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What do you think?
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Innocent
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Innocent
Really?
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https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2020-02-11/macaulay-culkin-michael-jackson
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I think he did it.
But if I were a lawyer I would argue not guilty by some kind of mental defect.
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He has certainly made a lot of bad decisions. Two cases brought huge notoriety:
• In 1993 Jordan Chandler (13) accused Jackson of sexually abusing him. His father Evan Chandler (a screenwriter and dentist) aggressively pursued the case. He was recorded bragging to friends that however the case ended, he would come out a winner: he would either get a big payday from Jackson or he would ruin Jackson’s career. I have heard the tape when he discussed this. Jordan Chandler refused to testify and the criminal case came to an end, but Jackson was sued in a civil proceeding by Evan Chandler. To make the case and all the media circus surrounding it go away, Jackson’s insurance company paid around $20 million to Evan Chandler; the case was closed. After Jackson’s death, Jordan Chandler recanted, saying his father put him up to the whole thing, “I never meant to lie and destroy Michael Jackson but my father made me to tell the lies…. Now for the first time I can't bare to lie anymore. Michael Jackson didn't do anything to me, all was my father's lies to escape from being poor.” Evan Chandler would later commit suicide.
• in 2005 a mother and son accused Jackson of molesting her son (a cancer victim). During the trail it was revealed that the mother had a history of shake downs for money. She previously enjoyed a $152,000 settlement from J.C. Penney when she accused the store security guards of roughing up the family when they were caught shoplifting. During the trial she was exposed for racking up welfare benefits after winning the settlement (fraud). During the trial the mother claimed that while her son was being molested, she and her son were held against their will on Jackson’s estate, yet during this same time:
-- she was going on shopping sprees paid for by Jackson
-- she was going to luxury spas for body wax on Jackson’s dime
-- her kids had an orthodontist appointments paid for by Jackson
The mom claimed it was all against her will and that if she didn’t go along with it, Jackson’s henchmen would cause her family to “disappear” by making them float away in hot air balloon! She literally testified to this. The jury didn’t buy it; Jackson was found not guilty. His attorney framed the family as a collection of con artists out for a big payday who had become embittered because Jackson had scaled back on the jetset lifestyle he had previously bankrolled for them.
Even at my level I see so called “friends”, hangers on, and losers angling for money, gifts, loans, and anything else they can get for free. They want to borrow one of my vehicles or stay in one of my properties for free…. One woman asked me to buy clothes for her kids, to buy her a laptop, a printer, an uber ride from across the state, a car, cash, loans, etc. I hear similar reports from physician friends of mine. I cannot imagine what it is like at the level of celebrity wealth.
I do not believe Jackson is innocent of everything everywhere, but I do not believe either of the accusers in the above two cases. They were simply out for money.
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Innocent
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He has certainly made a lot of bad decisions. Two cases brought huge notoriety:
• In 1993 Jordan Chandler (13) accused Jackson of sexually abusing him. His father Evan Chandler (a screenwriter and dentist) aggressively pursued the case. He was recorded bragging to friends that however the case ended, he would come out a winner: he would either get a big payday from Jackson or he would ruin Jackson’s career. I have heard the tape when he discussed this. Jordan Chandler refused to testify and the criminal case came to an end, but Jackson was sued in a civil proceeding by Evan Chandler. To make the case and all the media circus surrounding it go away, Jackson’s insurance company paid around $20 million to Evan Chandler; the case was closed. After Jackson’s death, Jordan Chandler recanted, saying his father put him up to the whole thing, “I never meant to lie and destroy Michael Jackson but my father made me to tell the lies…. Now for the first time I can't bare to lie anymore. Michael Jackson didn't do anything to me, all was my father's lies to escape from being poor.” Evan Chandler would later commit suicide.
