now that confidence is a key, and you can easily lose your pump or destroy your muscles by thinking negative it's just part of the mind body connection. If your backstage thinking negative and saying to yourself he's got me beat then your body gives up, you can imagine yourself big and strong while closing your eyes then open them and be pumped up and veiny or you can concetrate on a body part and make it get pumped up.
I see. I confess I have never competed (although I am no slouch myself 8)) and therefore, wouldn't have known this without you pointing it out. I now stand corrected. Thanks mate :)
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[I wanted to be politically correct and say “developmentally disabled”. But in Coleman’s case, that would certainly lead to confusion!]
Let me stress right off the bat that this question is not trolling or meant to be disrespectful in any way. I am not making any criticism of Mr. Coleman as a man or as a bodybuilder.
I am only asking because in the two interviews I’ve heard with him, he has seemed to struggle in expressing himself even in short sentences – even with the crutch of interview cliches like “package” and “do what I gotta do”. Also, on Pro Bodybuilding Weekly, Dan Solomon made a vague reference to Coleman’s lack of “marketability” – which seemed like it might be code language for what I’m referring to.
I’ll be the first to volunteer two possible counter-arguments. 1) Athletes as a whole [and perhaps bodybuilders in particular] are not that eloquent – being creatures of body rather than mind. No one ever mistook Michael Jordan for Winston Churchill, either. 2) I believe Coleman was within days of a contest on both occasions – so perhaps it’s to his credit that he was able to say anything at all. [Not having ever dieted for a contest myself, I freely confess my ignorance in this respect.]
Even with that taken into account, the interviews were painfully difficult to listen to. So the strong impression remains. But if I totally have my head up my ass about this, I’m willing to listen.
Most of your Police officers are not very verbal, they are more listeners than speakers..
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I have a university degree (thats Canadian for "better than college" LOL) and I am deranged! ;)
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Ronnie doesn't have a "southern drawl". He sounds like every other black guy with a below average IQ.
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I have a university degree (thats Canadian for "better than college" LOL) and I am deranged! ;)
What is the difference between a university degree and a college degree? ::)
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I see. I confess I have never competed (although I am no slouch myself 8)) and therefore, wouldn't have known this without you pointing it out. I now stand corrected. Thanks mate :)
No problem bro, but you dont have to compete to know this I didnt explain it all the way. To test this you can lay down and concentrate on a certain bodypart and imagine yourself working it out, do it correctly and when you open your eyes you can see the pump and feel it. If you go back and watch pumping iron you can tell Lou is getting totally obsessed with not feeling adequate enough and not being ready, also with Katz. Today backstage this does not really go on, most bodybuilders psyche themselves out with low self esteem
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Who holds the most endorsements Jay? It used to be Titus
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The filmmakers also talked about how they scripted this Arnold vs Lou thing as sort of a "David vs Goliath" or a kind of an attempt as a "Good vs Bad" scenario - sort of the WWE type of drama. If I recall correctly, they originally wanted to portray the dark, brooding, larger Lou as the "villain", and Arnold as the good guy and underdog. If that was true, it certainly didn't work out that way. For obvious reasons, the exact opposite impression came across on-screen.
Lou even wrote (or more likely had ghostwritten) in his autobiography of some of the unrealistic embellishments of the movie - mainly that the apparent close, supporting relationship he and his father had in the movie was a sham. He claimed that his father was always an obnoxious, psychologically abusive egomaniac who insisted on being part of the movie to satisfy his own selfish desires. Of course I realize that there are two sides to every story, and I tend to take anything Lou says with a grain of salt anyway - for obvious reasons.
In the special features on the 25th Anniversary DVD, they say that the original storyline was supposed to be about this new wunderkind Lou coming and beating the reigning champ for the Sandow.. However, they state that as they got closer to the show they realised that Lou wouldn't get anywhere near Arnold so had to 're write' the script and make Arnold the mean guy to make it interesting..
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What is the difference between a university degree and a college degree? ::)
University is research oriented, college is teaching oriented.
At the undergraduate level though, I agree, there isn't an appreciable difference.
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Who holds the most endorsements Jay? It used to be Titus
Titus is endorsing the Mexican Mafia nowadays. :-X
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University is research oriented, college is teaching oriented.
At the undergraduate level though, I agree, there isn't an appreciable difference.
I see what you are saying. I thought universities are just multiple colleges in the same institution.
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[I wanted to be politically correct and say “developmentally disabled”. But in Coleman’s case, that would certainly lead to confusion!]
Let me stress right off the bat that this question is not trolling or meant to be disrespectful in any way. I am not making any criticism of Mr. Coleman as a man or as a bodybuilder.
I am only asking because in the two interviews I’ve heard with him, he has seemed to struggle in expressing himself even in short sentences – even with the crutch of interview cliches like “package” and “do what I gotta do”. Also, on Pro Bodybuilding Weekly, Dan Solomon made a vague reference to Coleman’s lack of “marketability” – which seemed like it might be code language for what I’m referring to.
I’ll be the first to volunteer two possible counter-arguments. 1) Athletes as a whole [and perhaps bodybuilders in particular] are not that eloquent – being creatures of body rather than mind. No one ever mistook Michael Jordan for Winston Churchill, either. 2) I believe Coleman was within days of a contest on both occasions – so perhaps it’s to his credit that he was able to say anything at all. [Not having ever dieted for a contest myself, I freely confess my ignorance in this respect.]
Even with that taken into account, the interviews were painfully difficult to listen to. So the strong impression remains. But if I totally have my head up my ass about this, I’m willing to listen.
Coleman has dyslexia of the mind. The words form in his head, but he's unable to verbalize them. This is why he can only say:"peanut" and "yeah, baby". This form of mental disability is common among those who are of below average intelligence, but not completely retarded(I.Q 70-90. Coleman's is probably around 75).
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Ronnie's intelligence level will probably qualify him for a nice disability pension when he's done bodybuilding. Lord knows he isnt fit for any work that requires even basic logic or reading comprehension.
Coleman makes Al Bundy seem like Newton or Descartes, in comparison... ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Ronnie's intelligence level will probably qualify him for a nice disability pension when he's done bodybuilding. Lord knows he isnt fit for any work that requires even basic logic or reading comprehension.
Troll ::)
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George W. Bush is quite intelligent
If you're had Colemans IQ, then that statement would true.
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If you're had Colemans IQ, then that statement would true.
I'm sorry, could you reword this so it's comprehensible?