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Title: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Gym Rat on June 05, 2023, 09:26:10 AM
Iain "Calfless" Valliere wins the 2023 IFBB Toronto Pro.

That juiced midget camel jockey came in 2nd...
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Gregzs on June 06, 2023, 12:02:47 AM
Toronto Pro Supershow 2023 Results - Men's Bodybuilding Open

1. Iain Valliere*
2. Hassan Mostafa
3. Ross Flanigan
4. Robin Strand
5. Joe Seeman
6. Jason Lowe
7. Jang Min Lee
8. Slavoj Bednář
9. Mike Hulusi
10. Eiren Gauley
11. Sahar Kazes
12. Morgan MacDonald
13. Hossein Kalateh
14. Alex Audi

(https://kulturistika.ronnie.cz/img/data/clanky/normal/39417_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: French on June 06, 2023, 02:01:37 AM
Hassan is Hadi 2.0 and the best overall package ever.
They all look like kids next to him.
Ian had his pecs and calves amputated.
Not even in the Top 10 of a third tier show in a normal world.
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Rascal full on June 06, 2023, 03:16:37 AM
Ridiculous giving it to a guy that is completely missing a body part. Politics obviously once again.
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: 20inch calves on June 06, 2023, 02:51:40 PM
Iain "Calfless" Valliere wins the 2023 IFBB Toronto Pro.

That juiced midget camel jockey came in 2nd...

I believe he tore his calve. I did n it atrophied like his. The damage in one effects both...something happened to his chest as well
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: joswift on June 06, 2023, 02:54:31 PM
almost every guy at the Olympia in the 70s and early 80s had calves
You couldnt get past the World Champs and turn pro unless you had calves

They used to judge them

No calves should be scored down as a missing bodypart and they should never place above someone with a balanced physique
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Matt on June 06, 2023, 04:08:17 PM
5. Joe Seeman

Is he related to Ironage pornographer John Seeman?
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Gym Rat on June 06, 2023, 04:28:05 PM
Is he related to Ironage pornographer John Seeman?

His Dad is named "Tunza"...
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: oldschoolfan on June 06, 2023, 05:25:30 PM
Ian is a piece of shit Canadian piece of trash who let his wife take the fall for him and Chris bumsteads steroids they ordered through the mail
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Fortress on June 06, 2023, 07:52:34 PM
No idea who any of these guys are, with the exception of that sandnigger midget.
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Fortress on June 06, 2023, 07:53:18 PM
almost every guy at the Olympia in the 70s and early 80s had calves
You couldnt get past the World Champs and turn pro unless you had calves

They used to judge them

No calves should be scored down as a missing bodypart and they should never place above someone with a balanced physique

Entirely correct.
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Gregzs on June 06, 2023, 11:50:05 PM
Toronto Pro Supershow 2023 Results - Men's Bodybuilding 212 lbs

1. Piotr Borecki*
2. Jang Sung Yeop
3. Chris Buhr
4. Hwang Shin
5. Hon Ming Chun
6. Jordan Wise

(https://kulturistika.ronnie.cz/img/data/clanky/normal/39417_4.jpg)

Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: affeman on June 07, 2023, 12:01:10 AM
Iain "Calfless" Valliere wins the 2023 IFBB Toronto Pro.

That juiced midget camel jockey came in 2nd...

Nice gift for the local hero ::)

He's not just calfless, his chest is goin' full Scott Steiner/late Markus Ruhl mode now (due to nerve damage or accumulation of minor tears, whatever...). The guy should really give it up, his body is rebelling hard against the constant abuse.
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Humble Narcissist on June 07, 2023, 12:32:15 AM
Why bother to even train them if it won't effect your placing?
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: 20inch calves on June 07, 2023, 06:43:43 AM
Why bother to even train them if it won't effect your placing?