• in 2005 a mother and son accused Jackson of molesting her son (a cancer victim). During the trail it was revealed that the mother had a history of shake downs for money. She previously enjoyed a $152,000 settlement from J.C. Penney when she accused the store security guards of roughing up the family when they were caught shoplifting. During the trial she was exposed for racking up welfare benefits after winning the settlement (fraud). During the trial the mother claimed that while her son was being molested, she and her son were held against their will on Jackson’s estate, yet during this same time:
-- she was going on shopping sprees paid for by Jackson
-- she was going to luxury spas for body wax on Jackson’s dime
-- her kids had an orthodontist appointments paid for by Jackson
The mom claimed it was all against her will and that if she didn’t go along with it, Jackson’s henchmen would cause her family to “disappear” by making them float away in hot air balloon! She literally testified to this. The jury didn’t buy it; Jackson was found not guilty. His attorney framed the family as a collection of con artists out for a big payday who had become embittered because Jackson had scaled back on the jetset lifestyle he had previously bankrolled for them.
Even at my level I see so called “friends”, hangers on, and losers angling for money, gifts, loans, and anything else they can get for free. They want to borrow one of my vehicles or stay in one of my properties for free…. One woman asked me to buy clothes for her kids, to buy her a laptop, a printer, an uber ride from across the state, a car, cash, loans, etc. I hear similar reports from physician friends of mine. I cannot imagine what it is like at the level of celebrity wealth.
I do not believe Jackson is innocent of everything everywhere, but I do not believe either of the accusers in the above two cases. They were simply out for money.
Bro...
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Was probably framed
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Innocent. It was not in his best interests to hang around with those kids that much, but I think this was the way he was coping with not having a childhood of his own. He was reliving it through their experiences.
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what's the bet that the milk and cookies were spiked.
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I vote guilty, but not for actually doing anything sexual with the kids, but rather guilty of making idiotic decisions to engage in activities that made him appear guilty of sexual misconduct.
A grown man who is not a chester-molester inviting children not his own to pajama parties and sleeping with them is purely stupid beyond belief.
MJ was out to lunch.
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What do you think?
Those on here who vote NO would've you let him babysit your kids ??
is a pigs arse pork
is the pope catholic
does doll parton sleep on her back
Yes guilty as sin.
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Was probably framed
By his own actions
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Those on here who vote NO would've you let him babysit your kids ??
is a pigs arse pork
is the pope catholic
does doll parton sleep on her back
Yes guilty as sin.
100%
The fucking fruitloop was a major pedo, liar, and creep. Just look at the shit we know he did do. Saville got away with it because he had money and friends in high places - no different to this freakshow.
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Innocent but still sussy AF
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What do you think?
Is this "Start Shitty Threads" month?
Fuck off with the pedo threads, jismeater.
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Is this "Start Shitty Threads" month?
Fuck off with the pedo threads, jismeater.
LOL :D
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Is this "Start Shitty Threads" month?
Fuck off with the pedo threads, jismeater.
Bro it sounds like you're telling him to just beat it
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Bro it sounds like you're telling him to just beat it
Dunkin Donuts has drained more dicks than standup urinals.
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The documentary 'Leaving Neverland' has several alleged victims giving their accounts, and also interviews of some of the people who worked for him and those who visited his ranch.
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Bro it sounds like you're telling him to just beat it
We are not siblings, cock polisher.
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He would sleep with a boy in locked rooms or areas on his ranch and when travelling he'd take a boy with to stay in his hotel room.
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He would sleep with a boy in locked rooms or areas on his ranch and when travelling he'd take a boy with to stay in his hotel room.
No need to bring Fallsview into this...
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100%
The fucking fruitloop was a major pedo, liar, and creep. Just look at the shit we know he did do. Saville got away with it because he had money and friends in high places - no different to this freakshow.
Exactly - Don't see any of the No voters saying they'd trust their children with him.
FFS locked rooms & sleeping with young Boy's
Think we may have a few pedo's on here. WTF !!
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GUILTY.
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MJ reminds me of Joe Biden.
-Born into a black family
-Touches kids
-Whacked out w/ brainless dementia
-Grew up among black folks
-Shits his knickerz (like "Lifter")
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MJ reminds me of Joe Biden.
-Born into a black family
-Touches kids
-Whacked out w/ brainless dementia
-Grew up among black folks
-Shits his knickerz (like "Lifter")
Both bleached their skin too
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By his own actions
LOL!
He was creepy as fuck.
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I’m always back and forth with it.
Maybe my thinking he was just an extremely foolish individual is simply my young self not wanting to believe he was diddlin’ it up. Not that I’m a big fan or anything, but still, the phenomenon of MICHAEL JACKSON is so intrinsically linked to my generation and the glorious eighties, that to “go there” actually brings heartache.
What a damn shame all ‘round.
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I’m always back and forth with it.
Maybe my thinking he was just an extremely foolish individual is simply my young self not wanting to believe he was diddlin’ it up. Not that I’m a big fan or anything, but still, the phenomenon of MICHAEL JACKSON is so intrinsically linked to my generation and the glorious eighties, that to “go there” actually brings heartache.
What a damn shame all ‘round.
He was a child molester .
My generation also. That doesn't alter what he was & did.
Hope he died a slow agonising death.
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Dunkin Donuts has drained more dicks than standup urinals.
it takes one to know one
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Lets say the MJ was indeed a child molestor...
Should the parents of the children also be held accountable? What sane individual lets his child stay in the house of MJ?
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He was a child molester .
My generation also. That doesn't alter what he was & did.
Hope he died a slow agonising death.
The 80s were such an amazing time to experience and there was certainly no shortage of talent and greatness that Michael Jackson's absence would have been insignificant. He was a creepy and disturbed person.
Lets say the MJ was indeed a child molestor...
Should the parents of the children also be held accountable? What sane individual lets his child stay in the house of MJ?
Agreed, they are responsible for their kids, no sane parents would let their kids sleep in some creepy weirdo's house.
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He was a child molester .
My generation also. That doesn't alter what he was & did.
Hope he died a slow agonising death.
You’re correct, of course.
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Yes.
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The 80s were such an amazing time to experience and there was certainly no shortage of talent and greatness that Michael Jackson's absence would have been insignificant. He was a creepy and disturbed person.
Agreed, they are responsible for their kids, no sane parents would let their kids sleep in some creepy weirdo's house.
Those parents selling their children to him are as despicable or worse than he .
Hope they die very slow agonising deaths also.
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He was guilty of making some real groovy music
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Didn't Oprah have a show/special about victims of Michael Jackson, which aired long after he died?
I believe she had something like 5-15 people on the show, all adults by the time of airing, who had claimed to be victims of Michael Jackson when they were children.
It wasn't just one person, if I recall correctly. I only recall the comments by one man - but from what I remember, there were several/many guests on the show that day who claimed to be abused by Michael Jackson. They would have been around 30-40 years old at the time.
Does anyone else remember this? I absolutely do NOT watch Oprah [or have cable], so I must have saw it online or possibly at a friend's house.
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I like some of his music, but I think the court docs said a kid knew what his private parts looked like.
That means guilty..
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Didn't Oprah have a show/special about victims of Michael Jackson, which aired long after he died?
I believe she had something like 5-15 people on the show, all adults by the time of airing, who had claimed to be victims of Michael Jackson when they were children.
It wasn't just one person, if I recall correctly. I only recall the comments by one man - but from what I remember, there were several/many guests on the show that day who claimed to be abused by Michael Jackson. They would have been around 30-40 years old age the time.
Does anyone else remember this? I absolutely do NOT watch Oprah [or have cable], so I must have saw it online or possibly at a friend's house.
pretty sure that was "leaving neverland", she appears at the end of it
i think he's guilty, he had the mind of a child but the sex drive of a man, no man would otherwise want to sleep in the same bed with kids
but those guys deserve nothing, they denied abuse when MJ was still alive and on trial
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GUILTY.
A grown man invites children for sleep overs and they sleep in the same bed.
Fuck me, on what planet could someone think that is normal?