I'm sure he trains them but I doubt they will respond because the damage that's done to them...I know mine won't n I had crazy calves when I was younger. I have them up to 21.5 off-season
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: sway on June 07, 2023, 09:49:32 AM
It’s embarrassing that he won. Zero calves, missing tricep, torn chest, worst front double bicep in the show. By far the worst poser on the stage too,  can’t and won’t hit a proper ab & thigh pose, back is just melting away, etc. And then to insult us even more, the other pros and his friends defend him by saying that all the fans don’t know shit about bodybuilding and they “had to be there to really see”. Fuck open bodybuilding

Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: MAXX on June 07, 2023, 10:11:49 AM
His body has had enough. Only has so many miles on it before it starts breaking down. Especially at Pro bb level. Very short window of actually progression. Ramy is heading the same way. Hes just on a suicide mission now, continuing high gear dosages only to continue falling apart...
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: French on June 07, 2023, 10:18:14 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Fortress on June 07, 2023, 11:34:33 AM
His body has had enough. Only has so many miles on it before it starts breaking down. Especially at Pro bb level. Very short window of actually progression. Ramy is heading the same way. Hes just on a suicide mission now, continuing high gear dosages only to continue falling apart...

Rammer’s arms are WITHERING.

Check out his upper arms. Triceps in particular.

Poor Muzzie puke is on an “express elevator to hell” (points if you know the quote).
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: affeman on June 07, 2023, 12:24:15 PM
It’s embarrassing that he won. Zero calves, missing tricep, torn chest, worst front double bicep in the show. By far the worst poser on the stage too,  can’t and won’t hit a proper ab & thigh pose, back is just melting away, etc. And then to insult us even more, the other pros and his friends defend him by saying that all the fans don’t know shit about bodybuilding and they “had to be there to really see”. Fuck open bodybuilding

 :-X :-X
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Dalnet on June 07, 2023, 12:26:41 PM
almost every guy at the Olympia in the 70s and early 80s had calves
You couldnt get past the World Champs and turn pro unless you had calves

They used to judge them

No calves should be scored down as a missing bodypart and they should never place above someone with a balanced physique

So true. It's great to see the diamonds on a competitor and it just looks like meat on a stick to see blown up quads with nothing to balance them either side. I think that upper legs and delts are the only thing that has 'evolved' and every other bodypart seems to be melting away the past 20 years.
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: wes on June 07, 2023, 12:29:29 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=685540.0;attach=1444992;image)

WTF ???

No way should he have won.....I know it`s an injury ??? but it looks horrendous.
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Dalnet on June 07, 2023, 12:31:55 PM
Ian is a piece of shit Canadian piece of trash who let his wife take the fall for him and Chris bumsteads steroids they ordered through the mail

Bodybuilder equivalent to taking some speed camera points.
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: mops on June 07, 2023, 12:40:52 PM
So true. It's great to see the diamonds on a competitor

Old school bb even used to hit a few calf raises from the back to properly show off that bodypart during their routine
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Fortress on June 07, 2023, 12:50:51 PM
That winner is a travesty.

His chest is GONE.

Like a ray gun was fired directly at it.
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Sandrock on June 07, 2023, 01:18:45 PM
I've never seen such asymmetrical pecs.  Even guys born with one sternal pec missing look better than that guy.  When he hits the front double bi his pecs are so, so thin.  Brutally crooked shoulders in the front lat spread.  Bizarre swayback posture in the back double bicep.  Obvious lumbar curvature.  Every other guy on stage is better than the winner in every pose.  This has to be the worst contest judging ever, even worse than Franco in 81(who at least had extreme muscular density in his torso and incredible pecs and back).  Other "controversial" shows at least the winner had SOMETHING going for them.   This guy has nothing going for him over his competitors in any pose.  It's not like he's dominating from the back or something, his rear lat spread is quite poor compared to the other guys on stage.
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: _bruce_ on June 07, 2023, 08:57:13 PM
His body has had enough. Only has so many miles on it before it starts breaking down. Especially at Pro bb level. Very short window of actually progression. Ramy is heading the same way. Hes just on a suicide mission now, continuing high gear dosages only to continue falling apart...

 :D
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Coach is Back! on June 07, 2023, 09:12:03 PM
I was just on Mostafa’s IG I can’t understand how he lost. Dude is damn near flawless. I saw him in 21’ At Dragons Lair in Vegas and he was freaky. Can’t understand this loss and I’m a judge. He wasn’t quite as conditioned but still not that far off for a loss

https://www.instagram.com/p/CtMT-RlulB9/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: AbrahamG on June 07, 2023, 09:12:52 PM
No idea who any of these guys are, with the exception of that sandnigger midget.