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pretty sure that was "leaving neverland", she appears at the end of it
i think he's guilty, he had the mind of a child but the sex drive of a man, no man would otherwise want to sleep in the same bed with kids
but those guys deserve nothing, they denied abuse when MJ was still alive and on trial
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That was pretty close, Earl! I remember hearing about that documentary "Leaving Neverland" now - and Oprah then did a special called "After Neverland". They discuss it here:
https://globalnews.ca/news/5022411/after-neverland-interview/
Also, Macaulay Culkin explains the reason why kids "slept in Michael Jackson's bedroom" in the video below - he said that Michael Jackson's bedroom is basically a house in and of itself, so it really wasn't so strange hearing it described like that. Macaulay Culkin speaks very well, and perhaps the same could not be said of Michael Jackson.
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I voted "was innocent" for two reasons:
[1] My preferred poll option would have been "I don't know / Unsure", but that option wasn't available.
[2] Even though there is a lot of speculation and anecdotal evidence, this matter hit the legal world twice - once around 1993 which was settled out of court, and once again in 2004 when Michael Jackson was found Not Guilty.
Macauley Culkin [in the video above] was right about this point: if someone sexually abused your child, would you settle for some money? I'd want that person to go to jail.
And when the second matter actually did go to court, Jackson's guilt was not proven beyond a reasonable doubt. That's not an insignificant outcome.
One thing I heard in the news at the time is that if Jackson was truly guilty both times, he would have continued this pattern in the years between 1993 and 2004, because pedophiles don't just take decade-long breaks like that. So the implications there are very bad, if Jackson truly was guilty those two times.
It's important that we stand for fair trials for EVERYONE. Take that away, and we have dictatorship. But sometimes the court of public opinion is onto something, and Jackson having multiple accusers is suspicious to me.
So I can't be certain of Jackson's innocence...but I can't be certain of his guilt either. So I'm in the "Unsure/Undecided category if there was one - but I take insinuations of guilt very seriously, which is why I voted "was innocent".
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Oprah is a child trafficking scumbag pedo. I have a feeling Michael was framed and executed for trying to save kids from being raped and sacrificed in elite pedo rituals.
The world is a stage and people on the scene are all paid actors
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i voted innocent because i was unsure and give him the benefit of the doubt but i feel the parents are 100% guilty of negligence
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I voted "was innocent" for two reasons:
[1] My preferred poll option would have been "I don't know / Unsure", but that option wasn't available.
[2] Even though there is a lot of speculation and anecdotal evidence, this matter hit the legal world twice - once around 1993 which was settled out of court, and once again in 2004 when Michael Jackson was found Not Guilty.
Macauley Culkin [in the video above] was right about this point: if someone sexually abused your child, would you settle for some money? I'd want that person to go to jail.
And when the second matter actually did go to court, Jackson's guilt was not proven beyond a reasonable doubt. That's not an insignificant outcome.
One thing I heard in the news at the time is that if Jackson was truly guilty both times, he would have continued this pattern in the years between 1993 and 2004, because pedophiles don't just take decade-long breaks like that. So the implications there are very bad, if Jackson truly was guilty those two times.
It's important that we stand for fair trials for EVERYONE. Take that away, and we have dictatorship. But sometimes the court of public opinion is onto something, and Jackson having multiple accusers is suspicious to me.
So I can't be certain of Jackson's innocence...but I can't be certain of his guilt either. So I'm in the "Unsure/Undecided category if there was one - but I take insinuations of guilt very seriously, which is why I voted "was innocent".
Would you have let your young children sleep in same bed as him as you have him as innocent??
Yes or No.
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i voted innocent because i was unsure and give him the benefit of the doubt but i feel the parents are 100% guilty of negligence
Would you let your young children sleep in same bad as him if he is innocent
Yes or No
With you that parents are utter scumbags as much as MJ.
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If he's cuddling with little boys, but not touching them sexually then he'd be considered innocent right?
If he's cuddling with little boys, not touching them sexually, but disappearing into the bathroom to jerk off he'd be guilty.