Lovely.   ;D

Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Bevo on June 07, 2023, 11:36:34 PM
There’s a bbing show going on?
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: The Keto Kid on June 07, 2023, 11:55:21 PM
Ian will place out of the top 10 at this year's Olympia, his physique will continue to deteriorate regardless of stem cells or whatever else he'll try, he's got some serious issues going on.
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: affeman on June 08, 2023, 12:04:25 AM
Ian will place out of the top 10 at this year's Olympia, his physique will continue to deteriorate regardless of stem cells or whatever else he'll try, he's got some serious issues going on.

Sad, the guy is only 32 years old and already a complete trainwreck.
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: BigRo on June 08, 2023, 12:38:37 AM
almost every guy at the Olympia in the 70s and early 80s had calves
You couldnt get past the World Champs and turn pro unless you had calves

They used to judge them

No calves should be scored down as a missing bodypart and they should never place above someone with a balanced physique

Yes.
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: affeman on June 08, 2023, 12:40:29 AM
almost every guy at the Olympia in the 70s and early 80s had calves
You couldnt get past the World Champs and turn pro unless you had calves

They used to judge them

No calves should be scored down as a missing bodypart and they should never place above someone with a balanced physique

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/69/66/1d/69661d5751d5d4731be90b9d4110ca4e.jpg)
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: affeman on June 08, 2023, 12:43:03 AM
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/69/66/1d/69661d5751d5d4731be90b9d4110ca4e.jpg)

 :'( :'(

(https://contests.npcnewsonline.com/images/contests/2569/large/12843478.jpg)
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Vince B on June 08, 2023, 01:16:12 AM
Looks like Hankins on the left pec!
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: MAXX on June 08, 2023, 01:24:06 AM
Its like watching the last competetive years of Ronnie Coleman. Denial and delusions for a while the reality of the state just becomes overbearing. These guys lives revolve around BB and there is no plan B sadly.
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Humble Narcissist on June 08, 2023, 03:34:44 AM
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/69/66/1d/69661d5751d5d4731be90b9d4110ca4e.jpg)
:o Who is #2?
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Vince B on June 08, 2023, 04:13:22 AM
:o Who is #2?

Tom Platz.
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Dalnet on June 08, 2023, 04:32:27 AM
I've never seen such asymmetrical pecs.  Even guys born with one sternal pec missing look better than that guy.  When he hits the front double bi his pecs are so, so thin.  Brutally crooked shoulders in the front lat spread.  Bizarre swayback posture in the back double bicep.  Obvious lumbar curvature.  Every other guy on stage is better than the winner in every pose.  This has to be the worst contest judging ever, even worse than Franco in 81(who at least had extreme muscular density in his torso and incredible pecs and back).  Other "controversial" shows at least the winner had SOMETHING going for them.   This guy has nothing going for him over his competitors in any pose.  It's not like he's dominating from the back or something, his rear lat spread is quite poor compared to the other guys on stage.

Very true. There's no redeeming features that outshine others. This ain't no 1997 nasser v yates situation, that's for sure. LOL
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Dalnet on June 08, 2023, 04:36:53 AM
Sad, the guy is only 32 years old and already a complete trainwreck.

He's 32? Had no idea he was that young. Yeah - he's fucking done. LOL. I hope he made some dollar and investments as I think he's been around for a while, now. At least a decade, right? Time to throw it in.
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: The Keto Kid on June 08, 2023, 06:53:49 AM
Sad, the guy is only 32 years old and already a complete trainwreck.
32 but guys been gassing since 18, he's been competing over 10 years, that's a ton of mileage on that body.
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Taffin on June 08, 2023, 08:28:47 AM
I was just on Mostafa’s IG I can’t understand how he lost. Dude is damn near flawless. I saw him in 21’ At Dragons Lair in Vegas and he was freaky. Can’t understand this loss and I’m a judge. He wasn’t quite as conditioned but still not that far off for a loss

https://www.instagram.com/p/CtMT-RlulB9/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