No man who puts himself in the situations Jacko did can be considered innocent.
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If he's cuddling with little boys, but not touching them sexually then he'd be considered innocent right?
If he's cuddling with little boys, not touching them sexually, but disappearing into the bathroom to jerk off he'd be guilty.
No man who puts himself in the situations Jacko did can be considered innocent.
Clearly some here think he's innocent. WTF !!!
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Would you let your young children sleep in same bad as him if he is innocent
Yes or No
With you that parents are utter scumbags as much as MJ.
Obviously not. He is a freakshow number 1, and I feel children shouldn't sleep in bed with any adult
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Obviously not. He is a freakshow number 1, and I feel children shouldn't sleep in bed with any adult
Isn't that slightly contradictory to you saying he's innocent
If Innocent then you'd have nothing to be concerned about. 🤔
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The pervert is on video claiming the only plastic surgery he had was two nose-jobs and he turned white because of vitiligo, lol. Everything that came out of his mouth was bullshit. The police also found and absolute shit-load of gay and straight porn at his house, along with 'artistic' photos of naked minors. So much for being this innocent, asexual artist who only wanted to tuck kids in and feed them cookies. He was a drug-addicted pedo. Anyone who doesn't see that should never have kids.
Listen to the utter nonsense he spouts. It's scary to realise how many grown adults fall for it:
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Absolute kiddie fiddler. How's that jungle juice boys. Nasty fucker!
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Would you have let your young children sleep in same bed as him as you have him as innocent??
Yes or No.
No.
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Without question guilty.
The red flags were everywhere. Too numerous to list.
Musically a generational talent with songs that stand the test of time.
This type of abuse is cyclical. Rumors about Joe Sr abusing his daughters are widespread and LaToya went public with it years before Jacko’s first accusations came to light.
Watch Leaving Neverland if you’re still in doubt.
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parted this earth too long ago to even give it a thought.
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Probably guilty but 2 things make me wonder:
1) He was so open about being with kids in his home. Pedos try to conceal their activities rather than be so open.
2) $$$ People trying to get rich always makes me question their honesty.
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I vote guilty, but not for actually doing anything sexual with the kids, but rather guilty of making idiotic decisions to engage in activities that made him appear guilty of sexual misconduct.
A grown man who is not a chester-molester inviting children not his own to pajama parties and sleeping with them is purely stupid beyond belief.
MJ was out to lunch.
My thoughts too. He seemed very invested in this man-child persona which led to some highly questionable and ill advised behaviours but I don't think he actually diddled the kids.
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50 is an awkward age to die as a cultural icon
Too old to get the Die Young and Leave a Good Looking and Life and Talent Untainted corpse of so many young icons e.g.The 27 Club
Too young to get the All Is Forgiven Lifetime Legacy Nostalgia 2nd Wind of the golden years
Might punt Innocent, but that's more a hope than anything as the alternative is pretty grim
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No.
Ok.
Isn't that contradictory to you voting him innocent ?
if you believe he was Innocent why would you not let your children sleep in his Bed.
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Guilty 100%. Some kid described his penis and some spots to a tee. Then Michael settled with his family for $25 million They never went to trial.
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Guilty.
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Guilty 100%. Some kid described his penis and some spots to a tee. Then Michael settled with his family for $25 million They never went to trial.
25 million is a pretty good deal, is money what those people were after? Did they plan this? Very strange
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Guilty 100%. Some kid described his penis and some spots to a tee. Then Michael settled with his family for $25 million They never went to trial.
How was it described as? Thick, stubby, small, crooked, uncircumcised/circumcised, etc?? Did he leave it black or did he bleach his cock along with his skin?
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How was it described as? Thick, stubby, small, crooked, uncircumcised/circumcised, etc?? Did he leave it black or did he bleach his cock along with his skin?
Bro....
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How was it described as? Thick, stubby, small, crooked, uncircumcised/circumcised, etc?? Did he leave it black or did he bleach his cock along with his skin?
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