I agree 💯
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Gregzs on June 08, 2023, 11:50:10 PM
Toronto Pro Supershow 2023 results - classic physique

1. Samuel Paquin*
2. Carl Gauthier
3. Gregory Dawson
4. Edgard John-Augustin
5. Maurice Burgess
6. Tyler Okowinsky
7. Ali Emre
8. Mojtaba Zabihi
9. Josue Cortes Vargas
10. Dimitri Williams
11. Farzad Ghotbi
12. Shane Makan

(https://www2.ronnie.cz/_img/_data/clanky/foto/0039417/ronnie-cz-8463dc.jpg)

Toronto Pro Supershow 2023 Results - Men's physique

1. Mehdi Kabbadj*
2. Rodrigue Chesnier
3. Bhuwan Chauhan
4. Julian Colley
5. Gary Cooper
6. Mario Stewart
7. Daniel Rabiela
8. Jarrett Jenkins
9. Austin Belanger
10. Francisco Alberto De La Cruz
11. Rory Gissing
12. Serge Victor
13. Jamie Offrey
14. Clarence Lau
15. Jason Alan Robinson

(https://www2.ronnie.cz/_img/_data/clanky/foto/0039417/ronnie-cz-8d079e.jpg)

Toronto Pro Supershow 2023 Results - Wheelchair Bodybuilding

1. MohamadReza Tabrizi Nouri*
2. Tim Caldwell
3. Jason Metcalf
4. Bryan Williams
5. Jack McCann

(https://www2.ronnie.cz/_img/_data/clanky/foto/0039417/ronnie-cz-5464f0.jpg)

Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Skeletor on June 09, 2023, 12:03:40 AM
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/69/66/1d/69661d5751d5d4731be90b9d4110ca4e.jpg)

(https://www2.ronnie.cz/_img/_data/clanky/foto/0036576/ronnie-cz-3c09a6.jpg)
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Humble Narcissist on June 09, 2023, 01:02:38 AM
Tom Platz.
It is baffling that he didn't win the Olympia.
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: thebrink on June 09, 2023, 01:16:45 PM
almost every guy at the Olympia in the 70s and early 80s had calves
You couldnt get past the World Champs and turn pro unless you had calves

They used to judge them

No calves should be scored down as a missing bodypart and they should never place above someone with a balanced physique

So true
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: illuminati on June 09, 2023, 01:34:53 PM
It is baffling that he didn't win the Olympia.

Yes agree
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Rascal full on June 09, 2023, 01:48:13 PM
The guys in the wheelchair division had better calves than Valliere.
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Randomum on June 09, 2023, 02:43:26 PM
The guys in the wheelchair division had better calves than Valliere.

Am I an asshole for thinking the same thing?
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Skeletor on June 09, 2023, 03:14:29 PM
It is baffling that he didn't win the Olympia.

Platz should've won in 1981.
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Matt on June 09, 2023, 03:42:46 PM
The guys in the wheelchair division had better calves than Valliere.

Am I an asshole for thinking the same thing?

 ;D

I haven't even looked at those pics yet, but hahahaha.  ;D

It just goes to show how strongly genetic calves growth is...or the wheelchair competitor got his training in before the crash.
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: MAXX on June 10, 2023, 12:00:37 PM
;D

I haven't even looked at those pics yet, but hahahaha.  ;D

It just goes to show how strongly genetic calves growth is...or the wheelchair competitor got his training in before the crash.
Its not in his genetics to have shitty calves. Look at his pics from 2015.big full calves, low insert x-mas tree and full pecs.

Personally I think its nerve damage from a compressed disc affecting his nerve to those areas,, but I could be wrong in that. Some say its just tears..

Adding to this post, Dennis Wolf And Ahmad Haidar had the same thing happen late career, that is calves and lats gone

https://www.muscleandfitness.com/flexonline/ifbb/dennis-wolf-open-bodybuilding-2018-arnold-classic/
Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: On_Swole on June 10, 2023, 12:10:28 PM
42 years ago, 5th place @ Mr Olympia

Title: Re: Toronto Pro 2023
Post by: Rascal full on June 13, 2023, 02:48:37 PM
Am I an asshole for thinking the same thing?

No my friend because it is true!